=== yofel_ is now known as yofel === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ayrton is now known as court_jester === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === thermi is now known as Thermi === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === doko_ is now known as doko [15:55] froople [15:59] #startmeeting [15:59] Meeting started at 09:59. The chair is NCommander. [15:59] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [15:59] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110414#preview [15:59] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110414#preview [15:59] * rsalveti waves [15:59] raise your hand if your here [15:59] o/ [16:00] o/ [16:00] * GrueMaster is properly caffeinated and present. [16:00] k [16:00] we have no standing action items from last week [16:00] [topic] Standing Items [16:00] New Topic: Standing Items [16:00] * ogra_ tickles janimo and DavidLevin [16:00] err [16:00] davidm := [16:00] :) [16:01] hello [16:01] [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html [16:01] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html [16:01] NCommander, whats that one item you have still open there ? [16:01] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-ubuntu-11.04-beta-2.html [16:01] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-ubuntu-11.04-beta-2.html [16:01] dokos is c losed [16:01] haha, it's mine [16:01] will close [16:01] forgot about this one [16:02] rsajdok, i meant NCommanders Wi [16:02] ogra_: it is has me test the chinese edition of Ubuntu [16:02] grmbl [16:02] NCommander, ah, the description sounds weird [16:02] but we look great there imho :) [16:02] ogra_: yeah, I don't think I hsould have it, but it isn't in a spec I can edit + it refers to other people so I'm basically ingoring it [16:03] yeah, i think you can [16:03] though its bad that you cant even postpone or close it without them [16:04] well, but essentially we're done ... and 87 WIs closed for this cycle doesnt look to bad [16:04] move ? [16:04] ogra_: I keep forgetting to poke the spec owner before I poke the WI [16:04] oh, wait [16:04] should we dicuss the O spec ideas here ? [16:05] (did anyone apart from me add any yet ? i think there is a deadline soon) [16:05] * NCommander hasn't [16:05] not yet, was busy with beta-2 [16:05] we should know about the deadline [16:05] NCommander, you said you wanted to work on the archive skew stuff, would probably make a good spec after talking to cjohnston [16:05] GRRR !!!!!!!!! [16:05] to cjwatson [16:06] rsalveti, there was mail somewhere tlaking about it [16:06] ogra_: tab complete is not your friend [16:06] * ogra_ forgot where or when [16:06] NCommander, totally not today :( [16:06] ogra_: I've had ideas about it, just haven't taken pen to paper so to speak [16:06] NCommander, i know colin has a plan ready but no time to implement it [16:06] would need someone willing to touch soyuz indeed [16:07] and it would be a massive improvement, for all of us [16:07] mostly for GrueMaster thoughm since he would have images all the time ;) [16:07] ogra_: I'll poke cjwatson [16:07] cool [16:07] [action] NCommander to poke cjwatson on soyuz archive skew plan [16:07] That would be a nice change. [16:07] ACTION received: NCommander to poke cjwatson on soyuz archive skew plan [16:08] i looked through brainstorm too today to find any spec ideas [16:08] but thats mostly useless [16:08] [topic] Unity 2D status [16:08] New Topic: Unity 2D status [16:08] upstream is working on remaining bugs and want to proviode me a package before 19th [16:09] not sure it will make it in or become SRU ... up to release team then [16:09] ogra_: we're at the point we should probably be prepared to do SRUs [16:09] well, i'll upload in any case as long as i can [16:09] if its rejected we can still make it an SRU [16:09] ogra_: of course [16:09] uploads are possible until 21st as i understood skaet's mail [16:10] wether they are accepted is another story ;) [16:10] move [16:10] (unless anyone has anything else for u-2d) [16:10] [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti) [16:10] New Topic: Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti) [16:11] there