[00:15] <JGJones> Just wondering if by any chance anyone used something like Ribbit (www.ribbit.com) for phones?
[00:15] <JGJones> I'm particularly interested in the voice message to text feature
[05:35] <knightwise> morning everyone
[07:09] <Ansikt>  Having some difficulty getting X to behave.  My backlight does not turn on at boot (I have to close my laptop lid and open it again), and my brightness is "stuck" at 100 percent, despite what the /sys/class/backlight files are telling me.  I'm running a Gateway NV79 laptop with lspci reporting a "00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 12)" as my graphics chipset and module i91
[07:09] <Ansikt> 5 loaded.  Any suggestions or further tests to preform?  Oh!  And my kernel is 2.6.35-28-generic
[07:13] <UbuntuN00b> anyovdy help with grub2 netbook remix dual boot
[07:53] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:09] <kazade> morning
[08:10] <MooDoo> morning kazade
[08:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning earthlings
[08:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> IT'S FFFRRRIIIDDDAAAYYY
[08:28] <MooDoo> yay o/
[08:28] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0
[08:29] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu 11.04 Beta 2 Released: Test and Report! - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/04/15/ubuntu-11-04-beta-2-released-test-and-report/
[08:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> Thanks for the appalling tune MartijnVdS ;-)
[08:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> Did we all see this? http://falkvinge.net/2011/04/14/european-court-of-justice-to-outlaw-internet-filtering-esp-for-copyright-enforcement/
[08:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> Could be quite important.
[08:59] <MartijnVdS> Especially when the Dutch government is trying to introduce a mandatory-filtering bill
[08:59] <MartijnVdS> (of copyrighted stuff)
[09:20] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:21] <MooDoo> morning czajkowski
[09:22] <gord> ahoy hoy
[09:34] <s-fox> Hello.
[09:36] <MooDoo> s-fox: good morning
[09:36] <s-fox> Hello MooDoo . How are you?
[09:36] <MooDoo> s-fox: 39 today and at work :( lol
[09:36] <s-fox> HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!
[09:36] <s-fox> :)
[09:36] <MooDoo> thank you  :)
[09:37] <s-fox> At least it is friday MooDoo
[09:37] <MooDoo> s-fox: yeah :)   might have a few beers this evening :D
[09:37] <willy1977> exit
[09:37] <willy1977> fail
[09:37] <MooDoo> lol
[09:37] <s-fox> win
[09:37] <willy1977> Happy Birthday - just off for a bit :)
[09:38] <danfish> MooDoo: happy birthday you young whippersnapper...oh, my bad, you're actually older than me :)
[09:38] <MooDoo> danfish: pah! :p
[09:38] <MooDoo> :)
[09:38] <danfish> :D only by 11 months!
[09:38] <MooDoo> :)
[09:38] <MooDoo> my wife is 39 today too, she's older than me by 50 mins :D
[09:39] <s-fox> wow
[09:39] <s-fox> that is crazy
[09:39] <MooDoo> s-fox: yup, nice though :)
[09:40] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: so you like older women eh? :)
[09:41] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: yup :D lol
[09:44] <s-fox> biab
[09:46] <JamesTait> Happy Friday, everyone!
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: Merry Friday to you too!
[10:03]  * TheOpenSourcerer popey AlanBell (and others) will be here this evening: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farnham_Beer_Exhibition
[10:04] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: Only alans allowed?
[10:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> We are Alan
[10:05] <Daviey> We are Borg
[10:06]  * Gary nom's on Daviey 
[10:06] <bigcalm> Hi kids :)
[10:06] <Gary> hi daddy!
[10:09] <Daviey> Gary: o/
[10:10] <danfish> remember everyone, shout very loudly in the morning cos the alans will have hangovers ;)
[10:10] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:10] <brobostigon> :)
[10:11] <popey> danfish: "morning", that's optimistic
[10:12] <danfish> heh
[10:12] <danfish> we can be flexible in our 'morning' definition :)
[10:13] <Daviey> danfish: nah, i'll turn up and whisper sweet nothings into popey's ears whilst he is in a hangover coma.
[10:13]  * danfish applies mind bleach
[10:21] <bigcalm> danfish: one way of waking up in the morning
[10:26] <danfish> bah, the latest natty updates have broken my neatx install :(
[10:34] <oimon> danfish: how many users do you use with neatx? i was looking at freenx but the free version supports only 2 logins
[10:38] <danfish> oimon: are you sure that's not nomachine nx? FreeNX and neatx have unlimited logins IIRC
[10:38] <danfish> and to answer your original Q - only 1 - me!
[10:46]  * TheOpenSourcerer wonders where AlanBell is right now.
[10:47]  * brobostigon points TheOpenSourcerer at google latitude.
[10:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> brobostigon: Nice idea but AlanBell doesn't have a "proper" phone anymore...
[10:49] <oimon> danfish: hmm maybe it was nomachine nx i was looking at. would you recommend neatx as stable? i'm looking to provide a remote access solution for a few months for up to 40 users
[10:49] <brobostigon> TheOpenSourcerer: ah, i see, ohwell.
[10:51] <popey> heh, AlanBell is listed on my Latitude under "Stale Location"
[10:51] <danfish> oimon: no problems with it here in my limited usings (until the recent natty update!)
[10:53] <oimon> booted up natty on my eee for an update to beta2 and some serious bug reporting, discovered that moving a finger on the trackpad results in X restarting :)
[10:58] <bigcalm> Your mouse has been moved. Windows must be restarted for the changes to take effect.
[10:59] <danfish> oimon: that's feature, not a bug ;)
[10:59] <popey> haha
[11:00] <davmor2> morning all
[11:00] <davmor2> czajkowski: how the back and rash
[11:01] <oimon> ewww
[11:02] <davmor2> oimon: you need to follow czajkowski twitter/facebook bad back, rash from the pain killers
[11:07] <oimon> davmor2: i don't think those kind of updates would fit into my strict twitter lists :)
[11:11] <oimon> how long would it take for an ubuntu update to get released to fix a rogue security update that causes gnome-panel to crash randomly and evolution to crash consistently? still waiting for redhat after > 10 days https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=693882
[11:13] <oimon> i get the feeling a canonical fix would arrive within 1 day..
[11:14] <popey> heh
[11:14] <popey> optimistic
[11:15] <oimon> considering it affects all desktops?
[11:15] <oimon> i think redhat have given up on the desktop
[11:19] <oimon> what i get when i click the ubuntu icon on my eee: http://i.imgur.com/3xeXj.png a bit "busy", methinks
[11:20] <bigcalm> Eww
[11:20] <oimon> even pressing super-key gives that result too
[11:20] <oimon> unity2d
[11:20] <bigcalm> It really does look like it's meant for a touch screen interface
[11:21] <oimon> which is funny because on my android i can touch things that are 10% of the size
[11:23] <gord> oimon, make sure to file a bug, looks like an obvious bug
[11:24] <oimon> gord: which is the bug? launcher+dash appearing?
[11:24] <oimon> the size problem already exists: bug 749632
[11:28] <oimon> i think it's all the same bug
[11:32] <PalaPad_> Boo!
[11:32] <bigcalm> Hiss?
[11:32] <PalaPad_> I have 7 minutes to kill
[11:37] <dwatkins> time to start scripting
[11:39]  * popey pokes AlanBell with http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/889/detail/ being a "Part" and not a "Party"
[11:40]  * popey fixes
[11:41]  * oimon enjoyed listening to ubuntu fortuens yesterday on uupc
[11:41] <popey> :)
[11:41] <popey> thanks oimon
[11:42] <bigcalm> Aye, that was fun
[11:42] <oimon> i work in east london so it's OK to laugh out loud when walking down the street. it's normal behaviour here
[11:43] <Laney> weeeeeeeeell helloooooo
[11:45] <gord> i like to listen to the adam and joe show on planes, but with my eyes closed - it looks like i'm sleeping but then i suddenly start laughing. great fun
[11:47] <popey> :)
[11:47]  * popey loves Adam & Joe
[11:47] <bigcalm> gord: the little girl singing the podcast jingle was so sweet
[11:47] <bigcalm> Shame she chose Trash instead of Rubbish
[11:48] <Laney> i couldn't help but laugh out loud in the office at that girl's present demands
[11:50] <gord> my lifes goal is to one day, yell stephen at those two. i am sure they will love it if i do that
[11:52] <popey> gord: how is the drop shadow on the top bar implemented?
[11:52] <gord> popey, its just a png image file of a drop shadow repeated iirc
[11:52] <popey> oh
[11:52] <popey> dear
[11:52] <gord> problem?
[11:52] <popey> it causes screencasting apps no end of trouble
[11:53] <gord> ah no, thats nux/compiz insaneness
[11:53] <popey> if I video the desktop it looks fine, but playback the video and the shadow is on top of the apps
[11:53] <popey> so there's a shadow along the top line of the firefox window, on top of it
[11:53] <popey> how to fix pls?
[11:53] <MartijnVdS> gord: http://www.shrani.si/f/9/OT/4gwtNbnJ/troll-face-problem.jpg ? :)
[11:54] <gord> basically all screencast stuff of unity looks damn awful, graphical glitches everywhere, really no idea how to fix
[11:54] <popey> yes, i agree
[12:01] <Pendulum> amber managed an okay one, but she barely did anything during it
[12:01] <ali1234> popey: turn off graphics acceleration. oh wait...
