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| ogra_ | froople | 15:55 |
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| NCommander | #startmeeting | 15:59 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 09:59. The chair is NCommander. | 15:59 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 15:59 |
| NCommander | [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110414#preview | 15:59 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110414#preview | 15:59 |
| * rsalveti waves | 15:59 | |
| NCommander | raise your hand if your here | 15:59 |
| ogra_ | o/ | 15:59 |
| rsalveti | o/ | 16:00 |
| * GrueMaster is properly caffeinated and present. | 16:00 | |
| NCommander | k | 16:00 |
| NCommander | we have no standing action items from last week | 16:00 |
| NCommander | [topic] Standing Items | 16:00 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Standing Items | 16:00 |
| * ogra_ tickles janimo and DavidLevin | 16:00 | |
| ogra_ | err | 16:00 |
| ogra_ | davidm := | 16:00 |
| ogra_ | :) | 16:00 |
| janimo | hello | 16:01 |
| NCommander | [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html | 16:01 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html | 16:01 |
| ogra_ | NCommander, whats that one item you have still open there ? | 16:01 |
| NCommander | http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-ubuntu-11.04-beta-2.html | 16:01 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-ubuntu-11.04-beta-2.html | 16:01 |
| ogra_ | dokos is c losed | 16:01 |
| rsalveti | haha, it's mine | 16:01 |
| rsalveti | will close | 16:01 |
| rsalveti | forgot about this one | 16:01 |
| ogra_ | rsajdok, i meant NCommanders Wi | 16:02 |
| NCommander | ogra_: it is has me test the chinese edition of Ubuntu | 16:02 |
| ogra_ | grmbl | 16:02 |
| ogra_ | NCommander, ah, the description sounds weird | 16:02 |
| ogra_ | but we look great there imho :) | 16:02 |
| NCommander | ogra_: yeah, I don't think I hsould have it, but it isn't in a spec I can edit + it refers to other people so I'm basically ingoring it | 16:02 |
| ogra_ | yeah, i think you can | 16:03 |
| ogra_ | though its bad that you cant even postpone or close it without them | 16:03 |
| ogra_ | well, but essentially we're done ... and 87 WIs closed for this cycle doesnt look to bad | 16:04 |
| ogra_ | move ? | 16:04 |
| NCommander | ogra_: I keep forgetting to poke the spec owner before I poke the WI | 16:04 |
| ogra_ | oh, wait | 16:04 |
| ogra_ | should we dicuss the O spec ideas here ? | 16:04 |
| ogra_ | (did anyone apart from me add any yet ? i think there is a deadline soon) | 16:05 |
| * NCommander hasn't | 16:05 | |
| rsalveti | not yet, was busy with beta-2 | 16:05 |
| rsalveti | we should know about the deadline | 16:05 |
| ogra_ | NCommander, you said you wanted to work on the archive skew stuff, would probably make a good spec after talking to cjohnston | 16:05 |
| ogra_ | GRRR !!!!!!!!! | 16:05 |
| ogra_ | to cjwatson | 16:05 |
| ogra_ | rsalveti, there was mail somewhere tlaking about it | 16:06 |
| NCommander | ogra_: tab complete is not your friend | 16:06 |
| * ogra_ forgot where or when | 16:06 | |
| ogra_ | NCommander, totally not today :( | 16:06 |
| NCommander | ogra_: I've had ideas about it, just haven't taken pen to paper so to speak | 16:06 |
| ogra_ | NCommander, i know colin has a plan ready but no time to implement it | 16:06 |
| ogra_ | would need someone willing to touch soyuz indeed | 16:06 |
| ogra_ | and it would be a massive improvement, for all of us | 16:07 |
| ogra_ | mostly for GrueMaster thoughm since he would have images all the time ;) | 16:07 |
| NCommander | ogra_: I'll poke cjwatson | 16:07 |
| ogra_ | cool | 16:07 |
| NCommander | [action] NCommander to poke cjwatson on soyuz archive skew plan | 16:07 |
| GrueMaster | That would be a nice change. | 16:07 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: NCommander to poke cjwatson on soyuz archive skew plan | 16:07 |
| ogra_ | i looked through brainstorm too today to find any spec ideas | 16:08 |
| ogra_ | but thats mostly useless | 16:08 |
| NCommander | [topic] Unity 2D status | 16:08 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Unity 2D status | 16:08 |
