[02:11] jcastro: hehe http://grossmeier.net/files/screenshots/which-is-it.png [03:09] http://blog.grossmeier.net/2011/04/14/mug-sponsorship-success/ [03:10] If you couldn't guess from the url: our sponsorship drive was a success! [03:23] greg-g: awesome! [03:23] was going to ask if you got my money [03:23] widox: yep, sure did! [04:07] yay! [04:07] yay greg-g [04:08] also got my taxes done before they were due [04:08] yay [04:08] heh, finished ours today, have to put the check in the mail tomorrow :( [04:08] getting money back from federal and paying state and city [04:10] damn, hit another error, up to 3,430 bookmarks processed, time to fix error and start over [04:11] wow thats a lot of bookmarks [04:11] heh, the total is over 15k [04:12] got a sample from a guy with many bookmarks to stress test bookie [04:13] 15k bookmarks? wow [04:14] i can't remember the last time i bookmarked a site, doesn't google take care of that for me? [04:14] yea, just a few. Makes for good test material [04:15] sorry, 16733 actually [04:15] with 7344 tags [04:16] I've only got 1/10 that [04:16] but yea, trying to load up the content of all of those pages without getting any sort of script error [13:03] morning [13:03] coffee [13:06] cool... I used to read WTF all the time. He's coming to Penguicon. http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Penguicon-2011.aspx [13:13] ugh, zzzzzz [13:13] I have a feeling not much is going to get done today [13:14] turn that frown upside-down and get hoppin! [13:14] at least its friday! [13:15] yea, so sleepy though, and road trip [13:15] I need to place a new law, all wife's friends must live within a 30min radius [13:16] you visiting the better side of the state today? [13:16] brousch is far too happy this morning [13:17] unity has been running for 2 days in my VM. what's not to be happy about? [13:18] brousch: yea, will be in muskeegon tonight/tomorrow [13:21] too cold to have fun [13:22] you could go to GLSEC [13:22] yea, 1yr old birthday party so booked already [13:22] and not sticking around long enough to have free time [13:23] party party [13:26] rick_h_: Oh joy [13:27] and it's your favoritest person, I'm sure. :) [13:28] she's cool, her husband I still can't believe she married [13:28] full tool factor in effect [13:28] welcome to muskegon [13:29] yea, basically [13:29] the flint of west michigan [13:29] I thought it was more Ferndale than Flint [13:29] this is the guy that was doing night PC monitoring shifts for mejier and wanted to know how he could get to 'do what you do with the working from home and great pay' in less than a year 'without going to school, I don't have time for that' [13:30] rick_h_: Oh boy. [13:30] One of those "You fuck around on the Internet all day and get paid $$" folks? :) [13:31] PC Pro Schools! [13:31] well, it's the case of "I'm in computers" [13:31] so you ask and find out he sits in a control center with a bunch of monitors and if any lights go red he calls someone [13:31] Yeah, that's all we do; surf the net and collect paychekcs [13:31] tell him to start a blog. it is the road to riches with no effort [13:32] Or a podcast [13:32] he'll need an editor ... [13:32] Heck, we're only .00001% away from that island. [13:32] progress! [13:33] have we made $0.0001 yet? [13:33] I think you got a referral once. [13:33] unless you bought from your own code. ;) [13:33] phew, almost had to use a soap api at work...but they don't support the api for the admin side of the app, only the report generation [13:33] .00001% away? Or .00001% towards? [13:33] rick_h_: Oh God [13:33] wolfger: What do you think? :) [13:34] 26 clicks with 0 conversions so far according to AMZ [13:34] I think it's the opposite of what you said [13:34] brousch: It hasn't crashed on you? [13:34] Mine crashes if I try to use the 3d matrix screensaver =( [13:34] I need to tie the podcast into a business so I can write off gear expenses [13:34] rick_h_: Well, 4 more clicks, and we can get 6% of nothing instead of 4% [13:34] tjagoda: nope. and it's been through half a dozen sleep cycles too [13:34] ..wow [13:34] rick_h_: Shh. Don't say "amz" too loudly. snap-l will blow a gasket. [13:35] I crash a few times a day [13:35] ruh roh [13:35] I think I might upgrade today [13:35] in place upgrade on the laptop [13:35] The register just posted I terrible review of beta 2 [13:35] I don't have anything due today, might as well break my systesm to bits [13:35] wolfger: You might want to try a 1980s toy, because my ripcord is a little hardr to find. [13:35] lol [13:35] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/14/ubuntu_second_beta/ [13:35] rick_h: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/14/ubuntu_second_beta/ [13:35] and no, that doesn't mean unity will touch this [13:36] tjagoda: i just installed the lastest dist-upgrade. we'll see if it dies [13:36] snap-l: That's not how I recall our last conversation going. [13:36] rick_h_: Oh, you know you'll give it 10 minutes. [13:36] hmm [13:36] I should do a dist-upgrade when I get home [13:36] snap-l: hmmm, doubtful [13:36] I only did a normal upgrade last night [13:37] wolfger: it's not that he hates amazon, it's that he is a big ubuntu one fanboy [13:37] brousch: it's both [13:37] wolfger: Talk to my UPS guy. I don't hate Amazon. :) [13:39] all of the nautilus icons changed to a very greyish brown [13:39] they all look disabled [13:39] like they're unavailable [13:41] i think all of the latest icon changes are less intuitive than the previous icons [13:44] crap, what's the upgrade -d command? I just had it and lost it [13:44] snap-l: you have an irrational hatred of AmazonMP3 [13:45] rick_h_: do-release-upgrade ? [13:45] no, that's not it. You send a -d for development release to this command [13:45] heh, guess that has it, I'm thinking of a different one though, oh well [13:45] I'll try this one then [13:46] you're going natty on your main laptop? [13:47] yea, nothing due for work today and having a giant WTH moment [13:47] hm, i think it's not using the theme it says it is [13:47] 11 installed packages are no longer supported by Canonical. You can [13:47] still get support from the community. [13:48] hmmm, I wonder what those 11 are :/ [13:48] it would be nice to have those listed [13:48] awesome and vim [13:48] ah, details, got it [13:48] git [13:48] f-spot gnome-user-share gnupg-curl ibus-m17n libflickrnet2.2-cil libgnome-keyring1.0-cil libgnome-pilot2 liboil0.3 plymouth-x11 psfontmgr python-fstab [13:49] You have to download a total of 1336M. This download will take about [13:49] 23 minutes with your connection. [13:49] let-r-rip [13:49] bite me [13:49] 1.3GB in 23 minutes [13:50] though times like this I do wish I had the higher end plan [13:53] heh, tried to take a screenshot of the funky theme and it locked up with half-transparent windows. good thing i'm using a VM so i can take a screenshot of the locked up screenshot [13:55] now to wander launchpad [13:56] must be video glitch. changing out of full screen mode fixed it [13:57] heh, screenshots in unity are apparntly useless [14:04] how so? [14:04] oh, nm. I scrolled back :-) [14:08] wtf is with the perma broadcast of gib? I mean, does anyone want to see video of PC? really? [14:11] rick_h_: I think gib is going to be the next JustinTV [14:12] I'm getting a little tired of him saying that everything needs broadcasting [14:15] I understand that it's new and cool, and likely interests him, but logistically it's a pain in the ass. [14:16] Unless he wants to spend his money buying bandwidth (myfi), I'd rather not be a party to abusing someone else's bandwidth. [14:17] And he's been to other release parties. Nobody, but nobody wants to watch a bunch of guys drink beer and talk about / install Ubuntu [14:17] unless a) they're participating, or b) you're Diggnation. [14:17] I think I need to send him the content article I was reading today [14:18] http://www.amazon.com/gp/goldbox/ref=pe_36550_19506740_pe_00_head [14:18] http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2011/04/12/make-your-content-make-a-difference/ [14:18] snap-l: you suck...that is all [14:19] rick_h_: Just let me play with it once you get it. ;) [14:19] I can't...man but me wants... [14:19] I think my wife would hide me in a muskeengon swamp if I did [14:23] Pretty sure she would. [14:23] I can't manage to close the window though lol. [14:23] you know a new one is coming before school I bet [14:23] rick_h_: They're moving towards free [14:24] I an feel it [14:24] It's a reverse auction on the kindle [14:24] yea, but I'm not willing to go ads for it [14:24] I'll pay for the dippy device, and you know the DX isn't on that free list [14:24] Not for $114, but what about $25? [14:25] and that dx has 3g, hmmmm [14:25] If the ads prove successful, they might even go lower [14:25] Send them out to the prime customers. [14:25] no, I'm completely against ads on there [14:25] 110% [14:25] You are, but how many people are? [14:26] it's like saying ubuntu can put ads on the boot/shutdown screens. No way [14:26] I know, and even pople against it will end up with them [14:26] they'll sell :( but I can't stand the lack of places I can go sans-ads any more [14:27] $300 for a Kindle. On sale. Really??? People pay for that? [14:27] man, that DX at that price is gold...ugh... [14:27] Yeah, I'm not a fan of ads either. [14:28] wolfger: it's the larger DX model [14:28] It's