| snap-l | What the fuck Ponzi bullshit is occurring behind us? | 01:06 |
|---|---|---|
| widox | snap-l: join in now to make huge a return!! | 01:07 |
| snap-l | We're selling services | 01:07 |
| snap-l | It is talking every fiber of my being not to turn around and say that this is a huge load of horseshit | 01:09 |
| snap-l | Bwahahahaha | 01:11 |
| rick_h_ | they were talking about verizon microcell type boxes/etc earlier | 01:11 |
| snap-l | Gee, either they're like Amway, or they're just talking shit | 01:13 |
| snap-l | Perhaps I repeat myself | 01:13 |
| snap-l | here's the hard sell | 01:14 |
| snap-l | I hope they sell shovels, because this is hip deep | 01:14 |
| snap-l | my BS detector is screaming | 01:15 |
| rick_h_ | Blazeix: https://launchpad.net/~rharding/+archive/ppa | 01:18 |
| snap-l | Dear God... | 01:38 |
| greg-g | I'm missing some fun times at CHC, eh? | 01:40 |
| Blazeix | I'm generally really good at blocking people out while working. But not with these guys. | 01:41 |
| rick_h_ | yea, we're surrounded | 01:41 |
| rick_h_ | 'STFU' and "ooh, VOIP FTW!" | 01:41 |
| snap-l | Someone is selling some bullshit VOIP shit | 01:43 |
| jjesse | when does beta 2 come out? | 01:50 |
| rick_h_ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule | 01:51 |
| jjesse | tomorrow | 01:53 |
| snap-l | I'm going to blow up from all of the bullshit flying around. | 02:04 |
| Blazeix | 25.6 trillion in revenue? That's pretty impressive | 02:04 |
| widox | A TRILLION DOLLARS! | 02:04 |
| snap-l | I think they'd make more money selling each other shit on Amazon using each other's referral codes. | 02:05 |
| rick_h_ | devinheitmueller: http://vimeo.com/19465332 | 02:51 |
| rick_h_ | http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=node.js+v8+debugger | 02:52 |
| rick_h_ | wow, 4yrs later: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/174449 | 12:48 |
| rick_h_ | ok, well 3.5 | 12:48 |
| snap-l | apt-cache searches the *cache*, not some remote online database | 14:02 |
| snap-l | Seriously? That took 3.5 years? | 14:02 |
| ColonelPanic001 | >_> | 14:03 |
| rick_h_ | :) | 14:06 |
| greg-g | g'morn | 14:16 |
| snap-l | I'm a litle bit pissed | 14:16 |
| snap-l | I just got told that our web services gateway needs \r\n, not just \n | 14:17 |
| snap-l | in an expression that gets sent to it | 14:17 |
| snap-l | and that I should really use wireshark to test this out beforehand | 14:17 |
| snap-l | Considering a) I'm on a unix machine, and \n is damn fine enough without adding the carriage return, and b) it's https, so wireshark is pretty much useless, that recommendation was tried | 14:18 |
| rick_h_ | heh | 14:19 |
| Milyardo | wireshark? for what? | 14:23 |
| snap-l | So, now to tell this group that requiring \r\n is anachronistic | 14:23 |
| snap-l | Milyardo: To debug the soap request we were sending | 14:23 |
| snap-l | Apparently they're correct. It's in the RFC and everything | 14:49 |
| snap-l | so essentially the W3C is anachronistic. | 14:50 |
| _stink_ | huh - when i was sending soap to a horrible windows stack server, it handled \n just fine. | 14:50 |
| _stink_ | and this product was/is horrible. | 14:50 |
| snap-l | between the request bondaries? | 14:50 |
| _stink_ | i never built a \r\n anywhere. | 14:51 |
| _stink_ | by request boundaries, do you mean something like many requests in one TCP connection or something? | 14:51 |
| snap-l | considering I downloaded this from another source, I tend to agree. | 14:51 |
| snap-l | Yeah, attachments | 14:51 |
