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HazRPGanyone getting updates for KDE stuff when they're not running KDE on their desktop?03:22
HazRPGubuntu 10.1003:22
daubersMorning08:04
MooDoohello all08:07
diplomorning all08:13
AlanBellmorning all08:21
AlanBellI just had my first github patch merged into the tweepy trunk08:21
TheOpenSourcererwtf is tweepy?08:32
TheOpenSourcerermorning vtw08:32
TheOpenSourcerers/vtw/btw08:32
AlanBella python twitter API08:33
AlanBellI got cross with gwibber and the twitter web client so decided to take a more direct approach to tweeting08:33
TheOpenSourcerergwibber is pretty bad... It's a hog and seems to lock up frequently.08:34
AlanBellloving DoctorMo's cartoon http://doctormo.deviantart.com/art/Groklaw-PJ-Tribute-20480174908:34
TheOpenSourcererhotot isn't bad08:34
TheOpenSourcererlol08:34
AlanBellVelma was always my favourite08:35
TheOpenSourcererI was just reading about The Ceylon Project: http://blog.talawah.net/2011/04/gavin-king-unviels-red-hats-top-secret.html08:35
TheOpenSourcererAnd I had a quick peek and vmwares new Open Source could thingy08:36
AlanBells/and/at/ s/could/cloud/ ?08:36
* AlanBell passes TheOpenSourcerer another espresso08:37
* TheOpenSourcerer goes and gets some new fingers08:38
TheOpenSourcerer... less fat ones.08:38
AlanBelllooking at Ceylon I don't think it is very java++08:43
AlanBellit is like one person customising java to the way they want it personally08:44
AlanBelland it isn't as nice and cuddly as python08:44
TheOpenSourcererhttp://netpoetic.com/2011/04/unicode/08:51
bigcalmMorning peeps08:56
iulianMorning.09:01
dwatkinsmoin moin09:06
diploAnyone know of a way of listing users in a svn repo ?09:22
diplosvn-manager-users seems to show create / delete etc but not list09:22
JamesTaitTea and chocolate Hobnobs. What better way to bid you good morning?09:47
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BigRedSJamesTait: Well, you could give me the tea and biscuits? :)09:52
TheOpenSourcererHmm, think I need some moar caffeine (and probly a rich tea or two - that's all we have in the tin).09:53
popeymorning all09:55
bigcalmHi popey et al09:55
oimonregarding mobile phones - should i avoid a reseller that does a cashback as part of the deal?09:56
bigcalmJamesTait: a sausage and egg bap would help me start my day. Brown sauce thanks09:56
popeydepends if you're gonna claim it or not09:56
popeyoooo09:56
popeyi had a choccy croissant09:56
popeyand coffee09:56
popeyand coffee09:56
popey:)09:56
JamesTaitBigRedS: I just shared them with you, what more do you want? :-P09:57
oimonmy friend did one with cashback and the seller convenient "went bust" and he didn't get the cash09:58
JamesTaitbigcalm: I'll arrange that for you. I'll also go the extra mile and eat it for you, just to save you the effort.09:58
bigcalm\o/10:02
TheOpenSourcererInteresting comparison between EC2 and Rackspace cloud services: http://gasoftwareblog.com/home/2011/3/31/amazon-ec2-vs-rackspace-are-all-cloud-hosting-services-the-s.html10:07
BigRedSoimon: I've known a few people do those with some success. No number porting, though. And it it really is the cheapest possible setup. Support etc. is terrible10:10
BigRedSs/is/was/10:10
oimonBigRedS: this one is with phones4u10:11
oimonwell, some other website they own , with better deals on :S10:11
oimon"a trading division of phones4u"10:12
BigRedSyeah, these were that sort of a thing. Just a child company spawned to do exactly that sort of thing. Still, if no-frills is fine and you're organised enough to send the right forms at the right time, it's all good10:13
BigRedSthe lack of number porting would irritate the crap out of me, though10:14
BigRedSand I'm not organised....10:14
BigRedSTheOpenSourcerer: that reads a bit like a Rackspace ad. Though I'm well aware that that might just be Rackspace just being way better than Amazon.10:14
oimonthe number porting can be done by the network provider10:14
BigRedSoimon: ah yeah, as long as they say they'll do it you're fine10:15
TheOpenSourcererI was interested in that Rackspace will probably be running OpenStack (or something very close).10:15
BigRedSI'd hope so! It'd be a bit of a coup for $otherCloudPlatform if they're not :)10:15
brobostigongood morning everyone.10:17
* dwatkins curses Samba's picky timekeeping and corrects the server clock10:17
* popey wonders if there's a new nvidia binary driver in the works10:19
popeythe one in ubuntu is beta isnt it?10:19
popey!info nvidia-current natty10:19
lubotu3nvidia-current (source: nvidia-graphics-drivers): NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library. In component restricted, is optional. Version 270.30-0ubuntu3 (natty), package size 27797 kB, installed size 81384 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 lpia)10:19
popeyhmm, natty has 270.26 beta, current stable is 260.194410:21
* popey wonders if 260.1944 is packaged somewhere10:21
Davieypopey, shhh... don't tell everyone.10:23
DavieyTheOpenSourcerer, Rackspace expected to be using Openstack in production this quarter...10:23
DavieyRackspace UK on the other hand, always seem to be a little out of touch with reality... so perhaps by 2030 for them. :)10:23
TheOpenSourcererlol - thanks Daviey10:23
popeyi want to try the non-beta driver. see if it's better10:23
popeybut I dont want to install it from their site10:23
popeyguess I need to ppa it10:23
Davieypopey, maverick has 260.19.06-0ubuntu1, so you could use that.... but don't expect X to work.10:25
popeyoh of course10:25
popeydamnit10:25
popeyhow well does unity run on intel?10:25
Davieypass10:26
popey00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)10:26
Davieyintel is too much like free for my taste.10:26
popeyspecifically one of them10:26
popeyheh10:26
popeywell, nvidia is causing me monster headaches right now10:26
popeyit seems incapable of reading EDID data correctly10:27
JGJonesI'll check my other laptop - it's a Sony Vaio SZ71E - so comes with dual graphics (nvidia and intel) - but Unity runs well on both10:27
Davieypopey, i'd chat it over with Bryce.10:27
popeyhe's probably very busy10:27
popeyi dont like bugging him10:27
popeymight try passing the nvidia driver a custom edid file10:28
