| JGJones | Just wondering if by any chance anyone used something like Ribbit (www.ribbit.com) for phones? | 00:15 |
|---|---|---|
| JGJones | I'm particularly interested in the voice message to text feature | 00:15 |
| knightwise | morning everyone | 05:35 |
| Ansikt | Having some difficulty getting X to behave. My backlight does not turn on at boot (I have to close my laptop lid and open it again), and my brightness is "stuck" at 100 percent, despite what the /sys/class/backlight files are telling me. I'm running a Gateway NV79 laptop with lspci reporting a "00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 12)" as my graphics chipset and module i91 | 07:09 |
| Ansikt | 5 loaded. Any suggestions or further tests to preform? Oh! And my kernel is 2.6.35-28-generic | 07:09 |
| UbuntuN00b | anyovdy help with grub2 netbook remix dual boot | 07:13 |
| MooDoo | hello all | 07:53 |
| kazade | morning | 08:09 |
| MooDoo | morning kazade | 08:10 |
| === gary is now known as Gary | ||
| TheOpenSourcerer | Morning earthlings | 08:27 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | IT'S FFFRRRIIIDDDAAAYYY | 08:27 |
| MooDoo | yay o/ | 08:28 |
| MartijnVdS | TheOpenSourcerer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0 | 08:28 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu 11.04 Beta 2 Released: Test and Report! - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/04/15/ubuntu-11-04-beta-2-released-test-and-report/ | 08:29 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Thanks for the appalling tune MartijnVdS ;-) | 08:43 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Did we all see this? http://falkvinge.net/2011/04/14/european-court-of-justice-to-outlaw-internet-filtering-esp-for-copyright-enforcement/ | 08:44 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Could be quite important. | 08:44 |
| MartijnVdS | Especially when the Dutch government is trying to introduce a mandatory-filtering bill | 08:59 |
| MartijnVdS | (of copyrighted stuff) | 08:59 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 09:20 |
| MooDoo | morning czajkowski | 09:21 |
| gord | ahoy hoy | 09:22 |
| s-fox | Hello. | 09:34 |
| MooDoo | s-fox: good morning | 09:36 |
| s-fox | Hello MooDoo . How are you? | 09:36 |
| MooDoo | s-fox: 39 today and at work :( lol | 09:36 |
| s-fox | HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!! | 09:36 |
| s-fox | :) | 09:36 |
| MooDoo | thank you :) | 09:36 |
| s-fox | At least it is friday MooDoo | 09:37 |
| MooDoo | s-fox: yeah :) might have a few beers this evening :D | 09:37 |
| willy1977 | exit | 09:37 |
| willy1977 | fail | 09:37 |
| MooDoo | lol | 09:37 |
| s-fox | win | 09:37 |
| willy1977 | Happy Birthday - just off for a bit :) | 09:37 |
| danfish | MooDoo: happy birthday you young whippersnapper...oh, my bad, you're actually older than me :) | 09:38 |
| MooDoo | danfish: pah! :p | 09:38 |
| MooDoo | :) | 09:38 |
| danfish | :D only by 11 months! | 09:38 |
| MooDoo | :) | 09:38 |
| MooDoo | my wife is 39 today too, she's older than me by 50 mins :D | 09:38 |
| s-fox | wow | 09:39 |
| s-fox | that is crazy | 09:39 |
| MooDoo | s-fox: yup, nice though :) | 09:39 |
| MartijnVdS | MooDoo: so you like older women eh? :) | 09:40 |
| MooDoo | MartijnVdS: yup :D lol | 09:41 |
| s-fox | biab | 09:44 |
| JamesTait | Happy Friday, everyone! | 09:46 |
| MartijnVdS | JamesTait: Merry Friday to you too! | 09:46 |
| * TheOpenSourcerer popey AlanBell (and others) will be here this evening: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farnham_Beer_Exhibition | 10:03 | |
| MartijnVdS | TheOpenSourcerer: Only alans allowed? | 10:04 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | We are Alan | 10:04 |
| Daviey | We are Borg | 10:05 |
| * Gary nom's on Daviey | 10:06 | |
| bigcalm | Hi kids :) | 10:06 |
| Gary | hi daddy! | 10:06 |
| Daviey | Gary: o/ | 10:09 |
| danfish | remember everyone, shout very loudly in the morning cos the alans will have hangovers ;) | 10:10 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 10:10 |
| brobostigon | :) | 10:10 |
| popey | danfish: "morning", that's optimistic | 10:11 |
| danfish | heh | 10:12 |
| danfish | we can be flexible in our 'morning' definition :) | 10:12 |
| Daviey | danfish: nah, i'll turn up and whisper sweet nothings into popey's ears whilst he is in a hangover coma. | 10:13 |
| * danfish applies mind bleach | 10:13 | |
| bigcalm | danfish: one way of waking up in the morning | 10:21 |
| danfish | bah, the latest natty updates have broken my neatx install :( | 10:26 |
| oimon | danfish: how many users do you use with neatx? i was looking at freenx but the free version supports only 2 logins | 10:34 |
| danfish | oimon: are you sure that's not nomachine nx? FreeNX and neatx have unlimited logins IIRC | 10:38 |
| danfish | and to answer your original Q - only 1 - me! | 10:38 |
| * TheOpenSourcerer wonders where AlanBell is right now. | 10:46 | |
| * brobostigon points TheOpenSourcerer at google latitude. | 10:47 | |
| TheOpenSourcerer | brobostigon: Nice idea but AlanBell doesn't have a "proper" phone anymore... | 10:49 |
| oimon | danfish: hmm maybe it was nomachine nx i was looking at. would you recommend neatx as stable? i'm looking to provide a remote access solution for a few months for up to 40 users | 10:49 |
| brobostigon | TheOpenSourcerer: ah, i see, ohwell. | 10:49 |
| popey | heh, AlanBell is listed on my Latitude under "Stale Location" | 10:51 |
| danfish | oimon: no problems with it here in my limited usings (until the recent natty update!) | 10:51 |
| oimon | booted up natty on my eee for an update to beta2 and some serious bug reporting, discovered that moving a finger on the trackpad results in X restarting :) | 10:53 |
| bigcalm | Your mouse has been moved. Windows must be restarted for the changes to take effect. | 10:58 |
| danfish | oimon: that's feature, not a bug ;) | 10:59 |
| popey | haha | 10:59 |
| davmor2 | morning all | 11:00 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: how the back and rash | 11:00 |
| oimon | ewww | 11:01 |
| davmor2 | oimon: you need to follow czajkowski twitter/facebook bad back, rash from the pain killers | 11:02 |
| oimon | davmor2: i don't think those kind of updates would fit into my strict twitter lists :) | 11:07 |
| oimon | how long would it take for an ubuntu update to get released to fix a rogue security update that causes gnome-panel to crash randomly and evolution to crash consistently? still waiting for redhat after > 10 days https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=693882 | 11:11 |
| lubotu3 | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 693882 in glibc "latest glibc update breaks Evolution on RHEL 5.6" [High,New] | 11:11 |
| oimon | i get the feeling a canonical fix would arrive within 1 day.. | 11:13 |
| popey | heh | 11:14 |
| popey | optimistic | 11:14 |
| oimon | considering it affects all desktops? | 11:15 |
| oimon | i think redhat have given up on the desktop | 11:15 |
| oimon | what i get when i click the ubuntu icon on my eee: http://i.imgur.com/3xeXj.png a bit "busy", methinks | 11:19 |
| bigcalm | Eww | 11:20 |
| oimon | even pressing super-key gives that result too | 11:20 |
| oimon | unity2d | 11:20 |
| bigcalm | It really does look like it's meant for a touch screen interface | 11:20 |
| oimon | which is funny because on my android i can touch things that are 10% of the size | 11:21 |
| gord | oimon, make sure to file a bug, looks like an obvious bug | 11:23 |
| oimon | gord: which is the bug? launcher+dash appearing? | 11:24 |
| oimon | the size problem already exists: bug 749632 | 11:24 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 749632 in unity (Ubuntu) "Dash default shortcuts too big for eeepc701 screen" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/749632 | 11:24 |
| oimon | i think it's all the same bug | 11:28 |
| PalaPad_ | Boo! | 11:32 |
| bigcalm | Hiss? | 11:32 |
| PalaPad_ | I have 7 minutes to kill | 11:32 |
| dwatkins | time to start scripting | 11:37 |
| * popey pokes AlanBell with http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/889/detail/ being a "Part" and not a "Party" | 11:39 | |
| * popey fixes | 11:40 | |
| * oimon enjoyed listening to ubuntu fortuens yesterday on uupc | 11:41 | |
| popey | :) | 11:41 |
| popey | thanks oimon | 11:41 |
| bigcalm | Aye, that was fun | 11:42 |
| oimon | i work in east london so it's OK to laugh out loud when walking down the street. it's normal behaviour here | 11:42 |
| Laney | weeeeeeeeell helloooooo | 11:43 |
| gord | i like to listen to the adam and joe show on planes, but with my eyes closed - it looks like i'm sleeping but then i suddenly start laughing. great fun | 11:45 |
| popey | :) | 11:47 |
| * popey loves Adam & Joe | 11:47 | |
| bigcalm | gord: the little girl singing the podcast jingle was so sweet | 11:47 |
| bigcalm | Shame she chose Trash instead of Rubbish | 11:47 |
| Laney | i couldn't help but laugh out loud in the office at that girl's present demands | 11:48 |
| gord | my lifes goal is to one day, yell stephen at those two. i am sure they will love it if i do that | 11:50 |
| popey | gord: how is the drop shadow on the top bar implemented? | 11:52 |
| gord | popey, its just a png image file of a drop shadow repeated iirc | 11:52 |
| popey | oh | 11:52 |
| popey | dear | 11:52 |
| gord | problem? | 11:52 |
| popey | it causes screencasting apps no end of trouble | 11:52 |
| gord | ah no, thats nux/compiz insaneness | 11:53 |
| popey | if I video the desktop it looks fine, but playback the video and the shadow is on top of the apps | 11:53 |
| popey | so there's a shadow along the top line of the firefox window, on top of it | 11:53 |
| popey | how to fix pls? | 11:53 |
