[00:30] <claydoh> the purple grub clashes, imnsho. blank would be better than that for kubuntu's coilors
[00:30] <claydoh> s/blank/black
[00:34] <ScottK> Agreed.
[00:57] <GrueMaster> Riddell: natty-preinstalled-mobile-armel+omap.img is not a working image.  It appears to just be a rootfs without the boot partition.
[00:57] <GrueMaster> I can graft it to an existing image for testing, but I don't know if it is worth a respin.
[01:17] <rbelem> ScottK, i notice that a dependency is missing in plasma-mobile
[01:17] <rbelem> ScottK, plasma-widgets-workspace
[01:17] <rbelem> Riddell, ^
[01:18] <rbelem> could you add that? :-)
[01:30] <GrueMaster> Looks like Kubuntu Mobile armel+omap4 is a failure also.
[01:32] <rbelem> :(
[01:33] <rbelem> ah!
[01:33] <rbelem> GrueMaster, i think this is proposital
[01:34] <GrueMaster> ?
[01:34] <rbelem> GrueMaster, you have to follow these instructions https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/n900
[01:34] <rbelem> GrueMaster, just part of that, in fact
[01:35] <GrueMaster> Oh, I get it.  You guys are only posting a rootfs instead of the whole image.
[01:35] <rbelem> yup :-)
[01:36] <rbelem> GrueMaster, i forgot that, sorry :-)
[01:36] <GrueMaster> ok.  Kind of a pita, but I can see that.  
[01:37] <GrueMaster> Someone should add this link to the iso.qa.ubuntu.com test procedures.
[01:38] <GrueMaster> You could easily make integration packages for beagle & panda by taking the boot sector from the kubuntu desktop preinstalled images.
[01:51] <ScottK> rbelem: Fixing.
[02:07] <GrueMaster> rbelem: Ok, what is the secret to actually booting this mobile image after oem-config runs?
[02:07] <GrueMaster> It just dumps me at a text console.
[02:18] <ScottK> rbelem or Riddell^^^
[02:29] <rbelem> GrueMaster, hum... i will check whats wrong :-(
[02:30] <GrueMaster> It would be much easier if the img file is a complete filesystem (similar to kubuntu-desktop & ubuntu-netbook).  Then you could just overwrite the boot partion with the needed bits for n900 or what ever.
[02:33] <rbelem> brb
[02:51] <GrueMaster> Looks like NODM_ENABLED is false in /etc/default/nodm
[02:58] <NCommander> ScottK: Riddell: I thought Kubuntu-Mobile was for N900 only.
[02:58] <ScottK> No.
[02:59] <ScottK> It should work on any armel device we build for.
[03:00] <NCommander> ScottK: it might run, but the demos of it I saw were for a touchscreen device running on the N900. I'm not sure testing it on non-target hardware will give valid test results. 
[03:00] <NCommander> What is needed is people with N900s
[03:01] <ScottK> That's certainly where the focus is.
[03:06] <NCommander> ScottK: looking at these instructions, I don't tihnk a non-N900 boot enviroinment would even work. The N900 RAMdisk + bootloader do strange and unusual tihngs last time I looked at it
[03:06] <ScottK> OK.
[03:06] <GrueMaster> ScottK: One issue is the way the images are currently being built.  These images are in no way usable as a preinstalled image if they do not contain a boot method (these do not have a boot partition currently).  That alone causes me to mark as fail for beta release.
[03:06] <ScottK> OK.
[03:07] <ScottK> rbelem and apachelogger are the ones who have been following it the most closely.
[03:07] <GrueMaster> I have managed to flash it over the rootfs image for kubuntu-desktop, but it still fails to launch anything after oem-config runs it's course.
[03:09] <NCommander> ScottK: apachelogger: I suspect the best thing that can be done is discuss with the release team, and understand that those of us without N900s ar eprobably useless w.r.t. to testing kubuntu-mobile.
[03:13] <ScottK> OK.
[03:14] <ScottK> apachelogger and rbelem both have n900's to test with.
[03:14] <ScottK> I gave mine away to someone so they could produce the kernel.
[03:15] <NCommander> ScottK: getting good test results on the N900 will help
[04:15] <GrueMaster> I'm looking at the n900 integration package (which should be in a ppa to make installation easier), and I see nothing in there that would prevent the mobile image from working on other platforms.
[04:16] <GrueMaster> I.e. nothing that that deb package does to enable anything non-n900 specific.
