[00:30] the purple grub clashes, imnsho. blank would be better than that for kubuntu's coilors [00:30] s/blank/black [00:34] Agreed. [00:57] Riddell: natty-preinstalled-mobile-armel+omap.img is not a working image. It appears to just be a rootfs without the boot partition. [00:57] I can graft it to an existing image for testing, but I don't know if it is worth a respin. [01:17] ScottK, i notice that a dependency is missing in plasma-mobile [01:17] ScottK, plasma-widgets-workspace [01:17] Riddell, ^ [01:18] could you add that? :-) [01:30] Looks like Kubuntu Mobile armel+omap4 is a failure also. [01:32] :( [01:33] ah! [01:33] GrueMaster, i think this is proposital [01:34] ? [01:34] GrueMaster, you have to follow these instructions https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/n900 [01:34] GrueMaster, just part of that, in fact [01:35] Oh, I get it. You guys are only posting a rootfs instead of the whole image. [01:35] yup :-) [01:36] GrueMaster, i forgot that, sorry :-) [01:36] ok. Kind of a pita, but I can see that. [01:37] Someone should add this link to the iso.qa.ubuntu.com test procedures. [01:38] You could easily make integration packages for beagle & panda by taking the boot sector from the kubuntu desktop preinstalled images. [01:51] rbelem: Fixing. [02:07] rbelem: Ok, what is the secret to actually booting this mobile image after oem-config runs? [02:07] It just dumps me at a text console. [02:18] rbelem or Riddell^^^ [02:29] GrueMaster, hum... i will check whats wrong :-( [02:30] It would be much easier if the img file is a complete filesystem (similar to kubuntu-desktop & ubuntu-netbook). Then you could just overwrite the boot partion with the needed bits for n900 or what ever. [02:33] brb === yofel_ is now known as yofel [02:51] Looks like NODM_ENABLED is false in /etc/default/nodm [02:58] ScottK: Riddell: I thought Kubuntu-Mobile was for N900 only. [02:58] No. [02:59] It should work on any armel device we build for. [03:00] ScottK: it might run, but the demos of it I saw were for a touchscreen device running on the N900. I'm not sure testing it on non-target hardware will give valid test results. [03:00] What is needed is people with N900s [03:01] That's certainly where the focus is. [03:06] ScottK: looking at these instructions, I don't tihnk a non-N900 boot enviroinment would even work. The N900 RAMdisk + bootloader do strange and unusual tihngs last time I looked at it [03:06] OK. [03:06] ScottK: One issue is the way the images are currently being built. These images are in no way usable as a preinstalled image if they do not contain a boot method (these do not have a boot partition currently). That alone causes me to mark as fail for beta release. [03:06] OK. [03:07] rbelem and apachelogger are the ones who have been following it the most closely. [03:07] I have managed to flash it over the rootfs image for kubuntu-desktop, but it still fails to launch anything after oem-config runs it's course. [03:09] ScottK: apachelogger: I suspect the best thing that can be done is discuss with the release team, and understand that those of us without N900s ar eprobably useless w.r.t. to testing kubuntu-mobile. [03:13] OK. [03:14] apachelogger and rbelem both have n900's to test with. [03:14] I gave mine away to someone so they could produce the kernel. [03:15] ScottK: getting good test results on the N900 will help [04:15] I'm looking at the n900 integration package (which should be in a ppa to make installation easier), and I see nothing in there that would prevent the mobile image from working on other platforms. [04:16] I.e. nothing that that deb package does to enable anything non-n900 specific. [04:19] i will check right now X is not starting [04:19] *why [04:20] That was easy. /etc/default/nodm NODM_ENABLE=false is killing it from starting. [04:22] I'm reviewing the wiki that you linked me to and looking for something that doesn't directly relate to n900 hardware. So far nothing there. [04:22] kubuntu-mobile-default settings should set that to true [04:25] From what I can tell, I "should" be able to flash natty-preinstalled-desktop-armel+omap4.img.gz to an SD card, sudo partprobe to update partition table, then flash natty-preinstalled-mobile-armel+omap4.img.gz over the ext3 partition. [04:25] Doing that, I can boot and go through oem-config no problem. [04:25] Or should I manually disable oem-config? [04:25] nice [04:26] i think wew can go with oem-config [04:28] i'm testing i386 install now [04:29] i had to call ubiquity manually [05:16] Riddell, can we change the image to come with ubuntu user predefined and remove oem-config? [05:20] Pretty hard to do that. [05:20] What are you seeing? [05:21] Another thing I found from the wiki: Remove