[00:56] <sogepp> yo~
[00:57] <jiohdi> (^_^)
[03:14] <kristian-aalborg> hurm, I made a .desktop file that freezes the system
[03:15] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: congrats :)
[03:16] <holstein> you going to go in with a live CD and fix it?
[03:17] <kristian-aalborg> no, I have to start the program before it happens
[03:17] <kristian-aalborg> I found another desktop to use as a template to the one I just tried... let's see how that works out
[03:19] <kristian-aalborg> absurd... same thing happens
[03:19] <kristian-aalborg> I can move the mouse but nothing else
[03:53] <nhandler> kristian-aalborg: Try using desktop-file-validate from desktop-file-utils on it
[03:55] <kristian-aalborg> nhandler: thanks
[04:03] <kristian-aalborg> alas, it seems to actually be a "feature" of the system for once, not me messing up
[04:03] <kristian-aalborg> but enough for today
[04:03] <kristian-aalborg> btw - holstein - did you play with minimal systems now and then?
[04:04] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: yup
[04:05] <holstein> still do
[04:05] <kristian-aalborg> just found matchbox WM, it's neat
[04:05] <holstein> cool
[04:05] <holstein> i havent check that out
[04:05] <kristian-aalborg> you can start an app fullscreen in it and nothing else
[04:06] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: just one at a time?
[04:06] <kristian-aalborg> I have "matchbox -fullscreen gmpc" for instance...
[04:06] <holstein> no minimize?
[04:06] <kristian-aalborg> yes
[04:06] <kristian-aalborg> close the app and X dies
[04:07] <holstein> interesting
[04:07] <kristian-aalborg> of course, you can use it in a more traditional way also if so inclined
[04:07] <holstein> you have matchbox-panel installed?
[04:07] <kristian-aalborg> but I was getting (more) gray hairs trying to have xinit do this thing so I'm happy
[04:07]  * holstein looks for screenies
[04:08] <kristian-aalborg> no, so far I have fbpanel... I might give it a look, though
[04:09] <holstein> that sounds fun actually
[04:09] <kristian-aalborg> yes
[04:10] <kristian-aalborg> it's made for mobile phones etc...
[04:10] <kristian-aalborg> devices with the horsepower of an old computer :)
[04:12] <kristian-aalborg> ok, see ya later
[06:55] <UbuntuN00b> can anyone help me finish off an advanced ubuntu install grub help
[06:56] <bioterror> w00t?
[06:56] <bioterror> what's wrong with your grub
[06:58]  * nlsthzn-work heard an owl... 
[07:15] <UbuntuN00b> anyovdy help with grub2 netbook remix dual boot
[07:20] <nlsthzn-work> UbuntuN00b: bioterror requested more information about your problem... you don't need to ask if you can ask... just ask :p
[07:20] <bioterror> ahhh
[07:21] <bioterror> he msgd me
[07:21] <bioterror> and I was on phone :D
[07:21] <UbuntuN00b> no worries
[07:21] <bioterror> yeah
[07:21] <bioterror> install grub on /dev/sda (which ubuntu should do automatically, I assume) and reboot
[07:23] <bioterror> UbuntuN00b, you should boot livecd, mount your linux partition and edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[07:23] <bioterror> you should look for a
[07:24] <bioterror> I dont have linux here atm. as I am at work
[07:24] <bioterror> but vmlinuz something
[07:24] <bioterror> there should be UUID
[07:24] <bioterror> and you should make sure that you have correct UUID
[07:24] <bioterror> sudo blkid
[07:24] <bioterror> in terminals tells you what's the UUID of your linux drive
[07:24] <bioterror> (partition)
[07:25] <UbuntuN00b> kk ill boot into live and get back to you in a min
[07:26] <UbuntuN00b> can i just use gparted to mount it or do i have to do it through terminal?
[07:27] <bioterror> you can use nautilus to mount it
[07:27] <bioterror> or what ever you want
[07:27] <bioterror> does not matter
[07:27] <bioterror> !grub
[07:27] <ubot2> grub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - See !grub2 for Karmic onwards.
[07:27] <bioterror> !grub2
[07:27] <ubot2> GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[07:27] <UbuntuN00b> ok but /dev/sda is my master hard drive with my windows.. which is where grub was suppose to be installed too
[07:28] <bioterror> yes
[07:28] <UbuntuN00b> so i take it i should actuall mount that one
[07:28] <bioterror> and you have it there
[07:28] <bioterror> as you get into grub rescue
[07:28] <bioterror> no
[07:28] <bioterror> you should mount your linux drive
[07:28] <UbuntuN00b> k
[07:28] <bioterror> as you have something wrong with the grub parameters
[07:29] <UbuntuN00b> ok i mounted the drive just opening terminal
[07:30] <UbuntuN00b> so what were you saying about a UUID?
[07:32] <nit-wit> UbuntuN00b, editing the grub,cfg is not recomended follow this. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20GRUB%202
[07:33] <bioterror> nit-wit, you dont trust me?
[07:33] <nit-wit> I'm sure your fine but there may be an easier way.;)
[07:33] <nit-wit> brb
[07:34] <bioterror> that's bs
[07:34] <bioterror> as the problem is that grub cant find device
[07:34] <bioterror> but I'm off to do work
[07:34] <bioterror> as I get paid for that
[07:34] <UbuntuN00b> ok
[07:35] <komatose> trying to install uplink (hehe), having some issues.. can't seem to set permissions to run the exe, the checkbox and menus reset themselves. i tried it as root (gksu nautilus?) with the same problem.
[07:36] <nit-wit> UbuntuN00b, if you run this script we will see what and where everything is, pastebin it if needed.http://bootinfoscript.sourceforge.net/
[07:36] <UbuntuN00b> alright just give me a sec i'm on my main laptop, will need to log on to irc with live/netbook
[07:38] <UbuntuN00b> if you want to see what i have done up to now see http://paste.ubuntu.com/594346/
[07:41] <nit-wit> UbuntuN00b, cool the script will give us the lowdown, I want to see if all the boot files and how the mbr looks
[07:42] <nit-wit> *mbr's
[07:42] <UbuntuN00b> kk
[07:52] <keidori> hello
[07:53] <keidori> so what is the ubuntu beginners team?