[04:19] <rbelem> i will check right now X is not starting
[04:19] <rbelem> *why
[04:20] <GrueMaster> That was easy.  /etc/default/nodm NODM_ENABLE=false is killing it from starting.
[04:22] <GrueMaster> I'm reviewing the wiki that you linked me to and looking for something that doesn't directly relate to n900 hardware.  So far nothing there.
[04:22] <rbelem> kubuntu-mobile-default settings should set that to true
[04:25] <GrueMaster> From what I can tell, I "should" be able to flash natty-preinstalled-desktop-armel+omap4.img.gz to an SD card, sudo partprobe <SD card> to update partition table, then flash natty-preinstalled-mobile-armel+omap4.img.gz  over the ext3 partition.
[04:25] <GrueMaster> Doing that, I can boot and go through oem-config no problem.
[04:25] <GrueMaster> Or should I manually disable oem-config?
[04:25] <rbelem> nice
[04:26] <rbelem>  i think wew can go with oem-config
[04:28] <rbelem> i'm testing i386 install now
[04:29] <rbelem> i had to call ubiquity manually
[05:16] <rbelem> Riddell, can we change the image to come with ubuntu user predefined and remove oem-config?
[05:20] <GrueMaster> Pretty hard to do that.
[05:20] <GrueMaster> What are you seeing?
[05:21] <GrueMaster> Another thing I found from the wiki:  Remove everything from /usr/share/autostart other than plasma-mobile but plasma-mobile isn't there.
[05:31] <GrueMaster> Got it!  Lots of issues need to be fixed to make this work.  Need to fix /etc/default/nodm and need plasma-mobile.desktop in /usr/share/autostart.  Will file a bug appropriately against kubuntu-mobile-default settings. 
[05:32] <rbelem> GrueMaster, oki
[05:33] <rbelem> GrueMaster, do you know how ubiquity works? how could i make it update the /etc/default/nodm?
[05:36] <ScottK> rbelem: I thought we fixed that?
[05:39] <GrueMaster> Not sure on that one.
[05:39] <GrueMaster> I thought you would have had that in the nodm package.
[05:40] <GrueMaster> Or the kubuntu-mobile-default-settings.
[05:41]  * ScottK thinks it's in the latter.
[05:42] <rbelem> ScottK, it is just installing the nodm defaults with the ubuntu user set. It would be nice if we get the user from ubiquity
[05:42] <ScottK> Why?
[05:43] <GrueMaster> Why does nodm need to run as the user?
[05:43] <rbelem> ops... from oem-config, sorry
[05:45] <rbelem> GrueMaster, it can use the ubuntu user
[05:48] <GrueMaster> Ok, I read the dev page for nodm and understand it's purpose.  It is designed to run as root or a predefined user.  What you should look at is to see how it can be rebuilt to use the user & autologin setting from oem-config.
[05:48] <rbelem> yup
[05:56] <GrueMaster> I'm lookgint at the code behind kubuntu-mobile-default-settings and NODM_ENABLED=true there.  Must be getting overwritten by the nodm package.
[05:58] <GrueMaster> Aha.  kubuntu-mobile-default-settings is not installed.
[05:58] <GrueMaster> er, there is no /etc/default/nodm in the package.
[06:03] <rbelem> GrueMaster, we can put these in kubuntu-mobile-default-settings postinst script
[06:04] <rbelem> GrueMaster, but i dont know yet how to get the user created by oem-config
[06:08] <rbelem> GrueMaster, is there a way to add a script that oem-config will call?
[06:08] <NCommander> rbelem: Without knowing TOO much about when nodm runs, the user created by oem-config will always havge an id of 1000:1000
[06:09] <GrueMaster> Not sure.  Need to ask cjwatson or someone who knows oem-config.
[06:09] <NCommander> if you need the user before oem-config is done running, I believe it can also be retrieved from debconf database but thats an unstable API
[06:10] <GrueMaster> NCommander: We need oem-config to configure /etc/default/nodm
[06:11]  * NCommander is grabbing nodm so I can see what it is specifically
[06:13] <NCommander> I'm reminded of what we were doing with Ubuntu-MID
[06:15] <NCommander> rbelem: its possible to predefine the username and password of the initial user by preseeding it and then changing the image build to ship with the preseed built right in
[06:19] <rbelem> NCommander, cool :-) now we have this option if we fail to find how to change the /etc/default/nodm after oem-config
[06:20] <NCommander> rbelem: I do know it can be done, we did something very similar with the MID image but the details escape me. It might be easier to patch nodm to take a UID, then hardcode in 1000
[06:32] <rbelem> GrueMaster, NCommander, i think i found usr/lib/ubiquity/
[06:34] <GrueMaster> I asked about the ubuntu mid.  Turns out we just used gdm.
