[01:06] <snap-l> What the fuck Ponzi bullshit is occurring behind us?
[01:07] <widox> snap-l: join in now to make huge a return!!
[01:07] <snap-l> We're selling services
[01:09] <snap-l> It is talking every fiber of my being not to turn around and say that this is a huge load of horseshit
[01:11] <snap-l> Bwahahahaha
[01:11] <rick_h_> they were talking about verizon microcell type boxes/etc earlier
[01:13] <snap-l> Gee, either they're like Amway, or they're just talking shit
[01:13] <snap-l> Perhaps I repeat myself
[01:14] <snap-l> here's the hard sell
[01:14] <snap-l> I hope they sell shovels, because this is hip deep
[01:15] <snap-l> my BS detector is screaming
[01:18] <rick_h_> Blazeix: https://launchpad.net/~rharding/+archive/ppa
[01:38] <snap-l> Dear God...
[01:40] <greg-g> I'm missing some fun times at CHC, eh?
[01:41] <Blazeix> I'm generally really good at blocking people out while working. But not with these guys.
[01:41] <rick_h_> yea, we're surrounded
[01:41] <rick_h_> 'STFU' and "ooh, VOIP FTW!"
[01:43] <snap-l> Someone is selling some bullshit VOIP shit
[01:50] <jjesse> when does beta 2 come out?
[01:51] <rick_h_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[01:53] <jjesse> tomorrow
[02:04] <snap-l> I'm going to blow up from all of the bullshit flying around.
[02:04] <Blazeix> 25.6 trillion in revenue? That's pretty impressive
[02:04] <widox> A TRILLION DOLLARS!
[02:05] <snap-l> I think they'd make more money selling each other shit on Amazon using each other's referral codes.
[02:51] <rick_h_> devinheitmueller: http://vimeo.com/19465332
[02:52] <rick_h_> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=node.js+v8+debugger
[12:48] <rick_h_> wow, 4yrs later: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/174449
[12:48] <rick_h_> ok, well 3.5
[14:02] <snap-l> apt-cache searches the *cache*, not some remote online database
[14:02] <snap-l> Seriously? That took 3.5 years?
[14:03] <ColonelPanic001> >_>
[14:06] <rick_h_> :)
[14:16] <greg-g> g'morn
[14:16] <snap-l> I'm a litle bit pissed
[14:17] <snap-l> I just got told that our web services gateway needs \r\n, not just \n
[14:17] <snap-l> in an expression that gets sent to it
[14:17] <snap-l> and that I should really use wireshark to test this out beforehand
[14:18] <snap-l> Considering a) I'm on a unix machine, and \n is damn fine enough without adding the carriage return, and b) it's https, so wireshark is pretty much useless, that recommendation was tried
[14:19] <rick_h_> heh
[14:23] <Milyardo> wireshark? for what?
[14:23] <snap-l> So, now to tell this group that requiring \r\n is anachronistic
[14:23] <snap-l> Milyardo: To debug the soap request we were sending
[14:49] <snap-l> Apparently they're correct. It's in the RFC and everything
[14:50] <snap-l> so essentially the W3C is anachronistic.
[14:50] <_stink_> huh - when i was sending soap to a horrible windows stack server, it handled \n just fine.
[14:50] <_stink_> and this product was/is horrible.
[14:50] <snap-l> between the request bondaries?
[14:51] <_stink_> i never built a \r\n anywhere.
[14:51] <_stink_> by request boundaries, do you mean something like many requests in one TCP connection or something?
[14:51] <snap-l> considering I downloaded this from another source, I tend to agree.
[14:51] <snap-l> Yeah, attachments
[14:52] <_stink_> ah, ok.  i may have never done that in particular.
[14:53] <snap-l> That's OK, it doesn't seem to work anyway.
[15:16] <greg-g> snap-l: dang RFC's laying down the law
[15:16] <greg-g> (they're the closest thing we have to laws on the web)
[15:18] <snap-l> Well, what I loved was how snotty this person was about it
[15:18] <snap-l> and in the end, it still doesn't work
[15:18] <rick_h_>  well if you were hoping the tech team shoots down unity, not likely: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2011/04/unity-environment-in-good-shape-on-track-for-ubuntu-1104.ars
[15:18] <snap-l> asked him if he actually ran the code
[15:18] <rick_h_> lol
[15:19] <rick_h_> but of course not, why would you go through all that trouble
[15:19] <snap-l> He came off as a real dick of "if you haven't done something so simple, I can't be bothered to help you"
[15:25] <greg-g> grr
[15:26] <brousch> GRR? coming here for a visit?
