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dmcgloneHi all01:19
canthus13herro.01:23
* canthus13 successfully installed DD-WRT on his E2000. :)01:23
paultagcanthus13: herrrro01:23
paultagcanthus13: wooo :)01:24
_bbbhmm01:26
_bbbmy folks need a new router01:27
_bbbseems fried01:27
_bbbwcg20001:27
_bbbwireless cable gateway01:29
TheErkWoot!01:33
TheErkI mean.01:33
canthus13_bbb: Eww. Combo devices suck. the heat from the wireless chipset and the cable chipset together makes 'em die quickly. I'd recommend getting discrete components.  If their ISP supports it, go for an Arris 7xx cable modem.01:33
TheErkBah01:33
TheErkBah oot01:34
_bbbyer right ive had two of these die01:34
* canthus13 can't even keep his router sitting on top of the cable modem because of the heat.01:34
canthus13Keeping them next to each other instead seems to keep 'em plenty cool.01:34
canthus13(Arris 760 if they don't have tel service through the cable co, arris 722 if they do)01:35
_bbbtwc cleveland01:35
canthus13I think twc will let you use just about any piece of crap out there.01:35
TheErkDOH i forgot.01:35
TheErkHello everyone.01:35
_bbbyo01:36
canthus13TheErk: Greetings, applet. ;)01:36
_bbbe2000 eh01:36
_bbbstill got the trusty wrt54gl01:36
Unit193_bbb: WRT54GS v3 and WRT54G v601:37
_bbbnod nod01:37
canthus13_bbb: Good router 'til it finally dies. :)01:38
canthus13The E2000 is pretty decent so far... now that I don't have the crappy original firmware that was blocking 3/4 of my http requests.01:38
* canthus13 wonders if he could set up aircrack on the router... :)01:39
_bbbhow much was it01:40
canthus13Oh cool. the ports on it are autosense. :)01:41
canthus13_bbb: Wal-mart has 'em on sale for $69.95 right now.01:41
* canthus13 can free up a port on his switch now.01:41
_bbbnot bad $80 on newegg01:41
_bbba usb port would be nice01:41
Unit193canthus13: How far can you go on that?01:41
canthus13Unit193: Not sure. Haven't tested the range right now.01:44
canthus13_bbb: It would be. Right now, I'm looking to see if I can add one to it.01:44
_bbbe3000 has em but $200 oof01:44
_bbbhas one01:44
canthus13_bbb: e3000 is 129 I think.. (Or 179?)01:46
dmcgloneBiosElement: Where you at?01:46
_bbbsomewhere inbetween there yeah01:46
_bbbhe is everywhere he is nowhere01:47
_bbb179 on newegg few bucks cheaper elsewhere01:48
canthus13_bbb: e2000 has gigabit ports, which was my main need. :)01:48
_bbbhmm E2100L01:49
_bbbno gige tho01:50
canthus132100L has more RAN.01:50
canthus13..RAM.01:50
canthus1364MB as opposed to 32 in the 2000.01:50
canthus138 MB of flash in both.01:50
_bbbwhats up with valet01:50
canthus13It's the complete idiot's router.01:50
_bbbheh01:51
canthus13It's the Mac of routers.01:51
_bbbi see01:51
_bbbit has one button01:51
_bbband one light01:51
canthus13not much in the way of user configuration options, but dead easy to set up, from what I understand.01:51
* canthus13 hasn't put his hands on one yet.01:51
canthus13The one really cool feature is a guest SSID that sandboxes guests from the rest of the network and only allows them access to the internet.01:53
_bbbhmm what about buffalo01:53
canthus13buffalo is nice, but hard to find in stores.01:53
canthus13at least around here. :/01:53
_bbbsurfing newegg01:54
_bbbnow i want a nas for myself01:54
_bbbor just an enclosure01:54
Unit193From the one I have used, Belkin is crap02:04
canthus13Belkin is the loss leader router. their only plus is the lifetime warranty.02:04
canthus13other tha that, they drop connection all the time, crash, knock out phone service if you have a phone/data cable modem, and do other nasty things.02:05
Unit193...and they only let you use a max 3 letter pass (if you enter longer, you get the first 3 letters) that they encode into the login page02:08
