| meganerd | ailo_: well, I have a very rudimentary data collection banged out. Work was busier than expected so I did not get any further. | 00:20 |
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| meganerd | ailo_: also, lsusb is tougher to parse than lspci. I just need to add a second step. | 00:20 |
| meganerd | ailo_: If you want to have a look at it here is the latest (pretty tame) version: http://paste.ubuntu.com/594260/ | 00:27 |
| ailo_ | meganerd, Ok. I'm sure we can solve that later on. Then there's starting jack and ardour. Don't know if we can change frames/period on the fly. I think it's possible. xruns from starting application should not be counted. Last time I only came as far as passing the error message from jack, but I didn't parse it. | 00:37 |
| ailo_ | And I've never started ardour from the command line either | 00:39 |
| ailo_ | Actually, it may be wiser to use another program | 00:39 |
| ailo_ | puredata is a nice tool | 00:39 |
| ailo_ | meganerd, On installing the kernel and giving user realtime privilege, I already have a script that does that, after checking on those. Just to let you know there is code on that. | 00:44 |
| * Kokito wonders if he is still connected to the channel... | 01:12 | |
| ailo_ | Kokito, ? | 01:12 |
| Kokito | ah, I am :) | 01:12 |
| Kokito | hi ailo_ | 01:12 |
| ailo_ | Hi. | 01:13 |
| * Kokito has done a bit of work on the new website theme front page | 01:13 | |
| ailo_ | Kokito, Are you getting close to letting us try it out? | 01:13 |
| Kokito | ailo_: as soon as a get the front page slider images done, I will put it online for you guys to play with it | 01:15 |
| Kokito | most likely next week | 01:15 |
| ailo_ | Kokito, If you don't have anywhere else to put it, just use my server later | 01:16 |
| Kokito | I have hosting space/bandwidth | 01:16 |
| Kokito | it's shared hosting, but for staging should be ok | 01:16 |
| ailo_ | Kokito, ok | 01:17 |
| Kokito | thanks for the offer though :) | 01:18 |
| ailo_ | Kokito, Sure | 01:18 |
| Kokito | brb | 01:36 |
| meganerd | ailo_: I was thinking of using csound since it has a complete CLI interface. We can also start and stop jack whenever we want, we would just start it with different variables. | 01:56 |
| meganerd | ailo_: it is not a hard problem, just a tedious one. | 01:57 |
| ailo_ | meganerd, Sounds like a deal, then | 01:57 |
| ailo_ | I should look into that program myself. Gotten used to do everything in csound | 01:58 |
| ailo_ | I mean puredata | 01:58 |
| ailo_ | Since some apps aren't up to par when it comes to stabilityu | 01:58 |
| ailo_ | meganerd, We don't need anything special happen either. But, to cut down the testing time, I think we need to do one thing | 01:59 |
| ailo_ | meganerd, We start with the lower settings. As soon as there is an xrun, or a certain number of xruns, we go to a higher latency | 02:00 |
| ailo_ | meganerd, When it can run for a longer period of time without xruns, we have the results we need | 02:00 |
| ailo_ | meganerd, At least, it needs to run for some time on the lowest possible latency, before we can determine it was stable | 02:01 |
| ailo_ | meganerd, There are some weird things happening with -generic, that doesn't look normal xrun-wise to me, on one of my systems. | 02:01 |
| ailo_ | meganerd, So, we need to give it some time.. | 02:02 |
| meganerd | ailo_: we can just specify the settings in an array, or start from a baseline and just increment from there. The idea I had was to use csound and some sample audio, it would copy it, transform it, mangle it, basically simulating the sorts of things that happen in the real world. | 02:02 |
| meganerd | ailo_: looks like I am going to be dusting off my bash guides :) | 02:02 |
| ailo_ | meganerd, I think the test needs to run for at least 5 minutes on one setting | 02:03 |
| ailo_ | meganerd, So, it would be good to skip a setting, if there is a lot of xruns already in the beginning | 02:04 |
| ailo_ | meganerd, Just mark it: unusable, or something | 02:04 |
| ailo_ | meganerd, And, when a setting works, no need to go further | 02:04 |
| ailo_ | No need to count xruns at all, reallyu | 02:04 |
| ailo_ | Unless, we want to compare unusable settings as well | 02:05 |
| meganerd | well, I am going to have to in order to determine severity. I would probably ignore the first 10-30 seconds until everything is loaded, | 02:05 |
| meganerd | I want to keep the overall footprint small, so even netbooks can get usable results | 02:06 |
| ailo_ | meganerd, Yeah, We don't want to count xruns that come from loading | 02:06 |