[15:27] <greg-g> :)
[15:48] <jrwren> i hate macs.
[15:49] <jrwren> they mouse accel is all fucked and the home and end keys do the wrong thing. this old dog will be windows and linux 4 ever.
[15:49] <rick_h_> + .5
[15:49] <_stink_> haha
[15:49] <jrwren> if 11.10 goes further with teh mac direction and changes the mouse adn home/end, I'm changing distro :)
[15:49] <jrwren> and that is the start of my troll bait for today.
[15:49] <rick_h_> lol, take my window manager, but leave my home/end keys
[15:49] <rick_h_> snap-l sounds too busy to fight back today
[15:50] <rick_h_> but his angst levels might be elevated, could be a good time if he arrives
[15:51] <brousch> jrwren: you have home and end keys?
[15:51] <brousch> and a mouse?
[15:51] <snap-l> Acutally, I agree that home / end on a mac are kind of screwed up
[15:52] <snap-l> was one thing that really didn't make sense.
[15:52] <snap-l> rick_h_: So, neener neener. ;)
[15:52] <rick_h_> lol
[15:52] <rick_h_> booooo, that wasn't entertaining
[15:52] <jrwren> at least the ide I'm in does emacs ctrl-a, ctrl-e, but after 6yrs of home and end, i'm having a rough time adjusting
[15:53] <jrwren> rick_h_: shall i attempt to make snap-l's angst levels rise further?
[15:53] <snap-l> The mac mouse profiles are different than Windows
[15:53] <rick_h_> I'm trying to train myself away from home/end
[15:54] <rick_h_> it's too far away
[15:54] <snap-l> I think they're smoother, not necessarily better.
[15:54] <snap-l> I got away from ctrl-a for home on the command-line because of screen. :)
[15:54] <snap-l> but ctrl-e is a godsend
[15:54] <jrwren> rick_h_: 6-10 yrs ago I was home/end free... i was all emacs & vim and could easily switch between those two env.
[15:54] <jrwren> but i lost that skill :(
[15:55] <jrwren> snap-l: you don't ctrl-a a
[15:55] <jrwren> i type ctrl-a a more than ctrl-a for BOL and so I often get ^A when i'm outside of screen :)
[15:55] <snap-l> heh
[15:56] <rick_h_> I don't use screen as much as I should
[15:56] <rick_h_> so I've not started to work around it's shortcuts
[15:56] <snap-l> I think Byobu's shortcuts are better. They use the Fn keys.
[15:57] <snap-l> so Fn2 is new screen
[15:57] <snap-l> But Ctrl-A still works, though
[15:57] <rick_h_> bah, it messes me up for some reason. Something fails for me, tring to recall what
[15:57] <_stink_> just remap screen's prefix to `.
[15:58] <snap-l> Leave it to GNU utilities to screw up keybindings between programs in the termial
[15:58] <rick_h_> I keep trying byobu but end up back to screen
[16:02] <greg-g> ok, I just tested ctrl+a and ctrl+e in vim, and uh, that was amazing. ctrl-a added 1 to any number I was on and ctrl-e copied whatever was below/above to the line I was one
[16:02] <snap-l> greg-g: Yes, repeat after me: vi is not emacs. ;)
[16:02] <jrwren> i hate byobu shortcuts.
[16:02] <jrwren> i use byobu for the nice bottom bar, but I still use they screen keyboard
[16:02] <jrwren> i want to figure out how to turn off the byobu Fn keys.
[16:02] <greg-g> snap-l: oh, it was emacs they were talking about
[16:02]  * greg-g hangs head
[16:03] <snap-l> Well, bash command line in emacs mode
[16:03] <snap-l> which is more sensical than the vim shortcut mode
[16:03] <snap-l> and this is from a hardcore vim user.
[16:03] <jrwren> greg-g: bash starts in emacs mode by default on most distro. type a line in bash adn try ctrl-a ctrle there.
[16:03] <rick_h_> psh, zsh + vim mode == heaven
[16:03] <snap-l> rick_h_: Yes yes, we know.
[16:03] <jrwren> snap-l: agreed, although I have played with the bash vim mode and decided that it would be very sweet if I were a sysadmin
[16:04] <snap-l> jrwren: Agreed
[16:04] <rick_h_> did I mention zsh > bash?
[16:04] <rick_h_> :)
[16:04] <jrwren> i didn't discover bash vim mode until after I left sysadmin world :(
[16:04] <jrwren> zsh is BARELY > bash
[16:04] <rick_h_> hahahahahahahahahahaha
[16:04] <jrwren> and given bash is more ubiquotous, i'll stick with being able to run my scripts more places.