| _stink_ | ah, ok. i may have never done that in particular. | 14:52 |
| snap-l | That's OK, it doesn't seem to work anyway. | 14:53 |
| greg-g | snap-l: dang RFC's laying down the law | 15:16 |
| greg-g | (they're the closest thing we have to laws on the web) | 15:16 |
| snap-l | Well, what I loved was how snotty this person was about it | 15:18 |
| snap-l | and in the end, it still doesn't work | 15:18 |
| rick_h_ | well if you were hoping the tech team shoots down unity, not likely: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2011/04/unity-environment-in-good-shape-on-track-for-ubuntu-1104.ars | 15:18 |
| snap-l | asked him if he actually ran the code | 15:18 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 15:18 |
| rick_h_ | but of course not, why would you go through all that trouble | 15:19 |
| snap-l | He came off as a real dick of "if you haven't done something so simple, I can't be bothered to help you" | 15:19 |
| greg-g | grr | 15:25 |
| brousch | GRR? coming here for a visit? | 15:26 |
| greg-g | :) | 15:27 |
| jrwren | i hate macs. | 15:48 |
| jrwren | they mouse accel is all fucked and the home and end keys do the wrong thing. this old dog will be windows and linux 4 ever. | 15:49 |
| rick_h_ | + .5 | 15:49 |
| _stink_ | haha | 15:49 |
| jrwren | if 11.10 goes further with teh mac direction and changes the mouse adn home/end, I'm changing distro :) | 15:49 |
| jrwren | and that is the start of my troll bait for today. | 15:49 |
| rick_h_ | lol, take my window manager, but leave my home/end keys | 15:49 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l sounds too busy to fight back today | 15:49 |
| rick_h_ | but his angst levels might be elevated, could be a good time if he arrives | 15:50 |
| brousch | jrwren: you have home and end keys? | 15:51 |
| brousch | and a mouse? | 15:51 |
| snap-l | Acutally, I agree that home / end on a mac are kind of screwed up | 15:51 |
| snap-l | was one thing that really didn't make sense. | 15:52 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: So, neener neener. ;) | 15:52 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 15:52 |
| rick_h_ | booooo, that wasn't entertaining | 15:52 |
| jrwren | at least the ide I'm in does emacs ctrl-a, ctrl-e, but after 6yrs of home and end, i'm having a rough time adjusting | 15:52 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: shall i attempt to make snap-l's angst levels rise further? | 15:53 |
| snap-l | The mac mouse profiles are different than Windows | 15:53 |
| rick_h_ | I'm trying to train myself away from home/end | 15:53 |
| rick_h_ | it's too far away | 15:54 |
| snap-l | I think they're smoother, not necessarily better. | 15:54 |
| snap-l | I got away from ctrl-a for home on the command-line because of screen. :) | 15:54 |
| snap-l | but ctrl-e is a godsend | 15:54 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: 6-10 yrs ago I was home/end free... i was all emacs & vim and could easily switch between those two env. | 15:54 |
| jrwren | but i lost that skill :( | 15:54 |
| jrwren | snap-l: you don't ctrl-a a | 15:55 |
| jrwren | i type ctrl-a a more than ctrl-a for BOL and so I often get ^A when i'm outside of screen :) | 15:55 |
| snap-l | heh | 15:55 |
| === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse | ||
| rick_h_ | I don't use screen as much as I should | 15:56 |
| rick_h_ | so I've not started to work around it's shortcuts | 15:56 |
| snap-l | I think Byobu's shortcuts are better. They use the Fn keys. | 15:56 |