will be one new update soon, with stable updates and more bug fixes [16:11] the mem instability issue seems to be finally gone [16:11] tested over 3 days doing kernel build with 1g and our current kernel and it was fine [16:11] with the current cmdline ? [16:11] didn't check our current image, but I believe ogra_ changed the default boot args already [16:11] or just mem=1G [16:12] yeah, bootargs are set to 980M or so [16:12] or 960 [16:12] ogra_: I tested with 1G, so it should be fine with less [16:12] rsalveti, is the omap4 sgx work going in as well? So no both 3d accel and wifi will work w/o a PPA? [16:12] janimo: it's in the release ppa already [16:12] wifi works now. [16:12] there's still one driver update, that I'm planning to finish until the end of this week [16:12] w/o ppa [16:12] wifi should work by default [16:13] with upstream driver [16:13] GrueMaster, not in headless :( [16:13] headless can be configured to use wifi manually. [16:13] we miss a bunch of wireless tools [16:13] ogra_: we should have a cmd line mode for NM [16:13] we do [16:13] there is a tool [16:14] lets make sure we have it in the image in oneric [16:14] also, another bug that had a fix (more a workaround) is the page allocation errors [16:14] ogra_: sure [16:14] yeah [16:14] rsalveti: cool. [16:14] that should help both omap3 and 4 [16:14] rsalveti, I mean no ppa at all but official archives [16:14] there is still bug 746133 [16:14] Launchpad bug 746133 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu) "Video loses sync on omap4" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746133 [16:14] janimo: if I get the "final" driver version ready soon, I'll try to push to the archive [16:15] but that depends if IMG is not releasing another one [16:15] and bug 758961 [16:15] Launchpad bug 758961 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu) "WARNING: at /build/buildd/linux-ti-omap4-2.6.38/drivers/tty/tty_mutex.c:31 tty_lock 0x30/0x4c()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/758961 [16:15] ogra_, I could not get wifi working either with nmcli only [16:15] the second one (warning) should be gone with the new pull request [16:15] janimo, i think we are missing wireless-tools and wpa-supplicant [16:15] janimo: it's working, but not stable atm [16:15] janimo, something to research for O [16:15] the new pull request should also bring some fixes for it [16:16] (i dont even think iwconfig was installed when i tested) [16:16] seems the "only" bug now is this related with the video losing sync [16:17] GrueMaster, do you still plan to look into bug 651302 ? possibly for an SRU ? [16:17] Launchpad bug 651302 in Ubuntu Natty "No sound in omap (beagle, beagleXM)." [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651302 [16:17] yeah, that would be good to have fixed [16:17] Yes, that was next on my list (after release testing). [16:17] ogra_, I installed those by hand, but I did not research the actual command line incantation to make them all work together [16:17] (though thats less kernel and more UCM stuff) [16:17] yeah [16:18] janimo, yeah, as i said, O material [16:18] any other kernel related question or comment? [16:18] we should release note it though [16:19] I wonder if oem-config will start wifi on the headless images? It sees the nic. [16:19] not related with kernel, but u-boot is broken with beagle <= B5 [16:19] * ogra_ thinks headless got way further than expected [16:19] GrueMaster, it would if all tools would be there [16:19] bug 760350 [16:19] Launchpad bug 760350 in u-boot-linaro (Ubuntu Natty) "2011.03 doesn't boot anymore on Beagle B5" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/760350 [16:19] ah [16:20] move ? [16:20] rsalveti: On that, I think you are the only one with that older board, which means you are the sole QA guy for it. [16:20] haha [16:21] GrueMaster: that's fine [16:21] I'm working with jcrigby to have that fixed [16:21] but should be also in the release notes [16:21] for beta-2, if it's still possible [16:22] move? [16:22] hmm, i wasnt even pinged by skaet for release note editing this time [16:22] * ogra_ will try to find out about it [16:22] NCommander: and please, add