[00:15] Just wondering if by any chance anyone used something like Ribbit (www.ribbit.com) for phones? [00:15] I'm particularly interested in the voice message to text feature [05:35] morning everyone [07:09] Having some difficulty getting X to behave. My backlight does not turn on at boot (I have to close my laptop lid and open it again), and my brightness is "stuck" at 100 percent, despite what the /sys/class/backlight files are telling me. I'm running a Gateway NV79 laptop with lspci reporting a "00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 12)" as my graphics chipset and module i91 [07:09] 5 loaded. Any suggestions or further tests to preform? Oh! And my kernel is 2.6.35-28-generic [07:13] anyovdy help with grub2 netbook remix dual boot [07:53] hello all [08:09] morning [08:10] morning kazade === gary is now known as Gary [08:27] Morning earthlings [08:27] IT'S FFFRRRIIIDDDAAAYYY [08:28] yay o/ [08:28] TheOpenSourcerer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0 [08:29] [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu 11.04 Beta 2 Released: Test and Report! - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/04/15/ubuntu-11-04-beta-2-released-test-and-report/ [08:43] Thanks for the appalling tune MartijnVdS ;-) [08:44] Did we all see this? http://falkvinge.net/2011/04/14/european-court-of-justice-to-outlaw-internet-filtering-esp-for-copyright-enforcement/ [08:44] Could be quite important. [08:59] Especially when the Dutch government is trying to introduce a mandatory-filtering bill [08:59] (of copyrighted stuff) [09:20] aloha [09:21] morning czajkowski [09:22] ahoy hoy [09:34] Hello. [09:36] s-fox: good morning [09:36] Hello MooDoo . How are you? [09:36] s-fox: 39 today and at work :( lol [09:36] HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!! [09:36] :) [09:36] thank you :) [09:37] At least it is friday MooDoo [09:37] s-fox: yeah :) might have a few beers this evening :D [09:37] exit [09:37] fail [09:37] lol [09:37] win [09:37] Happy Birthday - just off for a bit :) [09:38] MooDoo: happy birthday you young whippersnapper...oh, my bad, you're actually older than me :) [09:38] danfish: pah! :p [09:38] :) [09:38] :D only by 11 months! [09:38] :) [09:38] my wife is 39 today too, she's older than me by 50 mins :D [09:39] wow [09:39] that is crazy [09:39] s-fox: yup, nice though :) [09:40] MooDoo: so you like older women eh? :) [09:41] MartijnVdS: yup :D lol [09:44] biab [09:46] Happy Friday, everyone! [09:46] JamesTait: Merry Friday to you too! [10:03] * TheOpenSourcerer popey AlanBell (and others) will be here this evening: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farnham_Beer_Exhibition [10:04] TheOpenSourcerer: Only alans allowed? [10:04] We are Alan [10:05] We are Borg [10:06] * Gary nom's on Daviey [10:06] Hi kids :) [10:06] hi daddy! [10:09] Gary: o/ [10:10] remember everyone, shout very loudly in the morning cos the alans will have hangovers ;) [10:10] good morning everyone. [10:10] :) [10:11] danfish: "morning", that's optimistic [10:12] heh [10:12] we can be flexible in our 'morning' definition :) [10:13] danfish: nah, i'll turn up and whisper sweet nothings into popey's ears whilst he is in a hangover coma. [10:13] * danfish applies mind bleach [10:21] danfish: one way of waking up in the morning [10:26] bah, the latest natty updates have broken my neatx install :( [10:34] danfish: how many users do you use with neatx? i was looking at freenx but the free version supports only 2 logins [10:38] oimon: are you sure that's not nomachine nx? FreeNX and neatx have unlimited logins IIRC [10:38] and to answer your original Q - only 1 - me! [10:46] * TheOpenSourcerer wonders where AlanBell is right now. [10:47] * brobostigon points TheOpenSourcerer at google latitude. [10:49] brobostigon: Nice idea but AlanBell doesn't have a "proper" phone anymore... [10:49] danfish: hmm maybe it was nomachine nx i was looking at. would you recommend neatx as stable? i'm looking to provide a remote access solution for a few months for up to 40 users [10:49] TheOpenSourcerer: ah, i see, ohwell. [10:51] heh, AlanBell is listed on my Latitude under "Stale Location" [10:51] oimon: no problems with it here in my limited usings (until the recent natty update!) [10:53] booted up natty