[03:22] anyone getting updates for KDE stuff when they're not running KDE on their desktop? [03:22] ubuntu 10.10 [08:04] Morning [08:07] hello all [08:13] morning all [08:21] morning all [08:21] I just had my first github patch merged into the tweepy trunk [08:32] wtf is tweepy? [08:32] morning vtw [08:32] s/vtw/btw [08:33] a python twitter API [08:33] I got cross with gwibber and the twitter web client so decided to take a more direct approach to tweeting [08:34] gwibber is pretty bad... It's a hog and seems to lock up frequently. [08:34] loving DoctorMo's cartoon http://doctormo.deviantart.com/art/Groklaw-PJ-Tribute-204801749 [08:34] hotot isn't bad [08:34] lol [08:35] Velma was always my favourite [08:35] I was just reading about The Ceylon Project: http://blog.talawah.net/2011/04/gavin-king-unviels-red-hats-top-secret.html [08:36] And I had a quick peek and vmwares new Open Source could thingy [08:36] s/and/at/ s/could/cloud/ ? [08:37] * AlanBell passes TheOpenSourcerer another espresso [08:38] * TheOpenSourcerer goes and gets some new fingers [08:38] ... less fat ones. [08:43] looking at Ceylon I don't think it is very java++ [08:44] it is like one person customising java to the way they want it personally [08:44] and it isn't as nice and cuddly as python [08:51] http://netpoetic.com/2011/04/unicode/ [08:56] Morning peeps [09:01] Morning. [09:06] moin moin [09:22] Anyone know of a way of listing users in a svn repo ? [09:22] svn-manager-users seems to show create / delete etc but not list [09:47] Tea and chocolate Hobnobs. What better way to bid you good morning? === jamespage1 is now known as jamespage [09:52] JamesTait: Well, you could give me the tea and biscuits? :) [09:53] Hmm, think I need some moar caffeine (and probly a rich tea or two - that's all we have in the tin). [09:55] morning all [09:55] Hi popey et al [09:56] regarding mobile phones - should i avoid a reseller that does a cashback as part of the deal? [09:56] JamesTait: a sausage and egg bap would help me start my day. Brown sauce thanks [09:56] depends if you're gonna claim it or not [09:56] oooo [09:56] i had a choccy croissant [09:56] and coffee [09:56] and coffee [09:56] :) [09:57] BigRedS: I just shared them with you, what more do you want? :-P [09:58] my friend did one with cashback and the seller convenient "went bust" and he didn't get the cash [09:58] bigcalm: I'll arrange that for you. I'll also go the extra mile and eat it for you, just to save you the effort. [10:02] \o/ [10:07] Interesting comparison between EC2 and Rackspace cloud services: http://gasoftwareblog.com/home/2011/3/31/amazon-ec2-vs-rackspace-are-all-cloud-hosting-services-the-s.html [10:10] oimon: I've known a few people do those with some success. No number porting, though. And it it really is the cheapest possible setup. Support etc. is terrible [10:10] s/is/was/ [10:11] BigRedS: this one is with phones4u [10:11] well, some other website they own , with better deals on :S [10:12] "a trading division of phones4u" [10:13] yeah, these were that sort of a thing. Just a child company spawned to do exactly that sort of thing. Still, if no-frills is fine and you're organised enough to send the right forms at the right time, it's all good [10:14] the lack of number porting would irritate the crap out of me, though [10:14] and I'm not organised.... [10:14] TheOpenSourcerer: that reads a bit like a Rackspace ad. Though I'm well aware that that might just be Rackspace just being way better than Amazon. [10:14] the number porting can be done by the network provider [10:15] oimon: ah yeah, as long as they say they'll do it you're fine [10:15] I was interested in that Rackspace will probably be running OpenStack (or something very close). [10:15] I'd hope so! It'd be a bit of a coup for $otherCloudPlatform if they're not :) [10:17] good morning everyone. [10:17] * dwatkins curses Samba's picky timekeeping and corrects the server clock [10:19] * popey wonders if there's a new nvidia binary driver in the works [10:19] the one in ubuntu