[00:56] yo~ [00:57] (^_^) === yofel_ is now known as yofel [03:14] hurm, I made a .desktop file that freezes the system [03:15] kristian-aalborg: congrats :) [03:16] you going to go in with a live CD and fix it? [03:17] no, I have to start the program before it happens [03:17] I found another desktop to use as a template to the one I just tried... let's see how that works out [03:19] absurd... same thing happens [03:19] I can move the mouse but nothing else [03:53] kristian-aalborg: Try using desktop-file-validate from desktop-file-utils on it [03:55] nhandler: thanks [04:03] alas, it seems to actually be a "feature" of the system for once, not me messing up [04:03] but enough for today [04:03] btw - holstein - did you play with minimal systems now and then? [04:04] kristian-aalborg: yup [04:05] still do [04:05] just found matchbox WM, it's neat [04:05] cool [04:05] i havent check that out [04:05] you can start an app fullscreen in it and nothing else [04:06] kristian-aalborg: just one at a time? [04:06] I have "matchbox -fullscreen gmpc" for instance... [04:06] no minimize? [04:06] yes [04:06] close the app and X dies [04:07] interesting [04:07] of course, you can use it in a more traditional way also if so inclined [04:07] you have matchbox-panel installed? [04:07] but I was getting (more) gray hairs trying to have xinit do this thing so I'm happy [04:07] * holstein looks for screenies [04:08] no, so far I have fbpanel... I might give it a look, though [04:09] that sounds fun actually [04:09] yes [04:10] it's made for mobile phones etc... [04:10] devices with the horsepower of an old computer :) [04:12] ok, see ya later === nlsthzn is now known as nlsthzn-work [06:55] can anyone help me finish off an advanced ubuntu install grub help [06:56] w00t? [06:56] what's wrong with your grub [06:58] * nlsthzn-work heard an owl... === Raju is now known as lover === lover is now known as py-raja [07:15] anyovdy help with grub2 netbook remix dual boot [07:20] UbuntuN00b: bioterror requested more information about your problem... you don't need to ask if you can ask... just ask :p [07:20] ahhh [07:21] he msgd me [07:21] and I was on phone :D [07:21] no worries [07:21] yeah [07:21] install grub on /dev/sda (which ubuntu should do automatically, I assume) and reboot [07:23] UbuntuN00b, you should boot livecd, mount your linux partition and edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg [07:23] you should look for a [07:24] I dont have linux here atm. as I am at work [07:24] but vmlinuz something [07:24] there should be UUID [07:24] and you should make sure that you have correct UUID [07:24] sudo blkid [07:24] in terminals tells you what's the UUID of your linux drive [07:24] (partition) [07:25] kk ill boot into live and get back to you in a min [07:26] can i just use gparted to mount it or do i have to do it through terminal? [07:27] you can use nautilus to mount it [07:27] or what ever you want [07:27] does not matter [07:27] !grub [07:27] grub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - See !grub2 for Karmic onwards. [07:27] !grub2 [07:27] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 [07:27] ok but /dev/sda is my master hard drive with my windows.. which is where grub was suppose to be installed too [07:28] yes [07:28] so i take it i should actuall mount that one [07:28] and you have it there [07:28] as you get into grub rescue [07:28] no [07:28] you should mount your linux drive [07:28] k [07:28] as you have something wrong with the grub parameters [07:29] ok i mounted the drive just opening terminal [07:30] so what were you saying about a UUID? [07:32] UbuntuN00b, editing the grub,cfg is not recomended follow this. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20GRUB%202 [07:33] nit-wit, you dont trust me? [07:33] I'm sure your fine but there may be an easier way.;) [07:33] brb [07:34] that's bs [07:34] as the problem is that grub cant find device [07:34] but I'm off to do work [07:34] as I get paid for that [07:34] ok [07:35] trying to install uplink (hehe), having some issues.. can't seem to set permissions to run the exe, the checkbox and menus reset themselves. i tried it as root (gksu nautilus?) with the same problem. [07:36] UbuntuN00b, if you run this script we will see what and where everything is, pastebin it if needed.http://bootinfoscript.sourceforge.net/ [07:36] alright