canthus13Never noticed that.02:10
Unit193You have to view frame source, not page02:11
canthus13I've never lingered around a  belkin long enough to look at the page source. :P02:11
Unit193I couldn't seem to login with the password I set, so I looked at the frame source02:12
dmcglonehas anyone here ever wondered where they belong in the computer world?02:32
paultagsure02:33
dmcglonedid you solve it?02:33
paultagdmcglone: sure. I joined up with Ubuntu02:34
paultagdmcglone: now i'm a bit doubtful, so I might move to Debian or Fluxbox02:34
paultagI'm doing work in both right now02:34
TheErkPaaaaul02:34
paultagTheErkkkkkkkkk02:34
paultagTheErk: s'new?02:34
dmcgloneI went to a PHP meet tonight and man did I feel so underclass02:34
paultagheh02:35
paultagdmcglone: that happens no matter what02:35
TheErkNot a thing worth mentioning02:35
paultagspeaking of, I need to finish my 1 KLOC patch02:35
paultagTheErk: :)02:35
dmcglonewell after the meet tonight I don't know if I am doubting myself or lying to myself.. LOL02:37
dmcgloneI was blown away on how far behind I may be :-/02:38
paultagbah02:39
dmcgloneanyone got any knowledge on cloud technology?02:39
paultago/02:39
paultagI try to learn everything02:39
dmcglonewe had a 2 hour discussion on CMS's and a lot of it was on the Cloud technology and I was lagging bad in that area02:40
dmcgloneI met a dude that has a very successful PHP business and doesn't write a lick of PHP02:41
paultagdmcglone: haha02:42
dmcglonewhere the fuck did I go wrong?02:42
dmcglonelol02:42
paultag:P02:42
dmcgloneI guess I'll have to step up my game02:43
paultagaye! :)02:43
dmcglonelooks like I'll be shopping for more books tomorrow :-/02:44
dmcgloneif only the damn university or local college had free classes ;-)02:44
dmcgloneopen source college!!02:45
dmcgloneya!!02:45
paultagthere actually was something like that for a while02:45
dmcgloneno way??02:45
dmcgloneand I missed it!! damn!02:45
paultagheh, it was only OK02:46
dmcgloneI keep telling myself, all I need to do is set up a plan and stick to it, but I'm just too damn lazy at times. lol02:47
paultagheh, I hear ya02:47
dmcgloneI guess thats why college is so expensive. LOL02:47
paultagaye02:47
dmcgloneback in the day colleges didn't have much in the "programming" field, so the closest I got was EET and thats what I took and now I freakin regret it02:49
dmcglonewhen do you graduate paultag?02:51
paultagdmcglone: next monthish?02:52
paultagit's getting pretty frightning02:52
dmcgloneI can relate to that :-) I wish you the best on graduation02:53
paultagthanks, dmcglone!!02:53
dmcgloneI recall a few months back you were trying for google, how'd that go?02:54
paultagdmcglone: oh, they figured out I was just a young'n and bailed. No big deal, I was not expecting anything seriously, they canvas the Ubuntu community a lot02:54
thafreakand another thing that pisses me off...02:55
dmcgloneyoung or old, dude you got skills! :-)02:55
thafreakthe cable company limiting my uploads speed02:55
paultagdmcglone: thanks, man! :)02:55
paultagthafreak: yeah man, fuck that02:55
dmcglonethafreak: they decided you needed a cap for a while ;-)02:55
thafreakstarts out at ~2mbps, then drops slowly to like 50k02:55
canthus13thafreak: That's fucked.02:56
thafreakbut why uploads...02:56
dmcgloneare you sure it's the cable company? have you checked connections etc, etc02:56
canthus13thafreak: We don't limit upload speeds... we do delay bulk data if necessary... Nobody's going to worry if their torrent takes 2 minutes longer in order to ensure VoIP traffic is on time.02:56
dmcglonesometimes if the coax cable isn't tight it will effect up/down speeds02:57