is beta isnt it? [10:19] !info nvidia-current natty [10:19] nvidia-current (source: nvidia-graphics-drivers): NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library. In component restricted, is optional. Version 270.30-0ubuntu3 (natty), package size 27797 kB, installed size 81384 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 lpia) [10:21] hmm, natty has 270.26 beta, current stable is 260.1944 [10:21] * popey wonders if 260.1944 is packaged somewhere [10:23] popey, shhh... don't tell everyone. [10:23] TheOpenSourcerer, Rackspace expected to be using Openstack in production this quarter... [10:23] Rackspace UK on the other hand, always seem to be a little out of touch with reality... so perhaps by 2030 for them. :) [10:23] lol - thanks Daviey [10:23] i want to try the non-beta driver. see if it's better [10:23] but I dont want to install it from their site [10:23] guess I need to ppa it [10:25] popey, maverick has 260.19.06-0ubuntu1, so you could use that.... but don't expect X to work. [10:25] oh of course [10:25] damnit [10:25] how well does unity run on intel? [10:26] pass [10:26] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) [10:26] intel is too much like free for my taste. [10:26] specifically one of them [10:26] heh [10:26] well, nvidia is causing me monster headaches right now [10:27] it seems incapable of reading EDID data correctly [10:27] I'll check my other laptop - it's a Sony Vaio SZ71E - so comes with dual graphics (nvidia and intel) - but Unity runs well on both [10:27] popey, i'd chat it over with Bryce. [10:27] he's probably very busy [10:27] i dont like bugging him [10:28] might try passing the nvidia driver a custom edid file [10:29] popey, 'meh'... i would be suprised if he minded. [10:44] 945's *should* work with unity fine, but i haven't booted up my 945 in a long time, the power adapter died - which i took as a strong hint that i should buy a new toy instead [10:51] arggh i'm close close to switching to chrome ..stupid laggy firefox ( [10:51] ) [10:52] sudo apt-get install chromium-browser [10:52] chrome=chromium [10:53] there's something really ugly about the chromium UI though [10:53] chromium is fully OSS, chrome has some closed google stuff. [10:57] thry are both basiclly the same gui. [10:58] any way to get a menu bar on it ? [10:59] ithas a button next to the url bar to bring up the system menu's. [11:01] maybe i'm an old man, but i like menu bars :( [11:01] i have pixels going spare :) [11:01] oimon: maybe there is a plugin then. [11:01] morning all [11:02] morning davmor2 [11:02] czajkowski: ow's the back today? [11:04] brobostigon: i thought chrome and chromium were built the same, just with google branding in chrome [11:06] popey: i understand it also has some google usage tracking and bug tracking, and also chrome has a partly closed pdf reader inside it aswell. [11:06] popey: no chromium is the open source version of chrome which will mean it's either behind or ahead depending on who contributes :D [11:13] * gord facepalms [11:13] why is there a "popup delay" in the alt-tab switcher plugin [11:13] its set to 0.2 seconds, thats why there is lag =\ [11:14] Incase you hit alt+tab by mistake? [11:14] if you hit alt+tab by mistake your still gonna switch windows [11:14] Odd to have a delay then [11:14] and howon earth would you hit it by mistake? [11:15] oh dear, i just hit apps menu and expected to type ccsm...unity is getting to me! [11:16] * oimon gnome do's it instead [11:17] Can you set passwords on tarballs and how secure are they? [11:17] gord, it's still sluggish though, don't you feel? [11:17] oimon, nope [11:17] turn off mipmapping, that'll slow you down [11:17] bigcalm, i doubt it, just encode the tarball with gpg [11:17] no the initial popup but traversing the open windows [11:18] Grumble [11:18] oimon, you use firefox right? turn off acceleration in firefox, firefox does insane things that make opengl slow when you have it open - took me a while to find that. turn it off and your entire system is way