[03:22] <HazRPG> anyone getting updates for KDE stuff when they're not running KDE on their desktop?
[03:22] <HazRPG> ubuntu 10.10
[08:04] <daubers> Morning
[08:07] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:13] <diplo> morning all
[08:21] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:21] <AlanBell> I just had my first github patch merged into the tweepy trunk
[08:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> wtf is tweepy?
[08:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning vtw
[08:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> s/vtw/btw
[08:33] <AlanBell> a python twitter API
[08:33] <AlanBell> I got cross with gwibber and the twitter web client so decided to take a more direct approach to tweeting
[08:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> gwibber is pretty bad... It's a hog and seems to lock up frequently.
[08:34] <AlanBell> loving DoctorMo's cartoon http://doctormo.deviantart.com/art/Groklaw-PJ-Tribute-204801749
[08:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> hotot isn't bad
[08:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[08:35] <AlanBell> Velma was always my favourite
[08:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> I was just reading about The Ceylon Project: http://blog.talawah.net/2011/04/gavin-king-unviels-red-hats-top-secret.html
[08:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> And I had a quick peek and vmwares new Open Source could thingy
[08:36] <AlanBell> s/and/at/ s/could/cloud/ ?
[08:37]  * AlanBell passes TheOpenSourcerer another espresso
[08:38]  * TheOpenSourcerer goes and gets some new fingers
[08:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> ... less fat ones.
[08:43] <AlanBell> looking at Ceylon I don't think it is very java++
[08:44] <AlanBell> it is like one person customising java to the way they want it personally
[08:44] <AlanBell> and it isn't as nice and cuddly as python
[08:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://netpoetic.com/2011/04/unicode/
[08:56] <bigcalm> Morning peeps
[09:01] <iulian> Morning.
[09:06] <dwatkins> moin moin
[09:22] <diplo> Anyone know of a way of listing users in a svn repo ?
[09:22] <diplo> svn-manager-users seems to show create / delete etc but not list
[09:47] <JamesTait> Tea and chocolate Hobnobs. What better way to bid you good morning?
[09:52] <BigRedS> JamesTait: Well, you could give me the tea and biscuits? :)
[09:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hmm, think I need some moar caffeine (and probly a rich tea or two - that's all we have in the tin).
[09:55] <popey> morning all
[09:55] <bigcalm> Hi popey et al
[09:56] <oimon> regarding mobile phones - should i avoid a reseller that does a cashback as part of the deal?
[09:56] <bigcalm> JamesTait: a sausage and egg bap would help me start my day. Brown sauce thanks
[09:56] <popey> depends if you're gonna claim it or not
[09:56] <popey> oooo
[09:56] <popey> i had a choccy croissant
[09:56] <popey> and coffee
[09:56] <popey> and coffee
[09:56] <popey> :)
[09:57] <JamesTait> BigRedS: I just shared them with you, what more do you want? :-P
[09:58] <oimon> my friend did one with cashback and the seller convenient "went bust" and he didn't get the cash
[09:58] <JamesTait> bigcalm: I'll arrange that for you. I'll also go the extra mile and eat it for you, just to save you the effort.
[10:02] <bigcalm> \o/
[10:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> Interesting comparison between EC2 and Rackspace cloud services: http://gasoftwareblog.com/home/2011/3/31/amazon-ec2-vs-rackspace-are-all-cloud-hosting-services-the-s.html
[10:10] <BigRedS> oimon: I've known a few people do those with some success. No number porting, though. And it it really is the cheapest possible setup. Support etc. is terrible
[10:10] <BigRedS> s/is/was/
[10:11] <oimon> BigRedS: this one is with phones4u
[10:11] <oimon> well, some other website they own , with better deals on :S
[10:12] <oimon> "a trading division of phones4u"
[10:13] <BigRedS> yeah, these were that sort of a thing. Just a child company spawned to do exactly that sort of thing. Still, if no-frills is fine and you're organised enough to send the right forms at the right time, it's all good
[10:14] <BigRedS> the lack of number porting would irritate the crap out of me, though
[10:14] <BigRedS> and I'm not organised....
[10:14] <BigRedS> TheOpenSourcerer: that reads a bit like a Rackspace ad. Though I'm well aware that that might just be Rackspace just being way better than Amazon.
[10:14] <oimon> the number porting can be done by the network provider
[10:15] <BigRedS> oimon: ah yeah, as long as they say they'll do it you're fine
[10:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> I was interested in that Rackspace will probably be running OpenStack (or something very close).
[10:15] <BigRedS> I'd hope so! It'd be a bit of a coup for $otherCloudPlatform if they're not :)
[10:17] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:17]  * dwatkins curses Samba's picky timekeeping and corrects the server clock
[10:19]  * popey wonders if there's a new nvidia binary driver in the works
[10:19] <popey> the one in ubuntu is beta isnt it?
[10:19] <popey> !info nvidia-current natty
[10:21] <popey> hmm, natty has 270.26 beta, current stable is 260.1944
[10:21]  * popey wonders if 260.1944 is packaged somewhere
[10:23] <Daviey> popey, shhh... don't tell everyone.
[10:23] <Daviey> TheOpenSourcerer, Rackspace expected to be using Openstack in production this quarter...
[10:23] <Daviey> Rackspace UK on the other hand, always seem to be a little out of touch with reality... so perhaps by 2030 for them. :)
[10:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol - thanks Daviey
[10:23] <popey> i want to try the non-beta driver. see if it's better
[10:23] <popey> but I dont want to install it from their site
[10:23] <popey> guess I need to ppa it
[10:25] <Daviey> popey, maverick has 260.19.06-0ubuntu1, so you could use that.... but don't expect X to work.
[10:25] <popey> oh of course
[10:25] <popey> damnit
[10:25] <popey> how well does unity run on intel?
[10:26] <Daviey> pass
[10:26] <popey> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[10:26] <Daviey> intel is too much like free for my taste.
[10:26] <popey> specifically one of them
[10:26] <popey> heh
[10:26] <popey> well, nvidia is causing me monster headaches right now
[10:27] <popey> it seems incapable of reading EDID data correctly
[10:27] <JGJones> I'll check my other laptop - it's a Sony Vaio SZ71E - so comes with dual graphics (nvidia and intel) - but Unity runs well on both
[10:27] <Daviey> popey, i'd chat it over with Bryce.
[10:27] <popey> he's probably very busy
[10:27] <popey> i dont like bugging him
[10:28] <popey> might try passing the nvidia driver a custom edid file
[10:29] <Daviey> popey, 'meh'... i would be suprised if he minded.