canthus13If the coax isn't tight it will affect everything. your SNR and power levels go all over the place, the modem drops connections, the logs fill up with T3 and T4 timeouts...02:57
canthus131/4 turn past finger tight is the way it *should* be installed.02:57
dmcglone:-)02:58
canthus13(As long as you have decent quality connectors... if you've got the crap ones that crack easily, forget it.)02:58
canthus13but yeah. cracked fittings and blown splitters will also cause that to happen. the speed slows due to retransmits.02:58
paultagBRB, heading to me house02:58
canthus13check the modem stat page and see if the uncorrectable code words are rising as the speed drops.02:59
* dmcglone always checks the obvious before losing his mind02:59
dmcglonewindow just went poof!03:03
* canthus13 is about to throw DD-WRT on his old 300N now.03:07
BiosElementdmcglone: At? Half dead :P03:18
Unit193Hrm... Ubuntu Ohio website is down...03:23
canthus13that was fun.03:27
canthus13Took all of 20 minutes to install on the 300N.  the e2000 took nearly an hour.03:27
=== andrew_ is now known as Guest53556
Guest53556#nick andrew03:32
Guest53556nick andrew03:33
Unit193 /nick03:33
Guest53556who do you change nick name03:33
Unit193 /nick andrew03:34
canthus13...and then pick another nick because nickserv will smack you down because someone else already registered andrew03:34
Guest53556ok03:34
=== Guest53556 is now known as gillyman
Unit193Ah, didn't check that...03:34
canthus13:) Not bein' a dick.. but someone else already owns it.03:34
gillymanits ok03:34
canthus13Unit193: Gotta figure every common name is already taken. :)03:35
gillymanthank ypou03:35
thafreakuhhhhhhhh I *SO* hate microsoft's assinine licensing...03:35
thafreakmakes me want to punch baby seals03:35
canthus13thafreak: s/'s assinine licensing//03:35
canthus13fixed.03:35
thafreakthat's what she said03:35
canthus13thafreak: My wife is a little creeped out by having XP running inside virtualbox on her laptop for a few little apps she needs.  Sort of like her machine has been tainted. :)03:36
thafreakso you want to run windows virtually...good f***in luck03:36
dmcgloneI am dreading the PHP 5.3 release!!!03:36
thafreakyou're probably breaking the law doing that sadly03:36
canthus13thafreak: It works, and the USB passthrough allows her webcam to work fine in there with skype. (Linux skype doesn't support conference video calls)03:36
thafreakcause microsoft is assholes03:37
canthus13thafreak: Not with the XP license. :)03:37
* dmcglone runs windows virtually....(in the back of his mind)03:37
dmcglone;-)03:37
canthus13XP's license came before virtualization was a profit center for htem.03:37
thafreakis it an oem license though?03:37
canthus13yep03:37
thafreakbreakin the law...sort of03:37
canthus13Fuck 'em.03:38
thafreakthey'd still probably sue you...03:38
thafreakoh I know03:38
thafreakI'd love to03:38
dmcglonesue you for what?03:38
canthus13Nah. They might blacklist my certs, but I don't care.03:38
dmcglonelol03:38
Cheri703I could never get oem licenses to work in a vm, it wouldn't read the actual machine's bios03:38
thafreakwith a razer dildo03:38
canthus13Cheri703: really?03:38
canthus13Cheri703: XP went in just fine.03:38
Cheri703yeah, tried it on a few dells03:38
canthus13Huh. Hers is an Inspiron 14z.03:38
Cheri703well, I was using virtualbox, never tried it with vmware player03:38
canthus13It's running in vbox.03:39
gillymancheri is andy from panera bread the other day03:39
Cheri703weird canthus1303:39
canthus13XP home, though.. but that shouldn't make a difference, really.03:39
Cheri703hey gillyman :)03:39
Cheri703I use pro03:39
Cheri703I have mine using a proper license03:39
gillymani was wondering if you can look at my gf computer03:39
Cheri703my compaq dual-boot machine on the other hand, it's using an oem :) I heart oem xp pro03:39
