[00:24] * iheartubuntu enters ggzgamingzone chess server via glChess [02:44] if there are any soccer fans here... LA Galaxy and David Beckham are playing now... http://www.justin.tv/dysreflex#/w/1079624032 [02:45] i'm typing this from natty beta2 [02:46] my laptop is 10.10 [02:46] i cant handle unity [02:46] i went to ubuntu classic in natty [02:47] what's wrong with unity? [02:47] kevin see if your flash works... http://www.justin.tv/dysreflex#/w/1079624032 [02:47] la galaxy game [02:47] i just have to learn how to invert colors [02:48] iheartubuntu: i'm using 64bit [02:48] and trying to install now [02:48] u have no flash? [02:48] hopefully there's enough room on liveusb, otherwise i may have to install to hdd [02:51] iheartubuntu: nope, i'll have to get another usbstick before i try to get that working [02:51] dang [02:51] oddly, there really isn't much flash content that i think would make natty a deal breaker [02:57] kevin5574: hate to break it to you, but beta 2 doesn't exist yet. [02:58] he can dream right? [02:58] :) [03:01] nhaines: i guess not officially [03:01] supposedly it'll be out tomorrow [03:10] The full CD set (desktop/install/server/alt install/netbook images) for all supported versions of Ubuntu, with latest point releases only of LTS releases comes to 59.5GB. [03:13] why so big? [03:13] ohh ok all supported versions [03:14] iheartubuntu: from 4.10 to 10.10. [03:14] and tomorrow I'll grab all the beta 2 images for 11.04. [03:15] hears where i got the beta2 iso: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/5460 [03:16] There are no beta 2 images at that site. [03:17] why do you say this? [03:17] we're probably looking at about 18 hours until Ubuntu 11.04 beta 2, and it'll be available at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing [03:17] kevin5574: because the release manager hasn't announced a beta 2 release, and it doesn't exist until then. [03:18] nhaines: it says "we are currently tsting candidates for Natty Beta 2" [03:18] furthermore, this iso boot, the one @ releases.ubuntu.com did not [03:19] kevin5574: "candidates" == "not beta 2", plus http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/ has beta 1 images and does not have anything to do with the qa site. [03:19] nhaines: it's a beta 2 candidate [03:19] * kevin5574 shrugs [03:19] kevin5574: it's not beta 2. [03:20] its not beta 2, its beta fish [03:20] nhaines: i hear ya' [03:20] the iso @ releases.ubuntu.com wouldn't boot from liveusb on my system [03:20] not sure what changed [03:20] i was thinking i wouldn't be able to install natty [03:25] Does the livecd back down to unity2d on systems that don't support 3d? That could be the problem. [03:25] I know I've had trouble with earlier ubuntu livecds not booting because they assumed 3D/DRI and wouldn't work without it. [03:25] akk:no, it doesn't, but it should fallback to Ubuntu Classic. [03:25] oneiric will fallback to Unity2D. [03:26] But it does try to detect if X didn't start or had a problem, and fall back automatically? [03:26] Installing Ubuntu 11.04 and then installing Unity2D will cause "Ubuntu" to fallback to Unity2D, and "Ubuntu Classic" is still available. [03:26] (historically ubuntu hasn't checked, it just assumed) [03:27] akk: no, Unity is a Compiz plugin and X will run with or without 2D. If X can't run it falls back to a recovery prompt. [03:27] when does unity start in the boot process? before gdm? [03:27] Unity is a GNOME Session, so it starts after you log in after gdm. [03:27] I always got failure modes of total system hang -- X would try to start and hang the system. [03:27] yeah, it wasn't a unity problem then [03:28] You can run '/usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p' to see whether Unity is supported or not. [03:38] akk: what video card? [03:39] kevin5574: Most of the hard hangs I got were on an old laptop, S3 Savage video card. [03:40] akk: that is interesting, so you're problem sounds specific to the video card [03:40] No 3d, and trying to enable it freezes the kernel, but Ubuntu didn't have any no-DRI option. [03:40] mine is probably with the quirky bios on this system [03:40] my notebook has 3d, but it is *very* far from spectacular [03:44] not that i'm ungrateful for it :/ [03:44] Yeah, my current one supposedly has it and I know the card can do it, but 3d apps mostly seem to be doing software GL, super jerky and slow. [03:47] basically, compiz stuff works fine [03:48] but like, 3d games run jerky [03:48] and i mean old real time strategy games, like total annihilation [03:48] what kind of video card do you have on your current one? [03:49] so, there is some