| snap-l | so Fn2 is new screen | 15:57 |
| snap-l | But Ctrl-A still works, though | 15:57 |
| rick_h_ | bah, it messes me up for some reason. Something fails for me, tring to recall what | 15:57 |
| _stink_ | just remap screen's prefix to `. | 15:57 |
| snap-l | Leave it to GNU utilities to screw up keybindings between programs in the termial | 15:58 |
| rick_h_ | I keep trying byobu but end up back to screen | 15:58 |
| greg-g | ok, I just tested ctrl+a and ctrl+e in vim, and uh, that was amazing. ctrl-a added 1 to any number I was on and ctrl-e copied whatever was below/above to the line I was one | 16:02 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Yes, repeat after me: vi is not emacs. ;) | 16:02 |
| jrwren | i hate byobu shortcuts. | 16:02 |
| jrwren | i use byobu for the nice bottom bar, but I still use they screen keyboard | 16:02 |
| jrwren | i want to figure out how to turn off the byobu Fn keys. | 16:02 |
| greg-g | snap-l: oh, it was emacs they were talking about | 16:02 |
| * greg-g hangs head | 16:02 | |
| snap-l | Well, bash command line in emacs mode | 16:03 |
| snap-l | which is more sensical than the vim shortcut mode | 16:03 |
| snap-l | and this is from a hardcore vim user. | 16:03 |
| jrwren | greg-g: bash starts in emacs mode by default on most distro. type a line in bash adn try ctrl-a ctrle there. | 16:03 |
| rick_h_ | psh, zsh + vim mode == heaven | 16:03 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Yes yes, we know. | 16:03 |
| jrwren | snap-l: agreed, although I have played with the bash vim mode and decided that it would be very sweet if I were a sysadmin | 16:03 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Agreed | 16:04 |
| rick_h_ | did I mention zsh > bash? | 16:04 |
| rick_h_ | :) | 16:04 |
| jrwren | i didn't discover bash vim mode until after I left sysadmin world :( | 16:04 |
| jrwren | zsh is BARELY > bash | 16:04 |
| rick_h_ | hahahahahahahahahahaha | 16:04 |
| jrwren | and given bash is more ubiquotous, i'll stick with being able to run my scripts more places. | 16:04 |
| rick_h_ | bash feels like logging into cmd.exe | 16:04 |
| jrwren | note: I stole that argument from jam for perl > python :) | 16:04 |
| rick_h_ | who said anything about scripts | 16:04 |
| rick_h_ | I mean in just usage | 16:04 |
| jrwren | i spike scripts at the cmd line all the time. | 16:05 |
| rick_h_ | zsh, type less:do more (I should start an ad campaign) | 16:05 |
| jrwren | then ctrl-a echo ' and ctrl-e ' > startofnewscript | 16:05 |
| jrwren | type less? well, I do like ot type less. | 16:05 |
| rick_h_ | 0 == shorter than ctrl-a | 16:05 |
| rick_h_ | $ = shorter than ctrl-e | 16:05 |
| jrwren | meh, esc 0, you ahve to get into mode. | 16:05 |
| jrwren | so its 2 keys to 2 keys. | 16:06 |
| rick_h_ | it accepts the same alias I use in vim, jj, it supports D, dw, d4w, etc | 16:06 |
| jrwren | or 4 keys to 3 keys | 16:06 |
| jrwren | yes yes, bash vim mode does all that too | 16:06 |
| snap-l | And now we have our morning flamewar. :) | 16:06 |
| rick_h_ | nope, bash does not allow you to map a custom esc | 16:06 |
| rick_h_ | there we go! flame on! | 16:06 |
| jrwren | you mean change meta? | 16:06 |
| jrwren | sure it does. | 16:06 |
| rick_h_ | https://github.com/mitechie/zshrc for the nice lovely list | 16:07 |
| rick_h_ | no, I mean allow me to say "map jj to esc when in insert mode" | 16:07 |
| jrwren | because its not actually ESC, its meta... and in bash it comes from readline, so just set meta to what you want in .readlinerc. | 16:07 |