[16:04] <rick_h_> bash feels like logging into cmd.exe
[16:04] <jrwren> note: I stole that argument from jam for perl > python :)
[16:04] <rick_h_> who said anything about scripts
[16:04] <rick_h_> I mean in just usage
[16:05] <jrwren> i spike scripts at the cmd line all the time.
[16:05] <rick_h_> zsh, type less:do more (I should start an ad campaign)
[16:05] <jrwren> then ctrl-a echo ' and ctrl-e ' > startofnewscript
[16:05] <jrwren> type less? well, I do like ot type less.
[16:05] <rick_h_> 0 == shorter than ctrl-a
[16:05] <rick_h_> $ = shorter than ctrl-e
[16:05] <jrwren> meh, esc 0, you ahve to get into mode.
[16:06] <jrwren> so its 2 keys to 2 keys.
[16:06] <rick_h_> it accepts the same alias I use in vim, jj, it supports D, dw, d4w, etc
[16:06] <jrwren> or 4 keys to 3 keys
[16:06] <jrwren> yes yes, bash vim mode does all that too
[16:06] <snap-l> And now we have our morning flamewar. :)
[16:06] <rick_h_> nope, bash does not allow you to map a custom esc
[16:06] <rick_h_> there we go! flame on!
[16:06] <jrwren> you mean change meta?
[16:06] <jrwren> sure it does.
[16:07] <rick_h_> https://github.com/mitechie/zshrc for the nice lovely list
[16:07] <rick_h_> no, I mean allow me to say "map jj to esc when in insert mode"
[16:07] <jrwren> because its not actually ESC, its meta... and in bash it comes from readline, so just set meta to what you want in .readlinerc.
[16:07] <rick_h_> bindkey "jj" vi-cmd-mode
[16:07] <jrwren> what do you use for your meta?
[16:07] <jrwren> jj?
[16:08] <jrwren> wtf is jj?
[16:08] <rick_h_> meta lol
[16:08] <rick_h_> it's an easier to hit home row combo to change modes
[16:08] <jrwren> like literally typing hte j key twice?
[16:08] <rick_h_> yes, in rapid succession
[16:08] <jrwren> how rapid? I htink I might hate that.
[16:08] <jrwren> "double click the j key"
[16:08] <jrwren> rol
[16:08] <rick_h_> lol
[16:09] <rick_h_> much nicer than the esc key, or ctrl-] and such
[16:09] <rick_h_> so shell matches vim == win
[16:09] <rick_h_> without doing any meta/etc remapping
[16:10] <jrwren> indeed that is sweet.
[16:10] <jrwren> you use teh same thing to toggle modes in vim?
[16:10] <rick_h_> right
[16:10] <rick_h_> " Maps for jj to act as Esc
[16:10] <rick_h_> ino jj <esc>
[16:10] <rick_h_> cno jj <c-c>
[16:11] <_stink_> aren't there some Icelandic words with adjacent 'j's?
[16:11] <_stink_> what if you needed to type them?
[16:11] <rick_h_> yep, thankfully I don't care since I'm american and hate the rest of the world with a fiery passion
[16:12] <rick_h_> I do sometimes need j's and you have to slow down
[16:12] <rick_h_> it has a timeout where if you don't hit a second key, it just types a j
[16:12] <rick_h_> the rest of the time I can switch modes much faster from home row so it's a worthwile tradeoff
[16:15] <Blazeix> I hear the Hajj is nice this time of year.
[16:16] <_stink_> Blazeix++
[16:16] <rick_h_> lol, how long did that take to pull up?
[16:17] <snap-l> http://www.digibarn.com/collections/screenshots/xerox-star-8010/index.html
[16:18] <rick_h_> loading...loading...loading...
[16:18] <_stink_> yeah, dns times out here
[16:18] <snap-l> I think it's getting slashdotted
[16:18] <rick_h_> cache comes up sans images
[16:19] <brousch> came up very quickly for me just now
[16:20] <brousch> hm, all of the links are purple like i'd already visited them
[16:23] <brousch> wow, they had email and non-English letters back then
[16:23] <snap-l> Yeah, pretty radical.
[16:39] <snap-l> Grr, I hate it when I'm wrong
[16:39] <rick_h_> ruh roh
[16:40] <snap-l> Yeah, apparently \r\n is needed
[16:40] <snap-l> and the XML I was sending was messed up
[16:40] <snap-l> It's positional, not a list like I thought it was.