the holy grail of eBook readers [14:28] Ah to be able to read PDF files without zooming... [14:28] exactly, especially since I've started to get teh books straight from the publishers in pdf form [14:28] https://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/27081 [14:28] though I still think it'd be too heavy for that bed time reading [14:29] rick_h_: I don't care what model it is. It's sole purpose in life is to allow you to buy overpriced e-books. If it's not free, you're paying too much. [14:29] snap-l: nice, I was thinking of looking that upo [14:29] wolfger: You know not what you talk about [14:29] wolfger: yea, because it's free to deviver hardware with month-long battery life and 1000+ books in one sleek device [14:29] Or you're trolling. :) [14:29] i can buy an ipad for $300! [14:29] snap-l: It has a purpose other than reading e-books that cost as much as hardcover books? [14:30] right, and an i-pad sucks for reading books [14:30] no way. steve jobs says it is perfect for books [14:30] it all depends on the books you get I guess [14:30] wolfger: Yes, and it's called reading discounted PDF and ePub files from tech publishers [14:30] hmm [14:30] if I didn't just write a fat check to the tax man that thing would be ordered [14:31] and I'd owe my wife a lot of points for forgiveness [14:31] the darn thing is too big to hide from here :) [14:31] /here/her [14:31] tell her you got a bumper for your old one [14:31] so it just seems bigger [14:31] rick_h_: You wouldn't have time to read it, because your ass would be giving foot-rubs every waking moment. [14:31] lol [14:32] I might be able to get $99 for mine, that covers part of it [14:32] anyone need a $200 python script written? :) [14:32] tons of them on rent a coder [14:32] it will only tak you 2 weeks [14:33] lol, awesome [14:33] "I want a new website. NExt facebook. IPO opportunity. $200" [14:33] "I'd like a copy of digg for $50" [14:33] ooh, pricey one there [14:33] "Meeet me at Caribou for my awesome new business opportunity." [14:34] lol, "VOIP is the future!" [14:36] My tax return paid for my blackberry playbook [14:36] =) [14:38] tjagoda: heh, well it's all good. Just means I didn't give the govt a nice loan all year interest free [14:38] tjagoda: Oh, so you're the other person that bought one? [14:38] but enjoy that playbook, loving the mixed reviews coming in [14:38] Excellent hardware reviews so far [14:38] brousch: you can snipe zuckerberg for all I care. [14:39] so so from the one's I've read [14:39] Supposedly 10 hours battery life [14:39] and bad on the software side [14:39] Nobody's really been able to review much of the software [14:39] It all really comes down to whether or not your article was written my somebody lusting for an iPad [14:39] heh, I don't think it's that single minded [14:39] So many of the reviews are obviously biased in one direction or the other [14:40] either in favor or blackberry or in favor of apple [14:40] rick_h_: you could stream the launch party on a $20 pay-per-view :-D [14:40] nobody seems to care about the Android tab's [14:40] and I've seen 7hrs - 10hrs dependind on how the battery test was done http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/13/blackberry-playbook-review/ [14:40] I like that both it's camera and display are real HD [14:41] rick_h_: thanks for that last tweet :) [14:41] greg-g: no problem, good stuff [14:41] I felt bad, I/you beat them to the punch by a couple days ;) [14:42] ok, upgrade done...brb (hopefully) [14:42] eek [14:42] Has a mini-HDMI port too [14:42] epid [14:42] epic* [14:42] RIP rick_h_ [14:44] yay, made it this far [14:46] ugh, seems a small delay in things atm [14:46] don't worry, it is just churning through your dotfiles removing things that aren't in the standard user interface [14:47] i think they are shoving a bunch of updates through this morning [14:47] every time i dist-upgrade there's new stuff [14:51] ugh, still no dual monitor...not that I was overly hopefull [14:51] but held out a small chance [14:52] huh, didn't realize there's still a PowerPC Ubuntu [14:53] One of the guys at MUG was mentioning something about PowerPC [14:53] rick_h_: no dual monitor? isn't that kind of a showstopper? [14:59] ok, question, if a non-profit organization that funds some full-time paid devs on an open-source project that has an active/large volunteer dev community was thinking of doing some R&D type experiments on the code... [15:00] greg-g: been like this since I updated my bios back in 10.04 [15:00] Like, doing throw-away interface changes etc, what do you think the volunteer dev communities' reaction would be to a call for help? These experiments will most likely be choosen by the