snappier [11:18] gord, ah [11:19] in about:config? [11:19] This is for a client, I fear I might have to use a password protected zip file instead [11:20] yup [11:20] bigcalm, password protected zip files arent' very secure [11:21] gord: nope. Maybe I'll ask the client if they have somewhere for me to send the file rather than putting it on HTTP [11:22] bigcalm, you can't email? === Guest95063 is now known as screen-x [11:22] 19mb tarbar? [11:22] gord: rather not === screen-x is now known as Guest98966 [11:22] It's for a site migration. Lot of sensitive data in it [11:23] oimon: CCSM pulls up the config manager in dash and in apps lens [11:24] davmor2: i'm on lucid right now...just sayin' that the unity behaviour seems to be growing on me [11:25] oimon: Oh yes it does very much so I'm hating this box right now it's on maverick I much prefer doing stuff on natty now it's just easier [11:27] ..so long as you know the app name. i always find that as a very rare user of an apple mac, it's quite hard to find what apps are installed on the machine [11:29] oimon: that's where the app creators keywords come in, Ziestgiest searches on the name, description and keywords which is why CCSM works [11:29] zeitgeist* [11:33] Hmm...a 7" android tablet for 90 quid? [11:33] actually app searches aren't done with Zeitgeist [11:33] http://www.kogan.co.uk/shop/7-inch-tablet-pc-android/ - I wonder how bad that touchscreen is... [11:33] unity-applications-place indexes your desktop files as best it can [11:33] JGJones, it'll be bad [11:33] really bad [11:34] gord, yeah, however I wonder if with the webcam it can function as a "telephone" for me in house [11:35] better than a joggler though? [11:35] looks better than my eee pc [11:37] if the specifications are true its quite a bit better than the usual cheap tablets [11:38] wonder how long that battery lasts [11:38] 3600mAh [11:39] ~2 minutes [11:39] i wonder if we'll have the same windows tax problems trying to buy tablets when MS produce win8 for ARM [11:39] probably about 8 hours [11:40] If you use the same gmail account on more than one android device, do you get your apps for each device or only the one you originally bought it on? [11:40] how are microsoft handling the arm transition anyway? i mean, all the applications use x86 [11:41] gord: they will just make sure that windows 8 only supports .net [11:41] for 3rd party devs or themselves? they demonstrated "ie10" on win8/ARM the other day [11:41] i'm sure they can port their own apps, thats obvious [11:42] * bigcalm ponders blowing 90 quid for a giggle [11:43] bigcalm: i would if i was a single man [11:43] it actually looks OK on paper [11:43] +7 quid p&p [11:44] imagine how many cheap tablets there will be when windows comes along too [11:44] almost none [11:44] because the cost of windows will double the price [11:45] * bigcalm tickles popey [11:45] cheep tablets might kill the market - apple will come out with their next hairbrained device and claim tablets useless by then though [11:45] so long as android etc are around then hopefully MS won't get the strnagehold on the OEms and the compulsory win tax [11:45] bigcalm: did you see my reply from vm yesterday? [11:46] No? [11:46] oimon: it will be a long time before there is any thing as slick as iPad and at a reasonable price [11:46] phone 150, pay one off fee of 30 quid [11:46] job done [11:46] dogmatic69: long time? maybe 1 year [11:46] So it is available to those on mates rates [11:46] yes [11:46] Hazar [11:46] monthy fee is same [11:46] So, are you going to? :) [11:46] maybe [11:46] :) [11:46] Heh [11:46] Thanks for checking for me [11:46] oimon: in one year iPad 3 is out [11:46] np [11:47] i wonder if apple are losing money on ipads, i mean the competition seems to be selling for a lot more [11:48] they might be, they will get the money back through the appstore [11:48] gord: where is that alt-tab setting [11:48] gord: they sold 7mil in the last month (iirc) and get some serious bulk discounts i should think [11:48] i doubt they are