| MartijnVdS | gord: http://www.shrani.si/f/9/OT/4gwtNbnJ/troll-face-problem.jpg ? :) | 11:53 |
| gord | basically all screencast stuff of unity looks damn awful, graphical glitches everywhere, really no idea how to fix | 11:54 |
| popey | yes, i agree | 11:54 |
| Pendulum | amber managed an okay one, but she barely did anything during it | 12:01 |
| ali1234 | popey: turn off graphics acceleration. oh wait... | 12:01 |
| Pendulum | (well, not completely true, but she mostly was showing where to find something) | 12:01 |
| popey | found http://www.iloveubuntu.net/easily-disable-unity-panels-drop-shadow-natty-narwhal | 12:03 |
| popey | which I may try, but seems odd to replace the shadow png with a transparent png | 12:04 |
| popey | would rather just remove it | 12:04 |
| popey | (I dont really like any of the drop shadows) | 12:04 |
| gord | would be nice to have a ccsm option for transparency of panel shadow | 12:05 |
| gord | its too dark for my taste | 12:05 |
| * bigcalm feels dirty | 12:07 | |
| bigcalm | I was listening to the Dubstep tag radio on last.fm. It decided I wanted to hear Britney Spears | 12:08 |
| gord | maybe you do | 12:09 |
| bigcalm | :S | 12:09 |
| Laney | did you let it play to the end? | 12:09 |
| bigcalm | Can't say that I did | 12:09 |
| MartijnVdS | "Ban" button++ | 12:10 |
| bigcalm | Indeed | 12:10 |
| bigcalm | Would be nice if Spotify offered a tag like radio play list | 12:11 |
| bigcalm | The generes they offer in the Radio section is pitterful | 12:12 |
| bigcalm | popey: do you use your kindle less since having an ipad? | 12:21 |
| popey | yes | 12:26 |
| oimon | how can i find a reputable boiler repairman, without a personal recommendation ? | 12:26 |
| Daviey | oimon, If they come to your house on horseback, swinging a lasso - be concerned. | 12:28 |
| scoundrel50 | Hi, how can I delete a partition, I have three at the moment, one is the Netty partition I cant use, the other is Merrkat and the other windows,. How do I get rid of the Natty partition. | 12:28 |
| bigcalm | I wonder if I'll use my kindle less once I have the 7" tablet. I doubt it mostly due to the battery life of the Kindle | 12:28 |
| oimon | bigcalm: did you buy the kogan one? | 12:28 |
| bigcalm | oimon: yes | 12:28 |
| bigcalm | :( | 12:28 |
| oimon | why :(? | 12:28 |
| oimon | looks ok to me | 12:29 |
| bigcalm | Hehe, I'm a sucker for geeky stuff | 12:29 |
| popey | because deep down, he knows it will suck | 12:29 |
| oimon | heheheh | 12:29 |
| oimon | i'm sure it will be great for 12 months | 12:29 |
| bigcalm | Well, I could have put that 96 quid towards the mortgage fun instead | 12:29 |
| * bigcalm tickles popey with a blended ipad | 12:29 | |
| popey | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAl28d6tbko | 12:30 |
| bigcalm | http://hijinksensue.com/2011/03/11/2-pad-2-furious/ | 12:31 |
| knightwise | bigcalm: i have an ipad but still keep my sony prs 505 for the summer : Outdoor reading impossible on the ipad | 12:32 |
| scoundrel50 | Well, can somebody point me in the right direction, for information I can understand to delete the partition? | 12:33 |
| knightwise | Ipad = Cloud formation to facial optics reflection unit | 12:33 |
| knightwise | scoundrel50: boot with live cd , start Gparted delete partition ? | 12:33 |
| scoundrel50 | ok, thanks | 12:33 |
| scoundrel50 | how do I know which partition it is, is there a number to look out for? | 12:34 |
| popey | what are you trying to do? | 12:35 |
| popey | and why | 12:35 |
| scoundrel50 | I installed Natty, backlight wont work, cant get it to work. Installed via Update manager, so had to install Meerkat again, and now have three partitions. As I cannot get Natty to work, need to delete it, but dont know how. knightwise just mentioned a way, but I was asking how do I know what the natty partition is. | 12:37 |
| scoundrel50 | I dont want to delete the windows partition | 12:38 |
| scoundrel50 | I have asked on ubuntu+1 quite a few times for help with Natty, nobody seems to be able to help. | 12:40 |
| scoundrel50 | which is why i want rid now | 12:40 |
| willy1977 | I'm not sure but: if you're windows partition is mounted in meerkat you could probably run Mount to see what partition number to avoid - anyway you can backup before hand?t | 12:43 |
| knightwise | if you boot in meercat you can do a df | 12:43 |
| scoundrel50 | Windpows was first, then partitined for ubuntu | 12:43 |
| scoundrel50 | what is a df | 12:43 |
| knightwise | df is the disk free command | 12:44 |
| scoundrel50 | I am using meerkat now | 12:44 |
| scoundrel50 | still dont know, | 12:44 |
| knightwise | so do a df -ah | 12:44 |
| knightwise | then check what partitions it says its using | 12:44 |
| knightwise | normally the meercat has not mounted the natty partition (i think) | 12:44 |
| knightwise | you did a standard isntall right ? you didnt make any special partitions for your home directory ? | 12:45 |
| popey | pastebin the output of:- | 12:45 |
| popey | sudo fdisk -l | 12:45 |
| popey | mount | 12:45 |
| popey | lsb_release -a | 12:46 |
| popey | ^^ scoundrel50 | 12:46 |
| scoundrel50 | hello? Jus | 12:46 |
| scoundrel50 | just looking at the termina, here is the pastebin for that other command http://paste.ubuntu.com/594445/ | 12:47 |
| nucc1 | i dist-upgraded to natty last night, and my apps aren't showing up in the unity menu, is there something i need to do? | 12:49 |
| gord | nucc1, how do you mean? | 12:49 |
| nucc1 | i had to run xchat from the terminal | 12:49 |
| nucc1 | i can't find it in the menu, even by searching. | 12:49 |
| scoundrel50 | I have to rebioot a sec, be right back. | 12:49 |
| Adriannom | hi. i have ubuntu studio 9.10 and two usb soundcards. when i plug one in, it appears in pulseaudio. when i plug the second one in, it does not. it doesn't matter which order i plug them in. here's /var/log/messages: http://pastebin.me/052dcc9003cca903c754e4039e098106 - any idea what's happening? | 12:50 |
| gord | nucc1, hrm interesting. do you have two icons on the bottom of your launcher, one saying Applications and the other saying Files & Folders? | 12:50 |
| nucc1 | gord no. | 12:51 |
| nucc1 | gord yes | 12:51 |
| gord | make your mind up ;) | 12:51 |
| nucc1 | but it shows an empty menu | 12:51 |
| gord | what happens when you click one? | 12:51 |
| nucc1 | hmmm. hard to use the launcher if your primary monitor is on the right hand side. | 12:52 |
| gord | it is yeah, but no good solution for that yet | 12:52 |
| nucc1 | gord searching from there works | 12:52 |
| * DJones debates whether to upgrade to natty, I feel I should, but there seems to have been too many horror stories/reports about it | 12:52 | |
| nucc1 | DJones, mine's not been a horror. | 12:52 |
| scoundrel50a | popey: what was that command you wanted me to do? | 12:53 |
| popey | 12:45:45 < popey> pastebin the output of:- | 12:53 |
| popey | 12:45:49 < popey> sudo fdisk -l | 12:53 |
| popey | 12:45:50 < popey> mount | 12:53 |
| popey | 12:46:00 < popey> lsb_release -a | 12:53 |
| nucc1 | gord, hitting that menu seems to have fixed the problem. | 12:53 |
| scoundrel50a | thank you, | 12:53 |
| popey | nucc1: hit the windows button to bring up the launcher | 12:54 |
| gord | nucc1, wwwwweird, sounds like something got screwed up on your upgrade =\ | 12:54 |
| popey | if its hard to hit | 12:54 |
| popey | nucc1: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^ | 12:54 |
| popey | does that pull in lots of stuff? | 12:54 |
| popey | or, rather, does it _want_ to? | 12:54 |
| popey | note the ^ is important | 12:54 |
| nucc1 | popey, ubuntu-desktop is installed | 12:54 |
| popey | did you add the ^ | 12:54 |
| nucc1 | popey, no. it looked like a typo :p . it want's to install just 4 new packages. | 12:55 |
| nucc1 | evolution-exchange firefox-globalmenu libjack-jackd2-0 and tcl | 12:56 |
| scoundrel50a | popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/594448/ | 12:56 |
| Adriannom | anyone? | 12:57 |
| gord | decided to watch merry christmas mr bean on my lunch break, excellent idea :D | 12:58 |
| nucc1 | feeling like watching RED. | 12:58 |
| popey | scoundrel50a: thats not the three commands I asked for | 12:58 |
| popey | scoundrel50a: I asked for "mount" too | 12:58 |
| scoundrel50a | popey: sorry, didnt see mount, will do that now | 12:59 |
| popey | scoundrel50a: so probably sda7 is your natty install | 12:59 |
| popey | at a guess | 12:59 |
| willy1977 | Adriannom: sorry I can't help directly but have you tried #ubuntustudio ? | 13:00 |
| Adriannom | willy1977, thanks, yes :) | 13:00 |
| scoundrel50a | popey: here is mount http://paste.ubuntu.com/594449/ sorry about that | 13:01 |
| scoundrel50a | popey: does the mount information help any more? | 13:03 |
| popey | did you install 10.10 after 11.04? | 13:03 |
| scoundrel50a | yes, because I couldntr get 11.04 to work, and didnt know how to do repair 11.04, so I installed 10.10 | 13:04 |
| popey | ok, so /dev/sda5 is your 11.04, /dev/sda7 is your 10.10 | 13:04 |
| popey | so boot from a live cd, open gparted, delete /dev/sda5 and /dev/sda6 and then move sda7 down the disk and then resize up the disk | 13:05 |
| oimon | scoundrel50a: does this mean your wireless problem is fixed in 10.10 ? | 13:06 |
| scoundrel50a | um, ok, I understand the first two instructions, but not the last, can I ask about it when I get to it. I'll start my netbook up and open xchat from there. | 13:06 |
| popey | what dont you understand about it? | 13:06 |
| popey | you will have removed sda5 and sda6 which will open up a "hole" in your disk space | 13:07 |
| popey | move 7 down to the start of that whole | 13:07 |
| popey | *hole | 13:07 |
| popey | then expand it up to fill the hole | 13:07 |