[10:44] <gord> 945's *should* work with unity fine, but i haven't booted up my 945 in a long time, the power adapter died - which i took as a strong hint that i should buy a new toy instead
[10:51] <oimon> arggh i'm close close to switching to chrome ..stupid laggy firefox (
[10:51] <oimon> )
[10:52] <brobostigon> sudo apt-get install chromium-browser
[10:52] <oimon> chrome=chromium
[10:53] <oimon> there's something really ugly about the chromium UI though
[10:53] <brobostigon> chromium is fully OSS, chrome has some closed google stuff.
[10:57] <brobostigon> thry are both basiclly the same gui.
[10:58] <oimon> any way to get a menu bar on it ?
[10:59] <brobostigon> ithas a button next to the url bar to bring up the system menu's.
[11:01] <oimon> maybe i'm an old man, but i like menu bars :(
[11:01] <oimon> i have pixels going spare :)
[11:01] <brobostigon> oimon: maybe there is a plugin then.
[11:01] <davmor2> morning all
[11:02] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[11:02] <davmor2> czajkowski: ow's the back today?
[11:04] <popey> brobostigon: i thought chrome and chromium were built the same, just with google branding in chrome
[11:06] <brobostigon> popey: i understand it also has some google usage tracking and bug tracking, and also chrome has a partly closed pdf reader inside it aswell.
[11:06] <davmor2> popey: no chromium is the open source version of chrome which will mean it's either behind or ahead depending on who contributes :D
[11:13]  * gord facepalms
[11:13] <gord> why is there a "popup delay" in the alt-tab switcher plugin
[11:13] <gord> its set to 0.2 seconds, thats why there is lag =\
[11:14] <bigcalm> Incase you hit alt+tab by mistake?
[11:14] <gord> if you hit alt+tab by mistake your still gonna switch windows
[11:14] <bigcalm> Odd to have a delay then
[11:14] <brobostigon> and howon earth would you hit it by mistake?
[11:15] <oimon> oh dear, i just hit apps menu and expected to type ccsm...unity is getting to me!
[11:16]  * oimon gnome do's it instead
[11:17] <bigcalm> Can you set passwords on tarballs and how secure are they?
[11:17] <oimon> gord, it's still sluggish though, don't you feel?
[11:17] <gord> oimon, nope
[11:17] <gord> turn off mipmapping, that'll slow you down
[11:17] <gord> bigcalm, i doubt it, just encode the tarball with gpg
[11:17] <oimon> no the initial popup but traversing the open windows
[11:18] <bigcalm> Grumble
[11:18] <gord> oimon, you use firefox right? turn off acceleration in firefox, firefox does insane things that make opengl slow when you have it open - took me a while to find that. turn it off and your entire system is way snappier
[11:18] <oimon> gord, ah
[11:19] <oimon> in about:config?
[11:19] <bigcalm> This is for a client, I fear I might have to use a password protected zip file instead
[11:20] <gord> yup
[11:20] <gord> bigcalm, password protected zip files arent' very secure
[11:21] <bigcalm> gord: nope. Maybe I'll ask the client if they have somewhere for me to send the file rather than putting it on HTTP
[11:22] <gord> bigcalm, you can't email?
[11:22] <bigcalm> 19mb tarbar?
[11:22] <bigcalm> gord: rather not
[11:22] <bigcalm> It's for a site migration. Lot of sensitive data in it
[11:23] <davmor2> oimon: CCSM pulls up the config manager in dash and in apps lens
[11:24] <oimon> davmor2: i'm on lucid right now...just sayin' that the unity behaviour seems to be growing on me
[11:25] <davmor2> oimon: Oh yes it does very much so I'm hating this box right now it's on maverick I much prefer doing stuff on natty now it's just easier
[11:27] <oimon> ..so long as you know the app name. i always find that as a very rare user of an apple mac, it's quite hard to find what apps are installed on the machine
[11:29] <davmor2> oimon: that's where the app creators keywords come in, Ziestgiest searches on the name, description and keywords which is why CCSM works
[11:29] <brobostigon> zeitgeist*
[11:33] <JGJones> Hmm...a 7" android tablet for 90 quid?
[11:33] <gord> actually app searches aren't done with Zeitgeist
[11:33] <JGJones> http://www.kogan.co.uk/shop/7-inch-tablet-pc-android/ - I wonder how bad that touchscreen is...
[11:33] <gord> unity-applications-place indexes your desktop files as best it can
[11:33] <gord> JGJones, it'll be bad
[11:33] <gord> really bad
[11:34] <JGJones> gord, yeah, however I wonder if with the webcam it can function as a "telephone" for me in house
[11:35] <oimon> better than a joggler though?
[11:35] <oimon> looks better than my eee pc
[11:37] <ali1234> if the specifications are true its quite a bit better than the usual cheap tablets
[11:38] <popey> wonder how long that battery lasts
[11:38] <popey> 3600mAh
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> ~2 minutes
[11:39] <oimon> i wonder if we'll have the same windows tax problems trying to buy tablets when MS produce win8 for ARM
[11:39] <ali1234> probably about 8 hours
[11:40] <bigcalm> If you use the same gmail account on more than one android device, do you get your apps for each device or only the one you originally bought it on?
[11:40] <gord> how are microsoft handling the arm transition anyway? i mean, all the applications use x86
[11:41] <ali1234> gord: they will just make sure that windows 8 only supports .net
[11:41] <oimon> for 3rd party devs or themselves? they demonstrated "ie10"  on win8/ARM the other day
[11:41] <gord> i'm sure they can port their own apps, thats obvious
[11:42]  * bigcalm ponders blowing 90 quid for a giggle
[11:43] <oimon> bigcalm: i would if i was a single man
[11:43] <oimon> it actually looks OK on paper
[11:43] <bigcalm> +7 quid p&p
[11:44] <oimon> imagine how many cheap tablets there will be when windows comes along too
[11:44] <ali1234> almost none
[11:44] <ali1234> because the cost of windows will double the price
[11:45]  * bigcalm tickles popey
[11:45] <gord> cheep tablets might kill the market - apple will come out with their next hairbrained device and claim tablets useless by then though
[11:45] <oimon> so long as android etc are around then hopefully MS won't get the strnagehold on the OEms and the compulsory win tax
[11:45] <popey> bigcalm: did you see my reply from vm yesterday?
[11:46] <bigcalm> No?
