[00:05] <drc> hmmm...I have resized Thunar, XChat and FF windows (for example) so that 4 fit perfectly on the desktop. If I have an empty desktop and open 4 Thunar (or detach the xchat channels) the first 2 open in upper left, then upper right and fit perfectly.  But when I open number 3 and 4 (lower left and lower right, respectively) they are offset a few pixels from the bottom edge of the desktop. I have tried almost every concievable variation in Window Manager>Advance
[00:05] <drc> d>Windows Snapping, but it makes no difference. In the following screenshot I have manually moved the bottom right window to what I want to be the correct position. Are there any configuration settings that I am missing to make this happen as I want?  http://img822.imageshack.us/i/screenshot0413201105530.png
[00:06] <charlie-tca> Got to workspaces in settings, make sure the bottom margin is zero
[00:07] <charlie-tca> or even try -10
[00:07] <charlie-tca> That will move the windows down
[00:07] <charlie-tca> At least that is a starting poinbt
[00:08] <drc> charlie-tca: It is 0 (all margins are 0) and won't let me go to minus numbers.
[00:09] <charlie-tca> improvements for 4.8
[00:09] <charlie-tca> used to let me have - numbers
[00:09] <drc> I have no bottom panel, if that matters
[00:10] <charlie-tca> but your bottom window overlaps the top window a few pixels
[00:10] <drc> yes
[00:11] <drc> The top of the bottom overlaps the bottom of the top :)
[00:12] <charlie-tca> I am out of answers
[00:12] <charlie-tca> shrink the windows a touch
[00:13] <drc> I <think I tried that, but I'll make sure.
[00:16] <drc> Right, shrinking the verticle size of the windows makes the overlap go away, but it doesn't make the window align with the bottom edge of the desktop.
[00:16] <drc> hmm, let me try something
[00:16] <charlie-tca> Not sure it will align all the way to the bottom
[00:17] <charlie-tca> If it keeps overlapping, go to Window Manager, Advanced, use snap to other windows, and make the distance bigger
[00:18] <charlie-tca> I snap to screen borders, which makes it try to hit the edge of the screen before it tries to hit next to other windows. a small distance helps keep it close to the screen edge
[00:29] <drc> Oh well...that's what I get for trying to be too precise.
[00:29] <drc> That's 3 :)  Off to another distro...just kidding (although you're probably get tired of my little nitpickings in a beta version)
[00:31] <charlie-tca> they might be in final too, can't fix everything
[00:31] <charlie-tca> but won't try to fix what we do not notice
[00:33] <drc> Well, I'm guessing they will be, this close to release.  Besides, at least 2 of the 3 are most probably xfce not xubuntu
[00:33] <drc> And they <are> small things, not like they crash the system
[00:36] <drc> The team should be happy that someone has look <that> close to find something to ask about.
[00:37] <drc> Seriously good work done by all.
[00:37] <charlie-tca> Well, okey dokey, I will try to be happy :-)
[00:37] <drc> And now <I> get to eat before the dog, tonight.
[08:54] <kaevik> I just installed xubuntu and the password I used isn't accepted by the authenticator. So what does it want?
[08:58] <TheSheep> the authenticator?
[08:58] <TheSheep> what are you doing exactly?
[09:00] <kaevik> for updating or hanging settings. It also didn't work when I try to relog. It will only auto login.
[09:00] <kaevik> changing*
[09:01] <TheSheep> kaevik: that's your default user created during installation?
[09:02] <kaevik> the user it asked me to make during the gui install
[09:03] <Sysi> wrong passwd, typo maybe
[09:04] <kaevik> nope, I was thinking that the keyboard layout from the install environment is different from the one being used in the os.
[09:05] <kaevik> this is a laptop.
[09:11] <kaevik> so if somehow I typed and retyped a password different then I thought I was typing. I have to reinstall to fix it?
[09:18] <ochosi> kaevik: you can try to set the keyboard-layout to US (i think that's default in the live-system) and try to retype your pwd
[09:19] <ochosi> other than that there's not so much you can do, losing your root-pwd is hardly ever a good idea ;)
[09:19] <ochosi> (not much apart from re-installing of course)
[09:22] <kaevik> under settings?
