[00:01] <jtatum> i'm addicted to their twitter. it's nice sitting in my quiet house in a quiet neighborhood reading about hookers and crack :)
[00:02] <jamalta> sorry i'm back
[00:03] <jtatum> wb
[00:03] <jamalta> tenderloin has a lot of gov't housing
[00:04] <jamalta> kdub: but that area is pretty expensive, my guess at least...
[00:05] <kdub> i dont know, i live down in the silicon waffle
[00:05] <jamalta> ahh
[00:05] <jamalta> waffle, lol..
[00:10] <kdub> i'm still not sure how funny that joke is
[00:11]  * kdub wants a condo overlooking the padres stadium and the harbor
[00:14] <kevin6888> what santa monica?  the silicon beach?
[00:15] <kevin6888> blah, *is
[00:15] <kdub> san diego, sandiego, sandy eggo, sandy waffle
[00:16] <kdub> silicon waffle
[00:20] <kevin6888> santa monica, santamonica, santam onica, silicon beach?
[00:23] <kevin6888> ohhhh, silicon monica
[00:23] <kevin6888> silicon angel
[00:24] <kevin6888> reminds me of the radiohead song "fake plastic trees"
[00:44] <kdub> hah, at any rate, i don't think that joke will make it to my open mike night routine :P
[01:18] <quicksilver_> Nothing works at open mic nights.
[01:18] <quicksilver_> Poor souls are left tending to crowds waiting to hate them.
[02:58] <iheartubuntu> great ubuntu hour turnout today in Pasadena! 8 people
[02:58] <akk> Yay!
[03:05] <nuboon2age> hey all.  Ubuntu Hour: San Jose is now  aaditya aak pleai2 crashsystems1 outofjungle
[03:06] <nuboon2age> akk
[03:10] <akk> It is? oops, I didn't even hear about this one ... but I can't come, running an IRC gimp building session at 8.
[03:18] <aaditya> nuboon2age: would have been nice to attend, but I got caught up with tons of work this week.
[03:19] <pleia2> san jose is always too far for me to go, but particularly today ;)
[03:20] <pleia2> flying home saturday *sniff(
[03:20] <pleia2> *
[03:20] <jtatum> visiting?
[03:21] <pleia2> vacationing in puerto rico
[03:21] <jtatum> oh, i had it backwards!
[03:21] <jtatum> neat
[03:21] <pleia2> MJ is here for a conference (which ended yesterday)
[03:21] <jtatum> i was just thinking, pleia2
[03:21] <jtatum> 's been so quiet
[03:21] <pleia2> hehe
[03:21] <pleia2> beaches++
[03:21] <jtatum> lol
[03:22] <pleia2> actually today we went up to one of the forts in old san juan and did lots of touristing
[03:24] <pleia2> anyway, near bedtime :) night all
[03:25] <nuboon2age> nighty night pleai2
[03:25] <akk> Night, pleia2 --glad the vacation is going well!
[03:27] <nuboon2age> jtatum i and utkarsh ravi met last wee
[03:28] <nuboon2age> week and im her again with Utkarsh Ravi Dan and Kartic
[03:28] <akk> Hi everybody! :)
[03:30] <nuboon2age> hey akk! ;-)
[03:39] <nuboon2age> pleia2 the prez of SJSULUG is requesting we supply a  bunch o U intu disks. they will be the driving for e behind this U untu Hour SJ
[03:41] <nuboon2age> they cross posted about tonight on their facebook site and got put yheir peeps tonight
[03:42] <nuboon2age> they had previously requested disks from ubuntu but had gotten red tape answer
[03:43] <nuboon2age> they gave out all the server copies i have them last week!
[03:43] <nuboon2age> they are really on the ball
[03:47] <akk> That's great!
[04:02] <nuboon2age> okay that was fun
[04:03] <nuboon2age>  im out
[04:17] <jtatum> enjoy the launch tonight socal folks
[04:18] <jtatum> 9:24 PM
[04:18] <jtatum> unless it's too windy
[04:19] <jtatum> i'm gonna give it a shot from sunnyvale. there's a slight chance depending on visibility that i'll be able to see something
[04:41] <nuboon2age> maylin says hi
[05:00] <jtatum> hi
[05:01]  * akk waves
[05:18] <jtatum> about 5 minutes to launch, not scrubbed yet
[05:21] <akk> Rocket launch, not natty beta launch, right?
[05:31] <jtatum> sorry about being confusing akk :) yes, rocket launch
[05:32] <akk> Did it launch?
[05:32] <akk> Did you get to see it?
[05:35] <jtatum> it launched. i guess i need to get somewhere higher, darker, and with less treeline next time. got spoiled by living a stones throw from cape canaveral
[05:35] <akk> That must have been amazing!
[05:36] <akk> I've only seen 1 or 2 rocket launches and they were all from quite far away (just a big contrail going up)
[05:50] <jtatum> it's pretty great. i hope we get back to manned spaceflight quick.
[07:13] <Algo> Sup dudes and dudettes!
[08:56] <The_Letter_M> Hello All
[09:14] <d4nnyp> hello
[17:36] <kevin6888> gasho all
[17:37] <kevin6888> i will say that i like the search dealy in unity
[17:37] <kevin6888> the panel reminds me of docky
[17:38] <u_dp_> hello
[17:39] <kevin6888> hello
[17:41] <kevin6888> how are you u_dp_ ?
[17:41] <u_dp_> i'm great thanks
[17:41] <u_dp_> looking into moving to ubuntu
[17:42] <kevin6888> cool, have you tried it out yet?
[17:42] <u_dp_> investigating alternative window managers
[17:42] <u_dp_> yea, but it was a long time ago
[17:42] <u_dp_> i didn't feel it was well enough developed then
[17:43] <kevin6888> what do you use your computer for?
[17:43] <u_dp_> world domination
[17:44] <u_dp_> but i'm interested in doing more automation
[17:44] <u_dp_> so looking for something nicer than
[17:44] <u_dp_> dos batch scripting :)
[17:44] <u_dp_> brb
[17:45] <u_dp_> back
[17:45] <kevin6888> world domination?  can't really help you with that
[17:46] <u_dp_> darn.
[17:46] <u_dp_> i thought ubuntu specialized in this discipline
[17:46] <akk> ubuntu is great for scripting, though
[17:46] <akk> then the world domination part is just up to how well you write your scripts :)
[17:47] <u_dp_> what wm's do you guys use?
[17:47] <kevin6888> i've used pretty much all of them
[17:47] <u_dp_> i'm looking at Xmonad
[17:47] <kevin6888> fluxbox, xfce, lxde, kde, gnome
[17:47] <kevin6888> well, haven't tried that one
[17:47] <kevin6888> i used compiz stand alone for a bit
[17:47] <u_dp_> ratpoison?
[17:48] <kevin6888> i don't like poison
[17:48] <u_dp_> generally or this wm?