| rick_h_ | bindkey "jj" vi-cmd-mode | 16:07 |
| jrwren | what do you use for your meta? | 16:07 |
| jrwren | jj? | 16:07 |
| jrwren | wtf is jj? | 16:08 |
| rick_h_ | meta lol | 16:08 |
| rick_h_ | it's an easier to hit home row combo to change modes | 16:08 |
| jrwren | like literally typing hte j key twice? | 16:08 |
| rick_h_ | yes, in rapid succession | 16:08 |
| jrwren | how rapid? I htink I might hate that. | 16:08 |
| jrwren | "double click the j key" | 16:08 |
| jrwren | rol | 16:08 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 16:08 |
| rick_h_ | much nicer than the esc key, or ctrl-] and such | 16:09 |
| rick_h_ | so shell matches vim == win | 16:09 |
| rick_h_ | without doing any meta/etc remapping | 16:09 |
| jrwren | indeed that is sweet. | 16:10 |
| jrwren | you use teh same thing to toggle modes in vim? | 16:10 |
| rick_h_ | right | 16:10 |
| rick_h_ | " Maps for jj to act as Esc | 16:10 |
| rick_h_ | ino jj <esc> | 16:10 |
| rick_h_ | cno jj <c-c> | 16:10 |
| _stink_ | aren't there some Icelandic words with adjacent 'j's? | 16:11 |
| _stink_ | what if you needed to type them? | 16:11 |
| rick_h_ | yep, thankfully I don't care since I'm american and hate the rest of the world with a fiery passion | 16:11 |
| rick_h_ | I do sometimes need j's and you have to slow down | 16:12 |
| rick_h_ | it has a timeout where if you don't hit a second key, it just types a j | 16:12 |
| rick_h_ | the rest of the time I can switch modes much faster from home row so it's a worthwile tradeoff | 16:12 |
| Blazeix | I hear the Hajj is nice this time of year. | 16:15 |
| _stink_ | Blazeix++ | 16:16 |
| rick_h_ | lol, how long did that take to pull up? | 16:16 |
| snap-l | http://www.digibarn.com/collections/screenshots/xerox-star-8010/index.html | 16:17 |
| rick_h_ | loading...loading...loading... | 16:18 |
| _stink_ | yeah, dns times out here | 16:18 |
| snap-l | I think it's getting slashdotted | 16:18 |
| rick_h_ | cache comes up sans images | 16:18 |
| brousch | came up very quickly for me just now | 16:19 |
| brousch | hm, all of the links are purple like i'd already visited them | 16:20 |
| brousch | wow, they had email and non-English letters back then | 16:23 |
| snap-l | Yeah, pretty radical. | 16:23 |
| snap-l | Grr, I hate it when I'm wrong | 16:39 |
| rick_h_ | ruh roh | 16:39 |
| snap-l | Yeah, apparently \r\n is needed | 16:40 |
| snap-l | and the XML I was sending was messed up | 16:40 |
| snap-l | It's positional, not a list like I thought it was. | 16:40 |
| snap-l | blargh | 16:40 |
| snap-l | On the plus side, I have something working. :) | 16:41 |
| jrwren | \r\n ? | 17:16 |
| jrwren | on linux? :( | 17:16 |
| tjagoda | Somebody didn't get the memo | 17:16 |
| rick_h_ | http://www.rabbitmq.com/resources/RabbitMQ_Oxford_Geek_Night.pdf | 17:18 |
| wolfger | what memo? | 17:21 |
| * wolfger didn't get a memo :-( | 17:21 | |
| TeamXlink | Is running a 300 wat recommended graphics card on a 250wat psu a bad idea? | 17:23 |
| tjagoda | Yes | 17:28 |
| tjagoda | The card will perform incorrect math when under-voltage | 17:28 |
| tjagoda | Strange glitches and etc. | 17:28 |
| TeamXlink | Alright, sweet thank you! | 17:28 |
| tjagoda | np | 17:28 |
| wolfger | uh... | 17:35 |
| wolfger | wouldn't that actually be under-current? | 17:35 |
| wolfger | <-- nit-picky | 17:35 |
| Milyardo | wolfger: V=IR, decreasing voltage decreases current since R is constant | 18:11 |