[09:24] <quup> kaevik: hehe i get that too, I have different layout on the laptop keyboard and my USB keyboard now, really cunfesed me when I tried to log in
[09:25] <quup> kaevik: when the login manager shows, therer is an option to change keyboard layout furthest down on the screen after you have entered your username
[09:25] <quup> kaevik: then change to something without deadkeys at least that was the problem for me
[09:26] <kaevik> well I got into the settings keyboard layout  and changed the keyboard to Acer Laptop still not working
[09:26] <kaevik> the layout is set to us also
[09:26] <quup> did you change the keyboard layout too?
[09:26] <quup> which US? there are very many
[09:34] <kaevik> under USA there was an alt-intl
[09:35] <kaevik> so it didn't work on the default us or the alt-intl
[09:37] <kaevik> and a password problem was the reason I had to 'fix' the laptop in the first place.
[09:38] <kaevik> I hat win 2k but the admin password wasn't anything I ever remember setting. SO I went to reinstall and the disk was borked. So I went for this and it is having the same problem basicly.
[09:39] <kaevik> had*
[09:39] <ochosi> kaevik: maybe be more careful settings passwords then ;)
[09:42] <kaevik> I don't see how I could type a password the sme twice and this password I've used before, but type it both times  different. hmm unless the caps lock monster  attacked.
[09:49] <kaevik> GAY CAS LOCK
[09:49] <kaevik> oop heh
[09:49] <knome> kaevik, please watch your language
[09:49] <kaevik> thats what it was >_>
[09:50] <kaevik> caps lock was on before I set the password was in reverse caps ><
[09:51] <kaevik> er I merged two sentences
[11:22] <Rodensky> hello. xfce won't start, i get a cli instead. how do i start xfce from the cli?
[11:24] <Rodensky> i googles it and got no answer. all i found were commands to install it, not to start it from the cli
[11:24] <Sysi> why you don't have GDM
[11:25] <Rodensky> i do
[11:25] <Sysi> then problem isn't xfce but xorg
[11:25] <Sysi> what graphics card?
[11:25] <Rodensky> ati, i don't know the model
[11:27] <Rodensky> when i try startx it says "server is already active for display 0"
[11:27] <Rodensky> and won't start :(
[11:29] <Rodensky> when i try "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart it goves me my  old uninstalled gnome walpaper but nothing else appears
[11:29] <Rodensky> not even the mouse cursor. only the wallpaper
[11:30] <Rodensky> the only thing that works in the combo ctrl+alt+f2 that brings me back to the cli
[11:32] <Rodensky> how do i make xfce appear again? :
[11:44] <Rodensky> when i try "xfce4-session" i get "Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:"
[11:47] <Rodensky> i googles it and tries all commands i could find to start xfce. in all cases i get "server is already active for display 0"
[11:48] <Sysi> xfce can't work if xserver itself fails
[11:49] <Rodensky> ok i got that from the system notices, but what do i do with that? how do i make x work and start xfce again?
[12:00] <Rodensky> please help me
[12:00] <Sysi> did it work before?
[12:00] <Rodensky> did what work before?
[12:00] <Sysi> graphics
[12:01] <Rodensky> yes
[12:01] <Sysi> have you rebooted?
[12:01] <Rodensky> yes
[12:02] <Rodensky> when i reboot, it's automaticaly gets into the gnome wallpaper thing i mentioned before :\
[12:02] <Sysi> sounds like it's trying to go to deleted gnome, or gdm fails
[12:02] <Sysi> hard to say, and i personally don't know about ati much
[12:02] <Rodensky> it is trying to go to the deleted gnome for some reason
[12:03] <Sysi> but then there should still be even mouse cursor
[12:03] <Rodensky> ther'e no cursor, no nothing, just the wallpaper
[12:04] <Rodensky> and the ctrl+alt+f2 that gets me back to the useless cli
[12:14] <psalden> heya folks... wanted to say my experiment of running xubuntu natty with gnome3 in parallel worked out great. Gnome3 isn't looking very well yet, but at least the xfce sessions seems perfectly intact
[12:14] <psalden> one thing though... I had automatic login before installing gnome 3, and now it takes me to what appears to be a gnome3-styled login screen first
[12:14] <psalden> any way of reverting that?