gillymankinda soon03:39
Cheri703sure03:39
canthus13Ah. I happened to get a good deal on XP home OEM disks when the place I worked for screwed up and installed it on 64 machines that were intended to be a linux cluster.03:40
Cheri703nice03:40
canthus13So it's a legit license.03:40
gillymanshes having problems loading things and getting her anti virus to work03:40
* Cheri703 has hp/compaq, dell, and gateway oem XP Pro cd's :D03:40
Cheri703ok03:40
Cheri703I sent you a pm, do you see it? we can discuss in there03:41
canthus13Cheri703: Oh. you mean an OEM's custom CD, not an OEM install CD.03:41
thafreakonly legit if you purchased it with a hard drive or memory :)03:41
Cheri703oh, maybe03:41
Cheri703that's probably the difference03:41
Cheri703sorry03:41
canthus13thafreak: I bought it with a motherboard.03:41
* Cheri703 thinks of those when thinking oem03:41
thafreakok03:41
* canthus13 is referring to OEM as in the OEM packs you buy from MS.03:41
Cheri703gotcha03:42
gillymanwhen can we meet????03:42
thafreakall I want is to run windows for a client to run their crappy ass quickbooks "server"03:42
Cheri703gillyman: what operating system is she running?03:42
canthus13thafreak: It's too bad there's nothing comparable in Linux... I can't find any good accounting software. (gnucash doesn't count, it's crap for business use)03:42
gillymanwin 703:42
BiosElementcanthus13: Business use, not much. But Skrooge is pretty decent for personal finances.03:43
Cheri703kk, I'm fairly available this week, at least at this point.03:43
canthus13BiosElement: Yeah.  The biggest problem with converting businesses over to Linux is the lack of good accounting software.  Inventory control software comes a close second. :(03:43
Cheri703gillyman: try right clicking on my screen name and choosing "open dialog window" or something like that03:43
BiosElementcanthus13: Stupid question, but wouldn't it make more sense for inventory control stuff to be a web app rather then a stupid installed app? >.>03:44
thafreakthe thing is I can't use something "like" quickbooks, I have to set up quick books for them03:44
thafreakthey bought like 4 licenses...and they are trying to network them03:44
canthus13BiosElement: Depends. For a small business with only a few PCs to deal with, there's no sense in the added complexity of a web server and apps.03:44
thafreakwhich in quickbooks land, that means you use a "database" file that's on a windows share03:44
canthus13thafreak: And of course, quickbooks probably doesn't work right in wine.03:45
BiosElementcanthus13: Just think it'd make a world of more sense.03:45
thafreakhaha no03:45
thafreakyou can share the database file with samba...but it's not supported like that03:45
* Unit193 updated the wiki because no one that knew what they were doing would03:45
canthus13Unit193: Eh?03:45
thafreakthey want to run some stupid process that locks the file depending on who's accessing it or something03:45
thafreakinstead of just relying on an actual database server...03:46
thafreakOh, their "enterprise" version uses mysql or postgres I think...03:46
canthus13thafreak: Heh. We have a silly app for doing QC calls... that's shared by about 100 people.  Running on an access database.03:46
thafreakbut that cost an additional $2k03:46
Unit193canthus13: I've never changed any of the wikis03:46
canthus13Unit193: which wiki are you referring to?03:46
Unit193canthus13: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam03:47
canthus13Ah.03:47
BiosElementWhat's the status on the library deal?03:53
dmcgloneBiosElement: verdict is still out :-/03:58
* canthus13 <3 autosense. It saved him from making a stupid crossover cable.03:58
BiosElementBleh03:58
canthus13I still think we should make it a geeknic instead.03:59
