[00:01] <torchie> can I upgrade to natty beta 2 from beta 1?
[00:01] <ubuntuguy> Yes
[00:01] <delac> torchie: if you have been updating your machine, then it is already beta2
[00:01] <ubuntuguy> Go tou pdate manager
[00:02] <yofel> !final
[00:02] <torchie> o
[00:02] <torchie> well!
[00:03] <cp> I recently installed kubuntu i386 natty and every time I try to resize konsole the machine locks up.  It doesn't happen when I resize firefox...  And the bug reporting tool blows up too.  Any suggestions?
[00:04] <delac> ugh, the live-usb seems to be using 700MB of my 1GB of ram. Any way to lower that?
[00:04] <delac> cp: there is a bug report about that
[00:04] <acicula> delac: not really
[00:04] <delac> acicula: oh?
[00:05] <acicula> delac: if you installed packages you can clean the downloaded data by running apt-get clean
[00:05] <yofel> he's talking about memory, not disk space, but I don't know either why it would do that
[00:05] <cp> OK, I hope it is high priority as I won't be using natty and KDE as my desktop with that issue.  Thanks!
[00:06] <acicula> the livecd uses an overlay system which overlays a a memory based filesystem over the static filesystem from the livecd
[00:06] <delac> cp: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/760632
[00:12] <Jeruvy> are there torrents for the beta?
[00:13] <yofel> Jeruvy: yes
[00:13] <Jeruvy> awesome thanks yofel
[00:15] <delac> hey, terminal seems to now have stylish black scrollbar. nice, although I hope they will get the overlay scrollbars too
[00:16] <torchie> oh turns out there were some new things to upgrade
[00:16] <torchie> oy
[00:16] <torchie> more ldconfig deferred processing :o
[00:16] <torchie> how do you know when it's done
[00:21] <delac> bah, I can't test this beta properly as there ain't enough ram on my machine to even update-initramfs. Maybe I should file a bug on high ram usage?
[00:25] <atc3030> hey guys. i need help with my broadcom chip on natty. its a 4311
[00:26] <atc3030> anyone?
[00:27] <delac> state your problem
[00:29] <atc3030> i upgraded my ubuntu 10.10 installation to natty 11.04 beta1 and my broadcom 4311 STA Wireless chip will not work. I have tried the page on ubuntu's website. I have installed, removed the driver atlease 5 times. ive tried every combination of settings in my bios. I have a dell inspiron e1505 with a Broadcom bcw4311 802.1 b/g STA Wireless chip.
[00:30] <delac> does it give any errors?
[00:31] <delac> I'm trying to get the same drivers working, but in my case the problem is that I have too little ram on my machine and the update-iniramfs fails
[00:32] <atc3030> no. it installs via the additional drivers and it says its activated. but its not. so i remove it. reboot. reinstall. reboot. nothing. it doesnt show that i have it. then if i uninstall it, it shows i have one, but says the firmware is not supported
[00:32] <delac> hmm, by the specs of your machine, that might be your problem too
[00:33] <delac> have you actually installed the ubuntu or are you ust using live-cd/usb?
[00:33] <atc3030> what do you mean? its 2 gigs of ram. 80 gigs hdd space. 2 gigs swap so i can suspend to disk.
[00:33] <delac> oh, so there is a differen inspiron e1505 also :)
[00:34] <atc3030> i installed ubuntu 10.10 prolly a month ago. then today, i went to upgrade with a usb i made with an iso and nothing.
[00:34] <atc3030> it upgraded, but wireless wont work
[00:35] <atc3030> like now, it says under wireless networks, device not ready (Firmware missing) but if i install the firmware, it doesnt even show theres wireless
[00:36] <atc3030> i really really dont want to have to install and lose everything but i guess i could bite the bullet if i have to and reinstall 10.10
[00:39] <delac> atc3030: there seem to be some similar bug reports https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/732038
[00:40] <atc3030> so no fix? crap
[00:41] <delac> atc3030: read them through, there might be some workarounds
[00:41] <atc3030> i am
[00:47] <atc3030> brb. gonna reboot
[01:03] <Saamm> has anyone updated to unity 3.8.8...I noticed some new problems
[01:06] <jiohdi> me no likey unity
[01:08] <KM0201> jiohdi, i like it, but i think it needs some more work
[01:08] <KM0201> seems kinda slow..
[01:08] <jiohdi> still a work in progress
[01:08] <KM0201> ya
[01:08] <jiohdi> I like docky better
[01:08] <KM0201> hopefully by 11.10/12.04, they'll have it perfected
[01:09] <KM0201> i wish you could still add panel applets, thats really the only thing i miss.
[01:11] <KM0201> cairo dock didn't rally do what i wanted it to do.
[01:11] <jiohdi> docky is not the same
[01:11] <jiohdi> much better
[01:12] <KM0201> i don't like it (or i should say, i don't have any use for it)
[01:15] <KM0201> i really just miss my system monitor panel applet
[01:15] <KM0201> when i saw my CPU spike to 100%, i could click it, find out what the prob was, and kill it.
[01:15] <jiohdi> that is why I use ldxe panel for that
[01:16] <jiohdi> docky has a cpu eye which turns red when in high use, green for low
[01:16] <KM0201> you can't use lxde panel for gnome though (or unity anyway)
[01:16] <jiohdi> that is why I do not use unity
[01:16] <KM0201> lol
[01:16] <jiohdi> I have docky on the bottom and ldxe on top
[01:16] <KM0201> ic
[01:19] <jiohdi> one interesting change to ldxe... the title bar is now not on the app any more, but on the ldxe panel
[01:39] <reagle> howdy all, i'm testing natty, in particular, i want to see how it runs virtualbox (3.2.12)
[01:40] <reagle> when it tries to compile/install its modules I get:
[01:40] <reagle> Makefile:170: *** Error: /usr/src/linux (version 2.6.38.2) does not match the current kernel (version 2.6.38-8-generic).  Stop.
[01:40] <bjsnider> yofel_, did you ever install gnome 3 and test it?
[01:41] <yofel_> reagle: afaik our kernel needs Virtualbox >= 4.0
[01:41] <yofel> bjsnider: It worked a week ago, but gnome-shell didn't start when I tried it 2 days ago
[01:41] <reagle> oh, but 4.* isn't as stable performant. so there's no 3.2 with natty?
[01:42] <yofel> reagle: I don't think so, at least I do remember there being a bug for the failing modules, as that happened to me too until virtualbox was updated
[01:43] <ubuntuguy> Evolutionary mail hasn't updated in so long
[01:43] <ubuntuguy> how can I make it fetch my new mail?
[01:43] <bjsnider> yofel, yes but what are you using instead, is it kde?
[01:43] <yofel> I'm using KDE as usual, yes
[01:43] <ubuntuguy> Nvm, think I got it
[01:44] <yofel> I heard that gnome3 breaks unity, but I never actually tried that
[01:46] <KM0201> yofel, yup... tried it earlier.
[01:50] <bjsnider> yofel, why try gnome 3 and not unity?
[01:51] <yofel> unity only gave me compiz segfaults here, so I just went on to try gnome3. Tried unity in virtualbox today instead, came out pretty nice TBH
[01:51] <torchie> I think the ubuntu logo button in the corner in Unity should be more easily distinguishable as some sort of button/hover control
[01:51] <KM0201> yeah... i like unity... i think it needs some more work, but i didn't like gnome3 at all.
[01:52] <ubuntuguy> WHy isn't evolution fetching mail?
[01:52] <yofel> ubuntuguy: it probably has logs somewhere, check those?
[01:52] <ubuntuguy> Where?
[01:52] <yofel> no idea
[01:53] <ubuntuguy> What do you mean by logs?
[01:53] <obengdako> oh  really i think unity and gnome3 are the same but unity has had more working on since it was the netbook iface but gnome 2 or classic still rocks
[01:53] <rww> unity and gnome3 are not the same, at all :|
[01:53] <yofel> and gnome3 was worked on longer I think..
[01:54] <yofel> ubuntuguy: log files, check ~/.xsession-errors maybe
[01:54] <ubuntuguy> Where do I add that in?
[01:55] <yofel> huh? ~/.xsession-errors is a text file, open it in gedit
[01:55] <yofel> and check the file from the bottom up
[01:55] <obengdako> well i didn't mean the "same" i implied similar philosophies
[01:55] <KM0201> obengdako, they are quite a bit different.. personally at this point, i think unity is quite a bit better
[01:58] <KM0201> only thing i don't like about unity, is there's no easy way to use the GUI system monitor, to kill misbehaving apps, w/o going through the menu, and opening the program.. i used to just have it running on a panel, and when something went nanners, i just clicked it, killed the app, and that was it.... hopefully they'll make an indicator applet for it.
[01:58] <obengdako> KM0201 i indeed agree with you i only really hate that  i have to give up my mac theme in gnome 2 gtk
[01:59] <KM0201> lol
[01:59] <obengdako> yeah all those applets i've grown to like
[02:00] <yofel> well, it's not like you can actually add any applets in unity
[02:00] <KM0201> yup
[02:01] <KM0201> yofel, iff you can, i've not figured out how.
[02:01] <KM0201> cairo dock isn't really the same, and not what i'm looking for.
[02:01] <yofel> me neither, I left/middle/right clicked anywhere on the panel where the wasn't an applet and it did nothing
[02:04] <KM0201> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-monitor/+question/151942
[02:04] <KM0201> :(
[02:04]  * yofel will stick to KDE where he has a system monitor in the panel
[02:07] <leftyfb> I just installed 11.04 beta 2 in Virtualbox. I installed the guest additions and it now has the better video drivers capable of running compiz. How do I now start the Unity interface? At the login screen it has "Ubuntu" selected.
[02:08] <FloatingGoat> yo is there a channel for unity?
[02:08] <Daekdroom> FloatingGoat, #ayatana
[02:08] <FloatingGoat> Daekdroom: unity 2D also?
[02:08] <Daekdroom> FloatingGoat, yeah
[02:09] <KM0201> Daekdroom, didn't i help you w/ something a while ago?
[02:09] <KM0201> for some reason your name rings a bell
[02:09] <Daekdroom> KM0201, I don't think I have asked for help in here in quite awhile.
[02:09] <Daekdroom> If anything, I might have complained about something not working, tho.
[02:09] <leftyfb> anyone?
[02:09] <KM0201> Daekdroom, no, not in here, it was in #ubuntu.. thought i helped you install or something.
[02:09] <Daekdroom> Nope. Never asked for install help.
[02:09] <Daekdroom> Atleast not in #ubuntu
[02:10] <KM0201> hmm
[02:10] <KM0201> ok
[02:15] <rww> leftyfb: I don't understand it much, but the answer I've seen in here for VirtualBox + Unity is "doesn't work"
[02:15] <yofel> rww: works fine for me
[02:15] <leftyfb> rww: I know that's not true
[02:15] <leftyfb> I had it working with the alpha
[02:15] <rww> gotta love the internet, then.
[02:15] <leftyfb> but reinstalled and now nothing
[02:17] <yofel> it did break at some point due to the X updates, but virtualbox-ose-guest-x11 made unity work fine
[02:17] <yofel> ... today
[02:17] <leftyfb> will that work even if you're not running the ose edition?
[02:18] <yofel> that I don't know
[02:19] <leftyfb> i'm trying to install virtualbox-guest-additions from the repo's now
[02:20] <jbicha> I had to use the 4.0.5 guest additions from http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
[02:20] <jbicha> it's a little weird having Unity inside Unity but it works
[02:21] <torchie> YO DAWG
[02:22] <KM0201> jbicha, guest additions in the repos, is for the OSE version of virtualbox
[02:22] <KM0201> did you install the OSE version?
[02:25] <jbicha> hmm, the changelog seems to imply that the repository version would work too
[02:25] <KM0201> i don't think it does... at least in my experience
[02:27] <jbicha> I know the 4.0.5 iso from VB works with my OSE install, I'm going to try the repo one now
[02:28] <KM0201> jbicha, whats your guest OS?
[02:28] <jbicha> 11.04...inside 11.04
[02:28] <KM0201> and how did you install vbox 4.0 (the closed source one) under Ubuntu 11.04?  the maveric repo?
[02:28] <KM0201> or is there a natty repo?
[02:29] <ubuntuguy> It doesn't work for me
[02:30] <KM0201> what doesn't?
[02:30] <ubuntuguy> vbox 4.0
[02:30] <ubuntuguy> on unity
[02:30] <ubuntuguy> it doesn't work
[02:30] <KM0201> i'm gonna try it.
[02:30] <KM0201> i got vbox 4.0 downloading now.
[02:31] <ubuntuguy> good luck
[02:31] <ubuntuguy> k
[02:31] <KM0201> it's almost done downloading
[02:31] <ubuntuguy> It may work for you then
[02:32] <KM0201> installing now...
[02:41] <KM0201> looks like possibly a problem w/ dkms...
[02:44] <KM0201> ubuntuguy, looks like the problem as dkms was missing (if you were getting "error code 1"... run sudo apt-get install dkms   and it should start.
[02:46] <KM0201> well, it might..lol, i got it to boot anyway..lol
[02:46] <KM0201> yup, there it goes
[02:47] <KM0201> the fight on TUF last night was pretty good.
[02:47] <KM0201> dana seemed pretty impressed
[02:48] <KM0201> woops, wrong window.
[02:48] <KM0201> lol
[03:02] <Daekdroom> !schedule
[03:03] <KM0201> !isitoutyet
[03:24] <HyperShock> anyone know what woud cause a system that has natty on it to not boot to desktop ... according to the user, the transferred their natty installed drive into a new box. the old box supported nvidia and the new box uses amd 880g (grfx).
[03:27] <radhruin> HyperShock: Thanks for asking my question here :) Going to reboot in a minute here after applying updates and see if anything is better...
[03:27] <radhruin> Somewhat off topic but is there a shortcut to switch channels in irssi?
[03:28] <HyperShock> yeah, type /join #<channel>, ie like /join #ubuntu+1 or /join #samba
[03:28] <HyperShock> oh heh
[03:29] <HyperShock> are you chatting from shell?
[03:29] <rww> radhruin: ctrl-n, ctrl-p, alt-1, alt-2, etc.
[03:29] <rww> there are rather a lot, in fact...
[03:29] <radhruin> rww: thanks :)
[03:29] <radhruin> HyperShock: Yes, I can't get GUI up.
[03:29] <HyperShock> alt+# is working for me in xchat, although, i prefer the mouse
[03:30] <radhruin> I have lynx and irssi for hard times such as these
[03:30] <radhruin> Here's a question
[03:31] <radhruin> what log files are potentially relevant when there's a freeze during bootup?
[03:31] <radhruin> Is the log.1/log.0 file from the previous boot attempt or is there some other scheme to the rotation?
[03:33] <yofel> HyperShock: I wouldn't be surprised if the system fails to start X with the ati card if the user installed the nvidia driver previously
[03:34] <radhruin> yofel
[03:34] <radhruin> err sorry
[03:34] <yofel> ah wait, you're the affected one, didn't read the backlog completely
[03:34] <radhruin> yofel: The question was mine :) I apt-get remove --purge nvidia-*
[03:34] <radhruin> is that insufficient?
[03:34] <yofel> radhruin: also 'sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf' ?
[03:35] <radhruin> no, I'll give that a shot now
[03:35] <radhruin> have to reboot soon anyway
[03:35]  * HyperShock thanks yofel for coming to the rescue
[03:35] <yofel> as that would be the primary problem
[03:35] <yofel> the revelvant logfile would be /var/log/Xorg.0.log btw.
[03:35] <yofel> *relevant
[03:36] <radhruin> bah you're right sir, it still is configured for nvidia
[03:36] <radhruin> of course
[03:36] <yofel> as for the log schemes
[03:37] <yofel> the current / previous files are usually managed by <filename> / <filename>.old
[03:37] <yofel> the numered ones are usually done by logrotate
[03:37] <radhruin> and a sudo service gdm restart brings up my gui :) Thank you very much sir... now to get my zfs array online :)
[03:38] <radhruin> Xorg logs seem to follow the .old pattern. Was hoping dmesg.0 was the previous boot's logs.
[03:38] <radhruin> there is no dmesg.old
[03:38] <radhruin> for eg
[03:39] <radhruin> Anyway, thank you guys much for the help!
[03:40] <yofel> the kernel log is in kern.log too, not only dmes
[03:40] <yofel> geh, missed him
[03:41] <HyperShock> mebe he'll be back to pay his respects. :)
[04:33] <pietro10> Hi. After first upgrading to 11.04 Compiz's Enhanced Zoom Desktop stopped working; the lastest updates later and it still doesn't. I tried reinstalling compiz but to no effect. At the moment I'm stuck on Classic Ubuntu. Is this a known thing and is there a way to fix it, like restoring COmpiz's defualts?
[04:34] <pietro10> I'm using "CompizConfig Settings Manager" installed back in 10.04
[04:47] <pietro10> oh right forgot: I had to disable nvidia proprietary drivers because 11.04 alpha wouldn't start with them
[04:53] <pdlnhrd> I am trying to install the daily build of natty and am running into an error during the install process.... i would love to help submit a bug but i can't capture the error because when it happens it drops to a console window shows the error for a few seconds and reboots... is there anyway i can capture what is happening to help?
[04:54] <SwedeMike> when that has happened to me, I've taken a picture of the error and submitted it with the report.
[04:54] <SwedeMike> one time, I had to resort to using movie mode because the error was shown so short
[04:55] <pdlnhrd> I don't own a real digital camera and I have tried with my smartphone and can't get a good enough image
[04:55] <pdlnhrd> Thanks for the idea though...
[04:56] <pdlnhrd> I know approximately what the error is... but i want to give exact error
[04:58] <pdlnhrd> does launchpad combine all bugs from all releases together or is there a way to look at just natty bugs... (cause this bug doesn't exist in maverick)
[05:22] <kavoor> In Natty beta, how to enable or disable the global menu bar? I  used it for a while and got used to it. Then I pressed something (I  don't know what) and the global menu bar disappeared and the menu now  locally appearing in all windows. How to enable it back?
[05:25] <nit-wit> kavoor, http://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutorials/linux-distributions/linux-distributions4-ubuntu/1598-howto-disable-appmenu-global-menu-in-ubuntu-1104-natty-narwhal  look familiar
[05:42] <kavoor> nit-wit: tried. But the case is a bit different here
[05:42] <kavoor> did not work :(
[05:42] <nit-wit> same bar correct
[05:44] <kavoor> yes, but here, the global bar is disabled even without renaming the libappmenu
[05:45] <nit-wit>  I don't use unity but is the button to turn it on/off in the file preferences in the bar, I assuming it shows when window is fully exspanded.
[05:46] <Neddy> Hello, I'm on 11.04 beta and I can't adjust time/date. I've chosen my right timezone but it didn't change
[05:46] <nit-wit> kavoor, I bet if you look in gconf-editor you may find a link to it
[05:46] <kavoor> nit-wit: I'll check
[05:47] <nit-wit> Neddy, did you put in your location with a right click on the clock and a zip code or name of city
[05:48] <Neddy> nit-wit: yes, I did
[05:48] <UbuntuFanatic> Isn't that for location services? :P
[05:49] <nit-wit> not sure for the clock I go to the clock
[05:51] <Neddy> sorry UbuntuFanatic, I don't understand
[05:54] <Neddy> I chose the right Location but the clock on top-left of "task bar" doesn't change
[05:55] <Neddy> but when I click on it I can see the right clock of my Location
[06:01] <jabo5360> In the new Unity desktop the left hand panel has a button "Files & Folders"  -  Is there a way to clear the history and if so how do you do it
[06:09] <jabo5360> In the new Unity desktop the left hand panel has a button "Files & Folders" - Is there a way to clear the history and if so how do you do it
[06:26] <eagles0513875> hey guys im having issues with my wifi and wpa2 on natty
[06:27] <eagles0513875> upgrade as well as clean install it kernel panics trying to establish the connection
[06:27] <manlymatt83> is it safe to run 11.04 at this point, if I don't mind small bugs?  If so, can I easily update to release once it is released in a few weeks?  Or should I Just wait until it's released?
[06:27] <eagles0513875> manlymatt83: depends you need wifi
[06:27] <bullgard4> manlymatt83: No
[06:27] <cryptk> eagles0513875, my wifi on 11.04, with WPA2, works great
[06:28] <manlymatt83> Yeah, I use wifi
[06:28] <eagles0513875> cryptk: what wifi card do you have
[06:28] <cryptk> I think it has something to do with either your card or driver and 11.04, not a systemic problem to 11.04 as a whole
[06:28] <manlymatt83> bullgard4: No to which part?
[06:28] <eagles0513875> im starting to wonder if this is an antheros wifi card regression
[06:28] <eagles0513875> cryptk: whats funny is maverick i didnt have this issue
[06:28] <cryptk> eagles0513875, mine is a broadcom chipset
[06:28] <cryptk> linksys branded
[06:29] <bullgard4> manlymatt83: "[07:27]	<manlymatt83>	is it safe to run 11.04 at this point," <-- No.
[06:29] <jbicha> manlymatt83: Ubuntu 11.04 is advertised on ubuntu's homepage so it's reasonably safe but it's still beta
[06:29] <eagles0513875> cryptk: if it wasnt for me finding these reversed engineered broadcom drivers back during the gutsy dev cycle they wouldnt be part of the distro now
[06:29] <jbicha> I guess it depends on how much breakage you can deal with
[06:29] <manlymatt83> jbicha: is there any difference between installing the beta now, then upgrading to release in a few weeks, versus installing the release from USB in a few weeks?
[06:30] <manlymatt83> end result is the same, right?
