[00:15] <chris4585> wrst, lol sorry just so excited :o
[00:17] <wrst> ha ha i would be too chris4585 no need to apologize!
[00:32] <pace_t_zulu> wrst, chris4585 this is from home: http://www.speedtest.net/result/1252602724.png
[00:33] <chris4585> nice
[00:33] <pace_t_zulu> ^ but that was during a time machine backup over the local network....
[00:33] <pace_t_zulu> chris4585: kind of have an unfair advantage having the test server so close
[00:33] <pace_t_zulu> chris4585: 11 ms is absurdly low
[00:34] <pace_t_zulu> ping that is
[00:35] <pace_t_zulu> this is off a comcast server in ATL http://www.speedtest.net/result/1252606770.png
[00:36] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: your upload is kicking my download's butt :P
[00:38] <chris4585> that is pretty insane
[00:41] <wrst> chris4585, pace_t_zulu have any suggestions on webhost?
[00:42] <chris4585> I used bluehost and they were pretty good
[00:49] <wrst> i'm looking at them they look pretty good
[01:20] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: ping
[01:20] <pace_t_zulu> might as well start pinging folks
[01:21] <pace_t_zulu> chibihogoshino Dan9186 Juzzy orias Svpernova09 ping
[01:21] <pace_t_zulu> ZenAdm1n: ping
[01:25] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: i'm dealing with a fussy baby may be in and out
[01:26] <cyberanger> pong
[01:26] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: no worries... just figured i'd try to start rallying the troops
[01:26] <cyberanger> Meeting in 5 minutes
[01:26] <pace_t_zulu> how's it going cyberanger
[01:27] <wrst> ha ha good idea pace_t_zulu hey we have more here than last time already!
[01:27] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: you got chair?
[01:27] <cyberanger> yeah
[01:27] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: our meeting attendance leaves something to be desired
[01:27] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: word
[01:28] <cyberanger> wrst: yeah, you and I and we couldn't reasonably chair then
[01:28] <cyberanger> chris4585: Meeting Time
[01:28] <cyberanger> Dan9186: Meeting Time
[01:28] <chris4585> cyberanger, hi
[01:28] <cyberanger> Juzzy: Meeting Time
[01:28] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: Meeting Time
[01:29] <chibihogoshino> ah. im here
[01:29] <cyberanger> orias: Meeting Time
[01:29] <cyberanger> Svpernova09: Meeting Time
[01:29] <cyberanger> ZenAdm1n: Meeting Time
[01:29] <cyberanger> #startmeeting
[01:29] <MootBot> Meeting started at 19:29. The chair is cyberanger.
[01:29] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[01:30] <cyberanger> woah, first try, suprised I remembered that much on mootbot
[01:31] <pace_t_zulu> o/
[01:33] <cyberanger> [topic] Attendance
[01:33] <MootBot> New Topic:  Attendance
[01:33] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu has the idea, just give a one liner for MootBot
[01:34] <cyberanger> [Topic] Natty Release on the 28th
[01:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  Natty Release on the 28th
[01:34] <cyberanger> We just had the beta drop today, next is the final on the 28th
[01:35] <pace_t_zulu> indeed
[01:36] <cyberanger> jfenn2199 is planning a Memphis release party May 7th, I don't have the full details quite yet, he was checking availability on one location first
[01:38] <cyberanger> I'll have to get more details shortly
[01:38] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: anything on your end?
[01:38] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: negative
[01:38] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: regretfully our numbers are few and our schedules are busy
[01:39] <cyberanger> yeah, you and Xpistos
[01:39] <cyberanger> however, nlug would be willing to join I bet
[01:39] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: last time we did an event i was the only one present aside from friends IRL
[01:40] <cyberanger> we've got notice this time
[01:40] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: that's true... but to be frank - i don't think there is much interest
[01:40] <cyberanger> and I'd head up depending on time and date
[01:41] <cyberanger> oh, well true (and thanks, that's what I need, frank) however last time nlug didn't get notice, or at least useful notice
[01:41] <cyberanger> understand
[01:42] <cyberanger> and with no linuxman410 again, ummm.........
[01:42] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: is it just us in east tn now?
[01:42] <chibihogoshino> i guess so
[01:42] <chibihogoshino> as far as i know
[01:46] <cyberanger> sorry everyone, hang on a second, I'm checking something real quick
[01:46] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: our numbers are greatest in west tn
[01:49] <pace_t_zulu> chibihogoshino: sup
[01:49] <chibihogoshino> not to much..
[01:50] <cyberanger> 63 Members according to Launchpad 129 on Our mailing list, this is roughly our usual crowd on IRC
[01:50] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i'd say we have maybe 20 regulars in irc
[01:50] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: think that's about right?
[01:51] <cyberanger> two in nashville area, one in cookeville, one in chattanooga, one in knoxville, and linuxman410 is limited to morristown
[01:51] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: a little high for lately (16 now, subtract ChanServ MootBot, locobot_4 and ubuntulo1_ )
[01:53] <cyberanger> ShipIt is no more, replaced with Approved LoCo's doing the work instead
[01:53] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: that's quite a geographic distribution for 6 guys
[01:53] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: ShipIt ?
[01:54] <cyberanger> yeah, but is that summing up active members, 6 in Memphis, 6 the rest of the state, give or take
[01:54] <cyberanger> http://blog.canonical.com/?p=551
[01:54] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://blog.canonical.com/?p=551
[01:55] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: what needs to happen to get membership back up
[01:56] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: we can't make people come
[01:56] <cyberanger> or even the membership lp says we have active a little more active
[01:56] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: but we can let them know we are here
[01:56] <chibihogoshino> emails would help
[01:57] <cyberanger> true, but can we encourage and give an incentive to be active, more than our current methods
[01:57] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: yeah, that would, I'm trying to fix Mailman to better help with that (our daily digest is a monthly digest)
[01:58] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: do you have any incentives in mind?
[01:58] <chibihogoshino> what other is there than lurking on irc, being present during the irc meetings and going to the occasional meet ups ?