[17:48] <kevin6888> generally of course, hehe
[17:48] <kevin6888> never tried ratpoison
[17:49] <akk> I use openbox./
[17:49] <u_dp_> http://www.nongnu.org/ratpoison/
[17:49] <akk> I don't like maximizing windows, so ratpoison isn't for me
[17:49] <u_dp_> ok from what i remember fluxbox and openbox were very similar
[17:49] <akk> I like to multitask and see 2-3 windows at once
[17:50] <u_dp_> you can see 2-3 windows at once with ratpoison
[17:50] <u_dp_> it just makes sure there is no gaps between the windows
[17:50] <akk> I thought it wanted everything maximized or at least tiled.
[17:51] <u_dp_> well it doesn't seem like what you want
[17:51] <u_dp_> so how do flux and open differ?
[17:51] <akk> I don't know, I confess. I like openbox's flexibility and focus handling, and also the community and support
[17:51] <akk> so I haven't spent much time with fluxbox to compare it.
[17:51] <u_dp_> i see
[17:52] <iheartubuntu> nice to see you again last night kevin6888 - sorry i had to split early
[17:52] <kevin6888> iheartubuntu: no problemo, i hung around for an extra 5 min but then left as well
[17:53] <kevin6888> i really get the feeling that the LUGs at the Universities are pretty exclusive
[17:54] <kevin6888> chromium is acting funny...
[17:54] <u_dp_> brb
[17:54] <iheartubuntu> it wasnt too bad. i would have liked a period of time where the LUG could work with newbies and help them with their computers
[17:55] <iheartubuntu> i realize this IT recruiter had a big speech to give... but 2.5 hours long was getting boring
[17:55] <iheartubuntu> maybe other meetings they dont have talkers and people just mingle and do the comps and help each other
[17:55] <kevin6888> yeah, and i'm all for finding a job, but while i was sitting there, i couldn't help realize that there was no way he would find me one
[17:56] <kevin6888> well, it's in a classroom, the venue kind of restricts the options
[17:56] <kevin6888> a hackerspace it is not
[17:57] <kevin6888> which kind of makes sense, i think it's supposed to be more social...but...still, classrooms aren't really the best venues for promoting socializing
[17:58] <kevin6888> i'm not complaining, i'm just looking for something different i think
[18:03] <akk> A lot of LUGs (and other clubs too) have the "one person gives a speech" format instead of "everybody sit around and hack".
[18:03] <akk> I guess maybe it takes pressure off, people can just veg out and listen, but I always thought a more participatory meeting would be more fun.
[18:04] <u_dp_> back
[18:05] <u_dp_> aak, i'm hosting an event which is more of a collaborative environment this saturday
[18:05] <u_dp_> this particular event is for mobile app development
[18:05] <akk> I was in a car club that had a format of "announcements and club business, then a couple members talk about current projects for 5-10 minutes, the adjourn to the parking lot and stand around for another hour talking about whatever".
[18:06] <akk> Worked really well, but I haven't seen a science/tech club that does it that way.
[18:06] <u_dp_> :D
[18:07] <iheartubuntu> wish we found those tunnels :D
[18:07] <akk> Tunnels?
[18:07]  * akk has fond memories of the caltech steam tunnels
[18:07] <kevin6888> iheartubuntu: i couldn't live in them anyway, unless i figured out a way to forage for food :P
[18:08] <iheartubuntu> underneath caltech :)
[18:08] <iheartubuntu> kevin6888 there are foraging websites now to find all sorts of food on public land :)
[18:08] <u_dp_> what steam tunnels???
[18:08] <u_dp_> :o
[18:08] <kevin6888> iheartubuntu: i think you were right, we should have just explored the campus looking for the steam tunnels
[18:08] <kevin6888> i wanted to do the responsible thing though, and actually show up
[18:09] <kevin6888> akk: i have no memory of caltech steam tunnels :(
[18:10] <kevin6888> iheartubuntu: link?  the public land would have to be walking distance from me to be sustainable :|
[18:12] <iheartubuntu> akk - u went to caltech?
[18:12] <iheartubuntu> kev - will find u the links... two good sites
[18:12] <akk> iheartubuntu: No, but grew up in Alhambra and hung around with friends at Caltech.
[18:13] <iheartubuntu> busy doing day job... bean counter
[18:13] <iheartubuntu> ohhhhhhhhh cool! so u know the area
[18:13] <akk> (had a boyfriend whose dorm room was just around the corner from a steam tunnel entrance :)
[18:15] <kevin6888> i'm starting to think i won't be a big fan of the steam tunnels now
[18:16] <iheartubuntu> aaaaahah!!!! so there are tunnels
[18:16] <kevin6888> hehe
[18:17] <iheartubuntu> was walking by the dorms the other night with my wife posting flyers.... had a couple making out and ripping their clothes off :) haha
[18:18] <kevin6888> were they secretly you and your wife?
[18:18] <iheartubuntu> that was later, in the bushes
[18:18] <u_dp_> XD
[18:18]  * kevin6888 covers his eyes
[18:19]  * iheartubuntu covers his eyes too
[18:32] <u_dp_> aw
[18:36] <nhaines> Hmm, I should flesh out my Upscale talk and do the LUG circuit again.
[18:38] <u_dp_> sounds cool
[18:38] <u_dp_> links to preso?
[18:39] <nhaines> Hmm, you know, I don't think I put it up.  :)  But I should.  I should get the video online and the presentation up.
[18:39] <u_dp_> thumbs up :D
[18:39] <nhaines> Let me get you a link to the presentation.
[18:40] <nhaines> u_dp_: Advocacy for Advocates: http://ubuntuone.com/p/mt6/
[18:41] <u_dp_> thank you sir
[18:42] <u_dp_> hm, is the file really 86k?
[18:42] <nhaines> Sure, it's an OpenDocument Presentation file with only one graphic, and that's just an xkcd comic.
[18:43] <nhaines> It was a 5-minute talk, each slide auto advanced after 15 seconds.  A lot of fun to do actually.  :)
[18:44] <iheartubuntu> kevin6888 here is one site... http://neighborhoodfruit.com/
[18:45] <kevin6888> iheartubuntu: this oughta be good...
[18:45] <The_Letter_M> Good Morning everyone
[18:45] <u_dp_> :) sounds like um.. ignite talks
[18:45] <iheartubuntu> there is another better one but i cant seem to find it
[18:45] <iheartubuntu> hello Letter M
[18:46] <kevin6888> iheartubuntu: looks like it isn't quite there yet
[18:46] <kevin6888> gasho The_Letter_M
[18:47] <nhaines> u_dp_: yeah, that's just what UpScale was modeled after.
[18:47] <The_Letter_M> So I went and bought me a Net Top just for Ubuntu
[18:47] <u_dp_> :D
[18:47] <The_Letter_M> It runs really well
[18:47]  * iheartubuntu eats own dog food (peanut butter flavor)
[18:47] <u_dp_> i think i'm gonna buy a used thinkpad for ubuntu
[18:47] <nhaines> I'm waiting for a compelling tablet.
[18:47] <iheartubuntu> net top from sys76?