thafreakanyone know anything about i3 vs i5 for a laptop?04:03
thafreakdoes the i3's suck?04:03
thafreakneed to order a new laptop for a new dumbass sales person....04:03
canthus13They're fine. they used to have issues with video in ubuntu, but they're fine now.04:04
thafreakubuntu, you're funny04:04
canthus13Unless that dumbass salesperson needs heavy duty processing power, it should work just fine.04:04
thafreakI think the sales people I deal with, their head would explode if they saw ubuntu....the would be so confused04:05
thafreakwell, they do seem to watch movies and porn on their laptops....except this is a woman i believe...so maybe not so much porn...04:05
thafreakand make "databases" with excel04:06
canthus13thafreak: It should handle porn just fine... maybe not the virus load associated with porn, though.04:06
canthus13Heck, for light-duty stuff like that, a dual-core atom would be fine.04:06
thafreakwow, it's like $250 more for the i5...04:06
thafreakfuck em04:06
thafreakthey get an i304:07
canthus13Now I need to figure out how to mount an NFS share to the router so I can use it as storage space.  3.5MB is not enough to install the packages I want. :/04:18
dmcglonenight all04:19
canthus13Anyone know why VNC won't pass the shift key?04:21
Unit193Do you need Scroll Lock on?04:22
o0splitpaw0ouse the macro in the lready are0 aclient (ir assuming y04:22
o0splitpaw0ouhg.. the VNC client (most clients) should have under options to hold down keys during a session.04:24
canthus13Hmm.04:39
* canthus13 pokes through terminal server client's settings again.04:39
canthus13Nothing there.. Of course, it could be buried in a config file somewhere.04:40
* SkrappJaw is lurking04:57
canthus13SkrappJaw: You can't be lurking if you speak. :P05:06
SkrappJaw*lurk* >::P05:07
Cheri703hey SkrappJaw05:07
* SkrappJaw is being spoke about in the 3rd person.05:07
SkrappJawHello Cheri05:07
SkrappJawangry birds works in wine.05:08
Cheri703nice05:08
SkrappJawi just need to know how to make a launcher for it.05:09
Unit193I do funny things with world of goo...05:25
SkrappJawanyone still alive?06:47
thafreakMorning Ohio16:54
Derath-SrvrHey Freak17:20
thafreakI'm setting up a windows xp vm...17:26
thafreakThe cd's I have...pre-sp2...oh this will be fun17:26
Derath-Srvrlol17:27
thafreakAnyone want to guess how many times I can install ubuntu in the time it takes to get sp2 installed :)17:29
thafreakHell, I'll even install 6.06 just to be fair :)17:29
Derath-Srvrlol17:35
Unit193I have a 6.10 disk upstairs if you want it ;)18:02
canthus13thafreak: Worked fine with my XPSP1 CD.18:32
canthus13bah. Why is my router suddenly refusing to allow freenx through? It pretends to.18:43
canthus13bah.18:55
Derath-Srvrzzzzzzzzzzzz18:56
canthus13anyone around here good with iptables?19:13
Derath-SrvrWish I was... been trying to get that as a lug topic for quite a while19:14
canthus13Heh. My router is being an ass and refusing to forward a port to a machine that needs it.19:21
* Derath-Srvr smirks19:24
Derath-Srvropenwrt? or stock?19:25
Derath-Srvralso is the firewall enabled on the receiving machine?19:25
canthus13DD-WRT.19:30
Unit193I have iptables that Tomato configured for me19:30
canthus13it's not forwarding ssh through port 2228 or 2229. 2228 seems to be properly configured in iptables, but the router is refusing to forward.  2229 is missing completely. :/  port 22 is forwarded properly, but I don't have a gui on that machine, and thus can't use chrome to log into the router (other browsers don't seem to like the config page)19:32
canthus13THe worst part is this all worked fine yesterday.19:32
Derath-Srvrcan you change the rule for 22 to 2228 and copy it for 2229?19:33