[01:58] <pace_t_zulu> chibihogoshino: that's pretty much what i do
[01:59] <pace_t_zulu> chibihogoshino: i am quite happy with that
[01:59] <pace_t_zulu> i'd like to become official though
[01:59] <chibihogoshino> i think part of the problem is that people dont know quite what to do
[01:59] <chibihogoshino> irc isnt that real to allot of people
[02:00] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: well, chibihogoshino brings up the point right there, maybe doing some installfests, being a little more hands on with lugs, as long as that is in our favor (not pissing them off is the idea, getting known and liked is the goal)
[02:01] <pace_t_zulu> chibihogoshino: fair point
[02:01] <cyberanger> we're not even doing meetups lately, memphis is meeting frequently, involved in golem
[02:02] <cyberanger> our last help session involved Windows Server (nothing wrong in showing a pleasent group, giving chances to slip in ubuntu here and there, but it's not exactly progress)
[02:03] <chibihogoshino> spread the love... :-)
[02:04] <cyberanger> that some don't like IRC (whatever the reason, unfortunately I think these meetings have to be on IRC, which is a shame)
[02:04] <chibihogoshino> yeah .. with how the state is shaped its needed
[02:05] <cyberanger> well, if each region did something each month, had an agenda, gave a report at the meetings like tonight, it'd suit me fine, but idk if the council would agree
[02:07] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: perhaps part of the problem is the regional divisions
[02:08] <cyberanger> if there's no intrest there's no intrest, I don't want to burden anyone with illusions there is more intrest than we're seeing, but I do wonder if not doing something helps
[02:08] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: we're still here with continuity for 5 years
[02:09] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i think there's something to be said for that
[02:10] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: I thought the loco more or less died in 07, you and w4ett were from that era though, I got on board oct. 08, looked pretty dead to me
[02:10] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i've been here since around 06
[02:10] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: there were different leaders back then ... but there has been continuity in membership
[02:11] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i think i recall wrst was around back in those days - i may be wrong though
[02:12] <cyberanger> I didn't see much till new years meeting, w4ett and some other few, some intrest timed with a release, like my case (I can't recall why exactly the timing did that) I was told we hadn't done anything for a year
[02:12] <cyberanger> but I suppose lp numbers, at least we hold membership
[02:12] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i suppose you showed up before wrst - judging by our membership list
[02:13] <cyberanger> and on IRC we've held on to the same numbers since the leadership rebuild, more or less
[02:13] <pace_t_zulu> ZenAdm1n and xTEMPLARx have been around since 2007
[02:13] <cyberanger> but, for approval, idk if numbers alone is enough
[02:14] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger that frustrates me
[02:14] <cyberanger> really!?! wow! I didn't recall seeing xTEMPLARx in IRC till this past year, of course I hadn't seen him lately
[02:15] <cyberanger> the approval process you mean?
[02:15] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: we've maintained a genial atmosphere in the spirit of ubuntu since 2006 ... i think that is deserving of acknowledgement
[02:16] <cyberanger> agreed, making loco council feel that however, that's the goal
[02:17] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: well i suppose i've never interfaced with the main council
[02:17] <cyberanger> perhaps if we can get more in the meeting here, and then on the approval process get everyone there, we can make a case, but in two years we'll be up for renewal, with a higher expectation
[02:18] <pace_t_zulu> so it wouldn't be reasonable to pass judgement on them
[02:18] <pace_t_zulu> i do my best to be present for every meeting ... try to keep the fire burning
[02:19] <pace_t_zulu> i imagine the bar for loco approval was lower in the past
[02:19] <cyberanger> and I do get what your saying, as do they, but our documentation doesn't shine that light (mostly due to what's been documented, unfortunately not like it was before)
[02:20] <cyberanger> probally
[02:20] <cyberanger> and if we did this then, perhaps we'd be fine now, re-approval process is new, we have improved
[02:20] <cyberanger> hiccups are expected
[02:21] <pace_t_zulu> in the meantime we can keep hanging out
[02:22] <pace_t_zulu> maybe we'll get an approving nod one day
[02:22] <cyberanger> some newer locos have gotten approved, not sure where they differ, except a few, Utah comes to mind, have one city, and not much outside it
[02:22] <cyberanger> get a big presence in the city and they may overlook the rest
[02:23] <cyberanger> we've got 4 cities, one solid grip on one
[02:23] <pace_t_zulu> perhaps we should reach out to other locos for help with the approval process?
[02:23] <cyberanger> to what extent, GA and NC are approved, I can gladly ask
[02:24] <cyberanger> we have some of FL here, and an Advisor from the US loco
[02:24] <pace_t_zulu> true
[02:25] <pace_t_zulu> i feel like NC is more similar to us than GA ...
[02:25] <cyberanger> They both have similar issues, GA mostly has one city though
[02:26] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: that's what i meant... ATL dominates that state
[02:26] <cyberanger> in the loco, more elsewhere
[02:26] <cyberanger> NC has some of that, but West NC is very much active
[02:26] <cyberanger> covers the rual nature of East TN and Middle TN
[02:26] <cyberanger> it could easily
[02:27] <pace_t_zulu> funny ... i googled "ubuntu north carolina" and the top result is http://iambecauseweare.wordpress.com/
[02:28] <pace_t_zulu> at least we're holding down www.ubuntu-tennessee.org
[02:30] <pace_t_zulu> wtf is up with our logo at http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/tennessee.team
[02:30] <cyberanger> which so far hasn't been an issue, but that is an approved team requirement (we're not using it to throw mud at ubuntu, so we should be ok, but not ideal)
[02:30] <cyberanger> looks like a logo to me, what seems wrong
[02:30] <pace_t_zulu> bottom right corner
[02:31] <pace_t_zulu> orange pixels
[02:31] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: please reject this out of hand if you hate it - i mean no disrespect
[02:31] <pace_t_zulu> but...
[02:32] <pace_t_zulu> perhaps 'cyberanger' isn't the friendliest sounding team admin
[02:32] <pace_t_zulu> at http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/tennessee.team
[02:32] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i have nothing wrong with your handle...
[02:32] <cyberanger> yeah, lacks personality to some
[02:33] <cyberanger> doubt that solves all our issues, but anything to do at this point
[02:34] <pace_t_zulu> but for the unintiated, those who don't know you
[02:34] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: no, i'm not suggesting that would solve anything
[02:35] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: do you not like showing your real name online?
