| HazRPG | anyone getting updates for KDE stuff when they're not running KDE on their desktop? | 03:22 |
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| HazRPG | ubuntu 10.10 | 03:22 |
| daubers | Morning | 08:04 |
| MooDoo | hello all | 08:07 |
| diplo | morning all | 08:13 |
| AlanBell | morning all | 08:21 |
| AlanBell | I just had my first github patch merged into the tweepy trunk | 08:21 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | wtf is tweepy? | 08:32 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | morning vtw | 08:32 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | s/vtw/btw | 08:32 |
| AlanBell | a python twitter API | 08:33 |
| AlanBell | I got cross with gwibber and the twitter web client so decided to take a more direct approach to tweeting | 08:33 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | gwibber is pretty bad... It's a hog and seems to lock up frequently. | 08:34 |
| AlanBell | loving DoctorMo's cartoon http://doctormo.deviantart.com/art/Groklaw-PJ-Tribute-204801749 | 08:34 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | hotot isn't bad | 08:34 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | lol | 08:34 |
| AlanBell | Velma was always my favourite | 08:35 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I was just reading about The Ceylon Project: http://blog.talawah.net/2011/04/gavin-king-unviels-red-hats-top-secret.html | 08:35 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | And I had a quick peek and vmwares new Open Source could thingy | 08:36 |
| AlanBell | s/and/at/ s/could/cloud/ ? | 08:36 |
| * AlanBell passes TheOpenSourcerer another espresso | 08:37 | |
| * TheOpenSourcerer goes and gets some new fingers | 08:38 | |
| TheOpenSourcerer | ... less fat ones. | 08:38 |
| AlanBell | looking at Ceylon I don't think it is very java++ | 08:43 |
| AlanBell | it is like one person customising java to the way they want it personally | 08:44 |
| AlanBell | and it isn't as nice and cuddly as python | 08:44 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | http://netpoetic.com/2011/04/unicode/ | 08:51 |
| bigcalm | Morning peeps | 08:56 |
| iulian | Morning. | 09:01 |
| dwatkins | moin moin | 09:06 |
| diplo | Anyone know of a way of listing users in a svn repo ? | 09:22 |
| diplo | svn-manager-users seems to show create / delete etc but not list | 09:22 |
| JamesTait | Tea and chocolate Hobnobs. What better way to bid you good morning? | 09:47 |
| === jamespage1 is now known as jamespage | ||
| BigRedS | JamesTait: Well, you could give me the tea and biscuits? :) | 09:52 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Hmm, think I need some moar caffeine (and probly a rich tea or two - that's all we have in the tin). | 09:53 |
| popey | morning all | 09:55 |
| bigcalm | Hi popey et al | 09:55 |
| oimon | regarding mobile phones - should i avoid a reseller that does a cashback as part of the deal? | 09:56 |
| bigcalm | JamesTait: a sausage and egg bap would help me start my day. Brown sauce thanks | 09:56 |
| popey | depends if you're gonna claim it or not | 09:56 |
| popey | oooo | 09:56 |
| popey | i had a choccy croissant | 09:56 |
| popey | and coffee | 09:56 |
| popey | and coffee | 09:56 |
| popey | :) | 09:56 |
| JamesTait | BigRedS: I just shared them with you, what more do you want? :-P | 09:57 |
| oimon | my friend did one with cashback and the seller convenient "went bust" and he didn't get the cash | 09:58 |
| JamesTait | bigcalm: I'll arrange that for you. I'll also go the extra mile and eat it for you, just to save you the effort. | 09:58 |
| bigcalm | \o/ | 10:02 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Interesting comparison between EC2 and Rackspace cloud services: http://gasoftwareblog.com/home/2011/3/31/amazon-ec2-vs-rackspace-are-all-cloud-hosting-services-the-s.html | 10:07 |
| BigRedS | oimon: I've known a few people do those with some success. No number porting, though. And it it really is the cheapest possible setup. Support etc. is terrible | 10:10 |
| BigRedS | s/is/was/ | 10:10 |
| oimon | BigRedS: this one is with phones4u | 10:11 |
| oimon | well, some other website they own , with better deals on :S | 10:11 |
| oimon | "a trading division of phones4u" | 10:12 |
| BigRedS | yeah, these were that sort of a thing. Just a child company spawned to do exactly that sort of thing. Still, if no-frills is fine and you're organised enough to send the right forms at the right time, it's all good | 10:13 |
| BigRedS | the lack of number porting would irritate the crap out of me, though | 10:14 |
| BigRedS | and I'm not organised.... | 10:14 |
| BigRedS | TheOpenSourcerer: that reads a bit like a Rackspace ad. Though I'm well aware that that might just be Rackspace just being way better than Amazon. | 10:14 |
| oimon | the number porting can be done by the network provider | 10:14 |
| BigRedS | oimon: ah yeah, as long as they say they'll do it you're fine | 10:15 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I was interested in that Rackspace will probably be running OpenStack (or something very close). | 10:15 |
| BigRedS | I'd hope so! It'd be a bit of a coup for $otherCloudPlatform if they're not :) | 10:15 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 10:17 |
| * dwatkins curses Samba's picky timekeeping and corrects the server clock | 10:17 | |
| * popey wonders if there's a new nvidia binary driver in the works | 10:19 | |
| popey | the one in ubuntu is beta isnt it? | 10:19 |
| popey | !info nvidia-current natty | 10:19 |
| lubotu3 | nvidia-current (source: nvidia-graphics-drivers): NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library. In component restricted, is optional. Version 270.30-0ubuntu3 (natty), package size 27797 kB, installed size 81384 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 lpia) | 10:19 |
| popey | hmm, natty has 270.26 beta, current stable is 260.1944 | 10:21 |
| * popey wonders if 260.1944 is packaged somewhere | 10:21 | |
| Daviey | popey, shhh... don't tell everyone. | 10:23 |
| Daviey | TheOpenSourcerer, Rackspace expected to be using Openstack in production this quarter... | 10:23 |
| Daviey | Rackspace UK on the other hand, always seem to be a little out of touch with reality... so perhaps by 2030 for them. :) | 10:23 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | lol - thanks Daviey | 10:23 |
| popey | i want to try the non-beta driver. see if it's better | 10:23 |
| popey | but I dont want to install it from their site | 10:23 |
| popey | guess I need to ppa it | 10:23 |
| Daviey | popey, maverick has 260.19.06-0ubuntu1, so you could use that.... but don't expect X to work. | 10:25 |
| popey | oh of course | 10:25 |
| popey | damnit | 10:25 |
| popey | how well does unity run on intel? | 10:25 |
| Daviey | pass | 10:26 |
| popey | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) | 10:26 |
| Daviey | intel is too much like free for my taste. | 10:26 |
| popey | specifically one of them | 10:26 |
| popey | heh | 10:26 |
| popey | well, nvidia is causing me monster headaches right now | 10:26 |
| popey | it seems incapable of reading EDID data correctly | 10:27 |
| JGJones | I'll check my other laptop - it's a Sony Vaio SZ71E - so comes with dual graphics (nvidia and intel) - but Unity runs well on both | 10:27 |