[06:34] <rbelem> we need to create a dir and add a script finish-install
[06:34] <rbelem> that will update the /etc/default/nodm
[06:35] <GrueMaster> Seems easy enough.
[06:35] <rbelem> i got that in the eom-config's debian/rules
[06:36] <GrueMaster> I'm still trying to figure out where /etc/default/nodm comes from.
[06:39] <rbelem> i think it is generated
[06:39] <rbelem> iá¸¿ going to bed
[06:39] <rbelem> it is 01:40 am
[06:40] <rbelem> bye
[06:52] <GrueMaster> night.
[08:02] <Quintasan_> Riddell, ScottK: I get 8 removals when trying to upgrade to KDE 4.6.2 on Maverick -> http://i.imgur.com/jIXRW.png
[08:02] <Quintasan_> oh wait
[08:02] <Quintasan_> but it's 4.5.5 which needs testing?
[08:02] <Quintasan_> Then I will switch repos
[08:06] <bambee> morning
[08:06] <Quintasan> bambee: \o
[08:42] <jussi> Hrm, is there a reason we havent packaged this? (at least I cant find it in the repos?) https://launchpad.net/openobject-client-kde
[08:44] <Tm_T> jussi: other than noone has packaged it or there hasn't been presented any need for it?
[08:44] <jussi> Tm_T: other than those
[08:45] <Tm_T> not that I know (:
[08:45] <Tm_T> jussi: does the deb package they provides work?
[08:53] <jussi> no
[08:54] <jussi> oh, it needs a earlier version of python :/
[08:54] <jussi> can I have 2 pythons at the same time? 
[08:55] <jussi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/593907/
[08:55] <jussi> (we have the GTK client in the repos, just not the kde one)
[09:09] <Tm_T> hmm, that kind of dependencies... cannot remember, sorry
[09:13] <jussi> also, is it now too late to grab a package from debian? (Im guessing it is...)
[09:13] <jussi> http://packages.debian.org/sid/openerp-web
[09:13] <Tm_T> for universe?
[09:14] <jussi> yeah
[09:14] <Tm_T> can't see why it couldn't be introduced, but you might like to ask in -motu to be sure
[09:52] <c2tarun> If I want to create a plasmoid that can access my Facebook account and tell me my updates, I know a bit how to create plasmoid, where can I know the code of accessing facebook?
[09:57] <bambee> c2tarun: use the "facebook" plasmoid :P
[09:58] <bambee> If you want to create a plasmoid like that, look at qtwebkit (qwebview)
[09:58] <c2tarun> bambee: its in python + I want to know how to access fb or gmail by code :/
[10:00] <c2tarun> bambee: Qtwebkit will do that?
[10:01] <bambee> c2tarun:  pyqt4 contains a qwebview widget :)
[10:01] <bambee> ask on #kde-devel
[10:01] <c2tarun> bambee: what is pyqt4?
[10:01] <c2tarun> !pyqt4
[10:02] <bambee> pyqt4 == Qt4 python binding
[10:02] <bambee> (Qt4 in python)
[10:02] <bambee> ask on #kde-devel and look at techbase
[10:02] <Tm_T> rather, ask in #plasma
[10:03] <bambee> Tm_T is right, ask in #plasma instead
[10:04] <c2tarun> sure I'll ask in plasma :) just one last thing, can I create plasmoid in Qt4/C++ because I dont know python
[10:04] <c2tarun> bambee: ^^
[10:04] <Tm_T> yes
[10:07] <bambee> c2tarun: see also harald's session ("Widgetcraft: The Art of Creating Plasma Widgets")
[10:08] <c2tarun> bambee: I attended that :)
[10:10] <bambee> he explained that you can create a plasmoid in C++, javascript, qml, ruby and python
[10:11] <Tm_T> or use webwidget and then use html+css or anything
[10:11] <c2tarun> bambee: yup, I just got confused because you said pyqt4 :)
[10:11] <bambee> ok
[10:56] <allee> ScottK: brown paper bag bug #688518   Same for natty (2 line offset)
[10:58] <allee> Also:  with maverick-proposed and kdm autologin  when I logout the session, I get no kdmgreeter but end up on linux console.  No idea if this is a regression.  Didn't try before I installed proposed.
