[01:19] Hi all [01:23] herro. [01:23] * canthus13 successfully installed DD-WRT on his E2000. :) [01:23] canthus13: herrrro [01:24] canthus13: wooo :) [01:26] <_bbb> hmm [01:27] <_bbb> my folks need a new router [01:27] <_bbb> seems fried [01:27] <_bbb> wcg200 [01:29] <_bbb> wireless cable gateway [01:33] Woot! [01:33] I mean. [01:33] _bbb: Eww. Combo devices suck. the heat from the wireless chipset and the cable chipset together makes 'em die quickly. I'd recommend getting discrete components. If their ISP supports it, go for an Arris 7xx cable modem. [01:33] Bah [01:34] Bah oot [01:34] <_bbb> yer right ive had two of these die [01:34] * canthus13 can't even keep his router sitting on top of the cable modem because of the heat. [01:34] Keeping them next to each other instead seems to keep 'em plenty cool. [01:35] (Arris 760 if they don't have tel service through the cable co, arris 722 if they do) [01:35] <_bbb> twc cleveland [01:35] I think twc will let you use just about any piece of crap out there. [01:35] DOH i forgot. [01:35] Hello everyone. [01:36] <_bbb> yo [01:36] TheErk: Greetings, applet. ;) [01:36] <_bbb> e2000 eh [01:36] <_bbb> still got the trusty wrt54gl [01:37] _bbb: WRT54GS v3 and WRT54G v6 [01:37] <_bbb> nod nod [01:38] _bbb: Good router 'til it finally dies. :) [01:38] The E2000 is pretty decent so far... now that I don't have the crappy original firmware that was blocking 3/4 of my http requests. [01:39] * canthus13 wonders if he could set up aircrack on the router... :) [01:40] <_bbb> how much was it [01:41] Oh cool. the ports on it are autosense. :) [01:41] _bbb: Wal-mart has 'em on sale for $69.95 right now. [01:41] * canthus13 can free up a port on his switch now. [01:41] <_bbb> not bad $80 on newegg [01:41] <_bbb> a usb port would be nice [01:41] canthus13: How far can you go on that? [01:44] Unit193: Not sure. Haven't tested the range right now. [01:44] _bbb: It would be. Right now, I'm looking to see if I can add one to it. [01:44] <_bbb> e3000 has em but $200 oof [01:44] <_bbb> has one [01:46] _bbb: e3000 is 129 I think.. (Or 179?) [01:46] BiosElement: Where you at? [01:46] <_bbb> somewhere inbetween there yeah [01:47] <_bbb> he is everywhere he is nowhere [01:48] <_bbb> 179 on newegg few bucks cheaper elsewhere [01:48] _bbb: e2000 has gigabit ports, which was my main need. :) [01:49] <_bbb> hmm E2100L [01:50] <_bbb> no gige tho [01:50] 2100L has more RAN. [01:50] ..RAM. [01:50] 64MB as opposed to 32 in the 2000. [01:50] 8 MB of flash in both. [01:50] <_bbb> whats up with valet [01:50] It's the complete idiot's router. [01:51] <_bbb> heh [01:51] It's the Mac of routers. [01:51] <_bbb> i see [01:51] <_bbb> it has one button [01:51] <_bbb> and one light [01:51] not much in the way of user configuration options, but dead easy to set up, from what I understand. [01:51] * canthus13 hasn't put his hands on one yet. [01:53] The one really cool feature is a guest SSID that sandboxes guests from the rest of the network and only allows them access to the internet. [01:53] <_bbb> hmm what about buffalo [01:53] buffalo is nice, but hard to find in stores. [01:53] at least around here. :/ [01:54] <_bbb> surfing newegg [01:54] <_bbb> now i want a nas for myself [01:54] <_bbb> or just an enclosure [02:04] From the one I have used, Belkin is crap [02:04] Belkin is the loss leader router. their only plus is the lifetime warranty. [02:05] other tha that, they drop connection all the time, crash, knock out phone service if you have a phone/data cable modem, and do other nasty things. [02:08] ...and they only let you use a max 3 letter pass (if you enter longer, you get the first 3 letters) that they encode into the login page [02:10] Never noticed that. [02:11] You have to view frame source, not page [02:11] I've never lingered around a belkin long enough to look at the page source. :P [02:12] I couldn't seem to login with the password I set, so I looked at the frame source [02:32] has anyone here ever wondered where they belong in the computer world? [02:33] sure [02:33] did you solve it? [02:34] dmcglone: sure. I joined up with Ubuntu [02:34] dmcglone: now i'm a bit doubtful, so I might move