[18:48] <The_Letter_M> It's the new Acer Veriton with the Nvidia Ion 2 GPU
[18:48] <u_dp_> The_Letter_M: which model did u get
[18:48] <u_dp_> o
[18:49] <The_Letter_M> It came with Win 7 Pro, would I contact Acer or MS about getting money back on it
[18:49] <The_Letter_M> ??
[18:49] <nhaines> The_Letter_M: Acer.
[18:49] <u_dp_> agreed
[18:49] <nhaines> The_Letter_M: as far as Microsoft is concerned, you are not their customer at this point.
[18:49] <u_dp_> yea acer is required to dump it on computers per their agreement
[18:49] <nhaines> The OEM (Acer) also has to provide any tech support.  :)
[18:50] <nhaines> It's not so much that Acer must install it, just that an OEM with a volume license has to act as the point of contact for the customer.
[18:50] <nhaines> That's why retail boxes are so much more expensive--you're paying for support from Microsoft as well.
[18:51] <u_dp_> well you're covering the overhead costs of the software licenses too
[18:51] <The_Letter_M> Ahh
[18:51] <The_Letter_M> True dat
[18:51] <iheartubuntu> http://blogs.laweekly.com/squidink/2010/05/foraging_in_los_angeles.php
[18:52] <iheartubuntu> http://www.fallenfruit.org/
[18:54] <The_Letter_M> Here's a link of what I bought: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Acer-PS.VBH03.006/15571873
[18:54] <The_Letter_M> Newegg doesn't have it on their site right now for some reason
[18:55] <kevin6888> iheartubuntu: are you literally eating dog food?
[18:55] <u_dp_> cool
[18:55] <akk> iceplant is edible? 8-o
[18:56] <u_dp_> weird
[18:57] <u_dp_> from what i know it's an invasive plant that's pretty hard to get rid of
[18:57] <u_dp_> it's good for soil retention though on
[18:57] <akk> They don't mention the one native thing I know I can eat here, miner's lettuce ... maybe that isn't so common in SoCal.
[18:57] <akk> There's not much on that list that would sustain a person for long, though.
[18:57] <kevin6888> hmmm, snails...i wonder how many snails i'd have to eat to survive
[18:58] <iheartubuntu> 24 a day. one per hour
[18:59] <iheartubuntu> i have eaten dog food before, yes
[18:59] <kevin6888> i think it's safe to say, if you don't have your own land, you're going to have to eat other animals
[18:59] <kevin6888> why would you do that iheartubuntu ?
[18:59] <iheartubuntu> try BG... Before Grain... excellent dog food!
[19:00] <iheartubuntu> it is designed to mimic the foods dogs would eat if in the wild
[19:00] <kevin6888> how mysterious
[19:00] <kevin6888> so it tastes like caribou or something?
[19:00] <iheartubuntu> there are some other very good natural dog foods... EVO is another one
[19:00] <nhaines> "Before Gain" sounds better than "Kitties and Grass".
[19:00] <iheartubuntu> hahahaaa
[19:00] <nhaines> s/Gain/Grain/
[19:00] <kevin6888> or scavenged lion meat?
[19:01] <iheartubuntu> price wise.... dog food is an excellent value for the money and it saves me a ton of money on TP
[19:02] <iheartubuntu> ok ok everyone im joking around :)
[19:03] <kevin6888> i would think a bag of beans and bread would be cheaper
[19:03] <iheartubuntu> jeez
[19:03] <kevin6888> quality dog food is pricey
[19:03] <kevin6888> unless it's the dried stuff
[19:03] <kevin6888> i wonder how hungry i would have to be to eat dog food
[19:04] <iheartubuntu> if only it had more flavor
[19:04] <kevin6888> probably 2 days is my limit, before i'd pretty much eat anything
[19:04] <kevin6888> when you're hungry, anything edible tastes good
[19:06] <iheartubuntu> we are taking IRC to a whole new level
[19:09] <nhaines> Dogs don't have a strong sense of taste and gain most enjoyment of their food by the smell, which is why dog food is aromatic but bland in taste.
[19:14] <u_dp_> i'm having fun pretending to be extremely paranoid on #ubuntu-locoteam
[19:16] <u_dp_> i explained that i didn't have a cd drive to install ubuntu
[19:16] <u_dp_> and that my usb ports were epoxied for air gap
[19:16] <The_Letter_M> lol
[19:16] <jtatum> trolling on irc is not cool :(
[19:17] <The_Letter_M> lol
[19:17] <u_dp_> how is it trolling i'm just curious to see who is more security minded than me :(
[19:17] <kevin6888> maybe you should try #ubuntu-security u_dp_
[19:17] <u_dp_> will do
[19:18] <The_Letter_M> On the Aniverse IRC I once made the mistake of calling an Op an A-Hole
[19:18] <The_Letter_M> I was then banned for several months
[19:18] <kevin6888> i doubt you have a level of paranoia that they won't be able to solve
[19:18] <nhaines> The_Letter_M: thus learning a valuable lesoon.
[19:18] <jtatum> because people are taking their unpaid time out to help you with your fictitious problem
[19:18] <The_Letter_M> lol
[19:18] <u_dp_> fiction is awesome though
[19:19] <kevin6888> wait, i don't see the connection between cd, usb, and paranoia
[19:19] <kevin6888> actually, some fiction is not awesome
[19:19] <u_dp_> well i air gapped my desktop with a faraday cage
[19:19] <u_dp_> :D
[19:19] <iheartubuntu> did it work
[19:19] <u_dp_> hypothetically yes
[19:20] <u_dp_> but my question is what's the best way to install ubuntu then
[19:20] <kevin6888> hypothetically i can fly
[19:20] <iheartubuntu> att tech support once told me to build a wooden cage around my wifi box to fix my problems
[19:20] <jtatum> you claim you don't see how that's a troll, but i think you're trolling me too :)
[19:20] <iheartubuntu> i built a wooden cage around my wifi device
[19:20] <iheartubuntu> it worked
[19:20] <u_dp_> apparently trolls are people who ask you how to be creative in solutions
[19:20] <u_dp_> :(
[19:21] <iheartubuntu> maybe i created a faraday cage around it
[19:21] <iheartubuntu> hypothetically
[19:21] <u_dp_> it worked to do what iheartubuntu?
[19:21] <u_dp_> wooden boxes aren't faraday cages tho..
[19:21] <iheartubuntu> an offshore worker from india told me to build a wooden cage around my wifi. i guess thats what they do there?
[19:21] <iheartubuntu> anyhow, it worked
[19:22] <u_dp_> it worked to do what? make it extremely hot and not block emr?
[19:22] <iheartubuntu> for several years in fact, until i got an all in one DSL/wifi box
[19:22] <iheartubuntu> it was a cage, not realyl a box
[19:22] <u_dp_> what else did you store in your wooden cage?
[19:22] <iheartubuntu> my children
[19:23] <iheartubuntu> i fed them dog food. in a tunnel.