[12:01] <Pendulum> (well, not completely true, but she mostly was showing where to find something)
[12:03] <popey> found http://www.iloveubuntu.net/easily-disable-unity-panels-drop-shadow-natty-narwhal
[12:04] <popey> which I may try, but seems odd to replace the shadow png with a transparent png
[12:04] <popey> would rather just remove it
[12:04] <popey> (I dont really like any of the drop shadows)
[12:05] <gord> would be nice to have a ccsm option for transparency of panel shadow
[12:05] <gord> its too dark for my taste
[12:07]  * bigcalm feels dirty
[12:08] <bigcalm> I was listening to the Dubstep tag radio on last.fm. It decided I wanted to hear Britney Spears
[12:09] <gord> maybe you do
[12:09] <bigcalm> :S
[12:09] <Laney> did you let it play to the end?
[12:09] <bigcalm> Can't say that I did
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> "Ban" button++
[12:10] <bigcalm> Indeed
[12:11] <bigcalm> Would be nice if Spotify offered a tag like radio play list
[12:12] <bigcalm> The generes they offer in the Radio section is pitterful
[12:21] <bigcalm> popey: do you use your kindle less since having an ipad?
[12:26] <popey> yes
[12:26] <oimon> how can i find a reputable boiler repairman, without a personal recommendation ?
[12:28] <Daviey> oimon, If they come to your house on horseback, swinging a lasso - be concerned.
[12:28] <scoundrel50> Hi, how can I delete a partition, I have three at the moment, one is the Netty partition I cant use, the other is Merrkat and the other windows,. How do I get rid of the Natty partition.
[12:28] <bigcalm> I wonder if I'll use my kindle less once I have the 7" tablet. I doubt it mostly due to the battery life of the Kindle
[12:28] <oimon> bigcalm: did you buy the kogan one?
[12:28] <bigcalm> oimon: yes
[12:28] <bigcalm> :(
[12:28] <oimon> why :(?
[12:29] <oimon> looks ok to me
[12:29] <bigcalm> Hehe, I'm a sucker for geeky stuff
[12:29] <popey> because deep down, he knows it will suck
[12:29] <oimon> heheheh
[12:29] <oimon> i'm sure it will be great for 12 months
[12:29] <bigcalm> Well, I could have put that 96 quid towards the mortgage fun instead
[12:29]  * bigcalm tickles popey with a blended ipad
[12:30] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAl28d6tbko
[12:31] <bigcalm> http://hijinksensue.com/2011/03/11/2-pad-2-furious/
[12:32] <knightwise> bigcalm:  i have an ipad but still keep my sony prs 505 for the summer : Outdoor reading impossible on the ipad
[12:33] <scoundrel50> Well, can somebody point me in the right direction, for information I can understand to delete the partition?
[12:33] <knightwise> Ipad = Cloud formation to facial optics reflection unit
[12:33] <knightwise> scoundrel50: boot with live cd , start Gparted delete partition ?
[12:33] <scoundrel50> ok, thanks
[12:34] <scoundrel50> how do I know which partition it is, is there a number to look out for?
[12:35] <popey> what are you trying to do?
[12:35] <popey> and why
[12:37] <scoundrel50> I installed Natty, backlight wont work, cant get it to work. Installed via Update manager, so had to install Meerkat again, and now have three partitions. As I cannot get Natty to work, need to delete it, but dont know how. knightwise just mentioned a way, but I was asking how do I know what the natty partition is.
[12:38] <scoundrel50> I dont want to delete the windows partition
[12:40] <scoundrel50> I have asked on ubuntu+1 quite a few times for help with Natty, nobody seems to be able to help.
[12:40] <scoundrel50> which is why i want rid now
[12:43] <willy1977> I'm not sure but: if you're windows partition is mounted in meerkat you could probably run Mount to see what partition number to avoid - anyway you can backup before hand?t
[12:43] <knightwise> if you boot in meercat you can do a df
[12:43] <scoundrel50> Windpows was first, then partitined for ubuntu
[12:43] <scoundrel50> what is a df
[12:44] <knightwise> df is the disk free command
[12:44] <scoundrel50> I am using meerkat now
[12:44] <scoundrel50> still dont know,
[12:44] <knightwise> so do a df -ah
[12:44] <knightwise> then check what partitions it says its using
[12:44] <knightwise> normally the meercat has not mounted the natty partition (i think)
[12:45] <knightwise> you did a standard isntall right ? you didnt make any special partitions for your home directory ?
[12:45] <popey> pastebin the output of:-
[12:45] <popey> sudo fdisk -l
[12:45] <popey> mount
[12:46] <popey> lsb_release -a
[12:46] <popey> ^^ scoundrel50
[12:46] <scoundrel50> hello? Jus
[12:47] <scoundrel50> just looking at the termina, here is the pastebin for that other command http://paste.ubuntu.com/594445/
[12:49] <nucc1> i dist-upgraded to natty last night, and my apps aren't showing up in the unity menu, is there something i need to do?
[12:49] <gord> nucc1, how do you mean?
[12:49] <nucc1> i had to run xchat from the terminal
[12:49] <nucc1> i can't find it in the menu, even by searching.
[12:49] <scoundrel50> I have to rebioot a sec, be right back.
[12:50] <Adriannom> hi.  i have ubuntu studio 9.10 and two usb soundcards.  when i plug one in, it appears in pulseaudio.  when i plug the second one in, it does not.  it doesn't matter which order i plug them in.  here's /var/log/messages: http://pastebin.me/052dcc9003cca903c754e4039e098106 - any idea what's happening?
[12:50] <gord> nucc1, hrm interesting. do you have two icons on the bottom of your launcher, one saying Applications and the other saying Files & Folders?
[12:51] <nucc1> gord no.
[12:51] <nucc1> gord yes
[12:51] <gord> make your mind up ;)
[12:51] <nucc1> but it shows an empty menu
[12:51] <gord> what happens when you click one?
[12:52] <nucc1> hmmm. hard to use the launcher if your primary monitor is on the right hand side.
[12:52] <gord> it is yeah, but no good solution for that yet
[12:52] <nucc1> gord searching from there works
[12:52]  * DJones debates whether to upgrade to natty, I feel I should, but there seems to have been too many horror stories/reports about it
[12:52] <nucc1> DJones, mine's not been a horror.
[12:53] <scoundrel50a> popey: what was that command you wanted me to do?
[12:53] <popey> 12:45:45 < popey> pastebin the output of:-
[12:53] <popey> 12:45:49 < popey> sudo fdisk -l
[12:53] <popey> 12:45:50 < popey> mount
[12:53] <popey> 12:46:00 < popey> lsb_release -a
[12:53] <nucc1> gord, hitting that menu seems to have fixed the problem.
[12:53] <scoundrel50a> thank you,
[12:54] <popey> nucc1: hit the windows button to bring up the launcher
[12:54] <gord> nucc1, wwwwweird, sounds like something got screwed up on your upgrade =\
[12:54] <popey> if its hard to hit
[12:54] <popey> nucc1: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^
[12:54] <popey> does that pull in lots of stuff?
[12:54] <popey> or, rather, does it _want_ to?
[12:54] <popey> note the ^ is important
[12:54] <nucc1> popey, ubuntu-desktop is installed
[12:54] <popey> did you add the ^
[12:55] <nucc1> popey, no. it looked like a typo :p . it want's to install just 4 new packages.
[12:56] <nucc1> evolution-exchange firefox-globalmenu libjack-jackd2-0 and tcl
[12:56] <scoundrel50a> popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/594448/
[12:57] <Adriannom> anyone?
[12:58] <gord> decided to watch merry christmas mr bean on my lunch break, excellent idea :D
[12:58] <nucc1> feeling like watching RED.
[12:58] <popey> scoundrel50a: thats not the three commands I asked for
[12:58] <popey> scoundrel50a: I asked for "mount" too
[12:59] <scoundrel50a> popey: sorry, didnt see mount, will do that now
[12:59] <popey> scoundrel50a: so probably sda7 is your natty install
[12:59] <popey> at a guess
[13:00] <willy1977> Adriannom: sorry I can't help directly but have you tried #ubuntustudio ?
[13:00] <Adriannom> willy1977, thanks, yes :)
[13:01] <scoundrel50a> popey: here is mount http://paste.ubuntu.com/594449/ sorry about that
[13:03] <scoundrel50a> popey: does the mount information help any more?
[13:03] <popey> did you install 10.10 after 11.04?
[13:04] <scoundrel50a> yes, because I couldntr get 11.04 to work, and didnt know how to do repair 11.04, so I installed 10.10
[13:04] <popey> ok, so /dev/sda5 is your 11.04, /dev/sda7 is your 10.10
[13:05] <popey> so boot from a live cd, open gparted, delete /dev/sda5 and /dev/sda6 and then move sda7 down the disk and then resize up the disk
[13:06] <oimon> scoundrel50a: does this mean your wireless problem is fixed in 10.10 ?
[13:06] <scoundrel50a> um, ok, I understand the first two instructions, but not the last, can I ask about it when I get to it. I'll start my netbook up and open xchat from there.
