/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/04/14/#ubuntu-us-mn.txt

klynchHi all01:07
fisch246klynch: hey01:32
klynchfisch246: Hi fisch01:39
fisch2462 more days left to RSVP :302:20
BlackRat90I refuse :P02:22
TakyojiShun the non-believer!02:26
fisch246heh02:26
fisch246Takyoji: you RSVP'd right?02:26
TakyojiLast I recall. xP02:26
fisch246which one were you? :P02:26
TakyojiYou know, that one.02:27
TakyojiThat one guy02:27
BlackRat90Naturally02:27
fisch246ok so a guy...02:27
fisch246that doesn't narrow it down...02:27
Takyojithat has a computer!02:27
fisch246everyone who is coming is a guy02:27
TakyojiAww, no sparklehistory?02:28
fisch246first name...02:29
TakyojiCaleb02:29
BlackRat90Bob02:29
BlackRat90oh02:29
fisch246ah ok02:29
BlackRat90wrong guess02:29
fisch2467 people total so far02:30
fisch246unless BlackRat90 wishes to rsvp...02:30
BlackRat90Who said my name02:30
BlackRat90oh just u02:30
BlackRat90eh...ill get around to it02:31
fisch246you're the guy who got me into Ubuntu... you have to come D:02:31
BlackRat90........mmk02:31
BlackRat90I wonder how hard it would be to lobby to get Dwarf fortress in the software center02:31
fisch246it is in binary form...02:34
fisch246er...02:34
fisch246binary package i mean02:34
TakyojiIf only I didn't work in fast food, then I would definitely have a Unix neckbeard. xP02:43
fisch246haha02:47
TakyojiBecause I very likely could. :P02:49
fisch246my beard is too patchy02:50
fisch246however it's a nice red02:50
TakyojiYay Aphex Twin02:53
fisch246heh02:53
fisch246he's cool02:53
Wally____hi03:13
BlackRat90Hello03:13
Wally____Whats new in ubuntu land03:14
BlackRat90exploding elves O_o03:14
Wally____that don;t sound good03:14
BlackRat90Well they are extremely rare...03:15
BlackRat90<<03:15
Wally____What is this rsvp for>??03:16
fisch246Natty Release Party03:16
fisch246metro area03:16
BlackRat90Natty release party at paul is hosting03:17
fisch246it's been posted on facebook, the mail list, and the website03:17
fisch246and on the IRC03:17
* Wally____ don't read facebook, not on mail lists, didin't know there was a website.03:18
fisch246do you have a facebook?03:18
Wally____ya, but log on like 1 a month03:18
fisch246http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=14941900511511903:18
fisch246all the info you might need03:18
Wally____I will look into it.03:20
Wally____not too far from me.03:20
fisch246make sure to send an email with your name03:21
BlackRat90why dont you just plan for a few extra people rsvping?03:21
BlackRat90like if 10 rsvp, just say like 13-14 will come?03:23
fisch246well i'm getting door prizes...03:23
fisch246it's not for reserving...03:23
BlackRat90oh ok03:23
fisch246you'll also have a chance to win a Tux plush toy03:24
fisch246if i pick that as a prize03:24
BlackRat90you should get a gaint tux plush03:25
fisch246haha03:25
fisch246i think one of them was 1 foot03:25
fisch246yup 1 foot03:25
Wally____how about a laptop?03:26
BlackRat90with ubuntu natty on it!! D:03:26
BlackRat90:D*03:26
fisch246like i have $1,000 off hand...03:26
Wally____Si Si03:26
fisch246or more since it'll have Ubuntu on it...03:26
BlackRat90why more?03:26
Wally____yea really why more?03:27
fisch246System 76 is more expensive03:27
fisch246however i could get a netbook, and install Ubuntu on it03:27
BlackRat90so dont get a 76?03:27
fisch246but like i said...03:27
fisch246i don't have that kind of money03:28
fisch246i can barely afford skyrim...03:28
fisch246and now i can't since my 360 is dead03:28
BlackRat90well....yeah03:28
BlackRat90ask for a slim for ur bday?03:28
tonyyarussoThe problem with shirts is people wear different sizes, so you'd need a bunch.03:28
BlackRat90there only like 20003:28
BlackRat90tonyyarusso proves a point, go with more tux toys03:29
fisch246tonyyarusso: which is why i chose a giant tux plush toy03:29
fisch246that people will draw for03:29