everything from /usr/share/autostart other than plasma-mobile but plasma-mobile isn't there. [05:31] Got it! Lots of issues need to be fixed to make this work. Need to fix /etc/default/nodm and need plasma-mobile.desktop in /usr/share/autostart. Will file a bug appropriately against kubuntu-mobile-default settings. [05:32] GrueMaster, oki [05:33] GrueMaster, do you know how ubiquity works? how could i make it update the /etc/default/nodm? [05:36] rbelem: I thought we fixed that? [05:39] Not sure on that one. [05:39] I thought you would have had that in the nodm package. [05:40] Or the kubuntu-mobile-default-settings. [05:41] * ScottK thinks it's in the latter. [05:42] ScottK, it is just installing the nodm defaults with the ubuntu user set. It would be nice if we get the user from ubiquity [05:42] Why? [05:43] Why does nodm need to run as the user? [05:43] ops... from oem-config, sorry [05:45] GrueMaster, it can use the ubuntu user [05:48] Ok, I read the dev page for nodm and understand it's purpose. It is designed to run as root or a predefined user. What you should look at is to see how it can be rebuilt to use the user & autologin setting from oem-config. [05:48] yup [05:56] I'm lookgint at the code behind kubuntu-mobile-default-settings and NODM_ENABLED=true there. Must be getting overwritten by the nodm package. [05:58] Aha. kubuntu-mobile-default-settings is not installed. [05:58] er, there is no /etc/default/nodm in the package. [06:03] GrueMaster, we can put these in kubuntu-mobile-default-settings postinst script [06:04] GrueMaster, but i dont know yet how to get the user created by oem-config [06:08] GrueMaster, is there a way to add a script that oem-config will call? [06:08] rbelem: Without knowing TOO much about when nodm runs, the user created by oem-config will always havge an id of 1000:1000 [06:09] Not sure. Need to ask cjwatson or someone who knows oem-config. [06:09] if you need the user before oem-config is done running, I believe it can also be retrieved from debconf database but thats an unstable API [06:10] NCommander: We need oem-config to configure /etc/default/nodm [06:11] * NCommander is grabbing nodm so I can see what it is specifically [06:13] I'm reminded of what we were doing with Ubuntu-MID [06:15] rbelem: its possible to predefine the username and password of the initial user by preseeding it and then changing the image build to ship with the preseed built right in [06:19] NCommander, cool :-) now we have this option if we fail to find how to change the /etc/default/nodm after oem-config [06:20] rbelem: I do know it can be done, we did something very similar with the MID image but the details escape me. It might be easier to patch nodm to take a UID, then hardcode in 1000 [06:32] GrueMaster, NCommander, i think i found usr/lib/ubiquity/ [06:34] I asked about the ubuntu mid. Turns out we just used gdm. [06:34] we need to create a dir and add a script finish-install [06:34] that will update the /etc/default/nodm [06:35] Seems easy enough. [06:35] i got that in the eom-config's debian/rules [06:36] I'm still trying to figure out where /etc/default/nodm comes from. [06:39] i think it is generated [06:39] iá¸¿ going to bed [06:39] it is 01:40 am [06:40] bye [06:52] night. [08:02] Riddell, ScottK: I get 8 removals when trying to upgrade to KDE 4.6.2 on Maverick -> http://i.imgur.com/jIXRW.png [08:02] oh wait [08:02] but it's 4.5.5 which needs testing? [08:02] Then I will switch repos === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [08:06] morning [08:06] bambee: \o [08:42] Hrm, is there a reason we havent packaged this? (at least I cant find it in the repos?) https://launchpad.net/openobject-client-kde [08:44] jussi: other than noone has packaged it or there hasn't been presented any need for it? [08:44] Tm_T: other than those [08:45] not that I know (: [08:45] jussi: does the deb package they provides work? [08:53] no [08:54] oh, it needs a earlier version of python :/ [08:54] can I have 2 pythons at the same time? [08:55] http://paste.ubuntu.com/593907/ [08:55] (we have the GTK client in the repos, just not the kde one) [09:09] hmm, that kind of dependencies... cannot remember, sorry [09:13] also, is it now too late to grab a package from debian? (Im guessing it is...) [09:13] http://packages.debian.org/sid/openerp-web [09:13] for universe? [09:14] yeah [09:14] can't see why it couldn't be introduced, but you might like to ask in -motu to be sure [09:52] If I want to create a plasmoid that can access my Facebook account and tell me my updates, I know a bit how to create plasmoid, where can I know the code of accessing facebook? [09:57] c2tarun: use the "facebook" plasmoid :P [09:58] If you want to create a plasmoid like that, look