[11:46] <dogmatic69> oimon: it will be a long time before there is any thing as slick as iPad and at a reasonable price
[11:46] <popey> phone 150, pay one off fee of 30 quid
[11:46] <popey> job done
[11:46] <oimon> dogmatic69: long time? maybe 1 year
[11:46] <bigcalm> So it is available to those on mates rates
[11:46] <popey> yes
[11:46] <bigcalm> Hazar
[11:46] <popey> monthy fee is same
[11:46] <bigcalm> So, are you going to? :)
[11:46] <popey> maybe
[11:46] <popey> :)
[11:46] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:46] <bigcalm> Thanks for checking for me
[11:46] <dogmatic69> oimon: in one year iPad 3 is out
[11:46] <popey> np
[11:47] <gord> i wonder if apple are losing money on ipads, i mean the competition seems to be selling for a lot more
[11:48] <AlanBell> they might be, they will get the money back through the appstore
[11:48] <davmor2> gord: where is that alt-tab setting
[11:48] <dogmatic69> gord: they sold 7mil in the last month (iirc) and get some serious bulk discounts i should think
[11:48] <ali1234> i doubt they are losing money.... the margin might be 0 though
[11:48] <gord> davmor2, in the plugin settings?
[11:49] <oimon> maybe the profits are to be made in the apple tax on the app store
[11:49] <ali1234> point of selling ipad with 0 margin would be to get apple users used to the idea of buying from the app store for more powerful software, not just 1 time joke apps
[11:49] <gord> well losing money on ipads might be a valid business plan for apple, making money on app sales could be far more lucrative and getting the hardware in peoples hands makes sense
[11:49] <gord> video game console manufacturers have been doing that for year
[11:49] <gord> years*
[11:50] <dogmatic69> ali1234: yes, apple is the 2nd biggest company in the world because they operate on a 0% margin
[11:50] <ali1234> it isn't viable for them to make back the loss in their appstore
[11:50] <ali1234> not yet anyway
[11:50] <davmor2> gord: that is faster :)
[11:50] <ali1234> because people aren't yet OK with the idea of buying something like photoshop for £300 from the appstore
[11:50] <oimon> i've never bought an android app in 12 months...but am considering swiftkey after swype has taken a massive downturn in usability
[11:51] <gord> you just live off free applications? bleeeeh at that
[11:52] <popey> i have lost count of the number of iphone/ipad apps I've bought
[11:52] <popey> on android I bought exactly one app
[11:52] <ali1234> there is absolutely nothing of interest to me in any appstore i have ever looked in
[11:52] <theduffknight> pft
[11:52] <ali1234> i would certainly never pay money for software
[11:52] <theduffknight> just steal?
[11:52] <oimon> the best apps are google ones anyway
[11:53] <gord> i'v lost count of the number of android apps i've bought
[11:53] <AlanBell> I bought no apps on Android
[11:53] <oimon> wow
[11:53] <dogmatic69> ive not bought a app on android either
[11:53] <theduffknight> what do you use it for then?
[11:54] <dogmatic69> had it since 1.5
[11:54] <AlanBell> I don't know of any apps that I would want that are not free
[11:54] <brobostigon> i bought one, 8pen, and it was kinda a good decision,but also not.
[11:54] <oimon> AlanBell: me too
[11:54] <AlanBell> google maps is free, midpSSH is free
[11:55] <brobostigon> connectbot is free and OSS.
[11:55] <gord> most apps are like $0.99 - i find it hard not to buy them
[11:55] <AlanBell> email and browser are free, can't think of anything else I would want
[11:55] <brobostigon> k9-mail, :)
[11:55] <theduffknight> app on iphone/ipad are worth paying for
[11:55] <AlanBell> what do they do?
[11:56] <AlanBell> I would be tempted by garageband if I had an iPad
[11:56] <BigRedS> In general, the model is that apps on i* are pay-for and on android are ad-supported
[11:56]  * popey looks at all his paid apps
[11:56] <dogmatic69> AlanBell: i got an iPad and the quality of apps is *much* better
[11:56] <bigcalm> Would people PLEASE stop dangling geeky treats infront of his nose
[11:56] <BigRedS> you're very much expected to make *good* apps for iphone, but cool ones for android
[11:57] <BigRedS> of course, you do get both, but android seems a lot more experimental
[11:57] <dogmatic69> cool ones that crash?
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> I rarely buy apps on android
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> most apps look ugly
[11:57] <ali1234> where are these cool experimental apps? all i see is shovelware
[11:57] <BigRedS> dogmatic69: yeah, nice ideas, if only they actually worked :)
[11:57] <BigRedS> I don't think I've any app on android that actually does what I want, they all sort-of do
[11:57] <AlanBell> I had a bit of a play with the android SDK and made a hello world app, but I couldn't think of anything I really wanted to write
[11:57] <gord> android apps don't crash for me
[11:57] <BigRedS> I use four calendaring apps...
[11:58] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: agreed, cool for 2 min. after a few crashes... meh
[11:58] <MartijnVdS> I just use the built-in calender
[11:58] <gord> i prolly buy a new live wallpaper every week
[11:58] <MartijnVdS> but I use google apps for everything anyway
[11:58]  * brobostigon has had no real crashes to speak on, other than with basic apps he has made.
[11:59] <dogmatic69> like i got a weather widget for android the other day. in 2 hours it got me band from 3G on O2
[11:59] <bigcalm> popey: I guess I'll be able to test my work in a tablet kind of way now
[11:59] <popey> most of my paid apps are games
[11:59] <AlanBell> I don't want games, or the kids will nick my phone
[12:00] <gord> mobile phone games are baaad :(
[12:00] <brobostigon> my favorite is still k9, :)
[12:00] <popey> i thought we were talking tablets ?
[12:00] <popey> :)
[12:00] <theduffknight> get them an ipod touch
[12:00] <dogmatic69> gord: not on iPhone :D
[12:00] <popey> Sam loves a few games on ipad, cut the rope especially, and some motor-x one where he can knock the guy off his bike
[12:00] <AlanBell> they have a DS and a Wii and a playstation and a computer running Ubuntu
[12:00] <gord> dogmatic69, yeah, they are
[12:01] <gord> mobile phone games are basically, what you would call in any other game, an annoying minigame
[12:01] <theduffknight> dont tell them about the games on your phone then :)
[12:02] <popey> haha
[12:03] <oimon> MartijnVdS: jorte is a great calendar app on android
[12:03] <oimon> free too
[12:03] <MartijnVdS> oimon: I don't care, I use the built-in one and it's fine :)
[12:03] <MartijnVdS> built-in apps > most of the stuff on market
[12:03] <oimon> jorte is my favourite app actually
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> well the mobile banking app I have is useful
[12:04] <oimon> anyone use prey?
[12:05] <theduffknight> no? what is it?
[12:05] <oimon> it's a app that helps you if your phone is stolen/lost etc
[12:05] <theduffknight> ok
[12:05] <oimon> https://market.android.com/details?id=com.prey
[12:05] <dogmatic69> where is my ipad :)
[12:05] <theduffknight> okk
[12:06] <dogmatic69> http://preyproject.com/
[12:06] <theduffknight> yeah like find my iphone
[12:06] <theduffknight> ?