BlackRat90get tiny ones to ><03:29
tonyyarussoh00k got a local computer store to donate a wireless keyboard, and some other tidbits.03:29
fisch246apparently the tiny ones are out of stock, and they're $10 each03:29
BlackRat90damn...03:29
BlackRat90oh btw, i think heidi might come idk03:30
fisch246so everyone is getting 2 stickers...03:30
fisch246mmk03:30
fisch246i'll put her as maybe03:30
BlackRat90are they the POWERED BY UBUNTU03:30
fisch246yup03:30
fisch246one is powered by Ubuntu, the other is powered by Linux03:30
Wally____is this at someones house? or a bar?03:30
h00ktonyyarusso: yisss! O dod!03:30
h00kI, rather03:31
fisch246Wally____: restaurant...03:31
h00koh, hello.03:31
Wally____cool03:31
fisch246$5 meals or so03:31
fisch246i say bring $10 and you should be good03:31
h00khttp://anthonyrhook.com/blog/2009/10/20/ubuntu-karmic-koala-release-party/ and http://anthonyrhook.com/blog/2009/11/08/release-party-success/ for the fun we had over in Wisconsin for Karmic Koala03:32
tonyyarussoh00k: You realize that you got EVERY SINGLE vowel in that wrong?03:32
fisch246so yea i'll have you guys write your names on a piece of paper03:34
h00ktonyyarusso: on o iddnt03:34
fisch246put in a hat... you know the rest03:34
h00ktonyyarusso: I'm trying to get used to my new keyboard... :D03:34
tonyyarussosuuuuuure03:35
tonyyarussoOr your old brain ;)03:35
BlackRat90lulz03:35
fisch246btw BlackRat90, tonyyarusso is the head of the LoCo team :)03:36
BlackRat90LoCo?03:36
BlackRat90local?03:36
tonyyarussos/head/contact/03:36
tonyyarusso!loco03:36
lubotu1Information on Ubuntu Local Community Teams is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams03:36
h00kLocal Community03:36
h00kI am over in Wisconsin03:36
* h00k waves03:36
h00kI'm the LoCo contact over there.03:37
tonyyarussoHe's to cheesy for us.03:37
fisch246h00k: wisconsin isn't minnesota D:03:37
h00kfisch246: YOU're not Minnesota!03:37
h00kyou are fisch246.03:37
BlackRat90Pwnd\03:37
BlackRat90he prove a point :D03:37
h00ktonyyarusso: I'm rabble-rousing.03:37
fisch246but i'm apart of Minnesota :303:37
h00kIs there a meeting right now?03:37
tonyyarussoWe let him hang out in here as part of a Wisconsinte Rehabilitation Program.03:37
fisch246XD03:37
h00ktonyyarusso just feels bad for me.03:38
tonyyarussofisch246: "a part", not "apart".  Apart would mean the opposite in this instance.03:38
h00kI sit in coffee shops and write wedding-rsvp webapps in Ruby-on-Rails. :(03:38
h00ktonyyarusso: it's cool, fisch246 wants to be in Wisconsin.03:38
h00kClearly!03:38
fisch246h00k: nah i prefer colorado >.>03:38
tonyyarussoand I want to be in Canada!03:38
h00kAh, supervolcaones and stuff. Makes sense 0.o03:39
* fisch246 starts humming "blame canada"03:39
BlackRat90I want to be on mars...03:39
h00ktonyyarusso: I hear you bought some land!03:39
tonyyarussoI did!03:39
h00kBlackRat90: I started an Ubuntu Mars LoCo! True Story!03:39
BlackRat90I wonder if i can create a loco community on mars03:39
h00kAhahaha03:39
* tonyyarusso gets link03:39
h00khttp://anthonyrhook.com/blog/2010/04/01/introducing-the-ubuntu-mars-loco/03:39
h00kAlso, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2010-April/004335.html03:40
BlackRat90How do i join!03:40
tonyyarussohttp://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=207146331874701287310.0004a0616b6704fa51b12&t=h&z=1903:40
tonyyarussoh00k: ^^03:40
h00ktonyyarusso: 4 feet of land!03:40
tonyyarussoSlightly more than that03:40
h00k7?03:41
tonyyarussoIt's 10,000 square feet.03:41
tonyyarussoaka a quarter acre.03:41
h00ktonyyarusso: whacha gonna do with it?03:41
BlackRat90where did you get 10k square feet?03:41
tonyyarussoBlackRat90: see link03:41
BlackRat90I only have two feet and their not square03:41
tonyyarussoh00k: Camp, use as launching point for various recreation.03:41
h00ktonyyarusso: you can even fit a tent on it!03:41