[19:23] <iheartubuntu> i love IRC
[19:23] <u_dp_> all this hypothetical stuff must be trolling
[19:24] <u_dp_> The_Letter_M: i just saw the rating of that device 1 star :O
[19:24] <The_Letter_M> lol
[19:24] <The_Letter_M> It's because the moron didn't know what they were buying
[19:25] <iheartubuntu> but i did build a wooden cage... http://sixty8doors.deviantart.com/gallery/?offset=48#/danxns
[19:25] <The_Letter_M> You can even see in the picture there is no optical drive
[19:25] <iheartubuntu> my bad... it was the dsl router, not the wifi
[19:26] <The_Letter_M> it's mostly Wal-Marts fault for not actually writing a description but copy/pasting one
[19:26] <u_dp_> iheartubuntu: <3
[19:26] <The_Letter_M> Like they wrote that it has a DVD Combo Drive and PS2 ports for the mouse and KB
[19:28] <u_dp_> i admire both your art of irc manipulation and your woodwork
[19:29] <u_dp_> The_Letter_M: you should one up that sad lonely star
[19:29] <u_dp_> (and comment)
[19:29] <The_Letter_M> I did
[19:30] <u_dp_> oh?
[19:30] <The_Letter_M> I gave a 5 star review and explained what people should know
[19:30] <The_Letter_M> but it has to go through a review process before it's public
[19:30] <u_dp_> gotcha
[19:30] <u_dp_> :)
[19:32] <The_Letter_M> Anyone else think Twitter is like a large passive IRC room?
[19:32] <u_dp_> crap, i see iheartubuntu's brother built the box
[19:33] <u_dp_> The_Letter_M: yeah, it's a testament to an increasing detachment from humanity
[19:33] <u_dp_> when irc was, at inception a tool for connection for humans
[19:33] <The_Letter_M> yeah
[19:33] <akk> The_Letter_M: I view twitter in xchat via bitlbee, so it IS an IRC room to me.
[19:33] <The_Letter_M> lmao
[19:33] <The_Letter_M> interesting
[19:33] <The_Letter_M> but it does make sense
[19:34] <u_dp_> still, that's an abstraction
[19:35] <u_dp_> has anyone done any twitter bot work?
[19:36] <iheartubuntu> high radiation levels across the board in america now compared to when the earthquakes & disasters first hit
[19:42] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: define "high"
[19:42] <nhaines> No, better: what are the radiation levels?  :)
[19:42] <iheartubuntu> i meant higher
[19:42] <iheartubuntu> whoops
[19:42] <iheartubuntu> radiationnetwork.com
[19:42] <iheartubuntu> i dont know if thats it
[19:43] <iheartubuntu> most all of those were in the low teens
[19:43] <iheartubuntu> im seeing 30s 40s and some 50s now daily
[19:44] <iheartubuntu> there is another link my brother in japan sent me... cant find it anytmore. a US gov site showing the daily radiation clouds coming from fukishima
[19:46] <u_dp_> :/
[19:46] <iheartubuntu> i also read a report than european health commission is advising people in europe not to eat euro meat or drink cows milk for 6 months.
[19:46] <iheartubuntu> they are a lot further away than we are
[19:47] <u_dp_> thats crazy
[19:51] <nhaines> What unit of measure are they using?
[19:53] <kevin6888> it is interesting, if things really went to hell in a handbasket how long would it take for the rest of us to find out?
[19:53] <kevin6888> -?
[19:56] <The_Letter_M> iheartubuntu, do you listen to Alex Jones?
[19:57] <iheartubuntu> i have before yah
[19:57] <The_Letter_M> He's been talking about that
[19:58] <The_Letter_M> about veggies and milk in Europe and they won't eat them for 6 months
[19:58] <iheartubuntu> actually he in a round about way got me into ubuntu
[19:58] <The_Letter_M> and we're closer to Japan and our govt pretends everything is fine
[19:58] <The_Letter_M> oh?
[19:58] <kevin6888> watt?  that's mysterious
[19:59] <kevin6888> let me grab another cola, do tell iheartubuntu
[19:59] <iheartubuntu> it was after katrina. someone sent me a video about bush/katrina.. it was an AJ video
[19:59] <iheartubuntu> woke me up to the government
[20:00] <akk> I'm a lot more worried about mercury and antibiotic resistance than about radiation from Japan. But worrying about things the gov't is ignoring is too much like a full-time job.
[20:00] <iheartubuntu> i dont trust any gov now :)
[20:00] <iheartubuntu> i cant listen to alex all the time though
[20:00] <iheartubuntu> he gets pretty hyped up
[20:00] <iheartubuntu> i like katherine albrecht a lot
[20:01] <iheartubuntu> im also interested in the gov controlling my food supply
[20:01] <iheartubuntu> and me growing my own food
[20:01] <The_Letter_M> but what about AJ got you into Ubuntu?
[20:01] <iheartubuntu> he talked about ubuntu and linux a few times back in 2005 i think it was
[20:01] <The_Letter_M> oh
[20:01] <iheartubuntu> i dont hear him talk about it anymore when i tune in
[20:01] <kevin6888> i'm a libertarian socialist, i'm not sure i trust anybody :|
[20:01] <kevin6888> except you guys of course
[20:01] <iheartubuntu> i didnt get into ubuntu though until 06
[20:02] <The_Letter_M> lol
[20:02] <The_Letter_M> Those contradict each other
[20:02] <kevin6888> '06?  i didn't get into it until '08
[20:02] <The_Letter_M> the Libertarian Socialist thing
[20:02] <kevin6888> you've been using ubuntu longer than i have...
[20:02] <nhaines> I got into Ubuntu in May 2005.
[20:02] <kevin6888> i used to think that too The_Letter_M
[20:02] <u_dp_> i was into bsd before ubuntu was born
[20:02] <iheartubuntu> i like the dont tread on me philosophy. let people be
[20:03] <kevin6888> i tried BSD when i was a teenager, couldn't get x working and abandoned it
[20:03] <u_dp_> lol
[20:03] <iheartubuntu> did we get anyone from cal state LA last night?
[20:03] <kevin6888> it didn't like my trident video card :(
[20:04] <kevin6888> was chris from cal state la?
[20:04] <The_Letter_M> I got into Linux in 96 with Mandrake 6.0
[20:04] <iheartubuntu> i think he was from another planet
[20:04] <The_Letter_M> I had a copy of Slackware and Turbo linux sometime before that, but never tried them
[20:05] <iheartubuntu> whats wierd is it felt like i had met him before in a past life
[20:05] <kevin6888> i installed linux for the first time in like 2000 when i was network admin/ a/v jr. engineer at a small company i worked for
[20:05] <u_dp_> what meeting were you guys at?
[20:05] <kevin6888> so cal here, LA
[20:05] <u_dp_> i see
[20:05] <u_dp_> i was at one last night to, san jose, ca
[20:05] <kevin6888> iheartubuntu: that is mysterious
[20:06] <kevin6888> u_dp_: did you see Drew?  i haven't met him, but he seems cool
[20:06] <u_dp_> yes i met him :)
[20:06] <u_dp_> i wasn't sure it was the same guy
[20:06] <u_dp_> he had cornrows instead of big hair
[20:07] <kevin6888> i was in SF for a little while, i should've went to another meet up aside from just SF
[20:07] <u_dp_> what's his alias on here?
