[00:08] <yofel> shadeslayer: remember if there's a KDE bug for lp 760632 ?
[03:38] <c2tarun> ktorrent is crashing on configuring shutdown. is anyone else facing this problem?
[07:22] <c2tarun> can we upgrade from 32bit kubuntu 10.10 to 64bit kubuntu 11.04?
[07:31] <ulysses> nope, you have to reinstall
[07:48] <bambee> morning
[07:49] <bambee> what about kchart for koffice-2.3 ? see bug bug 761380 (reproducible on natty too)
[08:01] <bambee> it was accidently dropped, I think ... the kchart package is still present in debian/control but no debian/kchart.install found ...  (I can be wrong)
[08:04] <bambee> in fact I've no ideas...
[08:28] <markey_nokia> heya
[08:29] <markey_nokia> anyone know how to get a newer version than Qt 4.7.0 for Maverick?
[08:29] <markey_nokia> latest stable is Qt 4.7.2
[09:41] <dpm> hi Riddell, good morning. I'm trying to see that KDE templates are in shape for Natty in LP. We went through some of them at the rally, but there are still a bunch that need to be approved. Could you give me a hand and tell me which ones can be approved straight away (i.e. new modules) and which ones might require more investigation (i.e. moved to another source package)? -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/594394/
[10:43] <jussi> for anyone thats interested, meego runs well on netbooks (I have it running off a usb stick here)
[10:43] <Riddell> dpm: yes will do (sorry being a bit slow this morning)
[10:43] <dpm> Riddell, no worries, thanks!
[10:43] <Riddell> jussi: wasn't the meego netbook stuff out a year ago?
[10:44] <jussi> Riddell: yes, was *out*, but it now *works* :D
[10:45] <jussi> Im looking forward to seeing the gtk free 1.2 version
[10:46] <Riddell> they're redoing the netbook UI?
[10:49] <valorie> jussi, what is the advantage of meego on a netbook?
[10:49] <valorie> over Kub, I mean
[10:50] <jussi> Pasi Nieminen said a few months ago: All MeeGo activies are now converging nicely towards Qt (MeeGo 1.2, is now dropping GTK+ / Clutter)
[10:50] <valorie> so basically, nice WIP
[10:50] <valorie> ?
[10:51] <valorie> I'm thinking I will stick with Kub. Natty on my netbook
[10:51] <jussi> valorie: meego is more a smartphone/tablet style OS, similar to android, but you can enjoy it on the netbook also
[10:51] <valorie> my netbook isn't touch screen
[10:51] <valorie> so that probably wouldn't be an advantage
[10:52] <valorie> my android phone is still kicking my ass
[10:52] <jussi> valorie: you can run it from usb, so you could give it a try ;)
[10:52] <valorie> or actually, my brain
[10:52] <valorie> lol
[10:52] <jussi> Pasi also said: The arguments about MeeGo being not mature are not true, these things are all over already. All pieces are in place, and the integrated next release of MeeGo 1.2. will give very solid basis for the products now.
[10:52] <valorie> that's true!
[10:52] <jussi> you can see his blog (~2 months old) here: http://cannedbypasi.blogspot.com/
[10:52] <valorie> i want to make a multi-boot usb key
[10:53] <Tm_T> a bit offtopic, but, Nokia <3 http://www.flickr.com/photos/timojyrinki/5621490336/in/photostream
[10:56] <valorie> gads, why' do' people' do' that'?
[10:56] <valorie> lol
[10:57] <dpm> morning apachelogger, I'm about to write the blog post about the UADW upcoming sessions - do you want me to put anything in particular as the description of your Phonon one?
[10:57] <apachelogger> hm
[10:57] <apachelogger> suppose so
[10:58] <jussi> apachelogger: rocks phonon, com join his fanclub <- description done :P
[10:58] <apachelogger> ack
[11:06] <apachelogger> dpm: The lead developer of the Qt/KDE multimedia library Phonon will tell you about the awesomeness that is Phonon and how it achieves ultimate protability so that it even is running on vending machines, how to create a video player with 3 lines of code (or in 30 seconds without any code) and much more.