on my eee for an update to beta2 and some serious bug reporting, discovered that moving a finger on the trackpad results in X restarting :) [10:58] Your mouse has been moved. Windows must be restarted for the changes to take effect. [10:59] oimon: that's feature, not a bug ;) [10:59] haha [11:00] morning all [11:00] czajkowski: how the back and rash [11:01] ewww [11:02] oimon: you need to follow czajkowski twitter/facebook bad back, rash from the pain killers [11:07] davmor2: i don't think those kind of updates would fit into my strict twitter lists :) [11:11] how long would it take for an ubuntu update to get released to fix a rogue security update that causes gnome-panel to crash randomly and evolution to crash consistently? still waiting for redhat after > 10 days https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=693882 [11:11] bugzilla.redhat.com bug 693882 in glibc "latest glibc update breaks Evolution on RHEL 5.6" [High,New] [11:13] i get the feeling a canonical fix would arrive within 1 day.. [11:14] heh [11:14] optimistic [11:15] considering it affects all desktops? [11:15] i think redhat have given up on the desktop [11:19] what i get when i click the ubuntu icon on my eee: http://i.imgur.com/3xeXj.png a bit "busy", methinks [11:20] Eww [11:20] even pressing super-key gives that result too [11:20] unity2d [11:20] It really does look like it's meant for a touch screen interface [11:21] which is funny because on my android i can touch things that are 10% of the size [11:23] oimon, make sure to file a bug, looks like an obvious bug [11:24] gord: which is the bug? launcher+dash appearing? [11:24] the size problem already exists: bug 749632 [11:24] Launchpad bug 749632 in unity (Ubuntu) "Dash default shortcuts too big for eeepc701 screen" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/749632 [11:28] i think it's all the same bug [11:32] Boo! [11:32] Hiss? [11:32] I have 7 minutes to kill [11:37] time to start scripting [11:39] * popey pokes AlanBell with http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/889/detail/ being a "Part" and not a "Party" [11:40] * popey fixes [11:41] * oimon enjoyed listening to ubuntu fortuens yesterday on uupc [11:41] :) [11:41] thanks oimon [11:42] Aye, that was fun [11:42] i work in east london so it's OK to laugh out loud when walking down the street. it's normal behaviour here [11:43] weeeeeeeeell helloooooo [11:45] i like to listen to the adam and joe show on planes, but with my eyes closed - it looks like i'm sleeping but then i suddenly start laughing. great fun [11:47] :) [11:47] * popey loves Adam & Joe [11:47] gord: the little girl singing the podcast jingle was so sweet [11:47] Shame she chose Trash instead of Rubbish [11:48] i couldn't help but laugh out loud in the office at that girl's present demands [11:50] my lifes goal is to one day, yell stephen at those two. i am sure they will love it if i do that [11:52] gord: how is the drop shadow on the top bar implemented? [11:52] popey, its just a png image file of a drop shadow repeated iirc [11:52] oh [11:52] dear [11:52] problem? [11:52] it causes screencasting apps no end of trouble [11:53] ah no, thats nux/compiz insaneness [11:53] if I video the desktop it looks fine, but playback the video and the shadow is on top of the apps [11:53] so there's a shadow along the top line of the firefox window, on top of it [11:53] how to fix pls? [11:53] gord: http://www.shrani.si/f/9/OT/4gwtNbnJ/troll-face-problem.jpg ? :) [11:54] basically all screencast stuff of unity looks damn awful, graphical glitches everywhere, really no idea how to fix [11:54] yes, i agree [12:01] amber managed an okay one, but she barely did anything during it [12:01] popey: turn off graphics acceleration. oh wait... [12:01] (well, not completely true, but she mostly was showing where to find something) [12:03] found http://www.iloveubuntu.net/easily-disable-unity-panels-drop-shadow-natty-narwhal [12:04] which I may try, but seems odd to replace the shadow png with a transparent png [12:04] would rather just remove it [12:04] (I dont really like any of the drop shadows) [12:05] would be nice to have a ccsm option for transparency of panel shadow [12:05] its too dark for my taste [12:07] * bigcalm feels dirty [12:08] I was listening to