tonyyarussoh00k: For instance, see the 3.5-mile paddle from a nearby public boat launch to a BWCA access point.  http://files.tonyyarusso.com/bwca-access-map.png03:42
BlackRat90so h00k did the wisconsin loco boot you out? or do you just enjoy the mn irc03:42
h00kBlackRat90: nah, I chill in here, too. I was up in Superior, which is on the border, so it kinda made sense.03:43
h00ktonyyarusso: that is 279 miles away from me :) (your land)03:43
BlackRat90indeed? do you still live in superior?03:43
h00kBlackRat90: also, allows for cross-state coordination.03:43
h00kBlackRat90: on weekends, basically.03:43
h00kOtherwise I'm in Rhinelander, WI03:43
BlackRat90h00k coordinated what? assaults on iowa??03:44
h00kBlackRat90: nah, we had some Minnesotans over at the Release Party in Superior, for example03:44
tonyyarussoAlso in that map, the brown areas are three State Parks, the purple area is a peatland transition Scientific & Natural Area, like 90% of the area covered there is either state or national forest, the point opposite Soudan is an Indian Reservation, all of the red dots are boat launches, the lake is Lake Vermilion, the 5th largest lake in the state, with excellent sailing and fishing, and the dotted brown line is the Arrowhead ...03:44
tonyyarusso... State Trail (hiking, mountain biking, ATV, & snowmobile - natural surface).03:45
tonyyarussoh00k: not much different from how far it is from me, really.  It's a 3 hour 45 minute drive.03:45
BlackRat90h00k for does wisconsin need help taking chicago? (Thats right i know ur secret plan O_o)03:45
h00ktonyyarusso: that map could look like an attack plan.03:45
tonyyarussoh00k: 214 miles by the shortest route.03:45
h00kBlackRat90: Chicago is a silly place, I don't want it :(03:46
BlackRat90h00k Hmm, interesting because the one weekend i spent in Milwaukee i witnessed dozens of military vehicles mobilizing for the assault03:47
h00kBlackRat90: although, they sometimes have some fun LoCo stuff going on down there. Madison has quite a bit of Linux activity, which is cool.03:47
BlackRat90I just figured...03:47
tonyyarussowhile I'm linking maps, http://files.tonyyarusso.com/andycreek.png is the campsite I adopt on the Superior Hiking Trail.03:47
h00ktonyyarusso: DO YOU GET TO NAME IT?03:47
BlackRat90lol03:47
h00ktonyyarusso: I see all of my possible wedding locations on that map :303:47
tonyyarussoh00k: Uh, the campsite no, but my land I could.03:48
tonyyarussoThe campsite is called "Andy Creek".03:48
h00ktonyyarusso: rename to "Anthony Creek" please03:48
BlackRat90tonyyarusso: you should name it something interesting, like ubuntu land03:48
tonyyarussohehe03:49
BlackRat90h00k Oh!! what if Minnesota and Wisconsin launched an assault for the microsoft hq to demand that they go open source??03:49
h00kI sense a theme with these 'assults,03:50
BlackRat90theme? what theme... >.<03:50
fisch246i totally want to grab lunch with Richard Stallman03:51
h00ker, well, assaults being the theme, really.03:51
BlackRat90indeed? well then i think this assault should be about bring the end of days (for closed source software)03:51
fisch246i think stallman should donate me his beard >.>03:53
tonyyarussoh00k: You should come up and camp on my land sometime.03:53
h00ktonyyarusso: probably, yeah.03:53
fisch246tonyyarusso: mind if i start offering the land to hippies?03:53
fisch246start drum circles03:53
tonyyarussohaha, that might be a bad idea.03:55
fisch246don't want to be arrested for weed on your property?03:55
tonyyarussoFor one thing, the Bois Forte folk would come over and tell you you're doing it wrong.03:55
tonyyarussoThat too.03:55
fisch246lots, and lots of weed...03:55
BlackRat90then ide sneak in and spike all the drinking water with LSD....03:56
tonyyarussoh00k: I'm going to need an assistant coming up to help me attempt to self-survey it, since I can't afford a real survey.03:58