[13:06] <popey> what dont you understand about it?
[13:07] <popey> you will have removed sda5 and sda6 which will open up a "hole" in your disk space
[13:07] <popey> move 7 down to the start of that whole
[13:07] <popey> *hole
[13:07] <popey> then expand it up to fill the hole
[13:07] <popey> (you cant expand partitions downwards, but you can move them downwards and expand upwards)
[13:07] <popey> or just reinstall (it would be faster)
[13:07] <scoundrel50a> oimon: yes, I managed it somehow, but I hjave no idea how, I went through all the things I found, but it didnt seem to work then I closed everything dowmn, came back to the laptop a couple of hours late, and it worked, but dont know what it was that got it working.
[13:08] <popey> and reinstall with manual partitioning, deleting sda5, 6, 7, 8
[13:08] <scoundrel50a> popey: ok, will give it a try
[13:08] <popey> does all that make sense?
[13:09] <oimon> scoundrel50a: it was probably a reboot after installing the linux wireless modules pacakge
[13:09] <scoundrel50a> popey: some of it does, if I get stuck I'll come back.
[13:10] <scoundrel50a> have to log off thiws machine, but can log back in on my netbook. brb
[13:12] <oimon> popey: you think 11.06 is enough time to iron out unity bugs? maybe the 11.04 download should have a big notice on  the site. 11.10 is a better estimate for squashing the bugs flagged by beta testers. what about the bugs flagged by release users?
[13:12] <popey> yeah, i reckon so
[13:12] <popey> get the design wrikles sorted
[13:13] <scoundrel50a> just waiting for cd to boot up
[13:13] <willy1977> "wrinkles" ?
[13:13] <popey> and the various bugs fixed
[13:13] <oimon> 11.04 is canonical's KDE4.0, for sure
[13:13] <popey> no new features, an extended testing period
[13:14] <nucc1> i have to move my primary monitor to the right.
[13:14] <nucc1> left, rather.
[13:15] <nucc1> oimon, the guy that did the compiz version of unity did wonders getting it this far already.
[13:15] <nucc1> or the guys
[13:15] <willy1977> aye I get that, and people have worked hard etc. I think it's got potential but it's just slowed me down
[13:16] <willy1977> so far...
[13:16] <oimon> nucc1: agree, but doesn't mean it's ready. it feels more like we are getting a buggy release in order for real users to iron out bugs. otherwise unity wouldn't be default in natty
[13:17] <willy1977> sounds a dangerous approach to things imo
[13:18] <oimon> willy1977: it hurt KDE badly since many users left and haven't returned
[13:18] <willy1977> yep, I turned on to linux around that time tried KDE and... well have just made a return :(
[13:19] <nucc1> well, i figure people who are smarter than I am are thinking hard about it.
[13:19] <scoundrel50a> ok, get a message when I try to delete /dev.sda5/ saying 'unable to delete /dev/sda5! Please unmont any logical partitions having a number higher than 5' what do I do?
[13:19] <nucc1> mine is to decide what to use when it is shipped.
[13:20] <willy1977> nucc1: absolutely - if they feel it is ready and ignore the beta feedback though... again imo that's not smart...
[13:21] <scoundrel50a> /dev/sda6/ has a key next to it
[13:23] <willy1977> hence why popey and oimon talking about a extended test period makes sense - my flippant comment is personally I don't think they're just niggles though.  Not slating anyone's work here I think what's been done so far is great and has potential (as I've said) but it does need tidying up...?
[13:24] <scoundrel50a> sorry to have to askm but fr some reason, I cant delete the partition, would anybody know why?
[13:24] <nucc1> willy1977, i've only used unity for about 2 hours so far, but it has been stable for me.
[13:24] <nucc1> and this is beta 2.
[13:25] <nucc1> if it progresses as far as it has come since beta 1,
[13:25] <nucc1> it will likely be strong enough for end of april release.
[13:25] <willy1977> all power to them I really hope it does
[13:27] <nucc1> personally, i'm about to switch to gnome3 though. i prefer it.
[13:28] <scoundrel50a> popey:ok, get a message when I try to delete /dev.sda5/ saying 'unable to delete /dev/sda5! Please unmont any logical partitions having a number higher than 5' what do I do?
[13:29] <scoundrel50a> I just have no idea how to get around that, so I'm stuck now
[13:30] <willy1977> scoundrel50a: you're definitely running on the LiveCD?
[13:30] <scoundrel50a> yes
[13:31] <scoundrel50a> I will take a screen shot to show you what I see
[13:31] <willy1977> I think the key icon means it's using swap at the moment...
[13:31] <scoundrel50a> what can I use to show you a picture
[13:31] <DJones> !imagebin
[13:34] <scoundrel50a> ok, the image address is http://imagebin.org/148350
[13:35] <scoundrel50a> So how can I delete the sda5 partition
[13:35] <willy1977> right mouse click sda6 and swapoff
[13:36] <willy1977> should get rid of the key and let you remove sda6
[13:36] <willy1977> or rather then should let you get rid of sda5
[13:37] <scoundrel50a> oh, that took the key away, but still cant delete, get that error again
[13:39] <scoundrel50a> what does it mean when it says unmount any logical partitions having a number higher than 5
[13:39] <MartijnVdS> scoundrel50a: that you need to unmount sda6, sda7, etc.
[13:39] <MartijnVdS> scoundrel50a: before you can change sda5
[13:40] <scoundrel50a> um, ok,
[13:41] <scoundrel50a> ok, done that, now I have unallocated space, how do I give that to sda5?
[13:42] <willy1977> aren't you trying to keep sda7 ?
[13:42] <scoundrel50a> just screwed it up ok
[13:43] <willy1977> :/
[13:43] <scoundrel50a> ok, how do I ive it to sda5, then I can install over sda5
[13:43] <willy1977> am I right in thinking gparted will not have commited changes yet?
[13:44] <popey> if he hasn't hit apply, yes
[13:44] <scoundrel50a> dont know
[13:44] <willy1977> so scoundrel50a depends if you've hit apply or not as to whether it is actually screwed up or not
[13:44] <scoundrel50a> I havent hit apply, just found that button
[13:44] <scoundrel50a> 2 operations pending it say
[13:45] <scoundrel50a> undid it
[13:45] <nucc1> hmmm, is there a weather applet type thingy for unity?
[13:46] <gord> nucc1, install indicator-weather
[13:46] <nucc1> excellent!
[13:48] <willy1977> if you're happy reinstalling I'd be inclined to do the install (think popey mentioned this) and starting afresh with manual partitioning
[13:48] <willy1977> scoundrel50a: ^^^
[13:48] <popey> +1
[13:49] <scoundrel50a> How do I install over both partitions, without installing over windows?
[13:49] <scoundrel50a> If somebody could talk me through it, I can do that
[13:50] <popey> run the installer
[13:50] <popey> when you get to the partitioning stage, choose manual partitioning
[13:50] <popey> in the partitioner, delete sda5 through 8
[13:50] <popey> create a new / partition and a swap partition, install into them
[13:52] <willy1977> you can also look at http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download step 4 - show me how, and in the steps that are then shown look at step 4, there select Specify partitions manually (advanced) then you'll get a gparted screen in which you can make the changes popey was on about.
[13:54] <scoundrel50a> deleted,how to create new partition, and swap?
[13:56] <willy1977> so you have a block of unallocated now, you should be able to right mouse click on it and create a new partition
[13:57] <willy1977> you want to create one which is total free space - 4.5gb type ext4 mounted as /
[13:58] <willy1977> then the remaining 4.5g you can right mouse click and createa a swap partition - select swap for type.
[14:03] <scoundrel50a> created new partition, sda5, but when I go to install, it says 'no root file system defined, please correct this from the partioning menu' what does that mean?
[14:05] <hamitron> you need a partition set as / (root) for everything to work from
[14:05] <willy1977> when you create the partition you need to set its mountpoint to /
[14:06] <willy1977> I think you can edit it by right mouse clicking the partition you've created... ?
[14:09] <scoundrel50a> ok, I have set its mount point to /, but now its talking about not selecting anyt partitions for use as swap space, what is swap space?
[14:10] <popey> i did say create two partitions
[14:10] <popey> 13:50:53 < popey> create a new / partition and a swap partition, install into them
[14:10] <hamitron> isn't there an option to select the "free space" and for the installer to automatically partition that space?
[14:10] <scoundrel50a> but I did ask what that meant, I didnt understand it
[14:11] <scoundrel50a> no
[14:13] <hamitron> !info racing
[14:14] <hamitron> !partitions
[14:14] <scoundrel50a> ok, reverted back, then uninstalled agfain, leaving a swap spave
[14:14] <scoundrel50a> then clicked install, and now its working
[14:15] <scoundrel50a> I hope
[14:15] <scoundrel50a> that has to be the most confusing and difficult thing I have ever done
[14:15] <hamitron> it used to be a lot harder :)
[14:16] <hamitron> I dare say when it was harder, it was made easier by the fact you had to read up on it more though
[14:17] <scoundrel50a> Its installing....