the Dubstep tag radio on last.fm. It decided I wanted to hear Britney Spears [12:09] maybe you do [12:09] :S [12:09] did you let it play to the end? [12:09] Can't say that I did [12:10] "Ban" button++ [12:10] Indeed [12:11] Would be nice if Spotify offered a tag like radio play list [12:12] The generes they offer in the Radio section is pitterful [12:21] popey: do you use your kindle less since having an ipad? [12:26] yes [12:26] how can i find a reputable boiler repairman, without a personal recommendation ? [12:28] oimon, If they come to your house on horseback, swinging a lasso - be concerned. [12:28] Hi, how can I delete a partition, I have three at the moment, one is the Netty partition I cant use, the other is Merrkat and the other windows,. How do I get rid of the Natty partition. [12:28] I wonder if I'll use my kindle less once I have the 7" tablet. I doubt it mostly due to the battery life of the Kindle [12:28] bigcalm: did you buy the kogan one? [12:28] oimon: yes [12:28] :( [12:28] why :(? [12:29] looks ok to me [12:29] Hehe, I'm a sucker for geeky stuff [12:29] because deep down, he knows it will suck [12:29] heheheh [12:29] i'm sure it will be great for 12 months [12:29] Well, I could have put that 96 quid towards the mortgage fun instead [12:29] * bigcalm tickles popey with a blended ipad [12:30] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAl28d6tbko [12:31] http://hijinksensue.com/2011/03/11/2-pad-2-furious/ [12:32] bigcalm: i have an ipad but still keep my sony prs 505 for the summer : Outdoor reading impossible on the ipad [12:33] Well, can somebody point me in the right direction, for information I can understand to delete the partition? [12:33] Ipad = Cloud formation to facial optics reflection unit [12:33] scoundrel50: boot with live cd , start Gparted delete partition ? [12:33] ok, thanks [12:34] how do I know which partition it is, is there a number to look out for? [12:35] what are you trying to do? [12:35] and why [12:37] I installed Natty, backlight wont work, cant get it to work. Installed via Update manager, so had to install Meerkat again, and now have three partitions. As I cannot get Natty to work, need to delete it, but dont know how. knightwise just mentioned a way, but I was asking how do I know what the natty partition is. [12:38] I dont want to delete the windows partition [12:40] I have asked on ubuntu+1 quite a few times for help with Natty, nobody seems to be able to help. [12:40] which is why i want rid now [12:43] I'm not sure but: if you're windows partition is mounted in meerkat you could probably run Mount to see what partition number to avoid - anyway you can backup before hand?t [12:43] if you boot in meercat you can do a df [12:43] Windpows was first, then partitined for ubuntu [12:43] what is a df [12:44] df is the disk free command [12:44] I am using meerkat now [12:44] still dont know, [12:44] so do a df -ah [12:44] then check what partitions it says its using [12:44] normally the meercat has not mounted the natty partition (i think) [12:45] you did a standard isntall right ? you didnt make any special partitions for your home directory ? [12:45] pastebin the output of:- [12:45] sudo fdisk -l [12:45] mount [12:46] lsb_release -a [12:46] ^^ scoundrel50 [12:46] hello? Jus [12:47] just looking at the termina, here is the pastebin for that other command http://paste.ubuntu.com/594445/ [12:49] i dist-upgraded to natty last night, and my apps aren't showing up in the unity menu, is there something i need to do? [12:49] nucc1, how do you mean? [12:49] i had to run xchat from the terminal [12:49] i can't find it in the menu, even by searching. [12:49] I have to rebioot a sec, be right back. [12:50] hi. i have ubuntu studio 9.10 and two usb soundcards. when i plug one in, it appears in pulseaudio. when i plug the second one in, it does not. it doesn't matter which order i plug them in. here's /var/log/messages: http://pastebin.me/052dcc9003cca903c754e4039e098106 - any idea what's happening? [12:50] nucc1, hrm interesting. do you have two icons on the bottom of your launcher, one saying Applications and the other saying Files & Folders? [12:51] gord no. [12:51] gord yes [12:51] make your mind up ;) [12:51] but it shows an empty menu [12:51] what happens when you click