| claydoh | the purple grub clashes, imnsho. blank would be better than that for kubuntu's coilors | 00:30 |
|---|---|---|
| claydoh | s/blank/black | 00:30 |
| ScottK | Agreed. | 00:34 |
| GrueMaster | Riddell: natty-preinstalled-mobile-armel+omap.img is not a working image. It appears to just be a rootfs without the boot partition. | 00:57 |
| GrueMaster | I can graft it to an existing image for testing, but I don't know if it is worth a respin. | 00:57 |
| rbelem | ScottK, i notice that a dependency is missing in plasma-mobile | 01:17 |
| rbelem | ScottK, plasma-widgets-workspace | 01:17 |
| rbelem | Riddell, ^ | 01:17 |
| rbelem | could you add that? :-) | 01:18 |
| GrueMaster | Looks like Kubuntu Mobile armel+omap4 is a failure also. | 01:30 |
| rbelem | :( | 01:32 |
| rbelem | ah! | 01:33 |
| rbelem | GrueMaster, i think this is proposital | 01:33 |
| GrueMaster | ? | 01:34 |
| rbelem | GrueMaster, you have to follow these instructions https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/n900 | 01:34 |
| rbelem | GrueMaster, just part of that, in fact | 01:34 |
| GrueMaster | Oh, I get it. You guys are only posting a rootfs instead of the whole image. | 01:35 |
| rbelem | yup :-) | 01:35 |
| rbelem | GrueMaster, i forgot that, sorry :-) | 01:36 |
| GrueMaster | ok. Kind of a pita, but I can see that. | 01:36 |
| GrueMaster | Someone should add this link to the iso.qa.ubuntu.com test procedures. | 01:37 |
| GrueMaster | You could easily make integration packages for beagle & panda by taking the boot sector from the kubuntu desktop preinstalled images. | 01:38 |
| ScottK | rbelem: Fixing. | 01:51 |
| GrueMaster | rbelem: Ok, what is the secret to actually booting this mobile image after oem-config runs? | 02:07 |
| GrueMaster | It just dumps me at a text console. | 02:07 |
| ScottK | rbelem or Riddell^^^ | 02:18 |
| rbelem | GrueMaster, hum... i will check whats wrong :-( | 02:29 |
| GrueMaster | It would be much easier if the img file is a complete filesystem (similar to kubuntu-desktop & ubuntu-netbook). Then you could just overwrite the boot partion with the needed bits for n900 or what ever. | 02:30 |
| rbelem | brb | 02:33 |
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| GrueMaster | Looks like NODM_ENABLED is false in /etc/default/nodm | 02:51 |
| NCommander | ScottK: Riddell: I thought Kubuntu-Mobile was for N900 only. | 02:58 |
| ScottK | No. | 02:58 |
| ScottK | It should work on any armel device we build for. | 02:59 |
| NCommander | ScottK: it might run, but the demos of it I saw were for a touchscreen device running on the N900. I'm not sure testing it on non-target hardware will give valid test results. | 03:00 |
| NCommander | What is needed is people with N900s | 03:00 |
| ScottK | That's certainly where the focus is. | 03:01 |
| NCommander | ScottK: looking at these instructions, I don't tihnk a non-N900 boot enviroinment would even work. The N900 RAMdisk + bootloader do strange and unusual tihngs last time I looked at it | 03:06 |
| ScottK | OK. | 03:06 |
| GrueMaster | ScottK: One issue is the way the images are currently being built. These images are in no way usable as a preinstalled image if they do not contain a boot method (these do not have a boot partition currently). That alone causes me to mark as fail for beta release. | 03:06 |
| ScottK | OK. | 03:06 |
| ScottK | rbelem and apachelogger are the ones who have been following it the most closely. | 03:07 |
| GrueMaster | I have managed to flash it over the rootfs image for kubuntu-desktop, but it still fails to launch anything after oem-config runs it's course. | 03:07 |
| NCommander | ScottK: apachelogger: I suspect the best thing that can be done is discuss with the release team, and understand that those of us without N900s ar eprobably useless w.r.t. to testing kubuntu-mobile. | 03:09 |