[12:00] <ScottK> allee: That would be important to know.  Can you revert to the released one and see?  I'll update the package.
[12:09] <Riddell> did we work out if our ARM images were at all useful?
[12:11] <allee> ScottK: I'll try.   
[12:57] <allee> ScottK: No regresion. It's the virtualbox xdriver.  After I build the vbox guest utils and restarted X,  the xserver SEGV on logout.   service kdm reload   -> and X starts again.  I wonder why kdm does not do the restart try automaticly.  At least at startup kdm tries 3 times AFAIR before fail-save is aktivated.
[12:58] <allee> ScottK: will/can you also $1 -> "$1" in upstream kdebase  4.6-branch + master?
[13:48] <jussi> shadeslayer: up still ? 
[13:49] <shadeslayer> jussi: yes .. ssup
[14:11] <bambee> Riddell: do you know good python projects on upstream for which it would be interesting to get involved ?
[14:11] <Riddell> bambee: system-config-printer-kde :)
[14:13] <bambee> mhhh... I look at it
[14:16] <Riddell> bambee: the only notable upstream KDE projecting using python are system-config-printer-kde (which needs synced with system-config-printer from gnome and UI reimplemented to the design we had done), printer-applet (which is ok but could be made more pretty in my opinion) and a game in kdegames
[14:17] <bambee> Riddell: mhhh  sounds interesting :)
[14:19] <bambee> I want to contribute to KDE so I thought to kwin and a python project, system-config-printer* looks a good candidate
[14:39] <bambee> Riddell: when you say "to the design we had done", which design are you talking about ?
[14:50] <Riddell> bambee: see kubuntu_printer_configuration.pdf in the sources
[14:51] <bambee> ok
[14:55] <bambee> looks nice
[15:37] <Riddell> dpm: what's the deadline for translations to get into 11.04?
[15:37] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: ping...
[15:39] <dpm> Riddell, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule <- for those in langpacks, the 21st, for those not in langpacks (i.e. kubuntu-docs) today
[15:41] <Riddell> thanks dpm 
[15:42] <alvin> Where can I find someone to test a KDE issue on Natty? (very simple test). I reported a bug and want to know whether to report it upstream too, or leave it on Launchpad.
[15:42] <alvin> It's bug 760632. Test by resizing a konsole window.
[15:42] <alvin> (save your documents first)
[15:43] <shadeslayer> alvin: i had this bug
[15:43] <alvin> I can't help resizing the konsole. Apparantly it's a habit. Crashed +10 times today.
[15:51] <shadeslayer> alvin: yep still happens
[15:54] <ScottK> allee: I don't have upstream access.   You need to talk to Riddell or apachelogger probably.
[15:54] <ScottK> allee: Thanks for checking
[16:05] <allee> ScottK: Okay
[16:35] <Riddell> bambee: oh userconfig is a Kubuntu tool which would benefit from going upstream and replacing kuser
[16:35] <bambee> Riddell: in kdeadmin package ?
[16:36] <Riddell> bambee: that's where it should go yes
[16:36] <bambee> there are nice tools in kdeadmin... :)
[17:33] <bambee> Riddell: I can help for kdeadmin and kwin , I think :)
[17:36] <bambee> what are the steps when a package goes upstream, btw ? (typically userconfig)
[17:38] <Riddell> bambee: contact the module maintainer for general approval, put it into kdereview, announce on kde-core-devel, wait for any complaints, if none move it into module in a couple of weeks
[17:40] <ScottK> ryanakca: Will you be around if we need the Beta 2 announcement put up on kubuntu.org?
[17:52] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: pong...
[17:52] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: ah, how are docs doing?
[17:54] <Riddell> bah, time to go out for a few hours
[18:04] <GrueMaster> rbelem: On the kubuntu-mobile images, the instructions you have for n900 are to create a 3 partition image (fat, ext3, swap) and overwrite the ext3 partition with the kubuntu-mobile image.  Would it be easier to just keep the kubuntu-mobile image teh same as the kubuntu-desktop (prepartitioned with boot & ext3), and just overlay the boot partition with the n900 bootloader?  It would make testing easier, as anyone with an omap3/4 platform
[18:04] <GrueMaster>  would be able to test.