[20:07] <u_dp_> just Drew?
[20:07] <kevin6888> but i was worn out
[20:07] <u_dp_> there's one next week in mountainview
[20:07] <kevin6888> i dunno, he hasn't been on in awhile.  it used to be nuboon2age i think
[20:07] <u_dp_> ah
[20:08] <akk> he was on as nuboon2age yesterday or the day before
[20:08] <The_Letter_M> kevin6888, you never explained your Libertarian / Socialist thing
[20:09] <kevin6888> akk: ah, maybe i just haven't been paying enough attention
[20:09] <kevin6888> well, i wasn't on last night
[20:09] <The_Letter_M> Lib want small minimal govt and Soc want big govt that micro manage everything
[20:09] <kevin6888> The_Letter_M: i got it from Noam Chomsky, pondered it, and was like "hey yeah."
[20:10] <The_Letter_M> Care to pass it on then?
[20:10] <The_Letter_M> enlighten us
[20:10] <kevin6888> hmmm, i'm not really sure that i can
[20:11] <kevin6888> i think i just see it as something flexible and adaptable
[20:11] <u_dp_> i don't think it's as categorical as you're making it The_Letter_M
[20:11] <kevin6888> the rigidity of politics is one of the problems
[20:12] <kevin6888> i have considered that "libertarian socialism" is simply "anarchy", but that doesn't quite work
[20:12] <u_dp_> i just see socialism as the flattening of heirarchies
[20:12] <kevin6888> i might call it "pragmatism" but that is boring
[20:12] <kevin6888> nobody cares if you say "pragmatism"
[20:12] <kevin6888> besides, finding out what actually works is probably somewhat painful
[20:12] <kevin6888> u_dp_: interesting.  hadn't heard that before
[20:13] <u_dp_> well what i mean is
[20:13] <u_dp_> instead of it being: libertarian minimal govt & socialism big government
[20:13] <iheartubuntu> there was a communist chinese at my wifes accounting meeting the other day and they were having a discussion... he says big companies like facebook should be nationalized and no one really said anything except my wife
[20:13] <u_dp_> it seems to me it's
[20:13] <iheartubuntu> who grew up in SU
[20:14] <u_dp_> SU?
[20:14] <iheartubuntu> soviet union
[20:14] <The_Letter_M> not I
[20:14] <u_dp_> oh
[20:14] <The_Letter_M> I'm from the East Bay
[20:14] <The_Letter_M> born and raised
[20:14] <iheartubuntu> so the chinese guy was saying when companies get THAT BIG they should be sharing the wealth
[20:14] <kevin6888> well, something like facebook should be given to the people...
[20:15] <kevin6888> how to do that is the problem i guess
[20:15] <kevin6888> i dunno, i don't really think much on politics anymore
[20:15] <kevin6888> it's a whole lots of "blahs"
[20:15] <iheartubuntu> if i built my own company and made billions, i would not be thrilled with someone taking it from me
[20:16] <The_Letter_M> ditto
[20:16] <u_dp_> cuz you're capitalists
[20:16] <The_Letter_M> I can handle giving money to charity
[20:16] <The_Letter_M> but I can't handle the govt taking my money and calling it "charity"
[20:17] <nhaines> The_Letter_M: you've been voluntold.
[20:17] <The_Letter_M> lol
[20:17] <u_dp_> :D
[20:17] <iheartubuntu> even Ubuntu being free, has a business plan
[20:18] <iheartubuntu> its great that it is free, but in order to sustain itself it needs other revenue sources
[20:18] <The_Letter_M> Whenever I hear about govt getting into an industry like healthcare
[20:18] <iheartubuntu> and i think it works out great actually.
[20:18] <The_Letter_M> I think of those angry mexican women at the DMV who don't speak much english and treat me like crap
[20:18] <iheartubuntu> cloud computing like U1 is smart
[20:19] <u_dp_> what do the mexican workers at dmv have to do with healthcare?
[20:19] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: you're thinking about Canonical, not Ubuntu.
[20:19] <iheartubuntu> i dont really think about mexican people.
[20:19] <The_Letter_M> I picture them at the front desk when I go to the hospital
[20:19] <iheartubuntu> our jobs are going to chinese people who make $1 a day
[20:19] <The_Letter_M> and they just walk away saying "I'm on break, talk to somebody else"
[20:19] <iheartubuntu> im not worried about mexicans or other nationalities here trying to make a living
[20:19] <kevin6888> canonical is a subset of ubuntu
[20:20] <The_Letter_M> I'm not trying to single them out
[20:20] <u_dp_> 3 conversations 1 stream, threading, priceless
[20:20] <nhaines> kevin6888: no it's not.
[20:20] <The_Letter_M> but when I got my drivers license, I went to the DMV in Pittsburg and they have all these latina women that work there
[20:20] <kevin6888> nhaines: i hear you
[20:20] <u_dp_> dude
[20:20] <nhaines> kevin6888: no you don't.
[20:20] <u_dp_> that's all because of capitalism
[20:21] <kevin6888> :)
[20:21] <The_Letter_M> My dad was there renewing registration and had been in line for 3 hours
[20:21] <u_dp_> how are you going to convince some american workers to go work at a dmv for min wage
[20:21] <The_Letter_M> he was next in line and it hit 6 o'clock
[20:21] <u_dp_> yeah that's a government organization issue
[20:21] <The_Letter_M> so she shut the window in his face and was like "screw you"
[20:21] <u_dp_> statewide
[20:21] <kevin6888> i'd work at dmv for min wage
[20:21] <kevin6888> people don't realize how high min wage is, until they don't have anything to eat
[20:21] <u_dp_> so do it
[20:22] <kevin6888> they aren't hiring
[20:22] <u_dp_> i don't understand the indignation of outsourcing when no one is willing to work for that wage there
[20:22] <u_dp_> here*
[20:22] <kevin6888> i would
[20:22] <kevin6888> $10/hr is great when you've been unemployed for as long as i have
[20:23] <The_Letter_M> lol
[20:23] <u_dp_> who said anything about $10 an hour
[20:23] <kevin6888> but for some reason, companies aren't hiring at that rate
[20:23] <The_Letter_M> Average pay where I live now in Utah is $9 an hour
[20:23] <kevin6888> that's what an indian with a degree in comp sci makes on average
[20:23] <kevin6888> i think my experience and degree in info sys is equivalent to that
[20:23] <u_dp_> yeah that has a masters degree
[20:23] <kevin6888> not what i heard
[20:23]  * kevin6888 shrugs
[20:24] <kevin6888> could be though
[20:24] <u_dp_> i think about that in terms of volume
[20:24] <u_dp_> they gear their youth for primarily one of two positions
[20:24] <u_dp_> engineering or medicine
[20:25] <The_Letter_M> or call centers
[20:25] <u_dp_> and at their volume, think of how much it compares to here
[20:25] <kevin6888> competition is crazy there
[20:25] <u_dp_> yeah i think that stuff filters out of having large numbers of engineers running tech companies
[20:25] <kevin6888> i heard something on npr, when i was interviewing at Disneyland
[20:25] <u_dp_> we have like some small percent of our micro population compared to there
[20:25] <kevin6888> it was like the interview, just to ween out the rest, was like something out of jeopardy
[20:26] <u_dp_> yea think about testing in a 98 percentile of the number of applicants they have
[20:26] <kevin6888> that's why i wish i had taken food sources more seriously
[20:26] <kevin6888> if they have the jobs, they probably get the food too
[20:27] <u_dp_> yea
[20:28] <kevin6888> which just increases the cost of oil...