| ScottK | OK. | 03:13 |
| ScottK | apachelogger and rbelem both have n900's to test with. | 03:14 |
| ScottK | I gave mine away to someone so they could produce the kernel. | 03:14 |
| NCommander | ScottK: getting good test results on the N900 will help | 03:15 |
| GrueMaster | I'm looking at the n900 integration package (which should be in a ppa to make installation easier), and I see nothing in there that would prevent the mobile image from working on other platforms. | 04:15 |
| GrueMaster | I.e. nothing that that deb package does to enable anything non-n900 specific. | 04:16 |
| rbelem | i will check right now X is not starting | 04:19 |
| rbelem | *why | 04:19 |
| GrueMaster | That was easy. /etc/default/nodm NODM_ENABLE=false is killing it from starting. | 04:20 |
| GrueMaster | I'm reviewing the wiki that you linked me to and looking for something that doesn't directly relate to n900 hardware. So far nothing there. | 04:22 |
| rbelem | kubuntu-mobile-default settings should set that to true | 04:22 |
| GrueMaster | From what I can tell, I "should" be able to flash natty-preinstalled-desktop-armel+omap4.img.gz to an SD card, sudo partprobe <SD card> to update partition table, then flash natty-preinstalled-mobile-armel+omap4.img.gz over the ext3 partition. | 04:25 |
| GrueMaster | Doing that, I can boot and go through oem-config no problem. | 04:25 |
| GrueMaster | Or should I manually disable oem-config? | 04:25 |
| rbelem | nice | 04:25 |
| rbelem | i think wew can go with oem-config | 04:26 |
| rbelem | i'm testing i386 install now | 04:28 |
| rbelem | i had to call ubiquity manually | 04:29 |
| rbelem | Riddell, can we change the image to come with ubuntu user predefined and remove oem-config? | 05:16 |
| GrueMaster | Pretty hard to do that. | 05:20 |
| GrueMaster | What are you seeing? | 05:20 |
| GrueMaster | Another thing I found from the wiki: Remove everything from /usr/share/autostart other than plasma-mobile but plasma-mobile isn't there. | 05:21 |
| GrueMaster | Got it! Lots of issues need to be fixed to make this work. Need to fix /etc/default/nodm and need plasma-mobile.desktop in /usr/share/autostart. Will file a bug appropriately against kubuntu-mobile-default settings. | 05:31 |
| rbelem | GrueMaster, oki | 05:32 |
| rbelem | GrueMaster, do you know how ubiquity works? how could i make it update the /etc/default/nodm? | 05:33 |
| ScottK | rbelem: I thought we fixed that? | 05:36 |
| GrueMaster | Not sure on that one. | 05:39 |
| GrueMaster | I thought you would have had that in the nodm package. | 05:39 |
| GrueMaster | Or the kubuntu-mobile-default-settings. | 05:40 |
| * ScottK thinks it's in the latter. | 05:41 | |
| rbelem | ScottK, it is just installing the nodm defaults with the ubuntu user set. It would be nice if we get the user from ubiquity | 05:42 |
| ScottK | Why? | 05:42 |
| GrueMaster | Why does nodm need to run as the user? | 05:43 |
| rbelem | ops... from oem-config, sorry | 05:43 |
| rbelem | GrueMaster, it can use the ubuntu user | 05:45 |
| GrueMaster | Ok, I read the dev page for nodm and understand it's purpose. It is designed to run as root or a predefined user. What you should look at is to see how it can be rebuilt to use the user & autologin setting from oem-config. | 05:48 |
| rbelem | yup | 05:48 |
| GrueMaster | I'm lookgint at the code behind kubuntu-mobile-default-settings and NODM_ENABLED=true there. Must be getting overwritten by the nodm package. | 05:56 |
| GrueMaster | Aha. kubuntu-mobile-default-settings is not installed. | 05:58 |
| GrueMaster | er, there is no /etc/default/nodm in the package. | 05:58 |
| rbelem | GrueMaster, we can put these in kubuntu-mobile-default-settings postinst script | 06:03 |