[06:30] <eagles0513875> cryptk: http://linuxwireless.org/ <--- open source wifi drivers ftw
[06:30] <jbicha> yes, at this point, they'll end up exactly the same
[06:30] <manlymatt83> cool, thanks
[06:32] <diandes> Just installed Kubuntu 11.04 Beta 2. The Wifi connection manager ("Configure - KDE Control Module"), even if I select a wifi connection, click "edit", and enable "Connect automatically" never remembers it. I press "OK" to exit the dialog box, for example, but if I reopen with "Edit..." immediately later it still shows that connection as not automatically connecting.
[06:32] <diandes> It's completely consistent and repeatable.
[06:32] <eagles0513875> diandes: kde?
[06:33] <diandes> Yes
[06:33] <diandes> I was just in #kubuntu and I was directed here.
[06:33] <eagles0513875> diandes: does it ask you to enter the wallet password or to setup the wallet
[06:34] <eagles0513875> diandes: im having the issue of wpa2 causing a kernel panic
[06:34] <diandes> It did at one point. I gave a blank password (I only ever put wifi 'secrets' in it so...). Is that the problem?
[06:34] <eagles0513875> diandes: are you trying to connect to a wpa2 network
[06:34] <eagles0513875> cuz the issue seems isolated to wpa2 connections
[06:34] <eagles0513875> at least what i have seen
[06:35] <eagles0513875> diandes: gonna try using wicd if that works then its a problem wiht the network manager
[06:35] <diandes> The connection itself works for me. I'm using it now, for example. And it's an older router, so WPA I believe.
[06:36] <eagles0513875> diandes: what kind of wifi card do you have
[06:36] <diandes> Heh. Remember doing that from years ago as a debugging thing.
[06:36] <diandes> (wicd)
[06:36] <diandes> But will try
[06:36] <diandes> Intel Centrino. Can find model number if it matters. But the connection, again, works.
[06:36] <eagles0513875> diandes: lspci to find out what wifi card you have
[06:36] <eagles0513875> mines an atheros wifi card
[06:36] <diandes> okay
[06:36] <diandes> checking
[06:38] <diandes> Ah, Intel Corporation Ultimate N WiFi Link 5300
[06:38] <diandes> Not Atheros obviously.
[06:38] <eagles0513875> lucky
[06:38] <diandes> So it might be a driver-specific thing in your case.
[06:39] <eagles0513875> dunno gonna give wicd a go
[06:39] <diandes> Hasn't Atheros had varying levels of GPL support? I seem to recall drama around one of the main wifi vendors recently.
[06:39] <diandes> Could've been Broadcom though.
[06:39] <eagles0513875> diandes: dunno first time i have gotten something with an atheros
[06:39] <eagles0513875> all other laptops have had broadcom
[06:41] <eagles0513875> diandes: giving my netbook a reboot
[06:42] <diandes> Alright... Will try wicd.
[06:42] <eagles0513875> diandes: whats odd is when im plugged into my wired network then connect to wpa2 wifi it doesnt kernel panic
[06:42] <diandes> Tried different kernel versions?
[06:43] <diandes> Bisecting, kind of
[06:44] <eagles0513875> diandes: i have the latest kernel thats part of natty :(
[06:44] <eagles0513875> and wicd = bugged :(
[06:45] <diandes> (Oh, separate fun issue: using a Thinkpad T400 with switchable graphics. I know switchable graphics aren't really supported but with default BIOS settings Kubuntu's install just crashes very early with a helpful stack dump pointing to the r600 driver. Switch to discrete-only in BIOS and it boots, but then there's some stack dump/crash that occurs on resume, every time. Switch to integrated-only and it works fine. But this seems like a not
[06:45] <diandes>  entirely uncommon laptop to fail so miserably on with default BIOS settings)
[06:45] <eagles0513875> take that back its not
[06:46] <diandes> Oh? Actually, I do get "fail" with wicd startup manager in console. Is it supposed to be able to run concurrently with the built-in manager?
[06:46] <diandes> In the past it had an explicit Conflicts: field in the .deb I think
[06:49] <diandes> $ sudo wicd
[06:49] <diandes> rename failed
[06:49] <eagles0513875> diandes: ya me 2 but it keeps telling me bad passphrase which isnt true
[06:49] <eagles0513875> diandes: ya thats what im getting
[06:50] <diandes> But since it would only be be a debugging tool in my case (I do remember times when it was actually just what I prefered using, but networkmanager has improved past its 0.5 or whatever version)
[06:50] <diandes> if I'm going to spend time debugging this sort of thing I'd rather it be why "Connect automatically" is not sticking at all.
[06:51] <eagles0513875> ahh
[06:51] <eagles0513875> well im going back to knetwork manager
[06:53] <diandes> it does remember the WPA password fine
[06:53] <rwhittle> nothing appears in my "more apps" or more internet apps this all started when i aborted jockey-gtk
[06:53] <diandes> So it's not completely amnesiac
[06:53] <rwhittle> my entire "apps" menu's are blank (black)
[06:54] <eagles0513875> lol woot knetworkmanager seg faulted
[06:54] <rwhittle> hey eagles0513875
[06:54] <eagles0513875> hey rwhittle
[06:55] <rwhittle> anyone know how to restore my icons and app names to my natty menu ?
[06:55] <eagles0513875> wooot :(
[06:55] <eagles0513875> buggy network manager on kde
[06:56] <diandes> (rwhittle: I do not.)
[06:56] <diandes> Completely separately, isn't KDE 4.6 supposed to have fixed the 'remember multiple monitor configuration'? it keeps resetting to cloned for me  after each boot
[06:56] <diandes> I used GNOME for the past 6-month cycle just so I could have working multimonitor functionality :p
[06:56] <eagles0513875> dunno havent tested my netbook
[06:57] <diandes> And knetworkmanager has never been the most stable program but its crashing is disappointing.
[06:59] <bullgard4> diandes: Did you file an error report to Launchpad?
[07:00] <jabo5360> Files & Folders" - Is there a way to clear the history and if so how do you do it
[07:00] <bullgard4> jabo5360: History of what?
[07:01] <diandes> I haven't yet, no. I will. It's actually sort of weird. Kubuntu 10.10's release candidate would not remember at all. This one seems to sort of pick one of the monitors to remember the resolution of, ignore the other, and go back to clone. So it's half-fixed...
[07:01] <jabo5360> In the new Unity desktop the left hand panel has a button "Files & Folders" - Is there a way to clear that history
[07:01] <diandes> (I did find a bug at the time in LP though. Supposedly it was slated for fixing in KDE 4.6)
[07:04] <jabo5360> In the new Unity desktop the left hand panel has a button "Files & Folders" - Is there a way to clear that history or at least set a limit as to how many recent items it remembers?
[07:13] <bullgard4> jabo5360: (I am not using Unity.)
[09:06] <lotia> greetings all, whats the difference between the "install a minimal system" and "install a minimal virtual machine" instllation option?
[09:07] <lotia> this is when installing natty server
[09:30] <pa> hi
[09:30] <pa> i have a question, when i update from 10.10 to 11.04, is there a way to avoid unity?
[09:32] <cryptk> update to 11.04 then at the login screen choose the Ubuntu Classic session
[09:33] <cryptk> that will pretty much put you into the normal gnome setup
[09:33] <cryptk> then you can do what many have done and install Gnome3, KDE, whatever you like
[09:33] <pa> ah thanks :)
[09:34] <eagles0513875_> ya i think atheros drivers are bugged
[09:34] <eagles0513875_> turns out they are part of the kernel
[09:34] <cryptk> are they part of the kernel? or a module?
[09:34] <cryptk> and do you get the same results running the non -pae kernel?
[09:34] <eagles0513875_> cryptk: kernel module
[09:34] <eagles0513875_> cryptk: im on 64bit
[09:34] <eagles0513875_> so no pae
[09:34] <eagles0513875_> im asking in ubuntu kernel
[09:35] <cryptk> oh, I thought you were the -pae guy
[09:35] <cryptk> there was a guy running the -pae kernel that was having the same issue
[09:35] <cryptk> and I think he was on atheros as well
[09:35] <eagles0513875_> i think its a bug with the kernel module itself
[09:35] <eagles0513875_> im asking in ubuntu-kernel
[09:36] <cryptk> yep, points that way
[09:36] <cryptk> have you tried grabbing the latest module source and compiling it yourself
[09:36] <eagles0513875_> cryptk: might try recompile the kernel
[09:37] <eagles0513875_> cryptk: no not yet only reinstalled this morning
[09:37] <cryptk> recompiling the kernel won't help if it is a module, recompile the module
[09:37] <eagles0513875_> where can i get a newer module
[09:37] <cryptk> unless you recompile the kernel with it built in
[09:37] <eagles0513875_> or newer kernel
[09:37] <eagles0513875_> kernel.org if i wanna go upstream
[09:38] <cryptk> yeah, I would try to replicate with latest stable kernel and see if you can replicate, maybe find the module source and recompile that and see if you can replicate
[09:38] <cryptk> maybe newer versions of the module source if available
[09:38] <eagles0513875_> ya gonna need to learn how at some point i have a project im bout to undertake
[09:38] <eagles0513875_> gearing up to develop a debian based gaming distro for gamers and game devs
[09:38]  * eagles0513875_ waits for the flac to start flying about another distro
[09:38] <cryptk> because for instance, if you can find a newer stable version of the module source and the problem go's away, then you could easily file a bug report with a solution already in there
[09:38] <eagles0513875_> ya
[09:39] <eagles0513875_> compilation on a netbook will take hrs though
[09:39] <cryptk> eagles0513875, why not instead of making a whole nother distro, make a PPA
[09:39] <cryptk> that just has pagkages for what;s needed
[09:39] <eagles0513875_> cryptk: was thinking of doing that as well
[09:39] <cryptk> override the stock ubuntu packages where needed, add new packages where needed
[09:39] <eagles0513875_> but ppa's are limited in size
[09:39] <eagles0513875_> and we were going to setup a total mirror fo playdeb.net
[09:40] <cryptk> and make a virtual package named ubuntu-gaming that depends on the other stuff, then it is just add PPA and install package
[09:40] <cryptk> well, for the packages that are the same as the stock ubuntu ones, you wouldn't need those in the PPA
[09:41] <eagles0513875_> ya thign is there is so much in the repos i was planning on providing a repo stripped down of all the unnecessary stuff so to speak
[09:41] <cinnabar12> this is the IRC for Ubuntu Natty rght?
[09:41] <cryptk> well, you could provide for instance an ubuntu-desktop package which overrides the stock one with different dependencies
[09:42] <cryptk> cinnabar12, yep
[09:42] <cryptk> then the packages that were automatically installed as part of ubuntu-desktop would go away
[09:42] <cryptk> or make a post-inst script in the ubuntu-gaming package that removes the un-wanted packages
[09:42] <eagles0513875_> cryptk: i asked to do another ubuntu branded distro for gaming and i was shut down on that
[09:42] <cinnabar12> gooood, I had my wifi card wrking momentarily and now whenever I try connecting to my network it just tells me I'm disconnected straight away, had problems with wifi card in Maverick soooo.......
[09:42] <cryptk> if you are clever you can fit massive amounts of stuff in a PPA
[09:43] <eagles0513875_> the problem cryptk i dont like having to wait for their build system
[09:43] <cryptk> cinnabar12, what kind of card
[09:43] <eagles0513875_> cryptk: im talking to upstream kernel channel
[09:43] <cinnabar12> cryptk. RT3090BC4
[09:44] <cryptk> eagles0513875, well, if you want you could make your own setup that runs on jenkins or something
[09:44] <cryptk> and have it create a repo from your source
[09:44] <cryptk> a cloud server/VPS would be a great place to do that
[09:44] <gnomefreak> yay finally got 2.6.38-8-generic-pae to boot without problems
[09:44] <eagles0513875_> gnomefreak: are you using atheros wifi card?
[09:45] <cryptk> hey eagles0513875 it was gnomefreak that was the -pae guy
[09:45] <cryptk> gnomefreak, were your issues with wifi?
[09:45]  * gnomefreak -pae :)
[09:45] <cryptk> what was wrong with it?
[09:45] <eagles0513875_> gnomefreak: are you also getting kernel panic when connecting to wpa2 wifi and the kernel panics
[09:45] <gnomefreak> cryptk: nope
[09:45] <lotia> anyone installing natty to a kvm host?
[09:45] <lotia> that is natty server?
[09:45] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875_: nope no wifi here
[09:46] <cryptk> hrm, I haven't yet, but I can create a Cloud Server real fast with 10.10 and update it to 10.04
[09:46] <eagles0513875_> cryptk: think im on my own
[09:46] <cryptk> but ehre we run on Xen
[09:46] <cryptk> eagles0513875, you may be...
[09:46] <eagles0513875_> cryptk: i have a vps with 10.04 on the cloud from the DC where im working
[09:46] <cryptk> eagles0513875, which DC?
[09:46] <eagles0513875_> cryptk: its a local dc
[09:46] <eagles0513875_> cryptk: website is bmit.com.mt
[09:46] <lotia> cryptk: i'm wondering what the difference between the "install a minimal system" and "install a minimal virtual machine" install options is
[09:47] <cryptk> lotia, one of them likely has support for paravirtualization operations ant other virtualization enhancements in it
[09:47] <cinnabar12> so no-one has any ideas why my wifi suddenly stopped working on reboot with RT3090BC4 card?
[09:48] <cryptk> cinnabar12, honestly I have no clue, that isn't a wifi chip that I have experience with
[09:48] <eagles0513875_> cryptk: got my answer
[09:48] <eagles0513875_> there was a patch to the kernel which fixed atheros cards causing panics
[09:48] <cryptk> NICE!
[09:49] <lotia> cryptk: thanks. that is what i was guessing.
[09:49] <cryptk> sounds like you have a fix, I would build the newer kernel, or maybe try applying the patch to the current kernel, see if it fixes it, and if it does file a bug report in launchpad!
[09:50] <lotia> just trying to figure out why theinstall gets messed up on my 9.04 based kvm host. i think i'll try noapic and nolapic during install
[09:50] <cryptk> I am not on the committee or anything, but something like a wifi card kernel pug causing panics may get through feature freeze
[09:51] <eagles0513875_> ya it should
[09:51] <eagles0513875_> i might take this to kubuntu-devel
[09:54] <cryptk> ok, Ubuntu 10.10 server created, now to update to 11.04 and see what happens
[09:55]  * cryptk loves being able to create and delete as many servers as he wants on the fly
[09:55] <eagles0513875_> lol
[09:55] <eagles0513875_> cryptk: im stuck on my server to 10.04
[09:55] <cryptk> yeah, I would never install this on a production system
[09:55] <eagles0513875_> will only upgrade next full LTS
[09:55] <cryptk> my production boxes are all 11.04 as well
[09:55] <cryptk> err 10.04
[09:55] <eagles0513875_> lol
[09:55] <cryptk> and the next update they get will be to LTS
[09:57] <eagles0513875_> ya mine will as well
[09:57] <eagles0513875_> can i setup the ubuntu cloud stuff on a single server or you need more than one server to run it
[09:59] <cryptk> eagles0513875, depends on what you are doing
[10:00] <cryptk> woot, 11.04 running on Rackspace Cloud!
[10:01] <cryptk> bring it on!
[10:01] <cryptk> no glitches or hitches, it just worked
[10:01] <cryptk> granted it was a fresh build, so there was nothing special on it, not even a LAMP stack
[10:02] <Lorthirk> hi cryptk, have you checked about gnome2 and gnome3 like i asked you yesterday?
[10:02] <cryptk> Ubuntu Classic was showing in the sessions list, but I could not successfully log into it
[10:02] <lotia> cryptk: do you work at Rackspace?
[10:02] <cryptk> shortly after login I jsut got a message saying "unable to start session Ubuntu Classic" with an OK button
[10:03] <cryptk> lotia, yes I do
[10:03] <lotia> cryptk: aha. which is why you can spawn machines at will.
[10:03] <lotia> nice.
[10:03] <cryptk> Lorthirk, with some work, I may be able to get them both running as valid sessions, but I haven't had time to look into that possibility
[10:03] <cryptk> lotia, yep, I can create as many as I need to test out whatever I want, lol
[10:04] <cryptk> comes in handy
[10:04] <eagles0513875_> cryptk: was going to setup my repos on my server and throw it on the cloud
[10:04] <Lorthirk> so it's not a "i install gnome3, log out and see both of them"?
[10:04] <lotia> i'm having an odd installation issue with an 11.04 guest install
[10:04] <lotia> when installing directly from the media
[10:04] <cryptk> well, they will both be in the list, but I was not able to successfully log into Gnome 2
[10:04] <lotia> or rather iso
[10:05] <cryptk> I don't know much KVM unfortunately lotia ... I am a Xen guy
[10:05] <Lorthirk> ok, thank you :)
[10:06] <lotia> cryptk: thanks for your help. more a statement than a request for help.
[10:06] <cryptk> lotia, if you can get a 10.10 install working, you can try installing that that and upgrading
[10:06] <lotia> trying to figure out if it's somehing i'm doing wrong or if it needs to be reported.
[10:07] <cryptk> ahh
[10:07] <cryptk> well, upgrading fro 10.10 to 11.04 on KVM may give hints, and would be a good test to run anyway
[10:08] <lotia> cryptk: good point.
[10:09] <lotia> will test that. but more bewildered why the 11.04 installer hangs.
[10:10] <decoder> guys, does anyone else of you have a regression with UMTS modems on natty?
[10:10] <decoder> i have a builtin usb modem that worked fine in 10.04 and 10.10
[10:10] <decoder> it fails now in 11.04 and it's not a network manager problem
[10:10] <decoder> wvdial fails as well
[10:10] <decoder> (worked before on 10.04)
[10:11] <decoder> *umts modem
[10:11] <decoder> it's an F3507g (ericsson) as found in many thinkpads
[10:11] <decoder> it's still recognized, /dev/ttyACM* is there, but it does not seem to associate anymore
[10:12] <eagles0513875_> cryptk: :)
[10:12] <Ian_Corne> gnome-settings-deamon keeps crashing after suspend
[10:15] <eagles0513875_> cryptk: have to file a bug and email a list about the patch etc
[10:15] <cryptk> http://184.106.108.100/
[10:15] <cryptk> there's the cloud server with 11.04
[10:15] <cryptk> already got wordpress on it, lol
[10:16] <eagles0513875_> haha
[10:16] <eagles0513875_> nice
[10:16] <eagles0513875_> i got 3 wp sites on the cloud
[10:16] <eagles0513875_> btw cryptk thanks gonna have a hack fest :p
[10:16]  * eagles0513875_ needs to backup stuff off my home server before getting it on the cloud
[10:19] <eagles0513875_> cryptk: thanks for the hackfest :p
[10:19] <cryptk> np man, I do what I can
[10:20] <eagles0513875_> haha
[10:20] <eagles0513875_> u got iptables setup on it at least
[10:21] <cryptk> nope
[10:21] <cryptk> no iptables configured
[10:21] <eagles0513875_> lol
[10:21] <cryptk> it is a throw away cloud server, it's gonna be deleted in a few minutes, lol
[10:21] <eagles0513875_> i woudl recommend it dude
[10:21] <eagles0513875_> lol
[10:21] <eagles0513875_> oh
[10:21] <eagles0513875_> haha
[10:21] <cryptk> I dare ya to hack it before I delete it
[10:21] <eagles0513875_> you setup word press on it to delete it
[10:21] <eagles0513875_> lol
[10:21] <cryptk> I was doing it as a test
[10:21] <eagles0513875_> lol
[10:22] <gnomefreak> i think gmail is kind of messed up. i clicked sign in as opposed to create an account. i signed in and it tells me congrauation for signing up for an account
[10:22] <cryptk> server go bye bye...
[10:23] <eagles0513875_> lol cryptk you on xen
[10:23] <bj0_> does 11.04 have aufs support?
[10:23] <eagles0513875_> xen in the cloud
[10:23] <cryptk> yep
[10:23] <cryptk> as far as xen
[10:23] <cryptk> and as far as aufs, not sure
[10:23] <bj0_> heh
[10:23] <eagles0513875_> bj0_: might need to recompile the kernel im not sure
[10:23] <bj0_> :(
[10:23] <cryptk> if you had asked 5 seconds earlier I would had an 11.04 server I could have checked on
[10:23] <eagles0513875_> cryptk: mind if i pm ya
[10:23] <cryptk> lemme make another one
[10:23] <cryptk> eagles0513875, go for it
[10:23] <gnomefreak> im guessing you have to have a server to run cloud. is this the same cloud that windows has?
[10:24] <eagles0513875_> bj0_: ask in ubuntu-kernel they can tell u if its included already in the kernel
[10:24] <cryptk> gnomefreak, what windows is advertising as a cloud si not a cloud
[10:24] <cryptk> it is file sharing and remote desktop
[10:24] <gnomefreak> good point
[10:24] <bj0_> eagles0513875_: i was asking questions in there, but they were talking about other things
[10:24] <eagles0513875_> cryptk: the dc i work is running vmware vsphere windows cloud
[10:24] <bj0_> heh
[10:24] <cryptk> what windows is advertising as cloud si about as far from cloud as you can get
[10:25] <eagles0513875_> cryptk: can i pm ya
[10:25] <cryptk> eagles0513875, sure
[10:25] <cryptk> bj0_, I am creating another 11.04 server to check for AUFS for ya
[10:25] <bj0_> cool
[10:25] <gnomefreak> bj0_: you do know that natty uses 2.6.38.* not 36 or 37
[10:25] <bj0_> yea
[10:25] <alkisg> Erm, I'm probably blind, but where's the natty beta 2 i386 iso? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/11.04/beta-2/
[10:25] <bj0_> i'm on 10.10
[10:26] <bj0_> i tried upgrading to .37 and .36, and neither had aufs support
[10:26] <bj0_> so i was wondering if natty's .38 does
[10:26] <unforgiven512> Anyone able to help me with an extremely...odd...issue?