| Daviey | popey, i'd chat it over with Bryce. | 10:27 |
| popey | he's probably very busy | 10:27 |
| popey | i dont like bugging him | 10:27 |
| popey | might try passing the nvidia driver a custom edid file | 10:28 |
| Daviey | popey, 'meh'... i would be suprised if he minded. | 10:29 |
| gord | 945's *should* work with unity fine, but i haven't booted up my 945 in a long time, the power adapter died - which i took as a strong hint that i should buy a new toy instead | 10:44 |
| oimon | arggh i'm close close to switching to chrome ..stupid laggy firefox ( | 10:51 |
| oimon | ) | 10:51 |
| brobostigon | sudo apt-get install chromium-browser | 10:52 |
| oimon | chrome=chromium | 10:52 |
| oimon | there's something really ugly about the chromium UI though | 10:53 |
| brobostigon | chromium is fully OSS, chrome has some closed google stuff. | 10:53 |
| brobostigon | thry are both basiclly the same gui. | 10:57 |
| oimon | any way to get a menu bar on it ? | 10:58 |
| brobostigon | ithas a button next to the url bar to bring up the system menu's. | 10:59 |
| oimon | maybe i'm an old man, but i like menu bars :( | 11:01 |
| oimon | i have pixels going spare :) | 11:01 |
| brobostigon | oimon: maybe there is a plugin then. | 11:01 |
| davmor2 | morning all | 11:01 |
| brobostigon | morning davmor2 | 11:02 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: ow's the back today? | 11:02 |
| popey | brobostigon: i thought chrome and chromium were built the same, just with google branding in chrome | 11:04 |
| brobostigon | popey: i understand it also has some google usage tracking and bug tracking, and also chrome has a partly closed pdf reader inside it aswell. | 11:06 |
| davmor2 | popey: no chromium is the open source version of chrome which will mean it's either behind or ahead depending on who contributes :D | 11:06 |
| * gord facepalms | 11:13 | |
| gord | why is there a "popup delay" in the alt-tab switcher plugin | 11:13 |
| gord | its set to 0.2 seconds, thats why there is lag =\ | 11:13 |
| bigcalm | Incase you hit alt+tab by mistake? | 11:14 |
| gord | if you hit alt+tab by mistake your still gonna switch windows | 11:14 |
| bigcalm | Odd to have a delay then | 11:14 |
| brobostigon | and howon earth would you hit it by mistake? | 11:14 |
| oimon | oh dear, i just hit apps menu and expected to type ccsm...unity is getting to me! | 11:15 |
| * oimon gnome do's it instead | 11:16 | |
| bigcalm | Can you set passwords on tarballs and how secure are they? | 11:17 |
| oimon | gord, it's still sluggish though, don't you feel? | 11:17 |
| gord | oimon, nope | 11:17 |
| gord | turn off mipmapping, that'll slow you down | 11:17 |
| gord | bigcalm, i doubt it, just encode the tarball with gpg | 11:17 |
| oimon | no the initial popup but traversing the open windows | 11:17 |
| bigcalm | Grumble | 11:18 |
| gord | oimon, you use firefox right? turn off acceleration in firefox, firefox does insane things that make opengl slow when you have it open - took me a while to find that. turn it off and your entire system is way snappier | 11:18 |
| oimon | gord, ah | 11:18 |
| oimon | in about:config? | 11:19 |
| bigcalm | This is for a client, I fear I might have to use a password protected zip file instead | 11:19 |
| gord | yup | 11:20 |
| gord | bigcalm, password protected zip files arent' very secure | 11:20 |
| bigcalm | gord: nope. Maybe I'll ask the client if they have somewhere for me to send the file rather than putting it on HTTP | 11:21 |
| gord | bigcalm, you can't email? | 11:22 |
| === Guest95063 is now known as screen-x | ||
| bigcalm | 19mb tarbar? | 11:22 |
| bigcalm | gord: rather not | 11:22 |
| === screen-x is now known as Guest98966 | ||
| bigcalm | It's for a site migration. Lot of sensitive data in it | 11:22 |
| davmor2 | oimon: CCSM pulls up the config manager in dash and in apps lens | 11:23 |
| oimon | davmor2: i'm on lucid right now...just sayin' that the unity behaviour seems to be growing on me | 11:24 |
| davmor2 | oimon: Oh yes it does very much so I'm hating this box right now it's on maverick I much prefer doing stuff on natty now it's just easier | 11:25 |
| oimon | ..so long as you know the app name. i always find that as a very rare user of an apple mac, it's quite hard to find what apps are installed on the machine | 11:27 |
| davmor2 | oimon: that's where the app creators keywords come in, Ziestgiest searches on the name, description and keywords which is why CCSM works | 11:29 |
| brobostigon | zeitgeist* | 11:29 |
| JGJones | Hmm...a 7" android tablet for 90 quid? | 11:33 |
| gord | actually app searches aren't done with Zeitgeist | 11:33 |
| JGJones | http://www.kogan.co.uk/shop/7-inch-tablet-pc-android/ - I wonder how bad that touchscreen is... | 11:33 |
| gord | unity-applications-place indexes your desktop files as best it can | 11:33 |
| gord | JGJones, it'll be bad | 11:33 |
| gord | really bad | 11:33 |
| JGJones | gord, yeah, however I wonder if with the webcam it can function as a "telephone" for me in house | 11:34 |
| oimon | better than a joggler though? | 11:35 |
| oimon | looks better than my eee pc | 11:35 |
| ali1234 | if the specifications are true its quite a bit better than the usual cheap tablets | 11:37 |
| popey | wonder how long that battery lasts | 11:38 |
| popey | 3600mAh | 11:38 |
| MartijnVdS | ~2 minutes | 11:39 |
| oimon | i wonder if we'll have the same windows tax problems trying to buy tablets when MS produce win8 for ARM | 11:39 |
| ali1234 | probably about 8 hours | 11:39 |
| bigcalm | If you use the same gmail account on more than one android device, do you get your apps for each device or only the one you originally bought it on? | 11:40 |
| gord | how are microsoft handling the arm transition anyway? i mean, all the applications use x86 | 11:40 |
| ali1234 | gord: they will just make sure that windows 8 only supports .net | 11:41 |
| oimon | for 3rd party devs or themselves? they demonstrated "ie10" on win8/ARM the other day | 11:41 |
| gord | i'm sure they can port their own apps, thats obvious | 11:41 |
| * bigcalm ponders blowing 90 quid for a giggle | 11:42 | |
| oimon | bigcalm: i would if i was a single man | 11:43 |
| oimon | it actually looks OK on paper | 11:43 |
| bigcalm | +7 quid p&p | 11:43 |
| oimon | imagine how many cheap tablets there will be when windows comes along too | 11:44 |
| ali1234 | almost none | 11:44 |
| ali1234 | because the cost of windows will double the price | 11:44 |
| * bigcalm tickles popey | 11:45 | |
| gord | cheep tablets might kill the market - apple will come out with their next hairbrained device and claim tablets useless by then though | 11:45 |
| oimon | so long as android etc are around then hopefully MS won't get the strnagehold on the OEms and the compulsory win tax | 11:45 |
| popey | bigcalm: did you see my reply from vm yesterday? | 11:45 |
| bigcalm | No? | 11:46 |
| dogmatic69 | oimon: it will be a long time before there is any thing as slick as iPad and at a reasonable price | 11:46 |
| popey | phone 150, pay one off fee of 30 quid | 11:46 |
| popey | job done | 11:46 |
| oimon | dogmatic69: long time? maybe 1 year | 11:46 |
| bigcalm | So it is available to those on mates rates | 11:46 |
| popey | yes | 11:46 |
| bigcalm | Hazar | 11:46 |
| popey | monthy fee is same | 11:46 |
