[00:01] i'm addicted to their twitter. it's nice sitting in my quiet house in a quiet neighborhood reading about hookers and crack :) [00:02] sorry i'm back [00:03] wb [00:03] tenderloin has a lot of gov't housing [00:04] kdub: but that area is pretty expensive, my guess at least... [00:05] i dont know, i live down in the silicon waffle [00:05] ahh [00:05] waffle, lol.. [00:10] i'm still not sure how funny that joke is [00:11] * kdub wants a condo overlooking the padres stadium and the harbor [00:14] what santa monica? the silicon beach? [00:15] blah, *is [00:15] san diego, sandiego, sandy eggo, sandy waffle [00:16] silicon waffle [00:20] santa monica, santamonica, santam onica, silicon beach? [00:23] ohhhh, silicon monica [00:23] silicon angel [00:24] reminds me of the radiohead song "fake plastic trees" [00:44] hah, at any rate, i don't think that joke will make it to my open mike night routine :P [01:18] Nothing works at open mic nights. [01:18] Poor souls are left tending to crowds waiting to hate them. [02:58] great ubuntu hour turnout today in Pasadena! 8 people [02:58] Yay! [03:05] hey all. Ubuntu Hour: San Jose is now aaditya aak pleai2 crashsystems1 outofjungle [03:06] akk [03:10] It is? oops, I didn't even hear about this one ... but I can't come, running an IRC gimp building session at 8. [03:18] nuboon2age: would have been nice to attend, but I got caught up with tons of work this week. [03:19] san jose is always too far for me to go, but particularly today ;) [03:20] flying home saturday *sniff( [03:20] * [03:20] visiting? [03:21] vacationing in puerto rico [03:21] oh, i had it backwards! [03:21] neat [03:21] MJ is here for a conference (which ended yesterday) [03:21] i was just thinking, pleia2 [03:21] 's been so quiet [03:21] hehe [03:21] beaches++ [03:21] lol [03:22] actually today we went up to one of the forts in old san juan and did lots of touristing [03:24] anyway, near bedtime :) night all [03:25] nighty night pleai2 [03:25] Night, pleia2 --glad the vacation is going well! [03:27] jtatum i and utkarsh ravi met last wee [03:28] week and im her again with Utkarsh Ravi Dan and Kartic [03:28] Hi everybody! :) [03:30] hey akk! ;-) [03:39] pleia2 the prez of SJSULUG is requesting we supply a bunch o U intu disks. they will be the driving for e behind this U untu Hour SJ [03:41] they cross posted about tonight on their facebook site and got put yheir peeps tonight [03:42] they had previously requested disks from ubuntu but had gotten red tape answer [03:43] they gave out all the server copies i have them last week! [03:43] they are really on the ball [03:47] That's great! [04:02] okay that was fun [04:03] im out [04:17] enjoy the launch tonight socal folks [04:18] 9:24 PM [04:18] unless it's too windy [04:19] i'm gonna give it a shot from sunnyvale. there's a slight chance depending on visibility that i'll be able to see something [04:41] maylin says hi [05:00] hi [05:01] * akk waves [05:18] about 5 minutes to launch, not scrubbed yet [05:21] Rocket launch, not natty beta launch, right? [05:31] sorry about being confusing akk :) yes, rocket launch [05:32] Did it launch? [05:32] Did you get to see it? [05:35] it launched. i guess i need to get somewhere higher, darker, and with less treeline next time. got spoiled by living a stones throw from cape canaveral [05:35] That must have been amazing! [05:36] I've only seen 1 or 2 rocket launches and they were all from quite far away (just a big contrail going up) [05:50] it's pretty great. i hope we get back to manned spaceflight quick. [07:13] Sup dudes and dudettes! [08:56] Hello All === dannyp_ is now known as d4nnyp [09:14] hello [17:36] gasho all [17:37] i will say that i like the search dealy in unity [17:37] the panel reminds me of docky [17:38] hello [17:39] hello [17:41] how are you u_dp_ ? [17:41] i'm great thanks [17:41] looking into moving to ubuntu [17:42] cool, have you tried it out yet? [17:42] investigating alternative window managers [17:42] yea, but it was a long time ago [17:42] i didn't feel it was well enough developed then [17:43] what do you use your computer for? [17:43] world domination [17:44] but i'm interested in doing more automation [17:44] so looking for something nicer than [17:44] dos batch scripting :) [17:44] brb [17:45] back [17:45] world domination? can't really help you with that [17:46] darn. [17:46] i thought ubuntu specialized in this discipline [17:46] ubuntu is great for scripting, though [17:46] then the world domination part is just up to how well you write your scripts :) [17:47] what wm's do you guys use? [17:47] i've used pretty much all of them [17:47] i'm looking at Xmonad [17:47] fluxbox, xfce, lxde, kde, gnome [17:47] well, haven't tried that one [17:47] i used compiz stand alone for a bit [17:47] ratpoison? [17:48] i don't like poison [17:48] generally or this wm? [17:48] generally of course, hehe [17:48] never tried ratpoison [17:49] I use openbox./ [17:49] http://www.nongnu.org/ratpoison/ [17:49] I don't like maximizing windows, so ratpoison isn't for me [17:49] ok from what i remember fluxbox and openbox were very similar [17:49] I like to multitask and see 2-3 windows at once [17:50] you can see 2-3 windows at once with ratpoison [17:50] it just makes sure there is no gaps between the windows [17:50] I thought it wanted everything maximized or at least tiled. [17:51] well it doesn't seem like what you want [17:51] so how do flux and open differ? [17:51] I don't know, I confess. I like openbox's flexibility and focus handling, and also the community and support [17:51] so I haven't spent much time with fluxbox to compare it. [17:51] i see [17:52] nice to see you again last night kevin6888 - sorry i had to split early [17:52] iheartubuntu: no problemo, i hung around for an extra 5 min but then left as well [17:53] i really get the feeling that the LUGs at the Universities are pretty exclusive [17:54] chromium is acting funny... [17:54] brb [17:54] it wasnt too bad. i would have liked a period of time where the LUG could work with newbies and help them with their computers [17:55] i realize this IT recruiter had a big speech to give... but 2.5 hours long was getting boring [17:55] maybe other meetings they dont have talkers and people just mingle and do the comps and help each other [17:55] yeah, and i'm all for finding a job, but while i was sitting there, i couldn't help realize that there was no way he would find me one [17:56] well, it's in a classroom, the venue kind of restricts the options [17:56] a hackerspace it is not [17:57] which kind of makes sense, i think it's supposed to be more social...but...still, classrooms aren't really the best venues for promoting socializing [17:58] i'm not complaining, i'm just looking for something different i think [18:03] A lot of LUGs (and other clubs too) have the "one person gives a speech" format instead of "everybody sit around and hack". [18:03] I guess maybe it takes pressure off, people can just veg out and listen, but I always thought a more participatory meeting would be more fun. [18:04] back [18:05] aak, i'm hosting an event which is more of a collaborative environment this saturday [18:05] this particular event is for mobile app development [18:05] I was in a car club that had a format of "announcements and club business, then a couple members talk about current projects for 5-10 minutes, the adjourn to the parking lot and stand around for another hour talking about whatever". [18:06] Worked really well, but I haven't seen a science/tech club that does it that way. [18:06] :D [18:07] wish we found those tunnels :D [18:07] Tunnels? [18:07] * akk has fond memories of the caltech steam tunnels [18:07] iheartubuntu: i couldn't live in them anyway, unless i figured out a way to forage for food :P [18:08] underneath caltech :) [18:08] kevin6888 there are foraging websites now to find all sorts of food on public land :) [18:08] what steam tunnels??? [18:08] :o [18:08] iheartubuntu: i think you were right, we should have just explored the campus looking for the steam tunnels [18:08] i wanted to do the responsible thing though, and actually show up [18:09] akk: i have no memory of caltech steam tunnels :( [18:10] iheartubuntu: link? the public land would have to be walking distance from me to be sustainable :| [18:12] akk - u went to caltech? [18:12] kev - will find u the links... two good sites [18:12] iheartubuntu: No, but grew up in Alhambra and hung around with friends at Caltech. [18:13] busy doing day job... bean counter [18:13] ohhhhhhhhh