organization not the community (but of coruse with community input) [15:00] greg-g: so if...? [15:00] I was thinking, initially, it'd be "heck no I'm not doing your dirty work for you" [15:01] but then I thought that these might be fun/interesting/out of the ordinary so it actually might illicit contributions from the volunteer side [15:01] well, I think it'd be mixed [15:01] right, R&D == more fun usually [15:01] yeah, always, I guess [15:01] but also might not be 'scratch my itch' [15:01] Depends on how it's sold [15:01] and then there's the 'hey, you're hiring people to work on that, either hire me or forget it' [15:02] yea [15:02] If you sell it as "we'd like you to do the heavy lifting, and we'll cherry-pick the goodies", ten it'll be bad. [15:02] right right [15:02] if you sell it as "we're holding a contest..." [15:02] then that might work [15:02] * greg-g nods [15:02] bah, I'm only on 10.10 [15:03] alright, thanks for being a sounding board [15:03] * greg-g goes back to this email [15:03] greg-g: There's a way to make what they want palletable [15:04] contests might not be the way, but something where it's collaborative, with the idea that the community might not have the final word [15:04] rick_h_: you have to upgrade through each release, you can't skip them [15:04] except LTS to LTS [15:04] snap-l: right, definitely [15:05] yea, and the maverick->natty won't go because of existing packages it looks like [15:05] the problem with contents is that some people are paid devs [15:06] greg-g: Or they could just tell the truth [15:06] "Hey, we're not UI designers, and we want the best interface possible" [15:06] "We don't have enough $$ to pay, but we'd like some help to make this awesome" [15:06] (or whatever the situation is) [15:07] * greg-g nods [15:07] snap-l: yeah, definitely nuanced [15:07] worst case, the community says no, so then you know what you can work with [15:08] but I'm sure if they have a developed community, someone will step up [15:08] I mean, there's people that develop Linux for free, even though Linus and others are paid. [15:13] Have I mentioned how much I hate Java lately? [15:13] because there's a lot of stupid in this language. [15:14] is that a class i missed? [15:14] ;) [15:14] ex: I'm looking to use Jax-ws [15:15] 2.1.7 is distributed as a .jar, with ne class called "main" [15:15] 2.2.3 is a zip file with everything that I need, apparently. [15:16] Except 2.2.3 gives me this admonition that JDK 1.6 ships with blah blah, which is not compatible with blah blah unless I use the blah blah extension to blah blah the blah blah [15:17] Ah, it's because I need to accept the CDDL before using 2.1.7 [15:17] How clever. [15:21] snap-l: you basically have to be a java dev to rn that shit. best step up. [15:24] jrwren: So, in order to run java, first I need to be a java developer [15:25] that's consistent with my experience. [15:25] Maybe I should send away for one of those certifications so I can learn the secret handshake [15:26] that is my beleif. [15:26] i remember trying to run java servets when I was a sysadmin, I basically had to be a java dev. [15:26] I don't think that has changed. [15:27] jrwren: Nah, just dump the war files in a directory, and restart the server [15:27] Or, more accurately, dump the war files in a directory, and take down the server [15:27] same effect, really. [15:28] .war. HUNGH, good God y'all [15:28] What is it good for? Fuckin' up my TOMCAT [15:28] Woooo [15:29] LOL [15:29] yeah, then many apps aren't web configurationble. [15:29] so go edit some properties file somewhere. [15:30] and often finding that file is a bitch because its burried deep in some j2ee server location [15:30] jrwren: And this is reason #1 why I go to MichiPUG and not Java Anonymous [15:30] lol. [15:30] you go to michipug now? [15:30] On occasion [15:31] You've seen me there. ;) [15:31] I'm the guy that's not rick_h_ ;) [15:33] ok, so getting desparate now...did I mention that I deserve what I get for trying to upgrade to natty? [15:34] I think my system is about to blow up, time to get the usb drive ready lol [15:34] Did you back up prior to this? [15:36] nope :) [15:36] did you lobotomize yourself last night? [15:37] pretty much [15:37] no, most of my stuff is in git repos or dropbox [15:37] made sure I pushed my git repos before starting this [15:37] though now that I did redo my colo I guess those git repos aren't in the 'cloud' any more [15:38] a common datacenter? [15:38] how quaint [15:38] please sir, might I have a natty upgrade? [15:39] snap-l: so there's a whole 3 of you that go to Michipug? [15:42] ok, well uninstalling all of xorg makes the upgrade process go thorugh for me [15:42] well, at least it