[10:26] <gnomefreak> bj0_: in #ubuntu-kernel you asked about 36 and 37 not 38
[10:26] <unforgiven512> Or, perhaps confirm/deny it?
[10:26] <eagles0513875_> blarg quit by mistake
[10:27] <eagles0513875_> ask in ubuntu-kernel bj0_
[10:27] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875_: he did
[10:27] <alkisg> OK - found it at another URL, http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.04/
[10:27] <gnomefreak> alkisg: the link is in /topic of this channel
[10:28] <unforgiven512> It's quite possibly the weirdest bug I've ever encountered, anywhere.
[10:28] <bj0_> gnomefreak: yea i know i didn't ask about .38 specifically but i wasn't getting any responses to my other questions so i started asking around here :)
[10:28] <gnomefreak> ill be back i guess now is a good time to go back to HD. since flash is broken on hd and non-hd
[10:28] <alkisg> gnomefreak: OK, but while following that, there's the link that I pasted above. Thank you though.
[10:28] <cryptk> bj0_, 10.10 server installed, updating to 11.04
[10:28] <unforgiven512> I seem to have a "dead zone" about 5/8 of the way down my screen, where nothing responds to mouse clicks or anything. Move down or up about 10px and it works fine.
[10:28] <eagles0513875_> ahhh ok im getting my channels confused gnomefreak
[10:29] <bj0_> cryptk: you using a vm?
[10:29] <gnomefreak> :)
[10:29] <gnomefreak> reboot time. brb
[10:29] <cryptk> bj0_, yes
[10:29] <bj0_> oh you said xen up above
[10:29] <bj0_> heh
[10:29] <cryptk> bj0_ wasn't ehre when i mentioned where I work was he...
[10:29] <bj0_> nope
[10:30] <lotia> cryptk: upgrade works okay.
[10:30] <cryptk> PM'd ya where I work
[10:30] <unforgiven512> Anyone?
[10:30] <cryptk> so as to not get hammered for advertising, lol
[10:30] <lotia> acpi was causing the issue
[10:32] <cryptk> oooh, gonna have to convert this server to pv-grub to run a stock ubuntu kernel
[10:32] <cryptk> gonna take a few more minutes
[10:33] <bj0_> ever messed with arkose?
[10:33] <cryptk> nope
[10:33] <bj0_> thats what im trying to mess with, but it requires aufs
[10:34] <bj0_> made by an ubuntu developer, so i'd be kind of suprised if aufs didn't get back in the .38 kernel
[10:34] <bj0_> heh
[10:36] <Lorthirk> bj0_: maybe you already know, but http://aufs.sourceforge.net/
[10:36] <Lorthirk> read the introduction part
[10:37] <bj0_> ? you mean about the rejection?
[10:38] <Lorthirk> yep
[10:38] <bj0_> i read that, but it's in my ubuntu 10.10 install
[10:39] <Lorthirk> ok... i just googled about it, i don't even know what aufs is :)
[10:39] <bj0_> heh
[10:39] <bj0_> someone in #ubuntu-kernel said it was part of the ubuntu patches to the kernel
[10:40] <gnomefreak> than it is supported as long as they added the patches and more than likely they have
[10:40] <eagles0513875_> bj0_: you can do apt-get source  for the kernel and take a look when you run a make menuconfig
[10:40] <bj0_> i think 'apt-get source' is broken on my system
[10:41] <gnomefreak> thats odd. the work place switcher is no longer purple
[10:41] <gnomefreak> bj0_: what is the command you are trying to use?
[10:41] <eagles0513875_> gnomefreak: its apt-get source to get a source package right
[10:42] <bj0_> 'apt-get source linux-image-2.35-28-generic'
[10:42] <gnomefreak> as long as you have the scr repos installed and apt is working apt-get source shoudld work fine. apt-get source gets the version of the kernel that we have
[10:42] <gnomefreak> bj0_: are you on 11.04?
[10:42] <eagles0513875_> bj0_: make sure you have source repo enabled if its not then it wont work
[10:42] <bj0_> it hasn't worked for the last several times i've tried it
[10:42] <bj0_> no, i'm on 10.10 atm
[10:42] <eagles0513875_> bj0_: probably not enabled
[10:42] <gnomefreak> 2.35 is not in 10.10 repos
[10:43] <bj0_> ?? 10.10 runs on 2.6.35
[10:43] <gnomefreak> bj0_: than you need to upgrade first or use packages.ubuntu.com to get it
[10:43] <gnomefreak> sorry yeah 2.6.35
[10:43] <gnomefreak> bj0_ > 'apt-get source linux-image-2.35-28-generic'   bj0_
[10:44] <gnomefreak> that command is wrong since there is no 2.35
[10:44] <bj0_> 'apt-get source <anything>' always gives me the same error
[10:44] <bj0_> E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad.net__unity_ubuntu_dists_maverick_main_source_Sources - open (2: No such file or directory)
[10:44] <eagles0513875_> disable that ppa
[10:44] <eagles0513875_> or delete it from the source list
[10:44] <gnomefreak> bj0_: that is something that you shouldnt be using in 10.10 so im not suprised you get errors
[10:45] <bj0_> yea i didn't install unity...
[10:45] <bj0_> i duno whats up with that
[10:45] <bj0_> let me see if i can find the source
[10:45] <gnomefreak> bj0_: if you did apt-get upgrade you now have a system with mixed libs, it will break if it already hasnt
[10:46] <bj0_> i didn't do an upgrade
[10:46] <gnomefreak> gnome3+unity has major lib changes from 10.10
[10:46] <bj0_> i've limited my nattys to virtualbox
[10:46] <gnomefreak> bj0_: than why do you have the repo enabled, i find it hard you havent done any updates when that repo was enabled
[10:47] <bj0_> i duno, i have lots of 3rd party repos
[10:47] <bj0_> heh
[10:47] <bj0_> hard to keep track of them
[10:47] <bj0_> i found it
[10:48] <gnomefreak> please see #ubuntu since you are on 10.10. onc eyou have natty installed feel free to ask natty questions in here, including support
[10:48] <bj0_> i was asking a natty question
[10:48] <bj0_> when i came in...
[10:48] <cryptk> he is asking a natty question
[10:48] <cryptk> I am researching an answer for him
[10:48] <gnomefreak> but so far everything you have asked other than one or 2 things have been about 10.10 support
[10:48] <bj0_> cryptk: #ubuntu-kernel said it should have it
[10:49] <bj0_> gnomefreak: people have been asking me questions, i've been answering them :b
[10:49] <cryptk> ahh
[10:49] <gnomefreak> cryptk: than why is he looking for a kernel source for 10.10 kernels
[10:49] <bj0_> someone told me to look at the source
[10:51] <gnomefreak> i know but you kepts asking about 10.10 kernels not 2.6.38. and i told you to download it from packages.ubuntu.com since your sources list will not have that kernel
[10:51] <eagles0513875_> gnomefreak: i told him to look at the source
[10:51] <gnomefreak> s/kepts/kept
[10:51] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875_: see my comment above about packages.ubuntu.com
[10:52] <eagles0513875_> ya just saw it
[10:52] <eagles0513875_> forgot bout that site
[10:52] <gnomefreak> hmm it seems that HD adds white blocks to some things, including the icon in upper left corner
[10:53]  * gnomefreak goes for smoke to think
[10:57] <bj0_> on the plus side, this is the best way i've found to clean out broken repos
[10:57] <bj0_> ><
[11:07] <Narc> Hello everyone. Anyone else having this bug ? When I right-click on a contact in Empathy and go to Previous Conversations, the window gets ever larger in length and sometime make X crash. I reported a bug on Launchpad but no one seems to care...
[11:09] <Narc> Fully updated beta, Nvidia proprietary.
[11:24] <jcgs> hi does anyone know what to do if kpackagekit hangs? I'm not sure what's going to happen if i kill it half way through updating :S
[11:25] <Jerub> jcgs: type this: "ps auxwwf"
[11:25] <Jerub> that will tell you if it's got any subprocesses doing anything important
[11:26] <Jerub> if it does, wait for them to finish
[11:27] <jcgs> Jerub: all that does is fill up my terminal with unintelligible stuff :( what am i looking for?
[11:27] <Jerub> jcgs: find kpackagekit in the listing
[11:27] <Jerub> it will use little ascii art things to show anything that are subprocesses of it
[11:27] <Jerub> if you kill kpackagekit, it will probably kill them as well.
[11:28] <Jerub> so if you see apt or dpkg as a subprocess, it's probably not frozen, just waiting for an operation to finish and it's taking a while.
[11:28] <Jerub> on the other hand, if there's nothing beneath it, just kill it with extreme predjudice.
[11:28] <nebula> Help me for Nod32 install >>error "Please install the following files or packages: /usr/lib/gconv/UTF-16.so"
[11:29] <nebula> help ?!
[11:30] <jcgs> Jerub: http://paste.ubuntu.com/594425/ is that important? it's been going overnight, so i think it's probably been stuck in the same place for a loooooooooooong time :(
[11:30] <Jerub> nebula: i think that is now installed here: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gconv/UTF-16.so
[11:30] <Jerub> jcgs: it looks like it's stuck waiting for user input or something.
[11:31] <Jerub> kill 7700 and see if things come good in the ui
[11:31] <Jerub> it's not doing anything - only 20 seconds of cpu time used overnight
[11:33] <jcgs> Jerub: nothing happened still stuck :(
[11:33] <Jerub> kill it with fire
[11:33] <jcgs> Jerub: killed the parent process as a last resort
[11:34] <pvh> hey there, i've got a 2 day old natty install on a toshiba portege laptop. the screen stays uniformly dim, no matter what i do. anyone seen anything like this? any ideas?
[11:35] <nebula> Jerub, I have it but why can not I install nod32 gives me error this is what Please install the following files or packages: / usr/lib/gconv/UTF-16.so
[11:35] <nebula> Where is the problem because I'm with 11:04 maybe?
[11:36] <scoundrel50> nod 32 is a windows virus guard, not for Ubuntu yet
[11:36] <Jerub> nebula: the problem is that the file has moved
[11:36] <Jerub> scoundrel50: i don't know why you interjected with that.
[11:37] <scoundrel50> I'm sorry, I just posted, I wont do it again
[11:37] <Jerub> nebula: as root, run this: 'ln -s /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gconv/ /usr/lib/gconv'
[11:37] <Jerub> if you do that, nod32 may be able to find the library it needs.
[11:45]  * obengdako is away: Away obengdako is idling about
[11:45]  * obengdako is back (gone 00:00:06)
[11:46] <maxb> Is it expected that synclient (Synaptics touchpad configuration) no longer works on natty?
[11:46] <josip> hello... i need help with natty installation
[11:46] <maxb> Or do I have a local problem?
[11:48] <scoundrel50> Ok, i had a problem with my touchpad yesterday, there is something on Ubuntu forums about it. I tried a few thigns, evedntually got it to work, but couldnt tell you what it was that eventually did get it to work.
[11:48] <maxb> My touchpad works for pointer movement, but not scrolling
[11:49] <maxb> And I can't find any of the configuration tools or UI for this that I was used to in maverick
[11:49] <scoundrel50> try this, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad#shmconfig and there are a few other urls from forums that might work as well.
[11:50] <robin0800> maxb, gpointing-device-setting
[11:50] <scoundrel50> That didnt work for me,
[11:50] <josip> my ubiquity crashes when checking apt for cd...
[11:51] <cryptk> and there go's pv-grub on the 11.04 Cloud Server
[11:51] <cryptk> so now it is running an ubuntu supplied kernel
[11:51] <cryptk> the linux-image-virtual one
[11:52]  * obengdako is away: trying the away feature
[11:53]  * obengdako is back (gone 00:00:29)
[11:53] <scoundrel50> I'm still having problems with no backlight on my upgrade to Ubuntu 11.04, it still wont work
[11:53] <maxb> robin0800: There are no touchpad edge-scrolling settings in there
[11:54] <scoundrel50> try this debigging page, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingTouchpadDetection
[11:54] <scoundrel50> debugging, sorry
[11:56] <scoundrel50> Has anybody managed to work out how to fix the backlight problem in 11.04?
[12:00] <cryptk> I have only ever run it on my desktop and now on a cloud server...
[12:00] <cryptk> no experience with it on a laptop...
[12:01] <BajK> hmmm seems nastty doesnt start at all anymore :(
[12:01] <BajK> ah ok it starts with nomodeset
[12:03] <maxb> scoundrel50: Thanks. I think I have a problem of the kernel variety. My device is being detected as a PS/2 one not a SynPS/2 one
[12:04] <acicula> im having tis issue on natty http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.kvm.devel/68987 (bug in kvm causes freebsd in kvm/qemu to hang on boot)
[12:04] <acicula> they mention a git patch, but how do i check this patch made it into a current(or future) kernel
[12:06] <lotia> which package contains man? I mean the actual viewer?
[12:06] <lotia> i've installed a minimal VM guest and the manpages package is installed but the man viewer isn't
[12:07] <acicula> dpkg-query -S /usr/bin/man
[12:07] <cryptk> hrm... 11.04 works great on my xen hypervisor... unfortunately I have very little experience with KVM/qemu
[12:08] <lotia> acicula: thanks
[12:08] <acicula> cryptk: is the kernel ready to run as domU?
[12:09] <cryptk> the linux-virtual one works great
[12:09] <acicula> i thought that was for guest use
[12:09] <cryptk> in 10.04 and 10.10 the linux-image-server one worked as well
[12:09] <BajK> lol funny. If I'm lucky it starts right away, If I'm less lucky I have to remove that vm.whatever=7 thing from the grub command, If I'm even less lucky I also noeed to set gfxplayload to text and if I have no luck at all it starts only with nomodeset with a low resolution :D
[12:09] <cryptk> acicula, a DomU is a guest
[12:09] <cryptk> are you thinking of Dom0?
[12:09] <acicula> cryptk: oh then i get terminology confused
[12:09] <acicula> cryptk: yes
[12:10] <cryptk> well, you would need to use a Xen kernel to run a Xen hypervisor
[12:11] <lotia> acicula: the man viewer isn't installed
[12:11] <acicula> lotia: interesting, its in the man-db package
[12:11] <cryptk> ok, on this cloud server, 11.04, fully updated, booting with pv-grub so I can run an ubuntu-provided kernel, using latest linux-virtual kernel...
[12:11] <cryptk> 52MB of ram used
[12:11] <cryptk> 46MB ram used in single user mode
[12:11] <acicula> seems normal
[12:11] <cryptk> yep, that's pretty decent
[12:12] <cryptk> boots pretty darn fast also
[12:12] <cryptk> just a few seconds after grub prompt
[12:12] <scoundrel50> maxb: no problem, wish I could have helped more.
[12:12] <acicula> im just using qemu/kvm atm because it lets me easily tinker with the hypervisor code, xen seems kind of impractical for that. And its not really clear to me how the two approaches compare in terms of speed/scaling
[12:13] <cryptk> I have personally had better use out of Xen than back when I tried KVM, but depending on exactly what your needs are, each has it's pros and cons
[12:13] <BajK> ajh ok so the vgaswitcheroo thing was the cause for Compositngwasnt working, so the IGD turns on the DISCRETE not integrated, so it's vice versa on this machine, good to know^^
[12:13] <maxb> scoundrel50: Looks like it's a race condition - this has happened on this hardware in the past - some boots, the kernel doesn't detect the Synaptics extensions. I've just rebooted and it's fine (for now)
[12:14] <lotia> acicula: thanks. used your command on another machine and found it. much appreciated.
[12:14] <acicula> lotia: you should have man-db though
[12:15] <acicula> lotia: at least its part of the ubuntu-standard meta package
[12:15] <scoundrel50> maxb: that is good. I hope they manage to fix my p[roblem of the backlight no working on bootup of Natty, tried a few things, but nothing works
[12:20] <kl_> Hi is it possible to run unity, that is the panel, with another wm than compiz?
[12:22] <arand> kl_: Unity is in fact a compiz plugin afaik, so I imagine that would be tricky.
[12:22] <kl_> arand: I found the unity-panel-service not quite sure what how to run it
[12:26] <robin0800> kl_, you can run unity 2d that uses metacity
[12:27] <kl_> robin0800: I want replace with any wm not just metacity. Hench if there is a way to run just the panel
[12:27] <cryptk> not really
[12:27] <cryptk> it is tightly integrated with metacity and compiz
[12:27] <robin0800> kl_, try Classic
[12:28] <kl_> robin0800: classic does not give you the unity panel
[12:29] <cryptk> well, if you want the unity panel, then you need to have unity's dependencies
[12:29] <robin0800> kl_, so you can't do it its either compiz unity 3d or metacity unity 2d
[12:29] <cryptk> which would be either metacity with Qt 4.7 and QML for Unity 2D or Compiz for 3D
[12:31] <kl_> But is the panel standalone or a plugin?
[12:32] <robin0800> kl_, you can use the panel in classic but not the launcher
[12:33] <kl_> robin0800: ok
[13:07] <evelyette> hi, I would like to install this: https://launchpad.net/~infra-it.ru/+archive/updates/+buildjob/2444977 ... how can I do it... currently I have maverick ... and I suppose I can get the 0.8 version of libpam-ldapd with this update ... but no idea how to update ?
[13:08] <evelyette> but package libpam-ldapd in natty is only: Package: libpam-ldapd (0.7.13) [universe]
[13:25] <genux> I am using the latest 11.04 ubuntu with the latest update the mouse scroll wheel has gone really fast!!. any ideas
[13:32] <yofel> evelyette: that package is from the https://launchpad.net/~infra-it.ru/+archive/updates PPA, but they only have lucid packages, you could try to add the lucid sources for this PPA but there's no guarantee it'll work
[13:34] <cryptk> genux, the only 11.04 I have access to at the moment is a virtualized server... but there are mouse options in the system settings, try adjusting that
[13:36] <genux> cryptk: thanks, I have tried doing that via the system settings, but nothing appears to alter it
[13:36] <dustin> hi
[13:37] <genux> dustin: lo
[13:37] <dustin> ? lo : means
[13:38] <dustin> shadow1, are you here ?
[13:38] <Pici> dustin: No. He signed off.
[13:39] <dustin> in a hurry was he , well i was trying to help him  but he sings off before i get to
[13:39] <dustin> do you know what he was after ?
[13:40] <dustin> genux, hi
[13:42] <Pici> dustin: Well he was rather rude to me in pm after I asked him to join this channel.
[13:43] <torchie> huh!
[13:43] <torchie> I think the freezes might have gone away with free drivers under natty beta 2
[13:44] <yofel> *what* freezes, I know at least one that affects me with nouveau and is unfixed? ^^
[13:45] <torchie> where all freezes but cursor
[13:45] <torchie> but strangely something like a song would keep playing
[13:45] <dustin> really ... .... im pm what did he say ,
[13:45] <evelyette> yofel, I get: W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/infra-it.ru/updates/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/source/Sources.gz  404  Not Found
[13:45] <torchie> so far I've been up 5 hours though
[13:45] <yofel> evelyette: as I said, they don't have maverick packages
[13:45] <torchie> so I may just be getting lucky
[13:45] <evelyette> is because there's maverick in the URL
[13:45] <evelyette> yofel, yes but how can I change it to lucid ?
[13:45] <yofel> if you add the PPA make sure you change the sources to lucid after adding it
[13:46] <yofel> in the software sources -> other software tab?
[13:46] <evelyette> I only have console
[13:46] <evelyette> so /etc/apt/apt.d/ ?
[13:46] <yofel> then edit the file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[13:46] <dustin> so what chanell is this for ?
[13:48] <yofel> dustin: natty as the topic says
[13:48] <eagles0513875> woohhooo kernel recompile is in order
[13:48] <eagles0513875> as well i need to get a major patch pushed for atheros wifi cards
[13:50] <dustin> is that even download able? yet alph  or beta  or final ?
[13:50] <bazhang> dustin, yes
[13:52] <torchie> is there any way to make the unity search take up the whole screen every time instead of just part of the screen and then you resize?
[13:54] <evelyette> yofel, thanks it works ... can you tell me how did you find this info ... so I can look it up for myself next time
[13:58] <twager> All of the apps have gone from my sidepanel..I go down the bar with the mouse and the name of the app comes up but no logo..Any ideas
[13:58] <twager> ?
[14:05] <ActionParsnip> hey guys, is there a way to remove the workspace switcher from the unity bar?
[14:09] <yofel> evelyette: on the build page, there is an "Archive" link which links to the PPA, and if you click on "View package details" you'll see what packages are available for which release
[14:10] <yofel> or Series as it's called on the page
[14:10] <evelyette> yofel, build page ?
[14:11] <yofel> https://launchpad.net/~infra-it.ru/+archive/updates/+buildjob/2444977
[14:12] <evelyette> yofel, thank you
[14:20] <triunity> Mornin' everyone
[14:22] <triunity> I have a question, i have a computer with no graphics card (intgraded chip).  What will happen when i upgrade to 11.04?  Will ubuntu still suport old school computers?
[14:22] <bazhang> triunity, sure
[14:22] <triunity> Will unity work?
[14:22] <bazhang> 2D
[14:22] <triunity> unity 2D?
[14:22] <bazhang> yes
[14:23] <triunity> I ran unity on 10.10 for my laptop, and wanted to shoot myself it sucked so bad, when 11.04 comes out, can i switch back to good ol gnome?
[14:23] <bazhang> gnome-classic ?
[14:24] <yofel> ubuntu classic rather
[14:24] <triunity> Does it have "Desktop" version compairable to 10.10?