h00ktonyyarusso: I have a survey app on my Droid.03:59
h00ktrue story.03:59
tonyyarussoUh, what's it do?03:59
h00kI used it once on a pier in Washburn, once in a bathroom (don't ask).03:59
h00ktonyyarusso: measures...distances. And stuff.03:59
BlackRat90I think i have that app03:59
tonyyarussoh00k: with the GPS?04:00
tonyyarussoor what?04:00
BlackRat90something like that04:00
h00ktonyyarusso: I think? And the camera, position of elements, the sensors04:00
h00kI don't know. It's magic.04:00
BlackRat90also involves the camera i think04:00
BlackRat90Yeah, the driods are magic04:00
h00kI don't ask questions. I just assimilate.04:01
BlackRat90and george lucas gets money every time you buy one!!04:01
tonyyarussoh00k: I doubt that has sufficient accuracy for this purpose though.  The parcel is only 50 feet wide, so the plus or minus 15 foot accuracy of consumer GPS won't cut it.04:01
h00ktonyyarusso: I can get locks on upwards of....04:01
* h00k checks04:01
BlackRat90pst tonyyarusso the 15 foot accuracy is usually assuming that you have the lowest amount of satellites04:02
BlackRat90my hand held gps gets like 1-2 ft on a good clear day04:02
h00ktonyyarusso: I have a fix on 10 satellites in my house, error is 0m04:02
tonyyarussoBlackRat90: In the forest?04:03
h00ksitting at my desk, here04:03
h00kin my apartments04:03
tonyyarussoh00k: lol.  Your phone LIES.04:03
h00ktonyyarusso: NOU04:03
BlackRat90tonyyarusso well yeah gps is epic like that04:03
tonyyarussooh hey, Peterborough finally got Google Street View.04:03
tonyyarussoh00k: My plan is cooler anyway.  It's likely to involve lasers.04:03
BlackRat90noice04:04
h00ktonyyarusso: GPS status shows a fix on 10 satellites, I see what ones, and apparently an error of 0 feet04:04
BlackRat90so less then 1ft04:05
h00ktonyyarusso: check your gmail, I'm not sure what that will show you04:05
h00koop, fixed on 10 of 11 satellites04:05
tonyyarussoI would, if Firefox hadn't just hung when you said that.04:08
h00kkillall firefox; sudo apt-get install chromium-browser04:08
fisch246win04:09
tonyyarussoAnyway, you can bring your fancy schmancy phone if you want, but I highly doubt GPS will work.04:09
h00kyeah, yeah :p04:09
tonyyarussoIt was Flash's fault, not Firefox.04:09
BlackRat90 Is 1366x768 considered HD?04:09
fisch246yes04:10
fisch246it's over 720p04:10
fisch246it's in a 16:9 ratio as well, which doesn't mean HD but just fyi04:11
BlackRat90i kno04:11
klynchwhats going on in here.04:11
klynchdid i here someone say kill firefox?04:11
klynchevil :)04:11
BlackRat90idk if 1366x768 is considered HD i think its just better then 720p04:13
fisch246well 720p is HD04:13
fisch246so isn't anything higher than it HD?04:13
BlackRat901080p04:13
BlackRat90i think 1080p is the niciest wide screen res04:14
BlackRat90unless 8:5 is wide04:14
BlackRat90So does anyone else here play Dwarf Fortress?04:18
tonyyarussoh00k: um, I have a 2D bar code from you apparently?04:46
fisch246soon as Ubuntu 14.04 comes out... i'm gonna remove XP from my mom's computer and do a fresh install of Ubuntu04:59
tonyyarusso....14.04?  Long wait.05:00
fisch246April 2014 is when XP expires05:00
fisch246she's currently dual booting with Wubi05:00
tonyyarussoyeah - why not before then?05:00
fisch246Wubi puts Ubuntu inside windows05:00
fisch246inside the partition05:00
BlackRat90oh really?05:00
BlackRat90thats how that works...05:00
fisch246so if i'm gonna remove XP... means goodbye Ubuntu as well...05:01
fisch246so might as well do a fresh install05:01
tonyyarussoyup05:02
fisch246it'll be a bitch to backup Windows though >.<05:03
fisch246backing up Ubuntu you just bring over the home folder05:03
fisch246however i might be able to do the same with windows05:03
fisch246well you COULD bring over EVERYTHING in ubuntu to make it be what it was exactly...05:04