| ogra_ | upstream is working on remaining bugs and want to proviode me a package before 19th | 16:08 |
| ogra_ | not sure it will make it in or become SRU ... up to release team then | 16:09 |
| NCommander | ogra_: we're at the point we should probably be prepared to do SRUs | 16:09 |
| ogra_ | well, i'll upload in any case as long as i can | 16:09 |
| ogra_ | if its rejected we can still make it an SRU | 16:09 |
| NCommander | ogra_: of course | 16:09 |
| ogra_ | uploads are possible until 21st as i understood skaet's mail | 16:09 |
| ogra_ | wether they are accepted is another story ;) | 16:10 |
| ogra_ | move | 16:10 |
| ogra_ | (unless anyone has anything else for u-2d) | 16:10 |
| NCommander | [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti) | 16:10 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti) | 16:10 |
| rsalveti | there will be one new update soon, with stable updates and more bug fixes | 16:11 |
| rsalveti | the mem instability issue seems to be finally gone | 16:11 |
| rsalveti | tested over 3 days doing kernel build with 1g and our current kernel and it was fine | 16:11 |
| ogra_ | with the current cmdline ? | 16:11 |
| rsalveti | didn't check our current image, but I believe ogra_ changed the default boot args already | 16:11 |
| ogra_ | or just mem=1G | 16:11 |
| ogra_ | yeah, bootargs are set to 980M or so | 16:12 |
| ogra_ | or 960 | 16:12 |
| rsalveti | ogra_: I tested with 1G, so it should be fine with less | 16:12 |
| janimo | rsalveti, is the omap4 sgx work going in as well? So no both 3d accel and wifi will work w/o a PPA? | 16:12 |
| rsalveti | janimo: it's in the release ppa already | 16:12 |
| GrueMaster | wifi works now. | 16:12 |
| rsalveti | there's still one driver update, that I'm planning to finish until the end of this week | 16:12 |
| GrueMaster | w/o ppa | 16:12 |
| rsalveti | wifi should work by default | 16:12 |
| rsalveti | with upstream driver | 16:13 |
| ogra_ | GrueMaster, not in headless :( | 16:13 |
| GrueMaster | headless can be configured to use wifi manually. | 16:13 |
| ogra_ | we miss a bunch of wireless tools | 16:13 |
| rsalveti | ogra_: we should have a cmd line mode for NM | 16:13 |
| ogra_ | we do | 16:13 |
| ogra_ | there is a tool | 16:13 |
| ogra_ | lets make sure we have it in the image in oneric | 16:14 |
| rsalveti | also, another bug that had a fix (more a workaround) is the page allocation errors | 16:14 |
| rsalveti | ogra_: sure | 16:14 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 16:14 |
| GrueMaster | rsalveti: cool. | 16:14 |
| rsalveti | that should help both omap3 and 4 | 16:14 |
| janimo | rsalveti, I mean no ppa at all but official archives | 16:14 |
| ogra_ | there is still bug 746133 | 16:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 746133 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu) "Video loses sync on omap4" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746133 | 16:14 |
| rsalveti | janimo: if I get the "final" driver version ready soon, I'll try to push to the archive | 16:14 |
| rsalveti | but that depends if IMG is not releasing another one | 16:15 |
| ogra_ | and bug 758961 | 16:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 758961 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu) "WARNING: at /build/buildd/linux-ti-omap4-2.6.38/drivers/tty/tty_mutex.c:31 tty_lock 0x30/0x4c()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/758961 | 16:15 |
| janimo | ogra_, I could not get wifi working either with nmcli only | 16:15 |
| rsalveti | the second one (warning) should be gone with the new pull request | 16:15 |
| ogra_ | janimo, i think we are missing wireless-tools and wpa-supplicant | 16:15 |
| rsalveti | janimo: it's working, but not stable atm | 16:15 |
| ogra_ | janimo, something to research for O | 16:15 |
| rsalveti | the new pull request should also bring some fixes for it | 16:15 |
| ogra_ | (i dont even think iwconfig was installed when i tested) | 16:16 |
| rsalveti | seems the "only" bug now is this related with the video losing sync | 16:16 |
| ogra_ | GrueMaster, do you still plan to look into bug 651302 ? possibly for an SRU ? | 16:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 651302 in Ubuntu Natty "No sound in omap (beagle, beagleXM)." [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651302 | 16:17 |