| bigcalm | So, are you going to? :) | 11:46 |
| popey | maybe | 11:46 |
| popey | :) | 11:46 |
| bigcalm | Heh | 11:46 |
| bigcalm | Thanks for checking for me | 11:46 |
| dogmatic69 | oimon: in one year iPad 3 is out | 11:46 |
| popey | np | 11:46 |
| gord | i wonder if apple are losing money on ipads, i mean the competition seems to be selling for a lot more | 11:47 |
| AlanBell | they might be, they will get the money back through the appstore | 11:48 |
| davmor2 | gord: where is that alt-tab setting | 11:48 |
| dogmatic69 | gord: they sold 7mil in the last month (iirc) and get some serious bulk discounts i should think | 11:48 |
| ali1234 | i doubt they are losing money.... the margin might be 0 though | 11:48 |
| gord | davmor2, in the plugin settings? | 11:48 |
| oimon | maybe the profits are to be made in the apple tax on the app store | 11:49 |
| ali1234 | point of selling ipad with 0 margin would be to get apple users used to the idea of buying from the app store for more powerful software, not just 1 time joke apps | 11:49 |
| gord | well losing money on ipads might be a valid business plan for apple, making money on app sales could be far more lucrative and getting the hardware in peoples hands makes sense | 11:49 |
| gord | video game console manufacturers have been doing that for year | 11:49 |
| gord | years* | 11:49 |
| dogmatic69 | ali1234: yes, apple is the 2nd biggest company in the world because they operate on a 0% margin | 11:50 |
| ali1234 | it isn't viable for them to make back the loss in their appstore | 11:50 |
| ali1234 | not yet anyway | 11:50 |
| davmor2 | gord: that is faster :) | 11:50 |
| ali1234 | because people aren't yet OK with the idea of buying something like photoshop for £300 from the appstore | 11:50 |
| oimon | i've never bought an android app in 12 months...but am considering swiftkey after swype has taken a massive downturn in usability | 11:50 |
| gord | you just live off free applications? bleeeeh at that | 11:51 |
| popey | i have lost count of the number of iphone/ipad apps I've bought | 11:52 |
| popey | on android I bought exactly one app | 11:52 |
| ali1234 | there is absolutely nothing of interest to me in any appstore i have ever looked in | 11:52 |
| theduffknight | pft | 11:52 |
| ali1234 | i would certainly never pay money for software | 11:52 |
| theduffknight | just steal? | 11:52 |
| oimon | the best apps are google ones anyway | 11:52 |
| gord | i'v lost count of the number of android apps i've bought | 11:53 |
| AlanBell | I bought no apps on Android | 11:53 |
| oimon | wow | 11:53 |
| dogmatic69 | ive not bought a app on android either | 11:53 |
| theduffknight | what do you use it for then? | 11:53 |
| dogmatic69 | had it since 1.5 | 11:54 |
| AlanBell | I don't know of any apps that I would want that are not free | 11:54 |
| brobostigon | i bought one, 8pen, and it was kinda a good decision,but also not. | 11:54 |
| oimon | AlanBell: me too | 11:54 |
| AlanBell | google maps is free, midpSSH is free | 11:54 |
| brobostigon | connectbot is free and OSS. | 11:55 |
| gord | most apps are like $0.99 - i find it hard not to buy them | 11:55 |
| AlanBell | email and browser are free, can't think of anything else I would want | 11:55 |
| brobostigon | k9-mail, :) | 11:55 |
| theduffknight | app on iphone/ipad are worth paying for | 11:55 |
| AlanBell | what do they do? | 11:55 |
| AlanBell | I would be tempted by garageband if I had an iPad | 11:56 |
| BigRedS | In general, the model is that apps on i* are pay-for and on android are ad-supported | 11:56 |
| * popey looks at all his paid apps | 11:56 | |
| dogmatic69 | AlanBell: i got an iPad and the quality of apps is *much* better | 11:56 |
| bigcalm | Would people PLEASE stop dangling geeky treats infront of his nose | 11:56 |
| BigRedS | you're very much expected to make *good* apps for iphone, but cool ones for android | 11:56 |
| BigRedS | of course, you do get both, but android seems a lot more experimental | 11:57 |
| dogmatic69 | cool ones that crash? | 11:57 |
| MartijnVdS | I rarely buy apps on android | 11:57 |
| MartijnVdS | most apps look ugly | 11:57 |
| ali1234 | where are these cool experimental apps? all i see is shovelware | 11:57 |
| BigRedS | dogmatic69: yeah, nice ideas, if only they actually worked :) | 11:57 |
| BigRedS | I don't think I've any app on android that actually does what I want, they all sort-of do | 11:57 |
| AlanBell | I had a bit of a play with the android SDK and made a hello world app, but I couldn't think of anything I really wanted to write | 11:57 |
| gord | android apps don't crash for me | 11:57 |
| BigRedS | I use four calendaring apps... | 11:57 |
| dogmatic69 | BigRedS: agreed, cool for 2 min. after a few crashes... meh | 11:58 |
| MartijnVdS | I just use the built-in calender | 11:58 |
| gord | i prolly buy a new live wallpaper every week | 11:58 |
| MartijnVdS | but I use google apps for everything anyway | 11:58 |
| * brobostigon has had no real crashes to speak on, other than with basic apps he has made. | 11:58 | |
| dogmatic69 | like i got a weather widget for android the other day. in 2 hours it got me band from 3G on O2 | 11:59 |
| bigcalm | popey: I guess I'll be able to test my work in a tablet kind of way now | 11:59 |
| popey | most of my paid apps are games | 11:59 |
| AlanBell | I don't want games, or the kids will nick my phone | 11:59 |
| gord | mobile phone games are baaad :( | 12:00 |
| brobostigon | my favorite is still k9, :) | 12:00 |
| popey | i thought we were talking tablets ? | 12:00 |
| popey | :) | 12:00 |
| theduffknight | get them an ipod touch | 12:00 |
| dogmatic69 | gord: not on iPhone :D | 12:00 |
| popey | Sam loves a few games on ipad, cut the rope especially, and some motor-x one where he can knock the guy off his bike | 12:00 |
| AlanBell | they have a DS and a Wii and a playstation and a computer running Ubuntu | 12:00 |
| gord | dogmatic69, yeah, they are | 12:00 |
| gord | mobile phone games are basically, what you would call in any other game, an annoying minigame | 12:01 |
| theduffknight | dont tell them about the games on your phone then :) | 12:01 |
| popey | haha | 12:02 |
| oimon | MartijnVdS: jorte is a great calendar app on android | 12:03 |
| oimon | free too | 12:03 |
| MartijnVdS | oimon: I don't care, I use the built-in one and it's fine :) | 12:03 |
| MartijnVdS | built-in apps > most of the stuff on market | 12:03 |
| oimon | jorte is my favourite app actually | 12:03 |
| MartijnVdS | well the mobile banking app I have is useful | 12:04 |
| oimon | anyone use prey? | 12:04 |
| theduffknight | no? what is it? | 12:05 |
| oimon | it's a app that helps you if your phone is stolen/lost etc | 12:05 |
| theduffknight | ok | 12:05 |
| oimon | https://market.android.com/details?id=com.prey | 12:05 |
| dogmatic69 | where is my ipad :) | 12:05 |
| theduffknight | okk | 12:05 |
| dogmatic69 | http://preyproject.com/ | 12:06 |
| theduffknight | yeah like find my iphone | 12:06 |
| theduffknight | ? | 12:06 |
| oimon | prey works on linux too i think | 12:06 |
| oimon | popey: when's tomboy 1.6.x package coming :P | 12:07 |
| popey | thanks for the reminder | 12:07 |
| popey | i use prey on all my devices | 12:08 |
| bigcalm | popey: called 150. Tried to upgrade and they said I'd lose all of my existing discounts | 12:08 |