just give me a sec i'm on my main laptop, will need to log on to irc with live/netbook [07:38] if you want to see what i have done up to now see http://paste.ubuntu.com/594346/ [07:41] UbuntuN00b, cool the script will give us the lowdown, I want to see if all the boot files and how the mbr looks [07:42] *mbr's [07:42] kk [07:52] hello [07:53] so what is the ubuntu beginners team? [07:54] nvm [07:55] .http://bootinfoscript.sourceforge.net/ [08:00] UbuntuN00b, can you run the script on that site? [08:00] yeah i just did where do i post it? [08:01] UbuntuN00b, hold on I will get you a pastebin link [08:01] kk thanks [08:02] http://paste.ubuntu.com/ [08:03] http://paste.ubuntu.com/594361/ [08:03] cool hold on [08:07] UbuntuN00b, so you haven't installed it it looks to me there is some reference but the two partitions are not the correct types. Two cards and 2 partitions. [08:08] ? [08:09] the 4gb one is my usb stick (live install) [08:10] /dev/mmcblk0p1 d11c5bd6-6651-4b6f-beeb-d2b04a14f497 ext4 [08:10] /dev/mmcblk0p5 1eb913a8-0ba4-4981-ab7b-c31bb90ca1ac swap [08:10] those are his ubuntun installations [08:10] I assume? [08:10] yup [08:10] UbuntuN00b, so is it that you can't boot xp on its own that is the problem [08:10] the loader doesnt come up at all [08:11] bioterror, I'm not familiar with that area [08:11] just goes to the rescue prompt [08:11] UbuntuN00b, do you have a xp disc [08:11] yeah [08:11] welll usb xp loader [08:12] UbuntuN00b, boot it to the command line and run /fixmbr [08:12] kk [08:12] why? [08:12] bioterror, does that make any sense to you I have never seen that notation I think it is a mistake [08:12] what I see [08:12] he has windows XP on sda1 [08:12] and grub sees it [08:12] bioterror, he has xp on the sda drive and grub in the mbr [08:12] ill wait a minute hehe [08:13] and he has linux on mmcblkup5 [08:13] hmmm [08:13] * bioterror thinks [08:13] what is mmcblkup5???? [08:13] it's a SD card [08:14] i mean if if the grub resue prompt comes up can we go from there to rout it [08:14] ? [08:14] bioterror, I have sdhc class 10 cards and have installed and never seen any thing like that but who knows [08:14] I think best option would be [08:14] fix MBR so that grub gets erased from sda [08:14] it might be because the sd/slot is not usb its pci [08:14] and install ubuntu agai on the sd card and keep care that grub gets installed on the sd card [08:14] instead of sda [08:15] no [08:15] because bios can't boot to it [08:15] acer aspire can't boot to sd/card reader [08:15] you can choose from boot menu to boot from sd card? [08:15] cant [08:15] casue its pci [08:15] right? [08:15] no [08:15] can you choose from boot menu "sd card"? [08:15] its not natively bootable [08:16] UbuntuN00b, grub generally has to be on the hd, card...etc as the install. [08:16] if the grub cant find device [08:16] it sounds like your bios cant see it, neither does grub [08:16] and you dont have that device until you have OS booted [08:17] i figured grub could because it was linuxed based [08:17] and linux can see it [08:17] I tell you something [08:17] linux is a kernel, just like windows has kernel [08:17] and it has all the drivers [08:17] so if your bios cant see the SD card, neither does grub [08:17] lame... [08:18] there were tutorials on the net i just couldn't figure them out [08:18] grub doesnt load the kernel [08:18] or how can I say it [08:18] for the acer problem [08:19] grub doesnt include itself drivers for things, it just sniffs what it can find [08:19] ubuntun00b1, can you provide us the documents? [08:19] sec [08:19] I would suggest to grab bigger drive [08:19] and make a dual boot on it [08:23] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1455622 [08:23] this isn't the one i was looking at but its the general idea [08:24] its not a huge deal.... i thought this would be a lot easier [08:24] can't put a bigger drive in... its one of the first models.. friend gave it to me [08:24] the hd is a moulded sd card connect via zif [08:26] UbuntuN00b, there is no mention of a windows set up in the master sda and doing this [08:26] it would work fine if you had a grub install in sda as well [08:26] a distro installed in sda2 for example [08:26] hmmm [08:27] that guide on that page uses legacy grub [08:27] menu.lst [08:27] maybe puppy linux with grub2 [08:28] if that was mine computer, I would ditch the