[11:07] <apachelogger> any complexity in that sentence is a result of permanent brain demage from graphics filter implementations :P
[11:08] <jussi> dpm: remember to include that last line :P
[11:08] <apachelogger> right :P
[11:15] <dpm> apachelogger, awesome, thanks! (still considering whether I should add the last line)
[11:17] <apachelogger>     merge(millenniumFalcon, 2, princesLeia);
[11:17] <apachelogger>     dft(princesLeia, princesLeia, DFT_COMPLEX_OUTPUT);
[11:17] <apachelogger>     mulSpectrums(hanSolo, princesLeia, hanSolo, DFT_COMPLEX_OUTPUT)
[11:17] <apachelogger> all I need to say :P
[11:35] <apachelogger> there is a guy sitting next to me who now changed his chair the 5th time in like an hour :O
[12:23] <Riddell> dpm: what's the mailing list for launchpad translators again?
[12:25] <dpm> Riddell, for Launchpad Translators it's launchpad-translators (at) lists (dot) launchpad (dot) net, for Ubuntu Translators it's ubuntu-translators (at) lists (dot) ubuntu (dot) com 
[12:30] <Riddell> incoming for ubuntu-translators then
[12:34] <dpm> Riddell, hm I cannot see anything on the moderation queue yet, will wait for some minutes...
[12:52] <Riddell> dpm: kdeartwork kscreensaver/kxsconfig/hacks.pot   should be blocked (it gets used in generating kxsconfig.pot)
[12:52] <Riddell> dpm: kdevelop po/kdevokteta.pot should not be blocked, it's a normal .pot file
[12:52] <Riddell> the rest are fine to approve
[12:53] <Riddell> filelight used to be standalone so there might be something to copy over there
[12:53] <Riddell> kdesdk okteta used to be part of kdeutils so there too there might be something to copy over
[12:58] <rbelem> hi Riddell 
[12:58] <Riddell> hi rbelem 
[12:59] <rbelem> Riddell, we need to create a script to run in oem post install
[13:00] <rbelem> Riddell, where should we put it?
[13:00] <Riddell> I'm not entirely sure I understand that, what does oem have to do with anything?
[13:01] <markey_nokia> Riddell: hey, do you know where to get Qt 4.7.2 for Maverick?
[13:01] <rbelem> Riddell, we need to run a script to set the configuration in /etc/default/nodm in the first boot of kubuntu-mobile
[13:02] <Riddell> rbelem: oh to a different user?
[13:02] <rbelem> Riddell, yup
[13:03] <Riddell> rbelem: but what does oem have to do with it?
[13:03] <Riddell> markey_nokia: I don't think there are any such packages
[13:03] <markey_nokia> oh, hum
[13:03] <rbelem> Riddell, in the first boot oem-config runs
[13:04] <Riddell> rbelem: do you know why oem-config runs?
[13:05] <rbelem> Riddell, no idea... i discovered that it was running after installation testing the betas images
[13:06] <rbelem> *when
[13:07] <Riddell> rbelem: what installer does it use?
[13:08] <rbelem> Riddell, it uses ubiquity
[13:09] <Riddell> rbelem: what image did you test and what hardware did you install it onto?
[13:10] <rbelem> Riddell, i tested the i386 image, i had to run manually ubiquity
[13:10] <Riddell>    * Added plasma-widgets-workspace to mobile
[13:10] <Riddell> rbelem: kubuntu-mobile-meta just uploaded ^^
[13:11] <Riddell> rbelem: and it ran oem-config after the reboot?
[13:11] <rbelem> Riddell, this package adds some missing widgets.
[13:11] <rbelem> Riddell, yup
[13:11] <Riddell> rbelem: did you have to run oem-config-prepare?
[13:12] <rbelem> Riddell, GrueMaster reported that oem-config runs in the first boot on omap images too
[13:12] <rbelem> Riddell, nope
[13:14] <Riddell> hmm, well I'm not too bothered about kubuntu mobile actually being installable, it's enough to me that it runs and can be previewed
[13:14] <Riddell> but ev would be the guy to talk to about how to get oem-config to run a script
[13:16] <rbelem> Riddell, i just talk to cjwatson we he said where the script must be installed
[13:17] <rbelem> Riddell, where should i put this script?
[13:17] <rbelem> which package?
[13:17] <rbelem> i mean
[13:17] <rbelem> kubuntu-mobile-default-settings?
[13:19] <Riddell> rbelem: where should it be installed?
[13:24] <Riddell> but yes if it's just putting a script into a directory then kubuntu-mobile-default-settings would do
[13:41] <rbelem> Riddell, /usr/lib/oem-config/post-install/
[13:59] <dpm> Riddell, apachelogger: while accepting templates I've noticed a conflict: po/phonon_gstreamer.pot in 'phonon-backend-gstreamer' <- used to be in 'phonon', has it moved?