to Debian or Fluxbox [02:34] I'm doing work in both right now [02:34] Paaaaul [02:34] TheErkkkkkkkkk [02:34] TheErk: s'new? [02:34] I went to a PHP meet tonight and man did I feel so underclass [02:35] heh [02:35] dmcglone: that happens no matter what [02:35] Not a thing worth mentioning [02:35] speaking of, I need to finish my 1 KLOC patch [02:35] TheErk: :) [02:37] well after the meet tonight I don't know if I am doubting myself or lying to myself.. LOL [02:38] I was blown away on how far behind I may be :-/ [02:39] bah [02:39] anyone got any knowledge on cloud technology? [02:39] o/ [02:39] I try to learn everything [02:40] we had a 2 hour discussion on CMS's and a lot of it was on the Cloud technology and I was lagging bad in that area [02:41] I met a dude that has a very successful PHP business and doesn't write a lick of PHP [02:42] dmcglone: haha [02:42] where the fuck did I go wrong? [02:42] lol [02:42] :P [02:43] I guess I'll have to step up my game [02:43] aye! :) [02:44] looks like I'll be shopping for more books tomorrow :-/ [02:44] if only the damn university or local college had free classes ;-) [02:45] open source college!! [02:45] ya!! [02:45] there actually was something like that for a while [02:45] no way?? [02:45] and I missed it!! damn! [02:46] heh, it was only OK [02:47] I keep telling myself, all I need to do is set up a plan and stick to it, but I'm just too damn lazy at times. lol [02:47] heh, I hear ya [02:47] I guess thats why college is so expensive. LOL [02:47] aye [02:49] back in the day colleges didn't have much in the "programming" field, so the closest I got was EET and thats what I took and now I freakin regret it [02:51] when do you graduate paultag? [02:52] dmcglone: next monthish? [02:52] it's getting pretty frightning [02:53] I can relate to that :-) I wish you the best on graduation [02:53] thanks, dmcglone!! [02:54] I recall a few months back you were trying for google, how'd that go? [02:54] dmcglone: oh, they figured out I was just a young'n and bailed. No big deal, I was not expecting anything seriously, they canvas the Ubuntu community a lot [02:55] and another thing that pisses me off... [02:55] young or old, dude you got skills! :-) [02:55] the cable company limiting my uploads speed [02:55] dmcglone: thanks, man! :) [02:55] thafreak: yeah man, fuck that [02:55] thafreak: they decided you needed a cap for a while ;-) [02:55] starts out at ~2mbps, then drops slowly to like 50k [02:56] thafreak: That's fucked. [02:56] but why uploads... [02:56] are you sure it's the cable company? have you checked connections etc, etc [02:56] thafreak: We don't limit upload speeds... we do delay bulk data if necessary... Nobody's going to worry if their torrent takes 2 minutes longer in order to ensure VoIP traffic is on time. [02:57] sometimes if the coax cable isn't tight it will effect up/down speeds [02:57] If the coax isn't tight it will affect everything. your SNR and power levels go all over the place, the modem drops connections, the logs fill up with T3 and T4 timeouts... [02:57] 1/4 turn past finger tight is the way it *should* be installed. [02:58] :-) [02:58] (As long as you have decent quality connectors... if you've got the crap ones that crack easily, forget it.) [02:58] but yeah. cracked fittings and blown splitters will also cause that to happen. the speed slows due to retransmits. [02:58] BRB, heading to me house [02:59] check the modem stat page and see if the uncorrectable code words are rising as the speed drops. [02:59] * dmcglone always checks the obvious before losing his mind [03:03] window just went poof! [03:07] * canthus13 is about to throw DD-WRT on his old 300N now. [03:18] dmcglone: At? Half dead :P [03:23] Hrm... Ubuntu Ohio website is down... [03:27] that was fun. [03:27] Took all of 20 minutes to install on the 300N. the e2000 took nearly an hour. === andrew_ is now known as Guest53556 [03:32] #nick andrew [03:33] nick andrew [03:33] /nick [03:33] who do you change nick name [03:34] /nick andrew [03:34] ...and then pick another nick because nickserv will smack you down because someone else already registered andrew [03:34] ok === Guest53556 is