[00:24]  * iheartubuntu enters ggzgamingzone chess server via glChess
[02:44] <iheartubuntu> if there are any soccer fans here... LA Galaxy and David Beckham are playing now... http://www.justin.tv/dysreflex#/w/1079624032
[02:45] <kevin5574> i'm typing this from natty beta2
[02:46] <iheartubuntu> my laptop is 10.10
[02:46] <iheartubuntu> i cant handle unity
[02:46] <iheartubuntu> i went to ubuntu classic in natty
[02:47] <kevin5574> what's wrong with unity?
[02:47] <iheartubuntu> kevin see if your flash works... http://www.justin.tv/dysreflex#/w/1079624032
[02:47] <iheartubuntu> la galaxy game
[02:47] <kevin5574> i just have to learn how to invert colors
[02:48] <kevin5574> iheartubuntu: i'm using 64bit
[02:48] <kevin5574> and trying to install now
[02:48] <iheartubuntu> u have no flash?
[02:48] <kevin5574> hopefully there's enough room on liveusb, otherwise i may have to install to hdd
[02:51] <kevin5574> iheartubuntu: nope, i'll have to get another usbstick before i try to get that working
[02:51] <iheartubuntu> dang
[02:51] <kevin5574> oddly, there really isn't much flash content that i think would make natty a deal breaker
[02:57] <nhaines> kevin5574: hate to break it to you, but beta 2 doesn't exist yet.
[02:58] <iheartubuntu> he can dream right?
[02:58] <iheartubuntu> :)
[03:01] <kevin5574> nhaines: i guess not officially
[03:01] <kevin5574> supposedly it'll be out tomorrow
[03:10] <nhaines> The full CD set (desktop/install/server/alt install/netbook images) for all supported versions of Ubuntu, with latest point releases only of LTS releases comes to 59.5GB.
[03:13] <iheartubuntu> why so big?
[03:13] <iheartubuntu> ohh ok all supported versions
[03:14] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: from 4.10 to 10.10.
[03:14] <nhaines> and tomorrow I'll grab all the beta 2 images for 11.04.
[03:15] <kevin5574> hears where i got the beta2 iso:  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/5460
[03:16] <nhaines> There are no beta 2 images at that site.
[03:17] <kevin5574> why do you say this?
[03:17] <nhaines> we're probably looking at about 18 hours until Ubuntu 11.04 beta 2, and it'll be available at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing
[03:17] <nhaines> kevin5574: because the release manager hasn't announced a beta 2 release, and it doesn't exist until then.
[03:18] <kevin5574> nhaines: it says "we are currently tsting candidates for Natty Beta 2"
[03:18] <kevin5574> furthermore, this iso boot, the one @ releases.ubuntu.com did not
[03:19] <nhaines> kevin5574: "candidates" == "not beta 2", plus http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/ has beta 1 images and does not have anything to do with the qa site.
[03:19] <kevin5574> nhaines: it's a beta 2 candidate
[03:19]  * kevin5574 shrugs
[03:19] <nhaines> kevin5574: it's not beta 2.
[03:20] <iheartubuntu> its not beta 2, its beta fish
[03:20] <kevin5574> nhaines: i hear ya'
[03:20] <kevin5574> the iso @ releases.ubuntu.com wouldn't boot from liveusb on my system
[03:20] <kevin5574> not sure what changed
[03:20] <kevin5574> i was thinking i wouldn't be able to install natty
[03:25] <akk> Does the livecd back down to unity2d on systems that don't support 3d? That could be the problem.
[03:25] <akk> I know I've had trouble with earlier ubuntu livecds not booting because they assumed 3D/DRI and wouldn't work without it.
[03:25] <nhaines> akk:no, it doesn't, but it should fallback to Ubuntu Classic.
[03:25] <nhaines> oneiric will fallback to Unity2D.
[03:26] <akk> But it does try to detect if X didn't start or had a problem, and fall back automatically?
[03:26] <nhaines> Installing Ubuntu 11.04 and then installing Unity2D will cause "Ubuntu" to fallback to Unity2D, and "Ubuntu Classic" is still available.
[03:26] <akk> (historically ubuntu hasn't checked, it just assumed)
[03:27] <nhaines> akk: no, Unity is a Compiz plugin and X will run with or without 2D.  If X can't run it falls back to a recovery prompt.
[03:27] <kevin5574> when does unity start in the boot process?  before gdm?
[03:27] <nhaines> Unity is a GNOME Session, so it starts after you log in after gdm.
[03:27] <akk> I always got failure modes of total system hang -- X would try to start and hang the system.