[02:36] <cyberanger> well, actually, you are, I mean, it's along the lines of what I've been wondering lately, how much are we reaching out, vs being an exclusive club, we welcome everyone, try to show that, but we're a tight group, I arrived when there wasn't anything feeling even close to that
[02:36] <pace_t_zulu> sorry to bring that up ... i just notice that when i was comparing us to NC
[02:38] <cyberanger> It's a nonissue, I did before, I may have not been able to change infocop411 to cyberanger then (I can now and just did) and instead removed my name for cyberanger
[02:39] <pace_t_zulu> i'm not suggesting you change your handle... but perhaps you could use your real name at http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/tennessee.team
[02:39] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: I understand
[02:39] <pace_t_zulu> but i understand if that isn't something you want to do
[02:40] <pace_t_zulu> but one thing we can definitely do is take control of that ical feed
[02:40] <cyberanger> that's linked to launchpad, which is what I was getting at above, changed my handle to one that's been a pain
[02:40] <pace_t_zulu> that might help attendance... the only reason i make it to meetings is because it is in my calendar
[02:40] <cyberanger> and apperently couldn't change it right
[02:40] <pace_t_zulu> why does it show my real name?
[02:41] <pace_t_zulu> i'm jhaitas on launchpad
[02:41] <cyberanger> https://launchpad.net/~jhaitas
[02:41] <cyberanger> look again, your ID is, your full name isn't
[02:42] <cyberanger> my case my ID was infocop411 till now (right now) and my name was changed from Zach Gibbens to cyberanger
[02:42] <pace_t_zulu> your full name Zach Gibbons at https://launchpad.net/~cyberanger
[02:42] <pace_t_zulu> ...
[02:42] <cyberanger> I suspect due to lp settings at the time
[02:42] <pace_t_zulu> so...
[02:42] <cyberanger> yes, I just did that
[02:42] <cyberanger> 5 seconds ago
[02:43] <cyberanger> Aug. 2009 I couldn't change my ID
[02:43] <cyberanger> or overlooked it
[02:43] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: at the very least the loco council can give us control over http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/tennessee.team
[02:43] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: who currently controls that?
[02:43] <cyberanger> we do
[02:44] <cyberanger> or, the Trustee at least
[02:44] <pace_t_zulu> you do then?
[02:45] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: you should be set too
[02:45] <cyberanger> your listed as a team admin
[02:45] <cyberanger> but it's not a wiki
[02:45] <cyberanger> it's linked to lp
[02:45] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: where's the control panel in lp
[02:45] <pace_t_zulu> ?
[02:46] <cyberanger> most of that acl stuff is for settings
[02:46] <cyberanger> top bar of that page, log in
[02:46] <pace_t_zulu> you know... i totally missed the login button
[02:46] <pace_t_zulu> it looks like everything else
[02:46] <cyberanger> uses LP credentials, then sorta half user half admin page
[02:46] <cyberanger> um, well...
[02:47] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i notice we have more admins than contacts
[02:47] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: what exactly would you like me to metion to the NC contact, members I know from prior occasions and such?
[02:47] <cyberanger> we can only have one contact, and that's the trustee
[02:47] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: just find out what steps they took to become official
[02:48] <pace_t_zulu> oh
[02:48] <pace_t_zulu> ok...
[02:48] <cyberanger> and how much the requirements have changed (which might shift things)
[02:49] <pace_t_zulu> i am going to add our meetings through 2011 to the ical link there
[02:49] <cyberanger> yeah, I'm the Councils contact, one thing I heard was the Global Jam, and the notice was too late
[02:50] <pace_t_zulu> we need to be filling this out http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/tennessee.team/add/
[02:50] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: would you be willing to try for a meetup/release party on the 29th/30th or first
[02:50] <cyberanger> that's new
[02:50] <cyberanger> was just events
[02:50] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: if i can get 2 other people to commit - then i would
[02:51] <pace_t_zulu> wrst and xpistos are not able to commit
[02:51] <cyberanger> I'm one, already have a rental then
[02:51] <cyberanger> wrst I expected, xpistos can't? well, perhaps I can get my nlug contact intrested at least
[02:52] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger he's been a no show in the past
[02:52] <cyberanger> the one time we gave notice (last one wasn't much of notice) two leaders came out, it wasn't as much notice as now even
[02:52]  * wrst peeks in from dirty diaper land
[02:53] <pace_t_zulu> i don't have a problem with it - but i'd rather not schedule an event that i'm the only regular at
[02:53] <pace_t_zulu> sup wrst
[02:53] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: poop
[02:54] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i don't envy you
[02:54] <wrst> ha ha its all good
[02:54] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: you get a look at the scrollback?
[02:54] <cyberanger> well, granted, you and Xpistos did commit, ericG and I arrived (I can't recall if wrst did or not) and ericG and I showed, two from nlug did, to my suprise (karmic release party, not saying this to stir trouble, just point out that things come up)
[02:55] <pace_t_zulu> sorry about the karmic release party... honestly i can't recall the details
[02:55] <cyberanger> well, can we pencil in the 30th, 7pm
[02:55] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: haven't yet I'm on my phone
[02:55] <pace_t_zulu> i must have flaked on that
[02:56] <pace_t_zulu> pencil? sure
[02:56] <cyberanger> idk on location, we did mellow mushroom once, I know J&J's Market & Cafe for 2600 meetings
[02:57] <pace_t_zulu> yea, i know the owner of J&J's - he's a really nice guy
[02:57] <cyberanger> I know how to get to bridgestone arena, so anywhere nearby those places is memory
[02:57] <pace_t_zulu> they have coffee wifi and beer
[02:58] <pace_t_zulu> yeah, mellow mushroom and J&J's is straight down Broadway and take the 21st Ave split
[02:58] <pace_t_zulu> s/is/are
[02:59] <cyberanger> those three places I've been to, along with everything in a mile or so (state capitol buldg. and the bars on brodway near bridgestone for example)
[02:59] <pace_t_zulu> we did mellow mushroom last time
[02:59] <pace_t_zulu> we've done j&j's before
[02:59] <cyberanger> if there isn't any major event in town (football game made that whole area a headache, and bad timing for locals) can we do that, pencil in J&J's on the 30th 7:00 pm, or 7:30
[03:00] <pace_t_zulu> no football this time of year
[03:00] <pace_t_zulu> nor would there be on a saturday night
[03:02] <cyberanger> um, I think karmic was, it wasn't pro, HS or College perhaps, all I see on a very quick search, is a Marathon
[03:04] <cyberanger> so sounds good, I can't promise anybody showing, just their commitments, and we do have them fail before, nature of priorties
[03:04] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: here's my proposal ... compile a list of things we'd liked changed before 11.10
[03:04] <cyberanger> in Ubuntu, or the Loco
[03:05] <cyberanger> (I presume the Loco)
[03:06] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: would you like to goto nashville or have a knoxville meet-up/release party
[03:06] <chibihogoshino> i cant really o far
[03:06] <pace_t_zulu> ubuntu
[03:07] <pace_t_zulu> be critical
[03:07] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: a list for our loco, before the end of Sept. 2011 (should be an Oct. Release) would be equally good
[03:07] <cyberanger> oh, that's unfortunately easy, but I'll hold my stones till natty is final
[03:07] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: that right there is why you are our fearless leader ;)
[03:07] <chibihogoshino> i dont have a working car right now
[03:07] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: it's on my way
[03:08] <cyberanger> well, it's reasonably out of my
[03:08] <chibihogoshino> if i can get a ride then it dosnt really matter
[03:12] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: so we're going with the 7:30 CDT @ J&J's
[03:12] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: so 5:30 EDT for a ride there
[03:13] <chibihogoshino> 6:30 pm ?