[16:40] <snap-l> blargh
[16:41] <snap-l> On the plus side, I have something working. :)
[17:16] <jrwren> \r\n ?
[17:16] <jrwren> on linux?  :(
[17:16] <tjagoda> Somebody didn't get the memo
[17:18] <rick_h_> http://www.rabbitmq.com/resources/RabbitMQ_Oxford_Geek_Night.pdf
[17:21] <wolfger> what memo?
[17:21]  * wolfger didn't get a memo :-(
[17:23] <TeamXlink> Is running a 300 wat recommended graphics card on a 250wat psu a bad idea?
[17:28] <tjagoda> Yes
[17:28] <tjagoda> The card will perform incorrect math when under-voltage
[17:28] <tjagoda> Strange glitches and etc.
[17:28] <TeamXlink> Alright, sweet thank you!
[17:28] <tjagoda> np
[17:35] <wolfger> uh...
[17:35] <wolfger> wouldn't that actually be under-current?
[17:35] <wolfger> <-- nit-picky
[18:11] <Milyardo> wolfger: V=IR, decreasing voltage decreases current since R is constant
[18:24] <wolfger> Milyardo: P=IE. If a 250W power supply provides 5VDC (or 24VDC, or whatever), the full load amps is constant. If a device requires 350W, it's not asking for higher than normal volts, therefore it must be asking for higher than available amps
[18:25] <wolfger> there is such a thing as a current supply, where the current is constant and the voltage varies, but I've never seen such a thing in a computer. Pinout specify the constant voltage supplied, amps is variable depending on the draw.
[18:40] <ColonelPanic001> for a second I thought I accidently was looking in #hamradio
[18:42] <_stink_> hah
[18:53] <snap-l> http://www.baekdal.com/media/facebook-deemphasizing-twitter-and-brands
[18:53] <snap-l> Bah
[18:54] <snap-l> http://www.baekdal.com/media/facebook-deemphasizing-twitter-and-brands/32F41CE1F5434A37949409815D8978F9AE71601BBCC80153B99E26BDACFD7218
[18:54] <snap-l> Need the hash in order to not get pestered to subscribe
[18:55] <brousch> a multi-network client like hootsuite gets around that problem
[18:56] <snap-l> Frankly, it's yet another example of how Facebook changes the terms of what they'll allow on their site
[18:56] <snap-l> Don't worry, it will get worse.
[18:58] <brousch> i hate facebook
[18:59] <snap-l> I do too. I deleted my account a while ago
[18:59] <snap-l> But, Facebook is moving more and more toward social activity over social presence. It is not enough just to follow somebody. You also have to hug them.
[18:59] <brousch> jrwren: can i send zuckerberg a flaming bag of turds? i know you have opinions about who does and doesn't deserve one
[19:00] <rick_h_> snap-l: http://www.androidcentral.com/top-htc-thunderbolt-accessories for the wife
[19:00] <snap-l> Figures that the second purchase is an expanded battery
[19:01] <snap-l> THis sucker LOVES the battery
[19:03] <rick_h_> yea, I've had the extended battery for a while now and love the difference it makes
[19:03] <rick_h_> though a year in it's starting to wear down a bit
[19:55] <brousch> ah damnitall. we hired a guy to help set up 3d modelling. he is now asking me how to sum a column in excel
[19:56] <jjesse> maybe you shouldn't have hired the guy who showed up w/ the book "3d modeling for dummies"
[19:57] <tjagoda> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_J6GPB38gQ&feature=related
[19:58] <brousch> jjesse: boss's brother
[19:58] <jjesse> awesome
[21:03] <greg-g> snap-l: digging the industrial OMC episode (yes, i'm behind in actually listening to them)
[21:28] <snap-l> greg-g: Cool! Glad you're enjoying it!
[21:55] <greg-g> my boss walks in, asks whether I wear the headphones to listen to music or to make people think I listen to much. I say "both." She then asks what I'm listening to. I should have plugged OMC, but, I don't think she would have understood the term "industrial" :)
[21:57] <_stink_> so what did you say?
[21:58] <snap-l> heh
[21:58] <brousch> bethoven
[22:00] <snap-l> One of my bosses got a taste of Frederik Thorndendal's Special Defects
[22:00] <snap-l> She said it was acid music
[22:04] <greg-g> "internet radio"
[22:05] <snap-l> Bah, that's overbroad
[22:05] <_stink_> cop out
[22:05] <_stink_> "sounds" :P
[22:05] <snap-l> Waveforms that are pleasing to my earholes
[22:05] <_stink_> hah
[22:06] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5FxKow-LJM <- You need to take the opportunity to expand their mind