[00:15] wrst, lol sorry just so excited :o [00:17] ha ha i would be too chris4585 no need to apologize! [00:32] wrst, chris4585 this is from home: http://www.speedtest.net/result/1252602724.png [00:33] nice [00:33] ^ but that was during a time machine backup over the local network.... [00:33] chris4585: kind of have an unfair advantage having the test server so close [00:33] chris4585: 11 ms is absurdly low [00:34] ping that is [00:35] this is off a comcast server in ATL http://www.speedtest.net/result/1252606770.png [00:36] pace_t_zulu: your upload is kicking my download's butt :P [00:38] that is pretty insane [00:41] chris4585, pace_t_zulu have any suggestions on webhost? [00:42] I used bluehost and they were pretty good [00:49] i'm looking at them they look pretty good [01:20] cyberanger: ping [01:20] might as well start pinging folks [01:21] chibihogoshino Dan9186 Juzzy orias Svpernova09 ping [01:21] ZenAdm1n: ping [01:25] pace_t_zulu: i'm dealing with a fussy baby may be in and out [01:26] pong [01:26] wrst: no worries... just figured i'd try to start rallying the troops [01:26] Meeting in 5 minutes [01:26] how's it going cyberanger [01:27] ha ha good idea pace_t_zulu hey we have more here than last time already! [01:27] cyberanger: you got chair? [01:27] yeah [01:27] wrst: our meeting attendance leaves something to be desired [01:27] cyberanger: word [01:28] wrst: yeah, you and I and we couldn't reasonably chair then [01:28] chris4585: Meeting Time [01:28] Dan9186: Meeting Time [01:28] cyberanger, hi [01:28] Juzzy: Meeting Time [01:28] chibihogoshino: Meeting Time [01:29] ah. im here [01:29] orias: Meeting Time [01:29] Svpernova09: Meeting Time [01:29] ZenAdm1n: Meeting Time [01:29] #startmeeting [01:29] Meeting started at 19:29. The chair is cyberanger. [01:29] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [01:30] woah, first try, suprised I remembered that much on mootbot [01:31] o/ [01:33] [topic] Attendance [01:33] New Topic: Attendance [01:33] pace_t_zulu has the idea, just give a one liner for MootBot [01:34] [Topic] Natty Release on the 28th [01:34] New Topic: Natty Release on the 28th [01:34] We just had the beta drop today, next is the final on the 28th [01:35] indeed [01:36] jfenn2199 is planning a Memphis release party May 7th, I don't have the full details quite yet, he was checking availability on one location first [01:38] I'll have to get more details shortly [01:38] pace_t_zulu: anything on your end? [01:38] cyberanger: negative [01:38] cyberanger: regretfully our numbers are few and our schedules are busy [01:39] yeah, you and Xpistos [01:39] however, nlug would be willing to join I bet [01:39] cyberanger: last time we did an event i was the only one present aside from friends IRL [01:40] we've got notice this time [01:40] cyberanger: that's true... but to be frank - i don't think there is much interest [01:40] and I'd head up depending on time and date [01:41] oh, well true (and thanks, that's what I need, frank) however last time nlug didn't get notice, or at least useful notice [01:41] understand [01:42] and with no linuxman410 again, ummm......... [01:42] chibihogoshino: is it just us in east tn now? [01:42] i guess so [01:42] as far as i know [01:46] sorry everyone, hang on a second, I'm checking something real quick [01:46] cyberanger: our numbers are greatest in west tn [01:49] chibihogoshino: sup [01:49] not to much.. [01:50] 63 Members according to Launchpad 129 on Our mailing list, this is roughly our usual crowd on IRC [01:50] cyberanger: i'd say we have maybe 20 regulars in irc [01:50] cyberanger: think that's about right? [01:51] two in nashville area, one in cookeville, one in chattanooga, one in knoxville, and linuxman410 is limited to morristown [01:51] pace_t_zulu: a little high for lately (16 now, subtract ChanServ MootBot, locobot_4 and ubuntulo1_ ) [01:53] ShipIt is no more, replaced with Approved LoCo's doing the work instead [01:53] cyberanger: that's quite a geographic distribution for 6 guys [01:53] cyberanger: ShipIt ? [01:54] yeah, but is that summing up active members, 6 in Memphis, 6 the rest of the state, give or take [01:54] http://blog.canonical.com/?p=551 [01:54] LINK received: http://blog.canonical.com/?p=551 [01:55] pace_t_zulu: what needs to happen to get membership