[07:54] <keidori> nvm
[07:55] <UbuntuN00b> .http://bootinfoscript.sourceforge.net/
[08:00] <nit-wit> UbuntuN00b, can you run the script on that site?
[08:00] <ubuntun00b1> yeah i just did where do i post it?
[08:01] <nit-wit> UbuntuN00b, hold on I will get you a pastebin link
[08:01] <ubuntun00b1> kk thanks
[08:02] <nit-wit> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[08:03] <ubuntun00b1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/594361/
[08:03] <nit-wit> cool hold on
[08:07] <nit-wit> UbuntuN00b, so you haven't installed it it looks to me there is some reference but the two partitions are not the correct types. Two cards and 2 partitions.
[08:08] <ubuntun00b1> ?
[08:09] <ubuntun00b1> the 4gb one is my usb stick (live install)
[08:10] <bioterror> /dev/mmcblk0p1   d11c5bd6-6651-4b6f-beeb-d2b04a14f497   ext4
[08:10] <bioterror> /dev/mmcblk0p5   1eb913a8-0ba4-4981-ab7b-c31bb90ca1ac   swap
[08:10] <bioterror> those are his ubuntun installations
[08:10] <bioterror> I assume?
[08:10] <ubuntun00b1> yup
[08:10] <nit-wit> UbuntuN00b, so is it that you can't boot xp on its own that is the problem
[08:10] <ubuntun00b1> the loader doesnt come up at all
[08:11] <nit-wit> bioterror, I'm not familiar with that area
[08:11] <ubuntun00b1> just goes to the rescue prompt
[08:11] <nit-wit> UbuntuN00b, do you have a xp disc
[08:11] <ubuntun00b1> yeah
[08:11] <ubuntun00b1> welll usb xp loader
[08:12] <nit-wit> UbuntuN00b, boot it to the command line and run /fixmbr
[08:12] <ubuntun00b1> kk
[08:12] <bioterror> why?
[08:12] <nit-wit> bioterror, does that make any sense to you I have never seen that notation I think it is a mistake
[08:12] <bioterror> what I see
[08:12] <bioterror> he has windows XP on sda1
[08:12] <bioterror> and grub sees it
[08:12] <nit-wit> bioterror, he has xp on the sda drive and grub in the mbr
[08:12] <ubuntun00b1> ill wait a minute hehe
[08:13] <bioterror> and he has linux on mmcblkup5
[08:13] <bioterror> hmmm
[08:13]  * bioterror thinks
[08:13] <nit-wit> what is mmcblkup5????
[08:13] <bioterror> it's a SD card
[08:14] <ubuntun00b1> i mean if if the grub resue prompt comes up can we go from there to rout it
[08:14] <ubuntun00b1> ?
[08:14] <nit-wit> bioterror, I have sdhc class 10 cards and have installed and never seen any thing like that but who knows
[08:14] <bioterror> I think best option would be
[08:14] <bioterror> fix MBR so that grub gets erased from sda
[08:14] <ubuntun00b1> it might be because the sd/slot is not usb its pci
[08:14] <bioterror> and install ubuntu agai on the sd card and keep care that grub gets installed on the sd card
[08:14] <bioterror> instead of sda
[08:15] <ubuntun00b1> no
[08:15] <ubuntun00b1> because bios can't boot to it
[08:15] <ubuntun00b1> acer aspire can't boot to sd/card reader
[08:15] <bioterror> you can choose from boot menu to boot from sd card?
[08:15] <bioterror> cant
[08:15] <ubuntun00b1> casue its pci
[08:15] <bioterror> right?
[08:15] <ubuntun00b1> no
[08:15] <bioterror> can you choose from boot menu "sd card"?
[08:15] <ubuntun00b1> its not natively bootable
[08:16] <nit-wit> UbuntuN00b, grub generally has to be on the hd, card...etc as the install.
[08:16] <bioterror> if the grub cant find device
[08:16] <bioterror> it sounds like your bios cant see it, neither does grub
[08:16] <bioterror> and you dont have that device until you have OS booted
[08:17] <ubuntun00b1> i figured grub could because it was linuxed based
[08:17] <ubuntun00b1> and linux can see it
[08:17] <bioterror> I tell you something
[08:17] <bioterror> linux is a kernel, just like windows has kernel
[08:17] <bioterror> and it has all the drivers
[08:17] <bioterror> so if your bios cant see the SD card, neither does grub
[08:17] <ubuntun00b1> lame...
[08:18] <ubuntun00b1> there were tutorials on the net i just couldn't figure them out
[08:18] <bioterror> grub doesnt load the kernel
[08:18] <bioterror> or how can I say it
[08:18] <ubuntun00b1> for the acer problem
[08:19] <bioterror> grub doesnt include itself drivers for things, it just sniffs what it can find
[08:19] <bioterror> ubuntun00b1, can you provide us the documents?
[08:19] <ubuntun00b1> sec
[08:19] <bioterror> I would suggest to grab bigger drive
[08:19] <bioterror> and make a dual boot on it
[08:23] <ubuntun00b1> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1455622
[08:23] <ubuntun00b1> this isn't the one i was looking at but its the general idea
[08:24] <ubuntun00b1> its not a huge deal.... i thought this would be a lot easier
[08:24] <ubuntun00b1> can't put a bigger drive in... its one of the first models.. friend gave it to me
[08:24] <ubuntun00b1> the hd is a moulded sd card connect via zif
[08:26] <nit-wit> UbuntuN00b, there is no mention of a windows set up in the master sda and doing this
[08:26] <nit-wit> it would work fine if you had a grub install in sda as well
[08:26] <nit-wit> a distro installed in sda2 for example
[08:26] <bioterror> hmmm
[08:27] <bioterror> that guide on that page uses legacy grub
[08:27] <bioterror> menu.lst
[08:27] <nit-wit> maybe puppy linux with grub2
[08:28] <bioterror> if that was mine computer, I would ditch the XP :D
[08:28] <nit-wit> It would be a virtual if I needed it.