[14:24] <bazhang> sure
[14:24] <triunity> Ok :D
[14:24] <yofel> ubuntu classic is the gnome 2 desktop
[14:24] <bazhang> yofel, thanks
[14:24] <triunity> Sweet
[14:24] <yofel> unity 3D and classic are installed by default, unity-2d is in the archive
[14:25] <triunity> So, since my computer doesn't have 3d support, it will run classic?
[14:25] <yofel> should do that by default then yes
[14:25] <bazhang> mine does
[14:25] <triunity> Wonderful!
[14:25] <ActionParsnip> Unity 2D also uses metacity
[14:26] <triunity> Is there any rumor if ubuntu 12.04lts will be running traditional gnome, or unity?
[14:26] <bazhang> thats so far off
[14:27] <triunity> I know... but, my main desktop, only jumps on lts, because i actually need it to work
[14:27] <bazhang> thought 11.10 would be unity only
[14:27] <bazhang> !oneiric
[14:28] <arand> I have the impression that it will run unity/unity-2d
[14:28] <bazhang> unity 2D seems awfully fast currently
[14:29] <torchie> I've been thinking about ubuntu 20.04 personally
[14:29] <triunity> I just am scared about unity... it was so horrable in 10.10...
[14:29] <torchie> wowsers how bad was it in maverick
[14:29] <triunity> SOOO bad.
[14:29] <yofel> torchie: *that* is really to far away, and even for 12.04 there isn't anything more than rumors yet
[14:30] <triunity> Lucky when you install the netbook edition, you get the desktop as well, so i was saved from a reinstall
[14:31] <yofel> unity isn't that bad, what annoys me is the almost complete lack of panel settings :/
[14:31] <triunity> lol @ torchie I to wonder what ubuntu 20 will bring... maybe it will link directly to our mind!!!
[14:31] <jA_cOp_> While upgrading to 10.04 from 10.10 netbook edition, it asks for my keyboard model. I am using a Lenovo IdeaPad S10-2, which doesn't show up in the list. On Windows I use a 108-key Japanese keyboard driver, which works great. What should I do? I tried looking up the keyboard model on the Lenovo site, with no luck
[14:31] <jA_cOp_> err, 11.04*
[14:33] <triunity> Since unity is basically gnome, will all my shell scrips and python programs run fine on it?
[14:33] <triunity> Ohh and what version of python will 11.04 be using?
[14:35] <Roasted_> If I install 11.04 beta 2 and update it fully on release date, will that be "as good as" the final release of 11.04?
[14:35] <ecolitan> where can i find a list of all packages versions for 11.04 ?
[14:42] <ActionParsnip> triunity: yes,shuld be fine
[14:42] <triunity> Thanks, and do you know what version of python will be running?  2.6 like in 10.10 or 2.7 or 3.x?
[14:43] <evelyette> yofel, I was also wondering where the pam_mkhomedir package went ? ... ?
[14:43] <yofel> never heard of that, sry
[14:44] <charlie-tca> !final > Roasted_
[14:44] <cryptk> triunity, shell scripts depend on bash, python scripts depend on python
[14:44] <cryptk> neither will be affected by a change in window manager
[14:44] <cryptk> nd my install of 11.04 is running python 2.7.1+
[14:45] <eruditehermit> how do you turn off unity?
[14:45] <cryptk> not sure what the + is about though
[14:45] <yofel> eruditehermit: select ubuntu classic as session on the login screen
[14:46] <cryptk> eruditehermit, at the login screen, select the Ubuntu Classic session
[14:46] <eruditehermit> ah thanks
[14:46] <cryptk> that is pretty much Gnome 2
[14:46] <triunity> cryptk, never more obvious words have been spoken
[14:46] <eruditehermit> well it is still gnome 2 right
[14:46] <cryptk> yes
[14:46] <eruditehermit> I wanted to install gnome 3 from the ppa
[14:46] <eruditehermit> but I am afraid I won't be able to downgrade again
[14:46] <triunity> Cryptk, thanks about python version!
[14:46] <cryptk> I meant to say it is pretty much the same gnome2 as from 10.10
[14:46] <eruditehermit> ah
[14:46] <cryptk> just some updated packages
[14:46] <cryptk> np triunity
[14:46] <yofel> eruditehermit: you won't be able to downgrade, and it breaks unity too
[14:47] <cryptk> eruditehermit, downgrades can definitely be hairy
[14:47] <yofel> gnome3 I mean
[14:47] <eruditehermit> ppa-purge doesn't work?
[14:47] <cryptk> to downgrade back to 10.10?
[14:47] <eruditehermit> no
[14:47] <cryptk> oh, gnome3
[14:47] <eruditehermit> installing gnome 3 ppa
[14:47] <yofel> haven't tried that yet, but I think it didn't work for at least one person.
[14:47] <cryptk> well, it may, not sure
[14:47] <yofel> also I don't think the config files will still work with gnome2 after a downgrade
[14:48] <yofel> so that'll probably end in a mess
[14:48] <eruditehermit> the problems I have are when a new release comes PPAs mess up the upgrade
[14:48] <eruditehermit> I have to do ppa-purge on xorg-edgers every time I upgrade
[14:48] <cryptk> one hitch to remember when installing gnome3 from the ppa, after you do the dist-upgrade, you will need to then apt-get remove gnome-accessibility-theme, then do another dist-upgrade
[14:48] <cryptk> or remove the accesibility themes first
[14:49] <cryptk> eruditehermit, I installed 11.04 from a 10.10 install with xorg-edgers no problems
[14:49] <eruditehermit> screwed up for me
[14:49] <cryptk> the natty upgrade correctly disabled the PPA, updated the system, then I re-enabled it and installed updates from it
[14:49] <eruditehermit> kept on saying there were problems calculating the upgrade
[14:49] <cryptk> odd
[14:49] <eruditehermit> cryptk, the problem is the updated packages from edgers mess up dependencies
[14:49] <cryptk> maybe it has to do with what exact packages you had from it
[14:50] <eruditehermit> so I am afraid if I use the gnome3 ppa that something similar will happen
[14:50] <cryptk> I know what could cause the problems, I was just stating that I did exactly what you said, without issue, but you and I likely don't have the exact same packages installed from the xorg-edgers PPA
[14:50] <eruditehermit> yeah
[14:50] <eruditehermit> unity is too slow
[14:51] <eruditehermit> so I am going to have to go classic or gnome3
[14:51] <eruditehermit> unity also messes up flash
[14:51] <cryptk> I am personally loving gnome3
[14:51] <eruditehermit> cryptk, its worth the risk?
[14:51] <alienmindtrick> how do i make the top panel in natty autohide?
[14:52] <cryptk> I had flash issues as well, even in gnome3, I am on a 64 bit system and I changed from the 32bit flash to the 64 bit and they all went away
[14:52] <unforgiven512> I am having boot issues, which I believe are caused by ACPI and/or APIC, which is causing my boot process to hang by approximately 145 seconds. Here is a dmesg of a normal bootup, with the "hang": http://goo.gl/ioygb -- Here is a bootup, with ACPI APIC Support disabled in my BIOS, which does not result in the hang, however, I am only able to use one of my six CPU cores: http://goo.gl/ecXLI
[14:52] <cryptk> eruditehermit, that is a matter of personal opinion
[14:52] <cryptk> but I personally like gnome3, I know some people that don't
[14:53] <eruditehermit> gnome-shell and unity seem to have converged a lot
[14:53] <cryptk> there are similarities, but I like gnome3 while I loathe unity
[14:53] <Roasted_> In the current Beta 2 release of 11.04, can you re-arrange the icons in the Unity bar as well as auto hide the unity dock?
[14:53] <cryptk> on a side note, natty-server only uses 53MB of ram on a base install, found that out at work last night...
[14:53] <Roasted_> cryptk, is that less than previous server versions?
[14:54] <yofel> the unity bar should aut-hode by default, but I don't think you can rearrange the indicators
[14:54] <cryptk> well, I have a 10.10 server, but I can't compare them at all since that server also runs an IRC bot and proxy, full LAMP stack, several virtual hosts, etc
[14:54] <Roasted_> yofel, ew. is this expected to change by final release?
[14:54] <alienmindtrick> yofel:  can you make the top panel in natty autohide?
[14:55] <unforgiven512> Roasted_: You have to drag the icon left/right, "off" of the bar, then "drop" it where you want it. Just figured that one out a few minutes ago.
[14:55] <Roasted_> unforgiven512, oh nice. that's true even for the 10.10 ppa I'm currently running.
[14:55] <unforgiven512> Sweet
[14:55] <Roasted_> I wonder how different 10.10's PPA is from 11.04
[14:56] <unforgiven512> I was pretty worried about that at first
[14:56] <Roasted_> because I'd hate to reinstall Ubuntu right now... it'd be nice to use 10.10 for now and still get a taste of unity
[14:57] <ActionParsnip> Roasted_: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/06/unity-finally-lands-in-ubuntu-1010.html
[14:58] <eruditehermit> cryptk, is gnome-shell faster than unity in your experience?
[14:58] <Roasted_> last I used gnome shell, no.
[14:58] <Roasted_> but it's been a while
[14:58]  * thiebaude gnome3 is awesome
[14:58] <Roasted_> are the gnome shell developers still self righteous and ignore what the user base has to say?
[14:59] <cryptk> well, I can say now that I am on the latest nvidia driver gnome-shell is nice and snappy
[14:59] <cryptk> there was a bad nvidia driver bug slowing down the overview
[14:59] <thiebaude> cryptk, i use nvidia on it also :)
[14:59] <Roasted_> Is there an overview style thing for unity?
[14:59] <cryptk> but other than that my rig is fast enough that everything is snappy on it
[14:59] <cryptk> so it is hard for me to make a call on that one
[15:00] <bjsnider> Roasted_, the compiz expo plugin
[15:00] <Roasted_> bjsnider, thanks
[15:00] <Roasted_> Any idea what Unity is doing/has done in regard to dual screens with the 2nd monitor on the left?
[15:00] <bjsnider> basically just look at the workspace switcher
[15:02] <N3> halp
[15:02] <cryptk> my co-worker was asking me about that right before I left work
[15:02] <Roasted_> what, about the dual screen thing?
[15:02] <cryptk> Roasted_, try using xrandr to set a default monitor... I have no clue if it will work in unity, but it may
[15:02] <cryptk> yeah
[15:02] <N3> the whole minimize,maximize, exit buttons are gone
[15:02] <eruditehermit> brb
[15:02] <N3> anybody know what to do?
[15:02] <cryptk> he has dual screens with the second monitor on the left
[15:02] <N3> I have no window control
[15:02] <Roasted_> cryptk, well I wont be at my desk for 2 hours or so, where my 2nd monitor is. Im on the road with my laptop now.
[15:02] <cryptk> ahh
[15:03] <Roasted_> cryptk, then again, I am sitting here in a lab... I could plug in a CRT quick...
[15:03] <Roasted_> on the road as in - traveling from building to building @ work.
[15:03] <cryptk> well, when you get there, you /may/ be able to use xrandr to assign a primary monitor, I have never tried it with 11.04/unity, but that is where I would start
[15:03] <N3> I have no window control, can anybody help?
[15:03] <Roasted_> Im not betting this will work. Im on 10.10 with the unity ppa...
[15:04] <N3> anybody?
[15:04] <N3> :(
[15:05] <Roasted_> It seems to just default the main screen to be on the left
[15:05] <Roasted_> if I move my laptop to be the right screen, it forces the 2nd monitor to the right
[15:05] <Roasted_> I cant get it with laptop right - monitor left
[15:05] <yofel> !patience | N3
[15:05] <Roasted_> it just pushes the image over
[15:05] <yofel> N3: they are here for me at least
[15:06] <N3> ok?
[15:07]  * N3 waits patiently
[15:09] <N3> holy crap i fixed it partially
[15:09] <N3> if anyone would like to know its: metacity --replace
[15:13] <audhi> is anyone here?
[15:14] <thiebaude> audhi, yes,lol :)
[15:16] <unforgiven512> N3: What exactly is wrong? Have you tried playing with the stuff in "Appearance"?
[15:16] <audhi> thiebaude, software manager not working in ubuntu 11.04.say idea soon.
[15:16] <unforgiven512> N3: Another good option would be "Ubuntu Tweak" (available in PPA) under 'Window Manager Settings'
[15:17] <thiebaude> audhi, how is it not working?
[15:18] <audhi> it is not installing any software frank__
[15:18] <yofel> audhi: what happens if you try to?
[15:18] <audhi> frank__, join the discussion please dont quit
[15:19] <audhi> yofel, it comes one minus symbol in red box
[15:19] <yofel> without anything else o.O?
[15:21] <audhi> yes yofel.
[15:22] <yofel> check ~/.xsession-errors maybe, without an error message a error dialog is useless...
[15:23] <audhi> ok im leaving #ubuntu+1.no one is answering.
[15:23] <Pici> !patience | audhi
[15:24] <yofel> ...
[15:24] <charlie-tca> \o/
[15:24]  * Pici sighs
[15:25] <ecolitan> where can i find a list of all packages versions for 11.04 ?
[15:26] <Pici> ecolitan: http://packages.ubuntu.com ?
[15:27] <audhi> ecolitan, what type of packages?
[15:27] <N3> back
[15:28] <ecolitan> i was wondering what versions i'll be upgrading to
[15:28] <ActionParsnip> ecolitan: you can chat to ubottu if you want, she'll tell you
[15:28] <ActionParsnip> ecolitan: e.g.    /msg ubottu hi
[15:29] <ecolitan> i think the link  http://packages.ubuntu.com will be a good start
[15:29] <ActionParsnip> ecolitan: then in the new chat type things like:    !info gedit natty
[15:29] <ecolitan> thanks Pici
[15:29] <ActionParsnip> ecolitan: she'll tell you what you need
[15:29] <ecolitan> ok will try that too
[15:29] <ecolitan> msg ubottu hi
[15:30] <yofel> charlie-tca: btw, bug 696915 was fixed, xubuntu doesn't want a purple grub screen either, do you?
[15:30] <Saamm> i changed my pointer to different color from appearance settings but nothing happens in unity
[15:30] <charlie-tca> yofel: correct. We want the blue one
[15:31] <charlie-tca> cjwatson was working on fixing it for me.
[15:31] <yofel> ah k :)
[15:31] <charlie-tca> There was a new bug for it, since the purple showed up in Beta 2 testing again
[15:36] <Saamm> anyone know how to fix this- in natty --> Bug #459647
[15:37] <reagle> hi, testing out natty kubuntu. One thing I notice is that middle button click (actually, left + right on my trackball) calls up a context menu rather than pasting. How can I go back? It looks like some mess with their Xorg.conf., but I don't have one...?
[15:37] <yofel> Saamm: that bug says it was fixed in maverick
[15:37] <Saamm> yofel, uhm i said its a problem in natty
[15:38] <Saamm> yofel, its back
[15:38] <yofel> Saamm: then file a new bug and add the regression-release tag
[15:39] <Saamm> yofel, can't i add that its affects natty too?
[15:40] <yofel> Saamm: we don't reopen bugs that were properly fixed
[15:41] <yofel> if it's a regression it's a new bug
[15:41] <Saamm> yofel, ok i am filing a new bug now...
[15:41] <reagle> that is, is there a way to Emulate3Buttons without Xorg.conf?
[15:42] <Daekdroom> !info libtxc-dxtn0
[15:42] <Daekdroom> So it's from a PPA..
[15:42] <yofel> reagle: the middle button emulation was remove from the driver, there was a note in the relase notes how to get it back I think
[15:43] <reagle> yofel, OK will look
[15:43] <ActionParsnip> Daekdroom: you can run: apt-cache policy libtxc-dxtn0      to check
[15:44] <Daekdroom> No description.
[15:44] <Daekdroom> Time to google.
[15:45] <Daekdroom> Library necessary for S3TC support by the video driver, apparently.
[15:46] <reagle> yofel: here we go https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Quirks#2-button Mice
[15:57] <kevin6888> wow, only 72b difference from the iso i had from yesterday
[16:00] <Daekdroom> zsync is that awesome.
[16:02] <yofel> only a few isos needed a respin so most haven't changed at all
[16:02] <kevin6888> i actually used rsync
[16:02] <kevin6888> any ideas on how to create a live usb with dd?
[16:02] <kevin6888> should just a basic dd of the iso to usb be enough?
[16:04] <gordonjcp> kevin6888: no, dd-ing the iso to a USB stick doesn't work
[16:05] <kevin6888> gordonjcp: drat
[16:05] <gordonjcp> you can use usb-creator or unetbootin
[16:05] <gordonjcp> usb-creator is fiddly, unetbootin is fiddly and crap
[16:05] <kevin6888> yeah, i've used usb-creator
[16:06] <gordonjcp> I don't know why Ubuntu only releases .iso files
[16:06] <kevin6888> what other files are there?
[16:07] <gordonjcp> kevin6888: well, a straight USB image would be good
[16:07] <gordonjcp> that you could just dd onto some sort of media
[16:07] <gordonjcp> even another disk partition
[16:08] <kevin6888> gordonjcp: oh, i see.  that's kind of interesting.
[16:08] <kevin6888> i tried dd'ing fedora to a usb, but that didn't work either, all i found were isos there as well
[16:09] <kevin6888> maybe some day there will be a usb file then
[16:11] <yofel> kevin6888: if you frequently test the iso images you could use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/MultipleISOBootUSBKey once you have grub set up you can just refresh the iso images on the drive
[16:11] <yofel> I didn't find out how to use that for alternate images though
[16:11] <gordonjcp> yofel: interesting
[16:11] <philsf> I heard natty wouldn't have a systray area anymore, so I wasn't surprised when my dropbox icon didn't show up, but the skype one does. How is this possible? Is this a skype-only thing, or can I configure dropbox to appear as well?
[16:12] <kevin6888> yofel: i'll check it out
[16:13] <kevin6888> thanks
[16:13] <arand> philsf: Whitelisting
[16:13] <kevin6888> yofel: you're all kinds of helpful.  are you unemployed?
[16:13] <arand> philsf: Specific apps can use it, most not, afaik
[16:13] <yofel> kevin6888: nope, student, and todays the last free day before the new semester starts :P
[16:14] <Necrosporus> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/701173 there is a bug in Ubuntu, but it is not even assigned yet. however, it's easy to fix as renaming two files in the package. I don't know, it this bug present in the latest beta, but it was in several Alphas. Would anyone fix it before the release?
[16:14] <philsf> arand, where can I read more about this?
[16:14] <robin0800> philsf, it depends whether there in an indicator-dropbox file these are needed to make icons now appear
[16:14] <Necrosporus> BCM 4313 doesn't work out of the box, without renaming or symlinking two files
[16:15] <arand> philsf: I may be incorrect on this one, though..
[16:15] <incorrect> that would be me
[16:15] <philsf> lol
[16:15] <lcb> correct
[16:16] <arand> philsf: Links via https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana might be relevant, albeit a bit dated maybe..
[16:16] <arand> incorrect: Am I you?
[16:16] <lcb> if arand is incorrect who the hell is incorrect?:o
[16:16] <kevin6888> yofel: are you aware if it is possible to format a partition on a hdd to allow for booting from multiple isos?
[16:16] <incorrect> i don't know who i am
[16:16] <nitroxidus> hi.is there any way to start indexing of "files and folder lens" in ubuntu 11.04
[16:16] <nitroxidus> beta  2
[16:17] <incorrect> i should come up with a better nick
[16:17] <lcb> incorrect, probably aran
[16:17] <lcb> arand too
[16:17] <incorrect> well if he isn't feeling himself
[16:17] <lcb> yep, personality disorder
[16:18] <yofel> kevin6888: I'm not sure what you mean, but you could add the same grub.cfg lines to /etc/grub.d/40_custom if you want to keep the isos on your HDD
[16:20] <kevin6888> yofel: interesting, something to investigate.  thanks
[16:21] <nitroxidus> Is there any way to start indexing of "files and folder lens" in ubuntu 11.04 beta 2
[16:21] <yofel> as the flash drive you setup there is nothing else than a OS-less drive with grub on it
[16:21] <Zaherux> I installed KDE alongside GNOME a while back, and not the splash screen says kubuntu. Does this mean when I update to 11.04 it'll be kubuntu 11.04?
[16:21] <yofel> Zaherux: as long as both kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop are installed you'll keep both
[16:22] <yofel> Zaherux: run 'sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth' if you want to change the splash
[16:22] <Zaherux> Ahhh cool. Does it matter what DE I update from?
[16:22] <genii-around> Zaherux: Whichever *ubuntu-desktop you install last is the splash you see, but it doesn't affect the other desktop environments you have also installed
[16:22] <ceed^> Is there a way to have programs not show up in the Unity launcher? An example is Evolution which always is accessible from the notification are and doesn't need a launcher entry.
[16:22] <Zaherux> Thanks
[16:22] <ceed^> *area
[16:23] <yofel> Zaherux: it shouldn't matter, they all use update-manager
[16:24] <Zaherux> cheers
[16:28] <nitroxidus> Is there any way to start indexing of "files and folder lens" in ubuntu 11.04 beta 2
[16:28] <aljosa> will ubuntu server 11.04 release be LTS release?
[16:29] <genii-around> No
[16:29] <yofel> aljosa: no, 10.04 is the last and 12.04 will be the next
[16:29] <nitroxidus> anyone
[16:30] <aljosa> when is 11.04 EOL?
[16:30] <genii-around> !eol
[16:30] <arand> aljosa: +18months
[16:31] <aljosa> thanks for info
[16:31] <charlie-tca> nitroxidus: I see that question many times already, maybe try re-wording it.
[16:32] <charlie-tca> I don't know what you mean by "files and folder lens"
[16:32] <nitroxidus> super+f activates search
[16:32] <nitroxidus> is there any way to start indexing manualy
[16:33] <nitroxidus> :)
[16:41] <adrian_kx> any of u have broken flash package in beta2?
