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| crazed | ensemble eh? sounds pretty cool | 03:02 |
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| crazed | i want to see it in use though | 03:02 |
| flaccid | tried chef or puppet before? | 03:15 |
| crazed | yeah i use chef mostly currently | 03:42 |
| crazed | chef cloudformation and cloud-init, but you need to combine three things to get the end goal, seems ensemble is trying to do all three together | 03:44 |
| flaccid | well cloud-init is a perfect example | 03:50 |
| flaccid | that relies on upstart and yet its not even a dependency of the package | 03:50 |
| flaccid | it won't work on most other distributions out of box. i still need to find time to port it. | 03:51 |
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| flaccid | i guess if you are happy with being locked into ubuntu with everything, then its certainly the distro you can be happy with | 03:52 |
| crazed | amazon linux adopted cloud-init, i think others would as well, there's nothing else out there that provides a nice set of tools to interact with userdata | 03:58 |
| flaccid | yes they had to fork it and do their own version of it which really doesn't help. i need to find term to merge both so that more than 2 distros can use it. | 03:59 |
| flaccid | term=time | 04:00 |
| flaccid | its disheartening to see two distros act like proprietary companies | 04:00 |
| crazed | would it really be that hard to port to say centos? | 04:01 |
| crazed | https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/655837 | 04:03 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 655837 in cloud-init "integrate changes from amazon" [Medium,Triaged] | 04:03 |
| flaccid | no i did an analysis and its not hard to port, but of course it takes a little bit of time. this doesn't address the concept of a platform independent codebase | 04:03 |
| crazed | oh you're subscribed to that | 04:03 |
| flaccid | yes thats the bug we have | 04:03 |
| flaccid | nobody has time | 04:03 |
| flaccid | good ol working backwards. amazon forked it because it depends on upstart.. | 04:04 |
| smoser | amazon forked because it depends on apt | 04:05 |
| smoser | that was the biggest issue | 04:05 |
| smoser | the upstart isn't really all that bad. | 04:06 |
| smoser | and they didn't really chose to fork. they're interested in getting their changes back upstream | 04:06 |
| smoser | business forced them to fork (ie, they needed something *now*) | 04:06 |
| crazed | maybe there should be a concept similar to chef, where it abstracts the init/package systems | 04:06 |
| smoser | well, yes. some abstraction layer for packages would be necessary. | 04:07 |
| flaccid | i analyzed the code and upstart is more hard in there imho. there is no reason to depend on either. | 04:08 |
| flaccid | smoser: if they are interested, why have they not just done it? | 04:08 |
| smoser | things take time. | 04:09 |
| flaccid | true, but how long for this one? :) | 04:09 |
| flaccid | i want to do it so i can port it properly to debian and conform to deb policy, but heh i dont have time yet | 04:10 |
| crazed | time's always an issue | 04:10 |
| smoser | and priority | 04:10 |
| smoser | you have something that works, its hard to assign priority to doing the right thing | 04:10 |
| smoser | :) | 04:10 |
| smoser | anyway... | 04:10 |
| crazed | true | 04:11 |
| flaccid | it doesn't work on debian heh | 04:11 |
| smoser | i am interested in making cloud-init function properly on debian | 04:11 |
| flaccid | otherwise i would of included it in the AMIs i release last week | 04:11 |
| smoser | and would be interested in helping people make it work on fedora or the like. | 04:11 |
| flaccid | yep, its just time and priority for both of us right and we've talked about this before | 04:11 |
| flaccid | thanks again for the rightscale support though :) me and jeremydei are lovin it | 04:12 |
| smoser | so you're using it? | 04:12 |
| smoser | thats great. | 04:12 |
| flaccid | oh just in some natty testing stuff | 04:12 |
| smoser | it could be better. | 04:12 |
| smoser | you're kindof delegated to user-scripts with it. | 04:12 |
| flaccid | i have to find time to rewrite the rightlink_installer.sh for the hook | 04:12 |
| smoser | rather than being able to insert boothooks and such | 04:12 |
| flaccid | well just the one remote script to install rightlink is all we need :) | 04:13 |
| flaccid | smoser: tried out my images yet by any chance? | 04:23 |
| smoser | no. | 04:24 |
| flaccid | ah wells | 04:24 |
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| koolhead17 | hi all | 18:57 |
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