[20:28] <u_dp_> hah
[20:28] <u_dp_> vicariously
[20:28] <kevin6888> but then, i'm not really a fan of importing food either, doesn't seem sustainable
[20:28] <u_dp_> but many things increase the cost of oil
[20:28] <kevin6888> not without renewable energy
[20:28] <u_dp_> which is leveraged by war deb
[20:29] <u_dp_> debt
[20:29] <u_dp_> (and paid for)
[20:29] <kevin6888> maybe the goal is to have 1/2 the population working for DOD
[20:29] <kevin6888> dept
[20:29] <kevin6888> oh, debt
[20:29] <kevin6888> i see
[20:29] <kevin6888> i'm going to check dmv's website, just for the hell of it
[20:30] <u_dp_> yeah importing is a luxury in some cases
[20:30] <u_dp_> i wonder if logistics companies know the real cost of their transportation
[20:30] <u_dp_> i mean i think we all sort of do
[20:30] <u_dp_> just like our own transportation
[20:30] <u_dp_> but we don't think of it outside of aggregates
[20:30] <u_dp_> in individuals the contributions are seemingly miniscule
[20:32] <buddyjr> we don't think of it until it directly affects us
[20:33] <kevin6888> it directly affects me, so i think about it
[20:36] <iheartubuntu> there is a DEB for war?
[20:37] <kevin6888> iheartubuntu: yeah, the total annihilation rts
[20:37] <kevin6888> i forget what it's called already
[20:37] <kevin6888> the package, that is
[20:37] <iheartubuntu> kev - i used to a have a friend whos sister worked at disneyland... she never had a reg work hour. she had to call every night before to see if she was on the work list for the next day
[20:38] <kevin6888> iheartubuntu: yeah, i think i heard that
[20:38] <kevin6888> well, gives me more time to meditate
[20:38] <kevin6888> speaking of which, i should get my move on
[20:39] <iheartubuntu> to where?
[20:40] <kevin6888> to locations within this room
[20:40] <iheartubuntu> ok :)
[20:40] <kevin6888> movement
[20:40] <iheartubuntu> at high speed?
[20:40] <kevin6888> nah, probably not
[20:41] <iheartubuntu> natty seems more stable after recent updates
[20:41] <iheartubuntu> i still cant get my invest panel app working
[20:44] <iheartubuntu> ahhhh mcdonalds
[20:44] <iheartubuntu> ahhhhh now i cant breathe
[20:46] <iheartubuntu> i think the lug helped the turnout of the pasadena ubuntu hour
[20:47] <iheartubuntu> what, 4 of us were from ubuntu here, 3 from the lug mailing list and 1 guy somehow found us on the net or from the flyers
[20:49] <u_dp_> haha
[20:51] <u_dp_> that last guy could have been from the steam tunnels whilest escaping from their wooden faraday cage whose job was outsourced for $1 to workers in china
[20:52] <iheartubuntu> we could start an ubuntu/foraging/tunneling meetup
[20:52] <iheartubuntu> that pretty much summed up this chat u_dp_
[20:52] <kevin6888> i would be interested in this iheartubuntu
[20:52] <kevin6888> "parkour at caltech"
[20:53] <iheartubuntu> yesterday included topics such as ravi shankar and yogi mystics
[20:53] <kevin6888> oh yeah, i realized something aquaman is good for.  flow.  :)
[20:53] <iheartubuntu> haha
[20:54] <u_dp_> as in vaginal or digital?
[20:54] <u_dp_> i don't know the context of this aquaman
[20:55] <kevin6888> as in oceans and seas
[20:55] <kevin6888> The Aquaman
[20:55] <kevin6888> DC
[20:55] <u_dp_> like the hero?
[20:55] <u_dp_> :D
[20:55] <kevin6888> yeah
[20:55] <u_dp_> well the operative word i was working on was "flow" not aquaman
[20:56] <u_dp_> as it should be assumed that aquaman is based on the dc character of the same name
[20:56] <kevin6888> well yesterday i said aquaman was irrelevant
[20:56] <kevin6888> relative to superman's flight and batman's resourcefulness
[20:56] <kevin6888> wrt something iheartubuntu said about 'vision'
[20:56] <u_dp_> i thought mcguyver was resourceful
[20:56] <kevin6888> Deadpool realized he was in a comic book
[20:57] <kevin6888> what if we are too :o
[20:57] <u_dp_> is that even a question
[20:57] <kevin6888> oh yeah, didn't he have an ipad?
[20:57] <iheartubuntu> i will be attending a new tv show taping tonite. i have no idea what its about
[20:57] <u_dp_> seems so rhetorical it must be true
[20:57] <kevin6888> there is no ?
[20:58] <kevin6888> iheartubuntu: ok
[20:58] <iheartubuntu> it better be good
[20:58] <u_dp_> kevin6888: must be true
[20:58] <kevin6888> all right, new project, unless i forget in the next 10 min while working on my bot:  get wireless set up without nm-applet
[20:58] <iheartubuntu> maybe i can give some ubuntu discs to the actors and actresses
[20:58] <u_dp_> what bot?
[20:59] <kevin6888> u_dp_: we better start learning what it is we're fighting for then
[20:59] <kevin6888> u_dp_: some perl bot
[20:59] <kevin6888> without nm-applet = without gnome
[21:00] <iheartubuntu> i saw a corel painter at the bookstore the other day. does ubuntu have anything similar? krita maybe?
[21:00] <kevin6888> painter?  how is that different from gimp?
[21:00] <iheartubuntu> you can have a clean desktop if you turn off your computer!
[21:00] <iheartubuntu> apparently corel painter has realistic brushes an such
[21:00] <iheartubuntu> i have never used it
[21:01] <kevin6888> ah, realistic brushes, interesting
[21:01] <iheartubuntu> maybe there are extra brushes for gimp out on the net
[21:01] <kevin6888> so, say tomorrow ubuntu gets 99% market share
[21:01] <iheartubuntu> im listening
[21:01] <kevin6888> would then all the hardware companies fork it?
[21:01] <iheartubuntu> fork you
[21:02] <kevin6888> there is no fork
[21:02] <iheartubuntu> all companies would have to, right?
[21:02] <kevin6888> i dunno, but they may want to
[21:03] <kevin6888> hmmm, maybe not
[21:03] <u_dp_> are you trolling?