[12:06] <oimon> prey works on linux too i think
[12:07] <oimon> popey: when's tomboy 1.6.x package coming :P
[12:07] <popey> thanks for the reminder
[12:08] <popey> i use prey on all my devices
[12:08] <bigcalm> popey: called 150. Tried to upgrade and they said I'd lose all of my existing discounts
[12:08] <bigcalm> Sod that
[12:08] <gord> kinda sucks that you have to register
[12:09] <gord> you should just be able to install after you lost the device
[12:10] <oimon> i wonder how many people keep the default GO PREY switchon txt
[12:13] <gord> i just looked up the bank holidays for this year- they are awesome - two four day weekends in a row
[12:14] <BigRedS> yeah
[12:14] <BigRedS> it's the take-two-days-holiday-get-11-days-off thing
[12:15] <seeker> gord: You only just noticed?!
[12:15] <BigRedS> er, three days holiday I think
[12:15] <seeker> Three days
[12:15] <BigRedS> yeah, makes sense :) tue, wed, thu
[12:15] <seeker> Tues-thurs inclusive
[12:15] <gord> i'm away with work on one of the weekends though, so i'll have to push that to another day
[12:15] <bigcalm> This is where working in a 2 man company falls down. Can't take those 3 days off because other bloke already is
[12:20] <oimon> the problem with prey, is that most laptops will be reinstalled rather than cracking my password
[12:21] <oimon> so unless i set no login password, i won't get much info
[12:29] <oimon> ugh banshee 2.0 suffering terrible lag on my pc
[12:38] <popey> 12:08:57 < gord> kinda sucks that you have to register
[12:38] <popey> you dont
[12:46] <popey> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/9456798.stm
[12:46] <popey> ooer
[12:49] <oimon> can't use what word?
[12:49] <oimon> looked like the guy was gonna cry
[12:49] <AlanBell> "security" I think
[12:50] <brobostigon> ouch,
[12:51] <oimon> wasn't exactly getting grilled, i think they were just natural questions to ask
[13:02] <revo_> hello, i am confused, i have wireless and ethernet i would like to use both, but neither are listed in the interfaces file
[13:03] <revo_> i used the networkmanager applet 0.8 to set the ip of the eth0 but it just wont take
[13:06] <popey> revo_: neither will be listed in interfaces
[13:06] <popey> if they were listed there, then NM would ignore them
[13:08] <revo_> oh
[13:12] <revo_> found it
[13:12] <revo_> dodgy ethernet cable, now filed under B for bin
[13:13] <revo_> thanks for your time popey
[13:13] <popey> np
[13:13] <popey> :)
[13:13] <revo_> ><
[13:13] <revo_> byeseez
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> http://twitter.com/#!/feral_pigeon
[13:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> Any mod_proxy dudes 'in da 'ouse'?
[13:16] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: !ask :)
[13:17] <popey> boyyyyyy
[13:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> Wazzup with this then? Can't get webdav proxying to 8070: http://paste.ubuntu.com/593976/
[13:18] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: trailing slash?
[13:18] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: it might add a trailing slash too many because your ProxyPass ends with one
[13:19] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, dav is the devil
[13:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> *Everything* on Google has a trailing slash
[13:19] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: We found it to be a problem here -- we'd get double slashes
[13:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> libertusvm2.lan:443 81.XX.XX.1 - - [14/Apr/2011:13:00:17 +0100] "OPTIONS /webdav/libertus_03/calendars/users/alan.lord/c/Meetings HTTP/1.1" 200 18653 "-" "gvfs/1.6.4"
[13:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> From the apache log. Looks like it's right to me.
[13:20] <MartijnVdS> It's a HTTP/200 as well
[13:20] <MartijnVdS> so you got an OK answer..
[13:20] <MartijnVdS> What's the problem then?
[13:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> It doesn't work :-)
[13:21] <MartijnVdS> Do you get a message?
[13:21] <MartijnVdS> anything?
[13:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> Lighting doesn't do/show anything. Trying to connect to the webdav share with the "Connect to server... " thingy on Ubuntu just timesout after about 3 or 4 mins.
[13:22] <AlanBell> use a browser
[13:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> nada
[13:23] <MartijnVdS> browser doesn't work either?
[13:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> Loads of errors...
[13:24] <MartijnVdS> which errors?
[13:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/593981/
[13:24] <MartijnVdS> looks like your server is sending errors :)
[13:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yes. Thanks.
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> It's complaining that "GET /web" isn't an integer.. which is quite correct :)
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> I'd check openerp source for solutions here
[13:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> But it works without a proxy.
[13:26] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[13:26] <AlanBell> funky stuff there, chopping it up into 8 character chuncks
[13:26] <MartijnVdS> hmmmmmmm
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> I'm out of ideas, sorry
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> other than "read the docs again"
[13:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> I wonder if it is to do with "chunks" AlanBell? http://www.atnan.com/2008/8/8/transfer-encoding-chunked-chunky-http
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: that might be the issue.. but Python's built-in http server supports chunked encoding doesn't it?
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> you can disable chunked encoding in the proxy settings
[13:31] <AlanBell> what makes you think it is working on port 8070?
[13:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> It did before.
[13:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> It won't now as it only listens to 127.0.0.1
[13:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> Am trying to stick everything over ssl
[13:32] <AlanBell> yeah, I did wget http://localhost:8070/webdav
[13:32] <AlanBell> got loads of the same kind of error
[13:32] <directhex> wget isn't too useful for dav
[13:33] <directhex> since you encode your requests in the http request
[13:33] <directhex> e.g. not just GET or POST, but GETOPTIONS and stuff like that
[13:33] <directhex> with auth payloads built in
[13:33] <directhex> it's a mess :/
[13:33] <AlanBell> true, but it should give something more sensible than a python error
[13:34] <AlanBell> webdav should be browseable with a browser I think
[13:40] <scoundrel50a> hi, can somebody help with my wireless, its stopped working, I can connect via ethernet, but the wireless just doesnt work.
[13:40] <boffu> how to recover a file from the /tmp folder once i have switched off computer?
[13:41] <directhex> boffu, oh, that's an interesting question... boot from a livecd i guess. /tmp is cleared on boot iirc
[13:41] <directhex> or take out the disk, put in another pc, and mount the partition
[13:42] <boffu> thanks directhex
[13:42] <boffu> if that's the only way, i'm afraid re-creating the file is simpler ...
[13:42] <scoundrel50a> anybody know how to get the wireless back up and running?
[13:43] <directhex> boffu, /tmp really is very very temporary
[13:43] <scoundrel50a> I dont have a button, so its automatic, somehow, the wireless has stopped working, it works in windows, but not ubuntu
[13:43] <boffu> scoundrel50a, you'd need to give details about what operating system version you're using, and what changes occurred before it stopped working
[13:44] <boffu> directhex, thanks ...