| rsalveti | yeah, that would be good to have fixed | 16:17 |
| GrueMaster | Yes, that was next on my list (after release testing). | 16:17 |
| janimo | ogra_, I installed those by hand, but I did not research the actual command line incantation to make them all work together | 16:17 |
| ogra_ | (though thats less kernel and more UCM stuff) | 16:17 |
| rsalveti | yeah | 16:17 |
| ogra_ | janimo, yeah, as i said, O material | 16:18 |
| rsalveti | any other kernel related question or comment? | 16:18 |
| ogra_ | we should release note it though | 16:18 |
| GrueMaster | I wonder if oem-config will start wifi on the headless images? It sees the nic. | 16:19 |
| rsalveti | not related with kernel, but u-boot is broken with beagle <= B5 | 16:19 |
| * ogra_ thinks headless got way further than expected | 16:19 | |
| ogra_ | GrueMaster, it would if all tools would be there | 16:19 |
| rsalveti | bug 760350 | 16:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 760350 in u-boot-linaro (Ubuntu Natty) "2011.03 doesn't boot anymore on Beagle B5" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/760350 | 16:19 |
| GrueMaster | ah | 16:19 |
| ogra_ | move ? | 16:20 |
| GrueMaster | rsalveti: On that, I think you are the only one with that older board, which means you are the sole QA guy for it. | 16:20 |
| ogra_ | haha | 16:20 |
| rsalveti | GrueMaster: that's fine | 16:21 |
| rsalveti | I'm working with jcrigby to have that fixed | 16:21 |
| rsalveti | but should be also in the release notes | 16:21 |
| rsalveti | for beta-2, if it's still possible | 16:21 |
| rsalveti | move? | 16:22 |
| ogra_ | hmm, i wasnt even pinged by skaet for release note editing this time | 16:22 |
| * ogra_ will try to find out about it | 16:22 | |
| rsalveti | NCommander: and please, add ppisati at the kernel topic | 16:22 |
| ogra_ | ++ | 16:22 |
| GrueMaster | They were having network issues late yesterday. I think she's still climbing out from that. | 16:22 |
| NCommander | [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) | 16:23 |
| MootBot | New Topic: ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) | 16:23 |
| janimo | fixed a few FTBFS in main | 16:23 |
| janimo | gnome-games fix pending (upload in moderation queue) | 16:23 |
| ogra_ | doko pointed to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20110419-arm/+builds?build_text=&build_state=failed today | 16:24 |
| janimo | given up on universe for natty = the remaining ones are all nasty or intrusive | 16:24 |
| ogra_ | thats gcc 4.6 rebuilds for oneric prep | 16:24 |
| janimo | or impossible due to slow swapping builders | 16:24 |
| ogra_ | we should monitor it to beable to fix ftbfs early | 16:25 |
| janimo | 3 FTBFS and only at the letter A. A good start | 16:25 |
| ogra_ | heh, yeah | 16:25 |
| ogra_ | move ? | 16:26 |
| NCommander | [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) | 16:27 |
| MootBot | New Topic: ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) | 16:27 |
| ogra_ | beta2 is on cdimage | 16:27 |
| ogra_ | what else should i say :) | 16:27 |
| GrueMaster | Community images need some work (i.e. kubuntu-mobile). | 16:28 |
| ogra_ | what kind of work ? | 16:28 |
| rsalveti | ogra_: just tested the ti release ppa and it worked fine :-) | 16:28 |
| ogra_ | apart from app bugs | 16:28 |
| rsalveti | removed the icon and etc | 16:28 |
| ogra_ | rsalveti, awesome ! | 16:28 |
| GrueMaster | Aside from package issues they are working on, the images are currently just for the rootfs. | 16:28 |
| rsalveti | for now it's basically the SGX driver | 16:29 |
| ogra_ | next release we'll remove the hacks | 16:29 |
| rsalveti | spec for that? | 16:29 |
| ogra_ | for fixing hacks ? | 16:29 |
| ogra_ | nah | 16:29 |
| rsalveti | again heheh | 16:29 |
| ogra_ | i'll just do it | 16:29 |
| ogra_ | GrueMaster, hmm, that sounds like missing bits in livecd-rootfs | 16:30 |
| ogra_ | i fear nothing we can fix pre-natty | 16:30 |
| ogra_ | i added a spec idea for community images btw | 16:30 |
| ogra_ | anyway, move unless there are more questions | 16:31 |