[03:27] <kevin5574> yeah, it wasn't a unity problem then
[03:28] <nhaines> You can run '/usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p' to see whether Unity is supported or not.
[03:38] <kevin5574> akk: what video card?
[03:39] <akk> kevin5574: Most of the hard hangs I got were on an old laptop, S3 Savage video card.
[03:40] <kevin5574> akk: that is interesting, so you're problem sounds specific to the video card
[03:40] <akk> No 3d, and trying to enable it freezes the kernel, but Ubuntu didn't have any no-DRI option.
[03:40] <kevin5574> mine is probably with the quirky bios on this system
[03:40] <kevin5574> my notebook has 3d, but it is *very* far from spectacular
[03:44] <kevin5574> not that i'm ungrateful for it :/
[03:44] <akk> Yeah, my current one supposedly has it and I know the card can do it, but 3d apps mostly seem to be doing software GL, super jerky and slow.
[03:47] <kevin5574> basically, compiz stuff works fine
[03:48] <kevin5574> but like, 3d games run jerky
[03:48] <kevin5574> and i mean old real time strategy games, like total annihilation
[03:48] <kevin5574> what kind of video card do you have on your current one?
[03:49] <kevin5574> so, there is some hardware acceleration, just not as much as with the big 2
[03:50] <kevin5574> when i bought this notebook, i didn't buy it for games though
[03:50] <kevin5574> speaking of which, i should probably reboot, bbl
[03:53] <Algo> 'sup dudes?
[03:53] <Algo> and gals
[07:03] <MarkDude> http://wiki.creativecommons.org/San_Francisco_Salon 15th at HP
[16:42] <iheartubuntu> filing natty bug reports is good for karma health :)
[16:44]  * sn9 initially read that as "nasty bug reports"
[17:40] <nhaines> http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.04/ lists beta 2 but the release hasn't been announced yet.
[17:40] <iheartubuntu> i think OMG announced it
[17:40] <nhaines> It's coming very soon but it's best to wait until the announcement, to allow the mirrors to sync up and reduce the load from the Ubuntu servers.
[17:41] <iheartubuntu> 30+ Ubuntu Hour flyers went up yesterday... http://yfrog.com/h0obbewj
[17:41] <nhaines> OMG announced it before it has been released, once again.  All of their links are broken.
[17:41] <iheartubuntu> Ive had 4 people already email me confirming the location! :)
[17:42] <iheartubuntu> OMG announced the Humble Bundle before that was announced too (ggggrrrr)
[17:43] <iheartubuntu> it was a chore finding boards to staple these flyers around caltech. very pristine university there
[17:43] <iheartubuntu> some of them said NO STAPLES and had tacks available which i used
[17:43] <akk> It's funny how sites announce things that haven't actually been released. I guess it's a good way to get page hits ...
[17:43] <iheartubuntu> some of the areas had glass with tape being used, so i stapled the flyer on the bottom of another flyer :)
[17:44] <akk> Yeah, I guess you have to carry stapler, pins, tacks and tape if you want to cover all the bases.
[17:44] <akk> Complicated.
[17:45] <iheartubuntu> cal tech had a student protest yesterday. the school wants to place "trained psychologists" into EVERY dorm so they can monitor students
[17:45] <iheartubuntu> students are PO
[17:48] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: how does that make them feel?
[17:49] <akk> lol
[17:50] <nhaines> akk: tell me more about lol
[17:50] <nhaines> Hmm, that's strange, why would there not be a 32-bit alternate install image for beta 2?  Hopefully they're still staging.
[17:50] <akk> nhaines: Why do you want to know more about lol?
[17:50] <nhaines> akk: haha
[17:53] <iheartubuntu> ask Dr. Sbaitso
[17:53] <jtatum> akk: Does it please you to believe I want to know more about lol?
[17:53] <akk> jtatum: Does lol remind you of your father?
[17:54] <iheartubuntu> keep it up everyone and i will start blasting some Adam & the Ants and head to my room
[17:55] <jtatum> akk: What else comes to mind when you think of your father?
[17:57] <sn9> does your father make you rofl?
[17:57] <sn9> how do you feel about your father making you rofl?
[17:58] <sn9> ever rofl without your father?
[17:59] <sn9> how do you feel about others who rofl?
[18:00] <sn9> do you ever ponder life without rofl?
[18:01] <sn9> do you ever have rofl for breakfast?
[18:02] <iheartubuntu> yes
[18:04]  * akk wants a cinnamon rofl now
[18:09] <sn9> lmao zedong
[21:38] <iheartubuntu> hello? dr. sbaitso?