back up [01:56] cyberanger: we can't make people come [01:56] or even the membership lp says we have active a little more active [01:56] cyberanger: but we can let them know we are here [01:56] emails would help [01:57] true, but can we encourage and give an incentive to be active, more than our current methods [01:57] chibihogoshino: yeah, that would, I'm trying to fix Mailman to better help with that (our daily digest is a monthly digest) [01:58] cyberanger: do you have any incentives in mind? [01:58] what other is there than lurking on irc, being present during the irc meetings and going to the occasional meet ups ? [01:58] chibihogoshino: that's pretty much what i do [01:59] chibihogoshino: i am quite happy with that [01:59] i'd like to become official though [01:59] i think part of the problem is that people dont know quite what to do [01:59] irc isnt that real to allot of people [02:00] pace_t_zulu: well, chibihogoshino brings up the point right there, maybe doing some installfests, being a little more hands on with lugs, as long as that is in our favor (not pissing them off is the idea, getting known and liked is the goal) [02:01] chibihogoshino: fair point [02:01] we're not even doing meetups lately, memphis is meeting frequently, involved in golem [02:02] our last help session involved Windows Server (nothing wrong in showing a pleasent group, giving chances to slip in ubuntu here and there, but it's not exactly progress) [02:03] spread the love... :-) [02:04] that some don't like IRC (whatever the reason, unfortunately I think these meetings have to be on IRC, which is a shame) [02:04] yeah .. with how the state is shaped its needed [02:05] well, if each region did something each month, had an agenda, gave a report at the meetings like tonight, it'd suit me fine, but idk if the council would agree [02:07] cyberanger: perhaps part of the problem is the regional divisions [02:08] if there's no intrest there's no intrest, I don't want to burden anyone with illusions there is more intrest than we're seeing, but I do wonder if not doing something helps [02:08] cyberanger: we're still here with continuity for 5 years [02:09] cyberanger: i think there's something to be said for that [02:10] pace_t_zulu: I thought the loco more or less died in 07, you and w4ett were from that era though, I got on board oct. 08, looked pretty dead to me [02:10] cyberanger: i've been here since around 06 [02:10] cyberanger: there were different leaders back then ... but there has been continuity in membership [02:11] cyberanger: i think i recall wrst was around back in those days - i may be wrong though [02:12] I didn't see much till new years meeting, w4ett and some other few, some intrest timed with a release, like my case (I can't recall why exactly the timing did that) I was told we hadn't done anything for a year [02:12] but I suppose lp numbers, at least we hold membership [02:12] cyberanger: i suppose you showed up before wrst - judging by our membership list [02:13] and on IRC we've held on to the same numbers since the leadership rebuild, more or less [02:13] ZenAdm1n and xTEMPLARx have been around since 2007 [02:13] but, for approval, idk if numbers alone is enough [02:14] cyberanger that frustrates me [02:14] really!?! wow! I didn't recall seeing xTEMPLARx in IRC till this past year, of course I hadn't seen him lately [02:15] the approval process you mean? [02:15] cyberanger: we've maintained a genial atmosphere in the spirit of ubuntu since 2006 ... i think that is deserving of acknowledgement [02:16] agreed, making loco council feel that however, that's the goal [02:17] cyberanger: well i suppose i've never interfaced with the main council [02:17] perhaps if we can get more in the meeting here, and then on the approval process get everyone there, we can make a case, but in two years we'll be up for renewal, with a higher expectation [02:18] so it wouldn't be reasonable to pass judgement on them [02:18] i do my best to be present for every meeting ... try to keep the fire burning [02:19] i imagine the bar for loco approval was lower in the past [02:19] and I do get what your saying, as do they, but our documentation doesn't shine that light (mostly due to what's been documented, unfortunately not like it was before) [02:20] probally [02:20] and if we did this then, perhaps we'd be fine now, re-approval process is new, we have improved [02:20] hiccups are expected [02:21] in the meantime we can keep hanging out [02:22] maybe we'll get an approving nod one day [02:22] some newer locos have gotten approved, not sure where they differ, except a few, Utah comes to mind, have one city, and not much outside it [02:22] get a big presence in the city and they may overlook the rest [02:23] we've got 4 cities, one solid grip on one [02:23] perhaps we should reach out to other locos for help with the approval process? [02:23] to what extent, GA and NC are approved, I can gladly ask [02:24] we have some of FL here, and an Advisor from the US loco [02:24] true [02:25] i feel like NC is more similar to us than GA ... [02:25] They both have similar issues, GA mostly has one city though [02:26] cyberanger: that's what i meant... ATL dominates that state [02:26] in the loco, more elsewhere [02:26] NC has some of that, but West NC is very much active [02:26] covers the rual nature of East TN and Middle TN [02:26] it could easily [02:27] funny ... i googled "ubuntu north carolina" and the top result is http://iambecauseweare.wordpress.com/ [02:28] at least we're holding down www.ubuntu-tennessee.org [02:30] wtf is up with our logo at http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/tennessee.team [02:30] which so far hasn't been an issue, but that is an approved team requirement (we're not using it to throw mud at ubuntu, so we should be ok, but not ideal) [02:30] looks like a logo to me, what seems wrong [02:30] bottom right corner [02:31] orange pixels [02:31] cyberanger: please reject this out of hand if you hate it - i mean no disrespect [02:31] but... [02:32] perhaps 'cyberanger' isn't the friendliest sounding team admin [02:32] at http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/tennessee.team [02:32] cyberanger: i have nothing wrong with your handle... [02:32] yeah, lacks personality to some [02:33] doubt that solves all our issues, but anything to do at this point [02:34] but for the unintiated, those who don't know you [02:34] cyberanger: no, i'm not suggesting that would solve anything [02:35] cyberanger: do you not like showing your real name online? [02:36] well, actually, you are, I mean, it's along the lines of what I've been wondering lately, how much are we reaching out, vs being an exclusive club, we welcome everyone, try to show that, but we're a tight group, I arrived when there wasn't anything feeling even close to that [02:36] sorry to bring that up ... i just notice that when i was comparing us to NC [02:38] It's a nonissue, I did before, I may have not been able to change infocop411 to cyberanger then (I can now and just did) and instead removed my name for cyberanger [02:39] i'm not suggesting you change your handle... but perhaps you could use your real name at http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/tennessee.team [02:39] pace_t_zulu: I understand [02:39] but i understand if that isn't something you want to do [02:40] but one thing we can definitely do is take control of that ical feed [02:40] that's linked to launchpad, which is what I was getting at above, changed my handle to one that's been a pain [02:40] that might help attendance... the only reason i make it to meetings is because it is in my calendar [02:40] and apperently couldn't change it right [02:40] why does it show my real name? [02:41] i'm jhaitas on launchpad [02:41] https://launchpad.net/~jhaitas [02:41] look again, your ID is, your full name isn't [02:42] my case my ID was infocop411 till now (right now) and my name was changed from Zach Gibbens to cyberanger [02:42] your full name Zach Gibbons at https://launchpad.net/~cyberanger [02:42] ... [02:42] I suspect due to lp settings at the time [02:42] so... [02:42] yes, I just did that [02:42] 5 seconds ago [02:43] Aug. 2009 I couldn't change my ID [02:43] or overlooked it [02:43] cyberanger: at the very least the loco council can give us control over http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/tennessee.team [02:43] cyberanger: who currently controls that? [02:43] we do [02:44] or, the Trustee at least [02:44] you do then? [02:45] pace_t_zulu: you should be set too [02:45] your