[08:28] <ubuntun00b1> yeah i think thats what is going to happen... i only wanted  because one of the programs i use for school doesn't work with open office
[08:28] <ubuntun00b1> lol i dunno if virtual will run on a netbook
[08:29] <bioterror> ubuntun00b1, which program?
[08:29] <ubuntun00b1> alright well im gonna give up
[08:29] <ubuntun00b1> endnote
[08:29] <ubuntun00b1> the main reason i wanted ubuntu on the card reader
[08:29] <ubuntun00b1> is it has faster read write speed over the internal
[08:29] <bioterror> haha
[08:29] <bioterror> slow SSD = fail
[08:30] <bioterror> and you cant even replace it
[08:30] <nit-wit> UbuntuN00b, I have the aspire d250 maxed the ram  to 2 gigs runs lioke a champ, regular hd though
[08:30] <ubuntun00b1> yeah this is the littl hd has like write 30 read 20
[08:30] <ubuntun00b1> class 10 sd cared is 30/30
[08:31] <ubuntun00b1> i did try and put a 2nd generation ipod hd in it.. because there zif
[08:31] <nit-wit> UbuntuN00b, I found my sdhc class 10 to transfer at 20MB but run very choppy with a install
[08:31] <ubuntun00b1> but the hd was dead
[08:31] <ubuntun00b1> lame..
[08:31] <ubuntun00b1> i think if i install ubuntu. the sdcard will be merged automatically
[08:31] <ubuntun00b1> into the space
[08:31] <ubuntun00b1> thats what i have been reading anyways
[08:33] <ubuntun00b1> anyways my gf has been mad at me for the last couple hours because i have been playing with this
[08:33] <ubuntun00b1> so i should go
[08:33] <ubuntun00b1> thanks for the help guys
[08:33] <ubuntun00b1> ill drop in tomorrow
[08:33] <ubuntun00b1> lol probably have more questions
[08:33] <bioterror> hahaha
[08:33] <bioterror> couple of hours
[08:33] <bioterror> that's nothing
[08:33] <ubuntun00b1> well actually all day...
[08:33] <ubuntun00b1> lol
[08:33] <bioterror> hahaha
[08:33] <ubuntun00b1> and some of last night
[08:33] <bioterror> that's more like it!
[08:34] <ubuntun00b1> yeah hard for me becaus i don't know the terminal commands
[08:34] <bioterror> seems like you've found the fun part of Linux
[08:34] <ubuntun00b1> i use to be a techy
[08:34] <ubuntun00b1> so i know how sometime things can just take hours
[08:35] <ubuntun00b1> always for windows though
[08:35] <ubuntun00b1> really like the feel on ubuntu
[08:35] <MK``> The windows computers on my network are no longer showing up in the Network folder... is there any way for me to refresh it?
[08:35] <ubuntun00b1> anyways night guys
[08:35] <MK``> night
[09:34] <s-fox> Hello.
[09:35] <raju> Hello
[09:44] <UndiFineD> Good %greeting_time%
[09:44] <bioterror> windows :D
[09:44] <UndiFineD> nope, novell netware
[09:49] <bioterror> for example you can type in "run box" %userprofile%\local settings
[09:51] <bioterror> %userprofile%\local settings\Application Data  that's handy
[09:56] <Puck`> lol
[09:56] <Puck`> ((:
[10:09] <UndiFineD> me thinks bioterror lost it some time ago
[10:37] <zkriesse> Yo all!
[10:38]  * nlsthzn-work spies zkriesse here too... spooky
[10:38] <zkriesse> haha
[10:39] <UndiFineD> hey zach
[11:57] <MichealH> bioterror: %appdata%
[11:57]  * MichealH runs
[11:58] <bioterror> :D
[11:58] <bioterror> I didnt remember that :D
[11:58] <bioterror> that's even better!
[12:08] <MichealH> heh
[12:10] <bioterror> with AD you can use %user% when doing network mappings
[12:37] <sherbydip1> can anyone help with windows
[12:38] <Raju> Hmmm go on
[14:54] <attackulz> I got told to come here after I could not be helped in #xubuntu
[14:54] <attackulz> I installed Xubuntu on an older computer and have had ubuntu on my new laptop for quite some time now. I have a linksys wireless G network card for the older desktop. when I plug it in it powers up but xubuntu cannot find any wireless networks. or even show that its working. however when I plug the wireless adapter into my laptop it works perfectly. so A. is there a way to get this network adapter to work on xubunu. and if not can I harvest
[14:54] <attackulz>  the dr
[14:54] <attackulz> ivers from this machine to the other
[14:57] <holstein> attackulz: do you have both open now?
[14:57] <holstein> the first thing i would do on both is open a terminal
[14:58] <holstein> and run uname -r
[14:58] <holstein> this will tell you what kernel is running on both machines
[14:58] <holstein> attackulz: that should just be one little line of info
[14:59] <holstein> if you want to paste that here
[15:03] <holstein> ....or not
[15:05] <attackulz> sorry thought no one was here i went and got a coffee
[15:05] <attackulz> let me know if your still here
[15:07] <holstein> attackulz: o/
[15:08] <attackulz> so my code is 'uname -r'
[15:08] <holstein> code?
[15:08] <attackulz> in terminal
[15:08] <attackulz> i type what
[15:08] <holstein> its just a command to print what kernel is being used
[15:08] <holstein> uname -r
[15:09] <holstein> in a terminal
[15:09] <attackulz> k
[15:10] <attackulz> laptop : 2.6.35-28-generic-pae
[15:10] <attackulz> and desktop is the same
[15:11] <holstein> desktop?
[15:11] <holstein> this is a pcmcia card?
[15:11] <holstein> or USB?
[15:11] <attackulz> usb
[15:11] <holstein> OK
[15:11] <attackulz> and no its not USB 2 on a USB 1
[15:12] <holstein> well, you dont know what the kernel is using it as
[15:12] <holstein> but...
[15:12] <holstein> attackulz: did you do anything on the ubuntu machine?