[13:45] <scoundrel50a> I installed Ubuntu 10.10 on an Aspire computer, and just booten up, and the wireless wont work
[13:45] <directhex> boffu, some distros don't clear /tmp - e.g. re hats
[13:45] <directhex> scoundrel50a, can you plug it in temporarily?
[13:45] <directhex> scoundrel50a, if you can get it online via a cable, look in system/administration/additional drivers
[13:45] <scoundrel50a> I am using the ethernet cable now,
[13:46] <virusuy> moring all, greetings form Uruguay !
[13:46] <scoundrel50a> directhex: nothing in there
[13:46] <virusuy> s/moring/morning/
[13:47] <scoundrel50a> is there anyway via the terminal it can be checked?
[13:48] <oimon> i have just discovered that alt-tab switcher allows choosing the window with the mouse from the alt-tab list. useful if you have > 50 windows open
[13:49] <ging> doesnt for me, is this on the new unity thing?
[13:49] <oimon> Ging, no, it's a (default) option in ccsm
[13:50] <oimon> static application siwtcher -> behaviour -> allow mouse selection
[13:50] <ging> i dont think i have compiz
[13:50] <scoundrel50a> directhex: opened that, and it said no proprietary drivers are in use on this system
[13:50] <ging> things like that confuse my tiny mind
[13:50] <oimon> my computer doesn't feel right unless i have wobbly windows
[13:51] <ging> windows should never wobble, it's just not right
[13:55] <oimon> scoundrel50a: which version of ubuntu is it?
[13:55] <oimon> 10.10 i just noticed...
[13:56] <oimon> do you know which wireless card it is?
[13:57] <oimon> running lspci in a terminal should give you a clue
[13:58] <scoundrel50a> 10.10
[13:59] <scoundrel50a> oimon, I will post to pastebin what it says, one sec
[14:00] <oimon> additionally, the exact laptop model would help too, since there are howto's for many acer aspire machines
[14:02] <scoundrel50a> http://paste.ubuntu.com/593994/ and its an Aspire 5736Z
[14:05] <scoundrel50a> oimon: would there be a way via the terminal to work out what is wrong?
[14:07] <gord> nooo, engineer guy was doing something in the phone cable cabinet down the street on my way back from lunch, now my internet speeds are 50kb slower :(
[14:08] <scoundrel50a> is there nobody here that can help?
[14:09] <oimon> scoundrel50a: try..
[14:10] <oimon> sudo apt-get install lshw; sudo lshw -C network
[14:11] <oimon> this is a useful page for checking wifi: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessTroubleShootingGuide
[14:13] <oimon> scoundrel50a: as a stab in the dark you could try installing the package linux-backports-modules-wireless-maverick-generic, since i've read that problems with your wireless device were solved in lucid during that
[14:14] <scoundrel50a> I tried that, and got this, dont know what it means though, http://paste.ubuntu.com/594002/
[14:14] <scoundrel50a> oimon, I'll try with the backports see if that does anything
[14:14] <scoundrel50a> where do I get them from?
[14:20] <gord> someone should sell little self powered monitors that you can just hook up to a vga port when your server is being stupid and you need to see whats going on
[14:20] <scoundrel50a> found the backports
[14:24] <Azelphur> gord you can get usb ones o.O
[14:24] <Azelphur> although probably not PnP yet
[14:26] <dwatkins> I'd like a VGA input on a netbook
[14:29] <dwatkins> there's always serial, of course
[14:30] <dwatkins> there are VGA to USB adapters, but they're rather expensive, it appears.
[14:30] <dwatkins> I imagine it's cheaper to buy aserial multiplexer or a vga to ethernet concentrator
[14:32] <gord> you could prolly just take apart a small old lcd monitor and put it in a new case
[14:34] <dwatkins> battery-powered 15" monitor onna cart?
[14:36] <BigRedS> loads of old LCD panels are 12V, so a homebuild should be doable
[14:40] <dwatkins> Does anyone know what wayjump.com is for? I found a shortened URL that links to "track_index.php" with a reference which I assume means my IP address was logged in someone's account, but just wondering if it's worse than that.
[14:53] <dwatkins> gord: or composite-in to a cheap portable display
[14:54] <gord> dwatkins, i wasn't aware you can just plug vga into composite and it just work
[14:55] <dwatkins> gord: you can't as far as I know, but adapters are cheaper than a VGA to USB adapter appears to be
[15:11] <dogmatic69> anyone know of some worth while security on *nix courses to attend ?
[15:17] <oimon> lol, my sister visited her doctor in denmark who didn't know the answer to a question so he tried googling it
[15:17] <seeker> Well, why wouldn't he
[15:19] <oimon> seeker: doctor i've stopped taking this drug and i'm getting side effects, what should I do? hang on let me google it, maybe yahoo answers has some anecdotal evidence
[15:19] <seeker> There are some decent resources on the web
[15:19] <dogmatic69> lol
[15:20] <oimon> dogmatic69:  i like SANS but i've never done their courses,  http://www.sans.org/security-training/courses.php
[15:20] <dogmatic69> ... hmmm, wikipedia says you will be fine
[15:20] <seeker> The difference between your sister and the doctor googling it is that the doctor can filter out the stuff that hypochondriacs gravitate towards
[15:21] <oimon> seeker, i would rather he have some trusted online medical journal resource
[15:21] <Pendulum> I figured out what my largest health problem was about 3.5 years before I got a diagnosis thanks to the internet (but not by googling symptoms, by meeting people who had the condition and thinking 'that sounds like me')
[15:22] <seeker> oimon: There are resources like http://bnf.org/bnf/bnf/current/
[15:23] <popey> is she certain he used google?
[15:23] <oimon> looks like i might be able to access that, with my athens login
[15:23] <popey> and not a google-powered local intranet search?
[15:24] <seeker> oimon: You do realise that there are actually professional / reliable resources on the Internet, not just yahoo answers and wikipedia?
[15:25] <aquarius> Any of you lot in/near Birmingham, btw?
[15:25] <oimon> seeker - yes although behind a paywall usually
[15:25] <dogmatic69> oimon: that looks like a once a year conference type thing
[15:25] <oimon> it's possible that it was a customised google intranet search
[15:26] <seeker> http://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/medicine/15074/SPC/
[15:26] <seeker> oimon: That isn't behind a paywall, and probably contains the information he would have been looking
[15:26] <seeker> For
[15:28] <oimon> btw his advice was "i don't know, just take it easy". rather adds weight to the suggestion of an indiscriminate google search, rather than a directed search
[15:29] <seeker> Not really
[15:30] <seeker> Just means that the information wasn't "if you get this symptom then panic"
[15:46] <oimon> can anyone using firefox or chromium see this page ok? http://www.gassaferegister.co.uk/search.aspx?terms=
[15:47] <oimon> my browsers show white boxes for home/about/news etc, unless you hover over
[15:47] <Azelphur> the main menu links are broken
[15:47] <Azelphur> in chrome.
