[03:02] <micahg> fta: ACK, so if it's ready tomorrow, I"ll try to push it out sunday night
[14:57] <chrisccoulson> micahg - do you think we should keep fennec in the archive for now?
[16:09] <micahg> chrisccoulson: well, 1850 installs according to popcon, can we switch to internal xul for the release version or do we have to wait til 5?
[16:30] <chrisccoulson> micahg - we could do, but i'm not going to spend any time on that
[16:30] <chrisccoulson> in addition to that, i'm not sure fennec is much use to anyone until it has touch support on linux
[16:33] <micahg> well, once 5 comes, I want to switch the stable releases to internal xul copies
[16:34] <micahg> I actually want to drop conkeror unless it can work somehow off the firefox directory
[16:34] <micahg> which xtaran said it might be able to if xulrunner-stub was present
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> nooooooo, we don't want things using firefox at all really
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> else it doesn't really solve the problem we have
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> we need to able to deploy firefox updates quickly, without breaking things and without having to rebuild anything :)
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> conkeror should be building against xulrunner for sure :)
[16:42] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ok, then we should drop it since it'll be insecure in 3 months
[16:43] <micahg> chrisccoulson: are we planning a new xulrunner for O or are we dropping the rest of the rdepends?
[16:43] <micahg> or TBD?
[16:44] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm not too sure yet
[16:44] <micahg> and what about instantbird?  is it worth an update every 6 weeks or should be drop it as well?
[16:49] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, so I'll file the removal bug for conkeror
[16:51] <micahg> and I've got 5 apps to port to mozjs185 before final freeze
[16:52] <micahg> I'm going to switch gnome-chemistry-utils and vlc to firefox-dev
[16:58] <fta> firefox-dev? doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of isolating firefox from the xul deps?
[16:59] <chrisccoulson> fta - it's used purely for providing npapi headers for plugins which need them (although, they probably should be shipping the headers themselves)
[17:00] <chrisccoulson> we're not really building anything against it
[17:00] <chrisccoulson> and we don't want to start either ;)
[17:10]  * micahg is switch anything that needs NPAPI headers to firefox-dev
[17:10] <micahg> mozplugger is shipping its own copy
[17:11] <micahg> I want to drop xulrunner-2.0 from natty before release, looks like we're stuck with 1.9.2 for eclipse, but I still want to disable the internal browser
[17:21] <fta> soon, every project still active will use the NPAPI, so you'll be back to square one
[17:21] <micahg> except chromium which is switching to PPAPI
[17:23] <fta> lol, chromium won't use ff-dev anyway;)
[17:24] <fta> isn't ff now switching to pepper btw?
[17:24]  * micahg is behind on mozilla musings
[17:24] <fta> sorted(h, key=lambda z: h[z]['d1'], reverse=True)
[17:25] <fta> oops
[17:25] <fta> !$?!@* buffers
[17:25] <ubot2> Factoid 'buffers' not found
[17:27] <micahg> fta: do you think you'll have chromium today?  I"m off mon-wed of next week
[17:27] <fta> depends when today ends for you
[17:28] <fta> i'm still fighting with my translations converter
[17:34] <micahg> fta: latest would be about 5 hours from now, I'm working sunday though, I could upload sat night after about 2AM UTC sunday
[17:36] <micahg> chrisccoulson: re mozjs pkg-config, what do I do now for porting?
[17:36] <fta> micahg, well, it will be ready once i'm done with it. the last few times, i worked fast, way off my hours, and it still took days/weeks to reach the security repo :(
[17:37] <micahg> fta: I'm sorry about that, we were hoping for that password fix to happen
[22:23] <BUGabundo> oias
[23:52] <fta> jcastro, any update on the webapp/bamf bug? i'm about to release a new chromium to natty..