Davieypopey, 'meh'... i would be suprised if he minded.10:29
gord945's *should* work with unity fine, but i haven't booted up my 945 in a long time, the power adapter died - which i took as a strong hint that i should buy a new toy instead10:44
oimonarggh i'm close close to switching to chrome ..stupid laggy firefox (10:51
oimon)10:51
brobostigonsudo apt-get install chromium-browser10:52
oimonchrome=chromium10:52
oimonthere's something really ugly about the chromium UI though10:53
brobostigonchromium is fully OSS, chrome has some closed google stuff.10:53
brobostigonthry are both basiclly the same gui.10:57
oimonany way to get a menu bar on it ?10:58
brobostigonithas a button next to the url bar to bring up the system menu's.10:59
oimonmaybe i'm an old man, but i like menu bars :(11:01
oimoni have pixels going spare :)11:01
brobostigonoimon: maybe there is a plugin then.11:01
davmor2morning all11:01
brobostigonmorning davmor211:02
davmor2czajkowski: ow's the back today?11:02
popeybrobostigon: i thought chrome and chromium were built the same, just with google branding in chrome11:04
brobostigonpopey: i understand it also has some google usage tracking and bug tracking, and also chrome has a partly closed pdf reader inside it aswell.11:06
davmor2popey: no chromium is the open source version of chrome which will mean it's either behind or ahead depending on who contributes :D11:06
* gord facepalms11:13
gordwhy is there a "popup delay" in the alt-tab switcher plugin11:13
gordits set to 0.2 seconds, thats why there is lag =\11:13
bigcalmIncase you hit alt+tab by mistake?11:14
gordif you hit alt+tab by mistake your still gonna switch windows11:14
bigcalmOdd to have a delay then11:14
brobostigonand howon earth would you hit it by mistake?11:14
oimonoh dear, i just hit apps menu and expected to type ccsm...unity is getting to me!11:15
* oimon gnome do's it instead11:16
bigcalmCan you set passwords on tarballs and how secure are they?11:17
oimongord, it's still sluggish though, don't you feel?11:17
gordoimon, nope11:17
gordturn off mipmapping, that'll slow you down11:17
gordbigcalm, i doubt it, just encode the tarball with gpg11:17
oimonno the initial popup but traversing the open windows11:17
bigcalmGrumble11:18
gordoimon, you use firefox right? turn off acceleration in firefox, firefox does insane things that make opengl slow when you have it open - took me a while to find that. turn it off and your entire system is way snappier11:18
oimongord, ah11:18
oimonin about:config?11:19
bigcalmThis is for a client, I fear I might have to use a password protected zip file instead11:19
gordyup11:20
gordbigcalm, password protected zip files arent' very secure11:20
bigcalmgord: nope. Maybe I'll ask the client if they have somewhere for me to send the file rather than putting it on HTTP11:21
gordbigcalm, you can't email?11:22
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bigcalm19mb tarbar?11:22
bigcalmgord: rather not11:22
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bigcalmIt's for a site migration. Lot of sensitive data in it11:22
davmor2oimon: CCSM pulls up the config manager in dash and in apps lens11:23
oimondavmor2: i'm on lucid right now...just sayin' that the unity behaviour seems to be growing on me11:24
davmor2oimon: Oh yes it does very much so I'm hating this box right now it's on maverick I much prefer doing stuff on natty now it's just easier11:25
oimon..so long as you know the app name. i always find that as a very rare user of an apple mac, it's quite hard to find what apps are installed on the machine11:27
davmor2oimon: that's where the app creators keywords come in, Ziestgiest searches on the name, description and keywords which is why CCSM works11:29
brobostigonzeitgeist*11:29
JGJonesHmm...a 7" android tablet for 90 quid?11:33
gordactually app searches aren't done with Zeitgeist11:33
JGJoneshttp://www.kogan.co.uk/shop/7-inch-tablet-pc-android/ - I wonder how bad that touchscreen is...11:33
gordunity-applications-place indexes your desktop files as best it can11:33
gordJGJones, it'll be bad11:33
gordreally bad11:33
JGJonesgord, yeah, however I wonder if with the webcam it can function as a "telephone" for me in house11:34
oimonbetter than a joggler though?11:35
oimonlooks better than my eee pc11:35
ali1234if the specifications are true its quite a bit better than the usual cheap tablets11:37
popeywonder how long that battery lasts11:38
popey3600mAh11:38
MartijnVdS~2 minutes11:39
oimoni wonder if we'll have the same windows tax problems trying to buy tablets when MS produce win8 for ARM11:39
ali1234probably about 8 hours11:39
bigcalmIf you use the same gmail account on more than one android device, do you get your apps for each device or only the one you originally bought it on?11:40
gordhow are microsoft handling the arm transition anyway? i mean, all the applications use x8611:40
ali1234gord: they will just make sure that windows 8 only supports .net11:41
oimonfor 3rd party devs or themselves? they demonstrated "ie10"  on win8/ARM the other day11:41
gordi'm sure they can port their own apps, thats obvious11:41
* bigcalm ponders blowing 90 quid for a giggle11:42
oimonbigcalm: i would if i was a single man11:43
oimonit actually looks OK on paper11:43
bigcalm+7 quid p&p11:43
oimonimagine how many cheap tablets there will be when windows comes along too11:44
ali1234almost none11:44
ali1234because the cost of windows will double the price11:44
* bigcalm tickles popey11:45
gordcheep tablets might kill the market - apple will come out with their next hairbrained device and claim tablets useless by then though11:45
oimonso long as android etc are around then hopefully MS won't get the strnagehold on the OEms and the compulsory win tax11:45
popeybigcalm: did you see my reply from vm yesterday?11:45
bigcalmNo?11:46
dogmatic69oimon: it will be a long time before there is any thing as slick as iPad and at a reasonable price11:46
popeyphone 150, pay one off fee of 30 quid11:46
popeyjob done11:46
oimondogmatic69: long time? maybe 1 year11:46
bigcalmSo it is available to those on mates rates11:46
popeyyes11:46
bigcalmHazar11:46
popeymonthy fee is same11:46
bigcalmSo, are you going to? :)11:46
popeymaybe11:46
popey:)11:46