[15:47] <oimon> it makes the site pretty unusable
[15:47] <Azelphur> indeed
[15:48] <nucc1> oimon, http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/mzaliorm/ThreadingSearchMozillaFirefox_005.png
[15:48] <nucc1> FF4
[15:48] <oimon> nucc1: yep, same ..
[15:48] <oimon> interested to see if it works on windows ff/chrome
[15:50] <BigRedS> oimon: works for me in ff3.6
[15:50] <oimon> windows?
[15:50] <BigRedS> oh, not on windows, though
[15:50] <oimon> oh
[15:53] <BigRedS> oimon: apparently "All OK on Firefox 3.6."
[15:54] <BigRedS> from a microsoftie
[15:54] <oimon> thanks :)
[15:57] <oimon> sent them an email
[15:57] <oimon> it's hard enough getting a gas man as it is
[16:03] <BigRedS> anyone know of an snmp-capable coffee machine?
[16:07] <oimon> BigRedS: i was discussing that the other day
[16:07] <BigRedS> I just want an easy way to know if there's coffee in the pot. A less manual version of the trojan camera :)
[16:07] <oimon> you could plug a usb moisture probe into a linksys nslu2
[16:07] <daubers> BigRedS: http://www.jabberdoc.org/ProgrammingJabber <- Author made a jabber enabled cofffee machine
[16:10]  * kazade wants a Jabber enabled coffee machine :(
[16:13] <oimon> hmm http://www.kogan.co.uk/shop/android-wireless-keyboard-and-trackpad/
[16:15] <BigRedS> oimon: I'm trying to find the 'android' bit of that
[16:15] <AnonymousGeezer> popey: you should have a transcript for the Chris Gutteridge interview in your inbox, fwiw
[16:15] <popey> o_O
[16:16] <BigRedS> ahhh, it's for an tv thingy that runs android
[16:16] <oimon> BigRedS: i think it is an accesory to their android powered tv box
[16:16] <oimon> yep
[16:16] <oimon> i like the trackpad option though
[16:17]  * popey wonders which inbox AnonymousGeezer :)
[16:17] <AnonymousGeezer> popey . net account
[16:18] <daubers> \o/ inbox zero achieved, will it stay that way before I go away for a week is the question
[16:19] <popey> AnonymousGeezer: i dont have a .net account
[16:19] <AnonymousGeezer> com, sorry
[16:19] <popey> AnonymousGeezer: alan at popey.com
[16:19] <AnonymousGeezer> that's the one :)
[16:19] <popey> nothing yet...
[16:20] <dogmatic69> daubers: just remove the port on your firewall ;)
[16:22] <oimon> my definition of inbox zero is 0 unread mails
[16:23] <oimon> that might not be the widely accepted interpreation though :P
[16:26] <oimon> i've just noticed some new scrollbars in natty!
[16:46] <kaushal> Hi
[16:47] <kaushal> I have around 100 hosts running sun java6 u20, is there a easy way to upgrade it to u24 ?
[16:47] <kaushal> pssh ?
[17:01] <hcfd> kaushal, seems a plausible solution.
[17:01] <ubuntu_> hi there i have problem about ubuntu startup
[17:02] <hcfd> ubuntu_: are you using Startup-Manager by any chance?
[17:02] <ubuntu_> i deleted something (about user input screen) at synaptic
[17:02] <ubuntu_> now what can i do for work it again
[17:03] <ubuntu_> i didnt understand hcfd
[17:03] <hcfd> Boot to runlevel 3 instead
[17:03] <ubuntu_> how can i do it
[17:04] <hcfd> Also, you may have deleted Upstart
[17:04] <hcfd> Try finding and installing that again
[17:04] <hcfd> Google is your friend
[17:04] <ubuntu_> if i can join terminal i can do it
[17:05] <ubuntu_> could you help about that how can i join terminal
[17:07] <hcfd> ubuntu_, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-201130.html
[17:08] <hcfd> My machine boots to console. I edited grub's menu.lst, indirectly, via /etc/grub.d/40_custom
[17:08] <hcfd> Google is your friend.
[17:09] <ubuntu_> hcfd thanks for your support im looking if i have any problem i will make you disturb :)
[17:24] <ubuntu_> hcfd i looked around about runlevel 3. in rc3.d directory nothing about gdm and in boot/grub/menu.lst empty
[17:25] <ubuntu_> so i didnt do it could you help about that
[17:26] <bigcalm> AlanBell: bit of cheak your last tweet :P
[17:26] <bigcalm> cheek
[17:26] <popey> optimistic
[17:26] <bigcalm> Sod, I replied to the wrong person
[17:27] <AlanBell> well only 30 tickets left, wouldn't want him to miss out
[17:27] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: my tweet to AlanBell was ment for you
[17:27] <AlanBell> it was a bit random
[17:27] <bigcalm> I fair at the internets
[17:27] <bigcalm> I fail
[17:27] <bigcalm> Damn it
[17:27]  * bigcalm goes for a cry
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> We can see that.
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> :P
[17:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> Thanks bigcalm
[17:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> Now go and have a lie down
[17:29] <HazRPG> \o
[17:30] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: seeing that we can?
[17:30] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: We can see that bigcalm fails ;)
[17:30] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: ah ha! I knew it!
[17:30] <bigcalm> No need to rub it in
[17:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Funny if not so sad... http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110413/18085213885/new-zealand-politican-tweets-how-shes-violating-copyright-law-night-before-supporting-three-strikes-copyright-law.shtml
[17:30] <HazRPG> bigcalm: *hugs*
[17:31] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: no problem, we all fail sometimes :)
[17:31] <bigcalm> :P
[17:31] <ubuntu_> how can i run my ubuntu in text mode_
[17:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> ubuntu_: Just install the server
[17:32] <HazRPG> ubuntu_: remove ubuntu-desktop ?
[17:33] <ubuntu_> i removed gnome and i cant boot up my pc
[17:34] <ubuntu_> its always stay at black screen when i select normal ubuntu or rescue mode
[17:34] <ubuntu_> i thinked i need text mode and install gnome again.. maybe im wrong im newbie
[17:34] <ubuntu_> i need your experiments about that
[17:35] <HazRPG> how did you do that?
[17:35] <ubuntu_> in synaptic manager i deleted gdm (complete remove)
[17:35] <HazRPG> why?