[16:42] <adrian_kx> dependencies arent met and apt cant install it because of dependencies
[16:42] <yofel> flash is fine for me on 32bit.
[16:44] <adrian_kx> on 64 bit cant install 32 bit dependencies
[16:44] <adrian_kx> the problem is upstream
[16:45] <adrian_kx> so unless they fix repositories i am out of luck
[16:46] <elias> how can i restart alsa? under "sound preferences" in the "hardware" tab my soundcard is missing
[16:46] <yofel> !flash64 | adrian_kx you could try this one too
[16:46] <elias> (without reboot, that is, if there is a way)
[16:48] <adrian_kx> thanks
[16:48] <adrian_kx> i can live without flash mostly:)
[16:48] <adrian_kx> for youtube i use html5
[16:56] <psusi> wait, you can use youtube without flash now?  I can finally have a crapware free system?
[16:56] <psymin> How can I disable ACPI in Ubuntu 11.04 beta? :)
[16:57] <yofel> boot with 'acpi=off' I would say
[16:57] <yofel> psusi: http://www.youtube.com/html5
[16:57] <torchie> alright
[16:57] <torchie> machine's still runnin
[16:58] <torchie> I wonder if this is a bugfix or related to the number of random checkboxes I checked in ccsm
[16:58] <psymin> sounds like acpi=off has no effect :(
[16:59] <yofel> :/
[17:01] <psusi> damn... seems it still uses flash for videos with adds
[17:03] <samuellllllll> Hi om26er
[17:04] <samuellllllll> I'm not sure I like the Unity taskbar
[17:04] <samuellllllll> And the application launcheer
[17:04] <charlie-tca> You mean you can utube and not have advertising flashing at you now!
[17:04] <samuellllllll> It seems to try and do too much and make simple application launches harder.
[17:04] <samuellllllll> charlie-tca: I've done it for years, it's called Adblocker :D
[17:05] <charlie-tca> but you don't need flash installed now, you shouldn't need adblocker either
[17:06]  * charlie-tca dumps most of the ads to 127.0.0.1 anyway
[17:06] <Kyle__> When 11 is released, will it include the drivers & scripts to install on Apple hardware, or will there still be a seperate remix for that?
[17:07] <charlie-tca> Kyle__: apple hardware as in computer, ppc, or ??
[17:08] <Kyle__> charlie-tca: apple hardware as in contemporary EFI booting X86_64 intel processor machines.
[17:08] <Kyle__> charlie-tca: Apple hasn't used ppc in a long time :)
[17:08] <om26er> samuellllllll, did you want to ask anything?
[17:09] <samuellllllll> om26er: I don't like the Unity taskbar and app launcher
[17:09] <samuellllllll> om26er: It's too complicated
[17:09] <Pici> Then don't use it.
[17:09] <pietro10> you can switch back to GNOME...
[17:10] <pietro10> but it will still be GNOME2
[17:10] <samuellllllll> Gnome is dead now that Shell and Unity are released.
[17:10] <om26er> samuellllllll, yes as pietro10 try classic
[17:10] <charlie-tca> use the mac 64 iso image, that is what it is for
[17:10] <om26er> samuellllllll, I believe by 11.10 you'll definitely like unity
[17:10] <samuellllllll> om26er: Why?
[17:11] <om26er> "we will rule the world" :D
[17:11] <samuellllllll> om26er: I mostly just miss the old application menu which made launching programmes so simple
[17:11] <samuellllllll> programs*
[17:11] <charlie-tca> Kyle__: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ has an image specifically for that
[17:11] <yofel> not as long as you don't add some level or configurabilit
[17:11] <om26er> samuellllllll, now the real quick way is to press the <super> key and type the app name
[17:11] <om26er> now it search and start, not navigate and start
[17:11] <Kyle__> charlie-tca: Right, but will it change when 11 is officially released?  Will it be one <st>ring</st> disc to rule them all as it were?
[17:12] <samuellllllll> om26er: I can't remember app names, I don't want to remember 5 button presses either
[17:12] <charlie-tca> Kyle__: What is there now is what will be, if we have people to test the image
[17:12] <yofel> Kyle__: no, and considering how many images we have you would need a blue ray for that
[17:12] <om26er> samuellllllll, if you don't remember the name you could search for what it does
[17:13] <samuellllllll> om26er: I used to before just press the appmenu button, move mouse to the category, then click on the program
[17:13] <charlie-tca> the issue is getting someone with the equipment to test it before release
[17:13] <samuellllllll> om26er: Okay, I'll try that
[17:13] <Kyle__> yofel: It's a few drivers & the EFI scripts for grub.  Not a huge set of differences to get it to load on mac x86 hardware.  But I understand.
[17:13]  * Kyle__ still thinks there should be a one-ring installer though...even if it was bluray.
[17:14] <om26er> samuellllllll, personally unity have made app launching *really* quick for me
[17:14] <Kyle__> charlie-tca: I'll need to post my bugs then, regarding my experience booting it on a new mac-mini.
[17:14] <yofel> I don't see how unity makes it any faster than it already was with gnome-do
[17:14] <samuellllllll> om26er: Why are the shortcuts so random?
[17:15] <om26er> samuellllllll, they are not, alt+f1, alt+f2 came from classic, we changed some so that they make more sense
[17:15] <Kyle__> yofel: Isn't unity more designed to optimize the viewing/working exderience on a small screen, mor than optimizing for speed?
[17:15] <pietro10> everone has a different experience...
[17:15] <pietro10> *everyone
[17:15] <yofel> Kyle__: that doesn't count if you use it on desktop systems
[17:15] <pietro10> the beta is complaining that my Precision M6400 (look up the specs on that) can't run Unity because my computer is not powerful enough
[17:15] <samuellllllll> om26er: Do I have to have launchers in my taskbar?
[17:16] <yofel> pietro10: if you have the nvidia ones you might need to install the drivers first
[17:16] <om26er> samuellllllll, try this http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts
[17:17] <pietro10> yofel: hm... I had to deactivate those when I upgraded to 11.04alpha because the system wouldn't boot...
[17:17] <pietro10> would that be a reason Compiz's Enhanced Zoom Desktop doesn't work?
[17:17] <yofel> ah, back then X was broken, but nouveau doesn't support all featues that compiz needs I think
[17:17] <yofel> er, nvidia didn't work with new X
[17:18] <pietro10> and now?
[17:19] <yofel> nvidia 270 works fine here
[17:19] <pietro10> ok then, I'll try it
[17:19] <coz_> hey all
[17:21] <Chris___> How can I change my login splash screen on Natty? I don't see the option in System > Admin > Login
[17:22] <coz_> Chris___,  I believe it is the same as on maverick and lucid hold on
[17:22] <coz_> Chris___,   follow this    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/GDM/GDM-NEW.txt
[17:22] <coz_> Chris___,  I will test it here as well
[17:23] <Abhinav_> I am having some problems in installing beta2 with wubi. Log: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/594537/
[17:25] <Abhinav_> Is it a bug? It gives an error when it is trying to make  an entry in the BCD
[17:26] <Chris___> coz_: that brought up the System > Prefs > Appearance screen
[17:26] <Chris___> didn't let me change the login splash screen
[17:27] <coz_> Chris___,  yes it does but as "root"  so only the log in will be changed when you change the theme
[17:27] <Chris___> but there was no option to install a new login theme
[17:27] <coz_> Chris___,  just change the "system" theme in the appearance dialog,, and ONLY  the login screen wil change
[17:27] <Chris___> hmm
[17:27] <Chris___> ok..
[17:27] <coz_> Chris___,  no  no option for new login screen unless you install a new gtk2 theme
[17:28] <coz_> Chris___,  the option to actually install a separate gdm theme is gone
[17:30] <Abhinav_> Has anyone been able to install beta2 thru wubi?
[17:30] <coz_> Abhinav_,  sorry guy,, I have never used wubi
[17:31] <om26er> Abhinav_, double click and install not working?
[17:31] <Abhinav_> om26er, no. It is giving me error when it comes to make a bootsector. I have the log here: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/594537/
[17:32] <om26er> :|
[17:32] <pietro10> also, what is the "Broadcom STA Wireless Driver" and what makes it different from b43?
[17:34] <pietro10> meh
[17:36] <pietro10> yofel: thanks that did help
[17:36] <pietro10> however now it booted to unity, and the whole screen doesn't zoom
[17:36] <pietro10> only the workspace area
[17:36] <coz_> Chris___,  you can however change the wallpaper background for gdm..
[17:36] <pietro10> how do I get everything to zoom, including the sidebar and top bar?
[17:52] <coz_> pietro10,  did you enable ezoom plugin in ccsm?
[17:52] <coz_> pietro10,  although I am not sure that is what you mean
[17:52] <pietro10> I did
[17:53] <pietro10> what I'm saying is in Unity, only the workspace area zooms; not the side bar and top bar whatever they're called
[17:53] <pietro10> I'd rather the whole screen zoom as I can't see the unzoomed screen too well =P
[17:53] <coz_> pietro10,  right I see now...mm... I didnt try to include those in the  expo plugin
[17:53] <pietro10> ?
[17:54] <coz_> pietro10,  when you zoom on the workspaces  that is the "expo" plugin in ccsm
[17:54] <pietro10> ok
[17:54] <coz_> pietro10,  but i dont see a way of including anything else within the plugin,, no window rules matching for it
[17:54] <pietro10> oh ok, eh :/
[17:55] <pietro10> thanks anyway
[17:55] <coz_> pietro10,  sorry,,, you could go to #compiz-dev and speak with smspillaz  to see if it is possible to include window matching in expo
[17:56] <pietro10> ?
[17:56] <pietro10> eh, it doesn't really make much of a difference if I can still use GNOME — my primary use for linux is cross-platform development (and games =P )
[17:57] <coz_> pietro10,  ah ok
[17:58] <pietro10> but I'll keep that in mind, thanks
[17:58] <coz_> pietro10,   there is an experimental plugin named   "Static"  which grabs the entire desktop and allows it to be zoomed
[17:59] <coz_> pietro10,  I havent tried it with natty on Unity yet
[17:59] <pietro10> ok, thanks for the info =P
[17:59] <coz_> no problem
[17:59] <pietro10> also, what's going to be used for the login session in final 11.04 — gdm as well?
[18:00] <coz_> pietro10,  to be honest I am not sure,, I would assume it is gmd
[18:00] <coz_> gdm
[18:00] <pietro10> ok
[18:04] <psusi> Kyle__: isn't that what the dvd image is for?
[18:04] <pietro10> finally (last question before I finally have everything set up =P )
[18:04] <pietro10> how do I change the default boot item in whatever 11.04 is using now? I used to use Startup-Manager but that's reading the 10.10 grub2 conifguration...
[18:07] <enli> pietro10: edit /etc/default/grub option GRUB_DEFAULT
[18:07] <enli> afterwards run, sudo update-grub
[18:07] <pietro10> .ok
[18:08] <pietro10> enli: that still has my old default...
[18:08] <pietro10> the 11.04 update wiped alot of the boot options, but the old list is still there
[18:08] <pietro10> * a lot
[18:09] <enli> have you tried changing "GRUB_DEFAULT"?
[18:09] <pietro10> no see I'm looking at that file now
[18:09] <pietro10> it says GRUB_DEFAULT 10
[18:09] <pietro10> ...but I only have 6 option sin my boot list, and the first one is the default
[18:10] <enli> alright, so which entry you want to set as your default OS?
[18:10] <pietro10> the fifth (windows xp, which I still use for other stuff)
[18:10] <enli> so you set GRUB_DEFAULT=4
[18:10] <hechu> hi, I bought a new laptop with Intel Sandy Bridge I5 chipset (CPU and integrated GPU). it seems 10.10 did not support the graphics card. I installed Natty, the new kernel and driver can support my graphics card, but seems often crash. is there suggestion?
[18:10] <enli> because counting starts from 0
[18:11] <enli> after you change that, dont forget to do "sudo update-grub"
[18:12] <pietro10> enli: al wait, I see
[18:12] <pietro10> it condensed all the older kernels into Previous Linux Entries
[18:12] <pietro10> which explains a lot
[18:12] <pietro10> thanks
[18:12] <pietro10> (also that's a good thing, good job — last time I had to scroll down quite a bit to get to windows)
[18:12] <enli> you are welcome ;)
[18:14] <hechu> hi, is any body has experience on the new Intel Sandy Bridge chip-set ? any suggestions.
[18:26] <psusi> hechu: any suggestions on what?
[18:27] <rr0hit> can someone using unity pls try to reproduce bug 762001...its a fun bug !!
[18:29] <bhavesh> I am upgrading to 11.04 through update manager and its half done. Now I need to close my computer, will it cancel my upgrade?
[18:29] <KM0201> rr0hit, it looks normal to me
[18:29] <KM0201> bhavesh, lol, why did you start an upgrade if you'd need to close your computer?
[18:29] <bhavesh> KM0201 : Its 1 hour to midnight now ...
[18:29] <KM0201> bhavesh, but i'd say there's a good chance if it's installing updates and you turn it off, it's gonna brick it.
[18:29] <rr0hit> KM0201: It is not happening for you ? or You suggesting that it is not a bug but an expected behaviour?
[18:30] <KM0201> bhavesh, well, go to bed and just let it update while you sleep
[18:30] <KM0201> rr0hit, it seems to be an expected behavior.
[18:30] <bhavesh> so it will cancel the upgrade if I close it?
[18:30] <rr0hit> KM0201: Why would some one want window shifted?
[18:30] <KM0201> bhavesh, very unlikely
[18:31] <KM0201> rr0hit, maybe i'm not following you, what do you mean "shifted".. when i double click the title bar, the window maximizes
[18:31] <rr0hit> KM0201: watch the video attached. I think that would be clearer.
[18:32] <rye> KM0201, drag a window say halfway off the current workspace, maximize window. Window is now on another workspace maximized
[18:33]  * rye was here earlier asking for pretty much the same
[18:33] <KM0201> rye, oh ok.. now after watching the video, i see the issue
[18:33] <KM0201> to me, this would be expected.. if it's halfway off the current workspace, and it's maximized, it's simply gonna choose a workspace to occupy.
[18:33] <KM0201> that doesn't seem like a bug to me
[18:33] <rr0hit> KM0201 , rye , could anyone of you just confirm it? :)
[18:34] <KM0201> rr0hit, yes, i've confirmed it, just done it.
[18:34] <KM0201> but that doesn't look like a bug to me
[18:34] <rye> rr0hit, wow, your maximizing/unmaximizing video is also telling us that window is crawling outside the workspace
[18:34] <rye> KM0201, i think window should restore to the same location, not sneakily crawl to the neighbor workspace :)
[18:35] <rr0hit> KM0201: That happens even for windows at the center. I actually moved it from center to another workspace in 3 cycles. Which should happen a lot. I guess
[18:35] <KM0201> yeah, i see the problem now.
[18:35] <KM0201> the way the window is crawling off the work space
[18:35] <KM0201> and no, i've not gotten that to happen
[18:35] <KM0201> i had to actually move the window
[18:36] <rye> KM0201, my firefox has just crawled away :)
[18:36] <hechu> psusi, thank you for your reply. I need suggestions about driver support  on my Intel Sandy Bridge GPU.
[18:36] <rr0hit> rye: :D
[18:36] <KM0201> rye, lol, i can't get it to do it...
[18:37] <hechu> psusi, it seems the only thing I can do is waiting.
[18:37] <rye> KM0201, try doubleclicking the titlebar/globalmenu
[18:37] <rr0hit> rye: can you confirm the bug?
[18:37] <KM0201> rye, i did.
[18:37] <rye> rr0hit, yes
[18:38] <hechu> psusi, I got some information from other channel about it : http://askubuntu.com/questions/22237/when-will-we-get-sandy-bridge-support
[18:38] <KM0201> rye, i wonder if it's cuz i locked my sidebar, the reason its not happening to me.
[18:39] <rye> rr0hit, confirmed, subscribed, marked as affecting me
[18:39] <rr0hit> rye : :)
[18:39] <KM0201> now i feel left out.
[18:39] <rye> KM0201, which sidebar is locked?
[18:40] <rye> KM0201, the launcher?
[18:40] <rye> hmmm
[18:40] <KM0201> rye, yes.
[18:41] <rye> KM0201,hm, no, even with locked launcher it is still running away
[18:41] <KM0201> rye, hmm, well then i'm just awesome, cuz its not happening to me
[18:41] <KM0201> lol
[18:41] <rr0hit> rye : But if you try repeatedly, you can see that window shuttles between two workspaces only and does not move on to the third. I suspect it has got smthing to do with the dual screen support
[18:42] <rye> rr0hit, at the moment I have only one display attached.... but it is definitely escaping to the right
[18:43] <rr0hit> rye : and it comes back to the first one on a few more cycles :D
[18:43] <rye> rr0hit, i suspect my original bug is not the same as yours, I was complaining of the windows opening on another workspaces, but your one is about the window escaping
[18:44] <rr0hit> yes..i am talking of the window slipping off to the next workspace
[18:45] <rr0hit> rye: what you mentioned in the comment is exactly my problem
[18:52] <bullgard4> My Banshee 2.0.0 plays a song in the smart playlist Music > Unheard again and again without transferring the entry in Music. Properties shows LastPlayed=19:37 and Play Count=0. What can I do to fix this?
[18:52] <saege> hey, i installed kde + plasma in ubuntu 11.04 but the gtk-programs looks weird, any ideas which package to install for a "normal" gtk look under kde?
[18:56] <KM0201> rr0hit, rye  not sure why it wouldn't do it for me... http://s82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/IndyGunFreak/?action=view&current=output.mp4
[18:57] <KM0201> rr0hit, was i doing something you guys werent?
[18:57] <rr0hit> KM0201: looks like you did the same thing !!
[18:57] <KM0201> hmm
[18:57] <KM0201> now i feel left out
[18:57] <KM0201> even more so
[18:57] <KM0201> lol
[18:58] <rr0hit> KM0201: haha..feeling left out that "I am not experiencing that bug !!" :D
[18:58] <KM0201> :)
[18:58] <KM0201> well you have to admit, it's kind of obscure.
[18:59] <patdk-wk> the video needs a soundtrack :)
[18:59] <KM0201> i'm honestly surprised someone actually noticed it..lol
[18:59] <KM0201> patdk-wk, lol, maybe next time
[18:59]  * patdk-wk can't play, no unity here :(
[19:00] <KM0201> i didn't like unity at first, but it's kinda growing on me.. it's far from perfect, but it's way better than it was in 10.04/10.10... hopefully by 11.10, or 12.04, it will be very good.
[19:01] <KM0201> i tried Gnome3 yesterday.. oh my goodness what a mess
[19:01] <KM0201> i'd have to switch to lxde if thats what i was gonna be stuck w/.
[19:01] <KM0201> cuz i despise kde
[19:02] <kevin6888> unity feels like compiz w/ docky to me
[19:02] <kevin6888> oh, and the gnome panel on the top
[19:03] <bjsnider> kevin6888, you wrong. you're terribly, terribly, terribly wrong
[19:03] <KM0201> i kindna miss the gnome panel... and some of the applets i had up there
[19:03] <KM0201> if i could get system monitor into notification area, i'd be happy...
[19:04] <bjsnider> you could use the system monitor indicator
[19:04] <bjsnider> it's in a ppa
[19:04] <bjsnider> and there's a weather indicator
[19:04] <kevin6888> bjsnider: no u
[19:05] <KM0201> bjsnider, where is the system monitor indicator?...
[19:05] <KM0201> i've been looking for it, and the one i found, was nothing like the old panel applet
[19:05] <bjsnider> in a ppa
[19:05]  * KM0201 found the weather applet, it works great
[19:06] <KM0201> bjsnider, hm.. i bet it's the one i found yesterday... it's not near as good as the panel applet
[19:06] <bjsnider> not yet
[19:06] <KM0201> i like system monitor, cuz when i see something hogging up my memory and it just won't die.. i just clicked it, found it in the list, right click, kill.. and that was that
[19:06] <KM0201> i also miss the "force quit" panel applet
[19:06] <KM0201> 2 clicks, app was killed
[19:07]  * rr0hit too misses "force quit"
[19:07] <kevin6888> oh yeah, i forgot to mention my favorite part about unity
[19:07] <kevin6888> the search "omni" bar
[19:08] <kevin6888> i like just typing a program, hitting enter, and it running
[19:08] <kevin6888> like a terminal...but...i don't have to type &
[19:09] <gnomefreak> anyone else haveing problems with the pae kernel? i cant get past plymouth starting/stoping gdm isnt helping. i saw a kernel paging error
[19:10] <perscitus> this is what its like to boot Ubuntu 11.04 Live CD/USB --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq-d4fK-lW4
[19:11] <Chris___> coz_: my issue more specifically is that I downloaded a .tar.gz splash screen theme which I couldn't figure out how to install. I just found System > Preferences > Splash Screen, which appears to be what I want, but it's giving me errors: http://paste.honk-honk.org/235
[19:12] <rr0hit> oooh..the video ended with quite a rude note :/
[19:12] <gnomefreak> tty7 is still showing plymouth tty1 doing updates and tty2 irssi. if i use the latest kernel -8 and -7 give same results. sometimes they boot most often they dont. it sometimes reboots its self <<that is odd times 3
[19:12] <KM0201> i'm guessing it's something to do w/ ATI.
[19:13] <gnomefreak> ati is the one thing that isnt giving me issues :)
[19:13] <KM0201> and for what its worth, 10.10 was pretty dang close to flawless for me... and 11.04, it's hard to call it a buggy release, when it's not released yet.
