/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/04/15/#ubuntustudio-devel.txt

meganerdailo_: well, I have a very rudimentary data collection banged out.  Work was busier than expected so I did not get any further.00:20
meganerdailo_: also, lsusb is tougher to parse than lspci.  I just need to add a second step.  00:20
meganerdailo_: If you want to have a look at it here is the latest (pretty tame) version: http://paste.ubuntu.com/594260/00:27
ailo_meganerd, Ok. I'm sure we can solve that later on. Then there's starting jack and ardour. Don't know if we can change frames/period on the fly. I think it's possible. xruns from starting application should not be counted. Last time I only came as far as passing the error message from jack, but I didn't parse it.00:37
ailo_And I've never started ardour from the command line either00:39
ailo_Actually, it may be wiser to use another program00:39
ailo_puredata is a nice tool00:39
ailo_meganerd, On installing the kernel and giving user realtime privilege, I already have a script that does that, after checking on those. Just to let you know there is code on that.00:44
* Kokito wonders if he is still connected to the channel...01:12
ailo_Kokito, ?01:12
Kokitoah, I am :)01:12
Kokitohi ailo_01:12
ailo_Hi. 01:13
* Kokito has done a bit of work on the new website theme front page01:13
ailo_Kokito, Are you getting close to letting us try it out?01:13
Kokitoailo_: as soon as a get the front page slider images done, I will put it online for you guys to play with it01:15
Kokitomost likely next week01:15
ailo_Kokito, If you don't have anywhere else to put it, just use my server later01:16
KokitoI have hosting space/bandwidth01:16
Kokitoit's shared hosting, but for staging should be ok01:16
ailo_Kokito, ok01:17
Kokitothanks for the offer though :)01:18
ailo_Kokito, Sure01:18
Kokitobrb01:36
meganerdailo_: I was thinking of using csound since it has a complete CLI interface. We can also start and stop jack whenever we want, we would just start it with different variables.01:56
meganerdailo_: it is not a hard problem, just a tedious one.01:57
ailo_meganerd, Sounds like a deal, then01:57
ailo_I should look into that program myself. Gotten used to do everything in csound01:58
ailo_I mean puredata01:58
ailo_Since some apps aren't up to par when it comes to stabilityu01:58
ailo_meganerd, We don't need anything special happen either. But, to cut down the testing time, I think we need to do one thing01:59
ailo_meganerd, We start with the lower settings. As soon as there is an xrun, or a certain number of xruns, we go to a higher latency02:00
ailo_meganerd, When it can run for a longer period of time without xruns, we have the results we need02:00
ailo_meganerd, At least, it needs to run for some time on the lowest possible latency, before we can determine it was stable02:01
ailo_meganerd, There are some weird things happening with -generic, that doesn't look normal xrun-wise to me, on one of my systems.02:01
ailo_meganerd, So, we need to give it some time..02:02
meganerdailo_: we can just specify the settings in an array, or start from a baseline and just increment from there.  The idea I had was to use csound and some sample audio, it would copy it, transform it, mangle it, basically simulating the sorts of things that happen in the real world.02:02
meganerdailo_: looks like I am going to be dusting off my bash guides :)02:02
ailo_meganerd, I think the test needs to run for at least 5 minutes on one setting02:03
ailo_meganerd, So, it would be good to skip a setting, if there is a lot of xruns already in the beginning02:04
ailo_meganerd, Just mark it: unusable, or something02:04
ailo_meganerd, And, when a setting works, no need to go further02:04
ailo_No need to count xruns at all, reallyu02:04
ailo_Unless, we want to compare unusable settings as well02:05
meganerdwell, I am going to have to in order to determine severity.  I would probably ignore the first 10-30 seconds until everything is loaded, 02:05
meganerdI want to keep the overall footprint small, so even netbooks can get usable results02:06
ailo_meganerd, Yeah, We don't want to count xruns that come from loading02:06
ailo_netbooks. Just realized I have one... :P02:06
ScottLailo_, are you still going to be able to help with ISO testing?02:55
ailo_ScottL, Sure. Do we start now?02:55
ScottLsure, now is okay :)02:55
ScottLi'm downloading the ISO still02:55
ailo_ScottL, Daily?02:55
ScottLailo_, i was using the official qa testing iso, i'll get the link02:57