[03:13] <cyberanger> that does get us 3 people, but I'll aim for more locals for you pace_t_zulu
[03:16] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: depends on exactly where you are in knoxville how much time I can shave off, it can be pushed to 6:30 EDT but it's supposed to be nearly a 2h45m drive (I've done it quicker than that however) which is 8:15 CDT
[03:16] <chibihogoshino> 5:30 is ok
[03:16] <cyberanger> are you in knoxville downtown, or was that xTEMPLARx
[03:17] <chibihogoshino> about 10 min from downtown
[03:17] <cyberanger> one of you was Lenoir City, shaves off a good 30 or 40
[03:20] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: yeah, I for some reason understand walking into a minefield
[03:20] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: and for ubuntu don't seem to mind
[03:21] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: is this enough commitment to move forward, me and chibihogoshino
[03:21] <cyberanger> and you, of course
[03:23] <cyberanger> [topic] A formal Thanks to our new site admin, Svpernova09
[03:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  A formal Thanks to our new site admin, Svpernova09
[03:23] <cyberanger> Thank You Svpernova09 for hosting the site!
[03:24] <cyberanger> we've covered so much, the main time sensitive bit for arpil
[03:24] <cyberanger> so I move to adjourn if nothing else
[03:24] <cyberanger> (I actually forgot that the meeting was still running)
[03:24] <pace_t_zulu> sorry guys
[03:24] <pace_t_zulu> got a little distracted on this end
[03:25] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: happens, sounds like we have three, chibihogoshino, you and myself
[03:25] <cyberanger> and I'll push for more commitments
[03:26] <cyberanger> I can ensure that day and minus some small travel hiccup, traffic and such, time too
[03:26] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: the only thing i have on my calendar for that weekend is arsenal v. man united sunday morning
[03:26] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i would not count on anyone else being there
[03:27] <cyberanger> and that's a match to catch
[03:27] <cyberanger> aside from us three
[03:27] <cyberanger> that's all I can be realistic on, until anyone is there, it's all words, no actions
[03:28] <cyberanger> it's not like I wasn't doing it anyhow though
[03:29] <cyberanger> so I can insure myself, and sounds like chibihogoshino too, I'll take a route via knoxville (as expected) and we'll head up, planning for a little shy of 7:30
[03:30] <pace_t_zulu> isn't knoxville rather out of your way?
[03:31] <pace_t_zulu> listen, i have to get going
[03:31] <cyberanger> I'll already be at the point where it's nearly a coin toss, and heading north or south has to happen before west
[03:31] <cyberanger> so this case no
[03:31] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: sounds good, we've got time
[03:31] <cyberanger> main issue was this, our loco team
[03:32] <chibihogoshino> ah.. that took to long
[03:32] <cyberanger> long enough
[03:32] <cyberanger> ;-)
[03:32] <chibihogoshino> pidgin wouldnt connect
[03:35] <pace_t_zulu> may i excuse myself?
[03:37] <cyberanger> oh, yes
[03:38] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: we're set for nashville, and this month, we're good
[03:38] <cyberanger> [endmeeting]
[03:38] <cyberanger> #endmeeting
[03:38] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 21:38.
[03:38] <pace_t_zulu> later y'all
[03:38] <cyberanger> I keep forgetting about MootBot
[03:38] <chibihogoshino> peace pace_t_zulu
[04:17] <orias> >.< I always seem to miss the meeting :(
[04:27] <cyberanger> orias: well, it was odd we had two this time
[04:27] <cyberanger> well, we had an attempt for the 7th
[04:27] <cyberanger> and today
[04:30] <cyberanger> orias: next one is may 5th
[04:30] <cyberanger> and we're making better use of our calendar
[04:30] <cyberanger> or attempting to
[04:30] <orias> given any thought to integrating with more local groups?
[04:31] <orias> Memphis has a few, MidsouthMakers/The Computer Co-op etc
[04:32] <orias> laters... time to crash
[04:52] <cyberanger> orias: we'll be continuing that topic next month too I think
[04:53] <cyberanger> that is somewhat up to jfenn2199 as he's the local leader, but yes, I do expect some of that
[04:53] <cyberanger> enjoy the rest
[14:52] <pace_t_zulu> morning Xpistos
[14:54] <Xpistos> Yo
[15:00] <orias> morning
[15:15] <wrst> morning pace_t_zulu, Xpistos, pace_t_zulu :)
[15:46] <Xpistos> pace_t_zulu: do you know Dimitri Miller?
[15:46] <Xpistos> or Demetri Miller rather
[16:08] <chibihogoshino> cyberanger: i was editing the actions in xchat and i guess i didnt put the message text in the pm messages ..
[19:17] <pace_t_zulu> demitri miller? how would i know him?