| GrueMaster | Well, they designed it that way for omap3 due to kernel miscommunication issues and they are going for Nokia n900 support. But their method is more work than if they had a complete image and overlayed with their bits. | 16:31 |
| GrueMaster | The way their images work now, I have to first flash the kubuntu-desktop image to SD then flash the kubuntu-mobile image to SD Partition 2. | 16:32 |
| ogra_ | GrueMaster, sounds like a spec idea "use a generic armel image and assemble finals through adding overlays" :) | 16:32 |
| GrueMaster | Very doable. | 16:32 |
| janimo | ogra_, isn't that the linaro hwpack approach? | 16:32 |
| ogra_ | well, add it to the ideas page | 16:32 |
| ogra_ | janimo, yes, but to implement that in the ubuntu buildsys it has to be very different | 16:33 |
| ogra_ | and the hwpacks are not images | 16:33 |
| rsalveti | yeah, that would be a good spec to implement | 16:33 |
| GrueMaster | We could easily support blaze with that method. | 16:33 |
| rsalveti | and if we could use linaro's hwpack it would be even better | 16:33 |
| rsalveti | but something to discuss during uds | 16:34 |
| ogra_ | well, we would still have to roll images for each board | 16:34 |
| ogra_ | rsalveti, we cant, unless we switch ubuntu to live-helper | 16:34 |
| ogra_ | and unless we start to use linaro kernels | 16:34 |
| ogra_ | which wont happen | 16:34 |
| ogra_ | but yeah, put it up for uds | 16:35 |
| rsalveti | :-) | 16:35 |
| ogra_ | spec ideas needs some content :) | 16:35 |
| GrueMaster | We continue to roll images for specific subarch (i.e. omap omap4). HW pack would overlay that image. | 16:35 |
| ogra_ | NCommander, hey, how about a softbootloader | 16:35 |
| * ogra_ hides | 16:35 | |
| * rsalveti also hides | 16:35 | |
| NCommander | ogra_: I'm going to beat you at UDS | 16:35 |
| ogra_ | heh | 16:35 |
| ogra_ | move ? | 16:36 |
| NCommander | [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster) | 16:36 |
| MootBot | New Topic: QA Status (GrueMaster) | 16:36 |
| GrueMaster | I added the idea to the wiki. | 16:36 |
| GrueMaster | Oh, that's me. | 16:37 |
| GrueMaster | Release testing was much smother this week than it was two weeks ago. Only major glitch was oem-config-debconf on headless. | 16:37 |
| davidm | Hello | 16:37 |
| GrueMaster | Which was quickly fixed. | 16:37 |
| ogra_ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/594061/ is a list of bugs i'm monitoring for release (and what i will put into release team report) | 16:37 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://paste.ubuntu.com/594061/ is a list of bugs i'm monitoring for release (and what i will put into release team report) | 16:37 |
| ogra_ | most were mentioned above already | 16:38 |
| ogra_ | shout if i'm missing any | 16:38 |
| davidm | sorry guys had to eat breakfast | 16:38 |
| rsalveti | ogra_: I believe that list should cover almost everything | 16:38 |
| ogra_ | good | 16:38 |
| GrueMaster | Why is the edid detection SRU only? Kernel freeze is next week. | 16:38 |
| ogra_ | kernel team denied inclusion already | 16:39 |
| ogra_ | shout at tgardner :P | 16:39 |
| davidm | because OMAP 3 is in the main line brance | 16:39 |
| ogra_ | thats also omap4 | 16:39 |
| davidm | branch that is, would have to retest x86 | 16:39 |
| rsalveti | he's fine for omap 4 | 16:39 |
| ogra_ | ah, k | 16:39 |
| davidm | Yes we are clear to do what we want in OMAP 4 but not OMAP 3 | 16:40 |
| rsalveti | too close for omap 3, that's why will send it upstream to get more feedback | 16:40 |
| rsalveti | with more feedback the sru could be feasible | 16:40 |
| davidm | So SRU for OMAP 3 | 16:40 |
| ogra_ | well, omap4 still has rebase issues | 16:40 |
| skaet | ogra_, did ping on irc, but seems to have not gotten through. :( Draft of release notes are in usual place. Can you cross check that the key bugs found in your pastebin are mentioned, and the ones there are appropriate? | 16:40 |
| ogra_ | seems the idea to base off linaro trees wasnt that clever :P | 16:40 |
| davidm | yes I hope TI sorts rebase issues soonish | 16:40 |
| ogra_ | skaet, will do, thanks | 16:41 |
| rsalveti | ogra_: problem is the way linaro is handling the tree | 16:41 |
| davidm | Yes we may release late I suspect | 16:41 |