at qtwebkit (qwebview) [09:58] bambee: its in python + I want to know how to access fb or gmail by code :/ [10:00] bambee: Qtwebkit will do that? [10:01] c2tarun: pyqt4 contains a qwebview widget :) [10:01] ask on #kde-devel [10:01] bambee: what is pyqt4? [10:01] !pyqt4 [10:01] Sorry, I don't know anything about pyqt4 [10:02] pyqt4 == Qt4 python binding [10:02] (Qt4 in python) [10:02] ask on #kde-devel and look at techbase [10:02] rather, ask in #plasma [10:03] Tm_T is right, ask in #plasma instead [10:04] sure I'll ask in plasma :) just one last thing, can I create plasmoid in Qt4/C++ because I dont know python [10:04] bambee: ^^ [10:04] yes [10:07] c2tarun: see also harald's session ("Widgetcraft: The Art of Creating Plasma Widgets") [10:08] bambee: I attended that :) [10:10] he explained that you can create a plasmoid in C++, javascript, qml, ruby and python [10:11] or use webwidget and then use html+css or anything [10:11] bambee: yup, I just got confused because you said pyqt4 :) [10:11] ok [10:56] ScottK: brown paper bag bug #688518 Same for natty (2 line offset) [10:56] Launchpad bug 688518 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu Maverick) "SRU? bashism in startkde" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/688518 [10:58] Also: with maverick-proposed and kdm autologin when I logout the session, I get no kdmgreeter but end up on linux console. No idea if this is a regression. Didn't try before I installed proposed. [12:00] allee: That would be important to know. Can you revert to the released one and see? I'll update the package. [12:09] did we work out if our ARM images were at all useful? [12:11] ScottK: I'll try. [12:57] ScottK: No regresion. It's the virtualbox xdriver. After I build the vbox guest utils and restarted X, the xserver SEGV on logout. service kdm reload -> and X starts again. I wonder why kdm does not do the restart try automaticly. At least at startup kdm tries 3 times AFAIR before fail-save is aktivated. [12:58] ScottK: will/can you also $1 -> "$1" in upstream kdebase 4.6-branch + master? [13:48] shadeslayer: up still ? [13:49] jussi: yes .. ssup [14:11] Riddell: do you know good python projects on upstream for which it would be interesting to get involved ? [14:11] bambee: system-config-printer-kde :) [14:13] mhhh... I look at it [14:16] bambee: the only notable upstream KDE projecting using python are system-config-printer-kde (which needs synced with system-config-printer from gnome and UI reimplemented to the design we had done), printer-applet (which is ok but could be made more pretty in my opinion) and a game in kdegames [14:17] Riddell: mhhh sounds interesting :) [14:19] I want to contribute to KDE so I thought to kwin and a python project, system-config-printer* looks a good candidate [14:39] Riddell: when you say "to the design we had done", which design are you talking about ? [14:50] bambee: see kubuntu_printer_configuration.pdf in the sources [14:51] ok [14:55] looks nice [15:37] dpm: what's the deadline for translations to get into 11.04? [15:37] DarkwingDuck: ping... [15:39] Riddell, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule <- for those in langpacks, the 21st, for those not in langpacks (i.e. kubuntu-docs) today [15:41] thanks dpm [15:42] Where can I find someone to test a KDE issue on Natty? (very simple test). I reported a bug and want to know whether to report it upstream too, or leave it on Launchpad. [15:42] It's bug 760632. Test by resizing a konsole window. [15:42] Launchpad bug 760632 in kdebase (Ubuntu) "Resizing Konsole crashes the whole system" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/760632 [15:42] (save your documents first) [15:43] alvin: i had this bug [15:43] I can't help resizing the konsole. Apparantly it's a habit. Crashed +10 times today. [15:51] alvin: yep still happens [15:54] allee: I don't have upstream access. You need to talk to Riddell or apachelogger probably. [15:54] allee: Thanks for checking === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [16:05] ScottK: Okay [16:35] bambee: oh userconfig is a Kubuntu tool which would benefit from going upstream and replacing kuser [16:35] Riddell: in kdeadmin package ? [16:36] bambee: that's where it should go yes [16:36] there are nice tools in kdeadmin... :) [17:33] Riddell: I can help for kdeadmin and kwin , I think :) [17:36] what are the steps when a package goes upstream, btw ? (typically userconfig) [17:38] bambee: contact the module maintainer for general approval, put it into kdereview, announce on kde-core-devel, wait for any complaints, if none move it into module in a couple of weeks [17:40] ryanakca: Will you be around if we need the Beta 2 announcement put up on kubuntu.org? [17:52] Riddell: pong... [17:52] DarkwingDuck: ah, how are docs doing? [17:54] bah, time to go out for a few hours [18:04] rbelem: On the kubuntu-mobile images, the instructions you have for n900 are to create a 3 partition image (fat, ext3, swap) and overwrite the ext3 partition with the kubuntu-mobile image. Would it be easier to just keep the kubuntu-mobile image teh same as the kubuntu-desktop (prepartitioned with boot & ext3), and just overlay the boot partition with the n900 bootloader? It would make testing easier, as anyone with an omap3/4 platform [18:04] would be able to test. [18:05] Also, for Oneric we are going to have a session on generic soc platform images & hw overlay support. [18:14] Riddell: the docs, i have to check with nixteral about the build and ill double check everything else [18:14] Riddell: i think all i have is about and welcome to combine into one doc [18:29] GrueMaster, i think the same way. we need to make this easier [18:30] ScottK, GrueMaster, i will ping cjwatson about oem-config [18:30] OK. [18:54] Riddell: userconfig should be ported to kauth, we also need to finalize the ldap backend which is still experimental (I can help for that) [18:55] imho [19:19] bambee: I'd say go for it. [19:24] allee: Fixed -workspace should be in the archive for maverick-proposed. I'd appreciate it if you would retest and comment in the bugs about how it goes. [19:25] ScottK: oh sure, my comment was just to give my point of view to Jonathan :) (I hope it has not been misinterpreted) [19:25] I wasn't sure if you were waiting on someone to tell you to go ahead or not. [19:26] I were not, but thanks anyway :) [19:40] ScottK, allee: whut? [20:41] bambee: yes I agree on those [20:41] Riddell: I didn't see a release announcement yet, but I'm sure it's close. [20:42] so close I can feel it in the air! [20:42] :-) [21:34] Riddell: Beta 2 is announced. === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | Lots to do https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | beta 2 bugs http://goo.gl/HbXHe | Add specs to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/UDS-O | Maverick KDE SC 4.5.5 testing: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/757065 [21:49] hello [21:51] kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-natty-beta-2 [21:51] bit sparse [21:51] hello savpether [21:51] i made something for new kubuntu 11.04 [21:52] i made kdm theme, special for kubuntu [21:52] this is link: http://www.sendspace.pl/file/f9e2b6a39e6031ac09c7c62 [21:52] and this is screenshot: http://www.imghost.pl/?id=9b50cb79d7 [21:53] if you want, you could add this as default to kubuntu 11.04 :) [21:54] I'm afraid it's too late for any artwork changes for 11.04 [21:54] and we tend to stick with upstream artwork anyway [21:54] savpether: but if you're an artist a banner for beta 2 would be lovely [21:56] i think this theme is better than theme from upstream, i remove user field and user have to just choose nick and put the password, i know but in my opinion kubuntu need something new, something suprise.. :) I can support this theme for next releases and fix the bugs i test this theme on five resolutions and all work fine [21:57] if you dont want add this in 11.04, you could also add this in 11.10 [21:58] for creat this theme i use only elements from horos theme and my theme based on horos [22:01] savpether: ever thought so send it upstream KDE? [22:02] they probably like it and all distros will benefit [22:05] if i send it upstream kde i will have to change font to sand from ubuntu and change logo icon so i can make kde version od this theme and send to upstream, but i would like to see kubuntu version of this theme as default:) [22:07] as default in kubuntu*, ok so if you wouldn't add this theme i send it on kde-look.org but in my opinion kubuntu needs something special. [22:07] savpether: It's far too late in the release cycle for us to be considering such changes. [22:08] savpether: as Riddell said, we stick with upstream artwork, no plans to change it [22:09] if not in 11.04, you could also add this in 11.10 [22:09] neversfelde: i think its mistake, community ready for help and make some special for kubuntu but you dont want, i have question - why? [22:11] savpether: Kubuntu 11.10 will be discussed on next UDS, for this release it is far too late as ScottK said [22:12] please join the discussion and introduce your work [22:13] I think it's something we can discuss for 11.10. [22:14] i hope so :) thanks guys and good night [23:31] there is a typo in Kubuntu beta 2 release notes: "easier natty narwhal no release candidateto use interface" instead of "easier to use interface" [23:36] ryanakca: ^^^ [23:42] looks like a copy/paste error -- they are so sneaky!