[15:12] <holstein> install restricted drivers?
[15:12] <holstein> you just plugged it in and it worked?
[15:15] <attackulz> yeah
[15:15] <holstein> OK
[15:15] <holstein> 2 suggestions
[15:15] <attackulz> sorry man im here 100% now
[15:15] <holstein> i would go to the ubuntu machine
[15:15] <holstein> with the device in and working
[15:15] <attackulz> im on it
[15:15] <holstein> and confirm that you did *not* install any restricted drivers
[15:16] <holstein> and the system is not using any
[15:16] <holstein> then, i would use the normal ubuntu live CD on the machine that is running xubuntu
[15:16] <holstein> and see if it 'just works' on that hardware
[15:17] <attackulz> and if it does..
[15:17] <holstein> then you know its possible
[15:17] <attackulz> lmao
[15:17] <attackulz> i doubt it will run
[15:17] <holstein> ?
[15:17] <attackulz> but ill tr
[15:17] <attackulz> whats minimum for ubuntu again?
[15:18] <holstein> i dont know
[15:18] <holstein> i usually just try it
[15:18] <holstein> 256 i think is the suggestion
[15:18] <attackulz> thats for x
[15:18] <holstein> attackulz: before you shut it down
[15:18] <holstein> the xubuntu machine
[15:18] <holstein> plug the wifi dongle in
[15:18] <holstein> and run a couple commands in the terminal
[15:19] <attackulz> alright let me know what ones
[15:19] <holstein> this is looking for the device
[15:19] <holstein> not sure what it will be called
[15:20] <holstein> BUT you can run these commands on the ubuntu machine too
[15:20] <holstein> and note what the device is called
[15:20] <attackulz> ok
[15:20] <holstein> thats handy for troubleshooting :)
[15:20] <holstein> anyways...
[15:20] <holstein> in a terminal
[15:20] <holstein> lspci
[15:20] <holstein> and/or
[15:20] <holstein> lsusb
[15:20] <attackulz> yeah i did lspci
[15:20] <attackulz> but not on this machine
[15:21] <holstein> i find, if you see the device with lsusb
[15:21] <holstein> its easier to get it going
[15:22] <attackulz> yeah
[15:23] <holstein> attackulz: it is also pretty easy to wire the machine up for a minute
[15:23] <attackulz> i got it on the laptop with lsusb
[15:23] <holstein> and upgrade packages
[15:23] <holstein> sometimes an update can fix functionality for a device
[15:23] <holstein> or break it :/
[15:23] <attackulz> how can I update without an internet connection
[15:24] <holstein> im assuming you can wire it up
[15:24] <holstein> doing it without net is tricky
[15:24] <holstein> you'd need to DL the updated packages
[15:24] <attackulz> my 3 apt building shares a router
[15:24] <attackulz> its downstairs
[15:24] <attackulz> im up
[15:24] <holstein> attackulz: its just an option
[15:24] <attackulz> getting a ethernet cord is one fucking chore
[15:24] <holstein> if you get frustrated later
[15:24] <attackulz> i wish
[15:25] <attackulz> yeah nothing shows up on the desktop with lsusb. okay im going to try installing ubuntu
[15:25] <holstein> attackulz: dont install it
[15:25] <holstein> just run it live
[15:26] <attackulz> oh ya
[15:26] <holstein> see if you can use it from the live desktop
[15:26] <attackulz> however...
[15:26] <holstein> then you'll have a better idea of if its the hardware or not
[15:26] <attackulz> the desktop would not even run XUBUNTU with live desktop
[15:26] <holstein> that'll take xubuntu out of the equation
[15:26] <attackulz> until it was installed
[15:26] <attackulz> so i doubt it will run ubuntu
[15:26] <holstein> hmmmm
[15:26] <attackulz> from cd
[15:27] <holstein> well, you can wait around if you want
[15:27] <holstein> im sure there are some other CLI tricks im not hip to
[15:27] <holstein> but, it sure sounds like you might have a hardware problem
[15:27] <attackulz> yeah i know
[15:27] <holstein> with USB on the desktop
[15:28] <attackulz> well your a good troubleshooter
[15:28] <holstein> if you didnt use any proprietary drivers
[15:28] <holstein> and the kernels are the same
[15:28] <attackulz> no i didnt and yes they are
[15:28] <holstein> thats it really
[15:28] <attackulz> well im still glad i switched to linux
[15:28] <attackulz> the speed is incredible
[15:28] <holstein> yeah, its fiddly with older hardware
[15:28] <attackulz> windows7- this
[15:29] <attackulz> i like
[15:29] <attackulz> theres one thing i dont know about however
[15:30] <holstein> attackulz: i would try all the USB ports on the desktop
[15:30] <holstein> also
[15:30] <attackulz> with macs. its nearly impossible to get viruses and spyware ect... is it the same or somewhat the same with linux?
[15:30] <holstein> if you have another USB PCI card
[15:30] <holstein> i would try that
[15:30] <attackulz> yeah i tried them both.  and my usb mouse works fine in both
[15:30] <holstein> attackulz: that is interesting
[15:30] <holstein> on the ubuntu machine
[15:31] <holstein> it shows up in lspci?
[15:31] <attackulz> no
[15:31] <holstein> lsusb?
[15:31] <attackulz> yes
[15:31] <holstein> OK
[15:31] <holstein> so, if you can get any live CD going at all
[15:31] <holstein> even if you cant get to a desktop
[15:31] <attackulz> its loading now.
[15:31] <holstein> and you want to check it
[15:32] <holstein> you can run that command
[15:32] <holstein> in TTY even
[15:32] <holstein> lsusb
[15:32] <attackulz> ok
[15:32] <attackulz> sweet
[15:32] <attackulz> whats some other usefull commands? ive only had ubuntu for like 3 months now
[15:32] <attackulz> just starting to get used to it after 15 years of windows
[15:33] <holstein> theres all kinds really
[15:33] <holstein> i use ping a lot
[15:33] <holstein> ping -c 4 google.com
[15:33] <attackulz> why bother ubuntu has a ping tool
[15:33] <attackulz> and thats the same comman
[15:33] <attackulz> almost if u were on windows
[15:33] <attackulz> ahaha
[15:33] <holstein> so on security...