one? [12:52] hmmm. hard to use the launcher if your primary monitor is on the right hand side. [12:52] it is yeah, but no good solution for that yet [12:52] gord searching from there works [12:52] * DJones debates whether to upgrade to natty, I feel I should, but there seems to have been too many horror stories/reports about it [12:52] DJones, mine's not been a horror. [12:53] popey: what was that command you wanted me to do? [12:53] 12:45:45 < popey> pastebin the output of:- [12:53] 12:45:49 < popey> sudo fdisk -l [12:53] 12:45:50 < popey> mount [12:53] 12:46:00 < popey> lsb_release -a [12:53] gord, hitting that menu seems to have fixed the problem. [12:53] thank you, [12:54] nucc1: hit the windows button to bring up the launcher [12:54] nucc1, wwwwweird, sounds like something got screwed up on your upgrade =\ [12:54] if its hard to hit [12:54] nucc1: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^ [12:54] does that pull in lots of stuff? [12:54] or, rather, does it _want_ to? [12:54] note the ^ is important [12:54] popey, ubuntu-desktop is installed [12:54] did you add the ^ [12:55] popey, no. it looked like a typo :p . it want's to install just 4 new packages. [12:56] evolution-exchange firefox-globalmenu libjack-jackd2-0 and tcl [12:56] popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/594448/ [12:57] anyone? [12:58] decided to watch merry christmas mr bean on my lunch break, excellent idea :D [12:58] feeling like watching RED. [12:58] scoundrel50a: thats not the three commands I asked for [12:58] scoundrel50a: I asked for "mount" too [12:59] popey: sorry, didnt see mount, will do that now [12:59] scoundrel50a: so probably sda7 is your natty install [12:59] at a guess [13:00] Adriannom: sorry I can't help directly but have you tried #ubuntustudio ? [13:00] willy1977, thanks, yes :) [13:01] popey: here is mount http://paste.ubuntu.com/594449/ sorry about that [13:03] popey: does the mount information help any more? [13:03] did you install 10.10 after 11.04? [13:04] yes, because I couldntr get 11.04 to work, and didnt know how to do repair 11.04, so I installed 10.10 [13:04] ok, so /dev/sda5 is your 11.04, /dev/sda7 is your 10.10 [13:05] so boot from a live cd, open gparted, delete /dev/sda5 and /dev/sda6 and then move sda7 down the disk and then resize up the disk [13:06] scoundrel50a: does this mean your wireless problem is fixed in 10.10 ? [13:06] um, ok, I understand the first two instructions, but not the last, can I ask about it when I get to it. I'll start my netbook up and open xchat from there. [13:06] what dont you understand about it? [13:07] you will have removed sda5 and sda6 which will open up a "hole" in your disk space [13:07] move 7 down to the start of that whole [13:07] *hole [13:07] then expand it up to fill the hole [13:07] (you cant expand partitions downwards, but you can move them downwards and expand upwards) [13:07] or just reinstall (it would be faster) [13:07] oimon: yes, I managed it somehow, but I hjave no idea how, I went through all the things I found, but it didnt seem to work then I closed everything dowmn, came back to the laptop a couple of hours late, and it worked, but dont know what it was that got it working. [13:08] and reinstall with manual partitioning, deleting sda5, 6, 7, 8 [13:08] popey: ok, will give it a try [13:08] does all that make sense? [13:09] scoundrel50a: it was probably a reboot after installing the linux wireless modules pacakge [13:09] popey: some of it does, if I get stuck I'll come back. [13:10] have to log off thiws machine, but can log back in on my netbook. brb [13:12] popey: you think 11.06 is enough time to iron out unity bugs? maybe the 11.04 download should have a big notice on the site. 11.10 is a better estimate for squashing the bugs flagged by beta testers. what about the bugs flagged by release users? [13:12] yeah, i reckon so [13:12] get the design wrikles sorted [13:13] just waiting for cd to boot up [13:13] "wrinkles" ? [13:13] and the various bugs fixed [13:13] 11.04 is canonical's KDE4.0, for sure [13:13] no new features, an extended testing period [13:14] i have to move my primary monitor to the right. [13:14] left, rather. [13:15] oimon, the guy that did the compiz version of unity did wonders getting it this far