fisch246couldn't you just format the hard drive as ext4 then bring over every single file, and folder?05:05
fisch246well doesn't have to be ext4, but you know what i mean05:05
fisch246a zombie movie about the point of view of a zombie... genius...06:17
TakyojiI'm too paranoid of a person to ever use a wireless keyboard. xP08:22
TakyojiThat would make keylogging really easy for some. xP08:22
fisch246how so?08:23
fisch246isn't it just as easy?08:23
TakyojiWell, I'm implying the case of where someone is physically nearby08:23
Takyojito keylog from the wireless transmissions08:23
* Takyoji wears his tinfoil hat08:24
fisch246heh08:24
fisch246i only use my wireless at home08:24
TakyojiI preferably use an Ethernet cable for any device. :P08:24
TakyojiEven my laptop08:24
fisch246it's really not that easy bro...08:24
TakyojiIf my smartphone was able to connect to a wired connection, then I'd do that too. :P08:24
fisch246someone would have to hack your router first...08:25
fisch246which is easy to do, but also easy to make counter08:25
TakyojiYou can always capture long long before and brute force for quite some time.08:25
tonyyarussohacking a router isn't easy unless you're using old garbage08:25
fisch2462 hours isn't that long...08:26
fisch246though that's wep i believe...08:26
TakyojiPfft, WEP is under 15 minutes08:26
tonyyarussoWEP can be cracking in 3 minutes.08:26
TakyojiProbably even a few seconds with OpenCL-based acceleration08:26
tonyyarussoWPA2+AES on the other hand, good luck.08:26
fisch246unless you mean the router itself to change the settings...08:26
fisch246however if you have mac address filtering it wouldn't matter if someone hacked the router...08:27
TakyojiYou can brute force the passphrases for WPA or WPA2, especially with rainbow tables08:27
fisch246erm... wireles08:27
fisch246wireless*08:27
TakyojiEspecially the large amount of rainbow table generating communities out there, especially for WPA/WPA208:27
tonyyarussoFeel free to come hack my wireless then Takyoji :P08:27
fisch246tonyyarusso: that'll be the next LoCo party08:28
TakyojiYou can just use the MAC addresses of the approved devices. :P08:28
fisch246tonyyarusso: first one to hack your wireless gets a prize08:28
TakyojiAnd it's not that hard to find them, considering, oh yanno, some of the devices will be using it. :P08:28
TakyojiGee, I'll have to bring my desktop and Ophcrack then. :P08:29
TakyojiErm08:29
TakyojiWell, I think Ophcrack is solely rainbow table generation rather than realtime bruteforcing a specific hash08:29
Takyojihash/passphrase08:30
fisch246Takyoji: every device have their own unique mac address...08:31
tonyyarussoBrute forcing takes a loooooooooooong time.08:31
* fisch246 is currently avoiding #ubuntu-offtopic08:31
Takyojihttp://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/09/how-to-change-mac-address-of-your.html08:32
fisch246tonyyarusso: it'll be a long event haha08:32
TakyojiOtherwise, you can always just use a wireless card that supports packet injection (which I have, yay)08:32
tonyyarussoA ten-character passphrase has 66,483,263,599,150,104,576 possibilities.08:32
fisch246so when people start camping outside your house, no worries, it's just us :308:32
TakyojiAnd most of them crunch numbers at a factor of 10s of millions of possibilities a second.08:33
tonyyarussoIf your hardware can try one trillion passwords per second, that would take two years to get through.08:33
TakyojiAnd then also a dictionary-based attack really limits down the possibilities08:33
tonyyarussopsssh, for dictionary-based passwords.08:33
fisch246tonyyarusso: we'll have a group outside your house once natty comes out... the person who can hack your net before 12.04 gets a prize08:35
Takyojiahh yes, 200,000,000/sec on my hardware (which is a few years dated now)08:36
TakyojiI'm curious what more modern GPUs are capable of, including with SLI and all08:36