| bigcalm | Sod that | 12:08 |
| gord | kinda sucks that you have to register | 12:08 |
| gord | you should just be able to install after you lost the device | 12:09 |
| oimon | i wonder how many people keep the default GO PREY switchon txt | 12:10 |
| gord | i just looked up the bank holidays for this year- they are awesome - two four day weekends in a row | 12:13 |
| BigRedS | yeah | 12:14 |
| BigRedS | it's the take-two-days-holiday-get-11-days-off thing | 12:14 |
| seeker | gord: You only just noticed?! | 12:15 |
| BigRedS | er, three days holiday I think | 12:15 |
| seeker | Three days | 12:15 |
| BigRedS | yeah, makes sense :) tue, wed, thu | 12:15 |
| seeker | Tues-thurs inclusive | 12:15 |
| gord | i'm away with work on one of the weekends though, so i'll have to push that to another day | 12:15 |
| bigcalm | This is where working in a 2 man company falls down. Can't take those 3 days off because other bloke already is | 12:15 |
| oimon | the problem with prey, is that most laptops will be reinstalled rather than cracking my password | 12:20 |
| oimon | so unless i set no login password, i won't get much info | 12:21 |
| oimon | ugh banshee 2.0 suffering terrible lag on my pc | 12:29 |
| popey | 12:08:57 < gord> kinda sucks that you have to register | 12:38 |
| popey | you dont | 12:38 |
| popey | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/9456798.stm | 12:46 |
| popey | ooer | 12:46 |
| oimon | can't use what word? | 12:49 |
| oimon | looked like the guy was gonna cry | 12:49 |
| AlanBell | "security" I think | 12:49 |
| brobostigon | ouch, | 12:50 |
| oimon | wasn't exactly getting grilled, i think they were just natural questions to ask | 12:51 |
| revo_ | hello, i am confused, i have wireless and ethernet i would like to use both, but neither are listed in the interfaces file | 13:02 |
| revo_ | i used the networkmanager applet 0.8 to set the ip of the eth0 but it just wont take | 13:03 |
| popey | revo_: neither will be listed in interfaces | 13:06 |
| popey | if they were listed there, then NM would ignore them | 13:06 |
| revo_ | oh | 13:08 |
| revo_ | found it | 13:12 |
| revo_ | dodgy ethernet cable, now filed under B for bin | 13:12 |
| revo_ | thanks for your time popey | 13:13 |
| popey | np | 13:13 |
| popey | :) | 13:13 |
| revo_ | >< | 13:13 |
| revo_ | byeseez | 13:13 |
| MartijnVdS | http://twitter.com/#!/feral_pigeon | 13:15 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Any mod_proxy dudes 'in da 'ouse'? | 13:16 |
| MartijnVdS | TheOpenSourcerer: !ask :) | 13:16 |
| popey | boyyyyyy | 13:17 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Wazzup with this then? Can't get webdav proxying to 8070: http://paste.ubuntu.com/593976/ | 13:18 |
| MartijnVdS | TheOpenSourcerer: trailing slash? | 13:18 |
| MartijnVdS | TheOpenSourcerer: it might add a trailing slash too many because your ProxyPass ends with one | 13:18 |
| directhex | TheOpenSourcerer, dav is the devil | 13:19 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | *Everything* on Google has a trailing slash | 13:19 |
| MartijnVdS | TheOpenSourcerer: We found it to be a problem here -- we'd get double slashes | 13:19 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | libertusvm2.lan:443 81.XX.XX.1 - - [14/Apr/2011:13:00:17 +0100] "OPTIONS /webdav/libertus_03/calendars/users/alan.lord/c/Meetings HTTP/1.1" 200 18653 "-" "gvfs/1.6.4" | 13:19 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | From the apache log. Looks like it's right to me. | 13:20 |
| MartijnVdS | It's a HTTP/200 as well | 13:20 |
| MartijnVdS | so you got an OK answer.. | 13:20 |
| MartijnVdS | What's the problem then? | 13:20 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | It doesn't work :-) | 13:21 |
| MartijnVdS | Do you get a message? | 13:21 |
| MartijnVdS | anything? | 13:21 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Lighting doesn't do/show anything. Trying to connect to the webdav share with the "Connect to server... " thingy on Ubuntu just timesout after about 3 or 4 mins. | 13:22 |
| AlanBell | use a browser | 13:22 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | nada | 13:22 |
| MartijnVdS | browser doesn't work either? | 13:23 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Loads of errors... | 13:23 |
| MartijnVdS | which errors? | 13:24 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/593981/ | 13:24 |
| MartijnVdS | looks like your server is sending errors :) | 13:24 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Yes. Thanks. | 13:24 |
| MartijnVdS | It's complaining that "GET /web" isn't an integer.. which is quite correct :) | 13:25 |
| MartijnVdS | I'd check openerp source for solutions here | 13:25 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | But it works without a proxy. | 13:26 |
| MartijnVdS | hmm | 13:26 |
| AlanBell | funky stuff there, chopping it up into 8 character chuncks | 13:26 |
| MartijnVdS | hmmmmmmm | 13:26 |
| MartijnVdS | I'm out of ideas, sorry | 13:27 |
| MartijnVdS | other than "read the docs again" | 13:27 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I wonder if it is to do with "chunks" AlanBell? http://www.atnan.com/2008/8/8/transfer-encoding-chunked-chunky-http | 13:29 |
| MartijnVdS | TheOpenSourcerer: that might be the issue.. but Python's built-in http server supports chunked encoding doesn't it? | 13:30 |
| MartijnVdS | you can disable chunked encoding in the proxy settings | 13:30 |
| AlanBell | what makes you think it is working on port 8070? | 13:31 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | It did before. | 13:31 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | It won't now as it only listens to 127.0.0.1 | 13:31 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Am trying to stick everything over ssl | 13:32 |
| AlanBell | yeah, I did wget http://localhost:8070/webdav | 13:32 |
| AlanBell | got loads of the same kind of error | 13:32 |
| directhex | wget isn't too useful for dav | 13:32 |
| directhex | since you encode your requests in the http request | 13:33 |
| directhex | e.g. not just GET or POST, but GETOPTIONS and stuff like that | 13:33 |
| directhex | with auth payloads built in | 13:33 |
| directhex | it's a mess :/ | 13:33 |
| AlanBell | true, but it should give something more sensible than a python error | 13:33 |
| AlanBell | webdav should be browseable with a browser I think | 13:34 |
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| scoundrel50a | hi, can somebody help with my wireless, its stopped working, I can connect via ethernet, but the wireless just doesnt work. | 13:40 |
| boffu | how to recover a file from the /tmp folder once i have switched off computer? | 13:40 |
| directhex | boffu, oh, that's an interesting question... boot from a livecd i guess. /tmp is cleared on boot iirc | 13:41 |
| directhex | or take out the disk, put in another pc, and mount the partition | 13:41 |
| boffu | thanks directhex | 13:42 |
| boffu | if that's the only way, i'm afraid re-creating the file is simpler ... | 13:42 |
| scoundrel50a | anybody know how to get the wireless back up and running? | 13:42 |
| directhex | boffu, /tmp really is very very temporary | 13:43 |
| scoundrel50a | I dont have a button, so its automatic, somehow, the wireless has stopped working, it works in windows, but not ubuntu | 13:43 |