now known as gillyman [03:34] Ah, didn't check that... [03:34] :) Not bein' a dick.. but someone else already owns it. [03:34] its ok [03:35] Unit193: Gotta figure every common name is already taken. :) [03:35] thank ypou [03:35] uhhhhhhhh I *SO* hate microsoft's assinine licensing... [03:35] makes me want to punch baby seals [03:35] thafreak: s/'s assinine licensing// [03:35] fixed. [03:35] that's what she said [03:36] thafreak: My wife is a little creeped out by having XP running inside virtualbox on her laptop for a few little apps she needs. Sort of like her machine has been tainted. :) [03:36] so you want to run windows virtually...good f***in luck [03:36] I am dreading the PHP 5.3 release!!! [03:36] you're probably breaking the law doing that sadly [03:36] thafreak: It works, and the USB passthrough allows her webcam to work fine in there with skype. (Linux skype doesn't support conference video calls) [03:37] cause microsoft is assholes [03:37] thafreak: Not with the XP license. :) [03:37] * dmcglone runs windows virtually....(in the back of his mind) [03:37] ;-) [03:37] XP's license came before virtualization was a profit center for htem. [03:37] is it an oem license though? [03:37] yep [03:37] breakin the law...sort of [03:38] Fuck 'em. [03:38] they'd still probably sue you... [03:38] oh I know [03:38] I'd love to [03:38] sue you for what? [03:38] Nah. They might blacklist my certs, but I don't care. [03:38] lol [03:38] I could never get oem licenses to work in a vm, it wouldn't read the actual machine's bios [03:38] with a razer dildo [03:38] Cheri703: really? [03:38] Cheri703: XP went in just fine. [03:38] yeah, tried it on a few dells [03:38] Huh. Hers is an Inspiron 14z. [03:38] well, I was using virtualbox, never tried it with vmware player [03:39] It's running in vbox. [03:39] cheri is andy from panera bread the other day [03:39] weird canthus13 [03:39] XP home, though.. but that shouldn't make a difference, really. [03:39] hey gillyman :) [03:39] I use pro [03:39] I have mine using a proper license [03:39] i was wondering if you can look at my gf computer [03:39] my compaq dual-boot machine on the other hand, it's using an oem :) I heart oem xp pro [03:39] kinda soon [03:39] sure [03:40] Ah. I happened to get a good deal on XP home OEM disks when the place I worked for screwed up and installed it on 64 machines that were intended to be a linux cluster. [03:40] nice [03:40] So it's a legit license. [03:40] shes having problems loading things and getting her anti virus to work [03:40] * Cheri703 has hp/compaq, dell, and gateway oem XP Pro cd's :D [03:40] ok [03:41] I sent you a pm, do you see it? we can discuss in there [03:41] Cheri703: Oh. you mean an OEM's custom CD, not an OEM install CD. [03:41] only legit if you purchased it with a hard drive or memory :) [03:41] oh, maybe [03:41] that's probably the difference [03:41] sorry [03:41] thafreak: I bought it with a motherboard. [03:41] * Cheri703 thinks of those when thinking oem [03:41] ok [03:41] * canthus13 is referring to OEM as in the OEM packs you buy from MS. [03:42] gotcha [03:42] when can we meet???? [03:42] all I want is to run windows for a client to run their crappy ass quickbooks "server" [03:42] gillyman: what operating system is she running? [03:42] thafreak: It's too bad there's nothing comparable in Linux... I can't find any good accounting software. (gnucash doesn't count, it's crap for business use) [03:42] win 7 [03:43] canthus13: Business use, not much. But Skrooge is pretty decent for personal finances. [03:43] kk, I'm fairly available this week, at least at this point. [03:43] BiosElement: Yeah. The biggest problem with converting businesses over to Linux is the lack of good accounting software. Inventory control software comes a close second. :( [03:43] gillyman: try right clicking on my screen name and choosing "open dialog window" or something like that [03:44] canthus13: Stupid question, but wouldn't it make more sense for inventory control stuff to be a web app rather then a stupid installed app? >.