[21:03] <u_dp_> ;)
[21:04]  * iheartubuntu hates when people give me youtube links that go full size
[21:04]  * iheartubuntu hates trollers
[21:05] <iheartubuntu> tro lo lo 'ers are ok tho
[21:05] <iheartubuntu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNxygsLGHSQ
[21:05] <kevin6888> i don't ever troll, actually
[21:06] <u_dp_> sounds convincing
[21:06] <kevin6888> i think trolling requires intent
[21:06] <u_dp_> someone just gave me some salesforce app programming book
[21:06] <kevin6888> you couldn't get flash working in natty iheartubuntu ?
[21:07] <u_dp_> what do you guys think of the cloud stuff ubuntu is getting into?
[21:07] <iheartubuntu> "I want this song to greet me when I go to﻿ heaven"
[21:07] <u_dp_> i just read a little about it last night
[21:07] <iheartubuntu> i use ubuntuone
[21:07] <u_dp_> it's kinda like dropbox + mobileme?
[21:08] <kevin6888> i dunno why, but this dude reminds me of human trafficing
[21:08] <iheartubuntu> he invented tro'lling :)
[21:08] <kevin6888> iheartubuntu: i think you found the new "rick rolled" video
[21:09] <iheartubuntu> i want this song to come on when i receive mail in my inbox
[21:09] <kevin6888> i gotta' find something like the alarm i have on my phone
[21:09] <kevin6888> it's all peaceful and junk
[21:10] <kevin6888> makes me think i'm laying on a beach in Cuba or something :P
[21:11] <iheartubuntu> the tro lo lo man is almost a form of meditation seidos
[21:11] <iheartubuntu> if you too sing along you can become one
[21:11] <iheartubuntu> ho ho hoo!
[21:11]  * iheartubuntu needs to download tro lo lo man and put the video on loop
[21:12] <iheartubuntu> la la laaaaa la laa la
[21:12] <kevin6888> er, that is some object of meditation you got there iheartubuntu
[21:12] <kevin6888> unfortunately, if you're away from your computer...
[21:12] <iheartubuntu> you can always walk down the street singing it
[21:13] <iheartubuntu> im ure you would put a smile on peoples faces
[21:13] <iheartubuntu> sure
[21:13] <kevin6888> hey, cool, "always on top" + resized terminal is like an "omni bar" of sorts
[21:13] <iheartubuntu> then, hand them an ubuntu disc
[21:13] <kevin6888> i really better not
[21:13] <kevin6888> people don't want to hear acapella music
[21:13] <iheartubuntu> ok, we can sing together
[21:13] <kevin6888> especially from me
[21:14] <iheartubuntu> we can get an entire community to sing it all at once. it could be the next thing
[21:14] <kevin6888> well...perhaps not especially
[21:14]  * iheartubuntu will use tro lo lo singing in next ubuntu ad
[21:14] <kevin6888> i will forget the lyrics
[21:15] <iheartubuntu> is using clipgrab to capture the vid and will loop it the rest of today. im curious if my co-workers will get sick of it
[21:16] <kevin6888> hmmm, i should download a debian iso
[21:16] <kevin6888> i wonder if i could make a live usb from it
[21:16] <kevin6888> using startup disc creator
[21:17] <iheartubuntu> the one in ubuntu?
[21:19] <kevin6888> that's the only "usb startup disc creator" i know of
[21:20] <buddyjr> i tried dd, but i've never gotten that to work
[21:20] <kevin6888> buddyjr: shhh
[21:20] <akk> dd works with fedora but not with ubuntu.
[21:20] <buddyjr> it's worked for you personally, akk ?
[21:20] <akk> yep
[21:21] <kevin6888> i didn't know you used fedora akk
[21:21] <kevin6888> you do it with the iso file, right?
[21:21] <akk> I needed a live usb stick, and fedora let me create one, ubuntu wouldn't.
[21:21] <kevin6888> i don't understand
[21:21] <akk> The ubuntu ways all assume you're running a gnome desktop of the same ubuntu version you're trying to burn.
[21:22] <kevin6888> so all you had was a terminal, and you got the fedora one working
[21:22] <u_dp_> lunch time peeps
[21:22] <u_dp_> cya
[21:22] <akk> yep, just a simple dd and I had a bootable usb stick.
[21:23] <kevin6888> i did this:  dd if=F12-Live-i686.iso of=/dev/sdb1 bs=8M
[21:23] <akk> Last time I tried to do that with ubuntu I spent about 4 hours trying 3 different methods and finally gave up.
[21:23] <kevin6888> whoa, that's weird
[21:23] <kevin6888> fedora 12?
[21:23] <akk> can't remember -- it was probably a little under a year ago
[21:23] <kevin6888> i got that off the fedora website
[21:24] <kevin6888> rats
[21:24] <akk> I thought I remembered dd to /dev/sdb, not sdb1
[21:24] <akk> since it needs a boot block
[21:24] <kevin6888> hmmm, that would explain why the original was "sdX" or something
[21:24] <kevin6888> i'll try that
[21:24] <kevin6888> i'm going to see about installing debian first though
[21:24] <kevin6888> thanks akk
[21:25] <kevin6888> for the info
[21:25] <kevin6888> i'll thank you again if it works :)
[21:25] <akk> yeah, there was no 1. Here's what I did: http://shallowsky.com/blog/linux/install/fedora-live-usb.html
[21:39] <kevin6888> yeah, saw that
[21:39] <kevin6888> i'm going to try it after i look at these dmv exams
[21:39] <kevin6888> it looks like i don't have enough experience to be a dmv custodian :|
[21:44] <iheartubuntu> Lake Arrowhead sounds like a nice place to relax this weekend
[21:45]  * iheartubuntu is curious what The_Letter_M stand for
[21:47] <kevin6888> the Letter M was a movie
[21:47] <kevin6888> German foreign flick
[21:47] <iheartubuntu> kevin what was this genius movie??
[21:48] <kevin6888> "real genius"
[21:48] <kevin6888> 80s flick
[21:48] <kevin6888> one of my favorites, really
[21:48] <iheartubuntu> i will have to watch it again
[21:49] <kevin6888> yeah, if you have time
[21:49] <kevin6888> have you ever gotten wireless working from a terminal iheartubuntu ?
[21:49] <iheartubuntu> ive never tried
[21:49] <kevin6888> i am thinking if i can get that working, i should be able to configure my own iso
[21:50] <iheartubuntu> what would be on the ISO
[21:50] <kevin6888> i've tried, never succeeded
[21:50] <kevin6888> i think it may have something to do with my wireless chipset
[21:50] <kevin6888> the packages i like to have installed on ubuntu
[21:51] <kevin6888> i'd like to install from alternate iso, then install packages i want, then build the iso
[21:51] <jtatum> kevin6888: jockey is the restricted hardware tool. it can be run from command line
[21:51] <iheartubuntu> i just received a phone call.. Salem OH (1234567890)
[21:52] <iheartubuntu> i didnt answer
[21:52] <iheartubuntu> that cant be a real phone # :)
[21:52] <kevin6888> jtatum: i'll look into that
[21:52] <kevin6888> odd
[21:53] <akk> The arch wiki has a great page on wireless from the commandline: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wireless_Setup
[21:53] <akk> I have a python library/script for wireless config, and I found that page very helpful while writing it.