bigcalmHeh11:46
bigcalmThanks for checking for me11:46
dogmatic69oimon: in one year iPad 3 is out11:46
popeynp11:46
gordi wonder if apple are losing money on ipads, i mean the competition seems to be selling for a lot more11:47
AlanBellthey might be, they will get the money back through the appstore11:48
davmor2gord: where is that alt-tab setting11:48
dogmatic69gord: they sold 7mil in the last month (iirc) and get some serious bulk discounts i should think11:48
ali1234i doubt they are losing money.... the margin might be 0 though11:48
gorddavmor2, in the plugin settings?11:48
oimonmaybe the profits are to be made in the apple tax on the app store11:49
ali1234point of selling ipad with 0 margin would be to get apple users used to the idea of buying from the app store for more powerful software, not just 1 time joke apps11:49
gordwell losing money on ipads might be a valid business plan for apple, making money on app sales could be far more lucrative and getting the hardware in peoples hands makes sense11:49
gordvideo game console manufacturers have been doing that for year11:49
gordyears*11:49
dogmatic69ali1234: yes, apple is the 2nd biggest company in the world because they operate on a 0% margin11:50
ali1234it isn't viable for them to make back the loss in their appstore11:50
ali1234not yet anyway11:50
davmor2gord: that is faster :)11:50
ali1234because people aren't yet OK with the idea of buying something like photoshop for £300 from the appstore11:50
oimoni've never bought an android app in 12 months...but am considering swiftkey after swype has taken a massive downturn in usability11:50
gordyou just live off free applications? bleeeeh at that11:51
popeyi have lost count of the number of iphone/ipad apps I've bought11:52
popeyon android I bought exactly one app11:52
ali1234there is absolutely nothing of interest to me in any appstore i have ever looked in11:52
theduffknightpft11:52
ali1234i would certainly never pay money for software11:52
theduffknightjust steal?11:52
oimonthe best apps are google ones anyway11:52
gordi'v lost count of the number of android apps i've bought11:53
AlanBellI bought no apps on Android11:53
oimonwow11:53
dogmatic69ive not bought a app on android either11:53
theduffknightwhat do you use it for then?11:53
dogmatic69had it since 1.511:54
AlanBellI don't know of any apps that I would want that are not free11:54
brobostigoni bought one, 8pen, and it was kinda a good decision,but also not.11:54
oimonAlanBell: me too11:54
AlanBellgoogle maps is free, midpSSH is free11:54
brobostigonconnectbot is free and OSS.11:55
gordmost apps are like $0.99 - i find it hard not to buy them11:55
AlanBellemail and browser are free, can't think of anything else I would want11:55
brobostigonk9-mail, :)11:55
theduffknightapp on iphone/ipad are worth paying for11:55
AlanBellwhat do they do?11:55
AlanBellI would be tempted by garageband if I had an iPad11:56
BigRedSIn general, the model is that apps on i* are pay-for and on android are ad-supported11:56
* popey looks at all his paid apps11:56
dogmatic69AlanBell: i got an iPad and the quality of apps is *much* better11:56
bigcalmWould people PLEASE stop dangling geeky treats infront of his nose11:56
BigRedSyou're very much expected to make *good* apps for iphone, but cool ones for android11:56
BigRedSof course, you do get both, but android seems a lot more experimental11:57
dogmatic69cool ones that crash?11:57
MartijnVdSI rarely buy apps on android11:57
MartijnVdSmost apps look ugly11:57
ali1234where are these cool experimental apps? all i see is shovelware11:57
BigRedSdogmatic69: yeah, nice ideas, if only they actually worked :)11:57
BigRedSI don't think I've any app on android that actually does what I want, they all sort-of do11:57
AlanBellI had a bit of a play with the android SDK and made a hello world app, but I couldn't think of anything I really wanted to write11:57
gordandroid apps don't crash for me11:57
BigRedSI use four calendaring apps...11:57
dogmatic69BigRedS: agreed, cool for 2 min. after a few crashes... meh11:58
MartijnVdSI just use the built-in calender11:58
gordi prolly buy a new live wallpaper every week11:58
MartijnVdSbut I use google apps for everything anyway11:58
* brobostigon has had no real crashes to speak on, other than with basic apps he has made.11:58
dogmatic69like i got a weather widget for android the other day. in 2 hours it got me band from 3G on O211:59
bigcalmpopey: I guess I'll be able to test my work in a tablet kind of way now11:59
popeymost of my paid apps are games11:59
AlanBellI don't want games, or the kids will nick my phone11:59
gordmobile phone games are baaad :(12:00
brobostigonmy favorite is still k9, :)12:00
popeyi thought we were talking tablets ?12:00
popey:)12:00
theduffknightget them an ipod touch12:00
dogmatic69gord: not on iPhone :D12:00
popeySam loves a few games on ipad, cut the rope especially, and some motor-x one where he can knock the guy off his bike12:00
AlanBellthey have a DS and a Wii and a playstation and a computer running Ubuntu12:00
gorddogmatic69, yeah, they are12:00
gordmobile phone games are basically, what you would call in any other game, an annoying minigame12:01
theduffknightdont tell them about the games on your phone then :)12:01
popeyhaha12:02
oimonMartijnVdS: jorte is a great calendar app on android12:03
oimonfree too12:03
MartijnVdSoimon: I don't care, I use the built-in one and it's fine :)12:03
MartijnVdSbuilt-in apps > most of the stuff on market12:03
oimonjorte is my favourite app actually12:03
MartijnVdSwell the mobile banking app I have is useful12:04
oimonanyone use prey?12:04
theduffknightno? what is it?12:05
oimonit's a app that helps you if your phone is stolen/lost etc12:05
theduffknightok12:05
oimonhttps://market.android.com/details?id=com.prey12:05
dogmatic69where is my ipad :)12:05
theduffknightokk12:05
dogmatic69http://preyproject.com/12:06
theduffknightyeah like find my iphone12:06
theduffknight?12:06
oimonprey works on linux too i think12:06
oimonpopey: when's tomboy 1.6.x package coming :P12:07
popeythanks for the reminder12:07
popeyi use prey on all my devices12:08
bigcalmpopey: called 150. Tried to upgrade and they said I'd lose all of my existing discounts12:08