already. [13:15] or the guys [13:15] aye I get that, and people have worked hard etc. I think it's got potential but it's just slowed me down [13:16] so far... [13:16] nucc1: agree, but doesn't mean it's ready. it feels more like we are getting a buggy release in order for real users to iron out bugs. otherwise unity wouldn't be default in natty [13:17] sounds a dangerous approach to things imo [13:18] willy1977: it hurt KDE badly since many users left and haven't returned [13:18] yep, I turned on to linux around that time tried KDE and... well have just made a return :( [13:19] well, i figure people who are smarter than I am are thinking hard about it. [13:19] ok, get a message when I try to delete /dev.sda5/ saying 'unable to delete /dev/sda5! Please unmont any logical partitions having a number higher than 5' what do I do? [13:19] mine is to decide what to use when it is shipped. [13:20] nucc1: absolutely - if they feel it is ready and ignore the beta feedback though... again imo that's not smart... [13:21] /dev/sda6/ has a key next to it [13:23] hence why popey and oimon talking about a extended test period makes sense - my flippant comment is personally I don't think they're just niggles though. Not slating anyone's work here I think what's been done so far is great and has potential (as I've said) but it does need tidying up...? [13:24] sorry to have to askm but fr some reason, I cant delete the partition, would anybody know why? [13:24] willy1977, i've only used unity for about 2 hours so far, but it has been stable for me. [13:24] and this is beta 2. [13:25] if it progresses as far as it has come since beta 1, [13:25] it will likely be strong enough for end of april release. [13:25] all power to them I really hope it does [13:27] personally, i'm about to switch to gnome3 though. i prefer it. [13:28] popey:ok, get a message when I try to delete /dev.sda5/ saying 'unable to delete /dev/sda5! Please unmont any logical partitions having a number higher than 5' what do I do? [13:29] I just have no idea how to get around that, so I'm stuck now [13:30] scoundrel50a: you're definitely running on the LiveCD? [13:30] yes [13:31] I will take a screen shot to show you what I see [13:31] I think the key icon means it's using swap at the moment... [13:31] what can I use to show you a picture [13:31] !imagebin [13:31] Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr] button. Want to show us a screenshot of your problem? Upload an image to http://imagebin.org/?page=add and post a link to it. [13:34] ok, the image address is http://imagebin.org/148350 [13:35] So how can I delete the sda5 partition [13:35] right mouse click sda6 and swapoff [13:36] should get rid of the key and let you remove sda6 [13:36] or rather then should let you get rid of sda5 [13:37] oh, that took the key away, but still cant delete, get that error again [13:39] what does it mean when it says unmount any logical partitions having a number higher than 5 [13:39] scoundrel50a: that you need to unmount sda6, sda7, etc. [13:39] scoundrel50a: before you can change sda5 [13:40] um, ok, [13:41] ok, done that, now I have unallocated space, how do I give that to sda5? [13:42] aren't you trying to keep sda7 ? [13:42] just screwed it up ok [13:43] :/ [13:43] ok, how do I ive it to sda5, then I can install over sda5 [13:43] am I right in thinking gparted will not have commited changes yet? [13:44] if he hasn't hit apply, yes [13:44] dont know [13:44] so scoundrel50a depends if you've hit apply or not as to whether it is actually screwed up or not [13:44] I havent hit apply, just found that button [13:44] 2 operations pending it say [13:45] undid it [13:45] hmmm, is there a weather applet type thingy for unity? [13:46] nucc1, install indicator-weather [13:46] excellent! [13:48] if you're happy reinstalling I'd be inclined to do the install (think popey mentioned this) and starting afresh with manual partitioning [13:48] scoundrel50a: ^^^ [13:48] +1 [13:49] How do I install over both partitions, without installing over windows? [13:49] If somebody could talk me through it, I can do that [13:50] run the installer [13:50] when you get to the partitioning stage, choose manual partitioning [13:50] in the partitioner, delete sda5 through 8 [13:50] create a new / partition