cool! so u know the area [18:13] (had a boyfriend whose dorm room was just around the corner from a steam tunnel entrance :) [18:15] i'm starting to think i won't be a big fan of the steam tunnels now [18:16] aaaaahah!!!! so there are tunnels [18:16] hehe [18:17] was walking by the dorms the other night with my wife posting flyers.... had a couple making out and ripping their clothes off :) haha [18:18] were they secretly you and your wife? [18:18] that was later, in the bushes [18:18] XD [18:18] * kevin6888 covers his eyes [18:19] * iheartubuntu covers his eyes too [18:32] aw [18:36] Hmm, I should flesh out my Upscale talk and do the LUG circuit again. [18:38] sounds cool [18:38] links to preso? [18:39] Hmm, you know, I don't think I put it up. :) But I should. I should get the video online and the presentation up. [18:39] thumbs up :D [18:39] Let me get you a link to the presentation. [18:40] u_dp_: Advocacy for Advocates: http://ubuntuone.com/p/mt6/ [18:41] thank you sir [18:42] hm, is the file really 86k? [18:42] Sure, it's an OpenDocument Presentation file with only one graphic, and that's just an xkcd comic. [18:43] It was a 5-minute talk, each slide auto advanced after 15 seconds. A lot of fun to do actually. :) [18:44] kevin6888 here is one site... http://neighborhoodfruit.com/ [18:45] iheartubuntu: this oughta be good... [18:45] Good Morning everyone [18:45] :) sounds like um.. ignite talks [18:45] there is another better one but i cant seem to find it [18:45] hello Letter M [18:46] iheartubuntu: looks like it isn't quite there yet [18:46] gasho The_Letter_M [18:47] u_dp_: yeah, that's just what UpScale was modeled after. [18:47] So I went and bought me a Net Top just for Ubuntu [18:47] :D [18:47] It runs really well [18:47] * iheartubuntu eats own dog food (peanut butter flavor) [18:47] i think i'm gonna buy a used thinkpad for ubuntu [18:47] I'm waiting for a compelling tablet. [18:47] net top from sys76? [18:48] It's the new Acer Veriton with the Nvidia Ion 2 GPU [18:48] The_Letter_M: which model did u get [18:48] o [18:49] It came with Win 7 Pro, would I contact Acer or MS about getting money back on it [18:49] ?? [18:49] The_Letter_M: Acer. [18:49] agreed [18:49] The_Letter_M: as far as Microsoft is concerned, you are not their customer at this point. [18:49] yea acer is required to dump it on computers per their agreement [18:49] The OEM (Acer) also has to provide any tech support. :) [18:50] It's not so much that Acer must install it, just that an OEM with a volume license has to act as the point of contact for the customer. [18:50] That's why retail boxes are so much more expensive--you're paying for support from Microsoft as well. [18:51] well you're covering the overhead costs of the software licenses too [18:51] Ahh [18:51] True dat [18:51] http://blogs.laweekly.com/squidink/2010/05/foraging_in_los_angeles.php [18:52] http://www.fallenfruit.org/ [18:54] Here's a link of what I bought: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Acer-PS.VBH03.006/15571873 [18:54] Newegg doesn't have it on their site right now for some reason [18:55] iheartubuntu: are you literally eating dog food? [18:55] cool [18:55] iceplant is edible? 8-o [18:56] weird [18:57] from what i know it's an invasive plant that's pretty hard to get rid of [18:57] it's good for soil retention though on [18:57] They don't mention the one native thing I know I can eat here, miner's lettuce ... maybe that isn't so common in SoCal. [18:57] There's not much on that list that would sustain a person for long, though. [18:57] hmmm, snails...i wonder how many snails i'd have to eat to survive [18:58] 24 a day. one per hour [18:59] i have eaten dog food before, yes [18:59] i think it's safe to say, if you don't have your own land, you're going to have to eat other animals [18:59] why would you do that iheartubuntu ? [18:59] try BG... Before Grain... excellent dog food! [19:00] it is designed to mimic the foods dogs would eat if in the wild [19:00] how mysterious [19:00] so it tastes like caribou or something? [19:00] there are some other very good natural dog foods... EVO is another one [19:00] "Before Gain" sounds better than "Kitties and Grass". [19:00] hahahaaa [19:00] s/Gain/Grain/ [19:00] or scavenged lion meat? [19:01] price