[13:59] <apachelogger> :O
[13:59]  * apachelogger moves out to whip developers
[14:00] <apachelogger> they are hiding well
[14:00] <apachelogger> dpm: yes and no
[14:00] <apachelogger> not with approval of kde l10n anyway
[14:01] <dpm> apachelogger, not quite sure I follow. What should I do with the templates in LP? Which is the correct srcpkg/template combination?
[14:02]  * apachelogger does not know
[14:02] <apachelogger> dpm: I'll have to talk to some people
[14:03] <apachelogger> dpm: generally speaking though the one from phonon-backend-gstreamer is more up-to-date hence I suppose we want that one
[14:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: is phonon-backend-gstreamer 4.5.0 worth the risk of a post-beta update?
[14:05] <dpm> apachelogger, ok, thanks. I think I'll go for that: move phonon/phonon_gstreamer.pot to phonon-backend-gstreamer/phonon_gstreamer.pot, so that at least one can be exported in langpacks and people get the translations
[14:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes
[14:05] <apachelogger> mosdef
[14:17] <dpm> Riddell, apachelogger, we've got the same situation with the phonon-backend-xine templates. There are duplicate templates in phonon, and I'll just move them to phonon-backend-xine
[14:17] <apachelogger> :O
[14:17] <apachelogger> ok
[14:17] <apachelogger> this is no upstream issue
[14:17] <apachelogger> someone must have messed with my suprerior magic scripts for translation extraction stuff
[14:49] <bambee> what about kchart-2.3 btw ?
[14:51] <Riddell> bambee: I've not heard of that, is it getting a release separate from koffice?
[14:51] <bambee> Riddell: I am talking about bug 761380 :)
[14:52] <yofel> was just looking at that too
[14:52] <bambee> the kchart package installs nothing except copyright and README => for maverick and natty
[14:52] <dpm> Riddell, I'm nearly done accepting the templates, but I've got another conflict: po/plasma_applet_newspaper.pot in kdebase-runtime <-- This one moved from kdebase-workspace, is that correct
[14:53] <Riddell> dpm: checking..
[14:53] <yofel> bambee: I can at least confirm that, just getting the source
[14:53] <Riddell> yofel, bambee: quite possibly it's been removed by upstream
[14:54] <bambee> Riddell: no for koffice-2.3, I have checked the source this morning and libkchartcommon should be built and installed
[14:54] <Riddell> dpm: yes that has moved from kdebase-workspace to kdebase-runtime
[14:54] <yofel> didn't find a changelog entry about us editing the install file though
[14:55] <bambee> (however the kpart is not built anymore)
[14:55] <dpm> Riddell, cool, thanks
[14:55] <bambee> yofel: mee too
[14:55] <yofel> uh... there isn't even an install file anymore, only a control file entry, so it'll obviously be empty
[14:56] <bambee> yofel: I am not the best one to check CMakeLists.txt, could you confirm that libkchartcommon is installed ?
[14:57]  * yofel looks at the build log...
[14:57] <bambee> good idea...
[14:57] <bambee> o_O
[14:59] <yofel> bambee: the only kchart related file that's actually installed for maverick at least is:
[14:59] <yofel> -- Installing: /build/buildd/koffice-2.3.1/debian/tmp/usr/share/kde4/services/ServiceMenus/kchart_konqi.desktop
[15:00] <yofel> I'll take a look a the natty log too
[15:00] <bambee> strange o_O
[15:01] <yofel> same for natty, so we probably should disable the package in the control file too if there's nothing to install
[15:02] <ScottK> debfx: Any chance you could work on fixing the grub boot color for us today?  Looks like it's possible now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/696915/comments/4
[15:04] <yofel> and most of kchart has been disabled by upstream it seems
[15:05] <bambee> yofel: nothing depends on kchart ?
[15:06] <yofel> only koffice and koffice-dev from the packages side, which can be dropped
[15:07] <bambee> ok
[15:08] <yofel> aah, the 2.2.80 changelog has something:
[15:08] <yofel> * Not including KChart application but rather the chart shape plugin.
[15:08] <yofel> so I guess kchart was dropped there
[15:12] <Riddell> that's what I said, you didn't believe me :)
[15:12] <yofel> :P
[15:16] <bambee> Riddell: Indeed, you're right :P
[15:19] <debfx> ScottK: i'll have a look at it, though sometimes I wonder why we even have such things as ff and user interface freeze ;)
[15:21] <ScottK> debfx: True.  I think we're doing a bit better than we used to.  The main reason for U/I freeze is so docs people don't have to redo screen shots all the time.  Not likely to be one of those for a grub boot change.