[22:13] <iheartubuntu> very nice thank you erichammond
[22:14]  * erichammond nods
[22:16] <iheartubuntu> i never knew that it existed
[22:18] <iheartubuntu> hi jbermudes - hope to see you tonight?
[22:21] <erichammond> iheartubuntu: I list http://LAtechCalendar.com and other LA resources on http://LAgeeks.org
[22:24] <iheartubuntu> nice simple site
[22:28] <erichammond> iheartubuntu: I like making one page sites.  http://Perl.LA
[23:03] <jbermudes> iheartubuntu: yup! :)
[23:06] <kdub> nyan cat
[23:07] <iheartubuntu> great!
[23:07] <iheartubuntu> so exciting!
[23:08] <kevin6888> ay everybody
[23:08] <iheartubuntu> aye matey
[23:09] <kevin6888> i matey
[23:09] <iheartubuntu> ravi shankar is going to be at caltech i think i saw... this friday?
[23:11] <iheartubuntu> kevin6888 http://us.artofliving.org/losangeles
[23:12] <iheartubuntu> actually not at caltech... somewhere in LA
[23:12] <kevin6888> who's that iheartubuntu ?
[23:12] <iheartubuntu> he is the sitar player that taught george harrison
[23:13] <iheartubuntu> or introduced them to sitar anyways
[23:13] <iheartubuntu> the beatles
[23:14] <kdub> wasnt that a band or something?
[23:15] <kdub> tehehe
[23:16] <kevin6888> ah, sitar, he's the dude on the link
[23:16] <kevin6888> i see
[23:18] <iheartubuntu> aye
[23:19] <kevin6888> ay, check out this stuff from tokyohackerspace.org:  http://blog.rdtn.org/2011/04/14/a-little-of-what-weve-been-up-to/
[23:19] <kevin6888> it's a "radiation detection hardware network" device
[23:21] <iheartubuntu> wait... :) its not the same guy
[23:21] <iheartubuntu> :p
[23:22] <iheartubuntu> the ravi shankar from the beatles era would be like 75-80 yrs old
[23:23] <kevin6888> never heard of either one
[23:23] <kevin6888> what do they teach?  happiness?
[23:23] <iheartubuntu> someday, 60 years from now there will be some linux user in a webchat talking about a guy named mark shuttleworth... a different one. :|
[23:23] <kevin6888> mark shuttleworth jr.
[23:24] <iheartubuntu> "My vision is of a world that is crime-free, stress-free and violence-free." - Sri Sri Ravi Shankar
[23:24] <iheartubuntu> they even have grad programs
[23:24] <iheartubuntu> maybe you can hook up with them on doing a yoga/hacker thing
[23:24] <kevin6888> visions are easy
[23:25] <kevin6888> i have a vision of superman like flight
[23:25] <kevin6888> batman like resourcefulness
[23:25] <kevin6888> and aquaman like irrelevance
[23:25] <kevin6888> :P
[23:26] <kevin6888> i'm not sure how i  would set that up?  do you know them?
[23:26] <iheartubuntu> "I have a vision of superman like flight, batman like resourcefulness and aquaman like irrelevance." - Sri Sri Seidos
[23:26] <iheartubuntu> that quote is good. it should be on your facebook
[23:27] <kevin6888> i'll tweet it
[23:27] <kevin6888> my tweets go to facebook
[23:27] <kevin6888> i hope aquaman fans don't get ticked
[23:27] <kevin6888> oh wait, there are no aquaman fans :(
[23:28] <iheartubuntu> i prefer plasticman
[23:29] <kevin6888> i'm actually more of a marvel fan myself
[23:29] <kevin6888> but a marvel super hero that flies that is memorable escapes me
[23:30] <iheartubuntu> spidey?
[23:30] <iheartubuntu> kinda flies
[23:30] <iheartubuntu> you mean without help
[23:30] <kevin6888> ah, actually there was "cosmic spiderman" briefly
[23:30] <kevin6888> yeah
[23:30] <kevin6888> there's archangel
[23:30] <kevin6888> but his wings are kinda' obnoxious
[23:30] <kevin6888> jean grey flies
[23:30] <iheartubuntu> are you a TMNT fan of the original comic?
[23:30] <kevin6888> pretty cool
[23:31] <kevin6888> i never collected the og comic, but i did watch the cartoon
[23:31] <iheartubuntu> i have several keepers. like superman dies in the black plastic amongst others
[23:31] <kevin6888> superman makes a cameo on TMNT?