| boffu | scoundrel50a, you'd need to give details about what operating system version you're using, and what changes occurred before it stopped working | 13:43 |
| boffu | directhex, thanks ... | 13:44 |
| scoundrel50a | I installed Ubuntu 10.10 on an Aspire computer, and just booten up, and the wireless wont work | 13:45 |
| directhex | boffu, some distros don't clear /tmp - e.g. re hats | 13:45 |
| directhex | scoundrel50a, can you plug it in temporarily? | 13:45 |
| directhex | scoundrel50a, if you can get it online via a cable, look in system/administration/additional drivers | 13:45 |
| scoundrel50a | I am using the ethernet cable now, | 13:45 |
| virusuy | moring all, greetings form Uruguay ! | 13:46 |
| scoundrel50a | directhex: nothing in there | 13:46 |
| virusuy | s/moring/morning/ | 13:46 |
| scoundrel50a | is there anyway via the terminal it can be checked? | 13:47 |
| oimon | i have just discovered that alt-tab switcher allows choosing the window with the mouse from the alt-tab list. useful if you have > 50 windows open | 13:48 |
| ging | doesnt for me, is this on the new unity thing? | 13:49 |
| oimon | Ging, no, it's a (default) option in ccsm | 13:49 |
| oimon | static application siwtcher -> behaviour -> allow mouse selection | 13:50 |
| ging | i dont think i have compiz | 13:50 |
| scoundrel50a | directhex: opened that, and it said no proprietary drivers are in use on this system | 13:50 |
| ging | things like that confuse my tiny mind | 13:50 |
| oimon | my computer doesn't feel right unless i have wobbly windows | 13:50 |
| ging | windows should never wobble, it's just not right | 13:51 |
| oimon | scoundrel50a: which version of ubuntu is it? | 13:55 |
| oimon | 10.10 i just noticed... | 13:55 |
| oimon | do you know which wireless card it is? | 13:56 |
| oimon | running lspci in a terminal should give you a clue | 13:57 |
| scoundrel50a | 10.10 | 13:58 |
| scoundrel50a | oimon, I will post to pastebin what it says, one sec | 13:59 |
| oimon | additionally, the exact laptop model would help too, since there are howto's for many acer aspire machines | 14:00 |
| scoundrel50a | http://paste.ubuntu.com/593994/ and its an Aspire 5736Z | 14:02 |
| scoundrel50a | oimon: would there be a way via the terminal to work out what is wrong? | 14:05 |
| gord | nooo, engineer guy was doing something in the phone cable cabinet down the street on my way back from lunch, now my internet speeds are 50kb slower :( | 14:07 |
| scoundrel50a | is there nobody here that can help? | 14:08 |
| oimon | scoundrel50a: try.. | 14:09 |
| oimon | sudo apt-get install lshw; sudo lshw -C network | 14:10 |
| oimon | this is a useful page for checking wifi: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessTroubleShootingGuide | 14:11 |
| oimon | scoundrel50a: as a stab in the dark you could try installing the package linux-backports-modules-wireless-maverick-generic, since i've read that problems with your wireless device were solved in lucid during that | 14:13 |
| scoundrel50a | I tried that, and got this, dont know what it means though, http://paste.ubuntu.com/594002/ | 14:14 |
| scoundrel50a | oimon, I'll try with the backports see if that does anything | 14:14 |
| scoundrel50a | where do I get them from? | 14:14 |
| gord | someone should sell little self powered monitors that you can just hook up to a vga port when your server is being stupid and you need to see whats going on | 14:20 |
| scoundrel50a | found the backports | 14:20 |
| Azelphur | gord you can get usb ones o.O | 14:24 |
| Azelphur | although probably not PnP yet | 14:24 |
| dwatkins | I'd like a VGA input on a netbook | 14:26 |
| dwatkins | there's always serial, of course | 14:29 |
| dwatkins | there are VGA to USB adapters, but they're rather expensive, it appears. | 14:30 |
| dwatkins | I imagine it's cheaper to buy aserial multiplexer or a vga to ethernet concentrator | 14:30 |
| gord | you could prolly just take apart a small old lcd monitor and put it in a new case | 14:32 |
| dwatkins | battery-powered 15" monitor onna cart? | 14:34 |
| BigRedS | loads of old LCD panels are 12V, so a homebuild should be doable | 14:36 |
| dwatkins | Does anyone know what wayjump.com is for? I found a shortened URL that links to "track_index.php" with a reference which I assume means my IP address was logged in someone's account, but just wondering if it's worse than that. | 14:40 |
| dwatkins | gord: or composite-in to a cheap portable display | 14:53 |
| gord | dwatkins, i wasn't aware you can just plug vga into composite and it just work | 14:54 |
| dwatkins | gord: you can't as far as I know, but adapters are cheaper than a VGA to USB adapter appears to be | 14:55 |
| dogmatic69 | anyone know of some worth while security on *nix courses to attend ? | 15:11 |
| oimon | lol, my sister visited her doctor in denmark who didn't know the answer to a question so he tried googling it | 15:17 |
| seeker | Well, why wouldn't he | 15:17 |
| oimon | seeker: doctor i've stopped taking this drug and i'm getting side effects, what should I do? hang on let me google it, maybe yahoo answers has some anecdotal evidence | 15:19 |
| seeker | There are some decent resources on the web | 15:19 |
| dogmatic69 | lol | 15:19 |
| oimon | dogmatic69: i like SANS but i've never done their courses, http://www.sans.org/security-training/courses.php | 15:20 |
| dogmatic69 | ... hmmm, wikipedia says you will be fine | 15:20 |
| seeker | The difference between your sister and the doctor googling it is that the doctor can filter out the stuff that hypochondriacs gravitate towards | 15:20 |
| oimon | seeker, i would rather he have some trusted online medical journal resource | 15:21 |
| Pendulum | I figured out what my largest health problem was about 3.5 years before I got a diagnosis thanks to the internet (but not by googling symptoms, by meeting people who had the condition and thinking 'that sounds like me') | 15:21 |
| seeker | oimon: There are resources like http://bnf.org/bnf/bnf/current/ | 15:22 |
| popey | is she certain he used google? | 15:23 |
| oimon | looks like i might be able to access that, with my athens login | 15:23 |
| popey | and not a google-powered local intranet search? | 15:23 |
| seeker | oimon: You do realise that there are actually professional / reliable resources on the Internet, not just yahoo answers and wikipedia? | 15:24 |
| aquarius | Any of you lot in/near Birmingham, btw? | 15:25 |
| oimon | seeker - yes although behind a paywall usually | 15:25 |
| dogmatic69 | oimon: that looks like a once a year conference type thing | 15:25 |
| oimon | it's possible that it was a customised google intranet search | 15:25 |
| seeker | http://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/medicine/15074/SPC/ | 15:26 |
| seeker | oimon: That isn't behind a paywall, and probably contains the information he would have been looking | 15:26 |
| seeker | For | 15:26 |
| oimon | btw his advice was "i don't know, just take it easy". rather adds weight to the suggestion of an indiscriminate google search, rather than a directed search | 15:28 |
| seeker | Not really | 15:29 |
| seeker | Just means that the information wasn't "if you get this symptom then panic" | 15:30 |