[19:14] <perscitus> KM0201,  It wasnt for me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvkaAvJCT_s
[19:14] <gnomefreak> unity is the biggest cause for buggy compiz is up there as well. its a good idea not to use this release until it is released if you cant stand buggy
[19:15] <KM0201> perscitus, again, i think most of your probs come back to ATI.. i've got Nvidia and Intel, and neither have an issue at all...
[19:16] <perscitus> KM0201, I dont blame hardware, i blame software developers for failure to work with hardware.
[19:16] <gnomefreak> well ati isnt Ubuntus fault
[19:16] <gnomefreak> neither is nvidia :)
[19:16] <KM0201> so hardware developers that don't release proper drivers for certain OS's, get a pass?
[19:17] <perscitus> KM0201,  They do. Software developers just break the drivers.
[19:17] <KM0201> lol
[19:17] <gnomefreak> i dont have any issues with my ATI card+drivers. my issue is with kernel paging that im working on atm
[19:17] <KM0201> i think it's tough to put the blame on Ubuntu, for the probs w/ ATI..
[19:18] <gnomefreak> KM0201: you cant. we cant modify them at all
[19:18] <KM0201> thus my point... so it's ATI's fault fo rnot releasing a quality driver.
[19:18] <KM0201> Nvidia is a good example that (IMO) has a pretty good, restricted driver.
[19:19]  * gnomefreak has no issues with ATI this release. last release was intel and nvidias turn to break. this release all restricted drivers and X were not compatible
[19:20] <gnomefreak> intel had its share of issues but nothing to do with X
[19:20] <gnomefreak> brb i need to test this
[19:20] <perscitus> KM0201,  nothing is wrong with ATI or Nvidia drivers. it's the software using it.
[19:20]  * KM0201 sighs.
[19:21] <perscitus> Blaming the other guy for your mistakes not taking responsibilty and just passing the buck to someone else.
[19:23]  * drc thinks that perscitus is of the opinion that because he paid good money for the video card, it <must> be the free software's problem?
[19:24] <yofel> I'm not saying that nvidia is the best driver out there, but I've heard many complaints about the open source ati drivers too in the past and nouveau doesn't work for me
[19:24] <KM0201> perscitus, i guess we'll just have to agree to disagree....
[19:25] <KM0201> yofel, i agree totally... i don't have any issues w/ Nvidia's driver (dual screens, etc.)
[19:25] <Kyle__> perscitus: Um, if software makes say, an opengl call to an opengl driver, the it's up to the driver to handle it, or fail the call gracefully, without causing a crash.  That's All driver.  Same goes for 2d calls.
[19:27] <yofel> heh, *that* reminds me of the kwin issues with intel at some point when the driver reported it supported gl extensions that it did in fact not support, which ended in a mess
[19:27] <Kyle__> yofel: Ugh.  That had to really suck.
[19:29] <yofel> http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/tag/kwin-opengl/ for those that don't remember it
[19:34]  * gnomefreak looking for a fairly cheap filing cabinet and here is one i found (the price scares me) http://www.officemax.com/office-furniture/file-cabinets-accessories/lateral-file-cabinets/product-prod3030996
[19:36] <psusi> the only issue I have had with the open source ati drivers for the last few relreases has been that it tends to run hot... I've not even bothered trying the catalyst drivers...
[19:37] <gnomefreak> i think the catalyst drivers have been dropped
[19:37] <gnomefreak> at least i remember it being removed with upgrade
[19:37] <bullgard4> My Banshee 2.0.0 plays a song in the smart playlist Music > Unheard again and again without transferring the entry in Music. Properties shows LastPlayed=19:37 and Play Count=0. What can I do to fix this?
[19:39] <knight_> hi is anyone here
[19:40] <knight_> i have a problem with natty can someone please help me
[19:40] <yofel> !anyone
[19:41] <knight_> lol ok well i updated everything and all but when i open ubuntu software center all i see is a gray screen
[19:41] <gnomefreak> knight_: in unity or classic?
[19:42] <knight_> unity
[19:42] <gnomefreak> it works here
[19:42] <gnomefreak> looks as it should
[19:43] <gnomefreak> knight_: can you please take a screenshot and post it some where so i can see
[19:43] <knight_> sure hold on
[19:44] <mouzil> hello
[19:44] <gnomefreak> thanks
[19:44] <gnomefreak> mouzil: hi
[19:44]  * KM0201 hates ubuntu software center
[19:44] <KM0201> it always gives me problems
[19:45] <gnomefreak> i agree
[19:45]  * KM0201 ^5's gnomefreak
[19:45] <gnomefreak> it also confuses me sometimes since not all downloads happen at the same time
[19:45] <knight_> why does it??
[19:46] <gnomefreak> ^5 KM0201
[19:46] <gnomefreak> knight_: why what?
[19:46] <mouzil> I installed beta 2 on a virtual machine, but I got an error when first started, saying, as I have not the right hardware. Now every time I start  my system I get gnome and I do not know how to put unity, can anyone help me?
[19:46] <knight_> why does it give so many problems. and can i ask another Q?
[19:46] <KM0201> also, if you try to use a .deb package with it.. my experience it, it always says the package is of "poor quality" and it won't install it..lol
[19:47] <KM0201> knight_, ask another q?  did you pay your bill for this month?.. have you reached your monthly quota?
[19:47] <gnomefreak> mouzil: you dont have drivers installed for your graphics card?
[19:47] <gnomefreak> knight_: ask
[19:48] <psusi> did ubuntuforums.org shit itself again, or is it just me?
[19:48] <knight_> huh lol, on my graphics card when i activate it using the restricted drivers and i try to play the tetris like game the game flickers very bad
[19:48] <KM0201> psusi, it was acting weird earlier.. but it was fine 15min ago.
[19:48]  * gnomefreak waits for screenshot while crying over a filing cabinet i found and is out of stock
[19:48] <gnomefreak> knight_: only that game?
[19:49] <knight_> that i can tell but when i try to play say halo thru wine then that flickers too
[19:49] <knight_> or any other game thru wine
[19:49] <gnomefreak> ok are you playing tetris in wine?
[19:50] <gnomefreak> better question, are you seeing the flickering anywhere other than games/wine
[19:50] <knight_> no
[19:50] <gnomefreak> no to what one?
[19:51] <knight_> not really that i can tell i deactivated it when i saw that it did it in ubuntu 10.10 and now 11.04
[19:51] <knight_> no its the quadrappasel game
[19:52] <gnomefreak> knight_: what card and what driver? i really dont think its your card though or you would see it everywhere or in most places
[19:52] <gnomefreak> unity being one of them
[19:54] <KM0201> try Ltris.. i've had good luck w/ i.
[19:54] <KM0201> it
[19:54] <knight_> it says ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX gra phics driver on the additional driver
[19:55] <gnomefreak> knight_: try the ati drivers
[19:55] <knight_> the tetris game isnt really what bothers me even tho the wife loves playing it is it is the problems with the wine games
[19:55] <knight_> what do you mean
[19:55] <mouzil> gnomefreak: how do i get drivers installed for my graphics card?
[19:55] <gnomefreak> if it happens mostly/only in wine i blame wine
[19:56] <knight_> heres the screenshot of what it does with the software center     http://s1177.photobucket.com/albums/x346/knightautwell/?action=view&current=Screenshot.png
[19:56] <gnomefreak> mouzil: either in a terminal type jockey-gtk   or go to system->admin->hardware something
[19:57] <cryptk> gnomefreak, it is either hardware drivers or additional drivers
[19:57] <gnomefreak> knight_: try the ati drivers.
[19:57] <cryptk> under system > admin
[19:57] <cryptk> can't remember which it is called
[19:57] <knight_> activate them again?
[19:57] <gnomefreak> its hardware drivers IIRC
[19:58] <gnomefreak> knight_: use the ati drivers not the fglrx drivers
[19:58] <knight_> gnomefreak,  so activate the drivers again
[19:58] <gnomefreak> knight_: try them not sure it will work but it looks like the drivers are not keeping up
[19:58] <mouzil> gnomefreak: no drivers appears
[19:59] <gnomefreak> knight_: you said you are using the flgrx drivers right?
[19:59] <gnomefreak> mouzil: what video card?
[19:59] <mouzil> the list is empty
[19:59] <gnomefreak> mouzil: is this a clean install or an upgrade?
[19:59] <mouzil> a nvidia GeForce 9600
[19:59] <mouzil> clean install
[19:59] <mouzil> on virtual machine
[20:00] <knight_> i tried it before and it messed up that tetris like game is there anyway to fix that? and do you have any idea about the software center?
[20:00] <bjsnider> mouzil, is ubuntu the host or the guest?
[20:00] <gnomefreak> that should be there without a doubt since it was there on mine when i was using one. well i have 9500 gt 1gig
[20:00] <mouzil> both of them
[20:01] <bjsnider> jockey-text -e xorg:nvidia_current
[20:01] <gnomefreak> knight_: you tried flgrx and the nonfree ati drivers?
[20:01] <gnomefreak> they are not the same
[20:01] <knight_> the only drivers i have tried are the ones that pop up on the additional drivers listt
[20:02] <knight_> *list
[20:02] <gnomefreak> doesnt help me since both show up for my ati card. knight_ try using classic desktop see if that fixes your issue. if it does not disable compiz in classic and see what happens
[20:03] <knight_> how to i disable compiz? and how to i switch to classic??
[20:03] <gnomefreak> knight_: on the login screen choose classic desktop edition i think there is also a choice for classic without compiz
[20:03] <mouzil> bjsnider: unknown driver: xorg:nvidia_current
[20:03] <KM0201> knight_, at the login screen, click sessions, and choose classic
[20:04] <knight_> ok ill try that brb
[20:04] <bjsnider> mouzil, i think you;re missing packages
[20:04]  * gnomefreak wonders if mouzil doesnt have the repos enabled, although jockey normally doesnt care
[20:04] <gnomefreak> mouzil: was it an upgrade from 10.10
[20:05] <mouzil> gnomefreak: It was a clean install on a virtual machine
[20:06] <philsf> pidgin stores configs and logs in ~/.purple. where does empathy store such files?
[20:06] <gnomefreak> mouzil: try enabling all the repos in /etc/apt/sources.list than run update than upgrade than try jockey
[20:06] <mouzil> gnomefreak: ok
[20:06] <gnomefreak> philsf: try .gconf
[20:06] <cryptk> philsf, I know that empathy keeps configs in gsettings
[20:06] <bjsnider> mouzil, is nvidia-common installed?
[20:07] <cryptk> which uses dconf
[20:07] <cryptk> as a back end
[20:07] <cryptk> as far as logs, no clue
[20:07] <knight_> ok im back and the software center works in classic. and did you mean the classic without effects?
[20:08] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: i get this feeling that install got messed up and didnt do something
[20:08] <gnomefreak> what compiz with effects it works?
[20:08] <mouzil> bjsnider: yes, it is
[20:08] <gnomefreak> oh damn he left. brb smoke
[20:09] <adrian_kx> ok why is beta2 more broken than beta 1
[20:09] <gnomefreak> mouzil: see if nvidia-current is installed too. but shhhhhhh im not here
[20:09] <gnomefreak> adrian_kx: its not. its just different things are broken still not here though im outside smokeing :( brb
[20:09] <adrian_kx> normal flash is broke because of failed deps proprietary ati drivers the same because of some broken repo packages
[20:09] <adrian_kx> hmmmm
[20:10] <javier> hi
[20:10] <adrian_kx> i need to wait :) a few weeks:)
[20:10] <mouzil> gnomefreak: it is installed
[20:10] <javier> I have a proble with gnome3
[20:10] <adrian_kx> install anything else gnome 3 is broken by default and by design
[20:10] <mouzil> I'm upgrading now
[20:11] <adrian_kx> i would never install it
[20:11] <adrian_kx> my personal opinion:)
[20:11] <adrian_kx> not a real fact :)
[20:12] <hawke_> Hi all…how do I get my Pidgin sytem tray icon back in Ubuntu 11.04?
[20:13] <Daekdroom> hawke_, it should be under the white envelope.
[20:14] <hawke_> Daekdroom: It’s not.
[20:14] <Daekdroom> hawke_, do you have pidgin-libnotify package installed?
[20:15] <hawke_> Daekdroom: Yup.
[20:15] <Daekdroom> Odd.
[20:15] <knight_> hey gnomefreak its working now thanks and halo is even working
[20:18] <adrian_kx> i love gnome2
[20:18] <adrian_kx> hate gnome3:((
[20:19] <hawke_> Daekdroom: I went into plugins and turned on “Libnotify popups” and it now appears in the envelope menu.
[20:20] <hawke_> Daekdroom: Then I turned it off again and it’s still there.  Strange.
[20:21] <knight_> hey how do you open a deb with synaptic package manager?
[20:22] <Daekdroom> knight_, synaptic doesn't support that.
[20:22] <Daekdroom> Currently, Ubuntu Software Center does that.
[20:23] <Daekdroom> What used to do that was gdebi
[20:23] <Daekdroom> (not installed by default in 11.04)
[20:24] <knight_> oh how can i open it then it says it wasnt satisfliable or something in the software center
[20:24] <cryptk> dependencies not satisfied?
[20:24] <gnomefreak> apturl should do it
[20:24] <knight_> yep
[20:25] <cryptk> well, install it's dependencies
[20:25] <DreamsofanEagle> Hey guys, really stupid dumb question, trying to get to a folder in my home folder in the terminal, but I seem to have forgotten the command, but maybe its something new under 11.04
[20:25] <philsf> hawke_, you need an indicator for pidgin, as well as a libnotify package
[20:25] <cryptk> that means that it depends on things that aren't available in your current repos
[20:25] <hawke_> philsf: ?
[20:25] <cryptk> DreamsofanEagle, cd?
[20:25] <gnomefreak> DreamsofanEagle: read it, open it, move it?
[20:25] <cryptk> cd ~/somewhere/in/your/home
[20:25] <hawke_> philsf: Oh, you mean to get a separate icon?
[20:25] <KM0201> knight_, i installed gdebi to handle that... it's in the repositories... open the .deb file w/ gdebi, and it should handle it for you.
[20:25] <DreamsofanEagle> oh, ~
[20:25] <DreamsofanEagle> damnit
[20:26] <knight_> ok ill try it thanks
[20:26] <cryptk> ~ isn't a command though, it is more of an alias of sorts
[20:26] <gnomefreak> did cd break something?
[20:26] <DreamsofanEagle> that didn't work
[20:26] <cryptk> it just resolves to either your home or the home that you specify
[20:26] <cryptk> cd ~
[20:26] <gnomefreak> DreamsofanEagle: what is the name of the file?
[20:26] <cryptk> that will cd to your home
[20:26] <DreamsofanEagle> folder
[20:26] <DreamsofanEagle> crawl
[20:26] <cryptk> or cd ~/somewhere/
[20:26] <cryptk> is crawl in your home?
[20:26] <cryptk> cd ~/crawl
[20:26] <cryptk> as long as it is a directory
[20:27] <cryptk> that will put you in it
[20:27] <DreamsofanEagle> yes it is
[20:27] <DreamsofanEagle> hell, I put it on the desktop, it STILL won't work
[20:27] <cryptk> cd ~/Desktop/crawl
[20:27]  * gnomefreak wonders why you are using a beta release if you and opening folders are not getting along
[20:27] <cryptk> ~ resolves to /home/username
[20:27] <cryptk> not just some arbitrary place in your home
[20:27] <yfk> how should Nvidia cards be used with natty?
[20:27] <reivanen> hello, i am having something weird in syslog right after installing beta2
[20:28] <DreamsofanEagle> Beta2
[20:28] <cryptk> yfk, with the latest drivers
[20:28] <gnomefreak> same as you used them before natty
[20:28] <DreamsofanEagle> I used to be able to do it under 10.10
[20:28] <knight_> what would i put to install this? when i try to open my deb with software center it says:  dependenct is not satisfiable: libqt-multimedia (>=4:4.6,1)
[20:28] <reivanen> rsyslogd-2039: Could no open output pipe '/dev/xconsole' [try http://www.rsyslog.com/e/2039 ]
[20:28] <cryptk> yep, first you install it in the PC... then you install the drivers... then you are done
[20:28] <DreamsofanEagle> for example the wifi drivers for my laptop
[20:28] <reivanen> google was not very helpful
[20:28] <gnomefreak> DreamsofanEagle: it hasnt changed
[20:28] <DreamsofanEagle> well it still aint working
[20:28] <cryptk> DreamsofanEagle, does cd ~/Desktop work?
[20:29] <DreamsofanEagle> lemme try
[20:29] <cryptk> and if it doesn't tell me the error
[20:29] <yfk> cryptk, should I manually download the driver-script from Nvidia, let that build a xorg.conf and make X run with that?
[20:29] <DreamsofanEagle> nope
[20:29] <DreamsofanEagle> no such file or directory
[20:29] <cryptk> what is the error?
[20:29] <cryptk> cd ~
[20:29] <gnomefreak> yfk: use jockey-gtk
[20:29] <cryptk> does that work?
[20:29] <gnomefreak> DreamsofanEagle: are you using a d or a D
[20:29] <mvo> knight_: you can use gdebi for this
[20:30] <DreamsofanEagle> d
[20:30] <cryptk> yep, DreamsofanEagle case sensative, gotta be Desktop, not desktop
[20:30] <knight_> but dont i need that other file anyway? just wondering
[20:30] <reivanen> should i be concerned for that rsyslogd message?
[20:30] <gnomefreak> DreamsofanEagle: use ~/Desktop
[20:30] <DreamsofanEagle> ohh, desktop, yeah, I typed it out just like you did
[20:30] <gnomefreak> again i ask why a beta release
[20:30] <cryptk> cd ~
[20:30] <cryptk> does that work?
[20:30] <DreamsofanEagle> lemme try something
[20:31] <knight_> how do i open a deb with gdebi? sorry for the noobish questions lol
[20:31] <gnomefreak> user-end file management hasnt changed in years
[20:31] <knight_> i just installed it
[20:31] <gnomefreak> knight_: right click the file and choose gdebi
[20:32]  * gnomefreak muimbles to self
[20:32] <DreamsofanEagle> I think if I use the command sudo su before getting into the folder I'm screwed
[20:32] <cryptk> DreamsofanEagle, put in this command exactly as I put it and tell me if it works
[20:32] <cryptk> cd ~
[20:32] <gnomefreak> s/muimbles/mumbles
[20:32] <cryptk> yes, because then ~ resolves to /root
[20:32] <knight_> it still says i need that file
[20:32] <cryptk> not to /home/youruser
[20:32] <gnomefreak> cryptk: why use ~ when cd works
[20:32] <gnomefreak> oh yeah
[20:32] <cryptk> because ~ works everywhere
[20:33] <DreamsofanEagle> I still can't get past the home folder :/
[20:33] <yfk> gnomefreak, it says I'm using jockey-gtk. however, I cannot get glxgears to work
[20:33] <gnomefreak> knight_: what file?
[20:33] <cryptk> and cd Desktop will only work if you are already in your home folder
[20:33] <cryptk> cd ~/Desktop will work anywhere
[20:33] <gnomefreak> DreamsofanEagle: type the command cd
[20:33]  * DreamsofanEagle used to be able to stick a file on his desktop and open a terminal and type cd /realtek
[20:33] <gnomefreak> than you should be in home dir.
[20:33] <cryptk> run just this command
[20:33] <cryptk> cd && pwd && whoami
[20:33] <cryptk> give us the output
[20:34] <gnomefreak> DreamsofanEagle: you still can but you have to be in the path of the file/folder as always
[20:34] <cryptk> you are doing something weird, but that command should reveal it
[20:34] <DreamsofanEagle> /home/david/Desktop/crawl
[20:34] <knight_> it says i need  libqt-multimedia (>=4:4.6,1)\
[20:34] <gnomefreak> DreamsofanEagle: you are in your home dir
[20:34] <knight_>  libqt-multimedia (>=4:4.6,1) sorrry
[20:34] <cryptk> are you working as user david, or did you sudo su?
[20:34] <DreamsofanEagle> user
[20:34] <yfk> I also get (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extentions (Compatiable NVIDIA X driver not found)
[20:35] <gnomefreak> knight_: we dont have that package in our archives
[20:35] <cryptk> ok, if whoami returns david then this command will put you in the crawl directory
[20:35] <knight_> hmm ok
[20:35] <gnomefreak> that is why gdebi wont work
[20:35] <cryptk> cd ~/Desktop/crawl
[20:35] <gnomefreak> well unless crawl is Crawl
[20:35] <cryptk> I am ASSuming that he put it in IRC correctly
[20:35] <gnomefreak> yfk: what nvidia card?
[20:36] <DreamsofanEagle> thank you
[20:36]  * DreamsofanEagle is an idiot sometimes
[20:36] <gnomefreak> cryptk: i assumed people using beta knew how to move around in folders
[20:36] <gnomefreak> so we are both asses
[20:36] <cryptk> haha
[20:36] <cryptk> got it DreamsofanEagle ?
[20:36]  * DreamsofanEagle is better in the gui
[20:36] <DreamsofanEagle> yeah, that worked
[20:37] <DreamsofanEagle> still don't understand why I never had problems in 10.10
[20:37] <cryptk> gui is for people that are still learning... and that is OK
[20:37] <knight_> thanks lol im trying to find it
[20:37]  * DreamsofanEagle had problems getting  it to compile
[20:37]  * gnomefreak uses GUI for email and browser although i can use text browsers just fine
[20:37] <cryptk> I think that was a PEBKAC issue there
[20:37]  * cryptk uses curl to surf the internet
[20:37] <gnomefreak> knight_: what program and you trying to install?