TakyojiI should check what the BitCoin miners use. xP08:37
tonyyarussosleep time08:38
fisch246what kinda prize should i award?08:38
TakyojiHoly crap, mine is a bit dated. xP08:38
fisch246maybe immunization from the U.S. government?08:39
fisch246anyway...08:39
TakyojiFor the case of BitCoin, my GPU does 24,500,000 hashes/s, whereas the best NVidia model is 127,000,000; and the top AMD hardware is 746,000,00008:40
fisch246tonyyarusso: does a 12" tus plush toy sound like a good prize for the party?08:40
* fisch246 had never hacked a wireless in his life08:40
fisch246s/had/has08:41
fisch246Takyoji: heh i just looked at that link08:42
fisch246so basically you run a script that attempts to change your mac address to anything it can until it gets a connection?08:43
TakyojiFor the whole period the system is running, otherwise I think there's also a way to make the setting persistent08:44
fisch246well... first you need to get past the password...08:45
TakyojiOf course. :P08:45
TakyojiGood ol public services, as well: http://www.wpacracker.com/ xP08:46
fisch246so if i ran that command... would it be permanent? or would it only be temporary?08:46
TakyojiJust for the remainder of the time the system is still running08:47
fisch246ah ok08:47
fisch246cool08:49
TakyojiNot sure if your system will send an ARP packet to the network implying your new MAC address08:50
fisch246i suppose it might be time for bed...08:51
TakyojiHah:08:51
TakyojiFacebook is suggesting me to like Oracle. xP08:52
fisch246ha nice08:52
Takyojifor "Recommended Pages"08:52
fisch246holy mother f---08:53
fisch246i was JUST about to type in Richard Stallman...08:53
fisch246then i look over at the recommended pages...08:54
Takyojiheh http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/76976_166165063414216_100000621702681_377964_699124_n.jpg08:58
fisch246XD08:59
fisch246RMS :309:00
fisch246suggest any pages?09:02
TakyojiI wonder if RMS has any direct code involvement with the GNU components at all or not anymore. xP09:02
fisch246heh no idea09:02
Takyojididn't know Eric S Raymond has cerebral palsy.09:04
fisch246neither did i09:04
TakyojiSeen 'Revolution OS' or 'Pirates of Silicon Valley' at all?09:05
fisch246nah09:05
fisch246i have to remember to catch what i say as i might meet all of you someday XD09:12
Takyojispecifically implying? :P09:17
fisch246well nothing09:19
Takyojito hold back what you say, or? :P09:19
Takyojiand yes, I'm the youngest one here (as a random aside)09:20
fisch246yea i suppose09:21
fisch246i'm not a very private person09:21
fisch246but still09:21
fisch246gotta remember i can't troll here like i can at off topic :309:21
TakyojiDon't worry, I won't do anything with the information of where you live. :P09:23
Takyojiand no, I'm only kidding. xP09:23
fisch246is it just me... or is the people at #linux, nicer than the people at #ubuntu-offtopic09:27
fisch246are*09:27
TakyojiI haven't touched either. :P09:32
fisch246i have a fanboy in off topic haha09:33
Takyojiand to sleep I go09:34
fisch246heh09:35
fisch246alright09:35
fisch246night bro09:35
fisch246hey tonyyarusso when does #ubuntu-release-party open?23:09
fisch246i'm assuming next thursday?23:10
fisch246o btw...23:10
fisch246http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/890/detail/23:10
fisch246:)23:10
fisch246bring $10 and you should be set23:17
fisch246BlackRat90: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/890/detail/23:17
fisch246since you were offline for not23:18
fisch246for the link*23:18
fisch246the place knows we're coming :)23:18
fisch246this saturday i'll be emailing you all the details, and next week's saturday i'll ive out my cell23:21
fisch246again that only goes to the people who have RSVP'd23:21
fisch246only a matter of time till i put tonyyarusso out of a job :P23:49

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