| oimon | can anyone using firefox or chromium see this page ok? http://www.gassaferegister.co.uk/search.aspx?terms= | 15:46 |
| oimon | my browsers show white boxes for home/about/news etc, unless you hover over | 15:47 |
| Azelphur | the main menu links are broken | 15:47 |
| Azelphur | in chrome. | 15:47 |
| oimon | it makes the site pretty unusable | 15:47 |
| Azelphur | indeed | 15:47 |
| nucc1 | oimon, http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/mzaliorm/ThreadingSearchMozillaFirefox_005.png | 15:48 |
| nucc1 | FF4 | 15:48 |
| oimon | nucc1: yep, same .. | 15:48 |
| oimon | interested to see if it works on windows ff/chrome | 15:48 |
| BigRedS | oimon: works for me in ff3.6 | 15:50 |
| oimon | windows? | 15:50 |
| BigRedS | oh, not on windows, though | 15:50 |
| oimon | oh | 15:50 |
| BigRedS | oimon: apparently "All OK on Firefox 3.6." | 15:53 |
| BigRedS | from a microsoftie | 15:54 |
| oimon | thanks :) | 15:54 |
| oimon | sent them an email | 15:57 |
| oimon | it's hard enough getting a gas man as it is | 15:57 |
| BigRedS | anyone know of an snmp-capable coffee machine? | 16:03 |
| oimon | BigRedS: i was discussing that the other day | 16:07 |
| BigRedS | I just want an easy way to know if there's coffee in the pot. A less manual version of the trojan camera :) | 16:07 |
| oimon | you could plug a usb moisture probe into a linksys nslu2 | 16:07 |
| daubers | BigRedS: http://www.jabberdoc.org/ProgrammingJabber <- Author made a jabber enabled cofffee machine | 16:07 |
| * kazade wants a Jabber enabled coffee machine :( | 16:10 | |
| oimon | hmm http://www.kogan.co.uk/shop/android-wireless-keyboard-and-trackpad/ | 16:13 |
| BigRedS | oimon: I'm trying to find the 'android' bit of that | 16:15 |
| AnonymousGeezer | popey: you should have a transcript for the Chris Gutteridge interview in your inbox, fwiw | 16:15 |
| popey | o_O | 16:15 |
| BigRedS | ahhh, it's for an tv thingy that runs android | 16:16 |
| oimon | BigRedS: i think it is an accesory to their android powered tv box | 16:16 |
| oimon | yep | 16:16 |
| oimon | i like the trackpad option though | 16:16 |
| * popey wonders which inbox AnonymousGeezer :) | 16:17 | |
| AnonymousGeezer | popey . net account | 16:17 |
| daubers | \o/ inbox zero achieved, will it stay that way before I go away for a week is the question | 16:18 |
| popey | AnonymousGeezer: i dont have a .net account | 16:19 |
| AnonymousGeezer | com, sorry | 16:19 |
| popey | AnonymousGeezer: alan at popey.com | 16:19 |
| AnonymousGeezer | that's the one :) | 16:19 |
| popey | nothing yet... | 16:19 |
| dogmatic69 | daubers: just remove the port on your firewall ;) | 16:20 |
| oimon | my definition of inbox zero is 0 unread mails | 16:22 |
| oimon | that might not be the widely accepted interpreation though :P | 16:23 |
| oimon | i've just noticed some new scrollbars in natty! | 16:26 |
| kaushal | Hi | 16:46 |
| kaushal | I have around 100 hosts running sun java6 u20, is there a easy way to upgrade it to u24 ? | 16:47 |
| kaushal | pssh ? | 16:47 |
| hcfd | kaushal, seems a plausible solution. | 17:01 |
| ubuntu_ | hi there i have problem about ubuntu startup | 17:01 |
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| hcfd | ubuntu_: are you using Startup-Manager by any chance? | 17:02 |
| ubuntu_ | i deleted something (about user input screen) at synaptic | 17:02 |
| ubuntu_ | now what can i do for work it again | 17:02 |
| ubuntu_ | i didnt understand hcfd | 17:03 |
| hcfd | Boot to runlevel 3 instead | 17:03 |
| ubuntu_ | how can i do it | 17:03 |
| hcfd | Also, you may have deleted Upstart | 17:04 |
| hcfd | Try finding and installing that again | 17:04 |
| hcfd | Google is your friend | 17:04 |
| ubuntu_ | if i can join terminal i can do it | 17:04 |
| ubuntu_ | could you help about that how can i join terminal | 17:05 |
| hcfd | ubuntu_, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-201130.html | 17:07 |
| hcfd | My machine boots to console. I edited grub's menu.lst, indirectly, via /etc/grub.d/40_custom | 17:08 |
| hcfd | Google is your friend. | 17:08 |
| ubuntu_ | hcfd thanks for your support im looking if i have any problem i will make you disturb :) | 17:09 |
| ubuntu_ | hcfd i looked around about runlevel 3. in rc3.d directory nothing about gdm and in boot/grub/menu.lst empty | 17:24 |
| ubuntu_ | so i didnt do it could you help about that | 17:25 |
| bigcalm | AlanBell: bit of cheak your last tweet :P | 17:26 |
| bigcalm | cheek | 17:26 |
| popey | optimistic | 17:26 |
| bigcalm | Sod, I replied to the wrong person | 17:26 |
| AlanBell | well only 30 tickets left, wouldn't want him to miss out | 17:27 |
| bigcalm | TheOpenSourcerer: my tweet to AlanBell was ment for you | 17:27 |
| AlanBell | it was a bit random | 17:27 |
| bigcalm | I fair at the internets | 17:27 |
| bigcalm | I fail | 17:27 |
| bigcalm | Damn it | 17:27 |
| * bigcalm goes for a cry | 17:27 | |
| MartijnVdS | We can see that. | 17:27 |
| MartijnVdS | :P | 17:27 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Thanks bigcalm | 17:28 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Now go and have a lie down | 17:28 |
| HazRPG | \o | 17:29 |
| HazRPG | MartijnVdS: seeing that we can? | 17:30 |
| MartijnVdS | HazRPG: We can see that bigcalm fails ;) | 17:30 |
| HazRPG | MartijnVdS: ah ha! I knew it! | 17:30 |
| bigcalm | No need to rub it in | 17:30 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Funny if not so sad... http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110413/18085213885/new-zealand-politican-tweets-how-shes-violating-copyright-law-night-before-supporting-three-strikes-copyright-law.shtml | 17:30 |
| HazRPG | bigcalm: *hugs* | 17:30 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: no problem, we all fail sometimes :) | 17:31 |
| bigcalm | :P | 17:31 |
| ubuntu_ | how can i run my ubuntu in text mode_ | 17:31 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | ubuntu_: Just install the server | 17:32 |
| HazRPG | ubuntu_: remove ubuntu-desktop ? | 17:32 |
| ubuntu_ | i removed gnome and i cant boot up my pc | 17:33 |
| ubuntu_ | its always stay at black screen when i select normal ubuntu or rescue mode | 17:34 |
| ubuntu_ | i thinked i need text mode and install gnome again.. maybe im wrong im newbie | 17:34 |
| ubuntu_ | i need your experiments about that | 17:34 |
| HazRPG | how did you do that? | 17:35 |
| ubuntu_ | in synaptic manager i deleted gdm (complete remove) | 17:35 |
| HazRPG | why? | 17:35 |
| ubuntu_ | i was upgrade 10.10 to 11.04 | 17:36 |
| ubuntu_ | then it come with unity and i deleted it and tried to install gnome | 17:36 |
| ubuntu_ | at this point i did something wrong | 17:37 |
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| HazRPG | hmm, unity is built on gnome dude | 17:37 |
| HazRPG | for now at least | 17:37 |
| mrmcan | im at learning level | 17:38 |
| mrmcan | so i failed. but i must get it work | 17:38 |
| HazRPG | are you in a liveCD now? | 17:38 |
| mrmcan | yes im in live cd now | 17:38 |
| HazRPG | which one? | 17:38 |
| mrmcan | ubuntu 10.04 | 17:39 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Oooh - Mrs TheOpenSourcerer will be a bit late home and she says I can nip out to the pub for a quick one :-) TTFN | 17:39 |
| HazRPG | TheOpenSourcerer: laters dude | 17:39 |
| mrmcan | HazRPG have you any suggestion | 17:41 |