[17:36] <ubuntu_> i was upgrade 10.10 to 11.04
[17:36] <ubuntu_> then it come with unity and i deleted it and tried to install gnome
[17:37] <ubuntu_> at this point i did something wrong
[17:37] <HazRPG> hmm, unity is built on gnome dude
[17:37] <HazRPG> for now at least
[17:38] <mrmcan> im at learning level
[17:38] <mrmcan> so i failed. but i must get it work
[17:38] <HazRPG> are you in a liveCD now?
[17:38] <mrmcan> yes im in live cd now
[17:38] <HazRPG> which one?
[17:39] <mrmcan> ubuntu 10.04
[17:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oooh - Mrs TheOpenSourcerer will be a bit late home and she says I can nip out to the pub for a quick one :-) TTFN
[17:39] <HazRPG> TheOpenSourcerer: laters dude
[17:41] <mrmcan> HazRPG have you any suggestion
[17:42] <HazRPG> mrmcan: probably best to boot into a liveCD of 11.04 and see if you can do another upgrade from there... if you can, try and reinstall it without formatting - but I'm not 100% sure of that
[17:43] <HazRPG> maybe someone else can give you some better advice though
[17:44] <mrmcan> ehmmm okey thanks for your support. if you know how can i join text mode im listening
[18:11] <CaMason> hi guys. Trying to compile php 5.2.17 on 11.04b. I'm getting an error saying libjpeg.(a|so) not found. I've installed libjpeg-dev, and the lib exists under /usr/local/x86_64-linux-gnu/   - should there be a symlink in /usr/lib ?
[18:15] <CaMason> oh libjpeg62-dev is installed instead of libjpeg8-dev
[18:16] <CaMason> I do have a similar problem with libpng though
[18:21] <DJones> Evening all
[18:22] <zleap> HELLO
[18:22] <zleap> opps srry, had caps on
[18:32] <CaMason> is there a reason why natty is using '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng.so' whereas maverick is '/usr/lib/libpng.so' ?
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> CaMason: no idea
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> CaMason: but gcc should automatically work?
[18:35] <CaMason> I'm tripping up with ./configure for php 5.2.17. The configure script will never look in that x86_64-linux-gnu folder
[18:37] <CaMason> my knowledge of this is limited, so I'm trying to figure whether 11.04 should be adding symlinks to /usr/lib, or whether php needs to update the configure script
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> CaMason: 11.04 comes with PHP 5.3.5, why would you need 5.2?
[18:39] <CaMason> custom requirement for maintenance of old product
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> You could check the source for the package (apt-get source php5)
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> See how it calls configure (in debian/rules)
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> Maybe there is/are some some special command line args?
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> Do you have all build dependencies? (apt-get build-dep php5)
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> Isn't there an "old php versions" PPA? Maybe you could try that if it exists?
[18:42] <CaMason> oh yes, there are. But the test for the dir is `test -f $_PHP_PNG_DIR/$PHP_LIBDIR/libpng.so`, so it can never look into the correct folder
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> CaMason: did you check the source + patches from the Ubuntu repo? :)
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> CaMason: it might contain useful bits
[18:43] <CaMason> I must confess that I've never done such a thing
[18:44] <CaMason> but I doubt natty has any 5.2 sources anyway
[18:45] <MartijnVdS> CaMason: no, I mean check the 5.3 sources
[18:45] <MartijnVdS> CaMason: see how the 5.3 package-source calls the configure script
[18:45] <CaMason> makes sense.
[18:45] <MartijnVdS> and see if the package patches it beforehand
[18:46] <MartijnVdS> CaMason: it does lots of --with-png-dir=shared,/usr (etc.
[18:47] <CaMason> just reading up how to do this
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> CaMason: apt-get source php5
[18:47] <CaMason> yup got it
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> CaMason: cd php5-whatever-version-was-extracted
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> CaMason: then check debian/rules for the "./configure" line
[18:47] <CaMason> I see
[18:48] <MartijnVdS> you might not need all sub-modules
[18:58] <CaMason> no luck :/
[19:00] <CaMason> others are just suggesting a symlink
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> it expects an in-tree copy of libpng, I guess?
[19:01] <CaMason> it wants $PNG_DIR/$LIB_DIR/libpng.so, where PNG_DIR is --with-png-dir and LIB_DIR is --with-lib-dir
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> no
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> at least.. it's smarter than that
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> that's why the source package does:
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> --with-png-dir=shared,/usr
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> the "shared" bit is the magic
[19:02] <CaMason> what does that do?
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> it tells it to use the shared-library version instead of the in-tree version
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> apt-get install libpng-dev first
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> but then it should work
[19:03] <CaMason> I did apt-get install libpng12-dev
[19:03] <CaMason> http://packages.ubuntu.com/da/natty/amd64/libpng12-dev/filelist
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> yeah I know
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> and the location is good (will be found by gcc)
[19:06] <CaMason> so how could this ever work? http://pastebin.com/9rnC8iaM
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> CaMason: where do you see that?
[19:07] <CaMason> in php 5.2.17 configure (and I also beleive in 5.3)
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> CaMason: let me read the source
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> [brb] :)
[19:09] <CaMason> thanks for the help
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> checking for the location of libpng... shared,/usr
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> that works... configure doesn't fail for me
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> CaMason: which error do you get?
[19:17] <CaMason> this is natty and 5.2.17?
[19:17]  * CaMason configures
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> natty and 5.3, but I can get 5.2.17
[19:17] <CaMason> configure: error: libpng.(a|so) not found.
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> CaMason: have you tried just getting the debs from a previous version of Ubuntu and dpkg -i'ing them?
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> that way easier than compiling them manually
[19:19] <CaMason> no. This is maintenance for an old piece of software and we've been instructed to use a very specific set of configure options
[19:20] <CaMason> I've not had a problem building in the past. Only now I've set a VM up for natty
[19:20] <MartijnVdS> Why natty, and not an long-term stable release like Lucid (trying to find an easier way out here :))
[19:20] <CaMason> I get the same png issue with 5.3 source (straight from php.net)
[19:21] <CaMason> this isn't really an issue I absolutely have to resolve - I'm just setting up instructions for natty for the internal wiki. But it's been bugging me why I can't get it to configure :)
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> It's because natty seems to be going multiarch (or something) and things are moving around
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> The developers (#ubuntu-devel?) might know more about this
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/Implementation
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> that might have clues
[19:23] <CaMason> ahhhhh
[19:23] <CaMason> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/739977
[19:24] <CaMason> numerous patches including '$DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH' in the test lines in configure
[19:25] <CaMason> "we can't use --with-libdir yet because that requires all the build-deps to have moved."
[19:25] <CaMason> so basically, php 5.2.17 wont build properly yet on natty.