XP :D [08:28] It would be a virtual if I needed it. [08:28] yeah i think thats what is going to happen... i only wanted because one of the programs i use for school doesn't work with open office [08:28] lol i dunno if virtual will run on a netbook [08:29] ubuntun00b1, which program? [08:29] alright well im gonna give up [08:29] endnote [08:29] the main reason i wanted ubuntu on the card reader [08:29] is it has faster read write speed over the internal [08:29] haha [08:29] slow SSD = fail [08:30] and you cant even replace it [08:30] UbuntuN00b, I have the aspire d250 maxed the ram to 2 gigs runs lioke a champ, regular hd though [08:30] yeah this is the littl hd has like write 30 read 20 [08:30] class 10 sd cared is 30/30 [08:31] i did try and put a 2nd generation ipod hd in it.. because there zif [08:31] UbuntuN00b, I found my sdhc class 10 to transfer at 20MB but run very choppy with a install [08:31] but the hd was dead [08:31] lame.. [08:31] i think if i install ubuntu. the sdcard will be merged automatically [08:31] into the space [08:31] thats what i have been reading anyways [08:33] anyways my gf has been mad at me for the last couple hours because i have been playing with this [08:33] so i should go [08:33] thanks for the help guys [08:33] ill drop in tomorrow [08:33] lol probably have more questions [08:33] hahaha [08:33] couple of hours [08:33] that's nothing [08:33] well actually all day... [08:33] lol [08:33] hahaha [08:33] and some of last night [08:33] that's more like it! [08:34] yeah hard for me becaus i don't know the terminal commands [08:34] seems like you've found the fun part of Linux [08:34] i use to be a techy [08:34] so i know how sometime things can just take hours [08:35] always for windows though [08:35] really like the feel on ubuntu [08:35] The windows computers on my network are no longer showing up in the Network folder... is there any way for me to refresh it? [08:35] anyways night guys [08:35] night === Raju is now known as loveme === loveme is now known as raju [09:34] Hello. [09:35] Hello [09:44] Good %greeting_time% [09:44] windows :D [09:44] nope, novell netware [09:49] for example you can type in "run box" %userprofile%\local settings [09:51] %userprofile%\local settings\Application Data that's handy [09:56] lol [09:56] ((: [10:09] me thinks bioterror lost it some time ago [10:37] Yo all! [10:38] * nlsthzn-work spies zkriesse here too... spooky [10:38] haha [10:39] hey zach [11:57] bioterror: %appdata% [11:57] * MichealH runs [11:58] :D [11:58] I didnt remember that :D [11:58] that's even better! [12:08] heh [12:10] with AD you can use %user% when doing network mappings === MrChrisDruif is now known as MrChrisDruif|AFK === MrChrisDruif|AFK is now known as MrChrisDruif [12:37] can anyone help with windows [12:38] Hmmm go on === Timo__ is now known as Timo_ [14:54] I got told to come here after I could not be helped in #xubuntu [14:54] I installed Xubuntu on an older computer and have had ubuntu on my new laptop for quite some time now. I have a linksys wireless G network card for the older desktop. when I plug it in it powers up but xubuntu cannot find any wireless networks. or even show that its working. however when I plug the wireless adapter into my laptop it works perfectly. so A. is there a way to get this network adapter to work on xubunu. and if not can I harvest [14:54] the dr [14:54] ivers from this machine to the other [14:57] attackulz: do you have both open now? [14:57] the first thing i would do on both is open a terminal [14:58] and run uname -r [14:58] this will tell you what kernel is running on both machines [14:58] attackulz: that should just be one little line of info [14:59] if you want to paste that here [15:03] ....or not [15:05] sorry thought no one was here i went and got a coffee [15:05] let me know if your still here [15:07] attackulz: o/ [15:08] so my code is 'uname -r' [15:08] code? [15:08] in terminal [15:08] i type what [15:08] its just a command to print what kernel is being used [15:08] uname -r [15:09] in a terminal [15:09] k [15:10] laptop : 2.6.35-28-generic-pae [15:10] and desktop is the same [15:11] desktop? [15:11] this is a pcmcia card? [15:11] or USB? [15:11] usb [15:11] OK [15:11] and no its not USB 2 on a USB 1 [15:12] well, you dont know what the kernel is using it as [15:12] but... [15:12] attackulz: did you do anything on the