[15:34] <holstein> i usually suggest folks do what makes them feel safe
[15:34] <holstein> there are some basic things about linux and OSX that make them more secure in a lot of ways
[15:35] <holstein> but no system is 100% safe
[15:35] <holstein> i say, do what makes you feel safe
[15:35] <holstein> and read
[15:35] <holstein> and ask questions
[15:36] <holstein> be cautious running commands as root
[15:36] <holstein> sudo whatever
[15:36] <attackulz> ok
[15:36] <attackulz> i Guess im not used to how nice the ubuntu community is
[15:36] <holstein> yeah, its a good communtiy
[15:36] <holstein> but still
[15:36] <holstein> if someone says 'run this command'
[15:36] <attackulz> normally with computer software and whatnot you ask questions. and you normally get assulted
[15:36] <holstein> you can google it first
[15:36] <holstein> and read
[15:36] <attackulz> or get called somthing childish like a noob
[15:36] <holstein> OR just ask
[15:37] <holstein> like
[15:37] <holstein> sudo fdisk -l
[15:37] <kevin6888> hey everybody
[15:37] <holstein> i use that command a lot
[15:37] <attackulz> oh my god
[15:37] <attackulz> ubuntu i believe is going to run
[15:37] <kevin6888> have you tried to sync up with your local ubuntu user group attackulz ?
[15:37] <holstein> kevin6888: good call :)
[15:37] <attackulz> explain...
[15:37] <holstein> http://loco.ubuntu.com/
[15:38] <attackulz> ohh
[15:38] <kevin6888> like, making friends with people local to you that use ubuntu
[15:38] <attackulz> hicktown, cananda. I dont even think most of the population own a computer in this area
[15:38] <holstein> youd be surprised
[15:39] <kevin6888> attackulz: you might start off with your province.  drop a pebble in a pond you get ripples
[15:39] <attackulz> one more question. is there any clients like MIRC for ubuntu? same style.  or how easy is it to run mirc on wine
[15:39] <holstein> lots of them
[15:40] <holstein> i think xchat right kevin6888 ?
[15:40] <kevin6888> attackulz: holstein: yeah, xchat
[15:41] <kevin6888> attackulz: i'd investigate irssi if i were you.  it's pretty awesome, it's terminal based.  very reliable...robust, and efficient when you learn how to use it
[15:41] <holstein> if i ran a GUI chat, id use xchat
[15:41] <kevin6888> in your spare time, attackulz
[15:41] <kevin6888> holstein: same here
[15:41] <holstein> yeah, irssi + screen is a win
[15:42] <kevin6888> +1
[15:44] <charlie-tca> holstein: thanks for helping attackulz. I knew they could get more patience and help here than I had today.
[15:45] <holstein> charlie-tca: no worries
[15:46] <attackulz> sorry
[15:46] <attackulz> laptop died
[15:46] <attackulz> live cd worked
[15:46] <attackulz> showing connections
[15:46] <attackulz> so im now installing ubuntu
[15:46] <holstein> attackulz: interesting
[15:46] <attackulz> cuase it was running faster then xubuntu was
[15:46] <attackulz> even from the cd
[15:46] <holstein> attackulz: that might be the path of least resistance for you
[15:46] <attackulz> so lets hope she installs
[15:46] <attackulz> and runs smooth
[15:47] <holstein> though we should be able to make xubuntu use it
[15:47] <holstein> i need to look at xubuntu again
[15:47] <attackulz> id rahter use ubuntu if it runs good
[15:47] <holstein> attackulz: yeah, its what you got on the other box
[15:48] <holstein> might as well
[15:48] <attackulz> yep
[15:48] <attackulz> I thought the desktop could not handle it
[15:48] <attackulz> but apparently not
[15:48] <charlie-tca> Almost always easier to have the same on both, at least when starting to learn linux
[15:48] <attackulz> I just upgraded the ram last night so that may be why
[15:48] <holstein> yeah, that'll help
[15:52] <attackulz> thanks boys
[15:54] <kevin6888> boys=guys girls=gals?
[15:54] <kevin6888> "girls" are tricky
[15:54] <attackulz> well i know charlie and kevin are guys names
[15:54] <attackulz> dont know about holstein
[15:55]  * holstein is male too
[15:55] <attackulz> if your a lady, then thank you ladies and gents
[15:55] <holstein> anytime attackulz :)
[15:55] <attackulz> you may see me time to time
[15:55] <charlie-tca> Glad you got something that works!
[15:55] <attackulz> but i generally keep IRC on
[15:55] <attackulz> yeah finally ahaha
[15:56] <kevin6888> good things come to those who wait :)
[15:56] <attackulz> it is strange that it would not show up on xubuntu
[15:56] <attackulz> but would on ubuntu
[15:56] <attackulz> same kernals
[15:56] <attackulz> im confused
[15:56] <kevin6888> strange=mysterious
[15:56] <charlie-tca> very. that bothers me a lot
[15:56] <holstein> yeah, odd
[15:57] <holstein> i was thinking maybe the network managers
[15:57] <charlie-tca> They are the same
[15:57] <holstein> thats what i was thinking...
[15:57] <holstein> and lsusb not showing it
[15:57] <charlie-tca> Xfce actually advises using Network-manager and network-manager-gnome
[15:58] <holstein> thats just odd
[15:59] <attackulz> haha
[15:59] <charlie-tca> I know. Networking should be the same in both Ubuntu and Xubuntu
[15:59] <attackulz> its installing twice as fast as xubuntu did
[15:59] <attackulz> I think my system does not like xubuntu
[15:59] <charlie-tca> Where did you download the xubuntu cd from?
[15:59] <attackulz> the site
[15:59] <attackulz> same place i downloaded ubuntu
[16:00] <charlie-tca> what is the http:???