| popey | (you cant expand partitions downwards, but you can move them downwards and expand upwards) | 13:07 |
| popey | or just reinstall (it would be faster) | 13:07 |
| scoundrel50a | oimon: yes, I managed it somehow, but I hjave no idea how, I went through all the things I found, but it didnt seem to work then I closed everything dowmn, came back to the laptop a couple of hours late, and it worked, but dont know what it was that got it working. | 13:07 |
| popey | and reinstall with manual partitioning, deleting sda5, 6, 7, 8 | 13:08 |
| scoundrel50a | popey: ok, will give it a try | 13:08 |
| popey | does all that make sense? | 13:08 |
| oimon | scoundrel50a: it was probably a reboot after installing the linux wireless modules pacakge | 13:09 |
| scoundrel50a | popey: some of it does, if I get stuck I'll come back. | 13:09 |
| scoundrel50a | have to log off thiws machine, but can log back in on my netbook. brb | 13:10 |
| oimon | popey: you think 11.06 is enough time to iron out unity bugs? maybe the 11.04 download should have a big notice on the site. 11.10 is a better estimate for squashing the bugs flagged by beta testers. what about the bugs flagged by release users? | 13:12 |
| popey | yeah, i reckon so | 13:12 |
| popey | get the design wrikles sorted | 13:12 |
| scoundrel50a | just waiting for cd to boot up | 13:13 |
| willy1977 | "wrinkles" ? | 13:13 |
| popey | and the various bugs fixed | 13:13 |
| oimon | 11.04 is canonical's KDE4.0, for sure | 13:13 |
| popey | no new features, an extended testing period | 13:13 |
| nucc1 | i have to move my primary monitor to the right. | 13:14 |
| nucc1 | left, rather. | 13:14 |
| nucc1 | oimon, the guy that did the compiz version of unity did wonders getting it this far already. | 13:15 |
| nucc1 | or the guys | 13:15 |
| willy1977 | aye I get that, and people have worked hard etc. I think it's got potential but it's just slowed me down | 13:15 |
| willy1977 | so far... | 13:16 |
| oimon | nucc1: agree, but doesn't mean it's ready. it feels more like we are getting a buggy release in order for real users to iron out bugs. otherwise unity wouldn't be default in natty | 13:16 |
| willy1977 | sounds a dangerous approach to things imo | 13:17 |
| oimon | willy1977: it hurt KDE badly since many users left and haven't returned | 13:18 |
| willy1977 | yep, I turned on to linux around that time tried KDE and... well have just made a return :( | 13:18 |
| nucc1 | well, i figure people who are smarter than I am are thinking hard about it. | 13:19 |
| scoundrel50a | ok, get a message when I try to delete /dev.sda5/ saying 'unable to delete /dev/sda5! Please unmont any logical partitions having a number higher than 5' what do I do? | 13:19 |
| nucc1 | mine is to decide what to use when it is shipped. | 13:19 |
| willy1977 | nucc1: absolutely - if they feel it is ready and ignore the beta feedback though... again imo that's not smart... | 13:20 |
| scoundrel50a | /dev/sda6/ has a key next to it | 13:21 |
| willy1977 | hence why popey and oimon talking about a extended test period makes sense - my flippant comment is personally I don't think they're just niggles though. Not slating anyone's work here I think what's been done so far is great and has potential (as I've said) but it does need tidying up...? | 13:23 |
| scoundrel50a | sorry to have to askm but fr some reason, I cant delete the partition, would anybody know why? | 13:24 |
| nucc1 | willy1977, i've only used unity for about 2 hours so far, but it has been stable for me. | 13:24 |
| nucc1 | and this is beta 2. | 13:24 |
| nucc1 | if it progresses as far as it has come since beta 1, | 13:25 |
| nucc1 | it will likely be strong enough for end of april release. | 13:25 |
| willy1977 | all power to them I really hope it does | 13:25 |
| nucc1 | personally, i'm about to switch to gnome3 though. i prefer it. | 13:27 |
| scoundrel50a | popey:ok, get a message when I try to delete /dev.sda5/ saying 'unable to delete /dev/sda5! Please unmont any logical partitions having a number higher than 5' what do I do? | 13:28 |
| scoundrel50a | I just have no idea how to get around that, so I'm stuck now | 13:29 |
| willy1977 | scoundrel50a: you're definitely running on the LiveCD? | 13:30 |
| scoundrel50a | yes | 13:30 |
| scoundrel50a | I will take a screen shot to show you what I see | 13:31 |
| willy1977 | I think the key icon means it's using swap at the moment... | 13:31 |
| scoundrel50a | what can I use to show you a picture | 13:31 |
| DJones | !imagebin | 13:31 |
| lubotu3 | Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr] button. Want to show us a screenshot of your problem? Upload an image to http://imagebin.org/?page=add and post a link to it. | 13:31 |
| scoundrel50a | ok, the image address is http://imagebin.org/148350 | 13:34 |
| scoundrel50a | So how can I delete the sda5 partition | 13:35 |
| willy1977 | right mouse click sda6 and swapoff | 13:35 |
| willy1977 | should get rid of the key and let you remove sda6 | 13:36 |
| willy1977 | or rather then should let you get rid of sda5 | 13:36 |
| scoundrel50a | oh, that took the key away, but still cant delete, get that error again | 13:37 |
| scoundrel50a | what does it mean when it says unmount any logical partitions having a number higher than 5 | 13:39 |
| MartijnVdS | scoundrel50a: that you need to unmount sda6, sda7, etc. | 13:39 |
| MartijnVdS | scoundrel50a: before you can change sda5 | 13:39 |
| scoundrel50a | um, ok, | 13:40 |
| scoundrel50a | ok, done that, now I have unallocated space, how do I give that to sda5? | 13:41 |
| willy1977 | aren't you trying to keep sda7 ? | 13:42 |
| scoundrel50a | just screwed it up ok | 13:42 |
| willy1977 | :/ | 13:43 |
| scoundrel50a | ok, how do I ive it to sda5, then I can install over sda5 | 13:43 |
| willy1977 | am I right in thinking gparted will not have commited changes yet? | 13:43 |
| popey | if he hasn't hit apply, yes | 13:44 |
| scoundrel50a | dont know | 13:44 |
| willy1977 | so scoundrel50a depends if you've hit apply or not as to whether it is actually screwed up or not | 13:44 |
| scoundrel50a | I havent hit apply, just found that button | 13:44 |
| scoundrel50a | 2 operations pending it say | 13:44 |
| scoundrel50a | undid it | 13:45 |
| nucc1 | hmmm, is there a weather applet type thingy for unity? | 13:45 |
| gord | nucc1, install indicator-weather | 13:46 |
| nucc1 | excellent! | 13:46 |
| willy1977 | if you're happy reinstalling I'd be inclined to do the install (think popey mentioned this) and starting afresh with manual partitioning | 13:48 |
| willy1977 | scoundrel50a: ^^^ | 13:48 |
| popey | +1 | 13:48 |
| scoundrel50a | How do I install over both partitions, without installing over windows? | 13:49 |
| scoundrel50a | If somebody could talk me through it, I can do that | 13:49 |
| popey | run the installer | 13:50 |
| popey | when you get to the partitioning stage, choose manual partitioning | 13:50 |
| popey | in the partitioner, delete sda5 through 8 | 13:50 |
| popey | create a new / partition and a swap partition, install into them | 13:50 |
| willy1977 | you can also look at http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download step 4 - show me how, and in the steps that are then shown look at step 4, there select Specify partitions manually (advanced) then you'll get a gparted screen in which you can make the changes popey was on about. | 13:52 |
| scoundrel50a | deleted,how to create new partition, and swap? | 13:54 |
| willy1977 | so you have a block of unallocated now, you should be able to right mouse click on it and create a new partition | 13:56 |
| willy1977 | you want to create one which is total free space - 4.5gb type ext4 mounted as / | 13:57 |
| willy1977 | then the remaining 4.5g you can right mouse click and createa a swap partition - select swap for type. | 13:58 |
| scoundrel50a | created new partition, sda5, but when I go to install, it says 'no root file system defined, please correct this from the partioning menu' what does that mean? | 14:03 |
| hamitron | you need a partition set as / (root) for everything to work from | 14:05 |
| willy1977 | when you create the partition you need to set its mountpoint to / | 14:05 |
| willy1977 | I think you can edit it by right mouse clicking the partition you've created... ? | 14:06 |
| scoundrel50a | ok, I have set its mount point to /, but now its talking about not selecting anyt partitions for use as swap space, what is swap space? | 14:09 |
| popey | i did say create two partitions | 14:10 |
| popey | 13:50:53 < popey> create a new / partition and a swap partition, install into them | 14:10 |
| hamitron | isn't there an option to select the "free space" and for the installer to automatically partition that space? | 14:10 |
| scoundrel50a | but I did ask what that meant, I didnt understand it | 14:10 |
| scoundrel50a | no | 14:11 |
| hamitron | !info racing | 14:13 |
| lubotu3 | Package racing does not exist in maverick | 14:13 |
| hamitron | !partitions | 14:14 |
| lubotu3 | For help with partitioning a new install see: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/switching/installing-partitioning.html - For partitioning programs see !GParted, !QtParted (!Kubuntu 8.10 and lower) or !PartitionManager (!Kubuntu 9.04 and up) - Other partitioning topics include !fstab !home and !swap | 14:14 |
| scoundrel50a | ok, reverted back, then uninstalled agfain, leaving a swap spave | 14:14 |
| scoundrel50a | then clicked install, and now its working | 14:14 |
| scoundrel50a | I hope | 14:15 |
| scoundrel50a | that has to be the most confusing and difficult thing I have ever done | 14:15 |
| hamitron | it used to be a lot harder :) | 14:15 |
| hamitron | I dare say when it was harder, it was made easier by the fact you had to read up on it more though | 14:16 |