ubuntu machine? [15:12] install restricted drivers? [15:12] you just plugged it in and it worked? [15:15] yeah [15:15] OK [15:15] 2 suggestions [15:15] sorry man im here 100% now [15:15] i would go to the ubuntu machine [15:15] with the device in and working [15:15] im on it [15:15] and confirm that you did *not* install any restricted drivers [15:16] and the system is not using any [15:16] then, i would use the normal ubuntu live CD on the machine that is running xubuntu [15:16] and see if it 'just works' on that hardware [15:17] and if it does.. [15:17] then you know its possible [15:17] lmao [15:17] i doubt it will run [15:17] ? [15:17] but ill tr [15:17] whats minimum for ubuntu again? [15:18] i dont know [15:18] i usually just try it [15:18] 256 i think is the suggestion [15:18] thats for x [15:18] attackulz: before you shut it down [15:18] the xubuntu machine [15:18] plug the wifi dongle in [15:18] and run a couple commands in the terminal [15:19] alright let me know what ones [15:19] this is looking for the device [15:19] not sure what it will be called [15:20] BUT you can run these commands on the ubuntu machine too [15:20] and note what the device is called [15:20] ok [15:20] thats handy for troubleshooting :) [15:20] anyways... [15:20] in a terminal [15:20] lspci [15:20] and/or [15:20] lsusb [15:20] yeah i did lspci [15:20] but not on this machine [15:21] i find, if you see the device with lsusb [15:21] its easier to get it going [15:22] yeah [15:23] attackulz: it is also pretty easy to wire the machine up for a minute [15:23] i got it on the laptop with lsusb [15:23] and upgrade packages [15:23] sometimes an update can fix functionality for a device [15:23] or break it :/ [15:23] how can I update without an internet connection [15:24] im assuming you can wire it up [15:24] doing it without net is tricky [15:24] you'd need to DL the updated packages [15:24] my 3 apt building shares a router [15:24] its downstairs [15:24] im up [15:24] attackulz: its just an option [15:24] getting a ethernet cord is one fucking chore [15:24] if you get frustrated later [15:24] i wish [15:25] yeah nothing shows up on the desktop with lsusb. okay im going to try installing ubuntu [15:25] attackulz: dont install it [15:25] just run it live [15:26] oh ya [15:26] see if you can use it from the live desktop [15:26] however... [15:26] then you'll have a better idea of if its the hardware or not [15:26] the desktop would not even run XUBUNTU with live desktop [15:26] that'll take xubuntu out of the equation [15:26] until it was installed [15:26] so i doubt it will run ubuntu [15:26] hmmmm [15:26] from cd [15:27] well, you can wait around if you want [15:27] im sure there are some other CLI tricks im not hip to [15:27] but, it sure sounds like you might have a hardware problem [15:27] yeah i know [15:27] with USB on the desktop [15:28] well your a good troubleshooter [15:28] if you didnt use any proprietary drivers [15:28] and the kernels are the same [15:28] no i didnt and yes they are [15:28] thats it really [15:28] well im still glad i switched to linux [15:28] the speed is incredible [15:28] yeah, its fiddly with older hardware [15:28] windows7- this [15:29] i like [15:29] theres one thing i dont know about however [15:30] attackulz: i would try all the USB ports on the desktop [15:30] also [15:30] with macs. its nearly impossible to get viruses and spyware ect... is it the same or somewhat the same with linux? [15:30] if you have another USB PCI card [15:30] i would try that [15:30] yeah i tried them both. and my usb mouse works fine in both [15:30] attackulz: that is interesting [15:30] on the ubuntu machine [15:31] it shows up in lspci? [15:31] no [15:31] lsusb? [15:31] yes [15:31] OK [15:31] so, if you can get any live CD going at all [15:31] even if you cant get to a desktop [15:31] its loading now. [15:31] and you want to check it [15:32] you can run that command [15:32] in TTY even [15:32] lsusb [15:32] ok [15:32] sweet [15:32] whats some other usefull commands? ive only had ubuntu for like 3 months now [15:32] just starting to get used to it after 15 years of windows [15:33] theres all kinds really [15:33] i use ping a lot [15:33] ping -c 4 google.com [15:33] why bother ubuntu has a ping tool [15:33] and thats the same comman [15:33] almost if u were on windows [15:33] ahaha [15:33] so on security... [15:34]