bigcalmSod that12:08
gordkinda sucks that you have to register12:08
gordyou should just be able to install after you lost the device12:09
oimoni wonder how many people keep the default GO PREY switchon txt12:10
gordi just looked up the bank holidays for this year- they are awesome - two four day weekends in a row12:13
BigRedSyeah12:14
BigRedSit's the take-two-days-holiday-get-11-days-off thing12:14
seekergord: You only just noticed?!12:15
BigRedSer, three days holiday I think12:15
seekerThree days12:15
BigRedSyeah, makes sense :) tue, wed, thu12:15
seekerTues-thurs inclusive12:15
gordi'm away with work on one of the weekends though, so i'll have to push that to another day12:15
bigcalmThis is where working in a 2 man company falls down. Can't take those 3 days off because other bloke already is12:15
oimonthe problem with prey, is that most laptops will be reinstalled rather than cracking my password12:20
oimonso unless i set no login password, i won't get much info12:21
oimonugh banshee 2.0 suffering terrible lag on my pc12:29
popey12:08:57 < gord> kinda sucks that you have to register12:38
popeyyou dont12:38
popeyhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/9456798.stm12:46
popeyooer12:46
oimoncan't use what word?12:49
oimonlooked like the guy was gonna cry12:49
AlanBell"security" I think12:49
brobostigonouch,12:50
oimonwasn't exactly getting grilled, i think they were just natural questions to ask12:51
revo_hello, i am confused, i have wireless and ethernet i would like to use both, but neither are listed in the interfaces file13:02
revo_i used the networkmanager applet 0.8 to set the ip of the eth0 but it just wont take13:03
popeyrevo_: neither will be listed in interfaces13:06
popeyif they were listed there, then NM would ignore them13:06
revo_oh13:08
revo_found it13:12
revo_dodgy ethernet cable, now filed under B for bin13:12
revo_thanks for your time popey13:13
popeynp13:13
popey:)13:13
revo_><13:13
revo_byeseez13:13
MartijnVdShttp://twitter.com/#!/feral_pigeon13:15
TheOpenSourcererAny mod_proxy dudes 'in da 'ouse'?13:16
MartijnVdSTheOpenSourcerer: !ask :)13:16
popeyboyyyyyy13:17
TheOpenSourcererWazzup with this then? Can't get webdav proxying to 8070: http://paste.ubuntu.com/593976/13:18
MartijnVdSTheOpenSourcerer: trailing slash?13:18
MartijnVdSTheOpenSourcerer: it might add a trailing slash too many because your ProxyPass ends with one13:18
directhexTheOpenSourcerer, dav is the devil13:19
TheOpenSourcerer*Everything* on Google has a trailing slash13:19
MartijnVdSTheOpenSourcerer: We found it to be a problem here -- we'd get double slashes13:19
TheOpenSourcererlibertusvm2.lan:443 81.XX.XX.1 - - [14/Apr/2011:13:00:17 +0100] "OPTIONS /webdav/libertus_03/calendars/users/alan.lord/c/Meetings HTTP/1.1" 200 18653 "-" "gvfs/1.6.4"13:19
TheOpenSourcererFrom the apache log. Looks like it's right to me.13:20
MartijnVdSIt's a HTTP/200 as well13:20
MartijnVdSso you got an OK answer..13:20
MartijnVdSWhat's the problem then?13:20
TheOpenSourcererIt doesn't work :-)13:21
MartijnVdSDo you get a message?13:21
MartijnVdSanything?13:21
TheOpenSourcererLighting doesn't do/show anything. Trying to connect to the webdav share with the "Connect to server... " thingy on Ubuntu just timesout after about 3 or 4 mins.13:22
AlanBelluse a browser13:22
TheOpenSourcerernada13:22
MartijnVdSbrowser doesn't work either?13:23
TheOpenSourcererLoads of errors...13:23
MartijnVdSwhich errors?13:24
TheOpenSourcererLike this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/593981/13:24
MartijnVdSlooks like your server is sending errors :)13:24
TheOpenSourcererYes. Thanks.13:24
MartijnVdSIt's complaining that "GET /web" isn't an integer.. which is quite correct :)13:25
MartijnVdSI'd check openerp source for solutions here13:25
TheOpenSourcererBut it works without a proxy.13:26
MartijnVdShmm13:26
AlanBellfunky stuff there, chopping it up into 8 character chuncks13:26
MartijnVdShmmmmmmm13:26
MartijnVdSI'm out of ideas, sorry13:27
MartijnVdSother than "read the docs again"13:27
TheOpenSourcererI wonder if it is to do with "chunks" AlanBell? http://www.atnan.com/2008/8/8/transfer-encoding-chunked-chunky-http13:29
MartijnVdSTheOpenSourcerer: that might be the issue.. but Python's built-in http server supports chunked encoding doesn't it?13:30
MartijnVdSyou can disable chunked encoding in the proxy settings13:30
AlanBellwhat makes you think it is working on port 8070?13:31
TheOpenSourcererIt did before.13:31
TheOpenSourcererIt won't now as it only listens to 127.0.0.113:31
TheOpenSourcererAm trying to stick everything over ssl13:32
AlanBellyeah, I did wget http://localhost:8070/webdav13:32
AlanBellgot loads of the same kind of error13:32
directhexwget isn't too useful for dav13:32
directhexsince you encode your requests in the http request13:33
directhexe.g. not just GET or POST, but GETOPTIONS and stuff like that13:33
directhexwith auth payloads built in13:33
directhexit's a mess :/13:33
AlanBelltrue, but it should give something more sensible than a python error13:33
AlanBellwebdav should be browseable with a browser I think13:34
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scoundrel50ahi, can somebody help with my wireless, its stopped working, I can connect via ethernet, but the wireless just doesnt work.13:40
boffuhow to recover a file from the /tmp folder once i have switched off computer?13:40
directhexboffu, oh, that's an interesting question... boot from a livecd i guess. /tmp is cleared on boot iirc13:41
directhexor take out the disk, put in another pc, and mount the partition13:41
boffuthanks directhex13:42
boffuif that's the only way, i'm afraid re-creating the file is simpler ...13:42
scoundrel50aanybody know how to get the wireless back up and running?13:42
directhexboffu, /tmp really is very very temporary13:43
scoundrel50aI dont have a button, so its automatic, somehow, the wireless has stopped working, it works in windows, but not ubuntu13:43
boffuscoundrel50a, you'd need to give details about what operating system version you're using, and what changes occurred before it stopped working13:43
boffudirecthex, thanks ...13:44
scoundrel50aI installed Ubuntu 10.10 on an Aspire computer, and just booten up, and the wireless wont work13:45