and a swap partition, install into them [13:52] you can also look at http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download step 4 - show me how, and in the steps that are then shown look at step 4, there select Specify partitions manually (advanced) then you'll get a gparted screen in which you can make the changes popey was on about. [13:54] deleted,how to create new partition, and swap? [13:56] so you have a block of unallocated now, you should be able to right mouse click on it and create a new partition [13:57] you want to create one which is total free space - 4.5gb type ext4 mounted as / [13:58] then the remaining 4.5g you can right mouse click and createa a swap partition - select swap for type. [14:03] created new partition, sda5, but when I go to install, it says 'no root file system defined, please correct this from the partioning menu' what does that mean? [14:05] you need a partition set as / (root) for everything to work from [14:05] when you create the partition you need to set its mountpoint to / [14:06] I think you can edit it by right mouse clicking the partition you've created... ? [14:09] ok, I have set its mount point to /, but now its talking about not selecting anyt partitions for use as swap space, what is swap space? [14:10] i did say create two partitions [14:10] 13:50:53 < popey> create a new / partition and a swap partition, install into them [14:10] isn't there an option to select the "free space" and for the installer to automatically partition that space? [14:10] but I did ask what that meant, I didnt understand it [14:11] no [14:13] !info racing [14:13] Package racing does not exist in maverick [14:14] !partitions [14:14] For help with partitioning a new install see: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/switching/installing-partitioning.html - For partitioning programs see !GParted, !QtParted (!Kubuntu 8.10 and lower) or !PartitionManager (!Kubuntu 9.04 and up) - Other partitioning topics include !fstab !home and !swap [14:14] ok, reverted back, then uninstalled agfain, leaving a swap spave [14:14] then clicked install, and now its working [14:15] I hope [14:15] that has to be the most confusing and difficult thing I have ever done [14:15] it used to be a lot harder :) [14:16] I dare say when it was harder, it was made easier by the fact you had to read up on it more though [14:17] Its installing.... [14:17] :D [14:18] :D [14:18] swap space can also be used as a file rather than a partition, with no performance hit AFAIK [14:18] bet the wifi and touchpad wont work again, you watch [14:18] half way through [14:18] oimon: don't start this convo again ;/ [14:19] hamitron: wasn't here last time :( [14:19] ah :D [14:19] did it get messy? [14:19] what conversation is this then... [14:19] about what and where swap should be [14:20] oh flippin' eck yeah that did get messy :D [14:20] I have since thought of another reason to have a seperate partition though [14:20] i forgot to add swap space after my last disk swap [14:20] no biggie [14:22] * oimon has run out of crisps. if the world ends today, you can blame me [14:22] popey: !partitions is pointing to something very out of date [14:28] ok, its rebooting [14:33] ok, what difference would it make if swap came after the ubuntu partion? [14:33] I coldnt find a way to move it [14:33] not much difference [14:33] ok [14:33] only gets in the way if you want to expand a partition [14:34] so you can delete it, grow the partition, create new swap [14:34] no big deal [14:34] just check in fstab for uuids not matching [14:34] I doubt very much I will be fiddling with that again, so it should be ok the way it is, [14:35] how do I do that? [14:35] waiting for updates to install at the moment, asthe [14:35] i used to moan about gwibber...hotot is using 271mb resident memory..more than my 20+ Openoffice windows [14:35] as the wireless isnt working again [14:36] what is uuids [14:36] scoundrel50a: install the package i mentioned yesterday [14:36] doing that now [14:36] but at least the touchpad is working [15:01] ping popey and AlanBell [15:01] o/ [15:01] What time are we meeting this evening? [15:01] I'm probably going to walk down there and get to the Cobbet for 6:30 ish or so. [15:02] filace should be in the lamb from 6ish [15:02]