| rbelem | GrueMaster, but i dont know yet how to get the user created by oem-config | 06:04 |
| rbelem | GrueMaster, is there a way to add a script that oem-config will call? | 06:08 |
| NCommander | rbelem: Without knowing TOO much about when nodm runs, the user created by oem-config will always havge an id of 1000:1000 | 06:08 |
| GrueMaster | Not sure. Need to ask cjwatson or someone who knows oem-config. | 06:09 |
| NCommander | if you need the user before oem-config is done running, I believe it can also be retrieved from debconf database but thats an unstable API | 06:09 |
| GrueMaster | NCommander: We need oem-config to configure /etc/default/nodm | 06:10 |
| * NCommander is grabbing nodm so I can see what it is specifically | 06:11 | |
| NCommander | I'm reminded of what we were doing with Ubuntu-MID | 06:13 |
| NCommander | rbelem: its possible to predefine the username and password of the initial user by preseeding it and then changing the image build to ship with the preseed built right in | 06:15 |
| rbelem | NCommander, cool :-) now we have this option if we fail to find how to change the /etc/default/nodm after oem-config | 06:19 |
| NCommander | rbelem: I do know it can be done, we did something very similar with the MID image but the details escape me. It might be easier to patch nodm to take a UID, then hardcode in 1000 | 06:20 |
| rbelem | GrueMaster, NCommander, i think i found usr/lib/ubiquity/ | 06:32 |
| GrueMaster | I asked about the ubuntu mid. Turns out we just used gdm. | 06:34 |
| rbelem | we need to create a dir and add a script finish-install | 06:34 |
| rbelem | that will update the /etc/default/nodm | 06:34 |
| GrueMaster | Seems easy enough. | 06:35 |
| rbelem | i got that in the eom-config's debian/rules | 06:35 |
| GrueMaster | I'm still trying to figure out where /etc/default/nodm comes from. | 06:36 |
| rbelem | i think it is generated | 06:39 |
| rbelem | iḿ going to bed | 06:39 |
| rbelem | it is 01:40 am | 06:39 |
| rbelem | bye | 06:40 |
| GrueMaster | night. | 06:52 |
| Quintasan_ | Riddell, ScottK: I get 8 removals when trying to upgrade to KDE 4.6.2 on Maverick -> http://i.imgur.com/jIXRW.png | 08:02 |
| Quintasan_ | oh wait | 08:02 |
| Quintasan_ | but it's 4.5.5 which needs testing? | 08:02 |
| Quintasan_ | Then I will switch repos | 08:02 |
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| bambee | morning | 08:06 |
| Quintasan | bambee: \o | 08:06 |
| jussi | Hrm, is there a reason we havent packaged this? (at least I cant find it in the repos?) https://launchpad.net/openobject-client-kde | 08:42 |
| Tm_T | jussi: other than noone has packaged it or there hasn't been presented any need for it? | 08:44 |
| jussi | Tm_T: other than those | 08:44 |
| Tm_T | not that I know (: | 08:45 |
| Tm_T | jussi: does the deb package they provides work? | 08:45 |
| jussi | no | 08:53 |
| jussi | oh, it needs a earlier version of python :/ | 08:54 |
| jussi | can I have 2 pythons at the same time? | 08:54 |
| jussi | http://paste.ubuntu.com/593907/ | 08:55 |
| jussi | (we have the GTK client in the repos, just not the kde one) | 08:55 |
| Tm_T | hmm, that kind of dependencies... cannot remember, sorry | 09:09 |
| jussi | also, is it now too late to grab a package from debian? (Im guessing it is...) | 09:13 |
| jussi | http://packages.debian.org/sid/openerp-web | 09:13 |
| Tm_T | for universe? | 09:13 |
| jussi | yeah | 09:14 |
| Tm_T | can't see why it couldn't be introduced, but you might like to ask in -motu to be sure | 09:14 |
| c2tarun | If I want to create a plasmoid that can access my Facebook account and tell me my updates, I know a bit how to create plasmoid, where can I know the code of accessing facebook? | 09:52 |
| bambee | c2tarun: use the "facebook" plasmoid :P | 09:57 |