directhexboffu, some distros don't clear /tmp - e.g. re hats13:45
directhexscoundrel50a, can you plug it in temporarily?13:45
directhexscoundrel50a, if you can get it online via a cable, look in system/administration/additional drivers13:45
scoundrel50aI am using the ethernet cable now,13:45
virusuymoring all, greetings form Uruguay !13:46
scoundrel50adirecthex: nothing in there13:46
virusuys/moring/morning/13:46
scoundrel50ais there anyway via the terminal it can be checked?13:47
oimoni have just discovered that alt-tab switcher allows choosing the window with the mouse from the alt-tab list. useful if you have > 50 windows open13:48
gingdoesnt for me, is this on the new unity thing?13:49
oimonGing, no, it's a (default) option in ccsm13:49
oimonstatic application siwtcher -> behaviour -> allow mouse selection13:50
gingi dont think i have compiz13:50
scoundrel50adirecthex: opened that, and it said no proprietary drivers are in use on this system13:50
gingthings like that confuse my tiny mind13:50
oimonmy computer doesn't feel right unless i have wobbly windows13:50
gingwindows should never wobble, it's just not right13:51
oimonscoundrel50a: which version of ubuntu is it?13:55
oimon10.10 i just noticed...13:55
oimondo you know which wireless card it is?13:56
oimonrunning lspci in a terminal should give you a clue13:57
scoundrel50a10.1013:58
scoundrel50aoimon, I will post to pastebin what it says, one sec13:59
oimonadditionally, the exact laptop model would help too, since there are howto's for many acer aspire machines14:00
scoundrel50ahttp://paste.ubuntu.com/593994/ and its an Aspire 5736Z14:02
scoundrel50aoimon: would there be a way via the terminal to work out what is wrong?14:05
gordnooo, engineer guy was doing something in the phone cable cabinet down the street on my way back from lunch, now my internet speeds are 50kb slower :(14:07
scoundrel50ais there nobody here that can help?14:08
oimonscoundrel50a: try..14:09
oimonsudo apt-get install lshw; sudo lshw -C network14:10
oimonthis is a useful page for checking wifi: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessTroubleShootingGuide14:11
oimonscoundrel50a: as a stab in the dark you could try installing the package linux-backports-modules-wireless-maverick-generic, since i've read that problems with your wireless device were solved in lucid during that14:13
scoundrel50aI tried that, and got this, dont know what it means though, http://paste.ubuntu.com/594002/14:14
scoundrel50aoimon, I'll try with the backports see if that does anything14:14
scoundrel50awhere do I get them from?14:14
gordsomeone should sell little self powered monitors that you can just hook up to a vga port when your server is being stupid and you need to see whats going on14:20
scoundrel50afound the backports14:20
Azelphurgord you can get usb ones o.O14:24
Azelphuralthough probably not PnP yet14:24
dwatkinsI'd like a VGA input on a netbook14:26
dwatkinsthere's always serial, of course14:29
dwatkinsthere are VGA to USB adapters, but they're rather expensive, it appears.14:30
dwatkinsI imagine it's cheaper to buy aserial multiplexer or a vga to ethernet concentrator14:30
gordyou could prolly just take apart a small old lcd monitor and put it in a new case14:32
dwatkinsbattery-powered 15" monitor onna cart?14:34
BigRedSloads of old LCD panels are 12V, so a homebuild should be doable14:36
dwatkinsDoes anyone know what wayjump.com is for? I found a shortened URL that links to "track_index.php" with a reference which I assume means my IP address was logged in someone's account, but just wondering if it's worse than that.14:40
dwatkinsgord: or composite-in to a cheap portable display14:53
gorddwatkins, i wasn't aware you can just plug vga into composite and it just work14:54
dwatkinsgord: you can't as far as I know, but adapters are cheaper than a VGA to USB adapter appears to be14:55
dogmatic69anyone know of some worth while security on *nix courses to attend ?15:11
oimonlol, my sister visited her doctor in denmark who didn't know the answer to a question so he tried googling it15:17
seekerWell, why wouldn't he15:17
oimonseeker: doctor i've stopped taking this drug and i'm getting side effects, what should I do? hang on let me google it, maybe yahoo answers has some anecdotal evidence15:19
seekerThere are some decent resources on the web15:19
dogmatic69lol15:19
oimondogmatic69:  i like SANS but i've never done their courses,  http://www.sans.org/security-training/courses.php15:20
dogmatic69... hmmm, wikipedia says you will be fine15:20
seekerThe difference between your sister and the doctor googling it is that the doctor can filter out the stuff that hypochondriacs gravitate towards15:20
oimonseeker, i would rather he have some trusted online medical journal resource15:21
PendulumI figured out what my largest health problem was about 3.5 years before I got a diagnosis thanks to the internet (but not by googling symptoms, by meeting people who had the condition and thinking 'that sounds like me')15:21
seekeroimon: There are resources like http://bnf.org/bnf/bnf/current/15:22
popeyis she certain he used google?15:23
oimonlooks like i might be able to access that, with my athens login15:23
popeyand not a google-powered local intranet search?15:23
seekeroimon: You do realise that there are actually professional / reliable resources on the Internet, not just yahoo answers and wikipedia?15:24
aquariusAny of you lot in/near Birmingham, btw?15:25
oimonseeker - yes although behind a paywall usually15:25
dogmatic69oimon: that looks like a once a year conference type thing15:25
oimonit's possible that it was a customised google intranet search15:25
seekerhttp://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/medicine/15074/SPC/15:26
seekeroimon: That isn't behind a paywall, and probably contains the information he would have been looking15:26
seekerFor15:26
oimonbtw his advice was "i don't know, just take it easy". rather adds weight to the suggestion of an indiscriminate google search, rather than a directed search15:28
seekerNot really15:29
seekerJust means that the information wasn't "if you get this symptom then panic"15:30