[15:21] <ScottK> We're certainly doing much better about it than Ubuntu this cycle.
[15:25] <Riddell> we don't even have docs so who cares about UI freeze
[15:25]  * Riddell nudges DarkwingDuck 
[15:25] <ScottK> That too.
[15:27] <shadeslayer> yofel: nope
[15:28] <shadeslayer> not that i know of
[15:28] <yofel> k, jonathan reassigned that to X anyway
[15:28] <shadeslayer> alright, it's a very critical bug imo
[15:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: can I get rid of kubuntu_01_fix_codec_installation_crash.diff in phonon-backend-gstreamer
[15:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: it seems to be upstream now but I'm not quite sure
[15:29] <debfx> also I wonder if there will ever be a stable release of the plasma networkmanagement widget
[15:29] <debfx> or at least a bugfix-only branch
[15:30] <ScottK> It is working better these days.
[15:31] <debfx> yes, if you are lucky and download a snapshot at the right time
[15:31] <ScottK> Hopefully we did that this cycle.
[15:31] <Riddell> upstream network manager is a moving target so there's not much point in a stable release of it
[15:31] <dpm> Riddell, ok, all kde templates approved, Kubuntu should be in good shape translationswise now, but it would be great to get some user testing after the next natty langpack
[15:31] <shadeslayer> well.. it works for my WPA network and tethers to my phone 
[15:31] <Riddell> network manager 0.9 is something to look out for next cycle
[15:32] <ScottK> debfx: Another thing you might be able to look into is it seems that brightness management has changed in 4.6.  I'm seeing the brightness level pop-up even for automatic brightness changes now.  That seems wrong to me.
[15:32] <Riddell> dpm: I did testing for beta 2 and didn't notice any big problems, but then I'm an English speaker so I won't be the best tester
[15:32] <yofel> well, nm works fine here, except with my mobile phone, but that's a modem-manager issue it seems
[15:33] <shadeslayer> yofel: what's the problem there? i mean all i have to do is enable tethering on my phone and everything just works
[15:34] <yofel> shadeslayer: for me modem-manager tries to open /dev/A<something> and  a few seconds later closes it again saying it couldn't open the modem. Wvdial works fine
[15:34] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[15:34] <yofel> that's with my n900 connected over sub
[15:34] <yofel> *usb
[15:35] <shadeslayer> huh ... weird .. one sec
[15:35] <yofel> */dev/ttyACM0
[15:37] <shadeslayer> what was that package that provides default configurations for modems
[15:37] <debfx> ScottK: I guess that's a result of switching to the upower backend
[15:38] <ScottK> Hmmm
[15:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes
[15:39] <yofel> shadeslayer: mobile-broadband-provider-info ?
[15:39] <shadeslayer> oh yeah that
[15:39] <shadeslayer> yofel: do you have that?
[15:39] <yofel> shadeslayer: it does configure the connection fine, it just can't actually connect to it
[15:39] <shadeslayer> yofel: well ... i guess the config file is wrong in that case?
[15:39] <yofel> that's why I said it's a modem-manager issue, as from what I see NM works fine
[15:40] <yofel> shadeslayer: could be, my provider isn't listed, but even if I set the information by hand, it still fails
[15:40] <shadeslayer> oh ... 
[15:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ << No kubuntu logo ? :(
[15:42] <shadeslayer> in the blue area on the top
[15:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no, feel free to fix
[15:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: how does one do that :P
[15:45] <shadeslayer> file a bug?
[15:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: edit kubuntu.css 
[15:46] <Riddell> which is in the something repository
[15:47] <shadeslayer> well i'm no good at CSS, but still lets try :p
[15:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: is that a LP repo ? 
[15:50] <shadeslayer> or rather ... bzr repo on LP
[15:50] <Riddell> shadeslayer: unfortunately I don't remember immediately
[15:50] <shadeslayer> okay .. i'm searching as well :)
[15:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I think it's not in bzr, I just edit it directly on the server
[15:52] <shadeslayer> oh .. well .. i don't have write access to that now :P
[15:52] <Riddell> no but if you give me a diff, I do
[15:54] <shadeslayer> one sec on the phone
[15:55] <Riddell> release meeting time
[15:55] <Riddell> ScottK, rbelem, GrueMaster: what was the verdict on our ARM images?
[15:56] <Riddell> any other comments from beta 2?
[15:57] <debfx> ScottK: actually the byKeyPress parameter of brightnessChanged() has been removed
[15:57] <GrueMaster> The kubuntu-desktop images passed with issues.