wise.... dog food is an excellent value for the money and it saves me a ton of money on TP [19:02] ok ok everyone im joking around :) [19:03] i would think a bag of beans and bread would be cheaper [19:03] jeez [19:03] quality dog food is pricey [19:03] unless it's the dried stuff [19:03] i wonder how hungry i would have to be to eat dog food [19:04] if only it had more flavor [19:04] probably 2 days is my limit, before i'd pretty much eat anything [19:04] when you're hungry, anything edible tastes good [19:06] we are taking IRC to a whole new level [19:09] Dogs don't have a strong sense of taste and gain most enjoyment of their food by the smell, which is why dog food is aromatic but bland in taste. [19:14] i'm having fun pretending to be extremely paranoid on #ubuntu-locoteam [19:16] i explained that i didn't have a cd drive to install ubuntu [19:16] and that my usb ports were epoxied for air gap [19:16] lol [19:16] trolling on irc is not cool :( [19:17] lol [19:17] how is it trolling i'm just curious to see who is more security minded than me :( [19:17] maybe you should try #ubuntu-security u_dp_ [19:17] will do [19:18] On the Aniverse IRC I once made the mistake of calling an Op an A-Hole [19:18] I was then banned for several months [19:18] i doubt you have a level of paranoia that they won't be able to solve [19:18] The_Letter_M: thus learning a valuable lesoon. [19:18] because people are taking their unpaid time out to help you with your fictitious problem [19:18] lol [19:18] fiction is awesome though [19:19] wait, i don't see the connection between cd, usb, and paranoia [19:19] actually, some fiction is not awesome [19:19] well i air gapped my desktop with a faraday cage [19:19] :D [19:19] did it work [19:19] hypothetically yes [19:20] but my question is what's the best way to install ubuntu then [19:20] hypothetically i can fly [19:20] att tech support once told me to build a wooden cage around my wifi box to fix my problems [19:20] you claim you don't see how that's a troll, but i think you're trolling me too :) [19:20] i built a wooden cage around my wifi device [19:20] it worked [19:20] apparently trolls are people who ask you how to be creative in solutions [19:20] :( [19:21] maybe i created a faraday cage around it [19:21] hypothetically [19:21] it worked to do what iheartubuntu? [19:21] wooden boxes aren't faraday cages tho.. [19:21] an offshore worker from india told me to build a wooden cage around my wifi. i guess thats what they do there? [19:21] anyhow, it worked [19:22] it worked to do what? make it extremely hot and not block emr? [19:22] for several years in fact, until i got an all in one DSL/wifi box [19:22] it was a cage, not realyl a box [19:22] what else did you store in your wooden cage? [19:22] my children [19:23] i fed them dog food. in a tunnel. [19:23] i love IRC [19:23] all this hypothetical stuff must be trolling [19:24] The_Letter_M: i just saw the rating of that device 1 star :O [19:24] lol [19:24] It's because the moron didn't know what they were buying [19:25] but i did build a wooden cage... http://sixty8doors.deviantart.com/gallery/?offset=48#/danxns [19:25] You can even see in the picture there is no optical drive [19:25] my bad... it was the dsl router, not the wifi [19:26] it's mostly Wal-Marts fault for not actually writing a description but copy/pasting one [19:26] iheartubuntu: <3 [19:26] Like they wrote that it has a DVD Combo Drive and PS2 ports for the mouse and KB [19:28] i admire both your art of irc manipulation and your woodwork [19:29] The_Letter_M: you should one up that sad lonely star [19:29] (and comment) [19:29] I did [19:30] oh? [19:30] I gave a 5 star review and explained what people should know [19:30] but it has to go through a review process before it's public [19:30] gotcha [19:30] :) [19:32] Anyone else think Twitter is like a large passive IRC room? [19:32] crap, i see iheartubuntu's brother built the box [19:33] The_Letter_M: yeah, it's a testament to an increasing detachment from humanity [19:33] when irc was, at inception a tool for connection for humans [19:33] yeah [19:33] The_Letter_M: I view twitter in xchat via bitlbee, so it IS an IRC room to me. [19:33] lmao [19:33] interesting [19:33] but it does make sense [19:34] still, that's an