[16:00] <attackulz> oh did i forget to tell you guys its a IBM
[16:00] <attackulz> and i hear there can be errors with ubuntu on IBMS
[16:00] <attackulz> and i dont remember the http. it was a ways ago
[16:01] <kevin6888> attackulz: get it from releases.ubuntu.com
[16:01] <charlie-tca> We had issues with one of the mirrors screwing things up
[16:01] <kevin6888> i haven't heard bad things about IBMs
[16:02] <charlie-tca> I wonder if the site was the mirror that had the image wrong
[16:03] <charlie-tca> IBM's are pretty good about working
[16:03] <holstein> still, with the same kernels
[16:03] <holstein> i would expect the hardware to be used the same
[16:04] <attackulz> when i load ubuntu or xubuntu on the computer it says
[16:04] <charlie-tca> One of the mirrors managed to mix two releases into one image. It made a lot of things fail
[16:04] <attackulz> warning IBM system detected. some blah blah blah blah blah blah may not be installed property
[16:04] <attackulz> then it says its going to stop
[16:04] <attackulz> and keeps going
[16:04] <holstein> charlie-tca: that seems likely
[16:04] <charlie-tca> attackulz: that sounds like a special mod to the bios or motherboard by IBM
[16:04] <holstein> lets go with bad image, until we need to get deeper into it :)
[16:05] <kevin6888> attackulz: grab a notepad.  write errors down so you can google them
[16:05] <charlie-tca> Compaq used to do that to me, and wanted a special file to allow linux to be used.
[16:05] <charlie-tca> I always ignored it
[16:06] <kevin6888> sounds shady
[16:07] <kevin6888> programmers gotta' eat though
[16:07] <charlie-tca> It was back in the PII days, when the hardware was built for windows only
[16:07] <kevin6888> competing with those bank executives for silicon
[17:12] <juzzy_> hi. how might i restart gnome. its acting up a bit, and looking like, "olde gnome". ?
[17:13] <holstein> juzzy_: whats the problem?
[17:14] <holstein> you have 10.10 installed?
[17:14] <iceflatline> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[17:15] <juzzy_> gnome is looking like an old gnome, the dark grey has gone, and the theme is light grey
[17:15] <holstein> looks the same after restarting gdm?
[17:17] <juzzy_-> great thanks
[17:17] <juzzy_-> so whats the difference between gnome desktop and nautilus?
[17:18] <bioterror> nautilus is a file manager
[17:18] <yofel> iceflatline: that's deprecated btw. use sudo service gdm restart
[17:19] <coz_> hey all
[17:22] <iceflatline> yofel: thanks.
[18:13] <ubuntunewb> hey guys im on a live cd because ive been having problems with grub2
[18:13] <ubuntunewb> can anyone help me install grub2 to both partitions?
[18:15] <holstein> i would check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling from LiveCD
[18:15] <holstein> ubuntunewb: 
[18:16] <ubuntunewb> giving me an error, "is dev mounted?"
[18:16] <holstein> i gotta run right now
[18:16] <ubuntunewb> laters
[18:17] <holstein> but, if you can pastebin the entire message
[18:17] <holstein> im sure you'll get some takers :)
[18:17] <holstein> good luck
[18:17] <juzzy_-> how can i check to see if im using video hardware acceleration, or software acceleration?
[18:18] <coz_> juzzy_-,  is compiz running?
[18:18] <coz_> juzzy_-,  do you have wobbly windows?
[18:18] <coz_> oh nevermind
[18:18] <coz_> I am not paying attention today :(
[18:18] <juzzy_-> compiz doesnt look to be on
[18:19] <coz_> juzzy_-,  ok  in terminal type      lspci | grep -i vga
[18:20] <coz_> or copy paste that into terminal
[18:21] <ubuntunewb> do i need to edit my fstab for update-grub to work? Im in a liveCD
[18:22] <coz_> juzzy_-,  then paste the readout here
[18:41] <Laggg> !ping meganerd
[18:41] <ubot2> Factoid 'ping meganerd' not found
[18:43] <Laggg> meganerd, you here?
[18:44] <kevin6888> Laggg: try /ping meganerd
[18:45] <Laggg> that command doesnt do anything
[18:45] <Laggg> it worked for you, not for him
[18:46] <kevin6888> Laggg: ah, you must be using empathy ?
[18:47] <Laggg> xchat
[18:47] <Laggg> kevin6888, maybe you can help me? Im on a fresh 10.10 install and os-prober and update-grub dont want to see my win7 HDD, what should I do?
[18:48] <kevin6888> Laggg: /ping should work fine in xchat.  you have to check the main server window though to see the results
[18:48] <kevin6888> Laggg: there may be a wiki, i'll check
[18:50] <kevin6888> Laggg: you'll probably want to patiently wait for someone that dual boots windows
[18:51] <Laggg> probably wait then :P
[18:51] <kevin6888> Laggg: this may be helpful:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DualBootMigration
[18:51] <kevin6888> it's good to poke at the wiki before doing a google search
[18:51] <kevin6888> just do wiki.ubuntu.com/$probablefiletitle
[18:56] <Laggg> thanks kev
[19:28] <UbuntuN00b> need to split ubuntu over a small internal hard drive and a sd card whats the best way?
[19:30] <Omsniffiscent> Hey guys I've got a weird message on my start up screen and I'm not sure what it means can someone translate? https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/YV9sjaCVhQ7lK4pVruysbb4nKPHJZ0b_lu_28BuXo-8?feat=directlink
[19:31] <Omsniffiscent> it says "failed to allocate device" but I cut it off. It only displays for a half a second
[19:38] <UbuntuN00b> anybody have netbook remix with acer aspir i have a sd card question
[19:39] <bioterror> sowwy, I'm using Dell Latitude D420 ;)
[19:39] <kevin6888> UbuntuN00b: perhaps manual partitions during install will give you the option of selecting two different hdd?
[19:39] <bioterror> 12" pure luv
[19:39] <UbuntuN00b> well atually im trying to figure out the best rooy
[19:40] <UbuntuN00b> as apparently with the acer aspire with ubuntu  the one sdcard is an expansion slot
[19:40] <UbuntuN00b> which is suppose to add the cards space as a "pool" of data from my understanding
[19:41] <UbuntuN00b> but im wondering if its better to keep them seperate and have /root  and /swap on the internal and /home on the sd card
[19:41] <kevin6888> is the card listed in /dev UbuntuN00b ?