hardware acceleration, just not as much as with the big 2 [03:50] when i bought this notebook, i didn't buy it for games though [03:50] speaking of which, i should probably reboot, bbl [03:53] 'sup dudes? [03:53] and gals === KB1JWQ is now known as Corey [07:03] http://wiki.creativecommons.org/San_Francisco_Salon 15th at HP [16:42] filing natty bug reports is good for karma health :) [16:44] * sn9 initially read that as "nasty bug reports" [17:40] http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.04/ lists beta 2 but the release hasn't been announced yet. [17:40] i think OMG announced it [17:40] It's coming very soon but it's best to wait until the announcement, to allow the mirrors to sync up and reduce the load from the Ubuntu servers. [17:41] 30+ Ubuntu Hour flyers went up yesterday... http://yfrog.com/h0obbewj [17:41] OMG announced it before it has been released, once again. All of their links are broken. [17:41] Ive had 4 people already email me confirming the location! :) [17:42] OMG announced the Humble Bundle before that was announced too (ggggrrrr) [17:43] it was a chore finding boards to staple these flyers around caltech. very pristine university there [17:43] some of them said NO STAPLES and had tacks available which i used [17:43] It's funny how sites announce things that haven't actually been released. I guess it's a good way to get page hits ... [17:43] some of the areas had glass with tape being used, so i stapled the flyer on the bottom of another flyer :) [17:44] Yeah, I guess you have to carry stapler, pins, tacks and tape if you want to cover all the bases. [17:44] Complicated. [17:45] cal tech had a student protest yesterday. the school wants to place "trained psychologists" into EVERY dorm so they can monitor students [17:45] students are PO [17:48] iheartubuntu: how does that make them feel? [17:49] lol [17:50] akk: tell me more about lol [17:50] Hmm, that's strange, why would there not be a 32-bit alternate install image for beta 2? Hopefully they're still staging. [17:50] nhaines: Why do you want to know more about lol? [17:50] akk: haha [17:53] ask Dr. Sbaitso [17:53] akk: Does it please you to believe I want to know more about lol? [17:53] jtatum: Does lol remind you of your father? [17:54] keep it up everyone and i will start blasting some Adam & the Ants and head to my room [17:55] akk: What else comes to mind when you think of your father? [17:57] does your father make you rofl? [17:57] how do you feel about your father making you rofl? [17:58] ever rofl without your father? [17:59] how do you feel about others who rofl? [18:00] do you ever ponder life without rofl? [18:01] do you ever have rofl for breakfast? [18:02] yes [18:04] * akk wants a cinnamon rofl now [18:09] lmao zedong [21:38] hello? dr. sbaitso? [22:13] very nice thank you erichammond [22:14] * erichammond nods [22:16] i never knew that it existed [22:18] hi jbermudes - hope to see you tonight? [22:21] iheartubuntu: I list http://LAtechCalendar.com and other LA resources on http://LAgeeks.org [22:24] nice simple site [22:28] iheartubuntu: I like making one page sites. http://Perl.LA [23:03] iheartubuntu: yup! :) [23:06] nyan cat [23:07] great! [23:07] so exciting! [23:08] ay everybody [23:08] aye matey [23:09] i matey [23:09] ravi shankar is going to be at caltech i think i saw... this friday? [23:11] kevin6888 http://us.artofliving.org/losangeles [23:12] actually not at caltech... somewhere in LA [23:12] who's that iheartubuntu ? [23:12] he is the sitar player that taught george harrison [23:13] or introduced them to sitar anyways [23:13] the beatles [23:14] wasnt that a band or something? [23:15] tehehe [23:16] ah, sitar, he's the dude on the link [23:16] i see [23:18] aye [23:19] ay, check out this stuff from tokyohackerspace.org: http://blog.rdtn.org/2011/04/14/a-little-of-what-weve-been-up-to/ [23:19] it's a "radiation detection hardware network" device [23:21] wait... :) its not the same guy [23:21] :p [23:22] the ravi shankar from the beatles era would be like 75-80 yrs old [23:23] never heard of either one [23:23] what do they teach? happiness? [23:23] someday, 60 years from now there will be some linux user in a webchat talking about a guy named mark shuttleworth... a different one. :| [23:23] mark shuttleworth jr. [23:24] "My vision is of a world that is crime-free, stress-free and violence-free." - Sri Sri Ravi Shankar [23:24] they even have grad programs [23:24] maybe you can hook up with them on doing a yoga/hacker thing [23:24] visions are easy [23:25] i have a vision of superman like flight [23:25] batman like resourcefulness [23:25] and aquaman