[12:18] <psalden> ah there's a graphical tool for that, cool
[12:18] <psalden> guess we'll just ignore the fact that the login screen is gnome3 styled :)
[12:53] <psalden> hmm, am I not supposed to have an 'alpha' setting when setting panel appearance? Just upgrades to natty but don't see it
[12:57] <Sysi> you need compositing enabled
[13:00] <psalden> thanks, I'll look into it :)
[13:03] <psalden> interesting how my settings menu changed upon reboot, lol
[13:19] <quup> I have disabled 'automatically save session' but still it opens up the stuff I had before exiting, is there anotehr hidden option for this?
[13:19] <Sysi> rm -rf ~/.cache/sessions/
[13:20] <quup> :)
[13:20] <quup> thanks
[13:54] <abra> hi all
[13:55] <abra> Doesn't display icons in notification area for apps "hotot", "network-manager" and "f.lux". http://itmages.ru/image/view/167666/f9400521
[13:57] <abra> Is anybody know about this problem?
[14:21] <shane4ubuntu> Ok, I'm giving xubuntu a try for a while, did my kde time for a few months, now it's xfce's time, how can I setup a wallpaper changer?  I noticed I can do a list, however, the backgrounds have to be added one at a time?  Is there a quick way to do this?
[14:22] <Sysi> select multiple wallpapers by clicking with shift or ctrl?
[14:23] <shane4ubuntu> Sysi: when I did that, it didn't want to accept them
[14:23] <shane4ubuntu> Sysi: Oooh, wait I stand corrected, that worked this time
[14:25] <shane4ubuntu> ok, I read online about a crontab to make that change, is that still the way to do it?  I don't mind setting that up, but if there is an easier way by all means let me know. :)
[14:27] <shane4ubuntu> here is the link I am referencing: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=328792
[14:27] <shane4ubuntu> ok, that doesn't seem to work, I ran that line in the commandline, and it didn't work. :(
[14:27] <shane4ubuntu> brb
[14:41] <shane4ubuntu> no background changer? like every 10min change the background?  KDE does this by default, Gnome needs a 3rd party app  there must be a way
[14:43] <shane4ubuntu> ok, how about compiz for xfce?  sorry I'm a complete noob when it comes to xfce
[14:43] <shane4ubuntu> !compiz
[14:44] <Sysi> install and run
[14:45] <shane4ubuntu> I have it installed, I guess I should more correctly ask, how do I enable it in xfce?
[14:45] <Sysi> it doesn't work with xfwm4 but gtk-window-decorator or emerald works
[14:45] <Sysi> compiz --replace
[14:45] <shane4ubuntu> ahh, ok, so I need to install emerald?
[14:45] <Sysi> you should install compizconfig-settings-manager too
[14:45] <shane4ubuntu> that I have
[14:45] <Sysi> i'd recommend it
[14:46] <shane4ubuntu> you recommend emerald? or gtk-window-decorator?
[15:18] <drc> Are the Xubuntu Mail lists "dead", as in no traffic?
[15:19] <knome> no
[15:19] <drc> hmmm
[15:19] <drc> Time to do some checking then
[15:20] <knome> well they are not the most active either, but definitely not dead. seen better days...
[15:22] <charlie-tca> They have? It seems they are as active/inactive as they have been for three years
[15:23] <knome> i don't know about the users list, but the devel list has been more active for sure
[15:23] <drc> OK, I sub'd to -users, -devel, and -bugs a couple of days ago and have received <nothing>.  Just to make sure, I had 2 go to my regular mail server and 1 to gmail...but nothing on either
[15:23] <drc> OK, looks like at my end...Now, where did I put that shovel?
[15:24] <charlie-tca> drc: -bugs being ? xubuntu-bugs? that is a dead ML
[15:25] <charlie-tca> If you want bug dicussions, you subscibe to ubuntu-bugsquad
[15:45] <drc> If -bugs is dead, maybe someone should take it off the Bugs List on https://lists.ubuntu.com/
[15:47] <charlie-tca> A look at the archives says there have been no posting to the ML
[15:47] <charlie-tca> It is at least a very low content list ;-)
[15:47] <drc> true dat
[17:17] <Nevada_> hello, I've got just a quick question because I didn't find an answer - is it possible to boot&install xubuntu from USB stick?
[17:18] <drc> clear
[17:19] <Nevada_> clear?
[17:20] <knome> Nevada_, yes it is
[17:20] <Nevada_> merci knome
[17:35] <siavashserver> Hi, I'm trying to collect information about Linux gamers hardware specs, if you are interested please take a look at this poll : http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/521555
[18:44] <drc> Interesting (redux)...Installed alacarte thru the SC, added a few items to the settings menu (Broadcast Account, Broadcast Preferences, Power Management, Ubuntu One, at least).