| bambee | If you want to create a plasmoid like that, look at qtwebkit (qwebview) | 09:58 |
| c2tarun | bambee: its in python + I want to know how to access fb or gmail by code :/ | 09:58 |
| c2tarun | bambee: Qtwebkit will do that? | 10:00 |
| bambee | c2tarun: pyqt4 contains a qwebview widget :) | 10:01 |
| bambee | ask on #kde-devel | 10:01 |
| c2tarun | bambee: what is pyqt4? | 10:01 |
| c2tarun | !pyqt4 | 10:01 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about pyqt4 | 10:01 |
| bambee | pyqt4 == Qt4 python binding | 10:02 |
| bambee | (Qt4 in python) | 10:02 |
| bambee | ask on #kde-devel and look at techbase | 10:02 |
| Tm_T | rather, ask in #plasma | 10:02 |
| bambee | Tm_T is right, ask in #plasma instead | 10:03 |
| c2tarun | sure I'll ask in plasma :) just one last thing, can I create plasmoid in Qt4/C++ because I dont know python | 10:04 |
| c2tarun | bambee: ^^ | 10:04 |
| Tm_T | yes | 10:04 |
| bambee | c2tarun: see also harald's session ("Widgetcraft: The Art of Creating Plasma Widgets") | 10:07 |
| c2tarun | bambee: I attended that :) | 10:08 |
| bambee | he explained that you can create a plasmoid in C++, javascript, qml, ruby and python | 10:10 |
| Tm_T | or use webwidget and then use html+css or anything | 10:11 |
| c2tarun | bambee: yup, I just got confused because you said pyqt4 :) | 10:11 |
| bambee | ok | 10:11 |
| allee | ScottK: brown paper bag bug #688518 Same for natty (2 line offset) | 10:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 688518 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu Maverick) "SRU? bashism in startkde" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/688518 | 10:56 |
| allee | Also: with maverick-proposed and kdm autologin when I logout the session, I get no kdmgreeter but end up on linux console. No idea if this is a regression. Didn't try before I installed proposed. | 10:58 |
| ScottK | allee: That would be important to know. Can you revert to the released one and see? I'll update the package. | 12:00 |
| Riddell | did we work out if our ARM images were at all useful? | 12:09 |
| allee | ScottK: I'll try. | 12:11 |
| allee | ScottK: No regresion. It's the virtualbox xdriver. After I build the vbox guest utils and restarted X, the xserver SEGV on logout. service kdm reload -> and X starts again. I wonder why kdm does not do the restart try automaticly. At least at startup kdm tries 3 times AFAIR before fail-save is aktivated. | 12:57 |
| allee | ScottK: will/can you also $1 -> "$1" in upstream kdebase 4.6-branch + master? | 12:58 |
| jussi | shadeslayer: up still ? | 13:48 |
| shadeslayer | jussi: yes .. ssup | 13:49 |
| bambee | Riddell: do you know good python projects on upstream for which it would be interesting to get involved ? | 14:11 |
| Riddell | bambee: system-config-printer-kde :) | 14:11 |
| bambee | mhhh... I look at it | 14:13 |
| Riddell | bambee: the only notable upstream KDE projecting using python are system-config-printer-kde (which needs synced with system-config-printer from gnome and UI reimplemented to the design we had done), printer-applet (which is ok but could be made more pretty in my opinion) and a game in kdegames | 14:16 |
| bambee | Riddell: mhhh sounds interesting :) | 14:17 |
| bambee | I want to contribute to KDE so I thought to kwin and a python project, system-config-printer* looks a good candidate | 14:19 |
| bambee | Riddell: when you say "to the design we had done", which design are you talking about ? | 14:39 |
| Riddell | bambee: see kubuntu_printer_configuration.pdf in the sources | 14:50 |
| bambee | ok | 14:51 |
| bambee | looks nice | 14:55 |
| Riddell | dpm: what's the deadline for translations to get into 11.04? | 15:37 |
| Riddell | DarkwingDuck: ping... | 15:37 |