ScottLhttp://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/info/545702:58
ScottLi won't be able to start and finish one tonight, but i can start it tomorrow after work02:58
ailo_ScottL, Ok. Got it. So, we do this, once a day?03:01
ScottLno, we just need to install these images to validate the actual ISO03:01
ScottLailo_, these are milestones we need to do throughout the cycle03:01
ScottLit wouldn't hurt to test a few other things, like does jack work as expected03:02
ailo_ScottL, Ok. I thought we did this because of some problems03:02
ScottLailo_, yes, there were problems with the ISO actually building at one point03:02
ScottLunfortunately, the problems came when we were scheduled to actually test the beta2 iso03:03
ailo_ScottL, Ok. I will install today. I'll try to test as much as possible, just to have a good look at it ( I really need to setup network installation, cause DVD burning is not optimal )03:04
ScottLailo_, are you able to do a full install?03:05
ailo_ScottL, Haven't tried from DVD in a while now03:05
ScottLif not it's okay, i can do all the test, it will just take a little bit of time03:05
ailo_ScottL, As long as there's no problem with the image, I should be able to install03:06
ScottLailo_, oh, good :)03:25
ScottLsorry, wife got home and we were catching up a bit03:26
* holstein is home03:26
holsteinailo_: let me know what you dont get to03:26
holsteini need to mess with my bass a bit03:26
holsteinbut im around03:26
ailo_I'm downloading now. Expect to install within an hour. If I fail to make a DVD, I might have to wait a couple of hours, but no later than 403:27
ailo_Or, no more than 4h from now03:27
Kokitonew iteration of website front page: https://picasaweb.google.com/jorge.g.mare/UbuntuStudioArtwork#559564547072778304204:32
ailo_Kokito, You've been working on categories too. Looks great04:33
holsteinyeah04:33
holsteinsmokin :)04:33
Kokitoglad you like it :)04:33
Kokitoailo_: what do you mean by categories?04:33
ailo_Kokito, Audio, Video, Graphics. Not much work, but seeing that, it looks like it's supposed to be there04:34
Kokitoahhh! :)04:34
KokitoI see what you mean04:34
ailo_I think we might want some kind of quick-guide somewhere, or at least links to documentation. The way it works now, on the official site, I don't think is optimal. We're supposed to work out a new form for documentation for the next release, and the links on the main site should reflect that04:36
ailo_Probably, the main documentation will be in the wiki, anyhow04:36
holsteini just zoomed in04:36
holsteinit gets even better04:36
ailo_But, I guess we have lots of time to decide some of the details, which is great04:38
Kokitoailo_: my idea is to take this in stages04:51
Kokitofirst get the theme and basic structure done04:51
Kokitothen add features & content04:51
Kokitogradually04:51
Kokitowith regards to the documentation, it could be migrated to the website04:51
Kokitoit makes sense having all the information organized in one place04:52
Kokitoand Drupal can accommodate wiki content w/o problems04:52
Kokitobut whether that happens or not is out of my hands :)04:52
ailo_Kokito, It would probably be better to leave community documentation on the ubuntu wiki site, but if there is to be a Ubuntu Studio documentation, and the format is easy to mantain, perhaps we could add it to the main site. I'm thinking, at least a quick-guide of some sort, and links to videos04:54
ailo_Kokito, But, I think we have until 6 months to decide that04:55
ailo_Burnin', burnin', burniiiin'04:59
ailo_installin', installin', installiiin..05:25
ailo_ScottL, It won't go past the tasksel. Even when I don't choose any. Could be a bad DVD. Will try on virtualbox05:29
scott-workailo: holstein: and anyone else interested, the original thought on kokito's front page and the "categories" (i.e. "welcome", "audio", "video", "graphics") was too....13:41
scott-workbe a concise place for people who didn't really know about ubuntu studio to learn some good stuff quickly13:41
scott-workkinda like bullet point overview of what studio offers13:41
scott-workif you didn't know anythign about ubuntu studio, as a musician, what would you like to learn that might entice you to download and try ubuntu studio13:42
scott-workand i think the progress of kokito's work is brilliant!13:42
ailoYeah. It's looking very nice13:43
ailoVery clear13:43
ailoInviting13:43
ailoI'm installing on Virtual Box now13:43
ailoThe install failed on my machine earlier13:43