[14:17] <oimon> :D
[14:18] <hamitron> :D
[14:18] <oimon> swap space can also be used as a file rather than a partition, with no performance hit AFAIK
[14:18] <scoundrel50a> bet the wifi and touchpad wont work again, you watch
[14:18] <scoundrel50a> half way through
[14:18] <hamitron> oimon: don't start this convo again ;/
[14:19] <oimon> hamitron: wasn't here last time :(
[14:19] <hamitron> ah :D
[14:19] <oimon> did it get messy?
[14:19] <willy1977> what conversation is this then...
[14:19] <hamitron> about what and where swap should be
[14:20] <willy1977> oh flippin' eck yeah that did get messy :D
[14:20] <hamitron> I have since thought of another reason to have a seperate partition though
[14:20] <oimon> i forgot to add swap space after my last disk swap
[14:20] <oimon> no biggie
[14:22]  * oimon has run out of crisps. if the world ends today, you can blame me
[14:22] <hamitron> popey: !partitions is pointing to something very out of date
[14:28] <scoundrel50a> ok, its rebooting
[14:33] <scoundrel50a> ok, what difference would it make if swap came after the ubuntu partion?
[14:33] <scoundrel50a> I coldnt find a way to move it
[14:33] <AlanBell> not much difference
[14:33] <scoundrel50a> ok
[14:33] <AlanBell> only gets in the way if you want to expand a partition
[14:34] <AlanBell> so you can delete it, grow the partition, create new swap
[14:34] <AlanBell> no big deal
[14:34] <AlanBell> just check in fstab for uuids not matching
[14:34] <scoundrel50a> I doubt very much I will be fiddling with that again, so it should be ok the way it is,
[14:35] <scoundrel50a> how do I do that?
[14:35] <scoundrel50a> waiting for updates to install at the moment, asthe
[14:35] <oimon> i used to moan about gwibber...hotot is using 271mb resident memory..more than my 20+ Openoffice windows
[14:35] <scoundrel50a> as the wireless isnt working again
[14:36] <scoundrel50a> what is uuids
[14:36] <oimon> scoundrel50a: install the package i mentioned yesterday
[14:36] <scoundrel50a> doing that now
[14:36] <scoundrel50a> but at least the touchpad is working
[15:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> ping popey and AlanBell
[15:01] <AlanBell> o/
[15:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> What time are we meeting this evening?
[15:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'm probably going to walk down there and get to the Cobbet for 6:30 ish or so.
[15:02] <AlanBell> filace should be in the lamb from 6ish
[15:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ahh - who is filace? Do I know him/her
[15:02] <AlanBell> big lad, hangs about with czajkowski :)
[15:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ahh that one.
[15:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> What's his name... The bloke who sounds just like lee mack
[15:03] <AlanBell> @filace on twitter and irc
[15:03] <AlanBell> Jon Fautley
[15:04] <AlanBell> actually Filbert on IRC
[15:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yep - just found him on twitter.
[15:07] <HazRPG> AlanBell: ah, oops sorry I missed the meeting last night dude - was swamped with work
[15:07] <AlanBell> never mind, we all kind of forgot
[15:07] <HazRPG> as biglesp said, the group is sort of coming back to life, and I did email them straight after
[15:08]  * AlanBell wonders if http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/889/detail/ will fill up as fast as oggcamp
[15:08] <HazRPG> I think there's a meet for Cumbria LUG soon in fact
[15:08]  * AlanBell suspects not
[15:08] <AlanBell> http://oggcamp11.eventbrite.com/ 10 remaining!
[15:08] <DJones> \o/ Natty upgrade sucessfully completed
[15:10] <Pendulum> AlanBell: how is it that Jan Fautley is attending, but czajkowski isn't?
[15:10] <HazRPG> I would go to oggcamp... but surrey is just wayyyyyyyyy to far for me
[15:10] <AlanBell> she is broken :(
[15:10] <HazRPG> esp if I'm going on my own
[15:10] <Pendulum> AlanBell: also, aren't you worried that he'll spy? ;-)
[15:10] <AlanBell> s/Jan/Jon/
[15:10] <Pendulum> yeah
[15:10] <Pendulum> that was finger fail
[15:11] <AlanBell> I think he will spy lots of beer
[15:11] <HazRPG> ;p
[15:11] <czajkowski> Aloha
[15:11] <AlanBell> o/
[15:12] <HazRPG> I'll read more on the meeting notes later
[15:12] <czajkowski> Pendulum: what's jon going to that I'm not
[15:13] <davmor2> czajkowski: how's the back and rash kiddo
[15:13] <Pendulum> czajkowski: he's confirmed attending http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/889/detail/
[15:13] <popey> HazRPG: where are you based?
[15:13] <czajkowski> wow and I didnt even mention it to him
[15:13] <czajkowski> :)
[15:13] <AlanBell> oh that
[15:14] <czajkowski> davmor2: rash gone
[15:14] <czajkowski> back a good bit better thanks
[15:14] <HazRPG> popey: Carlisle/Cumbria area
[15:14] <Tommeh> You wait, he'll turn up with a bomb that says 'RPM FOREVER!!'
[15:14] <AlanBell> Pendulum: I thought you were talking about the beerex
[15:14] <popey> HazRPG: one guy is coming from france :)
[15:14] <popey> AlanBell: TheOpenSourcerer I will be at the lamb for 6-6:30
[15:14] <Pendulum> AlanBell: haha. no
[15:14] <HazRPG> popey: no way
[15:14] <HazRPG> popey: hmm
[15:14] <popey> yws
[15:14] <popey> er
[15:14] <popey> way
[15:14] <Pendulum> popey: No`?
[15:15] <AlanBell> he is making a habit of going to events without czajkowski then!
[15:15] <HazRPG> when I said too far, I meant too expensive for my pocket :P
[15:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> Cool popey - I will see you there.
[15:15] <HazRPG> if I could get a car load down, it would be worth my while :)
[15:16] <davmor2> czajkowski: good I'm glad to hear it,  soon be fighting fit again then :)
[15:16] <czajkowski> davmor2: aye
[15:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: I'll probably be walking past your door at about 17:45... Should I knock and the run away ;-)
[15:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> /the/then
[15:16] <Pendulum> TheOpenSourcerer: why warn him?
[15:17]  * oimon ponders oggcamp
[15:17] <AlanBell> good idea, we can both run down to the pub
[15:17] <davmor2> czajkowski: fantastic, I can't tell you how hard it's been not picking on you :P
[15:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hmm, not sure about the "running" bit.
[15:18] <AlanBell> heh
[15:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> Haven't done that in years
[15:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> decades even
[15:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> Apart from the odd dash for last orders you understand
[15:18] <czajkowski> davmor2: :)
[15:19] <oimon> are the oggcamp 2010 videos available yet ;)
[15:19] <AlanBell> http://twitter.com/#!/talkoss nope
[15:20] <oimon> ummm maybe he needs some croudsourcing
[15:20] <marxjohnson> https://teambox.com/public/ogg-camp
[15:21] <marxjohnson> That's the "to-do" list apparently ;-)
[15:21] <AlanBell> yeah, I suggested they just give the presenters the raw video and let them get on with it
[15:21] <AlanBell> they said . . .
[15:21] <oimon> ...
[15:21] <oimon> great idea?
[15:21] <AlanBell> Our video editors have come back to us last week with the first cuts. We just need to give them slide timings and they will be done.
[15:21] <AlanBell> on 8th March
[15:22] <oimon> maybe i will just watch the 2010 oggcamps in august "as live" when you guys and girls go to farnham
[15:22] <AlanBell> just stick it on youtube and be done. ARGGGHH
[15:22] <oimon> if that was my wedding vid taking 9 months i'd be rather pee'd off
[15:22] <marxjohnson> We're discussing better/faster ways of sourcing videos this year
[15:24] <marxjohnson> like getting attendees to do them and bang them a service with appropriate tagging so we can pull them all together
[15:24] <oimon> that way they actually get watched
[15:25] <oimon> interest in viewing videos of a conference must have a half life of a couple of months or so
[15:25] <marxjohnson> yeah
[15:28] <HazRPG> anyone seen the effect the meerkat tee does on Cheese webcam tool?
[15:29] <HazRPG> it looks rather cool: http://www.hazrpg.co.uk/tmp/2011-04-15-141038.jpg
[15:29] <oimon> HazRPG: are you inside the matrix?
[15:29] <MartijnVdS> oimon: HazRPG = neo
[15:29] <HazRPG> xD
[15:30] <MartijnVdS> (someone! make his phone ring NOW)
[15:30] <HazRPG> xD
[15:30] <HazRPG> don't ya know, I see it all unencrypted - via its source code!
[15:31] <brobostigon> good afternoon HazRPG :)
[15:31] <HazRPG> brobostigon: good afternoon
[15:31] <popey> hahah
[15:31] <popey> nice t-shirt
[15:31] <MartijnVdS> looks a bit "Thundercats"ish
[15:31] <brobostigon> interesting picture.
[15:31] <HazRPG> popey: I wish it actually did look like that now :P
[15:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> Blimey - Libre Office put the wind up Oracle by the looks of it: http://blogs.oracle.com/trond/2011/04/openofficeorg_to_become_a_pure.html
[15:32] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I think that was the idea with the Meerkat tee
[15:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> Or they have realised there's no money in OOo.