losing money.... the margin might be 0 though [11:48] davmor2, in the plugin settings? [11:49] maybe the profits are to be made in the apple tax on the app store [11:49] point of selling ipad with 0 margin would be to get apple users used to the idea of buying from the app store for more powerful software, not just 1 time joke apps [11:49] well losing money on ipads might be a valid business plan for apple, making money on app sales could be far more lucrative and getting the hardware in peoples hands makes sense [11:49] video game console manufacturers have been doing that for year [11:49] years* [11:50] ali1234: yes, apple is the 2nd biggest company in the world because they operate on a 0% margin [11:50] it isn't viable for them to make back the loss in their appstore [11:50] not yet anyway [11:50] gord: that is faster :) [11:50] because people aren't yet OK with the idea of buying something like photoshop for £300 from the appstore [11:50] i've never bought an android app in 12 months...but am considering swiftkey after swype has taken a massive downturn in usability [11:51] you just live off free applications? bleeeeh at that [11:52] i have lost count of the number of iphone/ipad apps I've bought [11:52] on android I bought exactly one app [11:52] there is absolutely nothing of interest to me in any appstore i have ever looked in [11:52] pft [11:52] i would certainly never pay money for software [11:52] just steal? [11:52] the best apps are google ones anyway [11:53] i'v lost count of the number of android apps i've bought [11:53] I bought no apps on Android [11:53] wow [11:53] ive not bought a app on android either [11:53] what do you use it for then? [11:54] had it since 1.5 [11:54] I don't know of any apps that I would want that are not free [11:54] i bought one, 8pen, and it was kinda a good decision,but also not. [11:54] AlanBell: me too [11:54] google maps is free, midpSSH is free [11:55] connectbot is free and OSS. [11:55] most apps are like $0.99 - i find it hard not to buy them [11:55] email and browser are free, can't think of anything else I would want [11:55] k9-mail, :) [11:55] app on iphone/ipad are worth paying for [11:55] what do they do? [11:56] I would be tempted by garageband if I had an iPad [11:56] In general, the model is that apps on i* are pay-for and on android are ad-supported [11:56] * popey looks at all his paid apps [11:56] AlanBell: i got an iPad and the quality of apps is *much* better [11:56] Would people PLEASE stop dangling geeky treats infront of his nose [11:56] you're very much expected to make *good* apps for iphone, but cool ones for android [11:57] of course, you do get both, but android seems a lot more experimental [11:57] cool ones that crash? [11:57] I rarely buy apps on android [11:57] most apps look ugly [11:57] where are these cool experimental apps? all i see is shovelware [11:57] dogmatic69: yeah, nice ideas, if only they actually worked :) [11:57] I don't think I've any app on android that actually does what I want, they all sort-of do [11:57] I had a bit of a play with the android SDK and made a hello world app, but I couldn't think of anything I really wanted to write [11:57] android apps don't crash for me [11:57] I use four calendaring apps... [11:58] BigRedS: agreed, cool for 2 min. after a few crashes... meh [11:58] I just use the built-in calender [11:58] i prolly buy a new live wallpaper every week [11:58] but I use google apps for everything anyway [11:58] * brobostigon has had no real crashes to speak on, other than with basic apps he has made. [11:59] like i got a weather widget for android the other day. in 2 hours it got me band from 3G on O2 [11:59] popey: I guess I'll be able to test my work in a tablet kind of way now [11:59] most of my paid apps are games [11:59] I don't want games, or the kids will nick my phone [12:00] mobile phone games are baaad :( [12:00] my favorite is still k9, :) [12:00] i thought we were talking tablets ? [12:00] :) [12:00] get them an ipod touch [12:00] gord: not on iPhone :D [12:00] Sam loves a few games on ipad, cut the rope especially, and some motor-x one where he can knock the guy off his bike [12:00] they have a DS and a Wii and a playstation and a computer running Ubuntu [12:00] dogmatic69, yeah, they are [12:01] mobile phone games are basically, what you would call in any other game, an annoying minigame [12:01] dont tell them about the games on your phone then :) [12:02] haha [12:03] MartijnVdS: jorte is a great calendar app on android [12:03] free too [12:03] oimon: I don't care, I use the built-in one and it's fine :) [12:03] built-in apps > most of the stuff on market [12:03] jorte is my favourite app actually [12:04] well the mobile banking app I have is useful [12:04] anyone use prey? [12:05] no? what is it? [12:05] it's a app that helps you if your phone is stolen/lost etc [12:05] ok [12:05] https://market.android.com/details?id=com.prey [12:05] where is my ipad :) [12:05] okk [12:06] http://preyproject.com/ [12:06] yeah like find my iphone [12:06] ? [12:06] prey works on linux too i think [12:07] popey: when's tomboy 1.6.x package coming :P [12:07] thanks for the reminder [12:08] i use prey on all my devices [12:08] popey: called 150. Tried to upgrade and they said I'd lose all of my existing discounts [12:08] Sod that [12:08] kinda sucks that you have to register [12:09] you should just be able to install after you lost the device [12:10] i wonder how many people keep the default GO PREY switchon txt [12:13] i just looked up the bank holidays for this year- they are awesome - two four day weekends in a row [12:14] yeah [12:14] it's the take-two-days-holiday-get-11-days-off thing [12:15] gord: You only just noticed?! [12:15] er, three days holiday I think [12:15] Three days [12:15] yeah, makes sense :) tue, wed, thu [12:15] Tues-thurs inclusive [12:15] i'm away with work on one of the weekends though, so i'll have to push that to another day [12:15] This is where working in a 2 man company falls down. Can't take those 3 days off because other bloke already is [12:20] the problem with prey, is that most laptops will be reinstalled rather than cracking my password [12:21] so unless i set no login password, i won't get much info [12:29] ugh banshee 2.0 suffering terrible lag on my pc [12:38] 12:08:57 < gord> kinda sucks that you have to register [12:38] you dont [12:46] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/9456798.stm [12:46] ooer [12:49] can't use what word? [12:49] looked like the guy was gonna cry [12:49] "security" I think [12:50] ouch, [12:51] wasn't exactly getting grilled, i think they were just natural questions to ask [13:02] hello, i am confused, i have wireless and ethernet i would like to use both, but neither are listed in the interfaces file [13:03] i used the networkmanager applet 0.8 to set the ip of the eth0 but it just wont take [13:06] revo_: neither will be listed in interfaces [13:06] if they were listed there, then NM would ignore them [13:08] oh [13:12] found it [13:12] dodgy ethernet cable, now filed under B for bin [13:13] thanks for your time popey [13:13] np [13:13] :) [13:13] >< [13:13] byeseez [13:15] http://twitter.com/#!/feral_pigeon [13:16] Any mod_proxy dudes 'in da 'ouse'? [13:16] TheOpenSourcerer: !ask :) [13:17] boyyyyyy [13:18] Wazzup with this then? Can't get webdav proxying to 8070: http://paste.ubuntu.com/593976/ [13:18] TheOpenSourcerer: trailing slash? [13:18] TheOpenSourcerer: it might add a trailing slash too many because your ProxyPass ends with one [13:19] TheOpenSourcerer, dav is the devil [13:19] *Everything* on Google has a trailing slash [13:19] TheOpenSourcerer: We found it to be a problem here -- we'd get double slashes [13:19] libertusvm2.lan:443 81.XX.XX.1 - - [14/Apr/2011:13:00:17 +0100] "OPTIONS /webdav/libertus_03/calendars/users/alan.lord/c/Meetings HTTP/1.1" 200 18653 "-" "gvfs/1.6.4" [13:20] From the apache log. Looks like it's right to me. [13:20] It's a HTTP/200 as well [13:20] so you got an OK answer.. [13:20] What's the problem then? [13:21] It