| ailo_ | netbooks. Just realized I have one... :P | 02:06 |
| ScottL | ailo_, are you still going to be able to help with ISO testing? | 02:55 |
| ailo_ | ScottL, Sure. Do we start now? | 02:55 |
| ScottL | sure, now is okay :) | 02:55 |
| ScottL | i'm downloading the ISO still | 02:55 |
| ailo_ | ScottL, Daily? | 02:55 |
| ScottL | ailo_, i was using the official qa testing iso, i'll get the link | 02:57 |
| ScottL | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/info/5457 | 02:58 |
| ScottL | i won't be able to start and finish one tonight, but i can start it tomorrow after work | 02:58 |
| ailo_ | ScottL, Ok. Got it. So, we do this, once a day? | 03:01 |
| ScottL | no, we just need to install these images to validate the actual ISO | 03:01 |
| ScottL | ailo_, these are milestones we need to do throughout the cycle | 03:01 |
| ScottL | it wouldn't hurt to test a few other things, like does jack work as expected | 03:02 |
| ailo_ | ScottL, Ok. I thought we did this because of some problems | 03:02 |
| ScottL | ailo_, yes, there were problems with the ISO actually building at one point | 03:02 |
| ScottL | unfortunately, the problems came when we were scheduled to actually test the beta2 iso | 03:03 |
| ailo_ | ScottL, Ok. I will install today. I'll try to test as much as possible, just to have a good look at it ( I really need to setup network installation, cause DVD burning is not optimal ) | 03:04 |
| ScottL | ailo_, are you able to do a full install? | 03:05 |
| ailo_ | ScottL, Haven't tried from DVD in a while now | 03:05 |
| ScottL | if not it's okay, i can do all the test, it will just take a little bit of time | 03:05 |
| ailo_ | ScottL, As long as there's no problem with the image, I should be able to install | 03:06 |
| ScottL | ailo_, oh, good :) | 03:25 |
| ScottL | sorry, wife got home and we were catching up a bit | 03:26 |
| * holstein is home | 03:26 | |
| holstein | ailo_: let me know what you dont get to | 03:26 |
| holstein | i need to mess with my bass a bit | 03:26 |
| holstein | but im around | 03:26 |
| ailo_ | I'm downloading now. Expect to install within an hour. If I fail to make a DVD, I might have to wait a couple of hours, but no later than 4 | 03:27 |
| ailo_ | Or, no more than 4h from now | 03:27 |
| Kokito | new iteration of website front page: https://picasaweb.google.com/jorge.g.mare/UbuntuStudioArtwork#5595645470727783042 | 04:32 |
| ailo_ | Kokito, You've been working on categories too. Looks great | 04:33 |
| holstein | yeah | 04:33 |
| holstein | smokin :) | 04:33 |
| Kokito | glad you like it :) | 04:33 |
| Kokito | ailo_: what do you mean by categories? | 04:33 |
| ailo_ | Kokito, Audio, Video, Graphics. Not much work, but seeing that, it looks like it's supposed to be there | 04:34 |
| Kokito | ahhh! :) | 04:34 |
| Kokito | I see what you mean | 04:34 |
| ailo_ | I think we might want some kind of quick-guide somewhere, or at least links to documentation. The way it works now, on the official site, I don't think is optimal. We're supposed to work out a new form for documentation for the next release, and the links on the main site should reflect that | 04:36 |
| ailo_ | Probably, the main documentation will be in the wiki, anyhow | 04:36 |
| holstein | i just zoomed in | 04:36 |
| holstein | it gets even better | 04:36 |
| ailo_ | But, I guess we have lots of time to decide some of the details, which is great | 04:38 |
| Kokito | ailo_: my idea is to take this in stages | 04:51 |
| Kokito | first get the theme and basic structure done | 04:51 |
| Kokito | then add features & content | 04:51 |
| Kokito | gradually | 04:51 |
| Kokito | with regards to the documentation, it could be migrated to the website | 04:51 |
| Kokito | it makes sense having all the information organized in one place | 04:52 |
| Kokito | and Drupal can accommodate wiki content w/o problems | 04:52 |
| Kokito | but whether that happens or not is out of my hands :) | 04:52 |
| ailo_ | Kokito, It would probably be better to leave community documentation on the ubuntu wiki site, but if there is to be a Ubuntu Studio documentation, and the format is easy to mantain, perhaps we could add it to the main site. I'm thinking, at least a quick-guide of some sort, and links to videos | 04:54 |
| ailo_ | Kokito, But, I think we have until 6 months to decide that | 04:55 |
| ailo_ | Burnin', burnin', burniiiin' | 04:59 |
| ailo_ | installin', installin', installiiin.. | 05:25 |
| ailo_ | ScottL, It won't go past the tasksel. Even when I don't choose any. Could be a bad DVD. Will try on virtualbox | 05:29 |