[15:32] <MartijnVdS> -> home
[15:32] <oimon> hmm started munching on a bag of fruit flakes that appear to be best before aug 2010
[15:33] <popey> "Oracle has a long history of investing in the development and support of open source products"
[15:33] <popey> *snort*
[15:33] <hamitron> only when it benefits themselves ;/
[15:33] <AlanBell> "only when it benefits themselves" is a perfectly good time to do it
[15:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[15:34] <AlanBell> however I don't think they are very good at giving back
[15:34] <dutchie> it is better than "never"
[15:35] <danfish> if the alans are at the beer festival together, why are they talking to each other via IRC rather than face to face?
[15:36] <czajkowski> I'd like a week with no trips to A&E or doctors please
[15:36] <danfish> oh, beerex doesn't start til laters. My fault :)
[15:36] <czajkowski> twice in one week to both is a bit much
[15:36] <czajkowski> but hats off to St.Thomas in London for being excellent
[15:36]  * danfish tickles czajkowski with the tickle stick of healing
[15:36] <oimon> it takes 8 weeks to get a checkup for my little boy
[15:37] <czajkowski> danfish: it's been a long week I'd like some good kamra please
[15:38] <czajkowski> danfish: woke up yesterday with uvula so swollen it was sitting on my tongue and not letting me swollow or talk so kinda freaked me out
[15:38] <AlanBell> !upstart
[15:40] <Azelphur> Today just isn't my day haha, namehost server DDoS'd, TF2 Update breaks everything, all plugins require a fix, wake up in the morning after going to sleep at 7am to find my dads unplugged the modem and taken it to his office \o/
[15:40] <Azelphur> Life as a sysadmin \o/
[15:40] <nucc1> Azelphur, very funny, the dad part.
[15:40] <hamitron> Azelphur: mine is worse....
[15:40] <Azelphur> nucc1: indeed
[15:40] <hamitron> installing Windows ME in a few hours
[15:40] <hamitron> :/
[15:40] <Azelphur> hamitron: lol why
[15:41] <nucc1> Azelphur, hamitron has ceased to surprise me.
[15:41] <Azelphur> xD
[15:41] <hamitron> never got this laptop working with windows 98 well
[15:41] <Azelphur> on the bright side, after 7 months of arguing we're finally on an unmetered connection
[15:41] <Azelphur> rather than 60GB/mo between 5 people
[15:41] <danfish> czajkowski: sounds unpleasant. Feeling better today?
[15:41] <hamitron> Azelphur: with who?
[15:41] <nucc1> Azelphur, he he he. last month, i topped 90GB.
[15:41] <czajkowski> yeah they gave me steroid and antihestimeans(sp)
[15:42] <Azelphur> hamitron: sky
[15:42] <czajkowski> but then I broke out in a rash so they wouldnt let me go home for a while
[15:42] <hamitron> it is properly unmetered?
[15:42] <nucc1> most of them throttle though
[15:42] <danfish> czajkowski: oops :(
[15:42] <nucc1> but they advertise no caps
[15:42] <hamitron> I read sky was 40Gb
[15:42] <Azelphur> hamitron: yup, no limits I know about
[15:42] <Azelphur> hamitron: no, specifically no FUP
[15:42] <hamitron> gl
[15:42] <hamitron> :)
[15:42] <czajkowski> danfish: yeah oppps
[15:43] <Azelphur> there's a video from a couple years ago with the sky CEO announcing they dropped the FUP and switch to us for truely unlimited broadband xD
[15:43] <Azelphur> on the gadget show.
[15:43] <oimon> a lot changing in 2 yrs
[15:43] <nucc1> what's FUP?
[15:43] <Azelphur> fair usage policy
[15:43] <nucc1> lol
[15:43] <Azelphur> their website still doesn't say Unlimited*
[15:43] <Azelphur> It says Unlimited.
[15:43] <nucc1> sky hugh
[15:44] <nucc1> is it xDSL?
[15:44] <Azelphur> yup
[15:44] <nucc1> something about DSL being based on copper makes me wary. i don't know.
[15:44] <hamitron> Azelphur: is your line with sky too?
[15:44] <Azelphur> hamitron: yea, I had to get a second line for it
[15:45] <hamitron> static ip?
[15:45] <hamitron> i iz interested
[15:45] <hamitron> :)
[15:45] <Azelphur> nope no static
[15:45] <hamitron> :/
[15:45] <Azelphur> I don't trust that they are unlimited either
[15:45] <Azelphur> but I'm about to find out. :-)
[15:45] <nucc1> Azelphur, but it's a routable IP probably, just it changes every few months?
[15:45] <Azelphur> nucc1: yup
[15:46] <hamitron> I've played with changing to the business 2mbit service
[15:46] <nucc1> Azelphur, that's good enough unless you're doing hosting :p
[15:46] <hamitron> my 440kbit upload is slooooooooow
[15:46] <czajkowski> danfish: how does one go about getting an alergy test in this country
[15:46] <czajkowski> it seems rather difficult
[15:46] <Azelphur> nucc1: yea, I like having a dns pointed at my IP but nothing dydns can't take care of
[15:46] <czajkowski> back home you just get a rast test done at hospital when they do a blood test
[15:46] <hamitron> czajkowski: your GP?
[15:47] <Azelphur> hamitron: main downside is ToS says you can only use their router
[15:47] <hamitron> my mother had a lot of tests
[15:47] <Azelphur> hamitron: which is no problem, I'm using their router, it's plugged into my routers WAN Port :-)
[15:47] <Azelphur> and my router is DMZ'd
[15:47] <czajkowski> nope
[15:47] <Azelphur> teehee.
[15:47] <hamitron> Azelphur: that is ok if their router can handle your traffic
[15:48] <Azelphur> hamitron: most routers can handle near their full throughput with one client, unencrypted, and wifi turned off.
[15:48] <Azelphur> I've never seen one that couldn't.
[15:49] <hamitron> the simultanious connections I've found to be a problem is the past
[15:49] <oimon> czajkowski: my GP discouraged me from getting an allergy test...probably due to cost to the nhs
[15:49] <nucc1> hmmm, is there a netspeed applet for unity?
[15:49] <czajkowski> yes well... I need one to rule out me being alergic to antiflammatorys which is rather bad seeing as I need them for my back.
[15:50] <bigcalm> Anybody seen this today? http://www.aperturescience.com/a/b/c/d/g/h/abcdgh/
[15:50] <hamitron> czajkowski: if you are having problems that are very bad, I'm sure your GP will provide
[15:50] <oimon> hopefully your GP is better than mine. mine seems to think i'm a hypochondriac even though i haven't been for 6 years
[15:54] <danfish> czajkowski: not sure there is a RAST test for anti-inflammatories
[15:55] <czajkowski> danfish: aye that's what I figured as much as well. bugger
[15:56]  * TheOpenSourcerer says pah to RAST tests.
[15:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> they completely failed to detect a *severe* peanut allergy in my son.
[15:57] <hamitron> I get burning patches on my arms when I handle paper printed on most lasor printers.... no paperwork for me.... that is my story and I am sticking to it!
[15:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> A skin-prick test we had to pay for at a private consultant did though.
[15:58] <danfish> skin prick testing for peanut allergies - brave consultant!
[16:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> danfish: We didn't know he had a peanut allergy. We were trying to find if anything was exacerbating his exzema
[16:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> He'd had several RAST tests and nothing reproted out of the ordinary
[16:01] <hamitron> I suppose some things are harder to test than others :/
[16:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> When the peanut prick swelled the bloke looked at us and said "You do carry an epipen don't you?"
[16:02] <Pendulum> I think RAST tests are food allergies only, but they aren't supposed to be that accurate
[16:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> s/that//
[16:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> One result the hsopital said he was allergic to "everything"
[16:03] <popey> yay, hugo may be coming to the beerex too
[16:03] <Pendulum> according to the RAST test I had done years ago, I should have a low-grade reaction to most foods and a definite reaction to anything involving mold in food (blue cheese, yogurt, tofu were the things mentioned)
[16:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> The other test they said was normal.
[16:03] <Pendulum> interestingly, I've never liked yogurt or been a huge fan of blue cheese (all other cheeses I've had I adore)
[16:04]  * popey goes home to "spruce"
[16:04]  * TheOpenSourcerer loves Manchengo. My all-time favourite cheese.
[16:05] <ging> i dont understand how someone thought hmm this cheese has visible mold on it, that will make it nicer nom nom nom
[16:06] <hamitron> gets stronger with age?
[16:06] <oimon> cheese is just wrong
[16:07] <davmor2> oimon: why?
[16:07] <hamitron> tbh, I am more impressed someone thought of cheese at all ;)
[16:07] <willy1977> oimon: :o how very dare you!
[16:07] <hamitron> bacon > cheese
[16:07] <hamitron> ;)
[16:08]  * czajkowski stops her feet
[16:08] <czajkowski> for 3 years I've heard about this beer festival
[16:09] <hamitron> stops?
[16:09] <czajkowski> I'm finally over here for it and can't go
[16:09] <czajkowski> *STOMPS
[16:09] <AlanBell> we will miss you
[16:09] <hamitron> k :)
[16:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> czajkowski: Want me to send a wheelchair?