oimoncan anyone using firefox or chromium see this page ok? http://www.gassaferegister.co.uk/search.aspx?terms=15:46
oimonmy browsers show white boxes for home/about/news etc, unless you hover over15:47
Azelphurthe main menu links are broken15:47
Azelphurin chrome.15:47
oimonit makes the site pretty unusable15:47
Azelphurindeed15:47
nucc1oimon, http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/mzaliorm/ThreadingSearchMozillaFirefox_005.png15:48
nucc1FF415:48
oimonnucc1: yep, same ..15:48
oimoninterested to see if it works on windows ff/chrome15:48
BigRedSoimon: works for me in ff3.615:50
oimonwindows?15:50
BigRedSoh, not on windows, though15:50
oimonoh15:50
BigRedSoimon: apparently "All OK on Firefox 3.6."15:53
BigRedSfrom a microsoftie15:54
oimonthanks :)15:54
oimonsent them an email15:57
oimonit's hard enough getting a gas man as it is15:57
BigRedSanyone know of an snmp-capable coffee machine?16:03
oimonBigRedS: i was discussing that the other day16:07
BigRedSI just want an easy way to know if there's coffee in the pot. A less manual version of the trojan camera :)16:07
oimonyou could plug a usb moisture probe into a linksys nslu216:07
daubersBigRedS: http://www.jabberdoc.org/ProgrammingJabber <- Author made a jabber enabled cofffee machine16:07
* kazade wants a Jabber enabled coffee machine :(16:10
oimonhmm http://www.kogan.co.uk/shop/android-wireless-keyboard-and-trackpad/16:13
BigRedSoimon: I'm trying to find the 'android' bit of that16:15
AnonymousGeezerpopey: you should have a transcript for the Chris Gutteridge interview in your inbox, fwiw16:15
popeyo_O16:15
BigRedSahhh, it's for an tv thingy that runs android16:16
oimonBigRedS: i think it is an accesory to their android powered tv box16:16
oimonyep16:16
oimoni like the trackpad option though16:16
* popey wonders which inbox AnonymousGeezer :)16:17
AnonymousGeezerpopey . net account16:17
daubers\o/ inbox zero achieved, will it stay that way before I go away for a week is the question16:18
popeyAnonymousGeezer: i dont have a .net account16:19
AnonymousGeezercom, sorry16:19
popeyAnonymousGeezer: alan at popey.com16:19
AnonymousGeezerthat's the one :)16:19
popeynothing yet...16:19
dogmatic69daubers: just remove the port on your firewall ;)16:20
oimonmy definition of inbox zero is 0 unread mails16:22
oimonthat might not be the widely accepted interpreation though :P16:23
oimoni've just noticed some new scrollbars in natty!16:26
kaushalHi16:46
kaushalI have around 100 hosts running sun java6 u20, is there a easy way to upgrade it to u24 ?16:47
kaushalpssh ?16:47
hcfdkaushal, seems a plausible solution.17:01
ubuntu_hi there i have problem about ubuntu startup17:01
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hcfdubuntu_: are you using Startup-Manager by any chance?17:02
ubuntu_i deleted something (about user input screen) at synaptic17:02
ubuntu_now what can i do for work it again17:02
ubuntu_i didnt understand hcfd17:03
hcfdBoot to runlevel 3 instead17:03
ubuntu_how can i do it17:03
hcfdAlso, you may have deleted Upstart17:04
hcfdTry finding and installing that again17:04
hcfdGoogle is your friend17:04
ubuntu_if i can join terminal i can do it17:04
ubuntu_could you help about that how can i join terminal17:05
hcfdubuntu_, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-201130.html17:07
hcfdMy machine boots to console. I edited grub's menu.lst, indirectly, via /etc/grub.d/40_custom17:08
hcfdGoogle is your friend.17:08
ubuntu_hcfd thanks for your support im looking if i have any problem i will make you disturb :)17:09
ubuntu_hcfd i looked around about runlevel 3. in rc3.d directory nothing about gdm and in boot/grub/menu.lst empty17:24
ubuntu_so i didnt do it could you help about that17:25
bigcalmAlanBell: bit of cheak your last tweet :P17:26
bigcalmcheek17:26
popeyoptimistic17:26
bigcalmSod, I replied to the wrong person17:26
AlanBellwell only 30 tickets left, wouldn't want him to miss out17:27
bigcalmTheOpenSourcerer: my tweet to AlanBell was ment for you17:27
AlanBellit was a bit random17:27
bigcalmI fair at the internets17:27
bigcalmI fail17:27
bigcalmDamn it17:27
* bigcalm goes for a cry17:27
MartijnVdSWe can see that.17:27
MartijnVdS:P17:27
TheOpenSourcererThanks bigcalm17:28
TheOpenSourcererNow go and have a lie down17:28
HazRPG\o17:29
HazRPGMartijnVdS: seeing that we can?17:30
MartijnVdSHazRPG: We can see that bigcalm fails ;)17:30
HazRPGMartijnVdS: ah ha! I knew it!17:30
bigcalmNo need to rub it in17:30
TheOpenSourcererFunny if not so sad... http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110413/18085213885/new-zealand-politican-tweets-how-shes-violating-copyright-law-night-before-supporting-three-strikes-copyright-law.shtml17:30
HazRPGbigcalm: *hugs*17:30
MartijnVdSbigcalm: no problem, we all fail sometimes :)17:31
bigcalm:P17:31
ubuntu_how can i run my ubuntu in text mode_17:31
TheOpenSourcererubuntu_: Just install the server17:32
HazRPGubuntu_: remove ubuntu-desktop ?17:32
ubuntu_i removed gnome and i cant boot up my pc17:33
ubuntu_its always stay at black screen when i select normal ubuntu or rescue mode17:34
ubuntu_i thinked i need text mode and install gnome again.. maybe im wrong im newbie17:34
ubuntu_i need your experiments about that17:34
HazRPGhow did you do that?17:35
ubuntu_in synaptic manager i deleted gdm (complete remove)17:35
HazRPGwhy?17:35
ubuntu_i was upgrade 10.10 to 11.0417:36
ubuntu_then it come with unity and i deleted it and tried to install gnome17:36
ubuntu_at this point i did something wrong17:37
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HazRPGhmm, unity is built on gnome dude17:37
HazRPGfor now at least17:37
mrmcanim at learning level17:38
mrmcanso i failed. but i must get it work17:38
HazRPGare you in a liveCD now?17:38
mrmcanyes im in live cd now17:38
HazRPGwhich one?17:38
mrmcanubuntu 10.0417:39
TheOpenSourcererOooh - Mrs TheOpenSourcerer will be a bit late home and she says I can nip out to the pub for a quick one :-) TTFN17:39
HazRPGTheOpenSourcerer: laters dude17:39
mrmcanHazRPG have you any suggestion17:41
HazRPGmrmcan: probably best to boot into a liveCD of 11.04 and see if you can do another upgrade from there... if you can, try and reinstall it without formatting - but I'm not 100% sure of that17:42