listed as a team admin [02:45] but it's not a wiki [02:45] it's linked to lp [02:45] cyberanger: where's the control panel in lp [02:45] ? [02:46] most of that acl stuff is for settings [02:46] top bar of that page, log in [02:46] you know... i totally missed the login button [02:46] it looks like everything else [02:46] uses LP credentials, then sorta half user half admin page [02:46] um, well... [02:47] cyberanger: i notice we have more admins than contacts [02:47] pace_t_zulu: what exactly would you like me to metion to the NC contact, members I know from prior occasions and such? [02:47] we can only have one contact, and that's the trustee [02:47] cyberanger: just find out what steps they took to become official [02:48] oh [02:48] ok... [02:48] and how much the requirements have changed (which might shift things) [02:49] i am going to add our meetings through 2011 to the ical link there [02:49] yeah, I'm the Councils contact, one thing I heard was the Global Jam, and the notice was too late [02:50] we need to be filling this out http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/tennessee.team/add/ [02:50] pace_t_zulu: would you be willing to try for a meetup/release party on the 29th/30th or first [02:50] that's new [02:50] was just events [02:50] cyberanger: if i can get 2 other people to commit - then i would [02:51] wrst and xpistos are not able to commit [02:51] I'm one, already have a rental then [02:51] wrst I expected, xpistos can't? well, perhaps I can get my nlug contact intrested at least [02:52] cyberanger he's been a no show in the past [02:52] the one time we gave notice (last one wasn't much of notice) two leaders came out, it wasn't as much notice as now even [02:52] * wrst peeks in from dirty diaper land [02:53] i don't have a problem with it - but i'd rather not schedule an event that i'm the only regular at [02:53] sup wrst [02:53] pace_t_zulu: poop [02:54] wrst: i don't envy you [02:54] ha ha its all good [02:54] wrst: you get a look at the scrollback? [02:54] well, granted, you and Xpistos did commit, ericG and I arrived (I can't recall if wrst did or not) and ericG and I showed, two from nlug did, to my suprise (karmic release party, not saying this to stir trouble, just point out that things come up) [02:55] sorry about the karmic release party... honestly i can't recall the details [02:55] well, can we pencil in the 30th, 7pm [02:55] pace_t_zulu: haven't yet I'm on my phone [02:55] i must have flaked on that [02:56] pencil? sure [02:56] idk on location, we did mellow mushroom once, I know J&J's Market & Cafe for 2600 meetings [02:57] yea, i know the owner of J&J's - he's a really nice guy [02:57] I know how to get to bridgestone arena, so anywhere nearby those places is memory [02:57] they have coffee wifi and beer [02:58] yeah, mellow mushroom and J&J's is straight down Broadway and take the 21st Ave split [02:58] s/is/are [02:59] those three places I've been to, along with everything in a mile or so (state capitol buldg. and the bars on brodway near bridgestone for example) [02:59] we did mellow mushroom last time [02:59] we've done j&j's before [02:59] if there isn't any major event in town (football game made that whole area a headache, and bad timing for locals) can we do that, pencil in J&J's on the 30th 7:00 pm, or 7:30 [03:00] no football this time of year [03:00] nor would there be on a saturday night [03:02] um, I think karmic was, it wasn't pro, HS or College perhaps, all I see on a very quick search, is a Marathon [03:04] so sounds good, I can't promise anybody showing, just their commitments, and we do have them fail before, nature of priorties [03:04] cyberanger: here's my proposal ... compile a list of things we'd liked changed before 11.10 [03:04] in Ubuntu, or the Loco [03:05] (I presume the Loco) [03:06] chibihogoshino: would you like to goto nashville or have a knoxville meet-up/release party [03:06] i cant really o far [03:06] ubuntu [03:07] be critical [03:07] pace_t_zulu: a list for our loco, before the end of Sept. 2011 (should be an Oct. Release) would be equally good [03:07] oh, that's unfortunately easy, but I'll hold my stones till natty is final [03:07] cyberanger: that right there is why you are our fearless leader ;) [03:07] i dont have a working car right now [03:07] chibihogoshino: it's on my way [03:08] well, it's reasonably out of my [03:08] if i can get a ride then it dosnt really matter [03:12] pace_t_zulu: so we're going with the 7:30 CDT @ J&J's [03:12] chibihogoshino: so 5:30 EDT for a ride there [03:13] 6:30 pm ? [03:13] that does get us 3 people, but I'll aim for more locals for you pace_t_zulu [03:16] chibihogoshino: depends on exactly where you are in knoxville how much time I can shave off, it can be pushed to 6:30 EDT but it's supposed to be nearly a 2h45m drive (I've done it quicker than that however) which is 8:15 CDT [03:16] 5:30 is ok [03:16] are you in knoxville downtown, or was that xTEMPLARx [03:17] about 10 min from downtown [03:17] one of you was Lenoir City, shaves off a good 30 or 40 [03:20] pace_t_zulu: yeah, I for some reason understand walking into a minefield [03:20] pace_t_zulu: and for ubuntu don't seem to mind [03:21] pace_t_zulu: is this enough commitment to move forward, me and chibihogoshino [03:21] and you, of course [03:23] [topic] A formal Thanks to our new site admin, Svpernova09 [03:23] New Topic: A formal Thanks to our new site admin, Svpernova09 [03:23] Thank You Svpernova09 for hosting the site! [03:24] we've covered so much, the main time sensitive bit for arpil [03:24] so I move to adjourn if nothing else [03:24] (I actually forgot that the meeting was still running) [03:24] sorry guys [03:24] got a little distracted on this end [03:25] pace_t_zulu: happens, sounds like we have three, chibihogoshino, you and myself [03:25] and I'll push for more commitments [03:26] I can ensure that day and minus some small travel hiccup, traffic and such, time too [03:26] cyberanger: the only thing i have on my calendar for that weekend is arsenal v. man united sunday morning [03:26] cyberanger: i would not count on anyone else being there [03:27] and that's a match to catch [03:27] aside from us three [03:27] that's all I can be realistic on, until anyone is there, it's all words, no actions [03:28] it's not like I wasn't doing it anyhow though [03:29] so I can insure myself, and sounds like chibihogoshino too, I'll take a route via knoxville (as expected) and we'll head up, planning for a little shy of 7:30 [03:30] isn't knoxville rather out of your way? [03:31] listen, i have to get going [03:31] I'll already be at the point where it's nearly a coin toss, and heading north or south has to happen before west [03:31] so this case no [03:31] pace_t_zulu: sounds good, we've got time [03:31] main issue was this, our loco team [03:32] ah.. that took to long [03:32] long enough [03:32] ;-) [03:32] pidgin wouldnt connect [03:35] may i excuse myself? [03:37] oh, yes [03:38] pace_t_zulu: we're set for nashville, and this month, we're good [03:38] [endmeeting] [03:38] #endmeeting [03:38] Meeting finished at 21:38. [03:38] later y'all [03:38] I keep forgetting about MootBot [03:38] peace pace_t_zulu [04:17] >.< I always seem to miss the meeting :( [04:27] orias: well, it was odd we had two this time [04:27] well, we had an attempt for the 7th [04:27] and today === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-us-tn to: Next Meeting May 5th at 8:30 PM EDT/7:30 PM CDT | Welcome to the Ubuntu Tennessee Team IRC Channel | Members add your info http://tr.im/nogt | Ask about our Wiki Jams [04:30] orias: next one is may 5th [04:30] and we're making better use of our calendar [04:30] or attempting to [04:30] given any thought to integrating with more local groups? [04:31] Memphis has a few, MidsouthMakers/The Computer Co-op etc [04:32] laters... time to crash [04:52] orias: we'll be continuing that topic next month too I think [04:53] that is somewhat up to jfenn2199 as he's the local leader, but yes, I do expect some of that [04:53] enjoy the rest [14:52] morning Xpistos [14:54] Yo [15:00] morning [15:15] morning pace_t_zulu, Xpistos, pace_t_zulu :) [15:46] pace_t_zulu: do you know Dimitri Miller? [15:46] or Demetri Miller rather [16:08] cyberanger: i was editing the actions in xchat and i guess i didnt put the message text in the pm messages .. [19:17] demitri miller? how would i know him? [19:17] Xpistos: ^ [19:18] greetings pace_t_zulu [19:18] Church [19:18] sup wrst [19:18] Xpistos: my church attendance is not what it should be [19:18] not much pace_t_zulu just