[15:57] <GrueMaster> Bugs were filed.
[15:57] <ScottK> My view on mobile tends to be "Meh. It's a tech preview".
[15:58] <GrueMaster> The mobile images are not good on multiple levels.  They will not work without a lot of hacking.
[15:58] <GrueMaster> On armel.
[15:59] <GrueMaster> First, you have to graft it onto an SD that is pre-partitioned with a boot loader & uboot files.  Then you have to make several tweeks to the config files for it to load plasma-mobile.
[16:00] <GrueMaster> To me, it is incomplete when compared to other preinstalled armel images.
[16:01] <Riddell> GrueMaster: well that's ok, it's why we call it a tech preview
[16:01] <Riddell> GrueMaster: but what config files need tweaked to load plasma-mobile?
[16:01] <GrueMaster> /etc/default/nodm and also plasma-mobile.desktop needs to be moved to /usr/share/autostart
[16:02] <Riddell> GrueMaster: that's after install though?
[16:02] <GrueMaster> Yes.
[16:02] <GrueMaster> After oem-config runs it's course, the system dumps you down to a text login.
[16:03] <Riddell> I really don't get why oem-config runs
[16:04] <GrueMaster> I would assume that these images are generated from the same cdimage scripts that generate the other pre-installed images.  That would be why oem-config is installed.
[16:05] <Riddell> GrueMaster: so the installation method for pre-installed images is to copy it somewhere then have oem-config run?
[16:06] <GrueMaster> The preinstalled images don't copy anything.  They are built with a compressed filesystem, which gets resized during first boot by jasper-initramfs.
[16:06] <GrueMaster> Otherwise the rootfs of the preinstalled images is identical to an x86 oem install.
[16:13] <ScottK> Bad yofel.  Not filing ISO testing bugs ...
[16:14] <ScottK> Riddell: You've got the release meeting covered?
[16:14] <yofel> I filed the one about d-i being purple, just forgot about that one since it wasn't annoying enough :S
[16:14] <yofel> which reminds me I need to check todays alternate image
[16:14] <GrueMaster> btw:  I tried filing bugs against kubuntu-mobile-default-settings for the config files, but the network was down at the time.
[16:15] <Riddell> ScottK: yes
[16:15] <ScottK> OK.  Great.
[16:16] <ScottK> yofel: It's odd that DI is purple and debconf isn't.  I thought they were controlled by the same switch.
[16:16] <Riddell> DI is an operating within itself
[16:16] <ScottK> True.
[16:17] <yofel> ScottK: cjwatson fixed that yesterday, it seems the switch was there, the iso building scripts just ignored it
[16:17] <ScottK> Cool
[16:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i fail at editing CSS :P
[16:22] <ScottK> Probably distracted by exams.
[16:27] <shadeslayer> :S
[16:27] <yofel> hm, todays image is still purple, let's hope tomorrows isn't. (lp 760089 btw.)
[16:39] <c2tarun> anyone using kubuntu 11.04 beta2 64-bit?
[16:40] <yofel> c2tarun: what's the problem?
[16:40] <c2tarun> yofel: can you please tell me how did you install flashplayer for firefox
[16:41] <yofel> the 32bit one is in flashplugin-instaler, the other one is
[16:41] <yofel> !flash64
[16:42] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: i just download the flash so from adobe's site and put it in ~/.mozilla/plugins
[16:43] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: that libflashplayer.so file?
[16:43] <shadeslayer> yes
[16:43] <c2tarun> ok I'll try that.
[16:44] <c2tarun> dont know how, but I automatically got a pop up and it is installing flash :/ so I am letting it install it first.
[16:45] <yofel> that'll probably install the 32bit one + nspluginwrapper. Should work fine too usually
[16:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: okay a friend helped me out and here's the diff : http://paste.kde.org/12321
[16:50] <shadeslayer> cleaning it up a bit .....
[16:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/12324 << all your's
[17:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/12325 << the previous one won't show the folder icons
[17:08] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: ping
[17:13] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/12330 : more cleaning up :P 
[17:22] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: hi
[17:22] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: Yo
[17:22] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: I'm still waiting to hear back from nixternal about the buillding of the packages. Other then that and a possible merge of about and welcome docs the docs are finished.
[17:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hey, final diff here : http://paste.kde.org/12336 :)
[17:23] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: did nixternal say he'd sort the building?
[17:24] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: Yes. I have his number so I'll text or call him today and get an update on that.