HazRPGmaybe someone else can give you some better advice though17:43
mrmcanehmmm okey thanks for your support. if you know how can i join text mode im listening17:44
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CaMasonhi guys. Trying to compile php 5.2.17 on 11.04b. I'm getting an error saying libjpeg.(a|so) not found. I've installed libjpeg-dev, and the lib exists under /usr/local/x86_64-linux-gnu/   - should there be a symlink in /usr/lib ?18:11
CaMasonoh libjpeg62-dev is installed instead of libjpeg8-dev18:15
CaMasonI do have a similar problem with libpng though18:16
DJonesEvening all18:21
zleapHELLO18:22
zleapopps srry, had caps on18:22
CaMasonis there a reason why natty is using '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng.so' whereas maverick is '/usr/lib/libpng.so' ?18:32
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MartijnVdSCaMason: no idea18:34
MartijnVdSCaMason: but gcc should automatically work?18:34
CaMasonI'm tripping up with ./configure for php 5.2.17. The configure script will never look in that x86_64-linux-gnu folder18:35
CaMasonmy knowledge of this is limited, so I'm trying to figure whether 11.04 should be adding symlinks to /usr/lib, or whether php needs to update the configure script18:37
MartijnVdSCaMason: 11.04 comes with PHP 5.3.5, why would you need 5.2?18:38
CaMasoncustom requirement for maintenance of old product18:39
MartijnVdSYou could check the source for the package (apt-get source php5)18:41
MartijnVdSSee how it calls configure (in debian/rules)18:41
MartijnVdSMaybe there is/are some some special command line args?18:41
MartijnVdSDo you have all build dependencies? (apt-get build-dep php5)18:41
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MartijnVdSIsn't there an "old php versions" PPA? Maybe you could try that if it exists?18:42
CaMasonoh yes, there are. But the test for the dir is `test -f $_PHP_PNG_DIR/$PHP_LIBDIR/libpng.so`, so it can never look into the correct folder18:42
MartijnVdSCaMason: did you check the source + patches from the Ubuntu repo? :)18:43
MartijnVdSCaMason: it might contain useful bits18:43
CaMasonI must confess that I've never done such a thing18:43
CaMasonbut I doubt natty has any 5.2 sources anyway18:44
MartijnVdSCaMason: no, I mean check the 5.3 sources18:45
MartijnVdSCaMason: see how the 5.3 package-source calls the configure script18:45
CaMasonmakes sense.18:45
MartijnVdSand see if the package patches it beforehand18:45
MartijnVdSCaMason: it does lots of --with-png-dir=shared,/usr (etc.18:46
CaMasonjust reading up how to do this18:47
MartijnVdSCaMason: apt-get source php518:47
CaMasonyup got it18:47
MartijnVdSCaMason: cd php5-whatever-version-was-extracted18:47
MartijnVdSCaMason: then check debian/rules for the "./configure" line18:47
CaMasonI see18:47
MartijnVdSyou might not need all sub-modules18:48
CaMasonno luck :/18:58
CaMasonothers are just suggesting a symlink19:00
MartijnVdSit expects an in-tree copy of libpng, I guess?19:00
CaMasonit wants $PNG_DIR/$LIB_DIR/libpng.so, where PNG_DIR is --with-png-dir and LIB_DIR is --with-lib-dir19:01
MartijnVdSno19:02
MartijnVdSat least.. it's smarter than that19:02
MartijnVdSthat's why the source package does:19:02
MartijnVdS--with-png-dir=shared,/usr19:02
MartijnVdSthe "shared" bit is the magic19:02
CaMasonwhat does that do?19:02
MartijnVdSit tells it to use the shared-library version instead of the in-tree version19:03
MartijnVdSapt-get install libpng-dev first19:03
MartijnVdSbut then it should work19:03
CaMasonI did apt-get install libpng12-dev19:03
CaMasonhttp://packages.ubuntu.com/da/natty/amd64/libpng12-dev/filelist19:03
MartijnVdSyeah I know19:04
MartijnVdSand the location is good (will be found by gcc)19:04
CaMasonso how could this ever work? http://pastebin.com/9rnC8iaM19:06
MartijnVdSCaMason: where do you see that?19:07
CaMasonin php 5.2.17 configure (and I also beleive in 5.3)19:07
MartijnVdSCaMason: let me read the source19:09
MartijnVdS[brb] :)19:09
CaMasonthanks for the help19:09
MartijnVdSchecking for the location of libpng... shared,/usr19:16
MartijnVdSthat works... configure doesn't fail for me19:16
MartijnVdSCaMason: which error do you get?19:16
CaMasonthis is natty and 5.2.17?19:17
* CaMason configures19:17
MartijnVdSnatty and 5.3, but I can get 5.2.1719:17
CaMasonconfigure: error: libpng.(a|so) not found.19:17
MartijnVdSCaMason: have you tried just getting the debs from a previous version of Ubuntu and dpkg -i'ing them?19:19
MartijnVdSthat way easier than compiling them manually19:19
CaMasonno. This is maintenance for an old piece of software and we've been instructed to use a very specific set of configure options19:19
CaMasonI've not had a problem building in the past. Only now I've set a VM up for natty19:20
MartijnVdSWhy natty, and not an long-term stable release like Lucid (trying to find an easier way out here :))19:20
CaMasonI get the same png issue with 5.3 source (straight from php.net)19:20
CaMasonthis isn't really an issue I absolutely have to resolve - I'm just setting up instructions for natty for the internal wiki. But it's been bugging me why I can't get it to configure :)19:21
MartijnVdSIt's because natty seems to be going multiarch (or something) and things are moving around19:22
MartijnVdSThe developers (#ubuntu-devel?) might know more about this19:22
MartijnVdShttp://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/Implementation19:22
MartijnVdSthat might have clues19:23
CaMasonahhhhh19:23
CaMasonhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/73997719:23
lubotu3Ubuntu bug 739977 in php5 (Ubuntu) "PHP5 FTBFS in Natty" [High,Fix released]19:23
CaMasonnumerous patches including '$DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH' in the test lines in configure19:24
CaMason"we can't use --with-libdir yet because that requires all the build-deps to have moved."19:25
CaMasonso basically, php 5.2.17 wont build properly yet on natty.19:25
MartijnVdSCaMason: now you know why it's broken, and you have a path to a fix :)19:25
CaMasonI will cheat and symlink for now..19:26
CaMasonbut - I now know *why* its failing19:26
CaMasonThanks for pointing me in the right direction19:26
MartijnVdSnp19:27
