[00:00] <jibel> stgraber, highvoltage can you test Edubuntu on i386 ?
[00:02] <stgraber> jibel: yeah, I have it almost downloaded
[00:03] <jibel> stgraber, great thanks
[00:03] <jibel> I'll upload myself to my bed then! see you all
[00:04] <stgraber> skaet, patrickmw: LTSP amd64 confirmed to work, finally :)
[00:04] <patrickmw> stgraber, good stuff.
[00:12] <patrickmw> jibel, what's the word on edubuntu dvd i386?
[00:12] <patrickmw> jibel, was there a defect that needs to be validated?
[00:17] <highvoltage> jibel, patrickmw: stgraber is testing edubuntu dvd i386
[00:23] <stgraber> well, I'll in 50s when it's done downloading :)
[00:23] <stgraber> patrickmw: Live LTSP and installed LTSP both need checking on Edubuntu
[00:23] <skaet> stgraber  :)
[00:53] <stgraber> patrickmw: both Edubuntu images will be rebuilt
[00:53] <patrickmw> stgraber: awwww
[00:54] <stgraber> patrickmw: livefs was completely out of date on i386 due to a ltsp issue (same one I fixed this afternoon apparently) and part of the i386 build is used in the amd64 one. So both will have to be tested again.
[10:34] <jibel> hi all, powerpc and amd64+mac images have been rebuilt yesterday, anyone to smoke test it a bit and ensure that there's no regression ?
[10:35] <chadadavis> jibel, I just reburnt the CDs, I'm gonna try to cover ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-alternate, kubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-alternate
[10:35] <jibel> chadadavis, awesome. Many thanks!
[10:35]  * jibel starting ubuntustudio i386
[10:36] <jibel> and amd64
[11:49] <Riddell> jibel: I take it you didn't come across bug 712612 on your kubuntu upgrade tests?
[11:49] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 712612 in kubuntu-meta (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "No background after kubuntu upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04 (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/712612
[11:50] <jibel> Riddell, no, it's fixed. Closing it, thanks
[11:50] <Riddell> groovy
[11:58] <jibel> ubuntustudio all done !
[12:26] <cjwatson> jibel: did it pass?
[12:37] <cjwatson> ... apparently so
[13:07] <jibel> cjwatson, yes it did
[13:42] <primes2h> Hi jibel. :-)
[13:42] <primes2h> It seems that Beta 2 is out. http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.04/
[13:45] <jibel> Hey primes2h , not announced yet. this is just a pre-publishing.
[13:49] <chadadavis> Those are from the current images then? Barring any show-stopping bugs, I assume?
[13:51] <primes2h> jibel: oh, ok. thanks.
[13:53] <jibel> chadadavis, correct.  primes2h it would be nice to push the button and instantly publish the images with the announcement.
[13:56] <primes2h> jibel: I know, maybe using a script? ;-)
[13:57] <psalden> if you got the first beta installed, it will just update to what the second has to offer, no?
[14:06] <jibel> psalden, if you have a previous milestone installed and updated regularly then you're already running the latest packages available in Natty.
[14:07] <psalden> cool, thanks for the confirmation
[14:08] <psalden> I did read a faq or so explaining all this too some time last week, but I can't find it anymore
[14:51] <cjwatson> primes2h: it is of course largely scripted.  however since mirrors pull from the public site, it's not possible for the announcement to be simultaneous with publishing images.
[14:51] <cjwatson> primes2h: unless you want everyone to pull from the central site and get really slow download rates.
[14:54] <primes2h> cjwatson: sure, I mean, I was talking about images on the tracker :-)
[14:55] <primes2h> cjwatson: images/milestones
[14:56] <jibel> Riddell, do you know someone who could test kubuntu on powerpc and check that nothing broke with the latest build ?
[14:57] <Riddell> tm_t is our usual tester
[15:07] <cjwatson> jibel,Riddell: though the desktop image will probably fail to install due to bug 756719
[15:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 756719 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Natty) (and 3 other projects) "PowerPC Natty Beta LiveCD Hangs Bad Mirror (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/756719
[15:07] <cjwatson> (correct status on choose-mirror: Medium,Fix Committed)
[15:51] <charlie-tca> hm, webupd8 beat OMG! Ubuntu on the beta2 announcement?
[15:57] <jibel> charlie-tca, there's no announcement because it is not released. They simply make noise by blogging about the mirror sync.
[16:03] <charlie-tca> yeah, I know
[16:03] <charlie-tca> It's kind of funny to watch them make their announcements, though
[16:17] <jibel> chadadavis, do you think you can boot a desktop and alternate image on amd64+mac ? maybe overcautious there, but expect the unexpected
[16:19] <chadadavis> jibel, I'm on the last kubuntu-desktop right now (sorry, CDROMs are a bit slower). Then I'll do one ubuntu-desktop then one ubuntu-alternate, before doing the remaining ones.