[23:31] <kevin6888> ohhhhh, the Doomsday thing
[23:31] <kevin6888> yeah, that is cool
[23:31] <kevin6888> i gave my comics to my nephews
[23:32] <iheartubuntu> Eastman & Laird i think was the name of the writers that put out the original TMNT... i have only one 1st printing... worth some bucks, but ive got a bunch 2nd printings not worth much
[23:33] <kevin6888> when i was a kid i thought comics were a way to make money
[23:33] <kevin6888> now, not so much
[23:33] <kevin6888> i downloaded some comics off of torrents
[23:33] <kevin6888> kind of cool
[23:33] <kevin6888> but they aren't formatted very well
[23:33] <kevin6888> to fit the screen
[23:35] <kevin6888> i was thinking of making some stencils, i wonder if it's possible to spray paint on cloth and how well that would stick
[23:38] <kdub> sounds like a $7 experiment to me :D
[23:38] <kevin6888> i estimated it at about 3x that
[23:38] <kevin6888> but i really value my threads
[23:40] <iheartubuntu> kev - it works great
[23:40] <iheartubuntu> i did it back in the day
[23:41] <iheartubuntu> the stencil really needs to be tacky on tacked to the cloth material though, otherwise you'll have bleed through/overspray
[23:42] <jamalta> hey
[23:42] <jamalta> so we're going to have some visitors from the FL team in town for Google I/O.. (my old team)
[23:43] <jamalta> I'm going to be trying to get together with them somewhere in town, anyone else interested for the 10th or 11th?
[23:43] <jamalta> to meet some of the FL peeps, that is.
[23:43] <crashsystems> jamalta: is that on the weekend?
[23:43] <jamalta> jtatum: hey, you should come up if you can!
[23:43] <jamalta> crashsystems: no, unfortunately :(
[23:43] <jamalta> not sure how long they'll be in town
[23:43] <crashsystems> bah, I won't be able to make it then
[23:43] <jamalta> but if you want to do a weekend thing to meetup that would be awesome too
[23:43] <jamalta> i'll come to that at least
[23:43] <jtatum> what, huh, what? :)
[23:43] <jamalta> maybe we can get jtatum to come too
[23:44] <jamalta> jtatum: hey, some people from the FL team are going to be in SF for google i/o
[23:44] <crashsystems> even better would be a meeting in san jose :D
[23:44] <jamalta> we're thinking about doing a get together of some sort, maybe for dinner or something
[23:44] <jamalta> crashsystems: i guess i could do that, does caltrain go to san jose?
[23:44] <jamalta> i don't have a car anymore
[23:44] <jtatum> 5/10-5/11?
[23:44] <jamalta> yeah, it's a tuesday and wednesday
[23:44] <jtatum> looks good on my calendar
[23:45] <jamalta> i know it's annoying since it's in the middle of the week
[23:45] <crashsystems> I'm actually in sunnyvale, so for going to sf it makes the most sense to go to the mountian view stop
[23:45] <crashsystems> I think it goes to sj though
[23:45] <jamalta> crashsystems: ah, if it's a friday or something i can just work from SV (probably) and ...
[23:45] <jtatum> crashsystems: caltrain, not vta :)
[23:45] <jamalta> well the annoying thing would be figuring out how to get back to SF lol
[23:45] <jamalta> brb
[23:46] <crashsystems> yeah, there is a light rail and caltrain stop at the same place in mountian view
[23:46] <jtatum> indeed… but there's a caltrain stop in sunnyvale too :)
[23:47] <jtatum> my brother just moved to the worst part of san fran
[23:47] <crashsystems> I think I've been to that one actually, though it involved busses
[23:47] <jtatum> been having fun making trips up there
[23:48] <kdub> what's the worst part of san francisco?
[23:51] <jtatum> the tenderloin
[23:51] <iheartubuntu> what makes it bad
[23:51] <jtatum> they put up a twitter: http://twitter.com/ofarrellwebcam
[23:54] <iheartubuntu> i dont think ive ever been through there actually
[23:55] <iheartubuntu> i wonder what the rents like... cant be too high... but it is still SF
[23:56]  * kdub wonders if SD or SF has higher rent
[23:56] <jtatum> they are splitting a room. $1100. tiny
[23:56] <iheartubuntu> yikes
[23:56] <jtatum> yeah, for that neighborhood… i think they're getting robbed actually
[23:57] <iheartubuntu> right now?
[23:57] <iheartubuntu> ohh the apt
[23:57] <jtatum> jamalta or pleia2 can probably speak more to the rents in general
[23:58] <kdub> i like that area up by the giants stadium, embacardo, i think
[23:59] <kdub> for apartments