| HazRPG | mrmcan: probably best to boot into a liveCD of 11.04 and see if you can do another upgrade from there... if you can, try and reinstall it without formatting - but I'm not 100% sure of that | 17:42 |
| HazRPG | maybe someone else can give you some better advice though | 17:43 |
| mrmcan | ehmmm okey thanks for your support. if you know how can i join text mode im listening | 17:44 |
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| CaMason | hi guys. Trying to compile php 5.2.17 on 11.04b. I'm getting an error saying libjpeg.(a|so) not found. I've installed libjpeg-dev, and the lib exists under /usr/local/x86_64-linux-gnu/ - should there be a symlink in /usr/lib ? | 18:11 |
| CaMason | oh libjpeg62-dev is installed instead of libjpeg8-dev | 18:15 |
| CaMason | I do have a similar problem with libpng though | 18:16 |
| DJones | Evening all | 18:21 |
| zleap | HELLO | 18:22 |
| zleap | opps srry, had caps on | 18:22 |
| CaMason | is there a reason why natty is using '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng.so' whereas maverick is '/usr/lib/libpng.so' ? | 18:32 |
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| MartijnVdS | CaMason: no idea | 18:34 |
| MartijnVdS | CaMason: but gcc should automatically work? | 18:34 |
| CaMason | I'm tripping up with ./configure for php 5.2.17. The configure script will never look in that x86_64-linux-gnu folder | 18:35 |
| CaMason | my knowledge of this is limited, so I'm trying to figure whether 11.04 should be adding symlinks to /usr/lib, or whether php needs to update the configure script | 18:37 |
| MartijnVdS | CaMason: 11.04 comes with PHP 5.3.5, why would you need 5.2? | 18:38 |
| CaMason | custom requirement for maintenance of old product | 18:39 |
| MartijnVdS | You could check the source for the package (apt-get source php5) | 18:41 |
| MartijnVdS | See how it calls configure (in debian/rules) | 18:41 |
| MartijnVdS | Maybe there is/are some some special command line args? | 18:41 |
| MartijnVdS | Do you have all build dependencies? (apt-get build-dep php5) | 18:41 |
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| MartijnVdS | Isn't there an "old php versions" PPA? Maybe you could try that if it exists? | 18:42 |
| CaMason | oh yes, there are. But the test for the dir is `test -f $_PHP_PNG_DIR/$PHP_LIBDIR/libpng.so`, so it can never look into the correct folder | 18:42 |
| MartijnVdS | CaMason: did you check the source + patches from the Ubuntu repo? :) | 18:43 |
| MartijnVdS | CaMason: it might contain useful bits | 18:43 |
| CaMason | I must confess that I've never done such a thing | 18:43 |
| CaMason | but I doubt natty has any 5.2 sources anyway | 18:44 |
| MartijnVdS | CaMason: no, I mean check the 5.3 sources | 18:45 |
| MartijnVdS | CaMason: see how the 5.3 package-source calls the configure script | 18:45 |
| CaMason | makes sense. | 18:45 |
| MartijnVdS | and see if the package patches it beforehand | 18:45 |
| MartijnVdS | CaMason: it does lots of --with-png-dir=shared,/usr (etc. | 18:46 |
| CaMason | just reading up how to do this | 18:47 |
| MartijnVdS | CaMason: apt-get source php5 | 18:47 |
| CaMason | yup got it | 18:47 |
| MartijnVdS | CaMason: cd php5-whatever-version-was-extracted | 18:47 |
| MartijnVdS | CaMason: then check debian/rules for the "./configure" line | 18:47 |
| CaMason | I see | 18:47 |
| MartijnVdS | you might not need all sub-modules | 18:48 |
| CaMason | no luck :/ | 18:58 |
| CaMason | others are just suggesting a symlink | 19:00 |
| MartijnVdS | it expects an in-tree copy of libpng, I guess? | 19:00 |
| CaMason | it wants $PNG_DIR/$LIB_DIR/libpng.so, where PNG_DIR is --with-png-dir and LIB_DIR is --with-lib-dir | 19:01 |
| MartijnVdS | no | 19:02 |
| MartijnVdS | at least.. it's smarter than that | 19:02 |
| MartijnVdS | that's why the source package does: | 19:02 |
| MartijnVdS | --with-png-dir=shared,/usr | 19:02 |
| MartijnVdS | the "shared" bit is the magic | 19:02 |
| CaMason | what does that do? | 19:02 |
| MartijnVdS | it tells it to use the shared-library version instead of the in-tree version | 19:03 |
| MartijnVdS | apt-get install libpng-dev first | 19:03 |
| MartijnVdS | but then it should work | 19:03 |
| CaMason | I did apt-get install libpng12-dev | 19:03 |
| CaMason | http://packages.ubuntu.com/da/natty/amd64/libpng12-dev/filelist | 19:03 |
| MartijnVdS | yeah I know | 19:04 |
| MartijnVdS | and the location is good (will be found by gcc) | 19:04 |
| CaMason | so how could this ever work? http://pastebin.com/9rnC8iaM | 19:06 |
| MartijnVdS | CaMason: where do you see that? | 19:07 |
| CaMason | in php 5.2.17 configure (and I also beleive in 5.3) | 19:07 |
| MartijnVdS | CaMason: let me read the source | 19:09 |
| MartijnVdS | [brb] :) | 19:09 |
| CaMason | thanks for the help | 19:09 |
| MartijnVdS | checking for the location of libpng... shared,/usr | 19:16 |
| MartijnVdS | that works... configure doesn't fail for me | 19:16 |
| MartijnVdS | CaMason: which error do you get? | 19:16 |
| CaMason | this is natty and 5.2.17? | 19:17 |
| * CaMason configures | 19:17 | |
| MartijnVdS | natty and 5.3, but I can get 5.2.17 | 19:17 |
| CaMason | configure: error: libpng.(a|so) not found. | 19:17 |
| MartijnVdS | CaMason: have you tried just getting the debs from a previous version of Ubuntu and dpkg -i'ing them? | 19:19 |
| MartijnVdS | that way easier than compiling them manually | 19:19 |
| CaMason | no. This is maintenance for an old piece of software and we've been instructed to use a very specific set of configure options | 19:19 |
| CaMason | I've not had a problem building in the past. Only now I've set a VM up for natty | 19:20 |
| MartijnVdS | Why natty, and not an long-term stable release like Lucid (trying to find an easier way out here :)) | 19:20 |
| CaMason | I get the same png issue with 5.3 source (straight from php.net) | 19:20 |
| CaMason | this isn't really an issue I absolutely have to resolve - I'm just setting up instructions for natty for the internal wiki. But it's been bugging me why I can't get it to configure :) | 19:21 |
| MartijnVdS | It's because natty seems to be going multiarch (or something) and things are moving around | 19:22 |
| MartijnVdS | The developers (#ubuntu-devel?) might know more about this | 19:22 |
| MartijnVdS | http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/Implementation | 19:22 |
| MartijnVdS | that might have clues | 19:23 |
| CaMason | ahhhhh | 19:23 |
| CaMason | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/739977 | 19:23 |
| lubotu3 | Ubuntu bug 739977 in php5 (Ubuntu) "PHP5 FTBFS in Natty" [High,Fix released] | 19:23 |
| CaMason | numerous patches including '$DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH' in the test lines in configure | 19:24 |
| CaMason | "we can't use --with-libdir yet because that requires all the build-deps to have moved." | 19:25 |
| CaMason | so basically, php 5.2.17 wont build properly yet on natty. | 19:25 |
| MartijnVdS | CaMason: now you know why it's broken, and you have a path to a fix :) | 19:25 |
| CaMason | I will cheat and symlink for now.. | 19:26 |
| CaMason | but - I now know *why* its failing | 19:26 |
| CaMason | Thanks for pointing me in the right direction | 19:26 |
| MartijnVdS | np | 19:27 |
| CaMason | so that must be why libjpg is OK with one version from apt.. one must be multiarch, the other isn't | 19:28 |