| scoundrel50a | Its installing.... | 14:17 |
| oimon | :D | 14:17 |
| hamitron | :D | 14:18 |
| oimon | swap space can also be used as a file rather than a partition, with no performance hit AFAIK | 14:18 |
| scoundrel50a | bet the wifi and touchpad wont work again, you watch | 14:18 |
| scoundrel50a | half way through | 14:18 |
| hamitron | oimon: don't start this convo again ;/ | 14:18 |
| oimon | hamitron: wasn't here last time :( | 14:19 |
| hamitron | ah :D | 14:19 |
| oimon | did it get messy? | 14:19 |
| willy1977 | what conversation is this then... | 14:19 |
| hamitron | about what and where swap should be | 14:19 |
| willy1977 | oh flippin' eck yeah that did get messy :D | 14:20 |
| hamitron | I have since thought of another reason to have a seperate partition though | 14:20 |
| oimon | i forgot to add swap space after my last disk swap | 14:20 |
| oimon | no biggie | 14:20 |
| * oimon has run out of crisps. if the world ends today, you can blame me | 14:22 | |
| hamitron | popey: !partitions is pointing to something very out of date | 14:22 |
| scoundrel50a | ok, its rebooting | 14:28 |
| scoundrel50a | ok, what difference would it make if swap came after the ubuntu partion? | 14:33 |
| scoundrel50a | I coldnt find a way to move it | 14:33 |
| AlanBell | not much difference | 14:33 |
| scoundrel50a | ok | 14:33 |
| AlanBell | only gets in the way if you want to expand a partition | 14:33 |
| AlanBell | so you can delete it, grow the partition, create new swap | 14:34 |
| AlanBell | no big deal | 14:34 |
| AlanBell | just check in fstab for uuids not matching | 14:34 |
| scoundrel50a | I doubt very much I will be fiddling with that again, so it should be ok the way it is, | 14:34 |
| scoundrel50a | how do I do that? | 14:35 |
| scoundrel50a | waiting for updates to install at the moment, asthe | 14:35 |
| oimon | i used to moan about gwibber...hotot is using 271mb resident memory..more than my 20+ Openoffice windows | 14:35 |
| scoundrel50a | as the wireless isnt working again | 14:35 |
| scoundrel50a | what is uuids | 14:36 |
| oimon | scoundrel50a: install the package i mentioned yesterday | 14:36 |
| scoundrel50a | doing that now | 14:36 |
| scoundrel50a | but at least the touchpad is working | 14:36 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | ping popey and AlanBell | 15:01 |
| AlanBell | o/ | 15:01 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | What time are we meeting this evening? | 15:01 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I'm probably going to walk down there and get to the Cobbet for 6:30 ish or so. | 15:01 |
| AlanBell | filace should be in the lamb from 6ish | 15:02 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Ahh - who is filace? Do I know him/her | 15:02 |
| AlanBell | big lad, hangs about with czajkowski :) | 15:02 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Ahh that one. | 15:03 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | What's his name... The bloke who sounds just like lee mack | 15:03 |
| AlanBell | @filace on twitter and irc | 15:03 |
| AlanBell | Jon Fautley | 15:03 |
| AlanBell | actually Filbert on IRC | 15:04 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Yep - just found him on twitter. | 15:04 |
| HazRPG | AlanBell: ah, oops sorry I missed the meeting last night dude - was swamped with work | 15:07 |
| AlanBell | never mind, we all kind of forgot | 15:07 |
| HazRPG | as biglesp said, the group is sort of coming back to life, and I did email them straight after | 15:07 |
| * AlanBell wonders if http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/889/detail/ will fill up as fast as oggcamp | 15:08 | |
| HazRPG | I think there's a meet for Cumbria LUG soon in fact | 15:08 |
| * AlanBell suspects not | 15:08 | |
| AlanBell | http://oggcamp11.eventbrite.com/ 10 remaining! | 15:08 |
| DJones | \o/ Natty upgrade sucessfully completed | 15:08 |
| Pendulum | AlanBell: how is it that Jan Fautley is attending, but czajkowski isn't? | 15:10 |
| HazRPG | I would go to oggcamp... but surrey is just wayyyyyyyyy to far for me | 15:10 |
| AlanBell | she is broken :( | 15:10 |
| HazRPG | esp if I'm going on my own | 15:10 |
| Pendulum | AlanBell: also, aren't you worried that he'll spy? ;-) | 15:10 |
| AlanBell | s/Jan/Jon/ | 15:10 |
| Pendulum | yeah | 15:10 |
| Pendulum | that was finger fail | 15:10 |
| AlanBell | I think he will spy lots of beer | 15:11 |
| HazRPG | ;p | 15:11 |
| czajkowski | Aloha | 15:11 |
| AlanBell | o/ | 15:11 |
| HazRPG | I'll read more on the meeting notes later | 15:12 |
| czajkowski | Pendulum: what's jon going to that I'm not | 15:12 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: how's the back and rash kiddo | 15:13 |
| Pendulum | czajkowski: he's confirmed attending http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/889/detail/ | 15:13 |
| popey | HazRPG: where are you based? | 15:13 |
| czajkowski | wow and I didnt even mention it to him | 15:13 |
| czajkowski | :) | 15:13 |
| AlanBell | oh that | 15:13 |
| czajkowski | davmor2: rash gone | 15:14 |
| czajkowski | back a good bit better thanks | 15:14 |
| HazRPG | popey: Carlisle/Cumbria area | 15:14 |
| Tommeh | You wait, he'll turn up with a bomb that says 'RPM FOREVER!!' | 15:14 |
| AlanBell | Pendulum: I thought you were talking about the beerex | 15:14 |
| popey | HazRPG: one guy is coming from france :) | 15:14 |
| popey | AlanBell: TheOpenSourcerer I will be at the lamb for 6-6:30 | 15:14 |
| Pendulum | AlanBell: haha. no | 15:14 |
| HazRPG | popey: no way | 15:14 |
| HazRPG | popey: hmm | 15:14 |
| popey | yws | 15:14 |
| popey | er | 15:14 |
| popey | way | 15:14 |
| Pendulum | popey: No`? | 15:14 |
| AlanBell | he is making a habit of going to events without czajkowski then! | 15:15 |
| HazRPG | when I said too far, I meant too expensive for my pocket :P | 15:15 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Cool popey - I will see you there. | 15:15 |
| HazRPG | if I could get a car load down, it would be worth my while :) | 15:15 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: good I'm glad to hear it, soon be fighting fit again then :) | 15:16 |
| czajkowski | davmor2: aye | 15:16 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | AlanBell: I'll probably be walking past your door at about 17:45... Should I knock and the run away ;-) | 15:16 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | /the/then | 15:16 |
| Pendulum | TheOpenSourcerer: why warn him? | 15:16 |
| * oimon ponders oggcamp | 15:17 | |
| AlanBell | good idea, we can both run down to the pub | 15:17 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: fantastic, I can't tell you how hard it's been not picking on you :P | 15:17 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Hmm, not sure about the "running" bit. | 15:17 |
| AlanBell | heh | 15:18 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Haven't done that in years | 15:18 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | decades even | 15:18 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Apart from the odd dash for last orders you understand | 15:18 |
| czajkowski | davmor2: :) | 15:18 |
| oimon | are the oggcamp 2010 videos available yet ;) | 15:19 |
| AlanBell | http://twitter.com/#!/talkoss nope | 15:19 |
| oimon | ummm maybe he needs some croudsourcing | 15:20 |
| marxjohnson | https://teambox.com/public/ogg-camp | 15:20 |
| marxjohnson | That's the "to-do" list apparently ;-) | 15:21 |
| AlanBell | yeah, I suggested they just give the presenters the raw video and let them get on with it | 15:21 |
| AlanBell | they said . . . | 15:21 |
| oimon | ... | 15:21 |
| oimon | great idea? | 15:21 |
| AlanBell | Our video editors have come back to us last week with the first cuts. We just need to give them slide timings and they will be done. | 15:21 |
| AlanBell | on 8th March | 15:21 |
| oimon | maybe i will just watch the 2010 oggcamps in august "as live" when you guys and girls go to farnham | 15:22 |
| AlanBell | just stick it on youtube and be done. ARGGGHH | 15:22 |
| oimon | if that was my wedding vid taking 9 months i'd be rather pee'd off | 15:22 |
| marxjohnson | We're discussing better/faster ways of sourcing videos this year | 15:22 |
| marxjohnson | like getting attendees to do them and bang them a service with appropriate tagging so we can pull them all together | 15:24 |
| oimon | that way they actually get watched | 15:24 |
| oimon | interest in viewing videos of a conference must have a half life of a couple of months or so | 15:25 |
| marxjohnson | yeah | 15:25 |
| HazRPG | anyone seen the effect the meerkat tee does on Cheese webcam tool? | 15:28 |
| HazRPG | it looks rather cool: http://www.hazrpg.co.uk/tmp/2011-04-15-141038.jpg | 15:29 |
| oimon | HazRPG: are you inside the matrix? | 15:29 |
| MartijnVdS | oimon: HazRPG = neo | 15:29 |
| HazRPG | xD | 15:29 |
| MartijnVdS | (someone! make his phone ring NOW) | 15:30 |
| HazRPG | xD | 15:30 |
| HazRPG | don't ya know, I see it all unencrypted - via its source code! | 15:30 |
| brobostigon | good afternoon HazRPG :) | 15:31 |
| HazRPG | brobostigon: good afternoon | 15:31 |
| popey | hahah | 15:31 |
| popey | nice t-shirt | 15:31 |
| MartijnVdS | looks a bit "Thundercats"ish | 15:31 |
| brobostigon | interesting picture. | 15:31 |
| HazRPG | popey: I wish it actually did look like that now :P | 15:31 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Blimey - Libre Office put the wind up Oracle by the looks of it: http://blogs.oracle.com/trond/2011/04/openofficeorg_to_become_a_pure.html | 15:31 |
| HazRPG | MartijnVdS: I think that was the idea with the Meerkat tee | 15:32 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Or they have realised there's no money in OOo. | 15:32 |