[17:24] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that's not the css file
[17:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: that's a diff 
[17:24] <Riddell> shadeslayer: but not of kubuntu.css
[17:24] <shadeslayer> oh.. i've modified the html part
[17:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: well .. it's not working on just  http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/
[17:25] <yofel> html? you edited the wrong file I think
[17:25] <shadeslayer> it works fine everywhere else
[17:25] <DarkwingDuck> What's up with website stuff?
[17:25] <yofel> DarkwingDuck: see the page, no logo at the top
[17:25] <shadeslayer> yofel: i just downloaded that page and fixed it manually in the source
[17:25] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it's http://releases.ubuntu.com/include/kubuntu.css which is the issue
[17:25] <yofel> shadeslayer: the page source is the html file sure, but not the style file (CSS)
[17:26]  * DarkwingDuck open the css
[17:30] <DarkwingDuck> Is this the same html and css files we have been using?
[17:32] <hiemanshu> shadeslayer: 
[17:32] <shadeslayer> right so hiemanshu was helping me fix stuff :)
[17:33] <shadeslayer> hiemanshu: http://paste.kde.org/12337 << backlog
[17:34]  * hiemanshu *clicks*
[17:34] <DarkwingDuck> I'm trying to figure out why <h1> doesn't like the styling...
[17:35] <hiemanshu> DarkwingDuck: what styling are you trying to add to <h1> ?
[17:35] <DarkwingDuck> I'm not....
[17:35] <DarkwingDuck> I'm trying to figure out why it's not working...
[17:37] <DarkwingDuck> IIRC from CSS <h1> has to do with text itself... so adding a BG to a header wont work. What I think you have to do is add the background to an attribute in a <p> tag. yofel shadeslayer 
[17:37] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: presumably the directory is wrong
[17:37] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: you can add a background to anything
[17:37] <DarkwingDuck> Even a header? I've had issues in the past wit that.
[17:37]  * ScottK adds a background to Riddell.
[17:37] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[17:37] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: yes, look it works here http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/natty/
[17:38] <hiemanshu> DarkwingDuck: <div id="header"><a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/"></a></div> that tag is missing
[17:38] <hiemanshu> DarkwingDuck: which is why h1 isnt working as well
[17:38] <hiemanshu> DarkwingDuck: adding that tag to the html I downloaded worked just fine for me
[17:39] <DarkwingDuck> yofel shadeslayer Riddell ^^^
[17:40] <droidslayer> Meh power outage
[17:41] <DarkwingDuck> :(
[17:41] <droidslayer> Yeah, they'll just get more frequent since summer is here
[17:42] <DarkwingDuck> droidslayer: that sux
[17:42] <droidslayer> Yep ...
[17:42] <Riddell> as I've said it's not a problem in the HTML, the URL needs to be made absolute not relative
[17:42] <hiemanshu> wait, let me host the code on my server
[17:42] <droidslayer> DarkwingDuck: one of the many disadvantages of living in a 3rd world country
[17:43] <hiemanshu> droidslayer: we hardly have power cuts, come to BLR
[17:43] <droidslayer> Btw did anyone take up PIM yet? If not, I can do it tomorrow
[17:43] <DarkwingDuck> droidslayer: it's not much better in the US. San Diego has been dealing wiht brown outs
[17:43] <droidslayer> hiemanshu: this is delhi :P
[17:44] <droidslayer> DarkwingDuck: brown outs? 0.o
[17:44] <DarkwingDuck> droidslayer: Power outages to save money... 
[17:45] <DarkwingDuck> droidslayer: the US is going through a lot of money and states/cities are flat broke
[17:45] <DarkwingDuck> *money issues
[17:45] <droidslayer> That's a bit different .. that's voluntary right ... we otoh have unscheduled powercuts
[17:45] <DarkwingDuck> No, it's not voluntary
[17:46] <droidslayer> :O
[17:46] <DarkwingDuck> I don't like it when my power goes off... Its a city thing.
[17:46] <DarkwingDuck> Plus my server box hates it.
[17:47] <DarkwingDuck> It's not as bad but, it's not just a third world country thing either
[17:47] <droidslayer> Hehe
[17:48] <GrueMaster> rbelem: I filed a bug against kubuntu-mobile-default-settings for the nodm * plasma-mobile.desktop issues.  Bug 761959.
[17:48] <droidslayer> Atleast my phone keeps my connected now
[17:48] <DarkwingDuck> droidslayer: you have a way to teather your laptop to your phone?
[17:48] <GrueMaster> For tracking purposes.
[17:48] <droidslayer> DarkwingDuck: yep
[17:49] <DarkwingDuck> droidslayer: that is good.