[16:09] <czajkowski> AlanBell: popey TheOpenSourcerer have fun ye buggers
[16:09] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: nope, cant drink
[16:09] <AlanBell> especially when sampling the hundreds of ciders
[16:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> Lol
[16:09] <AlanBell> and the perry
[16:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> That must be very hard czajkowski
[16:09] <danfish> TheOpenSourcerer: ah that makes sense now!
[16:09] <AlanBell> in fact that whole room full of cider
[16:09] <czajkowski> AlanBell: dont choke!
[16:10] <czajkowski> >:(
[16:10] <czajkowski> meanies
[16:10] <hamitron> 30Gb hdd, how to partition it? ;/
[16:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> hamitron: Why?
[16:11] <hamitron> gotta fit as many different OS as possible, but leave enough for Windows ME gaming
[16:11] <jpds> hamitron: gparted.
[16:11] <hamitron> I will be using fdisk ty ;/
[16:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> Most Linux OSes will fit in 2-3GB if you are frugal.
[16:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> Use a common swap.
[16:12] <gordonjcp> 256k
[16:12] <gordonjcp> you won't (easily) fit a modern desktop install into that
[16:12] <jpds> hamitron: 640K partitions should be enough for everyone.
[16:12] <hamitron> TheOpenSourcerer: a reason i thought of today, why it is a good idea to have swap on a partition :D
[16:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> If you've enough RAM then you don't.
[16:13] <hamitron> 512mb ram
[16:13] <hamitron> ;/
[16:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hmm.
[16:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'd have some swap.
[16:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> Otherwise your system might just DIE
[16:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> through lack of memory
[16:13] <hamitron> it normally does ;)
[16:13] <hamitron> abuse ftw \o/
[16:14] <hamitron> thinking 20Gb for windows ME, then rest for maybe 6 or 7 distro
[16:16] <Tommeh> You're wasting rust on ME?
[16:16] <hamitron> games baby!
[16:16] <Tommeh> Did you miss the disk burning when XP came out?
[16:16] <hamitron> this is my retro gaming rig
[16:17] <Tommeh> 98 then ;)
[16:17] <hamitron> I wish :/
[16:17] <Tommeh> Or 2K, for that matter.
[16:17] <hamitron> for some reason, 98 doesn't work well
[16:17] <hamitron> and 2k is too new
[16:18] <MooDoo> just use dos6.22 and play doom like the rest of us
[16:18] <hamitron> I grew up in the 9x erra :/
[16:18] <hamitron> most my games are from then
[16:18]  * MooDoo suts up
[16:19] <hamitron> on the plus side, I got a lower spec toy to break :)
[16:19] <hamitron> should save this from so much abuse
[16:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> ROTFLMAO: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/before-you-install-windows-home-server-2011-rtfm-seriously/3134
[16:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> Really - read this ^^-^^
[16:29] <phonex01> hi guys
[16:29] <phonex01> im using wine and i need to use serial port !
[16:30] <phonex01> my serial port on ubuntu called ttyUSB1 and i want to use it with wine
[16:30] <phonex01> how can i do that !!!!
[16:42] <oimon> phonex01: have you read the wine docs?
[16:42] <oimon> e.g. http://www.winehq.org/docs/wineusr-guide/misc-things-to-configure
[16:43] <phonex01> hi thank you  i did it
[16:44] <phonex01> i used ln command and its work !
[16:44] <phonex01> sudo ln -s /dev/ttyUSB4 com1
[16:45] <Tommeh> Heh, useful
[16:47] <oimon> anyone still using norton ghost for windows imaging?
[16:47] <oimon> we have been using acronis but it uses a licence each machine you restore an image to! $$£££
[16:47] <phonex01> norton ghost is very bad for the health of your hard disk
[16:47] <phonex01> use acronis on hiren boot cd it is free
[16:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> See you all later then. AlanBell I'll bang on your door about 17:30-17:45
[16:49] <AlanBell> ok, see you later
[16:56] <hamitron> !grub2
[17:00] <seeker> Is portal 2 out now?
[17:01] <bigcalm> No :(
[17:01] <bigcalm> http://www.aperturescience.com/glados@home/
[17:02] <kirrus> Clever
[17:03] <seeker> Can't see the link on my phone :(
[17:03] <bigcalm> It's to get people to buy more games
[17:04] <oimon> nothing to do with beefy miracle then?
[17:04] <bigcalm> Portal 2 is the only thing on anybody's mind right now
[17:05] <oimon> http://blog.ianweller.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/hotdog-tshirt-fudcon.png
[17:06] <directhex> bigcalm, genius
[17:06] <HazRPG> anyone have issues with skype?
[17:06] <bigcalm> HazRPG: yes, it's not open source
[17:06] <bigcalm> !
[17:06] <HazRPG> I've had it die twice so far in mid conversation
[17:06] <ali12341> it's funny that people will buy a whole bunch of sucky games just to get a potato so they can look at some concept art for portal 2
[17:06] <HazRPG> bigcalm: well yeah, I know this :P
[17:06] <davmor2> hahaha darwinia has a spoof spectrum loading screen as a raytracer :D
[17:06] <bigcalm> directhex: have you bought the potato sack then?
[17:07]  * bigcalm will not be doing so
[17:07] <bigcalm> I can wait until Tuesday
[17:07] <directhex> bigcalm, can't justify it when i already own half the games
[17:08] <directhex> ali12341, um... aren't you the one who complains about modern gaming being rubbish?
[17:08] <ali12341> directhex: yes
[17:08] <ali12341> case in point, people will only buy that stuff if there's a tie in with a game that's actually good
[17:09] <directhex> so you hate big-franchise shooters, but hate on indie games without playing them?
[17:09] <ali12341> yes
[17:09] <Azelphur> so, now I'm on dynamic IP, I own my own domain and want to have a subdomain that always points at my current home address, magnets how do they work?
[17:10] <seeker> So you don't like "modern" games, you don't like indie games, so you don't really like games. So you are basically trolling.
[17:10] <ali12341> oh, i like good games
[17:11] <ali12341> unfortunately just because a game was made on a shoe string budget does not mean it is good
[17:11] <directhex> um, i never said that. but it doesn't make it bad either
[17:12] <ali12341> i never said it did
[17:12] <ali12341> i just said that these particular games are sucky
[17:12] <gord> jsut fyi, most of the games in that potato whatever are actually pretty good
[17:12] <seeker> ali12341: Have you played them?
[17:13] <gord> amnesia is critically acclaimed - killing floor is hugely popular, bit trip beat again critically acclaimed, same for super meat boy
[17:14] <ali12341> well killing floor is an FPS game therefore identical to every other FPS game released in the last 10 years
[17:14] <seeker> ali12341: If not, stop denouncing things you have never tried. It isn't big and it isn't clever.
[17:15] <gord> ali12341, nope, its not
[17:15] <gord> have you not played it? i have
[17:16] <ali12341> gord it's not a FPS?
[17:16] <gord> its fps, its not identical to every other fps
[17:16] <ali12341> you don't shoot zombies with guns on it?
[17:16] <directhex> i own that one too, although i've not played it. it demands playing in co-op fashion, i prefer singleplayer
[17:16] <ali12341> lol, that statement is a contradiction in terms, all FPS are identical
[17:16] <seeker> Ubuntu is a Linux distro and therefore identical to every other linux
[17:16] <seeker> Distro
[17:17] <ali12341> seeker that's true once you strip out the canonical branding...
[17:17] <gord> potato is a vegetable and therefore is identical to a carrot
[17:17] <bigcalm> http://imgur.com/TJVGn
[17:18] <seeker> This is an irc conversation, and therefore identical to every other irc conversation. It starts out with someone making outrageous claims about something they have never
[17:18] <ali12341> also true
[17:18] <gord> someone modded minecraft to have guns once, guess that makes it the same as call of duty
[17:18] <seeker> Tried/seen/experienced, and then...
[17:19] <seeker> ali12341: So is portal the same as CoD?
[17:19] <ali12341> seeker no
[17:19] <ali12341> portal does not have any guns
[17:19] <seeker> Yes it does
[17:19] <ali12341> oh really?
[17:19] <seeker> The whole game is about shooting stuff
[17:19] <ali12341> where?
[17:19] <seeker> With portals
[17:19] <seeker> It's just a special type of ammo for a gun
[17:19] <ali12341> um, no
[17:20] <ali12341> portals can't even attach to moving objects, sorry
[17:20] <seeker> But just like every other gun it makes holes in what you shoot it at
[17:20] <ali12341> so i guess it's kind of like a FPS, where you only ever shoot none moving targets
[17:20] <ali12341> which is original in itself
[17:20] <seeker> A) it is a first person game
[17:20] <seeker> B) you shoot at X
[17:20] <hamitron> wow, booting off usb 1.1 is slow
[17:21] <ali12341> plenty of games are first person
[17:21] <seeker> In this case X is a wall
[17:21] <gord> portal is the same game as doom
[17:21] <gord> everyone knows this
[17:21] <seeker> Therefore it is a FPS
[17:21] <ali12341> it has nothing to do with games where you shoot zombies with shotguns
[17:21] <directhex> gord, identical!