watching it rain [19:18] lol [19:18] Xpistos: but i'm planning on midnight mass for easter... you do that? [19:18] yep [19:18] but I leave after we go outside [19:19] Xpistos Anesti! [19:19] wrst: yea, we had a tree branch come down in the parking lot right outside my office [19:19] haha [19:19] Xpistos: i leave after the outside bit as well [19:20] ouch pace_t_zulu everyone ok? [19:21] wrst: no one got hurt... someone will be making an insurance claim on their rear windshield [19:21] ouch [19:21] that's not good either [19:21] pace_t_zulu: you know anything about gatorhost web hosting? [19:22] pace_t_zulu: correction hostgator :) [19:22] wrst: i reckon they were lucky - doesn't look like there's any damage to the body... window is quite superficial [19:22] yes very true pace_t_zulu windows easily replaced too [19:22] wrst: i work with godaddy right now... but i'm very open to jumping ship... [19:22] wrst: i just don't really know what's out there [19:23] i kinda like what i see, they enable ssh with shell access granted its very jailed but still handy i can remove or coopy things with my phone easily using a shell [19:24] wrst: i'm thinking about moving into the cloud... i just need to understand it better [19:26] just ask microsoft pace_t_zulu :) [19:26] pace_t_zulu: with an internet connection like you have i don't blame you [19:38] wrst: i am thinking amazon's ec2 infrastructure [19:38] wrst: you know anything about cloud computing? [19:38] pace_t_zulu: that looks pretty interesting pace_t_zulu and pretty reasonable [19:38] cyberanger: ping [19:39] wrst: i'm connected through an ec2 deployment [19:39] pace_t_zulu: i don't really know anything but i had considered doing something like that for my webhosting or a linode but i really just don't have the need for something that large [19:39] wrst: running irssi through screen [19:39] wrst: you can do the micro plan [19:40] pace_t_zulu: that's cool, oh you might want to check out quassel, i'm sure you could install/compile it and have a little nicer gui [19:40] and the client looks really nice on my wife's mac [19:40] or have a gui :) [19:40] wrst: http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/ ...Micro Instance 613 MB of memory, up to 2 ECUs (for short periodic bursts), EBS storage only, 32-bit or 64-bit platform [19:40] wrst: really? [19:40] pace_t_zulu: yes the "core" runs on your server and the client on whatever machine you want, www.quassel-irc.org [19:41] wrst: i never resolved the issue with setting up the persistent connection [19:41] wrst: i may need help with the core setup, if you're willing [19:41] pace_t_zulu: http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org/tutorials/67/ [19:41] pace_t_zulu: be more than happy to, what distro are you running ? [19:42] wrst: on the server? [19:42] yes [19:44] wrst check your pm [19:45] jsut did pace_t_zulu :D [19:48] wrst: this micro tier server is really fast [19:49] that is cool pace_t_zulu, and if you want to give quassel a shot let me know if you need help there is a thing or two ubuntu specific on setting up users that is a slight pain [19:51] wrst: when i do 'quasselcore --add-user' ... am i supplying my login information for the machine quasselcore is running on... or my login information for connecting to irc servers? [19:52] your username you want in order to log in to irc [19:54] wrst "Core is currently not configured! Please connect with a Quassel Client for basic setup." [19:55] do i have to connect with a client before i can --add-user? [19:55] because i get an "Unable to add user: " message [19:57] wrst: http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org/tutorials/67/ comes up 2nd when googling "setup quassel core ubuntu 10.04" [19:58] pace_t_zulu: let me think here, and find the link in the quassel docs [19:58] i think you might be able to just connect with the client actually and set the user up [19:58] ahh here pace_t_zulu http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/projects/1/wiki/Manage_core_users [19:59] ubuntu/debian installs things slightly different than most [19:59] thanks wrst... might want to update that blog post then [19:59] hmm good point pace_t_zulu :) [19:59] * wrst makes a note [19:59] since you are an authority on setting up quassel on ubuntu ;) [20:00]