[19:17] <pace_t_zulu> Xpistos: ^
[19:18] <wrst> greetings pace_t_zulu
[19:18] <Xpistos> Church
[19:18] <pace_t_zulu> sup wrst
[19:18] <pace_t_zulu> Xpistos: my church attendance is not what it should be
[19:18] <wrst> not much pace_t_zulu just watching it rain
[19:18] <Xpistos> lol
[19:18] <pace_t_zulu> Xpistos: but i'm planning on midnight mass for easter... you do that?
[19:18] <Xpistos> yep
[19:18] <Xpistos> but I leave after we go outside
[19:19] <Xpistos> Xpistos Anesti!
[19:19] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: yea, we had a tree branch come down in the parking lot right outside my office
[19:19] <pace_t_zulu> haha
[19:19] <pace_t_zulu> Xpistos: i leave after the outside bit as well
[19:20] <wrst> ouch pace_t_zulu everyone ok?
[19:21] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: no one got hurt... someone will be making an insurance claim on their rear windshield
[19:21] <wrst> ouch
[19:21] <wrst> that's not good either
[19:21] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: you know anything about gatorhost web hosting?
[19:22] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: correction hostgator :)
[19:22] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i reckon they were lucky - doesn't look like there's any damage to the body... window is quite superficial
[19:22] <wrst> yes very true pace_t_zulu windows easily replaced too
[19:22] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i work with godaddy right now... but i'm very open to jumping ship...
[19:22] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i just don't really know what's out there
[19:23] <wrst> i kinda like what i see, they enable ssh with shell access granted its very jailed but still handy i can remove or coopy things with my phone easily using a shell
[19:24] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i'm thinking about moving into the cloud... i just need to understand it better
[19:26] <wrst> just ask microsoft pace_t_zulu :)
[19:26] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: with an internet connection like you have i don't blame you
[19:38] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i am thinking amazon's ec2 infrastructure
[19:38] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: you know anything about cloud computing?
[19:38] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: that looks pretty interesting pace_t_zulu and pretty reasonable
[19:38] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: ping
[19:39] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i'm connected through an ec2 deployment
[19:39] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: i don't really know anything but i had considered doing something like that for my webhosting or a linode but i really just don't have the need for something that large
[19:39] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: running irssi through screen
[19:39] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: you can do the micro plan
[19:40] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: that's cool, oh you might want to check out quassel, i'm sure you could install/compile it and have a little nicer gui
[19:40] <wrst> and the client looks really nice on my wife's mac
[19:40] <wrst> or have a gui :)
[19:40] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/ ...Micro Instance 613 MB of memory, up to 2 ECUs (for short periodic bursts), EBS storage only, 32-bit or 64-bit platform
[19:40] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: really?
[19:40] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: yes the "core" runs on your server and the client on whatever machine you want, www.quassel-irc.org
[19:41] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i never resolved the issue with setting up the persistent connection
[19:41] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i may need help with the core setup, if you're willing
[19:41] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org/tutorials/67/
[19:41] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: be more than happy to, what distro are you running ?
[19:42] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: on the server?
[19:42] <wrst> yes
[19:44] <pace_t_zulu> wrst check your pm
[19:45] <wrst> jsut did pace_t_zulu :D
[19:48] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: this micro tier server is really fast
[19:49] <wrst> that is cool pace_t_zulu, and if you want to give quassel a shot let me know if you need help there is a thing or two ubuntu specific on setting up users that is a slight pain
[19:51] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: when i do 'quasselcore --add-user' ... am i supplying my login information for the machine quasselcore is running on... or my login information for connecting to irc servers?
[19:52] <wrst> your username you want in order to log in to irc
[19:54] <pace_t_zulu> wrst "Core is currently not configured! Please connect with a Quassel Client for basic setup."
[19:55] <pace_t_zulu> do i have to connect with a client before i can --add-user?
[19:55] <pace_t_zulu> because i get an "Unable to add user: " message
[19:57] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org/tutorials/67/ comes up 2nd when googling "setup quassel core ubuntu 10.04"
[19:58] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: let me think here, and find the link in the quassel docs
[19:58] <wrst> i think you might be able to just connect with the client actually and set the user up
[19:58] <wrst> ahh here pace_t_zulu http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/projects/1/wiki/Manage_core_users
[19:59] <wrst> ubuntu/debian installs things slightly different than most
[19:59] <pace_t_zulu> thanks wrst... might want to update that blog post then
[19:59] <wrst> hmm good point pace_t_zulu :)
[19:59]  * wrst makes a note
[19:59] <pace_t_zulu> since you are an authority on setting up quassel on ubuntu ;)
[20:00] <wrst> ha no just so happened i chatted with someone from south africa and he told me how to
[20:01] <pace_t_zulu> friendly south africans :)
[20:02] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i sent you a pastebin link in pm
[20:03] <wrst> ahh ok pace_t_zulu try connecting with your client to configure
[20:04] <wrst> i think that is just needed now if you are adding a second user
[20:04] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: with what password?
[20:04] <pace_t_zulu> and username
[20:05] <wrst> it should have a first time use thing come up to set that up
[20:07] <wrst> let me know if that doesn't i will have to rattle check it out i can set up another core on another machien and check things out
[20:13] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: i'm not for sure what happpened on your end :\
[20:14] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: there is some step missing
[20:14] <wrst> well i just put the core on another machien at home and added a user with that same command with no problem
[20:14] <wrst> on a fresh install of quassel but that's on natty
[20:16] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: pong
[20:16] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: did you get this message at all on the add-user cmd? Core is currently not configured! Please connect with a Quassel Client for basic setup.
[20:17] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i see when i do a /whois on your handle it does not list a hostname... how'd you configure that?
[20:18] <wrst> yes i did pace_t_zulu but it allowed me to add the user
[20:18] <cyberanger> I don't recall doing that, lemme see
[20:19] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: perhaps its because i'm on an ec2 deployment
[20:19] <wrst> hmm i really wouldn't think so pace_t_zulu because ubnuntu really doesn't know that does it?
[20:21] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i don't think it does
[20:21] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: from what I see, same as you, we have cloaks
[20:22] <cyberanger> your's is unaffiliated, mines a project cloak
[20:22] <wrst> me either... hmm
[20:23] <cyberanger> wrst: are you setting up Quassel?