ppisati at the kernel topic [16:22] ++ [16:22] They were having network issues late yesterday. I think she's still climbing out from that. [16:23] [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) [16:23] New Topic: ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) [16:23] fixed a few FTBFS in main [16:23] gnome-games fix pending (upload in moderation queue) [16:24] doko pointed to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20110419-arm/+builds?build_text=&build_state=failed today [16:24] given up on universe for natty = the remaining ones are all nasty or intrusive [16:24] thats gcc 4.6 rebuilds for oneric prep [16:24] or impossible due to slow swapping builders [16:25] we should monitor it to beable to fix ftbfs early [16:25] 3 FTBFS and only at the letter A. A good start [16:25] heh, yeah [16:26] move ? [16:27] [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) [16:27] New Topic: ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) [16:27] beta2 is on cdimage [16:27] what else should i say :) [16:28] Community images need some work (i.e. kubuntu-mobile). [16:28] what kind of work ? [16:28] ogra_: just tested the ti release ppa and it worked fine :-) [16:28] apart from app bugs [16:28] removed the icon and etc [16:28] rsalveti, awesome ! [16:28] Aside from package issues they are working on, the images are currently just for the rootfs. [16:29] for now it's basically the SGX driver [16:29] next release we'll remove the hacks [16:29] spec for that? [16:29] for fixing hacks ? [16:29] nah [16:29] again heheh [16:29] i'll just do it [16:30] GrueMaster, hmm, that sounds like missing bits in livecd-rootfs [16:30] i fear nothing we can fix pre-natty [16:30] i added a spec idea for community images btw [16:31] anyway, move unless there are more questions [16:31] Well, they designed it that way for omap3 due to kernel miscommunication issues and they are going for Nokia n900 support. But their method is more work than if they had a complete image and overlayed with their bits. [16:32] The way their images work now, I have to first flash the kubuntu-desktop image to SD then flash the kubuntu-mobile image to SD Partition 2. [16:32] GrueMaster, sounds like a spec idea "use a generic armel image and assemble finals through adding overlays" :) [16:32] Very doable. [16:32] ogra_, isn't that the linaro hwpack approach? [16:32] well, add it to the ideas page [16:33] janimo, yes, but to implement that in the ubuntu buildsys it has to be very different [16:33] and the hwpacks are not images [16:33] yeah, that would be a good spec to implement [16:33] We could easily support blaze with that method. [16:33] and if we could use linaro's hwpack it would be even better [16:34] but something to discuss during uds [16:34] well, we would still have to roll images for each board [16:34] rsalveti, we cant, unless we switch ubuntu to live-helper [16:34] and unless we start to use linaro kernels [16:34] which wont happen [16:35] but yeah, put it up for uds [16:35] :-) [16:35] spec ideas needs some content :) [16:35] We continue to roll images for specific subarch (i.e. omap omap4). HW pack would overlay that image. [16:35] NCommander, hey, how about a softbootloader [16:35] * ogra_ hides [16:35] * rsalveti also hides [16:35] ogra_: I'm going to beat you at UDS [16:35] heh [16:36] move ? [16:36] [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster) [16:36] New Topic: QA Status (GrueMaster) [16:36] I added the idea to the wiki. [16:37] Oh, that's me. [16:37] Release testing was much smother this week than it was two weeks ago. Only major glitch was oem-config-debconf on headless. [16:37] Hello [16:37] Which was quickly fixed. [16:37] http://paste.ubuntu.com/594061/ is a list of bugs i'm monitoring for release (and what i will put into release team report) [16:37] LINK received: http://paste.ubuntu.com/594061/ is a list of bugs i'm monitoring for release (and what i will put into release team report) [16:38] most were mentioned above already [16:38] shout if i'm missing any [16:38] sorry guys had to eat breakfast [16:38] ogra_: I believe that list should cover almost everything [16:38] good [16:38] Why is the