[17:49] <droidslayer> DarkwingDuck: my laptop’s battery is dead .. and the charger doesn't work :P
[17:49] <hiemanshu> DarkwingDuck: droidslayer uploading the page, give me a sec
[17:49] <DarkwingDuck> ohhhhhhhhh back to the sux comment again.
[17:50] <DarkwingDuck> hiemanshu: I was just trying to locate the issue for them. :)
[17:50] <GrueMaster> DarkwingDuck: Most cell phones have been able to be used as modems for a while.  My old Motorola flip phone had that feature 4 years ago.  My Droid now does tethering via usb & bluetooth (if I pay extra $$$ for the service).
[17:50] <hiemanshu> droidslayer: http://hiemanshu.fedorapeople.org/kubuntu.html
[17:50] <hiemanshu> DarkwingDuck: ^^
[17:50] <droidslayer> Imdeed
[17:50] <hiemanshu> well it works now
[17:50] <hiemanshu> GrueMaster: its free in India
[17:50] <DarkwingDuck> GrueMaster: Oh I know. My droid is rooted and so I use that function on the road
[17:51] <hiemanshu> GrueMaster: I pay like $4 for .25G of 3G data
[17:51]  * GrueMaster would like to visit India.
[17:51] <hiemanshu> that can be tethered
[17:51] <hiemanshu> or you can pay $2 for 2G data for 2G of data
[17:51] <GrueMaster> I think tethering is an additional $25/month here (on top of the $40/month for unlimited data).
[17:51] <hiemanshu> Riddell: http://hiemanshu.fedorapeople.org/kubuntu.html <-- that works, I can upload the code for you
[17:51] <DarkwingDuck> The US carriers charge extra for teathering unless you go around the blocks
[17:52] <DarkwingDuck> GrueMaster: Depending on the who your service is with.
[17:52] <GrueMaster> Verizon.
[17:53] <GrueMaster> Best of all evil in the US.
[17:53] <hiemanshu> well calling or text is really cheap in India, I pay like 1 cent per minute for a call
[17:53] <DarkwingDuck> GrueMaster: that's who I use too
[17:54] <hiemanshu> and about the same for 100 texts
[17:54] <DarkwingDuck> Been with them for 10 ears
[17:54] <hiemanshu> ears?
[17:54] <DarkwingDuck> *years
[17:54] <hiemanshu> lol
[17:54] <GrueMaster> Same here.
[17:54] <GrueMaster> (but I'm keeping my ears).
[17:54] <DarkwingDuck> I'm still stuck with the Droid 1 :)
[17:54] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[17:55] <hiemanshu> I knwo most people will hate me for this but Android sucks
[17:55] <GrueMaster> I just upgraded from Droid 1 to Droid 2 Global.  Faster.
[17:56] <hiemanshu> too slow, laggy, and well no proper updates is a deal breaker
[17:56] <GrueMaster> hiemanshu: It really depends on wht the basis for comparison is.  There is always room for improvement in any smart phone os.
[17:56] <hiemanshu> GrueMaster: true
[17:56] <DarkwingDuck> GrueMaster: what did you do with your Droid 1?
[17:56] <GrueMaster> As to updates, they have to grom Google to the manufacturer to the carrier.
[17:57] <GrueMaster> My droid 1 will be going to my son.
[17:57] <DarkwingDuck> Ahhhh Got ya
[17:57] <GrueMaster> As soon as I can afford to add him to the data plan.
[17:57]  * hiemanshu feels young 
[17:57] <DarkwingDuck> GrueMaster: you ever root your phones?
[17:57] <Riddell> hiemanshu: now I have to work out how that page gets generated
[17:57] <droidslayer> hiemanshu: can you paste the link again?
[17:57] <GrueMaster> No.  Can't live without them if I accidently brick them.
[17:58] <hiemanshu> droidslayer: http://hiemanshu.fedorapeople.org/kubuntu.html
[17:58] <droidslayer> GrueMaster: rooting is actually quite safe now :P
[17:58] <hiemanshu> Riddell: yeah, just do a diff from my page and see the difference
[17:58] <GrueMaster> I could root my droid 1, but I have a beagle & beagleXM so not much benefit.
[17:58] <DarkwingDuck> GrueMaster: Funny thing about that... I've tried to brick my droid 1... I can't do it.
[17:58] <Riddell> hiemanshu: yes I see it thanks, I need to find the script that generated that HTML and update it
[17:58] <hiemanshu> Riddell: np
[17:59] <DarkwingDuck> GrueMaster: For my, running gingerbread on an overclocked CPU to 1.3Ghz was worth it.