abstraction [19:35] has anyone done any twitter bot work? [19:36] high radiation levels across the board in america now compared to when the earthquakes & disasters first hit [19:42] iheartubuntu: define "high" [19:42] No, better: what are the radiation levels? :) [19:42] i meant higher [19:42] whoops [19:42] radiationnetwork.com [19:42] i dont know if thats it [19:43] most all of those were in the low teens [19:43] im seeing 30s 40s and some 50s now daily [19:44] there is another link my brother in japan sent me... cant find it anytmore. a US gov site showing the daily radiation clouds coming from fukishima [19:46] :/ [19:46] i also read a report than european health commission is advising people in europe not to eat euro meat or drink cows milk for 6 months. [19:46] they are a lot further away than we are [19:47] thats crazy [19:51] What unit of measure are they using? [19:53] it is interesting, if things really went to hell in a handbasket how long would it take for the rest of us to find out? [19:53] -? [19:56] iheartubuntu, do you listen to Alex Jones? [19:57] i have before yah [19:57] He's been talking about that [19:58] about veggies and milk in Europe and they won't eat them for 6 months [19:58] actually he in a round about way got me into ubuntu [19:58] and we're closer to Japan and our govt pretends everything is fine [19:58] oh? [19:58] watt? that's mysterious [19:59] let me grab another cola, do tell iheartubuntu [19:59] it was after katrina. someone sent me a video about bush/katrina.. it was an AJ video [19:59] woke me up to the government [20:00] I'm a lot more worried about mercury and antibiotic resistance than about radiation from Japan. But worrying about things the gov't is ignoring is too much like a full-time job. [20:00] i dont trust any gov now :) [20:00] i cant listen to alex all the time though [20:00] he gets pretty hyped up [20:00] i like katherine albrecht a lot [20:01] im also interested in the gov controlling my food supply [20:01] and me growing my own food [20:01] but what about AJ got you into Ubuntu? [20:01] he talked about ubuntu and linux a few times back in 2005 i think it was [20:01] oh [20:01] i dont hear him talk about it anymore when i tune in [20:01] i'm a libertarian socialist, i'm not sure i trust anybody :| [20:01] except you guys of course [20:01] i didnt get into ubuntu though until 06 [20:02] lol [20:02] Those contradict each other [20:02] '06? i didn't get into it until '08 [20:02] the Libertarian Socialist thing [20:02] you've been using ubuntu longer than i have... [20:02] I got into Ubuntu in May 2005. [20:02] i used to think that too The_Letter_M [20:02] i was into bsd before ubuntu was born [20:02] i like the dont tread on me philosophy. let people be [20:03] i tried BSD when i was a teenager, couldn't get x working and abandoned it [20:03] lol [20:03] did we get anyone from cal state LA last night? [20:03] it didn't like my trident video card :( [20:04] was chris from cal state la? [20:04] I got into Linux in 96 with Mandrake 6.0 [20:04] i think he was from another planet [20:04] I had a copy of Slackware and Turbo linux sometime before that, but never tried them [20:05] whats wierd is it felt like i had met him before in a past life [20:05] i installed linux for the first time in like 2000 when i was network admin/ a/v jr. engineer at a small company i worked for [20:05] what meeting were you guys at? [20:05] so cal here, LA [20:05] i see [20:05] i was at one last night to, san jose, ca [20:05] iheartubuntu: that is mysterious [20:06] u_dp_: did you see Drew? i haven't met him, but he seems cool [20:06] yes i met him :) [20:06] i wasn't sure it was the same guy [20:06] he had cornrows instead of big hair [20:07] i was in SF for a little while, i should've went to another meet up aside from just SF [20:07] what's his alias on here? [20:07] just Drew? [20:07] but i was worn out [20:07] there's one next week in mountainview [20:07] i dunno, he hasn't been on in awhile. it used to be nuboon2age i think [20:07] ah [20:08] he was on as nuboon2age yesterday or the day before [20:08] kevin6888, you never explained your Libertarian / Socialist thing [20:09] akk: ah, maybe i just haven't been paying enough attention [20:09] well, i wasn't on last night [20:09]