| dpm | Riddell, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule <- for those in langpacks, the 21st, for those not in langpacks (i.e. kubuntu-docs) today | 15:39 |
| Riddell | thanks dpm | 15:41 |
| alvin | Where can I find someone to test a KDE issue on Natty? (very simple test). I reported a bug and want to know whether to report it upstream too, or leave it on Launchpad. | 15:42 |
| alvin | It's bug 760632. Test by resizing a konsole window. | 15:42 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 760632 in kdebase (Ubuntu) "Resizing Konsole crashes the whole system" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/760632 | 15:42 |
| alvin | (save your documents first) | 15:42 |
| shadeslayer | alvin: i had this bug | 15:43 |
| alvin | I can't help resizing the konsole. Apparantly it's a habit. Crashed +10 times today. | 15:43 |
| shadeslayer | alvin: yep still happens | 15:51 |
| ScottK | allee: I don't have upstream access. You need to talk to Riddell or apachelogger probably. | 15:54 |
| ScottK | allee: Thanks for checking | 15:54 |
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| allee | ScottK: Okay | 16:05 |
| Riddell | bambee: oh userconfig is a Kubuntu tool which would benefit from going upstream and replacing kuser | 16:35 |
| bambee | Riddell: in kdeadmin package ? | 16:35 |
| Riddell | bambee: that's where it should go yes | 16:36 |
| bambee | there are nice tools in kdeadmin... :) | 16:36 |
| bambee | Riddell: I can help for kdeadmin and kwin , I think :) | 17:33 |
| bambee | what are the steps when a package goes upstream, btw ? (typically userconfig) | 17:36 |
| Riddell | bambee: contact the module maintainer for general approval, put it into kdereview, announce on kde-core-devel, wait for any complaints, if none move it into module in a couple of weeks | 17:38 |
| ScottK | ryanakca: Will you be around if we need the Beta 2 announcement put up on kubuntu.org? | 17:40 |
| DarkwingDuck | Riddell: pong... | 17:52 |
| Riddell | DarkwingDuck: ah, how are docs doing? | 17:52 |
| Riddell | bah, time to go out for a few hours | 17:54 |
| GrueMaster | rbelem: On the kubuntu-mobile images, the instructions you have for n900 are to create a 3 partition image (fat, ext3, swap) and overwrite the ext3 partition with the kubuntu-mobile image. Would it be easier to just keep the kubuntu-mobile image teh same as the kubuntu-desktop (prepartitioned with boot & ext3), and just overlay the boot partition with the n900 bootloader? It would make testing easier, as anyone with an omap3/4 platform | 18:04 |
| GrueMaster | would be able to test. | 18:04 |
| GrueMaster | Also, for Oneric we are going to have a session on generic soc platform images & hw overlay support. | 18:05 |
| DarkwingDuck | Riddell: the docs, i have to check with nixteral about the build and ill double check everything else | 18:14 |
| DarkwingDuck | Riddell: i think all i have is about and welcome to combine into one doc | 18:14 |
| rbelem | GrueMaster, i think the same way. we need to make this easier | 18:29 |
| rbelem | ScottK, GrueMaster, i will ping cjwatson about oem-config | 18:30 |
| ScottK | OK. | 18:30 |
| bambee | Riddell: userconfig should be ported to kauth, we also need to finalize the ldap backend which is still experimental (I can help for that) | 18:54 |
| bambee | imho | 18:55 |
| ScottK | bambee: I'd say go for it. | 19:19 |
| ScottK | allee: Fixed -workspace should be in the archive for maverick-proposed. I'd appreciate it if you would retest and comment in the bugs about how it goes. | 19:24 |
| bambee | ScottK: oh sure, my comment was just to give my point of view to Jonathan :) (I hope it has not been misinterpreted) | 19:25 |
| ScottK | I wasn't sure if you were waiting on someone to tell you to go ahead or not. | 19:25 |
| bambee | I were not, but thanks anyway :) | 19:26 |