[16:20] <jibel> chadadavis, ok, perfect.
[16:21]  * jibel would be happy to help but doesn't have this arch in his basement :/
[16:23] <chadadavis> jibel, no problem. Would be no problem if I could do two VMs in parallel, like I can on the PC. PS: against what package would you file a bug if the Mac doesn't boot the images from USB? usb-creator I guess?
[16:24] <jibel> yes if you created it with usb-creator
[17:54] <jibel> hggdh, do you know why EC2 EBS and Instance US are untested ?
[17:54] <hggdh> no, will check with James
[17:54] <hggdh> jibel: ^
[17:59] <jibel> hggdh, looks like a problem to reach the archive
[17:59] <jibel> W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/us-west-1.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_natty_main_source_Sources  Hash Sum mismatch
[18:01] <hggdh> jibel: jamespage | hggdh: OK - all regions aside from us-* tested - however archive checksum issues in those regions which means we can't test
[18:02] <jibel> hggdh, okay thanks!
[18:02] <hggdh> jibel: the matrix (I do not know if you have it): http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu-uk.org/view/natty-ec2/job/natty_server_ec2/9/
[18:04] <jibel> hggdh, that's what I was looking. Do you think you could do an export from jenkins for server tests (u-server and ec2), so I can update the tracker automatically ?
[18:05] <hggdh> jibel: this is part of what we want to get decided & done for next cycle
[18:06] <hggdh> jibel: but, right now, my position is 'hell yes, I am tired of clicking buttons and copying & pasting from Jenkins to tracker'
[18:07] <jibel> heh
[18:28] <skaet> hggdh:  +1  on that position.  :)
[18:48] <patrickmw> jibel, what's the bug you were getting while setting up raid 1 with server i386?
[18:49] <patrickmw> jibel, I seem to have a problem with the installer removing my partition settings on disk 1 when I change the settings on disk 2
[19:28] <bdmurray> patrickmw: Are you planning on submitting separate bugs for LP: #760275?
[19:28] <bdmurray> bug 760275
[19:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 760275 in Ubuntu Natty (and 2 other projects) "simplified chinese has missing label translations for applets (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/760275
[19:31] <skaet> chadadavis, any feedback on the smoketest of the amd64+mac images?
[19:31] <skaet> jibel, ^,  ?
[19:33] <penguinbait> I am working with an arm image and I finally have X working, is there a way to reset it to do the installer on boot, its not booting directly to X with no users or setup, how can I force instller to run on boot?
[19:35] <penguinbait> sorry its NOW booting into X with no users
[19:38] <chadadavis> skaet, no regressions on Mac. The installer will hang if a previous install ruined the partition table, but that probably still falls under the original bug 758658
[19:38] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 758658 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Natty) (and 2 other projects) "Natty slideshow uses en_GB for all English users (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/758658
[19:39] <chadadavis> Oops, hold on ...
[19:39] <chadadavis> Bug 746313
[19:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 746313 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Natty) (and 3 other projects) "partman should reuse existing BIOS Boot Partition (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746313
[19:43] <skaet> thanks chadadavis.
[19:43] <chadadavis> And I'm having a few small issues that I can't yet quantify when using persistent USB storage with the live CD, but I'm still looking into it.
[20:03] <bdmurray> chadadavis: like what?
[20:05] <jibel> skaet, Tm_T is giving a test run to powerpc
[20:05] <skaet> chadadavis, jibel - trying to figure out if it should be ship/not based on that partman issue.   Are you +1 on shipping (kubuntu alternate/desktop, ubuntu alternate/desktop for amd64+mac)
[20:08] <chadadavis> bdmurray, sudo was failing with 'can't get current working directory' when on persistent USB.
[20:08] <bdmurray> chadadavis: what was the exact command you were using?
[20:08] <chadadavis> sudo reboot
[20:09] <chadadavis> From /home/ubuntu
[20:09] <bdmurray> chadadavis: thanks, I'll look into that
[20:09] <chadadavis> Also had problems starting firefox from the launcher, though it started fine from the command line. Can't yet tell if that's related.
[20:10] <bdmurray> there was a sudo update recently that I was involved in so I'm curious about that
[20:10] <chadadavis> skaet, it would be a shame to not ship on mac. It's a serious issue, but it only occurs when splitting a partition, i.e .when you have multiple instances of Linux on a mac, which seems like a very rare use case. I've been doing graphics card testing and using the mac often. The rest of the system is quite stable.
[20:11] <skaet> thanks chadadavis,  thats what I was wanting to know.  :)
[20:13] <chadadavis> skaet, if the release notes warn not to use LVM and warn not to use multiple Linux instances, that would probably be sufficient, no?