starts, we'll see how it turns out in the end [15:43] another 1.3gb of downloads yay [15:43] geez [15:43] uverse hates me today [15:46] i haven't been to michipug in a long time. [15:47] wolfger: There were over 10 people at the last meeting. [15:47] Didn't think to get an accurate headcount [15:48] snap-l: then "I'm the guy that's not rick_h_" isn't all that helpful... :-p [15:49] no, that's a good help. we get confused a lot [15:49] :P [15:49] I love Borders. Now I'm getting coupons in the mail that are "excludes toys, games, puzzles, and stuffed animals" [15:49] "not valid on tomatos, fabric softener, or fish" [15:50] Apparently I broke them by purchasing just about every Munchkin core set they had. ;) [15:50] "40% coupon, + 10% borders member, + $5 bonus bucks" [15:51] and a free tasty beverage. [15:51] rick_h_: this LG 2x looks awesome [15:51] http://www.androidcentral.com/hands-lg-optimus-2x [15:53] jcastro: yea, the LG stuff is starting to look good [15:53] lame that it's only 2.2 though [15:53] jcastro: you notice that there's a lack of trackballs on the new phones? [15:54] no I didn't [15:54] yea, holding out for ice cream sandwhich for my next phone [15:54] I don't know if I like that or not [15:54] thinking 4g + that will carry me for a bit [15:54] yea, like the droid X has arrow keys on the keyboard to make up for it [15:54] but I like the hardware button there [15:54] I use that to wake my device and such [15:54] and for moving around/etc [15:55] but all the new fancy phones, no button/optical trackball [15:55] jcastro: how'd the night finish up? [15:55] was good stuff saying hi [15:57] oh man, her cat is named vi, I should name my rotty vim when I get him/her: http://amayita.livejournal.com/197886.html [15:58] was fine [15:58] went to slows BBQ [15:59] nice [16:00] I wish they had a nice midrange android in the $350 price range [16:04] btw, _stink_ or rick_h_ or snap-l who is trustedsage in #bookie? [16:04] nfc [16:06] greg-g: no idea, never spoken in there [16:06] he's a silent follower I guess [16:07] I think he might be a guy from AA group that got told about bookie early on? the guy that wants the right-click in the chrome bookmark? [16:07] but not verified [16:07] mmm slow's [16:07] I need to head there, do love me some bbq [16:08] damn you all. i'm starving and taking a late lunch [16:09] Apparently Groove Salad is in the annoying female vocals section of the program [16:12] here's a good table of the dual core phones coming out, their specs, and their carriers (not release times though) http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/15/htc-sensation-versus-the-rest-of-the-dual-core-world-smartphone/ [16:14] dual-core CPU phones [16:14] there's something your parents would never have dreamed up [16:15] it's all our fault, we should stop calling them phones [16:15] it's the true personal computer [16:15] really, yeah [16:15] I think I will start calling mine a mini-tablet [16:16] I think phone calls amount to <10% of my total usage [16:17] ooh, install almost done yay [16:17] and it's only as high as it is because I'm in a hotel 4 nights a week and talking to home [16:17] jrwren: You remember you joking about Java requiring you to be a Java Developer in order to run Java? [16:17] Just ran into that with wsdlimport.sh [16:17] i wasn't joking. [16:17] Apparently, you need to run this in order to get the libraries that I was looking for [16:17] was there a smiley when I wrote it? [16:18] No, you're absolutely right [16:18] what an impenetrable piece of shit [16:19] and part of the problem was that the certificates for our environment weren't set up properly in my dev environment [16:26] :( [16:26] cert mgmt is always so painful [16:31] Oh happy fuckin' day: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150591993642#ht_1699wt_840 [16:31] I swear, Wendy Carlos' music is worth more than gold at the prices people put this stuff at. [16:33] http://cgi.ebay.com/SWITCHED-BACH-WENDY-CARLOS-LE-GOLD-CD-RARE-/380332329178#ht_500wt_855 [16:44] rick_h_: everyone is getting on this tiling bandwagon: http://mizage.com/divvy/ [16:47] greg-g: yep, large displays, multi head display, people don't want to ahve to manually drag/resize things [16:47] even the gui fans are catching on [16:48] few more years it'll be full auto tiling I think [16:49] lol, requires you to click/drag to organize [16:50] bah, poor implementations ugh [16:50] The circle will be complete the day Lifehacker says you can double your productivity by hooking a VT220 to your serial port, and run Word Perfect 5.1 [16:52] geeze, this update manager "building data structures" is taking forever [16:52] I'm closing in an hour :/ [16:52] and only at 36% [16:53]