[17:21] <seeker> And, by your reasoning is identical to every other FPS game in the last 10 tears
[17:21] <seeker> *years
[17:22] <seeker> Oh, wait, it isn't. Congratulations for arguing against your own statement
[17:22] <ali12341> um, no
[17:22] <ali12341> portal doesn't have shotguns or zombies
[17:22] <gord> my life is basically the same thing as mario, as sometimes i go on a platform
[17:22] <directhex> the whole discussion is asinine
[17:22] <gord> sometimes i eat mushrooms
[17:22] <ali12341> also i love how you can only argue your point by using the logical fallacies that you accuse me of
[17:22] <seeker> ali12341: well killing floor is an FPS game therefore identical to every other FPS game released in the last 10 years
[17:23] <hamitron> it is using the same engine to create something a little bit different ;/
[17:23] <ali12341> seeker yes that is true. it has zombies, it has shotguns
[17:23] <seeker> Your statement didnt mention shotguns or zombies
[17:23] <ali12341> zombies and shotguns are taken as a given for any FPS
[17:23] <seeker> You just generalised all FPS
[17:23] <ali12341> um yes
[17:23] <ali12341> exactly
[17:23] <ali12341> all FPS can be summed up as "zombies and shotguns"
[17:23] <directhex> okay, a less asinine comparison:
[17:23] <seeker> But portal is an FPS
[17:23] <directhex> are killiong floor and amnesia the same?
[17:24] <ali12341> nope, amnesia is not a FPS either
[17:24] <directhex> fallout 3 has shotguns and zombies. is it call of duty?
[17:24] <seeker> The definition of a FPS isnt "shotguns and zombies"
[17:25] <seeker> It is a game, in first person view, where you shoot things.
[17:25] <ali12341> i forgot the crates
[17:25] <ali12341> zombies, shotguns and crates
[17:25] <ali12341> and make sure everything is brown as well
[17:25] <seeker> You cant say that all FPS are identical, provided you restrict FPS games to those with zombies and shotguns
[17:25] <hamitron> the ones with humans, shotguns and crates are a different genre ;)
[17:26] <ali12341> i can, and i did :)
[17:26] <hamitron> hehe
[17:26] <hamitron> it is like racing games... same sorta thing but not the same
[17:26] <directhex> mario kart is gran turismo?
[17:26] <nucc1> erm, anyone using gnome3 here? some of my programs don't seem to be using the gnome3 theme
[17:27] <ali12341> well except for the fact that 99% of racing games are indestiguishable
[17:27]  * hamitron spanks ali12341
[17:27] <hamitron> how dare you ;/
[17:27] <nucc1> ali12341, most have different nuances
[17:27] <ali12341> mario kart is not gran turismo, here is how you tell them apart: if you're having fun, you're playing mario kart
[17:27] <seeker> ali12341: In that case, you aren't using thesame definition as the rest of the world, and are therefore just trolling.
[17:27] <nucc1> different driving physics and stuff
[17:27] <nucc1> i don't like Gran Tourismo cos it's too "real".
[17:28] <ali12341> if you're not even sure what game you're playing, it might be gran turismo, or test drive, or one of those
[17:28] <hamitron> GT is not real :/
[17:28] <bigcalm> Best racing game I miss is Re-Volt
[17:28] <hamitron> Re-Volt \o.
[17:28] <hamitron> \o/
[17:28] <nucc1> i prefer my racing games to have lots of fantasy moves in them
[17:28] <hamitron> and rollcage
[17:28] <nucc1> hence, Need for speed
[17:28] <davmor2> bigcalm: no racing games peeked with mircomachines
[17:28] <directhex> rc pro am
[17:28] <bigcalm> Rollcage was a good one to make one feel one was going damn fast
[17:28] <hamitron> bigcalm: yeh
[17:29] <directhex> wipeout is fun in 3d
[17:29] <directhex> it works well in 3d
[17:29] <bigcalm> I wonder if Re-Volt is on GoG
[17:29] <hamitron> I has Re-Volt
[17:29] <hamitron> :)
[17:30] <bigcalm> It's not on GoG :(
[17:30] <hamitron> but I try buy every racing game
[17:30] <hamitron> or used to
[17:30] <hamitron> :/
[17:31] <bigcalm> I used to have it, but it stopped working on OSes between then and now
[17:31] <hamitron> well, I am installing Windows ME so will remind you how good it plays later ;)
[17:32] <hamitron> just making space for windows, then sorted
[17:32] <hamitron> although, think I've wrecked grub2 :/
[17:33] <hamitron> I made a file at /etc/grub.d/60_ham
[17:33] <hamitron> and now it just boots straight off my usb
[17:33] <hamitron> oh noes
[17:34] <hamitron> I missed off the { and }
[17:34] <hamitron> *face meets palm*
[17:34] <bigcalm> hamitron: http://rv12.zackattackgames.com/
[17:35] <hamitron> nice :D
[17:35] <hamitron> guess I can play without fixing my other machine
[18:22] <popey> WHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEE!
[18:24] <hamitron> popey: ?
[18:25] <DJones> Somebody greased popey's slide
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> ....
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> I think it's popey-weekend
[18:26] <hamitron> if you have messed up grub2 config, can you press some hot key to not load the config?
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: I don't think so.. insert rescue CD :)
[18:26] <hamitron> no cd drive
[18:27] <MartijnVdS> Rescue USB stick
[18:27] <hamitron> and mobo too old to boot from usb
[18:27] <hamitron> haha
[18:27] <MartijnVdS> Rescue floppy?
[18:27] <hamitron> not got a working comp with a floppy drive in this room ;)
[18:27] <hamitron> guess I could go into the garage
[18:28]  * hamitron grumbles
[18:28] <MartijnVdS> Put the disk in another machine, fix config?
[18:28] <MartijnVdS> put disk back?
[18:29] <hamitron> can i modify the config from the grub command line?
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> You can boot manually from the command line
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> then fix it in the booted OS
[18:31] <hamitron> !info grub2 cli
[18:31] <hamitron> !grub2
[18:32] <Azelphur> popey: with rsnapshot do you take a snapshot of / usually
[18:32] <Azelphur> or do you just do /home
[18:38] <popey> Azelphur: yes, and some exclusions
[18:38] <directhex> decided to buy the potato sack & portal 2. you only live once.
[18:39] <bigcalm> :O
[18:39] <directhex> there's a bundle
[18:39] <bigcalm> I don't see the release date dropping
[18:39] <Azelphur> popey: care to elaborate? I'd like to start doing it on my server
[18:39] <Azelphur> I'm not sure how it'd work permissions wise without a root user
[18:45] <hamitron> directhex: potato sack?
[18:48] <directhex> hamitron: the collection of 13 indie games ali12341 complained were crap by definition
[18:48] <ali12341> um no
[18:48] <ali12341> i didn't say they were crap by definition
[18:48] <ali12341> i said they were crap
[18:48] <bigcalm> And you've played each one?
[18:48] <ali12341> then you put words into my mouth saying that i hate *all* indie games
[18:48] <ali12341> bigcalm: no, because i don't buy crap, sorry
[18:49] <ali12341> i looked at the demo videos of each one on steam
[18:49] <bigcalm> Fair enough
[18:49] <hamitron> :)
[18:49] <hamitron> tbh, they do look crap :/
[18:49] <hamitron> or at least most of them
[18:51] <directhex> woo, demo videos.
[18:51] <hamitron> how I run "update-grub" from inside a chroot'ed environment?
[18:52] <hamitron> or would modifying /boot/grub/grub.cfg be enough to boot?
[18:54] <ali12341> it depends
[18:54] <hamitron> ouuuu
[18:54] <hamitron> I got my main OS booting \o/
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: woohoo
[19:02] <hamitron> least I have another go to make or break it :)
[19:05] <hamitron> damn, this is why I love linux
[19:05] <hamitron> :)
[19:05] <hamitron> with everything so easy, I've been getting lazy and missed this sort of thing
[19:28] <DJones> Is ubuntuforums.org down for people, it looks as though its down to me
[19:32] <ali12341> DJones: they are testing a new spam filter
[19:32] <ali12341> DJones: there's a post of the forums about it
[19:33] <DJones> ali12341: ok, just come back up
[19:33] <ali12341> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1729768
[19:33] <ali12341> i don;t know how you're supposed to read that if you're accidentally banned
[19:33] <ali12341> but there you go
[19:35] <gordonjcp> ali12341: seems down for me...
[19:35] <DJones> Its a bit flakey, working one minute, dead the next
[20:05] <scoundrel50a> Just wanted to thank those that helped me this afternoon, in getting my Ubuntu back, and helping to delete a partition, My Ubuntu 10.10 seems to be working ok again. I'm just testing my windows partition now, its going through a scandisk, but everything looks ok. Thanks again.
[20:15] <jonsaint> hi all. HELP! i cant get my update manager to update. i got a no entry sign at the top of my screen!
[20:17] <jonsaint> anyone here?
[20:18] <jonsaint> il come back later to see if anyone can help me.
[20:22] <ali12341> heh, even microsoft knows native is better
[20:22] <hamitron> ali12341: ?
[20:22] <ali12341> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2011/04/12/native-html5-first-ie10-platform-preview-available-for-download.aspx
[20:22] <ali12341> "Web sites and HTML5 run best when they run natively, on a browser optimized for the operating system on your device."