[20:24] <wrst> no trying to help pace_t_zulu
[20:24] <wrst> with no luck
[20:24] <cyberanger> with Quassel
[20:25] <cyberanger> ?
[20:25] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: should a create a quasselcore user with a quassel group as per http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/projects/1/wiki/Build_Core_On_Ubuntu
[20:25] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: yea... any suggestions?
[20:25] <cyberanger> I'm more in the GNU Screen & Irssi or Weechat camp
[20:25] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: the cloaks are different from the host name...
[20:25] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: when you do a whois on me ... do you see my hostname?
[20:26] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: i have never had to do that, that's if you build from source
[20:26] <cyberanger> so it'd be hard to suggest
[20:26] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i'm using irssi
[20:26] <cyberanger> in screen?
[20:26] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i realize that... so you just run quasselcore from your user account?
[20:26] <wrst> yes actually it starts up automagically on ubuntu you should never have to do anything
[20:27] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: roger
[20:28] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: got the quassel expert i know looking at it
[20:29] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: ok here's the infoe that command is just for adding subsequent users
[20:29] <wrst> you should be able to do the initial setup just be connecting to the core
[20:30] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: meet superfly, he's from south africa ;)
[20:30] <wrst> but a pretty smart dude
[20:30] <wrst> actually much smarter than me
[20:30] <wrst> which doesn't take much ;)
[20:30] <pace_t_zulu> hey superfly
[20:30] <superfly> smarter than you wrst? no ways!
[20:30] <superfly> hi pace_t_zulu
[20:30] <pace_t_zulu> superfly: i was born in south africa
[20:30] <wrst> well superfly that's not really a compliment :)
[20:31] <superfly> pace_t_zulu: which part?
[20:31] <pace_t_zulu> superfly: jo'burg
[20:31] <pace_t_zulu> superfly: you?
[20:31] <superfly> I live in Cape Town
[20:31] <pace_t_zulu> superfly: i've got family in cape town as well
[20:32] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: http://109.74.196.32/whois.html
[20:34] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: thanks... so i can see my hostname just because its me
[20:35] <pace_t_zulu> superfly: so are you a quasselcore expert?
[20:35] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: that's what I see from cyberanger-bot (I did that since permissions on freenode is what I suspect your seeing)
[20:35] <superfly> pace_t_zulu: I use it... can't say I'm an expert though
[20:35] <pace_t_zulu> superfly: you're more advanced than me then
[20:36] <pace_t_zulu> i'm having trouble setting it up
[20:36] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: sounds right, as long as some flags are set, and their enabled by default
[20:36] <pace_t_zulu> i'll send you a pastbin of the core.log
[20:36] <pace_t_zulu> superfly: i sent you a pm
[20:36] <superfly> wrst pasted me your error, but as far as I can see, you need to connect using the client (and be aware, on Ubuntu there are a few Quassel packages - you need the quassel-client or quassel-client-qt4 package)
[20:37] <wrst> superfly: only issue i see is that the client you must enter a username? or does it take the user name there and make it?
[20:37] <pace_t_zulu> superfly: the machine i'm running it on is CLI
[20:37] <superfly> pace_t_zulu: yes, and the machine I'm running my core on is also a CLI
[20:37] <superfly> you need to connect to it using the client
[20:38] <wrst> superfly: he is trying to set it up client core setup, but its been so long i have forgotten how :\
[20:38] <superfly> so, on your desktop, fire up the client, and connect to the server
[20:38] <pace_t_zulu> superfly: it wants a username and password
[20:39] <superfly> pace_t_zulu: yes, I think it creates the account with these details
[20:39] <pace_t_zulu> ...
[20:40] <superfly> pace_t_zulu: http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/projects/quassel-irc/wiki#Connecting-to-the-core
[20:40] <pace_t_zulu> oh...
[20:40] <pace_t_zulu> whatever i give it will work
[20:41] <pace_t_zulu> openssl req -x509 -nodes -days 365 -newkey rsa:1024 -keyout ~/.config/quassel-irc.org/quasselCert.pem -out ~/.config/quassel-irc.org/quasselCert.pem
[20:41] <pace_t_zulu> oops
[20:42] <pace_t_zulu> perhaps its the mac os x client thats the problem
[20:43] <wrst> hmm pace_t_zulu i'm trying to set one up here but no luck, i'm moving to a different machine
[20:43] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: so you are having problems with it as well now/
[20:43] <cyberanger> I don't recall this much work on an IRC proxy
[20:44] <superfly> neither do I, and I use Quassel
[20:45] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: i was having to change ports to get it running on another computer at home let me try it here at work
[20:46] <cyberanger> wrst: in the past I've joked on Quassel vs a CLI client and GNU Screen, but with all this, I'm starting to wonder if it were a joke (I just favor CLI over GUI, having not yet tried Quassel, this makes me wonder a good bit)
[20:47] <wrst> cyberanger: :P
[20:47] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: actually its less trouble to build from source i think :\
[20:47] <pace_t_zulu> quassel seems to be a happy medium with persistent connectivity and a gui
[20:47] <wrst> it is pace_t_zulu
[20:47] <cyberanger> wrst: sorry, but I am wondering now, is the setup worth any value
[20:48] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: that's a sorry state of affairs
[20:48] <superfly> cyberanger: I've never had these issues, and I started using Quassel back in the 0.4 days
[20:48] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: i've never had this much trouble actually
[20:48] <superfly> (it's now 0.7)
[20:49] <pace_t_zulu> superfly: you use a prepackaged version or build from source?
[20:50] <superfly> pace_t_zulu: I use the prepackaged versions from Ubuntu
[20:50] <pace_t_zulu> superfly: which release of ubuntu?