| MartijnVdS | -> home | 15:32 |
| oimon | hmm started munching on a bag of fruit flakes that appear to be best before aug 2010 | 15:32 |
| popey | "Oracle has a long history of investing in the development and support of open source products" | 15:33 |
| popey | *snort* | 15:33 |
| hamitron | only when it benefits themselves ;/ | 15:33 |
| AlanBell | "only when it benefits themselves" is a perfectly good time to do it | 15:33 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | lol | 15:34 |
| AlanBell | however I don't think they are very good at giving back | 15:34 |
| dutchie | it is better than "never" | 15:34 |
| danfish | if the alans are at the beer festival together, why are they talking to each other via IRC rather than face to face? | 15:35 |
| czajkowski | I'd like a week with no trips to A&E or doctors please | 15:36 |
| danfish | oh, beerex doesn't start til laters. My fault :) | 15:36 |
| czajkowski | twice in one week to both is a bit much | 15:36 |
| czajkowski | but hats off to St.Thomas in London for being excellent | 15:36 |
| * danfish tickles czajkowski with the tickle stick of healing | 15:36 | |
| oimon | it takes 8 weeks to get a checkup for my little boy | 15:36 |
| czajkowski | danfish: it's been a long week I'd like some good kamra please | 15:37 |
| czajkowski | danfish: woke up yesterday with uvula so swollen it was sitting on my tongue and not letting me swollow or talk so kinda freaked me out | 15:38 |
| AlanBell | !upstart | 15:38 |
| lubotu3 | Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model. For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ | 15:38 |
| Azelphur | Today just isn't my day haha, namehost server DDoS'd, TF2 Update breaks everything, all plugins require a fix, wake up in the morning after going to sleep at 7am to find my dads unplugged the modem and taken it to his office \o/ | 15:40 |
| Azelphur | Life as a sysadmin \o/ | 15:40 |
| nucc1 | Azelphur, very funny, the dad part. | 15:40 |
| hamitron | Azelphur: mine is worse.... | 15:40 |
| Azelphur | nucc1: indeed | 15:40 |
| hamitron | installing Windows ME in a few hours | 15:40 |
| hamitron | :/ | 15:40 |
| Azelphur | hamitron: lol why | 15:40 |
| nucc1 | Azelphur, hamitron has ceased to surprise me. | 15:41 |
| Azelphur | xD | 15:41 |
| hamitron | never got this laptop working with windows 98 well | 15:41 |
| Azelphur | on the bright side, after 7 months of arguing we're finally on an unmetered connection | 15:41 |
| Azelphur | rather than 60GB/mo between 5 people | 15:41 |
| danfish | czajkowski: sounds unpleasant. Feeling better today? | 15:41 |
| hamitron | Azelphur: with who? | 15:41 |
| nucc1 | Azelphur, he he he. last month, i topped 90GB. | 15:41 |
| czajkowski | yeah they gave me steroid and antihestimeans(sp) | 15:41 |
| Azelphur | hamitron: sky | 15:42 |
| czajkowski | but then I broke out in a rash so they wouldnt let me go home for a while | 15:42 |
| hamitron | it is properly unmetered? | 15:42 |
| nucc1 | most of them throttle though | 15:42 |
| danfish | czajkowski: oops :( | 15:42 |
| nucc1 | but they advertise no caps | 15:42 |
| hamitron | I read sky was 40Gb | 15:42 |
| Azelphur | hamitron: yup, no limits I know about | 15:42 |
| Azelphur | hamitron: no, specifically no FUP | 15:42 |
| hamitron | gl | 15:42 |
| hamitron | :) | 15:42 |
| czajkowski | danfish: yeah oppps | 15:42 |
| Azelphur | there's a video from a couple years ago with the sky CEO announcing they dropped the FUP and switch to us for truely unlimited broadband xD | 15:43 |
| Azelphur | on the gadget show. | 15:43 |
| oimon | a lot changing in 2 yrs | 15:43 |
| nucc1 | what's FUP? | 15:43 |
| Azelphur | fair usage policy | 15:43 |
| nucc1 | lol | 15:43 |
| Azelphur | their website still doesn't say Unlimited* | 15:43 |
| Azelphur | It says Unlimited. | 15:43 |
| nucc1 | sky hugh | 15:43 |
| nucc1 | is it xDSL? | 15:44 |
| Azelphur | yup | 15:44 |
| nucc1 | something about DSL being based on copper makes me wary. i don't know. | 15:44 |
| hamitron | Azelphur: is your line with sky too? | 15:44 |
| Azelphur | hamitron: yea, I had to get a second line for it | 15:44 |
| hamitron | static ip? | 15:45 |
| hamitron | i iz interested | 15:45 |
| hamitron | :) | 15:45 |
| Azelphur | nope no static | 15:45 |
| hamitron | :/ | 15:45 |
| Azelphur | I don't trust that they are unlimited either | 15:45 |
| Azelphur | but I'm about to find out. :-) | 15:45 |
| nucc1 | Azelphur, but it's a routable IP probably, just it changes every few months? | 15:45 |
| Azelphur | nucc1: yup | 15:45 |
| hamitron | I've played with changing to the business 2mbit service | 15:46 |
| nucc1 | Azelphur, that's good enough unless you're doing hosting :p | 15:46 |
| hamitron | my 440kbit upload is slooooooooow | 15:46 |
| czajkowski | danfish: how does one go about getting an alergy test in this country | 15:46 |
| czajkowski | it seems rather difficult | 15:46 |
| Azelphur | nucc1: yea, I like having a dns pointed at my IP but nothing dydns can't take care of | 15:46 |
| czajkowski | back home you just get a rast test done at hospital when they do a blood test | 15:46 |
| hamitron | czajkowski: your GP? | 15:46 |
| Azelphur | hamitron: main downside is ToS says you can only use their router | 15:47 |
| hamitron | my mother had a lot of tests | 15:47 |
| Azelphur | hamitron: which is no problem, I'm using their router, it's plugged into my routers WAN Port :-) | 15:47 |
| Azelphur | and my router is DMZ'd | 15:47 |
| czajkowski | nope | 15:47 |
| Azelphur | teehee. | 15:47 |
| hamitron | Azelphur: that is ok if their router can handle your traffic | 15:47 |
| Azelphur | hamitron: most routers can handle near their full throughput with one client, unencrypted, and wifi turned off. | 15:48 |
| Azelphur | I've never seen one that couldn't. | 15:48 |
| hamitron | the simultanious connections I've found to be a problem is the past | 15:49 |
| oimon | czajkowski: my GP discouraged me from getting an allergy test...probably due to cost to the nhs | 15:49 |
| nucc1 | hmmm, is there a netspeed applet for unity? | 15:49 |
| czajkowski | yes well... I need one to rule out me being alergic to antiflammatorys which is rather bad seeing as I need them for my back. | 15:49 |
| bigcalm | Anybody seen this today? http://www.aperturescience.com/a/b/c/d/g/h/abcdgh/ | 15:50 |
| hamitron | czajkowski: if you are having problems that are very bad, I'm sure your GP will provide | 15:50 |
| oimon | hopefully your GP is better than mine. mine seems to think i'm a hypochondriac even though i haven't been for 6 years | 15:50 |
| danfish | czajkowski: not sure there is a RAST test for anti-inflammatories | 15:54 |
| czajkowski | danfish: aye that's what I figured as much as well. bugger | 15:55 |
| * TheOpenSourcerer says pah to RAST tests. | 15:56 | |
| TheOpenSourcerer | they completely failed to detect a *severe* peanut allergy in my son. | 15:56 |
| hamitron | I get burning patches on my arms when I handle paper printed on most lasor printers.... no paperwork for me.... that is my story and I am sticking to it! | 15:57 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | A skin-prick test we had to pay for at a private consultant did though. | 15:57 |
| danfish | skin prick testing for peanut allergies - brave consultant! | 15:58 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | danfish: We didn't know he had a peanut allergy. We were trying to find if anything was exacerbating his exzema | 16:00 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | He'd had several RAST tests and nothing reproted out of the ordinary | 16:01 |
| hamitron | I suppose some things are harder to test than others :/ | 16:01 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | When the peanut prick swelled the bloke looked at us and said "You do carry an epipen don't you?" | 16:02 |
| Pendulum | I think RAST tests are food allergies only, but they aren't supposed to be that accurate | 16:02 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | s/that// | 16:02 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | One result the hsopital said he was allergic to "everything" | 16:03 |
| popey | yay, hugo may be coming to the beerex too | 16:03 |
| Pendulum | according to the RAST test I had done years ago, I should have a low-grade reaction to most foods and a definite reaction to anything involving mold in food (blue cheese, yogurt, tofu were the things mentioned) | 16:03 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | The other test they said was normal. | 16:03 |
| Pendulum | interestingly, I've never liked yogurt or been a huge fan of blue cheese (all other cheeses I've had I adore) | 16:03 |
| * popey goes home to "spruce" | 16:04 | |
| * TheOpenSourcerer loves Manchengo. My all-time favourite cheese. | 16:04 | |
| ging | i dont understand how someone thought hmm this cheese has visible mold on it, that will make it nicer nom nom nom | 16:05 |
| hamitron | gets stronger with age? | 16:06 |
| oimon | cheese is just wrong | 16:06 |
| davmor2 | oimon: why? | 16:07 |
| hamitron | tbh, I am more impressed someone thought of cheese at all ;) | 16:07 |
| willy1977 | oimon: :o how very dare you! | 16:07 |
| hamitron | bacon > cheese | 16:07 |
| hamitron | ;) | 16:07 |
| * czajkowski stops her feet | 16:08 | |
| czajkowski | for 3 years I've heard about this beer festival | 16:08 |
| hamitron | stops? | 16:09 |
| czajkowski | I'm finally over here for it and can't go | 16:09 |
| czajkowski | *STOMPS | 16:09 |
| AlanBell | we will miss you | 16:09 |
| hamitron | k :) | 16:09 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | czajkowski: Want me to send a wheelchair? | 16:09 |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: popey TheOpenSourcerer have fun ye buggers | 16:09 |