[20:24] <hamitron> no shit
[20:24] <hamitron> errr
[20:24] <hamitron> no messing ;/
[20:24] <ali12341> i wonder what browsers don't run natively
[20:25] <hamitron> I get the feeling a lot of stuff doesn't :/
[20:25] <ali12341> perhaps ones that run on a VM layer...
[20:25] <hamitron> that or everything is getting slower
[20:26] <hamitron> I guess each way of doing something, has its own advantages
[20:26] <hamitron> and I am glad to see, some are taking performance seriously for once
[20:26] <hamitron> ¬¬
[20:26] <ali12341> here is one http://lobobrowser.org/cobra.jsp
[20:27] <ali12341> can't find any others
[20:29] <directhex> sounds like it's an attempt to say "sandboxing your tabs is BAD and WRONG, we don't do it because we're AWESOME"
[20:32] <hamitron> it is certainly cheating, when it comes to security
[20:32] <hamitron> :)
[20:32] <hamitron> but that doesn't have to be a bad thing
[20:33] <ali12341> sandboxing the browser is pointless anyway
[20:33] <ali12341> why should the browser get extra security?
[20:33] <ali12341> every app should be sandboxed by default by the OS
[20:35] <ali12341> especially now that the trend of making your application in HTML has completely reversed into making your webpage an app
[20:42] <hamitron> ali12341: sandboxing as a whole can be good, but it is an extra layer that is going to take resources
[20:43] <hamitron> overly complicates things
[20:43] <hamitron> and in an ideal world, I wouldn;t want it
[20:53] <ali12341> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gvfs/commit/?id=7460f26f9243e6b1745a448b8dc05b15d12aa86e
[20:53] <ali12341> gvfsd bug got fixed :)
[21:09] <hamitron> brb, restart
[21:16] <nucc1> echo.
[21:38] <suprengr> just logged in so pardon if it's been here before but this is worth a smile / grin / laugh / other emotion...
[21:38] <suprengr> http://developers.slashdot.org/story/11/04/15/194235/OpenOfficeorg-To-Be-Given-Back-To-the-Community?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29
[21:41] <hamitron> suprengr: a *sigh* I think
[21:41] <hamitron> and not of relief
[21:41] <hamitron> ;)
[21:49] <suprengr> Notice to all competitors of Oracle... call yourself Libre Office and see them run ;)
[21:58] <ali12341> libre office is a better name than OOoOO.OoOo or whatever it was called
[21:58] <brobostigon> openoffice.org*
[21:59] <matti> ;]
[21:59] <brobostigon> good evening matti :)
[22:00] <matti> Hey brobostigon ;]
[22:40] <hamitron> !pxe
[22:40] <hamitron> !netboot
[22:44] <zleap> does anyone know how nvidia ion 2 is supported in ubuntu
[22:44] <zleap> i am looking at getting a Acer Aspire Revo R3700 Desktop
[22:45] <daftykins> zleap: nvidia binary drivers, be fine
[22:45] <zleap> ok
[22:45] <daftykins> i run ion 1's myself
[22:45] <zleap> ok
[22:45] <daftykins> just setup another 4 for a client as HTPCs around his house ^_^
[22:45] <zleap> well this thing is <200 quid
[22:45] <daftykins> yeah, similar sort of gear
[22:45] <zleap> so seems for what I am going to use it for, fine
[22:45] <daftykins> atom+ion
[22:46] <daftykins> as long as it won't be a primary desktop they're good yep :)
[22:46] <zleap> whats wrong with it being a primary desktop
[22:46] <zleap> all i generally use my computer for here, is web, e-mail, typing, irc
[22:46] <zleap> and a few Linux games
[22:47] <ali12341> as long as games = solitaire and minesweeper it will be fine
[22:47] <daftykins> atom processors can be very painful for even web browsing, given the heavily laden flash and javascript nature of modern sites
[22:47] <zleap> ah
[22:47] <daftykins> but it's not impossible
[22:47] <zleap> surely a dual atom processor + ion which is nmeant to give 10x performance of integrated graphics
[22:48] <ali12341> not for browsing
[22:48] <zleap> ah
[22:48] <ali12341> nvidia driver + firefox = worse performance than integrated graphics
[22:48] <daftykins> the only benefit you'll get is with video sites like youtube, from the Ion graphics
[22:48] <zleap> well how would it compare to a duron 1600 + 1gb ram + geforce 4
[22:48] <daftykins> as that'll let the little boxes play HD video
[22:48] <daftykins> not that you can truthfully call youtube's video HD...
[22:48] <zleap> hmm
[22:49] <ali12341> rubbish
[22:49] <ali12341> youtube's HD is a lot better than the BBC's HD
[22:49] <daftykins> it'll have a slight edge graphically, but you won't feel too much of a processor kick
[22:49] <zleap> hmm
[22:49] <daftykins> how does making a comparison invalidate my statement?
[22:49] <zleap> dunno,  i was just asking
[22:49] <ali12341> ok then, let me put it this way, youtube's HD is HD by every possible definition of the term
[22:50] <zleap> given my current pc is about 8 years old,  and this is pretty new I would expect better performance
[22:50] <ali12341> (and the BBC's is not)
[22:50] <zleap> ok,  so what should i look at for a low powered system then
[22:50] <ali12341> pinetrail every time
[22:51] <daftykins> yeah but Atoms aren't mainstream
[22:51] <hamitron> i3 \o/
[22:51] <zleap> ok
[22:51] <daftykins> they're netbook gear put in the desktop form factor for obscure reasons :D
[22:52] <zleap> yeah have atom in my dell 10v
[22:52] <daftykins> you'd basically be buying one of those that can play back HD video
[22:53] <zleap> plays glest far better than my desktop does,  which reminds me I need to see if i can install open arena to play at the lighthouse (local youth project I am setting up pc's for)
[22:53] <zleap> extra client so I can get my butt kicked by the kids down there :D
[22:54] <daftykins> =]
[22:54] <daftykins> i was too lazy to even set up a client for myself when i let the students play UT on the last day of term
[22:54] <zleap> ah
[22:54] <daftykins> though i did have my client run a dedicated server
[22:54] <daftykins> :>
[22:54] <daftykins> but they all favour CS 1.6 =/ foolish youngsters
[22:55] <zleap> well i think we are 100 percent Ubuntu
[22:55] <zleap> not sure about a few of the laptops people use, that could run windows, but all the main computers run Ubuntu
[23:06] <brobostigon> good night eveyone, sleep well.
[23:16] <nucc1> my alt+tab isn't working (gnome3)...
[23:22] <daftykins> alt+shift+tab too?
[23:30] <nucc1> daftykins: got help from #gnome3. it turns out tobe keyboard shortcuts.
[23:30] <daftykins> in what way, given of course alt+tab is a keyboard shortcut?
[23:31] <nucc1> they were disabled by default.
[23:31] <nucc1> no idea why.
[23:33] <daftykins> ah, strange
[23:34] <nucc1> i thought all apps would look "gnome3".
[23:34] <nucc1> turns out most apps still have the gnome2 look.
[23:34] <nucc1> a little disappointing that, but quite understandable.
[23:35] <nucc1> wonder if i would have the time to take a stab at porting a small app myself.
[23:35] <daftykins> gnome3 changing from gtk or something?
[23:35] <nucc1> no
[23:35] <nucc1> just that gtk2 apps use the clearlooks engine
[23:35] <nucc1> and gtk3 apps use the newer theme
[23:35] <daftykins> ah
[23:36] <nucc1> woulda been so cool if they all looked "modern" :)
[23:37] <nucc1> and the terminal seems to have some braindead defaults.
[23:37] <nucc1> like it no longer shows your pwd.
[23:37] <nucc1> and username.
[23:37] <daftykins> =/
[23:37] <nucc1> and i can't see to get tab completion working.
[23:37] <daftykins> i struggled with that style at Uni :D so annoying not seeing the wd
[23:37] <daftykins> a coursemate fiddled with his bash profile and broke his account, had to ask an admin to reset it :D
[23:38] <nucc1> i'm wondering how to re-enable it.
[23:38] <nucc1> at least i'm admin here :)
[23:38] <nucc1> he he. my current locale is some ANSI thingy.
[23:38] <daftykins> the style should be stored in the .bash_profile no?
[23:38] <daftykins> i'm probably remembering wrong
[23:38] <nucc1> wierd
[23:39] <AlanBell> Evening all
[23:39] <daftykins> hi Alan
[23:39] <nucc1> bon soir
[23:40] <nucc1> daftykins: i don't think my brain is in the frame to do any searching :/
[23:40] <daftykins> same, i have shirked all responsibility today
[23:40] <nucc1> empathy is a really shiny irc client though :p
[23:40] <nucc1> can't stop oogling it
[23:41]  * AlanBell is a titchiy bit drunk and waiting for an indian with popey and theopensourcerer
[23:41] <nucc1> he he
[23:42] <AlanBell> Chicken rogan josh is here
[23:44] <Pendulum> AlanBell: good night then?
[23:45] <Pendulum> now you have me tempted to order curry :(
[23:45]  * nucc1 shuts his ears
[23:45] <nucc1> good thing it's midnight :)