ailoCouldn't get past tasksels13:43
ailoscott-work, And the background is purple on the alternate install13:45
ailoNot the end of the world :)13:45
scott-workailo: which background?13:57
ailoscott-work, During installation using the alternate DVD.13:57
scott-worki have a purple-ish background for the grub menu which i think is sick, i'm guessing it's the same colour13:58
ailoscott-work, It seems to be installing now13:59
scott-worki feel the colour of the grub menu doesn't look "artsy" or "styling" or "wow", rather it looks like my montior is broken or it's a mistake13:59
ailoscott-work, It's like this every other time I burn a DVD13:59
scott-workailo: that's good it's installing now :)13:59
ailoscott-work, But that's on virtual box, though13:59
scott-workailo: that's strange, i've almost never had problems with burning dvd's13:59
ailoscott-work, But, now it failed :(14:00
scott-worki tend to use RW dvds and eventually the disc goes bad but that's really about it14:00
scott-workailo: awww, it's okay, you tried, i'll get them all this weekend14:00
ailoscott-work, I probably don't use the best sort of DVD's14:00
scott-workmy son won't be happy he will not be able to play minecraft while i do it though :P14:00
ailoscott-work, It's not any tasksel either14:01
ailoIt's won't install even if I select none of them14:02
ailoIt's funny that this can happy at beta 2 stage14:02
ailoDid we miss it at beta 1?14:02
ailoDon't think I did a real install then14:03
ailohappen* 14:03
ailoscott-work, Seems like it's hal14:06
ailoscott-work, The log said, ubuntustudio-desktop: Depends hal, but is not installabe14:06
ailoscott-work, hal has been removed from the standard Ubuntu Desktop a while back, and it is supposed to be outdated14:08
holsteinailo: i got so tired of tasksels14:40
holsteini think it was 9.0414:40
holsteini swore them off14:40
scott-workhal should still be available although in the universe repository14:58
scott-workailo: but maybe i royally screwed up with the ISO link :/14:58
scott-worki keep looking at this image the kokito did because i think it rocks so hard: https://picasaweb.google.com/jorge.g.mare/UbuntuStudioArtwork#559564547072778304214:59
scott-workailo: wasn't this the link i gave you?  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntustudio/all14:59
scott-workif so then this should be the current images14:59
ailoscott-work, That's the link I used17:28
ailohal caused the problem17:28
scott-workinteresting, i'll double check this tonight/weekend18:08
scott-workholstein: did you get any ISO testing done?  did you experience the same problems as ailo?20:04
holsteinscott-work: i saw the issue21:40
holsteinand decided to hold off a bit21:40
holsteinscott-work: will there be fixes?21:40
scott-workholstein:  i don't know that the trouble isn't specific to ailo's situation, i was hoping to have corroboration with someone else21:46
ailoscott-work, The trouble was that hal couldn't be installed. There was no error message about it being corrupted. I looked in the syslog, and it just said, it can't be installed21:47
scott-workailo, i have downloaded the same ISO as you (i believe), if i have the same trouble I will then download the daily image and try again21:57
scott-worki know that there was some changes to the seeds during part of the QA testing with HAL21:57
scott-workit may be a situation where HAL is a problem and we *do* need to pull it out21:58
scott-workit may be a problem that was outside the scope of the image building problems that were experienced21:58
ailoscott-work, They seem to be updated now and again. Mine was downloaded the same time as yours yesterday.21:58
scott-workthey rebuilt the image several times the other day so it may be a complete crap shoot as to which one we got :/21:59
scott-worki am tempted to just download the latest daily image and start there, but i really do want to see if there is a problem with the beta 2 image22:00
ailoscott-work, Right. I should try downloading again, and use Virtual Box this time to test that it works first22:00
holstein cool22:01
holsteinim getting on it then...22:01
holsteinailo: was that 32 and 64?22:02
ailoholstein, 3222:02
ailoholstein, That's what I was told to install by ScottL22:03
holsteinhttp://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntustudio/all right?22:03
holsteinthats where im getting them22:03
ailoholstein, Tried on my machine and virtual box22:03
ailoholstein, Right22:03

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