doesn't work :-) [13:21] Do you get a message? [13:21] anything? [13:22] Lighting doesn't do/show anything. Trying to connect to the webdav share with the "Connect to server... " thingy on Ubuntu just timesout after about 3 or 4 mins. [13:22] use a browser [13:22] nada [13:23] browser doesn't work either? [13:23] Loads of errors... [13:24] which errors? [13:24] Like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/593981/ [13:24] looks like your server is sending errors :) [13:24] Yes. Thanks. [13:25] It's complaining that "GET /web" isn't an integer.. which is quite correct :) [13:25] I'd check openerp source for solutions here [13:26] But it works without a proxy. [13:26] hmm [13:26] funky stuff there, chopping it up into 8 character chuncks [13:26] hmmmmmmm [13:27] I'm out of ideas, sorry [13:27] other than "read the docs again" [13:29] I wonder if it is to do with "chunks" AlanBell? http://www.atnan.com/2008/8/8/transfer-encoding-chunked-chunky-http [13:30] TheOpenSourcerer: that might be the issue.. but Python's built-in http server supports chunked encoding doesn't it? [13:30] you can disable chunked encoding in the proxy settings [13:31] what makes you think it is working on port 8070? [13:31] It did before. [13:31] It won't now as it only listens to 127.0.0.1 [13:32] Am trying to stick everything over ssl [13:32] yeah, I did wget http://localhost:8070/webdav [13:32] got loads of the same kind of error [13:32] wget isn't too useful for dav [13:33] since you encode your requests in the http request [13:33] e.g. not just GET or POST, but GETOPTIONS and stuff like that [13:33] with auth payloads built in [13:33] it's a mess :/ [13:33] true, but it should give something more sensible than a python error [13:34] webdav should be browseable with a browser I think === bo is now known as Guest12700 === Guest12700 is now known as nke === nke is now known as betteroffu === betteroffu is now known as boffu [13:40] hi, can somebody help with my wireless, its stopped working, I can connect via ethernet, but the wireless just doesnt work. [13:40] how to recover a file from the /tmp folder once i have switched off computer? [13:41] boffu, oh, that's an interesting question... boot from a livecd i guess. /tmp is cleared on boot iirc [13:41] or take out the disk, put in another pc, and mount the partition [13:42] thanks directhex [13:42] if that's the only way, i'm afraid re-creating the file is simpler ... [13:42] anybody know how to get the wireless back up and running? [13:43] boffu, /tmp really is very very temporary [13:43] I dont have a button, so its automatic, somehow, the wireless has stopped working, it works in windows, but not ubuntu [13:43] scoundrel50a, you'd need to give details about what operating system version you're using, and what changes occurred before it stopped working [13:44] directhex, thanks ... [13:45] I installed Ubuntu 10.10 on an Aspire computer, and just booten up, and the wireless wont work [13:45] boffu, some distros don't clear /tmp - e.g. re hats [13:45] scoundrel50a, can you plug it in temporarily? [13:45] scoundrel50a, if you can get it online via a cable, look in system/administration/additional drivers [13:45] I am using the ethernet cable now, [13:46] moring all, greetings form Uruguay ! [13:46] directhex: nothing in there [13:46] s/moring/morning/ [13:47] is there anyway via the terminal it can be checked? [13:48] i have just discovered that alt-tab switcher allows choosing the window with the mouse from the alt-tab list. useful if you have > 50 windows open [13:49] doesnt for me, is this on the new unity thing? [13:49] Ging, no, it's a (default) option in ccsm [13:50] static application siwtcher -> behaviour -> allow mouse selection [13:50] i dont think i have compiz [13:50] directhex: opened that, and it said no proprietary drivers are in use on this system [13:50] things like that confuse my tiny mind [13:50] my computer doesn't feel right unless i have wobbly windows [13:51] windows should never wobble, it's just not right [13:55]