[17:59] <Riddell> folks, I'm away until Monday evening, have fun
[17:59] <GrueMaster> Riddell: Have a great weekend.
[17:59] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: I'll talk with nixternal and see if we can't get that finished.
[17:59] <hiemanshu> DarkwingDuck: how big is the hit on the battery
[17:59] <droidslayer> Riddell: have fun :)
[18:00] <yofel> Riddell: cu
[18:01] <DarkwingDuck> hiemanshu: Not bad, there is an app called set CPU that allows me to scale it back as well... So it's only 1.3Ghz on demand. When screen is off it sits at 400 Mhz
[18:01] <hiemanshu> DarkwingDuck: but why do you need so much CPU power? I have an iPhone, I would underclock it instead
[18:02] <DarkwingDuck> It's runs everything smoother... I do a lot of expirimental things.
[18:03] <hiemanshu> DarkwingDuck: that one reason why I am going to wait till I get an android, its very laggy :/
[18:03] <DarkwingDuck> hiemanshu: it's not that laggy its just smoother.
[18:03] <droidslayer> hiemanshu: yeah, I just had to reboot to get my system to respond again
[18:04] <droidslayer> CM 7 lags for me :(
[18:04] <hiemanshu> DarkwingDuck: when you use an iPhone, everything seems really really laggy :P
[18:05] <DarkwingDuck> droidslayer: what you running CM7 on?
[18:05] <droidslayer> DarkwingDuck: a htc desire
[18:06] <DarkwingDuck> droidslayer: I'll ask Cyanogen about that.
[18:06] <droidslayer> DarkwingDuck: you know him personally or sth?
[18:07] <DarkwingDuck> I work with him extensivly.... I'm one of the testors and bug people for the CM7 Droid 1 
[18:08] <DarkwingDuck> cvpcs (He used to run the Gem ROMS) went to work with Cyanogen with the Droid 1 as well... He and I know each other personally
[18:08] <droidslayer> Ah.. Well .. I haven't done a clean install .. Just upgraded from older nightlies
[18:09] <DarkwingDuck> ahhhhh
[18:09] <bambee> Riddell: apparently it's not possible yet to write a kauth helper in python...
[18:11] <bambee> so : 1) we need to write a kauth helper in c++ and keep the rest in python. OR 2) we need to write a dbus helper in python like language-selector does...
[18:15] <droidslayer> Ah well, cya tomorrow :)
[18:43]  * apachelogger needs someone to ask questions for his phonon talk
[18:47] <rbelem> GrueMaster, i just assigned the bug to myself
[18:47] <rbelem> thanks GrueMaster :-)
[18:47] <GrueMaster> Ok.
[18:48] <GrueMaster> Let me know when it is fixed and I'll pull a daily to test it.
[18:49] <GrueMaster> Also, on your n900 wiki it talks about creating a swap partition.  We have found that reads/writes were much faster using a swap file on the rootfs due to sd write alignment issues.
[18:49] <GrueMaster> The image already has it set that way.
[18:50] <rbelem> GrueMaster, nice! i will update the wiki
[19:06] <kps_foo> hi guys.. I need a little help....my kde unstable build environment crashes at the splash screen....I have no clue why?
[19:06] <kps_foo> I am using Kubuntu 10.10
[19:07] <kps_foo> I followed all the directions at techbase.kde.org, I have made a separate user for the build environment....
[19:09]  * yofel resigns and overclocks his n900
[19:10] <yofel> kps_foo: checked kde-devel/.xsession-errors?
[19:12] <kps_foo> yofel: Ok, will check it out, thanks :)
[19:43] <kps_foo> @yofel: I am getting some errors
[19:44] <kps_foo> yofel: I checked my .xsession-errors file and here is its output, http://paste.kde.org/12367/
[19:44] <kps_foo> yofel: Need a little help deciphering the errors....
[19:50] <yofel> kps_foo: hm, I can't really see what goes wrong here either :/  - maybe ask in #kde-devel if nobody else has an idea
[19:51] <kps_foo> yofel: I am already asking them :), thanks anyways.
[21:45] <afiestas> Riddell: ping
[22:09] <DarkwingDuck> afiestas: Riddell is out till monday.
[23:14] <ScottK> It would be nice if someone still running maverick would install 4.5.5 from maverick-proposed and comment in Bug 757065.
[23:15] <ScottK> Also if some of you (maco) are on #kubuntu you might ask people there to test.