CaMasonso that must be why libjpg is OK with one version from apt.. one must be multiarch, the other isn't19:28
CaMasonand now I see the patch that fixes it: ++      test -f $i/$PHP_LIBDIR/$DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH/libpng.$SHLIB_SUFFIX_NAME && GD_PNG_DIR=$i && break19:30
DJonesping YaManicKill19:39
scoundrel50aI use a mouse on my laptop, so I didnt notice with the install of 10.10 earlier that my touchpad isnt working, would anybody be able to help get it working?19:51
scoundrel50anobody have any ideas?19:54
DJonesscoundrel50a: Looks to be a bit quiet at the minute19:54
scoundrel50aI just thought I would add what bI had done till now, until somebody might be able to help....19:55
davmor2scoundrel50a: try having a look on the forum's or wiki I suggest google for both19:55
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BigRedSNobody's said anything for an hour; is dr who on or something?20:56
DJonesHeh20:56
MartijnVdSBigRedS: next week :)20:57
* suprengr says "anything"... just to help BigRedS 20:58
BigRedShaha20:58
BigRedSI just alt-tabbed and had a screenload of leaves and joins and wondered what I was missing20:58
MartijnVdSBigRedS: an hour of silence.20:58
popeynjpatel: a question for you...21:06
popeynjpatel: most people I know have dual monitors side by side21:06
popeywhat if you have your monitors one above the other?21:06
popeyyou'll have two global menus, one across the middle of the work area21:06
popeythat sounds less than ideal21:06
popeyis there any way to set it so you _only_ get a global menu on the 'top' monitors?21:07
popey(I suspect not, but asking anyway)21:07
* AlanBell would be OK with a global menu on both in that setup21:07
AlanBellbecause you would maximise stuff to use all of one monitor (or half)21:08
BigRedSIs this unity? 'cause I'm pretty sure I've made Gnome be sensible in that situation21:08
popeyyes BigRedS21:08
popeyhence asking njpatel (the guy who does coding on unity)21:08
* suprengr wonders if alarm clocks for u-uk members are available on NHS21:08
suprengr #ubuntu-uk-meeting is: Next meeting Thursday April 14th at 21:00 BST21:08
BiglespHas the meeting been rescheduled in #ubuntu-uk-meeting?21:08
suprengr;)21:08
popeyoh blimey21:08
BigRedSbah. Everything's unity these days. I should really install it...21:08
AlanBelland the point of the duplicated global menu is so you don't have to leave the monitor that the app is on and go miles and miles away21:08
AlanBelloops is that the time!21:08
gordpopey, no you can't do that21:08
popeythanks gord21:09
popeymaybe a wishlist for OO?21:09
* suprengr hands AlanBell an alarm clock21:09
AlanBellthanks suprengr21:09
AlanBellwell we have a meeting it seems21:09
gordpopey, can't hurt, once we have more time we can make multi-monitor stuff better21:09
scoundrel50aok, back after trying loads of things in trying to get my touchpad working. Its highly possiblle I have made thigns even worse, I dont know. Based on what I see, I cvouldnmt tell you what is the problem or not, I can tell you, its detected, but that is about it. If I can give some information out on What I have found, can somebody tell me if there is a problem?21:12
* AlanBell kicks off meeting in #ubuntu-uk-meeting21:13
AlanBelldaubers ^^21:14
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czajkowskiAloha21:26
AlanBellhi czajkowski21:27
czajkowskihi21:29
* AlanBell hugs czajkowski 21:29
* czajkowski hugs AlanBell it's been a long day 21:30
MyrttiMY BED ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ I've missed you so ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥21:35
* DJones hasn't seen his bed in 6 days/nights21:36
MyrttiI've not seen mine for ... erm.21:36
Myrtti12, and even then I had only one night21:37
DJonesThat doesn't sound good, at least I had an excuse being away on holiday21:39
dwatkinsCan anyone suggest a place where I can register for a SIP account to try out some software clients?21:56
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bigcalmHi peeps21:58
* AlanBell thanks suprengr for the reminder :)21:58
popeypip pip21:59
suprengrAlanBell: np, pleased to be of service ;D21:59
suprengr...& very well done for excellant recovery21:59
g5236m@search ian fleming22:02
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AlanBellminutes available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/LastMeeting22:03
AlanBellg5236m: he died in 1964, don't think you will find him here22:04
code_astronomer:D22:04
* dwatkins logs on to SIP then realises he doesn't have anyone to call :'(22:05
matti;]22:25
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AlanBellhttp://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/889/detail/22:37
ali1234i put up my teletext code: http://github.com/ali1234/vhs-teletext23:02
ali1234you'll need a tv card with bt8x8 or maybe others will work23:03
ali1234and some old VHS tapes of course23:03
* AlanBell tweets http://twitter.com/#!/alanbelltolc/status/5865237869769523223:06
scoundrel50awell, after finding loads of things about restarting the wireless, it started working, and I have no idea what started it. Which really, is very frustrating, because one, I would have to go through the whole process again, and hope it works again. 2 if anybody else needs help, I couldnt tell them what fixedmine, which in a sense annoys the hell out of me. A waste really, the same it was a waste with the network, and my Network shares, whic23:15
scoundrel50ah I still dont know what fized even though I went through loads of different things one ofter another. So in a sense, the blind being led by the blind, and as foe helping somebody else, I could c9ouls help of tht either.  Complete hit and miss and very frustrating.723:15
willy1977gah... how do I clear my gwibber db again? can't find popey's tweet...23:15
zleapthere was something about that in the latest podcast23:15
scoundrel50aTo tired now,,,,,23:16
willy1977haven't had time to catch the latest one yet :( blimmin' work eh! but thanks for that it can wait till I get chance to do it.23:18
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bigcalmAnybody still awake have experience using the <canvas> in HTML5?23:45

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