[20:37] <yfk> gnomefrak: Gefoce 9500
[20:38] <Kyle__> Text browsers are a bit of a pain...even twibright labs' "links -g"
[20:38] <reivanen> anyone saw my question about rsyslog ? should i ignore it or report it on the tracker or what?
[20:38] <yfk> I'm using it with two screens
[20:38] <yfk> *geforce
[20:38] <knight_> its a speech recognition program called simon list
[20:38] <gnomefreak> yfk: you are either the one asking an hour ago or someone else is having your same problem
[20:38] <gnomefreak> knight_: we have one or 2 of those i thought
[20:38] <yfk> gnome, probably the latter
[20:38] <gnomefreak> yfk: try one screen first :)
[20:39] <yfk> someone else also has a 9500?
[20:39] <knight_> in the synaptic package manager?
[20:39] <gnomefreak> no it was a 9600 sorry
[20:39] <yfk> I don't think that's what causing the problem
[20:39] <yfk> I wish I had a 9600
[20:39] <gnomefreak> knight_: afaik yes but i havent looked in a while
[20:39]  * cryptk GTX460
[20:39] <cryptk> works great in 11.04 and gnome3
[20:40] <knight_> you remeber the name of it?
[20:40] <gnomefreak> i have a 9500 gt 1gig and it worked fine until end of jan. than i moved to ati but nvidia never stopped working on its own
[20:40] <gnomefreak> knight_: no
[20:40] <knight_> ok thanks lol
[20:40] <gnomefreak> you can use the search to search for a keyword
[20:41] <virtuelv> anyone here responsible for the new scrollbars in Natty?
[20:41] <gnomefreak> use one word IIRC 2 words never helped it normally gave me nothing
[20:41]  * gnomefreak forgot to bring that up in a bug
[20:41] <mvo> knight_: you can install gdebi from synaptic, gdebi is like a companion for synaptic for debs
[20:41] <gnomefreak> virtuelv: define responsible
[20:42] <mvo> knight_: gtk as well, lets you inspect the deb etc
[20:42] <knight_> i download
[20:42] <Kyle__> Core2 duo showing up as 1 cpu?  Anyone?
[20:42] <virtuelv> gnomefreak: as in makes design decisions or develops it?
[20:42] <gnomefreak> mvo: gdebi wont install his app cause we dont have the depends it needs
[20:42] <knight_> ok thanks ill install it
[20:42] <gnomefreak> virtuelv: that is per app
[20:42] <gnomefreak> example firefox will be implementing the scrollbars
[20:43] <virtuelv> gnomefreak: the new-style scrollbars, at least in CCSM are anti-usable for maximized windows
[20:43] <mvo> gnomefreak: aha, ok
[20:43] <Daekdroom> I disabled the new scrollbars.
[20:43] <gnomefreak> mvo: i thought we had speech apps
[20:43] <mvo> gnomefreak: it may  give more details information
[20:43] <knight_> im trying to find the file i need for it but its not on their site that i can see
[20:43] <virtuelv> gnomefreak: traditional scrollbars allows you to just push your cursor to the edge of the screen and start dragging
[20:43] <gnomefreak> right now they work in only a few apps
[20:43] <mvo> gnomefreak: speech apps? like ekiga?
[20:43] <virtuelv> new scrollbars fail to do that
[20:44] <gnomefreak> mvo: speech regconition
[20:44] <gnomefreak> virtuelv: works in gedit but i havent gotten them to work anywhere else yet
[20:45] <virtuelv> gnomefreak: I just tried them in gedit as well
[20:45] <reivanen> can my messages be seen now?
[20:45] <virtuelv> they fail in exactly the same way
[20:45] <virtuelv> reivanen: no :)
[20:45] <gnomefreak> but i asked one of our mozilla devs and he said he would implement them in FF but not sure when, not even sure we should bother for natty atm
[20:45] <gnomefreak> reivanen: no i cant see it
[20:45] <virtuelv> gnomefreak: it's not that they don't work
[20:45] <virtuelv> I'm just saying the new scrollbars have functionally regressed from old-style scrollbars where present
[20:46] <reivanen> :D well, i asked a few times and had no answers so i decided to recon
[20:46] <gnomefreak> reivanen: ask one more time please
[20:46] <reivanen> i am still wondering what to do about the rsyslogd message i have in syslog
[20:46] <reivanen> right after booting into clean beta2
[20:46] <reivanen> rsyslogd-2039: Could no open output pipe '/dev/xconsole' [try http://www.rsyslog.com/e/2039 ]
[20:46]  * gnomefreak has seen very little forward motion in natty, and that is only because unity tied my hands
[20:47] <gnomefreak> reivanen: i saw that earlier
[20:47] <reivanen> sorry if i did not catch your anser
[20:47] <reivanen> this me client is kinda bad in irc
[20:47] <gnomefreak> reivanen: i didnt give one. did you look at the site it tells you to try?
[20:48] <reivanen> yes
[20:48] <gnomefreak> and?
[20:48] <Kyle__> gnomefreak: at least in my install (was alpha, update it nightly though), it let me choose to use gnome...
[20:48] <virtuelv> will unity final work better with multiple monitors?
[20:48] <gnomefreak> sorry havent read it and i might not have time to
[20:49] <virtuelv> I tried unity a few weeks ago, and decided to ditch it after not being able to properly configure it with dual monitors, plus the twenty-crashes per minute
[20:49] <gnomefreak> virtuelv: lets try to get unity to work on 1 first :( it is very buggy and some of it compiz is to blame
[20:49] <knight_> is compiz the effects?
[20:49] <gnomefreak> crashes were most likely caused by compiz
[20:49] <gnomefreak> knight_: yes
[20:49] <gnomefreak> be back need smoke
[20:49] <Kyle__> The important question is will the 64bit natty install 32bit nethack by default, so hearse will work.
[20:49] <gnomefreak> doubt it
[20:50] <Kyle__> Damn.  It's my biggest "productivity" app.
[20:50] <mvo> gnomefreak: oh, I don't know about this domain, sorry
[20:50] <knight_> figures when i first logged into natty after upgrading it said there was a problem with compiz and had to close
[20:51] <reivanen> the url info was kinda vague, google found nothing relevant with the message as search keyword
[20:51] <virtuelv> gnomefreak: can I take that answer as "unity won't work well with multiple monitors when natty reaches final"?
[20:51] <reivanen> so all i am asking shoul i do a bug report or just ignore it?
[20:52] <knight_> quick question i downloaded a login theme grom gnome how to i install it? it's in a tar.gz wile and i have already extracted it but i cant figure out how to set it
[20:52] <virtuelv> gnomefreak: also: Is it possible to disable the new-style scrollbars altogether?
[20:53] <alpha_> after upgrade to Natty, how can I automatically upgrade my PPAs as well?
[20:53] <alpha_> currently all PPA packages are treated as installed manually
[20:54] <alpha_> I could do s/maveric/natty/ in /etc/apt/sources.d, but maybe there is a smarter solution?
[20:59] <blueyed> anyone using compiz on kde? I have plasma-desktop in the window list..
[20:59] <reivanen> the plot thickens, the error put out more in last reboot
[20:59] <blueyed> besides of that, compiz on kde is more stable as with gnome/unity, and faster/smoother than kwin.
[20:59] <arand> alpha_: I don't think there is no, and the thing is that likely many of those PPAs won't have packages for natty (yet)
[21:01] <reivanen> now after first reboot the kernel log part starts with:
[21:01] <reivanen> Apr 15 22:43:13 q kernel: [ 2405.603486] polkit-gnome-au[1552]: segfault at 2f ip 00007f67726a19d8 sp 00007fffe86c7c10 error 4 in libglib-2.0.so.0.2800.5[7f677267a000+ed000]
[21:02] <bluefox83> when does natty leave beta and go stable?
[21:02] <bluefox83> like, what's it's official release date?
[21:02] <arand> 28th
[21:02] <bluefox83> ah
[21:02] <knight_> 28th of what
[21:03] <SwedeMike> !schedule
[21:03] <alpha_> knight_, well, 10.04 suggest April :)
[21:03] <Necrosporus> Ubuntu software center crashes all the time I try to install anything
[21:05] <knight_> that would be awesome and i read something about an appmenu or something?
[21:06] <Necrosporus> does software center of beta2 work for anyone?
[21:06] <knight_> yea me
[21:06] <reivanen> no it does not :D
[21:06]  * bluefox83 shrugs
[21:06] <knight_> had to switch to classic and no effects for it to work tho
[21:06] <bluefox83> i don't use it, i replaced it with synaptic
[21:07] <Necrosporus> Can you show screenshot of some application description?
[21:07] <bluefox83> i can't get any of my effects to work D:
[21:07] <Necrosporus> bluefox83, aptitude is better than synaptic
[21:07] <knight_> anyone know why i get an error when i try to install gnome-splashscreen-manager using terminal?
[21:07] <mvo> Necrosporus: please make sure to update aptdaemon and software-center to the latest version in the archive
[21:07] <bluefox83> Necrosporus: for you, but i prefer synaptic
[21:07] <reivanen> segfault with clean install and no answers in dev channel, somehow i sense that there are enough errors and they don't want to know about further :D
[21:07] <gnomefreak> unity may work perfect at release. yes you can disable them by removing the app that you needed to install to use them. remove this package overlay-scrollbar  should stop using the overlay scrollbars
[21:08]  * gnomefreak gone for the night i think. its friday and its beena  very long day
[21:08] <Necrosporus> mvo, but I haven't installed Natty, I have used it from the Live CD
[21:08] <mvo> Necrosporus: you can also update the package on the livecd, the versions on the cd have some known issues
[21:08] <mvo> that are fixed in the archive
[21:10] <Necrosporus> mvo, ok, maybe I will. But there is still no "system settings" and "terminal" in the main menu
[21:10] <Necrosporus> And I haven't figured out, how to bring the window menu back under window title
[21:11] <rr0hit> mvo , could you take a look at bug 762001 and set importance?
[21:15] <Necrosporus> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/701173 This seem fixed in Beta2.
[21:19] <arand> Necrosporus: If that is the case, do leave a comment stating that. Alternatively if you are feeling bold, set the status to incomplete and request further information from the user as to that is the case for him/her to.
[21:19] <arand> *whether that
[21:23] <knight_> hey is there an app that erases a cd-rw?
[21:24] <KM0201> knight_, i would think any cd writer/rewriter would do that... but I don't use cd rw's.
[21:24] <KM0201> Gnomebaker, Brasero, k3b, etc..
[21:28] <Necrosporus> arand, firmware files was renamed
[21:29] <Necrosporus> Can I determine, is it because of the bug report or not?
[21:32] <joelz> Upgrade question: can I use ubiquity to wipe everything but my home directory to get a clean Natty install with all my music and photos still on the drive?
[21:37] <hawke_> Can anyone tell me where Nautilus stores its bookmarks?
[21:37] <Daekdroom> joelz, if your /home is on a separate partition, yes.
[21:37] <Daekdroom> If it isn't, I wouldn't count on it.
[21:38] <hawke_> I have a bookmark that keeps showing up as 'smb' and I want to see if there’s something broken about the way it’s stored.
[21:38] <KM0201> hawke_, smb is samba IIRC..
[21:38] <Daekdroom> hawke_, are you connected to a computer via ethernet?
[21:39] <bluefox83> yeah, smb = samba. it's just shorthand
[21:39]  * KM0201 wins!  ;)
[21:40] <joelz> Daekdroom, thanks.
[21:40] <hawke_> Daekdroom: ...yes?
[21:40] <hawke_> KM0201: yes, it is.
[21:40] <hawke_> supposedly from a Google search, it's stored in ~/.gtk-bookmarks
[21:40] <Kyle__> bluefox83: smb stands for server message block, the origonal name for CIFS (what MS currently calls windows file sharing)
[21:40] <hawke_> yes, I know this
[21:41] <hawke_> But I'm not talking about the URL
[21:41] <bluefox83> well anyways >.>
[21:41] <hawke_> I'm talking about the name displayed in the Places list on the left side of a nautilus window
[21:42] <hawke_> it shows up as simply 'smb'
[21:43] <hawke_> For no reason that I can see.
[21:44] <Kyle__> hawke_: Err.  Are you sure however setup that samba server didn't leave the server description as "smb"?
[21:45] <hawke_> Kyle__: I'm not sure what you mean.
[21:45] <Kyle__> in /etc/samba/smb.conf, there is a setting called, "server string"
[21:46] <hawke_> Well, the bookmark goes to a Windows server, so that’s not really applicable.
[21:46] <Kyle__> Whatever you set that to, is what the server calls itslef, in smb.  If the person who setup the samba server you're connecting to set that to "smb" it would just say that.
[21:46] <Kyle__> Ahh.
[21:46] <Kyle__> hawke_: Ok, well there goes that theory :)
[21:47] <hawke_> Yeah, I don’t think Nautilus does anything like that anyway.
[21:47] <hawke_> (looking up the server description, that is)
[21:48] <Kyle__> I haven't connected to an smb server through nautilus in over a year, and even then it was to a linux samba server.
[21:48] <hawke_> Unfortunately, it seems like smb is about the only viable networked filesystem.
[21:48] <hawke_> NFS being such a pain in the ass and with such strong limitations
[21:49] <Daekdroom> Don't you mean NTFS?
[21:49] <Daekdroom> Oh. I see, I see.
[21:49] <Kyle__> hawke_: While I sometimes agree for mixed OS networks, what type of limmitations are you speaking of?
[21:49] <hawke_> No. :-)
[21:50] <hawke_> Kyle__: Kerberos authentication for NFSv4 is a giant pain to get working, and has no fallback to anonymous access when you don’t have credentials.
[21:50] <hawke_> NFS in general has no browse protocol, though that’s slightly better with NFSv4.
[21:51] <Kyle__> hawke_: YOu don't have to use kerberos for nfs4.  It's preferred, but not required at all.
[21:52] <hawke_> Kyle__: I know I don’t have to, but Kerberos is basically the only semi-decent authentication system around.
[21:52] <Kyle__> hawke_: I was using NFS4 in my labs for all the student files, but a certain ahem other unix (OSX), has craptastic nfs4 support.
[21:52] <Kyle__> hawke_: Ah ok.
[21:52] <bluefox83> can't install simple-ccsm D:
[21:53] <hawke_> Correct me if I’m wrong, but the only alternative is IP-based whitelists, and still requires that you synchronize uids
[21:54] <hawke_> smb and NFS each have their own problems, but they’re at least better supported than alternatives
[21:54] <hawke_> AFS: Buggy as hell at least on Linux, has annoying server requirements
[21:54] <Kyle__> hawke_: I believe you're correct.  Which isn't a problem for my setup, but could be for others.
[21:54] <hawke_> SFS was pretty good but is now very dead.
[21:54] <hawke_> There aren’t really a lot of other possibilities
[21:55] <Kyle__> Andrew file system I've heard of, but what on earth is SFS?
[21:55] <hawke_> Kyle__: it was the Self-Certifying Filesystem
[21:55] <hawke_> Rather obscure
[21:55] <hawke_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-certifying_File_System
[21:55] <Kyle__> HOw do we say, graduate project to be abandoned 2 weeks after I get the deploma?
[21:55] <hawke_> But works (worked) pretty well.
[21:56] <Kyle__> Ah, yup, PhD thesis by some guy at MIT.
[21:57] <hawke_> Yup.
[21:59] <hawke_> What’s the current (Natty) preferred tool for integration of Ubuntu with Active Directory?  Likewise-open?  Centrify?  Winbind?
[22:03] <knight_> hey i have a question my laptop came with windows 7 and it has a virtual wifi mini port able to broadcast a wifi signal is there anyway i can utilize that in ubuntu?
[22:04] <hawke_> What does it do?
[22:04] <hawke_> Allow you to access multiple wifi networks at once?
[22:04] <kevin6888> maybe wifi sharing?  to become a hotspot?
[22:05] <hawke_> That’d be my second guess.
[22:05] <knight_> no it allows me to actually broadcast a wifi signal
[22:05] <hawke_> What does that mean?
[22:05] <bluefox83> then what you need to do is create a bridge to that piece of hardware
[22:05] <hawke_> Any time you use wifi, you’re “broadcasting a wifi signal” so it doesn’t mean much
[22:05] <bluefox83> so long as the hardware is supported...should work fine
[22:06] <knight_> how tho???
[22:06] <knight_> the thing is microsoft actually hid that piece of hardware lol and im not sure how i would find the software for it in ubuntu
[22:06] <hawke_> It sounds like it’s a driver/software thing, not a separate piece of hardware
[22:06] <knight_> you have to enable it using command prompt in widows
[22:07] <bluefox83> i don't know...that is a bit beyond me..
[22:07] <knight_> not too sure i know its only in like a select few business laptops from hp where i got mine from
[22:08] <bluefox83> i take it you are using a mobile broadband card
[22:08] <knight_> lol not even close im tethering my LG envy 2
[22:08] <hawke_> It’s basically taking one card and hopping back and forth between networks very fast
[22:09] <hawke_> http://www.tomshardware.com/news/windows-wifi-wireless-virtual-virtualize,7840.html
[22:09] <bluefox83> oh, so youw ant to bridge your phone with your internal wifi card...
[22:09] <knight_> yea
[22:09] <bluefox83> i'm sure there are howto's for that someplace
[22:11] <knight_> cant seem to find one thats the thing because the wifi card in my laptop is a microsoft virtual wifi mini port and i cant find something that lets be use that in ubuntu
[22:11] <knight_> *me
[22:14] <knight_> any idea?
[22:23] <BUGabundo> oias
[22:27] <saege> hey, where can i set the fonts in unity?
[22:27] <saege> or how can i restore the standard fonts?
[22:29] <nemo> saege: gnome-appearance-properties doesn't work in unity?
[22:29]  * nemo is still on "classic"
[22:29] <KM0201> saege, appearance preferences?
[22:29] <KM0201> i can tell you the defaults if you want them.
[22:30] <KM0201> nemo, it seems to work fine for me in unity.. :)
[22:30]  * KM0201 still prefers classic, but Unity is growing on me.
[22:30] <nemo> m'k, well, he could presumably set fonts there
[22:30] <KM0201> yeah.
[22:30] <KM0201> probably
[22:30] <nemo> KM0201: like a fungus? :)
[22:30] <saege> KM0201: if i set it there, it doesn't change anything...
[22:30] <KM0201> nemo, much so.. lol
[22:31] <KM0201> saege, so your font was set by your theme.
[22:31] <knight_> hey quick question why wont it let me move stuff to to /usr/share/slim/themes?
[22:31] <KM0201> saege, if you change your theme, do they change?
[22:32] <saege> KM0201: they don't
[22:32] <KM0201> knight_, you probably need sudo.
[22:32] <knight_> how to i drag in sudo?
[22:32] <saege2k> KM0201: sorry, back again
[22:32] <KM0201> saege2k, ok, so what did you do that changed the themes?
[22:33] <KM0201> knight_, you want the dirty, unsupported way, that doesn't require terminal?
[22:33] <knight_> sure lol
[22:33] <KM0201> knight_, gksudo nautilus   enter password, a root file browser will open, navigate to the folder, then drag drop
[22:33] <knight_> ok lol
[22:33] <saege2k> KM0201: i installed kde and set the gtk-appearance, now kde + config-files are deleted
[22:34] <KM0201> saege2k, ah, you have the KDE virus..lol
[22:34] <saege2k> KM0201: :o bug?
[22:34] <KM0201> no, i just hate kde
[22:34] <KM0201> lol
[22:34] <saege2k> KM0201: ah :D
[22:34] <KM0201> seriously, i have no idea what your prob could be
[22:35] <saege2k> KM0201: damn
[22:35] <KM0201> saege2k, try this... create a new user, log out, log in with new user.. see if the new user is effected by the bad fonts
[22:35] <KM0201> that'll tell you whether its a user setting, or a system wide setting..
[22:35] <saege2k> KM0201: tried it too, doesnt helped
[22:35] <KM0201> sudo apt-get reinstall ubuntu
[22:35] <KM0201> seriously...
[22:35] <KM0201> i have no idea how to fix that
[22:36] <saege2k> ah, isn't there a command to reinstall all installed packages?
[22:36] <saege2k> would this set all to default?
[22:36] <KM0201> saege2k, there might be, but i've never heard of it.
[22:37] <KM0201> and you've tried changing your fonts on the appearance preferences, right?
[22:39] <dlbike76> Hello.  Are there any documented problems with the Daily LiveCD for amd64 from 4/9?
[22:39] <KM0201> !topic | dlbike76
[22:40] <dlbike76> KM0201:  The topic does not address my question.
[22:41] <dlbike76> I'm wondering if there are any known problems with the natty daily build from April 9th.
[22:41] <KM0201> how on earth is anyone gonna kno that, when today si the 15th?
[22:43] <delac> anyone using live-usb? do you have logout possibility in the shutdown menu?
[22:44] <KM0201> delac, i didn't
[22:45] <KM0201> delac, why, do you want to log out?
[22:45] <dlbike76> Well I've been running fine for the last few days, but the updater is locking up while applying changes.
[22:46] <KM0201> speaking of, i have updates to do.
[22:46] <Necrosporus> mvo, seem, it doesn't crash now, but where is the feature to test applications before installation?
[22:46] <delac> KM0201: I lost the Lenses from my Launcher for some reason (no error messages or anything) and thought to log out to see if they come back. I gues I wont :)
[22:46] <KM0201> dlbike76, i've had a ton of problems w/ the update manager freezing/locking up... i've taken to just using terminal to update my machine
[22:47] <KM0201> delac, try moving any open windows all the ay to the "right"... and see if they come back.
[22:47] <delac> KM0201: but it's odd. on beta1 there was a logout option. I'm pretty sure of that...