Unit193-A PREROUTING -p tcp  -d ||MYIP|| --dport ||OUTSIDEPORT|| -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.128:2219:35
Unit193-A POSTROUTING -p tcp --dport 22 -s 192.168.1.1/255.255.255.0 -d 192.168.1.128 -j SNAT --to-source ||MYIP||19:35
canthus13Here's the forwarding as it's configured right now:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/594162/19:36
canthus13hmm...19:39
deejoeyour daemon is listening on 2228 or 2229?19:40
canthus13Yep. well, 2 different machiens are.19:48
Derath-SrvrSo you have 2 ssh servers?19:52
canthus13Derath-Srvr: 3, actually. I've got 2 that I access via FreeNX, and then the server I'm logged into right now.19:53
Derath-SrvrHmmm....19:53
Derath-Srvrmaybe set each one to different ports, the router could be getting confused (if that's done, sorry, at work and mind split 8 diff ways)...19:54
canthus13Hmm.. I just realized.  192.168.1.3 is listening on 2229.. I can tell it to listen at 2228 as well and get in that way. :)19:54
canthus13From that point, I can log into the web interface and fix whatever is going on.19:54
Derath-SrvrAt home, I have one system getting forwarded to, but from that one I can ssh to the others "locally"19:55
Unit193You don't SSH tunnel?19:55
Derath-SrvrI can, to my main server...19:55
Derath-Srvronce I'm in the server, I can go anywhere in the network, router doesn't care about internal...19:56
Derath-Srvrbut also running stock firmware19:56
Unit193Tomato = built-in SSH server (so if one doesn't work, I can always tell why)19:57
canthus13That worked.20:01
Derath-Srvr?20:05
canthus13Changing my main machine to listen on 2228 so I can get in with FreeNX.20:05
BiosElementcanthus13: Mind querying me? Testing a quassel tab notifier thingy >.>20:39
Unit193Hello dmcglone! Did you get the email?21:04
dmcgloneHi Unit193 which one?21:04
Unit193Gilbert sent one out for when to get the room21:05
dmcgloneyeah got that21:06
dmcgloneit was booked, so I thought he booked it21:06
dmcgloneOk the 3rd floor board room is open, I was looking at the auditorium21:09
thafreakcanthus13: you could use ssh port forwarding...and then ssh over the ssh tunnel...i've done that before21:58
thafreakssh -L2222:SOMEINTERNALIP:22 homeaddress21:59
thafreakthat makes a tunnel from the machine you're on's port 2222 to SOMEINTERNALIP's port 2221:59
thafreakOR, you could use ssh's socks proxy22:00
thafreakssh -D9090 homeaddress22:00
thafreakthen set your local browser to use socks 5 proxy on localhost:9090...then you can use your local browser to hit your router's web interface22:00
thafreakI use that quite often too22:01
thafreakand as for the iptables, I believe you need 2 rules for each forward...one to do the dnat, the second to allow the traffic...22:01
thafreaksome times the allow rule is on the forward chain, sometimes it's on the post whatever one (it's been a while since I've manually done iptables)22:02
canthus13thafreak: That's a pain in the ass when you're using FreeNX.22:19
canthus13But I figured out the problem. I was missing one port forward and the other was pointed at the wrong machine.22:19
canthus13You shouldn't comfigure a network when there's a naked woman in the room...22:20
canthus13I think what happened is I applied some of the forwards without saving them, so when I rebooted the router, it forgot some of the forwards.22:21
thafreakyep, definately a pain in the ass...but that's what workarounds usually are :)23:01
BiosElementOne nice thing about being back on kubuntu: No mono. >.>23:29
canthus13*shrug* I don't mind mono.23:29
BiosElementI don't see the point in mono for a total of two bloody apps that are written in C to begin with. >.>23:30
Unit193TileRacer really doesn't feel right...23:32

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