[21:53] <iheartubuntu> i was shocked houston didnt get a retiring space shuttle
[21:55] <buddyjr> akk: cool, thanks
[21:55] <jtatum> i still like jockey's cli, lets you enable and disable wireless and video drivers
[21:56] <kevin6888> cool, i just avoided a quagmire
[21:56] <kevin6888> oh wait, i'm swampy, i'm supposed to enjoy quagmires
[21:57] <kevin6888> demarest = "from the swamp"
[21:59] <erichammond> iheartubuntu: It's not impossible to fake the caller id ;-)
[22:01] <buddyjr> kevin6888: no you didn't
[22:01]  * buddyjr pats "swampy" on the head
[22:01] <kevin6888> buddyjr: you're lucky we're buddies
[22:03] <u_dp_> hi
[22:03] <kevin6888> hi u_dp_
[22:04] <kevin6888> so i just had a realization, it seems the unity launch bar should be at the bottom of the screen when viewing the screen wide
[22:05] <u_dp_> hey guys, do you know much about vitualization?
[22:07] <kevin6888> i've used vbox
[22:07] <kevin6888> that's about it, so no, not really
[22:07] <u_dp_> darn
[22:07] <kevin6888> mental note, don't delete stuff until i have an out of space message :|
[22:08] <u_dp_> does that include irc logs with mental notes?
[22:08] <buddyjr> definitely
[22:08] <u_dp_> so um
[22:08] <u_dp_> how do you guys keep irc logs?
[22:08] <kevin6888> buddyjr: :|
[22:08] <u_dp_> i never got in the habit
[22:09] <kevin6888> what client do you use?
[22:09] <u_dp_> is it up to my client mainly?
[22:09] <kevin6888> oh well there's irclogs.ubuntu.com
[22:09] <u_dp_> well at this very moment i'm logged in with webchat.freenode.net web client
[22:09] <u_dp_> but, i mean in the future when i'm on my own server
[22:10] <kevin6888> client
[22:10] <akk> xchat has a preference to save logs, or not.
[22:10] <u_dp_> well technically i'd be on my own server, using an irc client
[22:10] <u_dp_> anyone use irssi?
[22:11] <u_dp_> http://www.irssi.org/documentation/manual   search:Logging
[22:11] <buddyjr> hey u_dp_ what does your nickname mean?
[22:12] <u_dp_> i'm not really sure
[22:12] <u_dp_> my initials are dp
[22:12] <u_dp_> dp was taken
[22:12] <u_dp_> and i'm on the ubuntu site
[22:12] <buddyjr> how funny, my bot has a !dp command
[22:12] <u_dp_> and since i'm logged in here twice i have an underscore after my name
[22:12] <kevin6888> it's not your bot buddyjr, it's mine
[22:13] <u_dp_> (i'm also on #ubuntu-locoteams
[22:13] <u_dp_> )
[22:13] <u_dp_> is this the perl bot you were referring to?
[22:13] <kevin6888> i thought maybe you had found me from #buddhism on undernet or something
[22:13] <u_dp_> no, but i do have that interest
[22:14] <kevin6888> yep
[22:14] <u_dp_> and i have lived on undernet for a brief period
[22:14] <kevin6888> you are interested in the dhammapada?
[22:14] <u_dp_> not currently, mainly because i read most of it
[22:14] <u_dp_> but yes :)
[22:14] <kevin6888> i haven't "lived" on undernet
[22:14] <u_dp_> lol
[22:14] <kevin6888> i just started there like a year ago
[22:14] <iheartubuntu> has anyone heard of meat glue before?
[22:14] <iheartubuntu> http://d.yimg.com/nl/australia/site/player.swf?vid=24472661&repeat=0&browse
[22:14] <kevin6888> a friend of mind recommended their philosophy channel
[22:15] <u_dp_> it sounds disgusting.
[22:15] <u_dp_> and that link isn't working for me :(
[22:15] <u_dp_> oh there it goes
[22:15] <u_dp_> this doesn't look promising
[22:16] <kevin6888> have you guys heard of mechanically separated meat?
[22:16] <u_dp_> isn't that called modern meat processing?
[22:17] <buddyjr> i thinks msm would be a subset of mmp
[22:17] <kevin6888> dammit, i should minimize that
[22:17] <u_dp_> i can't finish watching it
[22:17] <u_dp_> :(
[22:18] <kevin6888> i didn't bother to wait for it to work
[22:18] <kevin6888> i'm trying to fix my bot's script, i added variables for his nickname and my nickname
[22:18] <u_dp_> what's it do?
[22:19] <kevin6888> syntax error at /home/metta/src/perl/buddy.pl line 130, near "'!'$verse"
[22:19] <kevin6888> just the usual stuff, factoids on buddhism
[22:19] <u_dp_> what's the !dp command do?
[22:19] <kevin6888> responds to some messages
[22:19] <kevin6888> it pulls a random verse from the dhammapada
[22:19] <u_dp_> does it stand for any set of two words that are vulgar that i am regularly subjected to?
[22:20] <kevin6888> i'd show you, but i don't know if that would annoy the folks in this channel
[22:20] <u_dp_> you can show me via direct chat?
[22:20] <kevin6888> no, it stands for dhammapada
[22:20] <u_dp_> sweet
[22:21] <kevin6888> we would have to be in a channel i think
[22:21] <kevin6888> i haven't tried direct chat
[22:21] <u_dp_> alright
[22:21] <u_dp_> i should get on a real irc client
[22:21] <u_dp_> then i could chat it up
[22:21] <kevin6888> whatever works for you
[22:21] <u_dp_> moment
[22:22] <projectdp> hello :)
[22:22] <projectdp> where to kevin?
[22:23] <kevin6888> we could go to #buddyjr-test
[22:23] <u_dp_> i'm there
[22:31] <iheartubuntu> u-dp_ there is xchat. im using empathy chat client, which handles IRC pretty good IMO
[22:31] <iheartubuntu> even pidgin can do IRC
[22:32] <u_dp_> i see
[22:33] <u_dp_> got a few too many chat windows open heh
[22:34] <u_dp_> aak, i am reminded of your comment about bitlbee + xchat & twitter
[22:34] <u_dp_> sounds interesting, any insight into its use?
[22:34] <kevin6888> oh empathy...
[22:34]  * kevin6888 weeps for empathy
[22:35] <akk> u_dp_: http://shallowsky.com/blog/tech/bitlbee.html
[22:35] <u_dp_> tx
[22:36] <kevin6888> u_dp_: thanks for the testing, gave me some insight :)
[22:36] <u_dp_> yes but do you have access to insight? :D
[22:37] <kevin6888> hmmm, perhaps a tiny bit
[22:49] <projectdp> alright guys i'm switching to this account from now on :)
[22:58] <kevin5293> akk: looks like that did the trick, i'm in fedora14 now :)
[23:07] <akk> yay kevin5293