[22:48] <delac> KM0201: no, the Launcher is visible all the time. Only those two lenses are missing (apps and folders)
[22:48] <KM0201> oh ok.
[22:48] <KM0201> hang on just a sec, lemme see something
[22:49] <delac> KM0201: and the icons for trash and workspace switcher are back to beta1 icons for some reason...
[22:49] <KM0201> whats the keyboard shortcut for a terminal?.. i forget
[22:49] <delac> KM0201: is there one?
[22:49] <KM0201> delac, i think so.
[22:49] <KM0201> hang on
[22:49] <delac> alt f2?
[22:50] <delac> not really terminal , but...
[22:50] <KM0201> no, not alt f2
[22:50] <KM0201> i want a terminal.
[22:51] <KM0201> ok.. delac you still here?
[22:51] <dlbike76> Ok, so the lockup is so bad that Alt-F2 isn't even working.  Is there any other trick to get the system back, or should I just reset the VM?
[22:51] <delac> KM0201: y
[22:51] <KM0201> ok
[22:51] <KM0201> Ctrl + Alt + T    that should open a terminal
[22:52] <KM0201> did that open a terminal?
[22:52] <delac> KM0201: so it seems. althoug I keep terminal in the Launcher
[22:52] <KM0201> delac, ok.. i thought you said that you lost itl.. regardless, open a terminal
[22:52] <KM0201> then type    "gnome-keyboard-properties" no quotes, and hit enter
[22:52] <KM0201> click the "Layouts" tab
[22:53] <KM0201> at the bottom, click "Options"
[22:53] <KM0201> on the next window where it says "Key Sequence to Kill X Server".. Check that box
[22:53] <KM0201> close keyboard preferences
[22:53] <KM0201> then Control Alt Backspace   and that should log you out.
[22:54] <delac> KM0201: well, thats not really logging out. thats more like kill everything now! :)
[22:54] <ubuntu_mad> Hello, how can an installed package on 10.10 disappear when upgrading to 11.04?
[22:54] <KM0201> delac, well, it'll reset X, it will log him out, which was his goal..lol
[22:54] <KM0201> ubuntu_mad, voodoo
[22:55] <ubuntu_mad> KM0201 but of course
[22:55] <delac> KM0201: yeah, well, I would like to have the normal logout option back
[22:55] <KM0201> delac, well, i can't do anything about that.. i was just telling you how to reset X w/o the logout option... try it, and see if it comes back to normal... personally, i don't remember seeing Logout on the Live USB.. but i could be mistaken
[22:56] <delac> KM0201: I'm pretty sure it was there on beta1
[22:56] <delac> KM0201: i did use it on few occasions
[22:56] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/648180/comments/16 - amen
[22:56] <KM0201> delac, dunno.. like i said, i don't pay attention to "logout" cuz i don't use it.
[22:56] <ubuntu_mad> does anyone know about this Error: Conflicts with the installed package 'ureadahead'
[22:57] <KM0201> unity is growing on me, i kinda like it.. i don't think its 100% yet.. maybe by 11.10, or 12.04.
[22:57] <delac> KM0201: well, how are you going to log into Classic Mode then? ;)
[22:57] <KM0201> delac, when you hit the log in screen, you choose "Sessions" and choose Ubuntu Classic
[22:57] <nemo> KM0201: I'd more or less agree w/ that
[22:57] <nemo> KM0201: but then, that's what that comment says
[22:58] <delac> KM0201: ...
[22:58] <nemo> beta, definitely should not be default
[22:58] <KM0201> nemo, absolutely.. i have no idea why they made it default.
[22:59] <KM0201> nemo, the one good thing is, they left "Classic" installed by default, so new users can switch to it w/ a couple clicks... can you imagine how flooded the channel would be if they just broke people off gnome cold turkey?
[22:59] <KM0201> there'd be a million people asking how to reinstall gnome
[22:59] <KM0201> if Unity stays as is, and never really got any better, i'd be forced to complete my migration to Debian,.
[22:59] <delac> KM0201: one more thing, when you close any normal menu (e.g. from appmenu) does it fade away nicely or does it flick white and dissapear abruptly?
[23:00] <KM0201> delac, i wouldn't say it fades away, it does disappear abruptly, but no white flicker
[23:00] <dlbike76> Speaking of Unity, is there a way to run it from the LiveCD?
[23:00] <KM0201> dlbike76, its default, if your graphics processor supports it
[23:01] <KM0201> dlbike76, if your graphics processor doesn't support it, the live cd/usb, defaults to gnome classic
[23:02] <dlbike76> I have an ATI on my laptop, could it be that the free driver doesn't support Unity?
[23:03] <irv> yea last time i tried it it didn't work with UNITY
[23:03] <irv> but that was a week ago, so they may have updated it since
[23:03] <KM0201> dlbike76, quite possibly
[23:03] <irv> it worked without the ATI driver though
[23:06] <nemo> KM0201: heh. if they forced unity I'd just switch to lubuntu or xubuntu or kubuntu
[23:06]  * KM0201 is gonna miss ubuntu+1 until around august/september.. i'ev always liked it here
[23:06] <nemo> solved
[23:06] <KM0201> nemo, well, i'd rather get stomped on the face by a fat chick wearing golf cleats, than use KDE.. lubuntu or xubuntu would be acceptable
[23:07] <KM0201> xubuntu though, has really gotten bloated the last few releases.
[23:07] <KM0201> !isitoutyet
[23:08] <delac> KM0201: what so bad about KDE?
[23:08] <KM0201> delac, other than i hate it?
[23:08] <delac> KM0201: other?
[23:09] <KM0201> if it works for someone else, thats fine with me, but honestly, if Linux was only KDE, I'd just deal w/ the problems Windows has.
[23:09] <KM0201> thank God for choice
[23:09] <BajK> nice, just got an update for networkmanmager which fixes the auto connect issue :)
[23:09] <BajK> why cant they jost introduce rolling releases -.- it's so annoying having to wait half a year for bug fixes...
[23:10] <nemo> BajK: hm?
[23:10] <nemo> BajK: you can use ppas - and bugfixes don't wait half a year
[23:10]  * KM0201 agrees...
[23:10] <nemo> can also use proposed if you're impatient for regular bugfixes
[23:11] <nemo> heck. all my stable ubuntu machines are on the FF4 ppa
[23:11] <BajK> but thinks like bluedevil updates, networkmanager updates, everything is kept back until the next version
[23:11] <nemo> rolling releases are messy, and more feasible in source based distros
[23:11] <BajK> it took THREE months for my translation updates being integrated
[23:11] <nemo> even there they are messy though
[23:11] <BajK> so much about "bugfixes are still put in"
[23:11] <nemo> translation is hardly up there on list of bugfixes
[23:12] <nemo> Hedgewars for example though. sometimes updates are approved as bugfixes, sometimes not
[23:12] <nemo> kinda random-ish and depends on who looked at the bug we file
[23:12] <nemo> we normally recommend hardcore gamers just use the ubuntu game repo
 but thinks like bluedevil updates, networkmanager updates, everything is kept back until the next version  <-- new upstream releases rarely meet the requirements of an SRU.
[23:12] <maco> !sru
[23:12] <delac> ok... I rebooted and got the lenses back to launcher. and the icons are ok too, but now I miss lock screen and switch user in addition to the logout...
[23:13] <delac> this thing is deteriorating
[23:13] <KM0201> delac, boy you're just a complainer..lol
[23:13] <delac> :)
[23:14] <KM0201> delac, have you considered installing, so you can see if it all acts normally once installed?
[23:14] <KM0201> i don't think i've ever had logout on a live cd/usb... on any versin of ubuntu
[23:15] <KM0201> live cds/usb's are cool, but they can be buggy, encounter errors, etc.. while loading everything from RAM
[23:16] <delac> hey, it seems the logout was just suppressed in gconf. but lock screen and switch user have no settings :(
[23:17] <KM0201> delac, well don't you need two users, to use switch user?
[23:17] <KM0201> hmm, well maybe not..lol, i only have one user, and i just switched to myself..lol
[23:17] <KM0201> i would consider that a bug.
[23:18] <delac> no wait! they were too supressed. the settings just were not in the indicator applet but in gnome. HA!
[23:20] <delac> could it be that Natty suppresses those settings automatically if there is no other users? but why didn't it do it right on install but after two reboots?
[23:22] <KM0201> delac, i honestly have no idea..
[23:23] <delac> KM0201: gues what, the icons switched themselves back to beta1 outfit...
[23:23] <KM0201> lol
[23:23] <KM0201> dude, freaking install....lol... live cd's have a tendency to be buggy, and are rarely perfect
[23:27] <BluesKaj-den>  I finally configured wpa-supplicant and /etc/network/interfaces to connect thru the router to the internet,not just within the lan , but it was strange because the wifi wouldn't connect past the router 'til after I sshd into another linuxbox and open a browser . After I closed the ssh connection this pc connected thru the wifi ...I shrug and shake my head at the weirdness
[23:28] <KM0201> lol
[23:28] <Superstar> Is there a performance increase in Natty compared to Maverick?
[23:28] <KM0201> Superstar, not really.. if anything.. i think Natty is a bit slower (w/ Unity... normal Gnome, it seems comparable)
[23:28] <BajK> Superstar: therre is
[23:28] <BajK> ok well
[23:28] <BajK> I use KDE :D
[23:28] <BajK> and it feels 10 times faster
[23:28] <KM0201> BajK, gah.. KDE>.. you kiss your mother with that mouth?.. :)
[23:29] <BajK> KM0201: hö?
[23:29] <BajK> wtf? :D
[23:29] <KM0201> lol.. i just dislike KDE.. bad word in my vocabulary.. you ever heard soemone say (to someonje who swears a lot) "You kiss your mother with that mouth?".
[23:29] <BajK> I did not attend english classes when we werre talking about English saying :D
[23:30] <BajK> sayings
[23:30] <BluesKaj-den> kde 4.6 on natty is fast , but beware of font upgrades and that dumb nepomuk indexer that the devs think is so imortant , it starts hogging cpu even if it's turned off
[23:30] <KM0201> BajK, ah.. gotcha!..
[23:30] <BajK> BluesKaj-den: the font change is somewhat positive
[23:30] <BajK> if you do NOT use Font Hinting the ubuntu font looks soooo nice
[23:30] <BajK> in natty
[23:30] <KM0201> i just wish KDE didn't install a TON of freaking apps, and kept it fairly "slim" like Gnome does
[23:30] <BluesKaj-den> not in my opinion BajK :)
[23:30] <BajK> I was always jealos on those mac users for their smooth fonts
[23:31] <BajK> I even switched to the ubuntu font in natty
[23:31] <BajK> KDE's default font causes eye cancer
[23:31] <KM0201> i heard KDE hates babies and teddy bears
[23:31] <BluesKaj-den> sans serif is my fav
[23:32] <BajK> BluesKaj-den: gaaargh noooo! :D
[23:32] <BajK> that's one of the first things I turn off in KDE
[23:32] <BajK> er change it to another font
[23:32] <BajK> preferrably Droid Sans which I used to use
[23:32] <superm1> hey folks, just upgraded a box to natty, i'm noticing that changing my settings in the time/date indicator isn't sticking and deleting icons from the unity panel isn't sticking either
[23:32] <KM0201> i haven't tried KDE in forever
[23:32] <KM0201> maybe i should download 11.04 and give it a looksee
[23:32] <BajK> KM0201: do it ;)
[23:32] <BluesKaj-den> KM0201, don't listen to the (g)nomes ...they get inside your head and eat away at the brain
[23:32] <BajK> Kernel 2.6.38 + SSD + Prelinking + Qt Raster backend = faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaast
[23:32] <KM0201> lol
[23:32]  * KM0201 is a Gnome freak
[23:33] <BajK> the only downside is that OpenOffice doesnt work with Raster
[23:33] <KM0201> where can i download kubuntu 11.04?
[23:33] <KM0201> what the heck is raster?
[23:33] <BajK> but who would ever want to use poor Java software :)
[23:33] <BUGabundo> !download
[23:33] <BajK> KM0201: Raster Renderingbackend
[23:33] <BUGabundo> KM0201: ^^^^^^^
[23:33] <KM0201> hmm
[23:33] <BajK> in contrast to X11 rendering, dunno exactly what it is but I know it is pretty fast^^
[23:34] <KM0201> where can i download kubuntu 11.04?  the homepage doesn't have it clearly linked
[23:34] <BajK> KM0201: it has
[23:34] <BajK> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/natty/
[23:34] <BajK> kubuntu.org -> "Natty Beta 2 released" -> "Download"^^
[23:35] <KM0201> ah, i was looking on kubuntu..
[23:35] <BajK> I did as well ;)
[23:35] <BluesKaj-den> ok, time to check this wifi setup after a reboot ...doubt it will work without prompting
[23:36] <KM0201> ok, got the torrent downloading now.
[23:36] <nOStahl> hey guys, unity broke it seems with the update, cant search for programs now when going to the menu
[23:36] <KM0201> 4 freaking peers?  Ubuntu has like a gazillion.
[23:36] <BUGabundo> yofel: arand charlie-tca you guys remember we making a joke me being a bot? http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/05/are-you-following-a-bot/8448/
[23:36] <BajK> soo, looking back on Kubuntu since 9.04 what did the releases bring? 9.10 - don't know anymore exactly, think quicker startup . 10.04 - extreme fast startup, nice plymouth start screen, 10.10 - new revamped kpackagekit, 11.04 - FAST
[23:37] <BajK> KM0201: the only downside on Kubuntu in contrast to Ubuntu is its installer
[23:37] <BajK> Kubuntu's installer just ...
[23:37] <KM0201> hmm, whats so bad about the installer?
[23:39] <KM0201> ok, i switched to the traditional installer
[23:39] <BajK> KM0201: partitioning is slow as hell (add partition, make a coffee, add another partition, smoke a cigarette..)
[23:39] <KM0201> its going about 800k, the torrent was getting about 80k.. go figure.
[23:39] <BajK> it crashes frequently (i did not manage to install maverick on my SSD)
[23:39] <KM0201> BajK, .. hmm, well, i don't really have any serious partitioning to do, my drive is all set up, IF i decide i want to go KDE
[23:39] <BajK> it does not work with WiFi/Tethering, ubuntu's provides a full capable networking environment (even tethering using your smartfone works right away)
[23:39] <arand> BUGabundo: I don't actually rember that, must've been a while ago... Intereseting read though =)
[23:40] <BajK> but once it is up, you'll love it :)
[23:40] <BUGabundo> arand: oh, it was around cycles 8 and 9.04
[23:40] <BajK> and i don't know if I just imagine this but to me kubuntu is slower than for example Chakra (Arch with KDE)
[23:41] <KM0201> wel, Kubuntu has always seemed slow to me
[23:41] <arand> BUGabundo: Heh that was about the time I stared with ubuntu, seems ages ago to me now :/
[23:41] <BajK> KM0201: but I now know the tricks to make it fast ;)
[23:41] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: had to happen sooner or later
[23:41] <BUGabundo> tell me about it
[23:41] <BUGabundo> I've been in here since ,... I don't know... maybe 7.x
[23:41] <KM0201> i just hate the TONS of apps kubuntu comes with.. i mean, really?... Ubuntu, is fairly streamlined, a few apps, the rest, you install yourself.
[23:42] <KM0201> i'm guessing if  go Kubuntu, i'll spend a lot of time removing useless crap
[23:42] <BajK> KM0201: they should rather ship those multimedia codecs and stuff..
[23:42] <BajK> KM0201: lol
[23:42] <BajK> running otu of disk space or what?
[23:42] <KM0201> no... i just like things nice and organized
[23:42] <KM0201> i'm kinda OCD like that
[23:42] <BajK> I'm glad that on Linux you have a separation between SYTEM partiton and DATA partition
[23:42] <BajK> so wehn reinstalling
[23:42] <BajK> all I need to do is reinstall the aps and I'm set
[23:42] <yofel> BUGabundo: poor cats being misused for impersonating bots :(
[23:43] <BajK> so I dont need "organization" on my system?
[23:43] <KM0201> my mom used to tell me she could tell when I did the dishes (vs my bro and sister) because I actually organized the dirty dishes, before i washed them.
[23:43] <BUGabundo> 2007-11-06.161054+0000WET
[23:43] <BajK> it's not windows where you got a bloated registry or something
[23:43] <BUGabundo> oh well
[23:43]  * yofel only remembers BUGabundo already being here when he joined ^^
[23:43] <BUGabundo> ahah
[23:43] <BUGabundo> when was that?
[23:44] <KM0201> BUGabundo, is always at the front lines when a new release comes out.
[23:44] <KM0201> or at least i always see him here when there's a new one
[23:44] <KM0201> i think he's a glutton for punishment
[23:44] <yofel> somewhere end of 08 I think
[23:44] <BUGabundo> 2008-10-13.105353+0100GMT.txt:yofel [n=yofel@p54A24CC7.dip.t-dialin.net] entered the room.
[23:44] <yofel> :D
[23:44] <BajK> hmmm, oh man, I'm already on Linux for 12 years.. I'm getting old :D
[23:44] <BUGabundo> n00b :P
[23:45] <BUGabundo> 2008-10-20.094940+0100GMT.txt:charlie-tca [n=cjk@67.158.129.179] entered the room.
[23:45] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I havcen
[23:45] <charlie-tca> I haven't been around very long.
[23:46] <charlie-tca> this small backspace/large enter key is giving me issues
[23:46] <yofel> yep, me neither. Only started using ubuntu with gutsy (other than in a VM) before I used suse and debian a bit, but only for playing around
[23:46] <BUGabundo> I had no idea I pre-dated most of you :S
[23:47] <BUGabundo> LOL
[23:47] <BUGabundo> AFAIR many of you have always been here with me
[23:47] <arand> I remember there was BUGabundo, and this other guy, which I though was actually a girl for about a year or so (due to nick, can't remember it for the life of me though...), who always complained *loudly* about nvidia...
[23:47] <BUGabundo> 2008-09-30.151411+0100GMT.txt:(15:48:55) maco:
[23:47] <BUGabundo> ehe maco was here before my logs
[23:47] <BUGabundo> arand: MAUUAU
[23:47] <nOStahl> hey guys, unity stopped letting me launch apps by searching for them clicking that little ubuntu logo in the top left...
[23:48] <BUGabundo> I know who that is
[23:48] <nOStahl> it started after recent update
[23:48] <yofel> hm, I actually still have my xchat logs from back then, thought I had lost them
[23:48] <KM0201> lol
[23:48] <BUGabundo> I lost all my logs from before 2000 :(
[23:48] <rww> I only keep logs for a month ;P
[23:48] <nOStahl> any known issues to this problem?
[23:48] <Superstar> KM0201 I read that there was supposed to be a kernel update to improve performance. Is this negligible?
[23:49]  * KM0201 has logs from when Moses was IRC'ing about the 10 commandments
[23:49] <charlie-tca> I started back on 5.10, but I didn't get on IRC until way later
[23:49] <yofel> I'm missing some of the logs when I switched to quassel, now I stopped deleting them
[23:49] <KM0201> Superstar, not really sure, i did a bunch of updates about an hour ago, but haven't restarted yet.
[23:49] <KM0201> pretty sure one was a kernel update
[23:50] <yofel> hm, DanaG hasn't been around much lately
[23:50] <arand> yofel: That's the name!
[23:50] <yofel> heh
[23:50] <charlie-tca> I started with mailing lists, then someone told me I needed to get on IRC for meetings or something
[23:50] <KM0201> we should start our own channel when Ubuntu+1 is closed
[23:50] <charlie-tca> I saw DanaG the other night
[23:50] <KM0201> our motto could be "We reinstall ubuntu multiple times... so you don't have to"
[23:51] <charlie-tca> (in here)
[23:51] <yofel> lol
[23:51] <delac> does anyone else suffer from menubar menus not fading away properly but abruptly with white flash? (on unity desktop, not classic)
[23:51] <KM0201> pretty accurate when you think about it.
[23:52] <KM0201> delac, whats your graphics device again?..
[23:52] <BUGabundo> 2007-12-05.211850+0000WET.html:<font size="2">(2007-12-05 21:54:40)</font><b> <br/>DanaG left the room (quit: Nick collision from services.).</b><br/>
[23:52] <delac> KM0201: uh, some intel integrated... on acer d250
[23:52] <Superstar> Anyone else notice an improvement in Natty?
[23:52] <BUGabundo> Superstar: i did
[23:53] <BUGabundo> its booting *fast* again
[23:53] <KM0201> Superstar, not really... IMO, it's actually a tad slower, but i expected this due to this being the first real release w/ Unity.. Ubuntu Classic, seems comparable to Maverick
[23:53] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, you pre-date warty
[23:54] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: I started with 5.10
[23:54] <Superstar> KM0201 I know you said but I want to know more opinions. I've watched a bunch of YouTube videos but they never talk about speed comparisons
[23:54] <KM0201> ok, 2min till kubuntu 11.04 finhijshes downloading, then i'm gonna put it on USB then i'll be back.. If KDE makes my laptop melt, i'm going to be very upset with you guys.
[23:55] <KM0201> Superstar, because i don't think there's a dramatic difference between the two... or at least not enough to write home to Mother about.
[23:55] <Superstar> KM0201 :(
[23:56] <KM0201> ok guys, back in af ew minutes.
[23:58] <delac> so, no one has any problems with the menu fading animations?
[23:58] <nOStahl> im having some unity issues
[23:58] <nOStahl> after recent updates I cant search for apps to open...
[23:58] <arand> delac: Are you running the closed or open video drivers?
[23:59] <nOStahl> cant alt-f2 or anything
[23:59] <delac> arand: I dont think intel has anything but open drivers
[23:59] <nOStahl> only way im functioning is luckily I had terminal on my unity bar , thats the only apps I can launch heh