| CaMason | and now I see the patch that fixes it: ++ test -f $i/$PHP_LIBDIR/$DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH/libpng.$SHLIB_SUFFIX_NAME && GD_PNG_DIR=$i && break | 19:30 |
| DJones | ping YaManicKill | 19:39 |
| scoundrel50a | I use a mouse on my laptop, so I didnt notice with the install of 10.10 earlier that my touchpad isnt working, would anybody be able to help get it working? | 19:51 |
| scoundrel50a | nobody have any ideas? | 19:54 |
| DJones | scoundrel50a: Looks to be a bit quiet at the minute | 19:54 |
| scoundrel50a | I just thought I would add what bI had done till now, until somebody might be able to help.... | 19:55 |
| davmor2 | scoundrel50a: try having a look on the forum's or wiki I suggest google for both | 19:55 |
| === arussell is now known as aaronr | ||
| BigRedS | Nobody's said anything for an hour; is dr who on or something? | 20:56 |
| DJones | Heh | 20:56 |
| MartijnVdS | BigRedS: next week :) | 20:57 |
| * suprengr says "anything"... just to help BigRedS | 20:58 | |
| BigRedS | haha | 20:58 |
| BigRedS | I just alt-tabbed and had a screenload of leaves and joins and wondered what I was missing | 20:58 |
| MartijnVdS | BigRedS: an hour of silence. | 20:58 |
| popey | njpatel: a question for you... | 21:06 |
| popey | njpatel: most people I know have dual monitors side by side | 21:06 |
| popey | what if you have your monitors one above the other? | 21:06 |
| popey | you'll have two global menus, one across the middle of the work area | 21:06 |
| popey | that sounds less than ideal | 21:06 |
| popey | is there any way to set it so you _only_ get a global menu on the 'top' monitors? | 21:07 |
| popey | (I suspect not, but asking anyway) | 21:07 |
| * AlanBell would be OK with a global menu on both in that setup | 21:07 | |
| AlanBell | because you would maximise stuff to use all of one monitor (or half) | 21:08 |
| BigRedS | Is this unity? 'cause I'm pretty sure I've made Gnome be sensible in that situation | 21:08 |
| popey | yes BigRedS | 21:08 |
| popey | hence asking njpatel (the guy who does coding on unity) | 21:08 |
| * suprengr wonders if alarm clocks for u-uk members are available on NHS | 21:08 | |
| suprengr | #ubuntu-uk-meeting is: Next meeting Thursday April 14th at 21:00 BST | 21:08 |
| Biglesp | Has the meeting been rescheduled in #ubuntu-uk-meeting? | 21:08 |
| suprengr | ;) | 21:08 |
| popey | oh blimey | 21:08 |
| BigRedS | bah. Everything's unity these days. I should really install it... | 21:08 |
| AlanBell | and the point of the duplicated global menu is so you don't have to leave the monitor that the app is on and go miles and miles away | 21:08 |
| AlanBell | oops is that the time! | 21:08 |
| gord | popey, no you can't do that | 21:08 |
| popey | thanks gord | 21:09 |
| popey | maybe a wishlist for OO? | 21:09 |
| * suprengr hands AlanBell an alarm clock | 21:09 | |
| AlanBell | thanks suprengr | 21:09 |
| AlanBell | well we have a meeting it seems | 21:09 |
| gord | popey, can't hurt, once we have more time we can make multi-monitor stuff better | 21:09 |
| scoundrel50a | ok, back after trying loads of things in trying to get my touchpad working. Its highly possiblle I have made thigns even worse, I dont know. Based on what I see, I cvouldnmt tell you what is the problem or not, I can tell you, its detected, but that is about it. If I can give some information out on What I have found, can somebody tell me if there is a problem? | 21:12 |
| * AlanBell kicks off meeting in #ubuntu-uk-meeting | 21:13 | |
| AlanBell | daubers ^^ | 21:14 |
| === tubadaz_ is now known as tubadaz | ||
| czajkowski | Aloha | 21:26 |
| AlanBell | hi czajkowski | 21:27 |
| czajkowski | hi | 21:29 |
| * AlanBell hugs czajkowski | 21:29 | |
| * czajkowski hugs AlanBell it's been a long day | 21:30 | |
| Myrtti | MY BED ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ I've missed you so ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ | 21:35 |
| * DJones hasn't seen his bed in 6 days/nights | 21:36 | |
| Myrtti | I've not seen mine for ... erm. | 21:36 |
| Myrtti | 12, and even then I had only one night | 21:37 |
| DJones | That doesn't sound good, at least I had an excuse being away on holiday | 21:39 |
| dwatkins | Can anyone suggest a place where I can register for a SIP account to try out some software clients? | 21:56 |
| === AlanBell changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | Meeting 5th May 21:00 BST #ubuntu-uk-meeting http://tinyurl.com/uukmeet | Quiz: 16th April 21:00 | oggcamp.org \o/ | ||
| bigcalm | Hi peeps | 21:58 |
| * AlanBell thanks suprengr for the reminder :) | 21:58 | |
| popey | pip pip | 21:59 |
| suprengr | AlanBell: np, pleased to be of service ;D | 21:59 |
| suprengr | ...& very well done for excellant recovery | 21:59 |
| g5236m | @search ian fleming | 22:02 |
| popey | o_O | 22:02 |
| popey | !list | 22:03 |
| lubotu3 | This is not a file sharing channel (or network); be sure to read the channel topic. If you're looking for information about me, type « /msg ubottu !bot ». If you're looking for a channel, see « /msg ubottu !alis ». | 22:03 |
| AlanBell | minutes available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/LastMeeting | 22:03 |
| AlanBell | g5236m: he died in 1964, don't think you will find him here | 22:04 |
| code_astronomer | :D | 22:04 |
| * dwatkins logs on to SIP then realises he doesn't have anyone to call :'( | 22:05 | |
| matti | ;] | 22:25 |
| === tubadaz is now known as tubadaz_away | ||
| === tubadaz_away is now known as tubadaz | ||
| AlanBell | http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/889/detail/ | 22:37 |
| ali1234 | i put up my teletext code: http://github.com/ali1234/vhs-teletext | 23:02 |
| ali1234 | you'll need a tv card with bt8x8 or maybe others will work | 23:03 |
| ali1234 | and some old VHS tapes of course | 23:03 |
| * AlanBell tweets http://twitter.com/#!/alanbelltolc/status/58652378697695232 | 23:06 | |
| scoundrel50a | well, after finding loads of things about restarting the wireless, it started working, and I have no idea what started it. Which really, is very frustrating, because one, I would have to go through the whole process again, and hope it works again. 2 if anybody else needs help, I couldnt tell them what fixedmine, which in a sense annoys the hell out of me. A waste really, the same it was a waste with the network, and my Network shares, whic | 23:15 |
| scoundrel50a | h I still dont know what fized even though I went through loads of different things one ofter another. So in a sense, the blind being led by the blind, and as foe helping somebody else, I could c9ouls help of tht either. Complete hit and miss and very frustrating.7 | 23:15 |
| willy1977 | gah... how do I clear my gwibber db again? can't find popey's tweet... | 23:15 |
| zleap | there was something about that in the latest podcast | 23:15 |
| scoundrel50a | To tired now,,,,, | 23:16 |
| willy1977 | haven't had time to catch the latest one yet :( blimmin' work eh! but thanks for that it can wait till I get chance to do it. | 23:18 |
| === Craig_Dem_ is now known as Craig_Dem | ||
| bigcalm | Anybody still awake have experience using the <canvas> in HTML5? | 23:45 |
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