| wolfger | Milyardo: P=IE. If a 250W power supply provides 5VDC (or 24VDC, or whatever), the full load amps is constant. If a device requires 350W, it's not asking for higher than normal volts, therefore it must be asking for higher than available amps | 18:24 |
| wolfger | there is such a thing as a current supply, where the current is constant and the voltage varies, but I've never seen such a thing in a computer. Pinout specify the constant voltage supplied, amps is variable depending on the draw. | 18:25 |
| ColonelPanic001 | for a second I thought I accidently was looking in #hamradio | 18:40 |
| _stink_ | hah | 18:42 |
| snap-l | http://www.baekdal.com/media/facebook-deemphasizing-twitter-and-brands | 18:53 |
| snap-l | Bah | 18:53 |
| snap-l | http://www.baekdal.com/media/facebook-deemphasizing-twitter-and-brands/32F41CE1F5434A37949409815D8978F9AE71601BBCC80153B99E26BDACFD7218 | 18:54 |
| snap-l | Need the hash in order to not get pestered to subscribe | 18:54 |
| brousch | a multi-network client like hootsuite gets around that problem | 18:55 |
| snap-l | Frankly, it's yet another example of how Facebook changes the terms of what they'll allow on their site | 18:56 |
| snap-l | Don't worry, it will get worse. | 18:56 |
| brousch | i hate facebook | 18:58 |
| snap-l | I do too. I deleted my account a while ago | 18:59 |
| snap-l | But, Facebook is moving more and more toward social activity over social presence. It is not enough just to follow somebody. You also have to hug them. | 18:59 |
| brousch | jrwren: can i send zuckerberg a flaming bag of turds? i know you have opinions about who does and doesn't deserve one | 18:59 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: http://www.androidcentral.com/top-htc-thunderbolt-accessories for the wife | 19:00 |
| snap-l | Figures that the second purchase is an expanded battery | 19:00 |
| snap-l | THis sucker LOVES the battery | 19:01 |
| rick_h_ | yea, I've had the extended battery for a while now and love the difference it makes | 19:03 |
| rick_h_ | though a year in it's starting to wear down a bit | 19:03 |
| brousch | ah damnitall. we hired a guy to help set up 3d modelling. he is now asking me how to sum a column in excel | 19:55 |
| jjesse | maybe you shouldn't have hired the guy who showed up w/ the book "3d modeling for dummies" | 19:56 |
| tjagoda | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_J6GPB38gQ&feature=related | 19:57 |
| brousch | jjesse: boss's brother | 19:58 |
| jjesse | awesome | 19:58 |
| greg-g | snap-l: digging the industrial OMC episode (yes, i'm behind in actually listening to them) | 21:03 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Cool! Glad you're enjoying it! | 21:28 |
| greg-g | my boss walks in, asks whether I wear the headphones to listen to music or to make people think I listen to much. I say "both." She then asks what I'm listening to. I should have plugged OMC, but, I don't think she would have understood the term "industrial" :) | 21:55 |
| _stink_ | so what did you say? | 21:57 |
| snap-l | heh | 21:58 |
| brousch | bethoven | 21:58 |
| snap-l | One of my bosses got a taste of Frederik Thorndendal's Special Defects | 22:00 |
| snap-l | She said it was acid music | 22:00 |
| greg-g | "internet radio" | 22:04 |
| snap-l | Bah, that's overbroad | 22:05 |
| _stink_ | cop out | 22:05 |
| _stink_ | "sounds" :P | 22:05 |
| snap-l | Waveforms that are pleasing to my earholes | 22:05 |
| _stink_ | hah | 22:05 |
| snap-l | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5FxKow-LJM <- You need to take the opportunity to expand their mind | 22:06 |
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