| ogra_ | yes | 16:41 |
| rsalveti | it's not doing rebases, but merges | 16:41 |
| ogra_ | i know | 16:41 |
| ogra_ | its sad since we are ready for release | 16:41 |
| davidm | Very frustrating for sure | 16:41 |
| ogra_ | having to delay because of a maintenance issue is really odd | 16:41 |
| ogra_ | but lets see, apw made some suggestions that looked good | 16:42 |
| ogra_ | so it might make the release | 16:42 |
| davidm | I really hope so | 16:42 |
| ogra_ | sound is sadly in a very bad state still | 16:42 |
| davidm | I really am upset about sound, that should have been sorted a while ago | 16:43 |
| ogra_ | yep | 16:43 |
| ogra_ | and in a better way than sending half breeded patches | 16:43 |
| NCommander | ogra_: breeded? | 16:44 |
| ogra_ | it might still get solved, its my main focus and diwic helps where he can | 16:44 |
| ogra_ | but the code coming from TI is very immature yet | 16:44 |
| ogra_ | NCommander, yeah, from thepatch farm :P | 16:44 |
| ogra_ | move ? | 16:45 |
| NCommander | ogra_: I think someone needs to explain the turth about whre patches come from :-P | 16:45 |
| NCommander | [topic] AOB | 16:45 |
| MootBot | New Topic: AOB | 16:45 |
| ogra_ | NCommander, you mean the patch-birds and -bees ? | 16:46 |
| davidm | Ha | 16:46 |
| davidm | By the by folks, it's that time again...... -->Blueprints<-- We need to start hitting that hard please | 16:46 |
| ogra_ | people: add more stuff to the spec ideas wikipage | 16:47 |
| ogra_ | snap :P | 16:47 |
| davidm | :-) | 16:47 |
| NCommander | ogra_: I think we need a patch for your brain. | 16:47 |
| ogra_ | well, a vacation might do already ;) | 16:48 |
| davidm | We will be sharing our BP on ARM, MISC and Hardware tracks I think | 16:48 |
| NCommander | BP? | 16:48 |
| ogra_ | and blowing some compressed air from ear to ear | 16:48 |
| ogra_ | NCommander, blueprints | 16:48 |
| NCommander | oh | 16:48 |
| ogra_ | davidm, do you have a deadline ? | 16:48 |
| davidm | Well I'm getting asked when we will have them, my response is as soon as we can, release is prio | 16:49 |
| janimo | ogra_, link to ideas page again please? | 16:49 |
| GrueMaster | janimo: It is in the #arm topic | 16:49 |
| janimo | GrueMaster, thanks | 16:50 |
| davidm | So really the worst case would be the week before UDS but really needs sooner if at all possible | 16:51 |
| GrueMaster | Sooner for scheduling. | 16:51 |
| ogra_ | before release we should have the rough list if possible | 16:51 |
| davidm | Yes that would be good | 16:52 |
| ogra_ | and even if you thinnk your idea is silly, just add it | 16:52 |
| ogra_ | we can remove stuff later | 16:53 |
| ogra_ | (and laugh about you) :P | 16:53 |
| davidm | We should be able I hope to take more rough edges off ARM this time | 16:54 |
| * ogra_ would like to thank the team for such a nice cooperative beta2 work ... that was a really nice milestone and a lot of fun to work on this time | 16:54 | |
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| ogra_ | it really felt like we're working as a team :) | 16:54 |
| GrueMaster | Yes, it was. | 16:54 |
| * davidm thinks this a great | 16:54 | |
| davidm | I have to run, session starting and I don't want to miss it. | 16:55 |
| ogra_ | ciao then | 16:55 |
| davidm | ciao | 16:55 |
| NCommander | I think we're done, no? | 16:55 |
| * ogra_ waits for NCommander to fill the remaining 5min with singing and dancing for our amusement | 16:55 | |
| NCommander | anything else? | 16:55 |
| GrueMaster | ogra_: Please, no! | 16:56 |
| ogra_ | lol | 16:56 |
| ogra_ | well, then lets just close ;) | 16:56 |
| NCommander | ogra_: I'm going to beat you at UDS, and then I'm going to put it on YouTube under CC-SA | 16:56 |
| NCommander | so the rest of the world can enjoy it :-P | 16:56 |
| ogra_ | NCommander, try it :D | 16:56 |
| NCommander | anyway | 16:57 |
| NCommander | Closing in 3 | 16:57 |
| NCommander | 2 | 16:57 |
| NCommander | 1 | 16:57 |
| NCommander | #endmeeting | 16:57 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 10:57. | 16:57 |
| janimo | NCommander, people will appreciate you allow commercial use for said video | 16:58 |
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