| czajkowski | TheOpenSourcerer: nope, cant drink | 16:09 |
| AlanBell | especially when sampling the hundreds of ciders | 16:09 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Lol | 16:09 |
| AlanBell | and the perry | 16:09 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | That must be very hard czajkowski | 16:09 |
| danfish | TheOpenSourcerer: ah that makes sense now! | 16:09 |
| AlanBell | in fact that whole room full of cider | 16:09 |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: dont choke! | 16:09 |
| czajkowski | >:( | 16:10 |
| czajkowski | meanies | 16:10 |
| hamitron | 30Gb hdd, how to partition it? ;/ | 16:10 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | hamitron: Why? | 16:11 |
| hamitron | gotta fit as many different OS as possible, but leave enough for Windows ME gaming | 16:11 |
| jpds | hamitron: gparted. | 16:11 |
| hamitron | I will be using fdisk ty ;/ | 16:11 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Most Linux OSes will fit in 2-3GB if you are frugal. | 16:11 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Use a common swap. | 16:12 |
| gordonjcp | 256k | 16:12 |
| gordonjcp | you won't (easily) fit a modern desktop install into that | 16:12 |
| jpds | hamitron: 640K partitions should be enough for everyone. | 16:12 |
| hamitron | TheOpenSourcerer: a reason i thought of today, why it is a good idea to have swap on a partition :D | 16:12 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | If you've enough RAM then you don't. | 16:12 |
| hamitron | 512mb ram | 16:13 |
| hamitron | ;/ | 16:13 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Hmm. | 16:13 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I'd have some swap. | 16:13 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Otherwise your system might just DIE | 16:13 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | through lack of memory | 16:13 |
| hamitron | it normally does ;) | 16:13 |
| hamitron | abuse ftw \o/ | 16:13 |
| hamitron | thinking 20Gb for windows ME, then rest for maybe 6 or 7 distro | 16:14 |
| Tommeh | You're wasting rust on ME? | 16:16 |
| hamitron | games baby! | 16:16 |
| Tommeh | Did you miss the disk burning when XP came out? | 16:16 |
| hamitron | this is my retro gaming rig | 16:16 |
| Tommeh | 98 then ;) | 16:17 |
| hamitron | I wish :/ | 16:17 |
| Tommeh | Or 2K, for that matter. | 16:17 |
| hamitron | for some reason, 98 doesn't work well | 16:17 |
| hamitron | and 2k is too new | 16:17 |
| MooDoo | just use dos6.22 and play doom like the rest of us | 16:18 |
| hamitron | I grew up in the 9x erra :/ | 16:18 |
| hamitron | most my games are from then | 16:18 |
| * MooDoo suts up | 16:18 | |
| hamitron | on the plus side, I got a lower spec toy to break :) | 16:19 |
| hamitron | should save this from so much abuse | 16:19 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | ROTFLMAO: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/before-you-install-windows-home-server-2011-rtfm-seriously/3134 | 16:29 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Really - read this ^^-^^ | 16:29 |
| phonex01 | hi guys | 16:29 |
| phonex01 | im using wine and i need to use serial port ! | 16:29 |
| phonex01 | my serial port on ubuntu called ttyUSB1 and i want to use it with wine | 16:30 |
| phonex01 | how can i do that !!!! | 16:30 |
| oimon | phonex01: have you read the wine docs? | 16:42 |
| oimon | e.g. http://www.winehq.org/docs/wineusr-guide/misc-things-to-configure | 16:42 |
| phonex01 | hi thank you i did it | 16:43 |
| phonex01 | i used ln command and its work ! | 16:44 |
| phonex01 | sudo ln -s /dev/ttyUSB4 com1 | 16:44 |
| Tommeh | Heh, useful | 16:45 |
| oimon | anyone still using norton ghost for windows imaging? | 16:47 |
| oimon | we have been using acronis but it uses a licence each machine you restore an image to! $$£££ | 16:47 |
| phonex01 | norton ghost is very bad for the health of your hard disk | 16:47 |
| phonex01 | use acronis on hiren boot cd it is free | 16:47 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | See you all later then. AlanBell I'll bang on your door about 17:30-17:45 | 16:47 |
| AlanBell | ok, see you later | 16:49 |
| hamitron | !grub2 | 16:56 |
| lubotu3 | GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10) | 16:56 |
| seeker | Is portal 2 out now? | 17:00 |
| bigcalm | No :( | 17:01 |
| bigcalm | http://www.aperturescience.com/glados@home/ | 17:01 |
| kirrus | Clever | 17:02 |
| seeker | Can't see the link on my phone :( | 17:03 |
| bigcalm | It's to get people to buy more games | 17:03 |
| oimon | nothing to do with beefy miracle then? | 17:04 |
| bigcalm | Portal 2 is the only thing on anybody's mind right now | 17:04 |
| oimon | http://blog.ianweller.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/hotdog-tshirt-fudcon.png | 17:05 |
| directhex | bigcalm, genius | 17:06 |
| HazRPG | anyone have issues with skype? | 17:06 |
| bigcalm | HazRPG: yes, it's not open source | 17:06 |
| bigcalm | ! | 17:06 |
| HazRPG | I've had it die twice so far in mid conversation | 17:06 |
| ali12341 | it's funny that people will buy a whole bunch of sucky games just to get a potato so they can look at some concept art for portal 2 | 17:06 |
| HazRPG | bigcalm: well yeah, I know this :P | 17:06 |
| davmor2 | hahaha darwinia has a spoof spectrum loading screen as a raytracer :D | 17:06 |
| bigcalm | directhex: have you bought the potato sack then? | 17:06 |
| * bigcalm will not be doing so | 17:07 | |
| bigcalm | I can wait until Tuesday | 17:07 |
| directhex | bigcalm, can't justify it when i already own half the games | 17:07 |
| directhex | ali12341, um... aren't you the one who complains about modern gaming being rubbish? | 17:08 |
| ali12341 | directhex: yes | 17:08 |
| ali12341 | case in point, people will only buy that stuff if there's a tie in with a game that's actually good | 17:08 |
| directhex | so you hate big-franchise shooters, but hate on indie games without playing them? | 17:09 |
| ali12341 | yes | 17:09 |
| Azelphur | so, now I'm on dynamic IP, I own my own domain and want to have a subdomain that always points at my current home address, magnets how do they work? | 17:09 |
| seeker | So you don't like "modern" games, you don't like indie games, so you don't really like games. So you are basically trolling. | 17:10 |
| ali12341 | oh, i like good games | 17:10 |
| ali12341 | unfortunately just because a game was made on a shoe string budget does not mean it is good | 17:11 |
| directhex | um, i never said that. but it doesn't make it bad either | 17:11 |
| ali12341 | i never said it did | 17:12 |
| ali12341 | i just said that these particular games are sucky | 17:12 |
| gord | jsut fyi, most of the games in that potato whatever are actually pretty good | 17:12 |
| seeker | ali12341: Have you played them? | 17:12 |
| gord | amnesia is critically acclaimed - killing floor is hugely popular, bit trip beat again critically acclaimed, same for super meat boy | 17:13 |
| ali12341 | well killing floor is an FPS game therefore identical to every other FPS game released in the last 10 years | 17:14 |
| seeker | ali12341: If not, stop denouncing things you have never tried. It isn't big and it isn't clever. | 17:14 |
| gord | ali12341, nope, its not | 17:15 |
| gord | have you not played it? i have | 17:15 |
| ali12341 | gord it's not a FPS? | 17:16 |
| gord | its fps, its not identical to every other fps | 17:16 |
| ali12341 | you don't shoot zombies with guns on it? | 17:16 |
| directhex | i own that one too, although i've not played it. it demands playing in co-op fashion, i prefer singleplayer | 17:16 |
| ali12341 | lol, that statement is a contradiction in terms, all FPS are identical | 17:16 |
| seeker | Ubuntu is a Linux distro and therefore identical to every other linux | 17:16 |
| seeker | Distro | 17:16 |
| ali12341 | seeker that's true once you strip out the canonical branding... | 17:17 |
| gord | potato is a vegetable and therefore is identical to a carrot | 17:17 |
| bigcalm | http://imgur.com/TJVGn | 17:17 |
| seeker | This is an irc conversation, and therefore identical to every other irc conversation. It starts out with someone making outrageous claims about something they have never | 17:18 |
| ali12341 | also true | 17:18 |
| gord | someone modded minecraft to have guns once, guess that makes it the same as call of duty | 17:18 |
| seeker | Tried/seen/experienced, and then... | 17:18 |
| seeker | ali12341: So is portal the same as CoD? | 17:19 |
| ali12341 | seeker no | 17:19 |
| ali12341 | portal does not have any guns | 17:19 |
| seeker | Yes it does | 17:19 |
| ali12341 | oh really? | 17:19 |
| seeker | The whole game is about shooting stuff | 17:19 |
| ali12341 | where? | 17:19 |
| seeker | With portals | 17:19 |
| seeker | It's just a special type of ammo for a gun | 17:19 |
| ali12341 | um, no | 17:19 |
| ali12341 | portals can't even attach to moving objects, sorry | 17:20 |
| seeker | But just like every other gun it makes holes in what you shoot it at | 17:20 |
| ali12341 | so i guess it's kind of like a FPS, where you only ever shoot none moving targets | 17:20 |
| ali12341 | which is original in itself | 17:20 |
| seeker | A) it is a first person game | 17:20 |
| seeker | B) you shoot at X | 17:20 |
| hamitron | wow, booting off usb 1.1 is slow | 17:20 |
| ali12341 | plenty of games are first person | 17:21 |
| seeker | In this case X is a wall | 17:21 |
| gord | portal is the same game as doom | 17:21 |
| gord | everyone knows this | 17:21 |
| seeker | Therefore it is a FPS | 17:21 |
| ali12341 | it has nothing to do with games where you shoot zombies with shotguns | 17:21 |
| directhex | gord, identical! | 17:21 |