| apachelogger | ScottK, allee: whut? | 19:40 |
| Riddell | bambee: yes I agree on those | 20:41 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I didn't see a release announcement yet, but I'm sure it's close. | 20:41 |
| Riddell | so close I can feel it in the air! | 20:42 |
| ScottK | :-) | 20:42 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Beta 2 is announced. | 21:34 |
| === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | Lots to do https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | beta 2 bugs http://goo.gl/HbXHe | Add specs to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/UDS-O | Maverick KDE SC 4.5.5 testing: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/757065 | ||
| savpether | hello | 21:49 |
| Riddell | kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-natty-beta-2 | 21:51 |
| Riddell | bit sparse | 21:51 |
| Riddell | hello savpether | 21:51 |
| savpether | i made something for new kubuntu 11.04 | 21:51 |
| savpether | i made kdm theme, special for kubuntu | 21:52 |
| savpether | this is link: http://www.sendspace.pl/file/f9e2b6a39e6031ac09c7c62 | 21:52 |
| savpether | and this is screenshot: http://www.imghost.pl/?id=9b50cb79d7 | 21:52 |
| savpether | if you want, you could add this as default to kubuntu 11.04 :) | 21:53 |
| Riddell | I'm afraid it's too late for any artwork changes for 11.04 | 21:54 |
| Riddell | and we tend to stick with upstream artwork anyway | 21:54 |
| Riddell | savpether: but if you're an artist a banner for beta 2 would be lovely | 21:54 |
| savpether | i think this theme is better than theme from upstream, i remove user field and user have to just choose nick and put the password, i know but in my opinion kubuntu need something new, something suprise.. :) I can support this theme for next releases and fix the bugs i test this theme on five resolutions and all work fine | 21:56 |
| savpether | if you dont want add this in 11.04, you could also add this in 11.10 | 21:57 |
| savpether | for creat this theme i use only elements from horos theme and my theme based on horos | 21:58 |
| neversfelde | savpether: ever thought so send it upstream KDE? | 22:01 |
| neversfelde | they probably like it and all distros will benefit | 22:02 |
| savpether | if i send it upstream kde i will have to change font to sand from ubuntu and change logo icon so i can make kde version od this theme and send to upstream, but i would like to see kubuntu version of this theme as default:) | 22:05 |
| savpether | as default in kubuntu*, ok so if you wouldn't add this theme i send it on kde-look.org but in my opinion kubuntu needs something special. | 22:07 |
| ScottK | savpether: It's far too late in the release cycle for us to be considering such changes. | 22:07 |
| neversfelde | savpether: as Riddell said, we stick with upstream artwork, no plans to change it | 22:08 |
| savpether | if not in 11.04, you could also add this in 11.10 | 22:09 |
| savpether | neversfelde: i think its mistake, community ready for help and make some special for kubuntu but you dont want, i have question - why? | 22:09 |
| neversfelde | savpether: Kubuntu 11.10 will be discussed on next UDS, for this release it is far too late as ScottK said | 22:11 |
| neversfelde | please join the discussion and introduce your work | 22:12 |
| ScottK | I think it's something we can discuss for 11.10. | 22:13 |
| savpether | i hope so :) thanks guys and good night | 22:14 |
| stikonas | there is a typo in Kubuntu beta 2 release notes: "easier natty narwhal no release candidateto use interface" instead of "easier to use interface" | 23:31 |
| ScottK | ryanakca: ^^^ | 23:36 |
| valorie | looks like a copy/paste error -- they are so sneaky! | 23:42 |
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