> [03:44] the thing is I can't use something "like" quickbooks, I have to set up quick books for them [03:44] they bought like 4 licenses...and they are trying to network them [03:44] BiosElement: Depends. For a small business with only a few PCs to deal with, there's no sense in the added complexity of a web server and apps. [03:44] which in quickbooks land, that means you use a "database" file that's on a windows share [03:45] thafreak: And of course, quickbooks probably doesn't work right in wine. [03:45] canthus13: Just think it'd make a world of more sense. [03:45] haha no [03:45] you can share the database file with samba...but it's not supported like that [03:45] * Unit193 updated the wiki because no one that knew what they were doing would [03:45] Unit193: Eh? [03:45] they want to run some stupid process that locks the file depending on who's accessing it or something [03:46] instead of just relying on an actual database server... [03:46] Oh, their "enterprise" version uses mysql or postgres I think... [03:46] thafreak: Heh. We have a silly app for doing QC calls... that's shared by about 100 people. Running on an access database. [03:46] but that cost an additional $2k [03:46] canthus13: I've never changed any of the wikis [03:46] Unit193: which wiki are you referring to? [03:47] canthus13: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam [03:47] Ah. [03:53] What's the status on the library deal? [03:58] BiosElement: verdict is still out :-/ [03:58] * canthus13 <3 autosense. It saved him from making a stupid crossover cable. [03:58] Bleh [03:59] I still think we should make it a geeknic instead. [04:03] anyone know anything about i3 vs i5 for a laptop? [04:03] does the i3's suck? [04:03] need to order a new laptop for a new dumbass sales person.... [04:04] They're fine. they used to have issues with video in ubuntu, but they're fine now. [04:04] ubuntu, you're funny [04:04] Unless that dumbass salesperson needs heavy duty processing power, it should work just fine. [04:05] I think the sales people I deal with, their head would explode if they saw ubuntu....the would be so confused [04:05] well, they do seem to watch movies and porn on their laptops....except this is a woman i believe...so maybe not so much porn... [04:06] and make "databases" with excel [04:06] thafreak: It should handle porn just fine... maybe not the virus load associated with porn, though. [04:06] Heck, for light-duty stuff like that, a dual-core atom would be fine. [04:06] wow, it's like $250 more for the i5... [04:06] fuck em [04:07] they get an i3 [04:18] Now I need to figure out how to mount an NFS share to the router so I can use it as storage space. 3.5MB is not enough to install the packages I want. :/ [04:19] night all [04:21] Anyone know why VNC won't pass the shift key? [04:22] Do you need Scroll Lock on? [04:22] use the macro in the lready are0 aclient (ir assuming y [04:24] uhg.. the VNC client (most clients) should have under options to hold down keys during a session. [04:39] Hmm. [04:39] * canthus13 pokes through terminal server client's settings again. [04:40] Nothing there.. Of course, it could be buried in a config file somewhere. [04:57] * SkrappJaw is lurking [05:06] SkrappJaw: You can't be lurking if you speak. :P [05:07] *lurk* >::P [05:07] hey SkrappJaw [05:07] * SkrappJaw is being spoke about in the 3rd person. [05:07] Hello Cheri [05:08] angry birds works in wine. [05:08] nice [05:09] i just need to know how to make a launcher for it. [05:25] I do funny things with world of goo... [06:47] anyone still alive? [16:54] Morning Ohio [17:20] Hey Freak [17:26] I'm setting up a windows xp vm... [17:26] The cd's I have...pre-sp2...oh this will be fun [17:27] lol [17:29] Anyone want to guess how many times I can install ubuntu in the time it takes to get sp2 installed :) [17:29] Hell, I'll even install 6.06 just to be fair :) [17:35] lol [18:02] I have a 6.10 disk upstairs if you want it ;) [18:32] thafreak: Worked fine with my XPSP1 CD. [18:43] bah. Why is my router suddenly refusing to allow freenx through? It pretends to. [18:55] bah. [18:56] zzzzzzzzzzzz [19:13] anyone around here good with iptables? [19:14] Wish I was... been trying to get that as a lug topic for quite a while [19:21] Heh. My router is being an ass and refusing to forward a port to a machine that needs it. [19:24] * Derath-Srvr smirks [19:25] openwrt? or stock? [19:25] also is the firewall enabled on the receiving machine? [19:30] DD-WRT. [19:30] I have iptables that Tomato configured for me [19:32] it's not forwarding ssh through port 2228 or 2229. 