edid detection SRU only? Kernel freeze is next week. [16:39] kernel team denied inclusion already [16:39] shout at tgardner :P [16:39] because OMAP 3 is in the main line brance [16:39] thats also omap4 [16:39] branch that is, would have to retest x86 [16:39] he's fine for omap 4 [16:39] ah, k [16:40] Yes we are clear to do what we want in OMAP 4 but not OMAP 3 [16:40] too close for omap 3, that's why will send it upstream to get more feedback [16:40] with more feedback the sru could be feasible [16:40] So SRU for OMAP 3 [16:40] well, omap4 still has rebase issues [16:40] ogra_, did ping on irc, but seems to have not gotten through. :( Draft of release notes are in usual place. Can you cross check that the key bugs found in your pastebin are mentioned, and the ones there are appropriate? [16:40] seems the idea to base off linaro trees wasnt that clever :P [16:40] yes I hope TI sorts rebase issues soonish [16:41] skaet, will do, thanks [16:41] ogra_: problem is the way linaro is handling the tree [16:41] Yes we may release late I suspect [16:41] yes [16:41] it's not doing rebases, but merges [16:41] i know [16:41] its sad since we are ready for release [16:41] Very frustrating for sure [16:41] having to delay because of a maintenance issue is really odd [16:42] but lets see, apw made some suggestions that looked good [16:42] so it might make the release [16:42] I really hope so [16:42] sound is sadly in a very bad state still [16:43] I really am upset about sound, that should have been sorted a while ago [16:43] yep [16:43] and in a better way than sending half breeded patches [16:44] ogra_: breeded? [16:44] it might still get solved, its my main focus and diwic helps where he can [16:44] but the code coming from TI is very immature yet [16:44] NCommander, yeah, from thepatch farm :P [16:45] move ? [16:45] ogra_: I think someone needs to explain the turth about whre patches come from :-P [16:45] [topic] AOB [16:45] New Topic: AOB [16:46] NCommander, you mean the patch-birds and -bees ? [16:46] Ha [16:46] By the by folks, it's that time again...... -->Blueprints<-- We need to start hitting that hard please [16:47] people: add more stuff to the spec ideas wikipage [16:47] snap :P [16:47] :-) [16:47] ogra_: I think we need a patch for your brain. [16:48] well, a vacation might do already ;) [16:48] We will be sharing our BP on ARM, MISC and Hardware tracks I think [16:48] BP? [16:48] and blowing some compressed air from ear to ear [16:48] NCommander, blueprints [16:48] oh [16:48] davidm, do you have a deadline ? [16:49] Well I'm getting asked when we will have them, my response is as soon as we can, release is prio [16:49] ogra_, link to ideas page again please? [16:49] janimo: It is in the #arm topic [16:50] GrueMaster, thanks [16:51] So really the worst case would be the week before UDS but really needs sooner if at all possible [16:51] Sooner for scheduling. [16:51] before release we should have the rough list if possible [16:52] Yes that would be good [16:52] and even if you thinnk your idea is silly, just add it [16:53] we can remove stuff later [16:53] (and laugh about you) :P [16:54] We should be able I hope to take more rough edges off ARM this time [16:54] * ogra_ would like to thank the team for such a nice cooperative beta2 work ... that was a really nice milestone and a lot of fun to work on this time === chuck_ is now known as zul [16:54] it really felt like we're working as a team :) [16:54] Yes, it was. [16:54] * davidm thinks this a great [16:55] I have to run, session starting and I don't want to miss it. [16:55] ciao then [16:55] ciao [16:55] I think we're done, no? [16:55] * ogra_ waits for NCommander to fill the remaining 5min with singing and dancing for our amusement [16:55] anything else? [16:56] ogra_: Please, no! [16:56] lol [16:56] well, then lets just close ;) [16:56] ogra_: I'm going to beat you at UDS, and then I'm going to put it on YouTube under CC-SA [16:56] so the rest of the world can enjoy it :-P [16:56] NCommander, try it :D [16:57] anyway [16:57] Closing in 3 [16:57] 2 [16:57] 1 [16:57] #endmeeting [16:57] Meeting finished at 10:57. 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