| seeker | And, by your reasoning is identical to every other FPS game in the last 10 tears | 17:21 |
| seeker | *years | 17:21 |
| seeker | Oh, wait, it isn't. Congratulations for arguing against your own statement | 17:22 |
| ali12341 | um, no | 17:22 |
| ali12341 | portal doesn't have shotguns or zombies | 17:22 |
| gord | my life is basically the same thing as mario, as sometimes i go on a platform | 17:22 |
| directhex | the whole discussion is asinine | 17:22 |
| gord | sometimes i eat mushrooms | 17:22 |
| ali12341 | also i love how you can only argue your point by using the logical fallacies that you accuse me of | 17:22 |
| seeker | ali12341: well killing floor is an FPS game therefore identical to every other FPS game released in the last 10 years | 17:22 |
| hamitron | it is using the same engine to create something a little bit different ;/ | 17:23 |
| ali12341 | seeker yes that is true. it has zombies, it has shotguns | 17:23 |
| seeker | Your statement didnt mention shotguns or zombies | 17:23 |
| ali12341 | zombies and shotguns are taken as a given for any FPS | 17:23 |
| seeker | You just generalised all FPS | 17:23 |
| ali12341 | um yes | 17:23 |
| ali12341 | exactly | 17:23 |
| ali12341 | all FPS can be summed up as "zombies and shotguns" | 17:23 |
| directhex | okay, a less asinine comparison: | 17:23 |
| seeker | But portal is an FPS | 17:23 |
| directhex | are killiong floor and amnesia the same? | 17:23 |
| ali12341 | nope, amnesia is not a FPS either | 17:24 |
| directhex | fallout 3 has shotguns and zombies. is it call of duty? | 17:24 |
| seeker | The definition of a FPS isnt "shotguns and zombies" | 17:24 |
| seeker | It is a game, in first person view, where you shoot things. | 17:25 |
| ali12341 | i forgot the crates | 17:25 |
| ali12341 | zombies, shotguns and crates | 17:25 |
| ali12341 | and make sure everything is brown as well | 17:25 |
| seeker | You cant say that all FPS are identical, provided you restrict FPS games to those with zombies and shotguns | 17:25 |
| hamitron | the ones with humans, shotguns and crates are a different genre ;) | 17:25 |
| ali12341 | i can, and i did :) | 17:26 |
| hamitron | hehe | 17:26 |
| hamitron | it is like racing games... same sorta thing but not the same | 17:26 |
| directhex | mario kart is gran turismo? | 17:26 |
| nucc1 | erm, anyone using gnome3 here? some of my programs don't seem to be using the gnome3 theme | 17:26 |
| ali12341 | well except for the fact that 99% of racing games are indestiguishable | 17:27 |
| * hamitron spanks ali12341 | 17:27 | |
| hamitron | how dare you ;/ | 17:27 |
| nucc1 | ali12341, most have different nuances | 17:27 |
| ali12341 | mario kart is not gran turismo, here is how you tell them apart: if you're having fun, you're playing mario kart | 17:27 |
| seeker | ali12341: In that case, you aren't using thesame definition as the rest of the world, and are therefore just trolling. | 17:27 |
| nucc1 | different driving physics and stuff | 17:27 |
| nucc1 | i don't like Gran Tourismo cos it's too "real". | 17:27 |
| ali12341 | if you're not even sure what game you're playing, it might be gran turismo, or test drive, or one of those | 17:28 |
| hamitron | GT is not real :/ | 17:28 |
| bigcalm | Best racing game I miss is Re-Volt | 17:28 |
| hamitron | Re-Volt \o. | 17:28 |
| hamitron | \o/ | 17:28 |
| nucc1 | i prefer my racing games to have lots of fantasy moves in them | 17:28 |
| hamitron | and rollcage | 17:28 |
| nucc1 | hence, Need for speed | 17:28 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: no racing games peeked with mircomachines | 17:28 |
| directhex | rc pro am | 17:28 |
| bigcalm | Rollcage was a good one to make one feel one was going damn fast | 17:28 |
| hamitron | bigcalm: yeh | 17:28 |
| directhex | wipeout is fun in 3d | 17:29 |
| directhex | it works well in 3d | 17:29 |
| bigcalm | I wonder if Re-Volt is on GoG | 17:29 |
| hamitron | I has Re-Volt | 17:29 |
| hamitron | :) | 17:29 |
| bigcalm | It's not on GoG :( | 17:30 |
| hamitron | but I try buy every racing game | 17:30 |
| hamitron | or used to | 17:30 |
| hamitron | :/ | 17:30 |
| bigcalm | I used to have it, but it stopped working on OSes between then and now | 17:31 |
| hamitron | well, I am installing Windows ME so will remind you how good it plays later ;) | 17:31 |
| hamitron | just making space for windows, then sorted | 17:32 |
| hamitron | although, think I've wrecked grub2 :/ | 17:32 |
| hamitron | I made a file at /etc/grub.d/60_ham | 17:33 |
| hamitron | and now it just boots straight off my usb | 17:33 |
| hamitron | oh noes | 17:33 |
| hamitron | I missed off the { and } | 17:34 |
| hamitron | *face meets palm* | 17:34 |
| bigcalm | hamitron: http://rv12.zackattackgames.com/ | 17:34 |
| hamitron | nice :D | 17:35 |
| hamitron | guess I can play without fixing my other machine | 17:35 |
| === tubadaz_ is now known as tubadaz | ||
| popey | WHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEE! | 18:22 |
| hamitron | popey: ? | 18:24 |
| DJones | Somebody greased popey's slide | 18:25 |
| MartijnVdS | .... | 18:25 |
| MartijnVdS | I think it's popey-weekend | 18:25 |
| hamitron | if you have messed up grub2 config, can you press some hot key to not load the config? | 18:26 |
| MartijnVdS | hamitron: I don't think so.. insert rescue CD :) | 18:26 |
| hamitron | no cd drive | 18:26 |
| MartijnVdS | Rescue USB stick | 18:27 |
| hamitron | and mobo too old to boot from usb | 18:27 |
| hamitron | haha | 18:27 |
| MartijnVdS | Rescue floppy? | 18:27 |
| hamitron | not got a working comp with a floppy drive in this room ;) | 18:27 |
| hamitron | guess I could go into the garage | 18:27 |
| * hamitron grumbles | 18:28 | |
| MartijnVdS | Put the disk in another machine, fix config? | 18:28 |
| MartijnVdS | put disk back? | 18:28 |
| hamitron | can i modify the config from the grub command line? | 18:29 |
| MartijnVdS | You can boot manually from the command line | 18:30 |
| MartijnVdS | then fix it in the booted OS | 18:30 |
| hamitron | !info grub2 cli | 18:31 |
| lubotu3 | 'cli' is not a valid distribution: hardy, hardy-backports, hardy-proposed, jaunty, jaunty-backports, jaunty-proposed, karmic, karmic-backports, karmic-proposed, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, lucid, lucid-backports, lucid-proposed, maverick, maverick-backports, maverick-proposed, medibuntu, natty, natty-backports, natty-proposed, partner, stable, testing, unstable | 18:31 |
| hamitron | !grub2 | 18:31 |
| lubotu3 | GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10) | 18:31 |
| Azelphur | popey: with rsnapshot do you take a snapshot of / usually | 18:32 |
| Azelphur | or do you just do /home | 18:32 |
| === tubadaz is now known as tubadaz_away | ||
| === tubadaz_away is now known as tubadaz | ||
| popey | Azelphur: yes, and some exclusions | 18:38 |
| directhex | decided to buy the potato sack & portal 2. you only live once. | 18:38 |
| bigcalm | :O | 18:39 |
| directhex | there's a bundle | 18:39 |
| bigcalm | I don't see the release date dropping | 18:39 |
| Azelphur | popey: care to elaborate? I'd like to start doing it on my server | 18:39 |
| Azelphur | I'm not sure how it'd work permissions wise without a root user | 18:39 |
| hamitron | directhex: potato sack? | 18:45 |
| directhex | hamitron: the collection of 13 indie games ali12341 complained were crap by definition | 18:48 |
| ali12341 | um no | 18:48 |
| ali12341 | i didn't say they were crap by definition | 18:48 |
| ali12341 | i said they were crap | 18:48 |
| bigcalm | And you've played each one? | 18:48 |
| ali12341 | then you put words into my mouth saying that i hate *all* indie games | 18:48 |
| ali12341 | bigcalm: no, because i don't buy crap, sorry | 18:48 |
| ali12341 | i looked at the demo videos of each one on steam | 18:49 |
| bigcalm | Fair enough | 18:49 |
| hamitron | :) | 18:49 |
| hamitron | tbh, they do look crap :/ | 18:49 |
| hamitron | or at least most of them | 18:49 |
| directhex | woo, demo videos. | 18:51 |
| hamitron | how I run "update-grub" from inside a chroot'ed environment? | 18:51 |
| hamitron | or would modifying /boot/grub/grub.cfg be enough to boot? | 18:52 |
| ali12341 | it depends | 18:54 |
| hamitron | ouuuu | 18:54 |
| hamitron | I got my main OS booting \o/ | 18:54 |
| MartijnVdS | hamitron: woohoo | 18:59 |
| hamitron | least I have another go to make or break it :) | 19:02 |
| hamitron | damn, this is why I love linux | 19:05 |
| hamitron | :) | 19:05 |
| hamitron | with everything so easy, I've been getting lazy and missed this sort of thing | 19:05 |
| DJones | Is ubuntuforums.org down for people, it looks as though its down to me | 19:28 |
| ali12341 | DJones: they are testing a new spam filter | 19:32 |
| ali12341 | DJones: there's a post of the forums about it | 19:32 |
| DJones | ali12341: ok, just come back up | 19:33 |
| ali12341 | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1729768 | 19:33 |
| ali12341 | i don;t know how you're supposed to read that if you're accidentally banned | 19:33 |
| ali12341 | but there you go | 19:33 |
| gordonjcp | ali12341: seems down for me... | 19:35 |
| DJones | Its a bit flakey, working one minute, dead the next | 19:35 |
| scoundrel50a | Just wanted to thank those that helped me this afternoon, in getting my Ubuntu back, and helping to delete a partition, My Ubuntu 10.10 seems to be working ok again. I'm just testing my windows partition now, its going through a scandisk, but everything looks ok. Thanks again. | 20:05 |
| jonsaint | hi all. HELP! i cant get my update manager to update. i got a no entry sign at the top of my screen! | 20:15 |
| jonsaint | anyone here? | 20:17 |
| jonsaint | il come back later to see if anyone can help me. | 20:18 |
| ali12341 | heh, even microsoft knows native is better | 20:22 |