2228 seems to be properly configured in iptables, but the router is refusing to forward. 2229 is missing completely. :/ port 22 is forwarded properly, but I don't have a gui on that machine, and thus can't use chrome to log into the router (other browsers don't seem to like the config page) [19:32] THe worst part is this all worked fine yesterday. [19:33] can you change the rule for 22 to 2228 and copy it for 2229? [19:35] -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d ||MYIP|| --dport ||OUTSIDEPORT|| -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.128:22 [19:35] -A POSTROUTING -p tcp --dport 22 -s 192.168.1.1/255.255.255.0 -d 192.168.1.128 -j SNAT --to-source ||MYIP|| [19:36] Here's the forwarding as it's configured right now: http://paste.ubuntu.com/594162/ [19:39] hmm... [19:40] your daemon is listening on 2228 or 2229? [19:48] Yep. well, 2 different machiens are. [19:52] So you have 2 ssh servers? [19:53] Derath-Srvr: 3, actually. I've got 2 that I access via FreeNX, and then the server I'm logged into right now. [19:53] Hmmm.... [19:54] maybe set each one to different ports, the router could be getting confused (if that's done, sorry, at work and mind split 8 diff ways)... [19:54] Hmm.. I just realized. 192.168.1.3 is listening on 2229.. I can tell it to listen at 2228 as well and get in that way. :) [19:54] From that point, I can log into the web interface and fix whatever is going on. [19:55] At home, I have one system getting forwarded to, but from that one I can ssh to the others "locally" [19:55] You don't SSH tunnel? [19:55] I can, to my main server... [19:56] once I'm in the server, I can go anywhere in the network, router doesn't care about internal... [19:56] but also running stock firmware [19:57] Tomato = built-in SSH server (so if one doesn't work, I can always tell why) [20:01] That worked. [20:05] ? [20:05] Changing my main machine to listen on 2228 so I can get in with FreeNX. [20:39] canthus13: Mind querying me? Testing a quassel tab notifier thingy >.> [21:04] Hello dmcglone! Did you get the email? [21:04] Hi Unit193 which one? [21:05] Gilbert sent one out for when to get the room [21:06] yeah got that [21:06] it was booked, so I thought he booked it [21:09] Ok the 3rd floor board room is open, I was looking at the auditorium [21:58] canthus13: you could use ssh port forwarding...and then ssh over the ssh tunnel...i've done that before [21:59] ssh -L2222:SOMEINTERNALIP:22 homeaddress [21:59] that makes a tunnel from the machine you're on's port 2222 to SOMEINTERNALIP's port 22 [22:00] OR, you could use ssh's socks proxy [22:00] ssh -D9090 homeaddress [22:00] then set your local browser to use socks 5 proxy on localhost:9090...then you can use your local browser to hit your router's web interface [22:01] I use that quite often too [22:01] and as for the iptables, I believe you need 2 rules for each forward...one to do the dnat, the second to allow the traffic... [22:02] some times the allow rule is on the forward chain, sometimes it's on the post whatever one (it's been a while since I've manually done iptables) [22:19] thafreak: That's a pain in the ass when you're using FreeNX. [22:19] But I figured out the problem. I was missing one port forward and the other was pointed at the wrong machine. [22:20] You shouldn't comfigure a network when there's a naked woman in the room... [22:21] I think what happened is I applied some of the forwards without saving them, so when I rebooted the router, it forgot some of the forwards. [23:01] yep, definately a pain in the ass...but that's what workarounds usually are :) [23:29] One nice thing about being back on kubuntu: No mono. >.> [23:29] *shrug* I don't mind mono. [23:30] I don't see the point in mono for a total of two bloody apps that are written in C to begin with. >.> [23:32] TileRacer really doesn't feel right...