[18:05] <GrueMaster> Also, for Oneric we are going to have a session on generic soc platform images & hw overlay support.
[18:14] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: the docs, i have to check with nixteral about the build and ill double check everything else
[18:14] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: i think all i have is about and welcome to combine into one doc
[18:29] <rbelem> GrueMaster, i think the same way. we need to make this easier
[18:30] <rbelem> ScottK, GrueMaster, i will ping cjwatson about oem-config
[18:30] <ScottK> OK.
[18:54] <bambee> Riddell: userconfig should be ported to kauth, we also need to finalize the ldap backend which is still experimental (I can help for that)
[18:55] <bambee> imho
[19:19] <ScottK> bambee: I'd say go for it.
[19:24] <ScottK> allee: Fixed -workspace should be in the archive for maverick-proposed.  I'd appreciate it if you would retest and comment in the bugs about how it goes.
[19:25] <bambee> ScottK: oh sure, my comment was just to give my point of view to Jonathan :)  (I hope it has not been misinterpreted)
[19:25] <ScottK> I wasn't sure if you were waiting on someone to tell you to go ahead or not.
[19:26] <bambee> I were not, but thanks anyway :)
[19:40] <apachelogger> ScottK, allee: whut?
[20:41] <Riddell> bambee: yes I agree on those
[20:41] <ScottK> Riddell: I didn't see a release announcement yet, but I'm sure it's close.
[20:42] <Riddell> so close I can feel it in the air!
[20:42] <ScottK> :-)
[21:34] <ScottK> Riddell: Beta 2 is announced.
[21:49] <savpether> hello
[21:51] <Riddell> kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-natty-beta-2
[21:51] <Riddell> bit sparse
[21:51] <Riddell> hello savpether 
[21:51] <savpether> i made something for new kubuntu 11.04
[21:52] <savpether> i made kdm theme, special for kubuntu
[21:52] <savpether> this is link: http://www.sendspace.pl/file/f9e2b6a39e6031ac09c7c62
[21:52] <savpether> and this is screenshot: http://www.imghost.pl/?id=9b50cb79d7
[21:53] <savpether> if you want, you could add this as default to kubuntu 11.04 :)
[21:54] <Riddell> I'm afraid it's too late for any artwork changes for 11.04
[21:54] <Riddell> and we tend to stick with upstream artwork anyway
[21:54] <Riddell> savpether: but if you're an artist a banner for beta 2 would be lovely
[21:56] <savpether> i think this theme is better than theme from upstream, i remove user field and user have to just  choose nick and put the password, i know but in my opinion  kubuntu need something new, something suprise.. :) I can support this theme for next releases and fix the bugs i test this theme on five resolutions and all work fine
[21:57] <savpether> if you dont want add this in 11.04, you could also add this in 11.10
[21:58] <savpether> for creat this theme i use only elements from horos theme and my theme based on horos
[22:01] <neversfelde> savpether: ever thought so send it upstream KDE?
[22:02] <neversfelde> they probably like it and all distros will benefit
[22:05] <savpether> if i send it upstream kde i will have to change font to sand from ubuntu and change logo icon so i can make kde version od this theme and send to upstream, but i would like to see kubuntu version of this theme as default:) 
[22:07] <savpether> as default in kubuntu*, ok so if you wouldn't add this theme i send it on kde-look.org but in my opinion kubuntu needs something special.
[22:07] <ScottK> savpether: It's far too late in the release cycle for us to be considering such changes.
[22:08] <neversfelde> savpether: as Riddell said, we stick with upstream artwork, no plans to change it
[22:09] <savpether> if not in 11.04, you could also add this in 11.10
[22:09] <savpether> neversfelde: i think its mistake, community ready for help and make some special for kubuntu but you dont want, i  have question - why?
[22:11] <neversfelde> savpether: Kubuntu 11.10 will be discussed on next UDS, for this release it is far too late as ScottK said
[22:12] <neversfelde> please join the discussion and introduce your work
[22:13] <ScottK> I think it's something we can discuss for 11.10.
[22:14] <savpether> i hope so :) thanks guys and good night
[23:31] <stikonas> there is a typo in Kubuntu beta 2 release notes: "easier natty narwhal no release candidateto use interface" instead of "easier to use interface"
[23:36] <ScottK> ryanakca: ^^^
[23:42] <valorie> looks like a copy/paste error -- they are so sneaky!