[18:48] <Spicypixel> hey guys, I dist upgraded to 11.04 to try out the beta and the notifyd style changed, is this normal behaviour?
[21:55] <Thermi> gn8
[21:55] <ochosi> Thermi: good neight? :)
[21:59] <philippe> Hi
[22:13] <surreal7z> hi guys... I am using Google Chrome and Youtube videos freezes on fullscreen?... I found that disabling hardware acceleration can help but not in my case... what to do?
[22:14] <surreal7z> s/*
[22:17] <keb> does it also freeze with firefox and adobe flash plugin ?
[22:17] <keb> fullscreen
[22:18] <surreal7z> just a sec
[22:19] <surreal7z> don't have ff but Opera is working just fine
[22:19] <keb> chrome has a built-in flash player.  did you get the latest one?
[22:20] <keb> i mean is chrome up to date
[22:20] <surreal7z> 10.0.648.204   it is.... i'm not using beta/ chromium... would that help?
[22:21] <keb> maybe
[22:21] <keb> just trying to run through possibilities
[22:23] <keb> surreal7z which version of xubuntu are you running? some video drivers had known bugs
[22:24] <charlie-tca> That is bug in chrome, not Xubuntu
[22:24] <charlie-tca> It occurs with lubuntu, kubuntu, and Ubuntu also
[22:25] <keb> then the beta might work
[22:25] <charlie-tca> and the only workaround I know is to use firefox or something other than chrome
[22:32] <surreal7z> didn't work... beta has the same Flash plugin version  Flash (2 files) - Version: 10.2.154
[22:32] <surreal7z> Shockwave Flash 10.2 r154
[22:32] <surreal7z> too bad... Opera will do the trick
[22:33] <keb> which Flash does that come with?
[22:36] <surreal7z> r153
[22:37] <surreal7z> one lower :S
[22:37] <keb> heh
[22:37] <surreal7z> 10.2 r153   :D   can I downgrade flash in chrome? :D
[22:38] <keb> you could try overwriting the files and see what happens ;)
[22:39] <keb> but keep the other ones in case you need to roll back
[22:47] <surreal7z> I have set the same flash player version that Opera uses but problem persists... so, it's still google chrome problem :(
[22:53] <keb> did you restart Chrome after that, maybe it was still loaded and using the old version
[23:31] <faryshta> Thunar doesn't load thumbnails. What do?
[23:32] <Sysi> install tumbler
[23:33] <faryshta> Sysi, I can't find it on synaptic.
[23:33] <Sysi> what xfce version on what distribution?
[23:33] <faryshta> Ubuntu 10.10, latest repo XFCE version.
[23:33] <Sysi> argh, i mixed this with #xfce
[23:34] <Sysi> so no 4.8 ppa?
[23:34] <Sysi> thunar has tap in settings for showing thumbnails
[23:35] <faryshta> It loads thumbnails on images but not on videos.
[23:36] <Sysi> propably as supposed, i don't know if it's possible to get thumbnails for videos
[23:37] <faryshta> It used to do so in Ubuntu 9.10.
[23:39] <Sysi> different thunar version propably
[23:41] <keb> Ubuntu uses aNautilus. Xubuntu uses Thunar
[23:41] <keb> -a
[23:42] <faryshta> aNautilus?
[23:42] <keb> Nautilus
[23:43] <Sysi> one file manager
[23:45] <keb> http://library.gnome.org/users/user-guide/stable/gosnautilus-60.html.en
[23:48] <faryshta> Well I know what they are but none of them loads thumbnails on videos.
[23:48] <keb> it might for some videos, the ones that store a preview thumbnail in the movie file
[23:48] <keb> otherwise it is a lot of code to extract a snapshot from a video
[23:51] <faryshta> I can't see any thumbnail at all.
[23:52] <charlie-tca> I didn't think xfce could display video thumbnails
[23:53] <charlie-tca> or rather, thumbnails of videos
[23:54] <keb> i see only thumbnails of pdf files
[23:54] <keb> and jpegs
[23:54] <charlie-tca> yup
[23:54] <faryshta> I found the solution here. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2596537#post2596537
[23:55] <faryshta> I had to install libxine1-ffmpeg, nautilus and totem.