[20:13] <bdmurray> chadadavis: actually I don't think that version of sudo is out yet
[20:13] <skaet> chadadavis,  yup.
[20:16] <jibel> chadadavis, I agree.
[20:16] <jibel> skaet, really make it clear about the 2 cases that doesn't pass.
[20:17] <skaet> jibel,  just a sec, and I'll cut and paste... here
[20:19] <skaet>  * When installing the amd64+mac version, there are known issues around splitting partitions that are being worked.  Please avoid using LVM and multiple linux instances at this time. (Bug:745960, Bug:746313)
[20:19] <skaet> jibel, chadadavis ^^ clear?  or does it need tweaks?
[20:22] <jibel> skaet, it's not 'Please avoid', but rather 'Do not use'
[20:23] <skaet> jibel.  ok, will reword.  Thanks!
[20:23] <chadadavis> skaet, the partition splitting is maybe more complicated than necessary. "Do not use LVM with amd64+mac and do not install multiple instances of Linux side-by-side on amd64+mac." ?
[20:24] <chadadavis> I.e. partition splitting works, if someone wants a separate /home, that's OK. Might be confusing otherwise.
[20:24] <skaet> chaddavis,  gotcha,  adjusting
[20:26] <skaet> When installing the amd64+mac version, please do not use LVM.  Also avoid using multiple linux instances at this time. (Bug:745960, Bug:746313)
[20:26] <skaet> ok?
[20:28] <chadadavis> skaet, sounds clear to me.
[20:29] <skaet> chadadavis,   Its in the release notes now.  :)
[20:29] <jibel> skaet, ok
[20:31] <chadadavis> skaet, great. It's very impressive how well Natty works on Mac. Glad it's not being dropped.
[20:41] <cjwatson> skaet: yeah, I agree with chadadavis that this is serious but not stop-ship
[20:41] <cjwatson> (and it's on my to-do)
[20:41] <patrickmw> bdmurray: affirmative on that translations bug
[20:42] <skaet> chadadavis, cjwatson.  :)
[20:55] <mouzil> hello?
[20:56] <charlie-tca> Hello, moustafa
[20:56] <charlie-tca> hello, mouzil
[21:00] <mouzil> I've download ubuntu 11.04 beta2 and I'm wondering if this is the right channel to comment about problems
[21:01] <charlie-tca> support for it is #ubuntu+1, we do the testing here for each milestone, like alpha1, beta2
[21:01] <charlie-tca> What kind of problems?
[21:02] <charlie-tca> and when did you download?
[21:02] <mouzil> 1 hour ago
[21:04] <mouzil> I got this message after install: "It seems that you do not have the hardware requered to run Unity. Please choose Ubuntu Classic at the login screen and you will be using the traditional environment."
[21:05] <charlie-tca> That's not a problem, that is advisory message to say if yoou do not install your hardware video driver, you can not use Unity
[21:05] <charlie-tca> If your video card does not have a hardware driver, you need to select classic at the login screen.
[21:06] <mouzil> I undestan
[21:06] <mouzil> thank you
[21:06] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[21:06] <charlie-tca> Enjoy the new Ubuntu!
[21:32] <skaet> jibel and all who've helped test Natty Beta 2,  Thank you for your efforts!!!    Natty Beta 2 is now announced.   Mirrors are still synching up a bit to pick up those mac images, but rest should be in place.
[21:34] <jibel> Yay, thanks you chadadavis, charlie-tca, pedro_, hggdh, smoser, highvoltage, stgraber, fader_, ScottK, ptn107, starslights, njin, jamespage, primes2h, ogra, bdmurray, xdatap1, Letozaf_, totopalma, PatrickDK, homitsu, ricsipontaz, zul, kirkland, skaet, Fly82, RoAkSoAx, nobuto, Daviey, freefly, mdeslaur and kim0 for testing the ISOs.
[21:34] <jibel> that was a great testing session \o/
[21:34] <Patrickdk> heh, the retests got me :(
[21:34] <fader_> skaet, jibel: Thank you both, you rock! :D
[21:34] <charlie-tca> Thanks to jibel and skaet and cjwatson and pitti for all the effort!
[21:35] <Patrickdk> I had time on tuesday, but not yesterday :(
[21:35] <highvoltage> jibel: whohoo! \o/
[21:36] <jibel> and patrickmw and all who contributed to make Beta 2 a great milestone!
[21:47] <chadadavis> bdmurray: I may have found something regarding the sudo issue when using a persistent USB with the live CD.
[21:47] <bdmurray> chadadavis: okay
[21:48] <chadadavis> It seems to only occur when formatted with the "take ownership of filesystem" option, which is the default in palimsest. If that does what I think it does, then I guess it makes sense. Doesnt' seem like a sudo problem, though.