[19:41] <UbuntuN00b> i just killed all the partitions tarting from scratch
[19:42] <kevin6888> in /dev it should be listed as a device i believe
[19:42] <UbuntuN00b> ok sec
[19:43] <UbuntuN00b> ./dev/mmcblko is the sd card
[19:43] <UbuntuN00b> ./dev/sda is the internal
[19:45] <UbuntuN00b> " On Linux versions this automatically expands the space of the SSD or HDD using aufs."
[19:45] <UbuntuN00b> thats what wiki says
[19:45] <UbuntuN00b> so im trying to figure out wether to let it do that...or forecefully seperate it
[19:45] <UbuntuN00b> as the read write speeds are different
[19:46] <UbuntuN00b> thats why it hink keeping /root and /swap on internal is better and /home on the sd card
[19:46] <UbuntuN00b> does that make sense to anybody elese?
[19:50] <UbuntuN00b> ?
[19:50] <kevin6888> if you can put /home on sd card, that's what i would do
[19:50] <UbuntuN00b> ok thats what i will do
[20:25] <UbuntuN00b> hmmmm rebooted to a grub rescue prompt after install anyone want to help me out
[20:30] <UbuntuN00b> hmmmm rebooted to a grub rescue prompt after install anyone want to help me out
[20:31] <charlie-tca> Use the live cd to recover;
[20:31] <charlie-tca> !grub
[20:31] <ubot2> GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10)
[20:31] <charlie-tca> It works for non-windows issues too
[20:32] <UbuntuN00b> alright ill see if i can work throught that
[20:38] <charlie-tca> UbuntuN00b: you could start here and try to restore grub, if it fails, go the the livecd part
[20:38] <charlie-tca> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Rescue%20Mode
[20:43] <UbuntuN00b> ok im just gonna try reinstalling it again me and grub don't get a long
[20:44] <UbuntuN00b> then if that doesn't work thn i will venture on to the grubing
[20:51] <charlie-tca> Okay. That's what I did, when it gave me that prompt, but most people don't want to hear "reinstall"
[21:27] <UbuntuN00b> looks like it worked this time
[21:27] <UbuntuN00b> i did the exact same thing weird
[21:27] <UbuntuN00b> yeah well im a windows guy this whole bootloader things is new to me
[21:27] <UbuntuN00b> plus i don't know the terminal commands
[21:30] <bioterror> !cli | UbuntuN00b
[21:30] <ubot2> UbuntuN00b: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal or type in it: man intro
[21:30] <UbuntuN00b> yeah i know how to get to it hehe
[21:30] <UbuntuN00b> just not used to the commands and stuff
[21:30] <UbuntuN00b> but i will get on to it
[21:30] <UbuntuN00b> i'm just soft with all my windows gui ness
[21:30] <UbuntuN00b> hehe
[21:32] <UbuntuN00b> you stull up bio?
[21:32] <UbuntuN00b> you work nights?
[21:32] <bioterror> it's 23:33
[21:33] <bioterror> sitting on sofa
[21:33] <bioterror> and listening music
[21:33] <UbuntuN00b> ahh its 13:32 here
[21:33] <UbuntuN00b> PT
[21:34] <bioterror> I fixed pxe boot into my home network
[21:34] <bioterror> or actually, it was working, but I did some directory fixing
[22:16] <Laggg> I keep getting this error: /usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Sector 32 is already in use by FlexNet; avoiding it.  This software may cause boot or other problems in future.  Please ask its authors not to store data in the boot track..
[22:17] <holstein> Laggg: check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[22:17] <holstein> and let me look up what flexnet is
[22:17] <Laggg> ivechecked that out so many times
[22:17] <Laggg> the solution isnt there
[22:18] <holstein> i bet this is relevant
[22:18] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1620377
[22:18] <holstein> is that you?
[22:18] <Laggg> nope
[22:18] <Laggg> im Laggg on there
[22:19] <Laggg> i have two different HDDs as well
[22:19] <Laggg> one w/ 10.10 and one w/ win7
[22:19] <holstein> ive heard about this before
[22:19] <holstein> Using the Live CD I restored the grub2 cfg boot sector file. After restoration, Terminal reported flexnet files in the boot sector. I then removed all proprietary HP apps in the XP install. After this and another round of Grub2 restoration the system is working fine.
[22:19] <Laggg> "After restoration, Terminal reported flexnet files in the boot sector. I then removed all proprietary HP apps in the XP install."
[22:19] <holstein> right
[22:19] <Laggg> i dont have HP apps
[22:20] <Laggg> this is a homebuilt pc
[22:20] <holstein> well, you got something that installed flexnet
[22:20] <holstein> anyways
[22:20] <Laggg> it would help if I knew what to take out of the bootsector or w/e
[22:20] <holstein> 2 other options
[22:20] <holstein> putting grub on the linux hard drive
[22:20] <holstein> and selecting it at boot time
[22:20] <Laggg> holstein: i just got linked this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1661254
[22:21] <holstein> *assuming thats the way you have it setup
[22:21] <holstein> or another boot manager
[22:21] <holstein> maybe GAG
[22:21] <holstein> http://gag.sourceforge.net/
[22:22] <Laggg> how do install grub2 to the ubuntu drive? I think I already did tht
[22:22] <bioterror> !grub2 | Laggg
[22:22] <holstein> you use that other link
[22:22] <ubot2> Laggg: GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10)
[22:22] <Laggg> bioterror: STFU before posting that
[22:22] <holstein> and use the instructions for recovering using a live CD
[22:22] <holstein> Laggg: ?