like irrelevance [23:25] :P [23:26] i'm not sure how i would set that up? do you know them? [23:26] "I have a vision of superman like flight, batman like resourcefulness and aquaman like irrelevance." - Sri Sri Seidos [23:26] that quote is good. it should be on your facebook [23:27] i'll tweet it [23:27] my tweets go to facebook [23:27] i hope aquaman fans don't get ticked [23:27] oh wait, there are no aquaman fans :( [23:28] i prefer plasticman [23:29] i'm actually more of a marvel fan myself [23:29] but a marvel super hero that flies that is memorable escapes me [23:30] spidey? [23:30] kinda flies [23:30] you mean without help [23:30] ah, actually there was "cosmic spiderman" briefly [23:30] yeah [23:30] there's archangel [23:30] but his wings are kinda' obnoxious [23:30] jean grey flies [23:30] are you a TMNT fan of the original comic? [23:30] pretty cool [23:31] i never collected the og comic, but i did watch the cartoon [23:31] i have several keepers. like superman dies in the black plastic amongst others [23:31] superman makes a cameo on TMNT? [23:31] ohhhhh, the Doomsday thing [23:31] yeah, that is cool [23:31] i gave my comics to my nephews [23:32] Eastman & Laird i think was the name of the writers that put out the original TMNT... i have only one 1st printing... worth some bucks, but ive got a bunch 2nd printings not worth much [23:33] when i was a kid i thought comics were a way to make money [23:33] now, not so much [23:33] i downloaded some comics off of torrents [23:33] kind of cool [23:33] but they aren't formatted very well [23:33] to fit the screen [23:35] i was thinking of making some stencils, i wonder if it's possible to spray paint on cloth and how well that would stick [23:38] sounds like a $7 experiment to me :D [23:38] i estimated it at about 3x that [23:38] but i really value my threads [23:40] kev - it works great [23:40] i did it back in the day [23:41] the stencil really needs to be tacky on tacked to the cloth material though, otherwise you'll have bleed through/overspray [23:42] hey [23:42] so we're going to have some visitors from the FL team in town for Google I/O.. (my old team) [23:43] I'm going to be trying to get together with them somewhere in town, anyone else interested for the 10th or 11th? [23:43] to meet some of the FL peeps, that is. [23:43] jamalta: is that on the weekend? [23:43] jtatum: hey, you should come up if you can! [23:43] crashsystems: no, unfortunately :( [23:43] not sure how long they'll be in town [23:43] bah, I won't be able to make it then [23:43] but if you want to do a weekend thing to meetup that would be awesome too [23:43] i'll come to that at least [23:43] what, huh, what? :) [23:43] maybe we can get jtatum to come too [23:44] jtatum: hey, some people from the FL team are going to be in SF for google i/o [23:44] even better would be a meeting in san jose :D [23:44] we're thinking about doing a get together of some sort, maybe for dinner or something [23:44] crashsystems: i guess i could do that, does caltrain go to san jose? [23:44] i don't have a car anymore [23:44] 5/10-5/11? [23:44] yeah, it's a tuesday and wednesday [23:44] looks good on my calendar [23:45] i know it's annoying since it's in the middle of the week [23:45] I'm actually in sunnyvale, so for going to sf it makes the most sense to go to the mountian view stop [23:45] I think it goes to sj though [23:45] crashsystems: ah, if it's a friday or something i can just work from SV (probably) and ... [23:45] crashsystems: caltrain, not vta :) [23:45] well the annoying thing would be figuring out how to get back to SF lol [23:45] brb [23:46] yeah, there is a light rail and caltrain stop at the same place in mountian view [23:46] indeed… but there's a caltrain stop in sunnyvale too :) [23:47] my brother just moved to the worst part of san fran [23:47] I think I've been to that one actually, though it involved busses [23:47] been having fun making trips up there [23:48] what's the worst part of san francisco? [23:51] the tenderloin [23:51] what makes it bad [23:51] they put up a twitter: http://twitter.com/ofarrellwebcam [23:54] i dont think ive ever been through there actually [23:55] i wonder what the rents like... cant be too high... but it is still SF [23:56] * kdub wonders if SD or SF has higher rent [23:56] they are splitting a room. $1100. tiny [23:56] yikes [23:56] yeah, for that neighborhood… i think they're getting robbed actually [23:57] right now? [23:57] ohh the apt [23:57] jamalta or pleia2 can probably speak more to the rents in general [23:58] i like that area up by the giants stadium, embacardo, i think [23:59] for apartments