[20:50] <superfly> on the server, 10.04, on my desktop, 10.10 currently
[20:50] <cyberanger> superfly: assuming release date, that'd be Feb 18, 2009
[20:50] <wesley> ok guys got it
[20:50] <cyberanger> what did you use before then
[20:50] <pace_t_zulu> from my mac os x client i get this error message
[20:50] <pace_t_zulu> coreSocketError QSslSocket(0x2b90ec50) "Connection timed out"
[20:51] <wesley> pace_t_zulu: i would suggest you apt-get purge your core install and start over again
[20:51] <wesley> i believe since you tried to add a user at my bad advice that is the trouble possibly
[20:51] <superfly> pace_t_zulu: so your client can't connect to your core
[20:51] <pace_t_zulu> superfly: yea
[20:51] <cyberanger> I wonder if any of this might also be due to ec2
[20:51] <pace_t_zulu> superfly: and i've tried add-user on the core... and it says it cant
[20:51] <cyberanger> any limitations perhaps
[20:52] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: that's what i was thinking... but i haven't noticed any other issues with ec2
[20:52] <superfly> cyberanger: erm, a few things... Colloquy, Chatzilla, IRSSI
[20:52] <superfly> pace_t_zulu: are you running your server on ec2?
[20:52] <pace_t_zulu> there is the fact that quassel-core installs to /var/cache ... perhaps the behavior of that directory is different with ec2
[20:52] <pace_t_zulu> superfly: yea
[20:52] <pace_t_zulu> superfly: trying to
[20:53] <wesley> pace_t_zulu: dumb question but you do have the port opened for you to access it?
[20:53] <superfly> dunno more than that
[20:53] <pace_t_zulu> wesley: yea... nmap of localhost shows the port is open
[20:53] <cyberanger> never used Colloquy (but if I recall right, that's a mac client, which explains why)
[20:53] <wesley> pace_t_zulu: i thought you were much to wise for that but a place to start
[20:53] <superfly> cyberanger: yeah, it was when I was using a Mac at my previous job
[20:53] <superfly> oh, and Konversation
[20:54] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i did a purge after that
[20:54] <pace_t_zulu> the mac os x quassel-client doesn't show an SSL option... that may be it
[20:55] <wrst> hmm well pace_t_zulu here all i had to do was install, connect with the remote client and i was flying
[20:55] <superfly> well, it generally detects SSL on the fly, I think...
[20:55] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i'll try another purge and install
[20:56] <wrst> yes superfly it did on my end
[20:56] <cyberanger> does the client have the SSL bit setup
[20:56] <superfly> I don't have an SSL option, but I know I'm connecting via SSL because I have a little green icon and I set up my core that way
[20:56] <cyberanger> that might be part of the issue too, if ssl is broken out of the box
[20:57] <superfly> cyberanger: yeah, it might be broken SSL on the Mac
[20:57] <cyberanger> and the core for that matter (which I'd expect, generate your own cert or import)
[20:57] <pace_t_zulu> here is the error i get when i install the core
[20:57] <pace_t_zulu> http://pastebin.com/FSacy6F5
[20:57] <pace_t_zulu> i just do a 'sudo dpkg --configure quassel-core'
[20:58] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: /etc/init.d/quasselcore start
[20:58] <cyberanger> I can't believe Quassel still lacks DCC Chat and File Transfers
[20:58] <wrst> sudo ^^
[20:58] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: that happened to me i had to manually start the first go around
[20:59] <superfly> cyberanger: it's still fairly young
[20:59] <superfly> (compared to most IRC clients out there)
[20:59] <cyberanger> it is, idk when the first version came out
[21:00] <wrst> cyberanger: atleast it has well you know the ability to use a mouse on it :P
[21:00] <pace_t_zulu> wrst, did you dpkg --configure?
[21:00] <wrst> no pace_t_zulu just started it
[21:00] <cyberanger> but one of nearly equal age (I think, trying to double check) is weechat, which has it
[21:00] <pace_t_zulu> k
[21:00] <wrst> then logged in with the client
[21:00] <superfly> but I can't say I really use either of those features much, so I'm not missing out myself
[21:00] <wrst> cyberanger: all i use it for is for here and to aggervate superfly as he develops openlp
[21:00] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: did you supply a username and password to the client?
[21:01] <wrst> yes a username
[21:01] <wrst> then it will bring the wizard up
[21:02] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: client gives me this "coreSocketError QSslSocket(0x2cfa010) "Connection timed out" "
[21:02] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: this time i'm using the client from natty
[21:02] <cyberanger> wrst: my place has a no pet policy, and it includes mice (and at my folks, one of the cats used to be a mouser, swats at my dad's hand for using it, no joke on that, keyboard is safer)
[21:02] <wrst> well pace_t_zulu... hmm that's a new one :\
[21:02] <pace_t_zulu> and the port is definitely open
[21:04] <superfly> pace_t_zulu: so evidently you have a connection problem. Reinstalling the core is not going to help
[21:05] <superfly> pace_t_zulu: so try to figure out where the connection problem is occurring, whether it is on your server or on your desktop
[21:05] <pace_t_zulu> superfly: i wish the core and or client would be more verbose
[21:05] <superfly> pace_t_zulu: do you have something else like apache running?
[21:05] <pace_t_zulu> superfly: no
[21:06] <pace_t_zulu> superfly: i do have openvpn available on the server.... for securing wifi when i'm on an uprotected network
[21:06] <superfly> pace_t_zulu: what more does it need to tell you? the connection timed out - it could not connect to the core within the maximum specified time
[21:06] <cyberanger> superfly: weechat was older than I realized, 2003, most of the features came later on, quassel is 2008 (version 0.1.97.5 in Jul. 2008, not seeing anything further back)
[21:06] <pace_t_zulu> superfly: it would be nice if the core would give indication that an attempt was made to connect
[21:07] <superfly> pace_t_zulu: if you can't even contact the core, how is the core supposed to know it's being contacted?
[21:07] <pace_t_zulu> superfly: no problems sshing in to the server
[21:07] <superfly> ssh is a well known protocol
[21:07] <pace_t_zulu> i have the domain and port correct...
[21:07] <superfly> Quassel's protocol is not
[21:07] <cyberanger> that right there explains why I hadn't heard of it sooner, when I really needed it the most (college firewalls)
[21:08] <superfly> pace_t_zulu: just because the server and port are correct doesn't mean that you can actually make a connection
[21:08] <pace_t_zulu> i suppose i could try the IP rather than the domain name
[21:08] <wrst> superfly: is it possible that is something to do with the certificate from the former install being left behind? i gogoled that error and saw something to do with ssl
[21:08] <superfly> wrst: no, the problem is that the client cannot connect
[21:08] <wrst> ok...