[22:23] <Laggg> that fucking page doesnt help me bioterror
[22:23] <Laggg> ive been linked it 1100110101018403r5784907503470 times
[22:23] <holstein> Laggg: please
[22:23] <holstein> this is a volunteer group
[22:23] <holstein> and that is exactly what you need
[22:23] <Laggg> everyone just throws that same page at me and ive been over it a hundred time
[22:23] <Laggg> this error isnt even described in that page
[22:23] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling from LiveCD
[22:24] <holstein> you use a live CD
[22:24] <Laggg> ive done that already too
[22:24] <holstein> right
[22:24] <holstein> SO
[22:24] <holstein> you re-confirm that you have grub installed
[22:24] <holstein> on the linux drive
[22:24] <holstein> and then
[22:24] <holstein> in the bios
[22:24] <holstein> you tell the machine to boot using it
[22:24] <holstein> OR
[22:24] <holstein> you can unplug the other drive for a moment to check
[22:25] <holstein> Laggg: i realize you are frustrated
[22:25] <Laggg> everytime i boot from the ubuntu drive it sticks me right into ubuntu
[22:25] <Laggg> no grub screen
[22:25] <holstein> Laggg: right
[22:25] <Laggg> holding SHIFT takes me to the grub screen and allows me to load 10.10
[22:25] <holstein> that is the normal behavior
[22:25] <holstein> you can hit shift like that
[22:25] <holstein> OR
[22:25] <Laggg> but when windows is selected, it said "invalid signature"
[22:26] <holstein> you can edit grub
[22:26] <holstein> Laggg: you wont need it to boot windows
[22:26] <holstein> in this scenario
[22:26] <holstein> you can use fixmbr or whatever that is over there
[22:26] <holstein> and have seperate drives
[22:27] <holstein> with seperate boot loaders
[22:27] <Laggg> but then i have to switch my BIOS everytime I want to choose the other?
[22:27] <holstein> depends
[22:27] <Laggg> thats how I have it right now, win7 has MBR and 10.10 has grub2
[22:27] <Laggg> and i have to change them from the bios
[22:28] <holstein> OK
[22:28] <holstein> so thats good
[22:28] <holstein> at least you can boot them
[22:28] <Laggg> i dont want that, i want my grub screen with win7 / 10.10 / memtest
[22:28] <holstein> i would really look at that win install
[22:28] <Laggg> this is what im reading now: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1661254
[22:28] <holstein> and you can try GAG live
[22:33] <joshnewbie> so major question, i know this is TERRIBLE but i want to grant a user full root access without them having to use sudo all the time.  i have tried editing the sudoers file but alas, it doesn't seem to work
[22:37] <bioterror> left quickly
[22:40] <bioterror> Laggg, did that dd command fix it?
[22:40] <Laggg> the dd command zeroed out the sectors
[22:40] <Laggg> i ran update-grub and its not seeing windows, still
[22:41] <Laggg> i may have to boot from the win7 cd and fix the MBR again
[22:41] <bioterror> os-prober?
[22:41] <Laggg> returns nothing
[22:41] <bioterror> or do you have windows in your grub?
[22:41] <Laggg> only because I added it manually
[22:41] <bioterror> I assume you have it
[22:41] <Laggg> but when i select it it said 'invalid signature'
[22:42] <Laggg> but I CAN boot into win7
[22:42] <Laggg> i just have to change the HDD boot priority
[22:42] <Laggg> bypassing ubuntu, grub and my whole seperate Ubuntu HDD
[22:44] <Laggg> so hah!
[22:45] <joshnewbie> can anyone help me grant root permissions to my users without them having to user sudo
[22:45] <joshnewbie> i know this is unsafe
[22:45] <bioterror> joshnewbie, no
[22:45] <bioterror> joshnewbie, that's not how *nixes work
[22:45] <joshnewbie> i tried editing sudoers
[22:45] <bioterror> there's root and then there's users
[22:46] <joshnewbie> so they ALWAYS have to use the sudo command?
[22:46] <bioterror> unless you're root
[22:46] <joshnewbie> well, i am both root and josh
[22:46] <bioterror> what's wrong with the sudo?
[22:46] <joshnewbie> but i am installing a bunch of mysql biology stuff
[22:47] <joshnewbie> it would just be so so SO very much easier to not have to use sudo
[22:47] <bioterror> say
[22:47] <bioterror> sudo su
[22:47] <bioterror> :D
[22:48] <joshnewbie> thanks
[22:48] <joshnewbie> success!
[22:48] <joshnewbie> wait
[22:48] <joshnewbie> is this gonna then install the programs in the root/bin instead of josh/bin?
[22:49] <bioterror> what
[22:49] <bioterror> should go under /usr/bin/
[22:49] <joshnewbie> so does this change the presumed environmental paths for normal installation?
[22:49] <joshnewbie> whew
[22:49] <joshnewbie> just checking
[22:49] <bioterror> if you're using apt-get or dpkg
[22:50] <joshnewbie> hmm, no this is much more homebrew packages
[22:50] <joshnewbie> it is for reading whole genomes
[22:50] <joshnewbie> not too mainstream
[22:51] <bioterror> are you compiling from sources?
[22:52] <joshnewbie> perl packages and then it downloads some special stuff from cpan
[23:49] <JPC68147> where to start?
[23:49] <bioterror> from the beginning
[23:49] <JPC68147> ubuntu tweak isn't giving me the options that various pages I have found show
[23:49] <JPC68147> in particular the ability to modify my login screen
[23:49] <bioterror> hA
[23:50] <bioterror> gdm is crippled nowdays
[23:50] <bioterror> I dunno why gdm themes was removed
[23:50] <JPC68147> ah, so I am reading old info then
[23:50] <bioterror> but I'm off to bed
[23:50] <bioterror> it's 2am ;)
[23:50] <JPC68147> np, thnx
[23:50] <bioterror> someone who uses vanilla buntu might know more about it
[23:50] <JPC68147> gnite
[23:51] <JPC68147> so can you modify your login page in Ubuntu 10.10?
[23:52] <JPC68147> I don't like the colors (too dark) and the people selector looks very generic, almost eastern european to me
[23:53] <JPC68147> and speaking of dark, anyone got any suggestion as how to get the machine to remember my display calibration settings
[23:54] <JPC68147> the save button doesn't activate and every time I log off I have to set it again
[23:56] <JPC68147> anyone recommend a site that answers a lot of these questions in english?