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> CaMason: now you know why it's broken, and you have a path to a fix :)
[19:26] <CaMason> I will cheat and symlink for now..
[19:26] <CaMason> but - I now know *why* its failing
[19:26] <CaMason> Thanks for pointing me in the right direction
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> np
[19:28] <CaMason> so that must be why libjpg is OK with one version from apt.. one must be multiarch, the other isn't
[19:30] <CaMason> and now I see the patch that fixes it: ++      test -f $i/$PHP_LIBDIR/$DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH/libpng.$SHLIB_SUFFIX_NAME && GD_PNG_DIR=$i && break
[19:39] <DJones> ping YaManicKill
[19:51] <scoundrel50a> I use a mouse on my laptop, so I didnt notice with the install of 10.10 earlier that my touchpad isnt working, would anybody be able to help get it working?
[19:54] <scoundrel50a> nobody have any ideas?
[19:54] <DJones> scoundrel50a: Looks to be a bit quiet at the minute
[19:55] <scoundrel50a> I just thought I would add what bI had done till now, until somebody might be able to help....
[19:55] <davmor2> scoundrel50a: try having a look on the forum's or wiki I suggest google for both
[20:56] <BigRedS> Nobody's said anything for an hour; is dr who on or something?
[20:56] <DJones> Heh
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: next week :)
[20:58]  * suprengr says "anything"... just to help BigRedS 
[20:58] <BigRedS> haha
[20:58] <BigRedS> I just alt-tabbed and had a screenload of leaves and joins and wondered what I was missing
[20:58] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: an hour of silence.
[21:06] <popey> njpatel: a question for you...
[21:06] <popey> njpatel: most people I know have dual monitors side by side
[21:06] <popey> what if you have your monitors one above the other?
[21:06] <popey> you'll have two global menus, one across the middle of the work area
[21:06] <popey> that sounds less than ideal
[21:07] <popey> is there any way to set it so you _only_ get a global menu on the 'top' monitors?
[21:07] <popey> (I suspect not, but asking anyway)
[21:07]  * AlanBell would be OK with a global menu on both in that setup
[21:08] <AlanBell> because you would maximise stuff to use all of one monitor (or half)
[21:08] <BigRedS> Is this unity? 'cause I'm pretty sure I've made Gnome be sensible in that situation
[21:08] <popey> yes BigRedS
[21:08] <popey> hence asking njpatel (the guy who does coding on unity)
[21:08]  * suprengr wonders if alarm clocks for u-uk members are available on NHS
[21:08] <suprengr>  #ubuntu-uk-meeting is: Next meeting Thursday April 14th at 21:00 BST
[21:08] <Biglesp> Has the meeting been rescheduled in #ubuntu-uk-meeting?
[21:08] <suprengr> ;)
[21:08] <popey> oh blimey
[21:08] <BigRedS> bah. Everything's unity these days. I should really install it...
[21:08] <AlanBell> and the point of the duplicated global menu is so you don't have to leave the monitor that the app is on and go miles and miles away
[21:08] <AlanBell> oops is that the time!
[21:08] <gord> popey, no you can't do that
[21:09] <popey> thanks gord
[21:09] <popey> maybe a wishlist for OO?
[21:09]  * suprengr hands AlanBell an alarm clock
[21:09] <AlanBell> thanks suprengr
[21:09] <AlanBell> well we have a meeting it seems
[21:09] <gord> popey, can't hurt, once we have more time we can make multi-monitor stuff better
[21:12] <scoundrel50a> ok, back after trying loads of things in trying to get my touchpad working. Its highly possiblle I have made thigns even worse, I dont know. Based on what I see, I cvouldnmt tell you what is the problem or not, I can tell you, its detected, but that is about it. If I can give some information out on What I have found, can somebody tell me if there is a problem?
[21:13]  * AlanBell kicks off meeting in #ubuntu-uk-meeting
[21:14] <AlanBell> daubers ^^
[21:26] <czajkowski> Aloha
[21:27] <AlanBell> hi czajkowski
[21:29] <czajkowski> hi
[21:29]  * AlanBell hugs czajkowski 
[21:30]  * czajkowski hugs AlanBell it's been a long day 
[21:35] <Myrtti> MY BED ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ I've missed you so ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
[21:36]  * DJones hasn't seen his bed in 6 days/nights
[21:36] <Myrtti> I've not seen mine for ... erm.
[21:37] <Myrtti> 12, and even then I had only one night
[21:39] <DJones> That doesn't sound good, at least I had an excuse being away on holiday
[21:56] <dwatkins> Can anyone suggest a place where I can register for a SIP account to try out some software clients?
[21:58] <bigcalm> Hi peeps
[21:58]  * AlanBell thanks suprengr for the reminder :)
[21:59] <popey> pip pip
[21:59] <suprengr> AlanBell: np, pleased to be of service ;D
[21:59] <suprengr> ...& very well done for excellant recovery
[22:02] <g5236m> @search ian fleming
[22:02] <popey> o_O
[22:03] <popey> !list
[22:03] <AlanBell> minutes available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/LastMeeting
[22:04] <AlanBell> g5236m: he died in 1964, don't think you will find him here
[22:04] <code_astronomer> :D
[22:05]  * dwatkins logs on to SIP then realises he doesn't have anyone to call :'(
[22:25] <matti> ;]
[22:37] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/889/detail/
[23:02] <ali1234> i put up my teletext code: http://github.com/ali1234/vhs-teletext
[23:03] <ali1234> you'll need a tv card with bt8x8 or maybe others will work
[23:03] <ali1234> and some old VHS tapes of course
[23:06]  * AlanBell tweets http://twitter.com/#!/alanbelltolc/status/58652378697695232
[23:15] <scoundrel50a> well, after finding loads of things about restarting the wireless, it started working, and I have no idea what started it. Which really, is very frustrating, because one, I would have to go through the whole process again, and hope it works again. 2 if anybody else needs help, I couldnt tell them what fixedmine, which in a sense annoys the hell out of me. A waste really, the same it was a waste with the network, and my Network shares, whic
[23:15] <scoundrel50a> h I still dont know what fized even though I went through loads of different things one ofter another. So in a sense, the blind being led by the blind, and as foe helping somebody else, I could c9ouls help of tht either.  Complete hit and miss and very frustrating.7
[23:15] <willy1977> gah... how do I clear my gwibber db again? can't find popey's tweet...
[23:15] <zleap> there was something about that in the latest podcast
[23:16] <scoundrel50a> To tired now,,,,,
[23:18] <willy1977> haven't had time to catch the latest one yet :( blimmin' work eh! but thanks for that it can wait till I get chance to do it.
[23:45] <bigcalm> Anybody still awake have experience using the <canvas> in HTML5?