[21:08] <superfly> so he needs to start on the client's side and work his way to the core to see where the connectivity problem is occuring
[21:08]  * wrst realizes he is two problems behind
[21:10] <pace_t_zulu> superfly: how would you proceed from the client side in this scenario?
[21:10] <superfly> pace_t_zulu: to be honest, I would start by googling about connecting to an ec2 instance on a non-standard port
[21:11] <superfly> I think the problem is that ec2, external to your server, is not opening that port
[21:11] <pace_t_zulu> superfly: good suggestion
[21:11] <pace_t_zulu> i guess i shouldn't just assume that because ssh works that other ports should
[21:12] <cyberanger> esp. when ec2 requires ssh to work :-/
[21:12] <cyberanger> and expects 80,443 and some others to be common
[21:13] <pace_t_zulu> superfly: that did it... genius
[21:13] <pace_t_zulu> superfly: good to have you around ;)
[21:13] <pace_t_zulu> superfly: which channels do you usually hang out in?
[21:13] <superfly> https://forums.aws.amazon.com/thread.jspa?threadID=16656
[21:13] <superfly> #quassel, for one :-P
[21:14] <cyberanger> lol
[21:14] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: told you he was smart :D
[21:15] <pace_t_zulu> superfly: you're always welcome in #ubuntu-us-tn :)
[21:15] <superfly> pace_t_zulu: also, testing to see if a port on localhost is open is like trying to unlock a door that has no lock
[21:15] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: he can only handle one channel with me :)
[21:15] <superfly> wrst: lies, I'm in 2 channels with you already
[21:15] <wrst> oh yeah forgot superfly, this is 3 :)
[21:16] <superfly> there we go
[21:16] <pace_t_zulu_> hello from quassel!
[21:16] <wrst> awesome pace_t_zulu you will love it
[21:17] <pace_t_zulu_> wrst: time will tell
[21:17] <superfly> depends on what you're used to... I don't think cyberanger will like Quassel
[21:18] <cyberanger> Hard to say
[21:18] <pace_t_zulu_> superfly: i usually use colloquy
[21:18] <pace_t_zulu_> nicer gui than this
[21:18] <cyberanger> I'm used to something that predates quassel
[21:18] <superfly> cyberanger: what do you use?
[21:18] <pace_t_zulu_> i wonder if colloquy could support quassel-core
[21:18] <pace_t_zulu_> he uses irssi
[21:18] <cyberanger> for some of the same reasons I'd use quassel
[21:18] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: but quassel is prettier than irssi
[21:19] <cyberanger> actually, currently I've been using weechat
[21:19] <pace_t_zulu> this nick is connected with irssi
[21:19] <superfly> ah, yes, once you're used to IRSSI, it's hard to beat
[21:19] <pace_t_zulu_> wrst: actually irssi is prettier than quassel right now
[21:19] <superfly> same with weechat
[21:19] <cyberanger> some better things as far as FIFO support and such
[21:19] <pace_t_zulu_> and one annoying thing... when i tab complete a nickname - the input field looses focus
[21:20] <cyberanger> well, the hardest part is DCC support, something I've used since, whenever I got involved in IRC really
[21:20] <superfly> pace_t_zulu: in IRSSI or Quassel?
[21:20] <cyberanger> otherwise I'd be able to really use it, and not just try it
[21:20]  * superfly doesn't experience that
[21:20] <pace_t_zulu_> superfly: quassel (with the tab completion issue)
[21:21] <pace_t_zulu_> superfly: client is running on mac os x
[21:21] <superfly> maybe it's an OS X thing...
[21:21] <pace_t_zulu_> probably a QT OS X thing
[21:21] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: that must be a mac thing i haven't had that issue
[21:21] <wrst> even on os X 10.5 pace_t_zulu
[21:21] <pace_t_zulu_> i'm on 10.6
[21:21] <superfly> I don't remember having it on OS X when I started using Quassel
[21:21] <wrst> ahh pace_t_zulu
[21:21] <superfly> but then I was also using OS X 10.4
[21:21] <pace_t_zulu_> i bet a better client could be coded up for os x
[21:22] <pace_t_zulu_> maybe if i really like quassel i'd go that far
[21:22]  * superfly is happy with quassel... works on his PC, works on his phone
[21:22] <pace_t_zulu_> is there a client for iPhone? do you know?
[21:23] <superfly> wrst: apparently Qt 4.8 is coming out with support for Android
[21:23] <superfly> pace_t_zulu_: dunno, I have a Nokia N900
[21:23] <wrst> cool
[21:23] <cyberanger> the N900 had the earliest support
[21:23] <pace_t_zulu_> no surprise on a nokia... with the qt support
[21:23] <wrst> pace_t_zulu_: I'm on my phone now
[21:24] <cyberanger> unfortunately iphone I doubt
[21:24] <pace_t_zulu_> i think it'd be best to do the interface in cocoa on mac os x
[21:24] <cyberanger> at least considering how long Android waited
[21:24] <pace_t_zulu_> i understand it was easier for the devs to port the qt version
[21:24] <pace_t_zulu_> but theres nothing that quassel-client should be dependent on QT for
[21:25] <pace_t_zulu_> brb... haven't had a bite to eat yet today
[21:30]  * cyberanger hands pace_t_zulu_ a byte of GRUB, hopes he can eat something better in a bit
[21:45] <cyberanger> I know that joke stunk, but I didn't think it was toxic enough to kill the channel
[22:17] <pace_t_zulu_> back
[22:28]  * superfly retreats to lala-land
[22:28] <pace_t_zulu_> wrst ... do you know how to change the username when connecting with quassel? it says my username is 'quassel'
[22:31] <pace_t_zulu_> red hat's java killer? http://blog.talawah.net/2011/04/gavin-king-unviels-red-hats-top-secret.html
[22:31] <pace_t_zulu_> red hat is really going after oracle...
[22:32] <pace_t_zulu_> here's the bug for that tab completion issue for quassel client on OS X http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/issues/1043
[23:17] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: I am unsure and still mobile I will research that
[23:19] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: no worries... i resolved that...
[23:55] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: liking quassel?