| hamitron | ali12341: ? | 20:22 |
| ali12341 | http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2011/04/12/native-html5-first-ie10-platform-preview-available-for-download.aspx | 20:22 |
| ali12341 | "Web sites and HTML5 run best when they run natively, on a browser optimized for the operating system on your device." | 20:22 |
| hamitron | no shit | 20:24 |
| hamitron | errr | 20:24 |
| hamitron | no messing ;/ | 20:24 |
| ali12341 | i wonder what browsers don't run natively | 20:24 |
| hamitron | I get the feeling a lot of stuff doesn't :/ | 20:25 |
| ali12341 | perhaps ones that run on a VM layer... | 20:25 |
| hamitron | that or everything is getting slower | 20:25 |
| hamitron | I guess each way of doing something, has its own advantages | 20:26 |
| hamitron | and I am glad to see, some are taking performance seriously for once | 20:26 |
| hamitron | ¬¬ | 20:26 |
| ali12341 | here is one http://lobobrowser.org/cobra.jsp | 20:26 |
| ali12341 | can't find any others | 20:27 |
| directhex | sounds like it's an attempt to say "sandboxing your tabs is BAD and WRONG, we don't do it because we're AWESOME" | 20:29 |
| hamitron | it is certainly cheating, when it comes to security | 20:32 |
| hamitron | :) | 20:32 |
| hamitron | but that doesn't have to be a bad thing | 20:32 |
| ali12341 | sandboxing the browser is pointless anyway | 20:33 |
| ali12341 | why should the browser get extra security? | 20:33 |
| ali12341 | every app should be sandboxed by default by the OS | 20:33 |
| ali12341 | especially now that the trend of making your application in HTML has completely reversed into making your webpage an app | 20:35 |
| hamitron | ali12341: sandboxing as a whole can be good, but it is an extra layer that is going to take resources | 20:42 |
| hamitron | overly complicates things | 20:43 |
| hamitron | and in an ideal world, I wouldn;t want it | 20:43 |
| ali12341 | http://git.gnome.org/browse/gvfs/commit/?id=7460f26f9243e6b1745a448b8dc05b15d12aa86e | 20:53 |
| ali12341 | gvfsd bug got fixed :) | 20:53 |
| hamitron | brb, restart | 21:09 |
| nucc1 | echo. | 21:16 |
| suprengr | just logged in so pardon if it's been here before but this is worth a smile / grin / laugh / other emotion... | 21:38 |
| suprengr | http://developers.slashdot.org/story/11/04/15/194235/OpenOfficeorg-To-Be-Given-Back-To-the-Community?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29 | 21:38 |
| hamitron | suprengr: a *sigh* I think | 21:41 |
| hamitron | and not of relief | 21:41 |
| hamitron | ;) | 21:41 |
| suprengr | Notice to all competitors of Oracle... call yourself Libre Office and see them run ;) | 21:49 |
| ali12341 | libre office is a better name than OOoOO.OoOo or whatever it was called | 21:58 |
| brobostigon | openoffice.org* | 21:58 |
| matti | ;] | 21:59 |
| brobostigon | good evening matti :) | 21:59 |
| matti | Hey brobostigon ;] | 22:00 |
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| === tubadaz_away is now known as tubadaz | ||
| === michael is now known as Guest98684 | ||
| hamitron | !pxe | 22:40 |
| hamitron | !netboot | 22:40 |
| lubotu3 | Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall - Don't want to use a CD? See http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate | 22:40 |
| zleap | does anyone know how nvidia ion 2 is supported in ubuntu | 22:44 |
| zleap | i am looking at getting a Acer Aspire Revo R3700 Desktop | 22:44 |
| daftykins | zleap: nvidia binary drivers, be fine | 22:45 |
| zleap | ok | 22:45 |
| daftykins | i run ion 1's myself | 22:45 |
| zleap | ok | 22:45 |
| daftykins | just setup another 4 for a client as HTPCs around his house ^_^ | 22:45 |
| zleap | well this thing is <200 quid | 22:45 |
| daftykins | yeah, similar sort of gear | 22:45 |
| zleap | so seems for what I am going to use it for, fine | 22:45 |
| daftykins | atom+ion | 22:45 |
| daftykins | as long as it won't be a primary desktop they're good yep :) | 22:46 |
| zleap | whats wrong with it being a primary desktop | 22:46 |
| zleap | all i generally use my computer for here, is web, e-mail, typing, irc | 22:46 |
| zleap | and a few Linux games | 22:46 |
| ali12341 | as long as games = solitaire and minesweeper it will be fine | 22:47 |
| daftykins | atom processors can be very painful for even web browsing, given the heavily laden flash and javascript nature of modern sites | 22:47 |
| zleap | ah | 22:47 |
| daftykins | but it's not impossible | 22:47 |
| zleap | surely a dual atom processor + ion which is nmeant to give 10x performance of integrated graphics | 22:47 |
| ali12341 | not for browsing | 22:48 |
| zleap | ah | 22:48 |
| ali12341 | nvidia driver + firefox = worse performance than integrated graphics | 22:48 |
| daftykins | the only benefit you'll get is with video sites like youtube, from the Ion graphics | 22:48 |
| zleap | well how would it compare to a duron 1600 + 1gb ram + geforce 4 | 22:48 |
| daftykins | as that'll let the little boxes play HD video | 22:48 |
| daftykins | not that you can truthfully call youtube's video HD... | 22:48 |
| zleap | hmm | 22:48 |
| ali12341 | rubbish | 22:49 |
| ali12341 | youtube's HD is a lot better than the BBC's HD | 22:49 |
| daftykins | it'll have a slight edge graphically, but you won't feel too much of a processor kick | 22:49 |
| zleap | hmm | 22:49 |
| daftykins | how does making a comparison invalidate my statement? | 22:49 |
| zleap | dunno, i was just asking | 22:49 |
| ali12341 | ok then, let me put it this way, youtube's HD is HD by every possible definition of the term | 22:49 |
| zleap | given my current pc is about 8 years old, and this is pretty new I would expect better performance | 22:50 |
| ali12341 | (and the BBC's is not) | 22:50 |
| zleap | ok, so what should i look at for a low powered system then | 22:50 |
| ali12341 | pinetrail every time | 22:50 |
| daftykins | yeah but Atoms aren't mainstream | 22:51 |
| hamitron | i3 \o/ | 22:51 |
| zleap | ok | 22:51 |
| daftykins | they're netbook gear put in the desktop form factor for obscure reasons :D | 22:51 |
| zleap | yeah have atom in my dell 10v | 22:52 |
| daftykins | you'd basically be buying one of those that can play back HD video | 22:52 |
| zleap | plays glest far better than my desktop does, which reminds me I need to see if i can install open arena to play at the lighthouse (local youth project I am setting up pc's for) | 22:53 |
| zleap | extra client so I can get my butt kicked by the kids down there :D | 22:53 |
| daftykins | =] | 22:54 |
| daftykins | i was too lazy to even set up a client for myself when i let the students play UT on the last day of term | 22:54 |
| zleap | ah | 22:54 |
| daftykins | though i did have my client run a dedicated server | 22:54 |
| daftykins | :> | 22:54 |
| daftykins | but they all favour CS 1.6 =/ foolish youngsters | 22:54 |
| zleap | well i think we are 100 percent Ubuntu | 22:55 |
| zleap | not sure about a few of the laptops people use, that could run windows, but all the main computers run Ubuntu | 22:55 |
| brobostigon | good night eveyone, sleep well. | 23:06 |
| nucc1 | my alt+tab isn't working (gnome3)... | 23:16 |
| === tubadaz is now known as tubadaz_away | ||
| daftykins | alt+shift+tab too? | 23:22 |
| === tubadaz_away is now known as tubadaz | ||
| nucc1 | daftykins: got help from #gnome3. it turns out tobe keyboard shortcuts. | 23:30 |
| daftykins | in what way, given of course alt+tab is a keyboard shortcut? | 23:30 |
| nucc1 | they were disabled by default. | 23:31 |
| nucc1 | no idea why. | 23:31 |
| daftykins | ah, strange | 23:33 |
| nucc1 | i thought all apps would look "gnome3". | 23:34 |
| nucc1 | turns out most apps still have the gnome2 look. | 23:34 |
| nucc1 | a little disappointing that, but quite understandable. | 23:34 |
| nucc1 | wonder if i would have the time to take a stab at porting a small app myself. | 23:35 |
| daftykins | gnome3 changing from gtk or something? | 23:35 |
| nucc1 | no | 23:35 |
| nucc1 | just that gtk2 apps use the clearlooks engine | 23:35 |
| nucc1 | and gtk3 apps use the newer theme | 23:35 |
| daftykins | ah | 23:35 |
| nucc1 | woulda been so cool if they all looked "modern" :) | 23:36 |
| nucc1 | and the terminal seems to have some braindead defaults. | 23:37 |
| nucc1 | like it no longer shows your pwd. | 23:37 |
| nucc1 | and username. | 23:37 |
| daftykins | =/ | 23:37 |
| nucc1 | and i can't see to get tab completion working. | 23:37 |
| daftykins | i struggled with that style at Uni :D so annoying not seeing the wd | 23:37 |
| daftykins | a coursemate fiddled with his bash profile and broke his account, had to ask an admin to reset it :D | 23:37 |
| nucc1 | i'm wondering how to re-enable it. | 23:38 |
| nucc1 | at least i'm admin here :) | 23:38 |
| nucc1 | he he. my current locale is some ANSI thingy. | 23:38 |
| daftykins | the style should be stored in the .bash_profile no? | 23:38 |
| daftykins | i'm probably remembering wrong | 23:38 |
| nucc1 | wierd | 23:38 |
| AlanBell | Evening all | 23:39 |
| daftykins | hi Alan | 23:39 |
| nucc1 | bon soir | 23:39 |
| nucc1 | daftykins: i don't think my brain is in the frame to do any searching :/ | 23:40 |
| daftykins | same, i have shirked all responsibility today | 23:40 |
| nucc1 | empathy is a really shiny irc client though :p | 23:40 |
| nucc1 | can't stop oogling it | 23:40 |
| * AlanBell is a titchiy bit drunk and waiting for an indian with popey and theopensourcerer | 23:41 | |
| nucc1 | he he | 23:41 |
| AlanBell | Chicken rogan josh is here | 23:42 |
| Pendulum | AlanBell: good night then? | 23:44 |
| Pendulum | now you have me tempted to order curry :( | 23:45 |
| * nucc1 shuts his ears | 23:45 | |
| nucc1 | good thing it's midnight :) | 23:45 |
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