| scott-work | ailo: holstein: and anyone else interested, the original thought on kokito's front page and the "categories" (i.e. "welcome", "audio", "video", "graphics") was too.... | 13:41 |
| scott-work | be a concise place for people who didn't really know about ubuntu studio to learn some good stuff quickly | 13:41 |
| scott-work | kinda like bullet point overview of what studio offers | 13:41 |
| scott-work | if you didn't know anythign about ubuntu studio, as a musician, what would you like to learn that might entice you to download and try ubuntu studio | 13:42 |
| scott-work | and i think the progress of kokito's work is brilliant! | 13:42 |
| ailo | Yeah. It's looking very nice | 13:43 |
| ailo | Very clear | 13:43 |
| ailo | Inviting | 13:43 |
| ailo | I'm installing on Virtual Box now | 13:43 |
| ailo | The install failed on my machine earlier | 13:43 |
| ailo | Couldn't get past tasksels | 13:43 |
| ailo | scott-work, And the background is purple on the alternate install | 13:45 |
| ailo | Not the end of the world :) | 13:45 |
| scott-work | ailo: which background? | 13:57 |
| ailo | scott-work, During installation using the alternate DVD. | 13:57 |
| scott-work | i have a purple-ish background for the grub menu which i think is sick, i'm guessing it's the same colour | 13:58 |
| ailo | scott-work, It seems to be installing now | 13:59 |
| scott-work | i feel the colour of the grub menu doesn't look "artsy" or "styling" or "wow", rather it looks like my montior is broken or it's a mistake | 13:59 |
| ailo | scott-work, It's like this every other time I burn a DVD | 13:59 |
| scott-work | ailo: that's good it's installing now :) | 13:59 |
| ailo | scott-work, But that's on virtual box, though | 13:59 |
| scott-work | ailo: that's strange, i've almost never had problems with burning dvd's | 13:59 |
| ailo | scott-work, But, now it failed :( | 14:00 |
| scott-work | i tend to use RW dvds and eventually the disc goes bad but that's really about it | 14:00 |
| scott-work | ailo: awww, it's okay, you tried, i'll get them all this weekend | 14:00 |
| ailo | scott-work, I probably don't use the best sort of DVD's | 14:00 |
| scott-work | my son won't be happy he will not be able to play minecraft while i do it though :P | 14:00 |
| ailo | scott-work, It's not any tasksel either | 14:01 |
| ailo | It's won't install even if I select none of them | 14:02 |
| ailo | It's funny that this can happy at beta 2 stage | 14:02 |
| ailo | Did we miss it at beta 1? | 14:02 |
| ailo | Don't think I did a real install then | 14:03 |
| ailo | happen* | 14:03 |
| ailo | scott-work, Seems like it's hal | 14:06 |
| ailo | scott-work, The log said, ubuntustudio-desktop: Depends hal, but is not installabe | 14:06 |
| ailo | scott-work, hal has been removed from the standard Ubuntu Desktop a while back, and it is supposed to be outdated | 14:08 |
| holstein | ailo: i got so tired of tasksels | 14:40 |
| holstein | i think it was 9.04 | 14:40 |
| holstein | i swore them off | 14:40 |
| scott-work | hal should still be available although in the universe repository | 14:58 |
| scott-work | ailo: but maybe i royally screwed up with the ISO link :/ | 14:58 |
| scott-work | i keep looking at this image the kokito did because i think it rocks so hard: https://picasaweb.google.com/jorge.g.mare/UbuntuStudioArtwork#5595645470727783042 | 14:59 |
| scott-work | ailo: wasn't this the link i gave you? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntustudio/all | 14:59 |
| scott-work | if so then this should be the current images | 14:59 |
| ailo | scott-work, That's the link I used | 17:28 |
| ailo | hal caused the problem | 17:28 |
| scott-work | interesting, i'll double check this tonight/weekend | 18:08 |
| scott-work | holstein: did you get any ISO testing done? did you experience the same problems as ailo? | 20:04 |
| holstein | scott-work: i saw the issue | 21:40 |
| holstein | and decided to hold off a bit | 21:40 |
| holstein | scott-work: will there be fixes? | 21:40 |
| scott-work | holstein: i don't know that the trouble isn't specific to ailo's situation, i was hoping to have corroboration with someone else | 21:46 |
| ailo | scott-work, The trouble was that hal couldn't be installed. There was no error message about it being corrupted. I looked in the syslog, and it just said, it can't be installed | 21:47 |
| scott-work | ailo, i have downloaded the same ISO as you (i believe), if i have the same trouble I will then download the daily image and try again | 21:57 |
| scott-work | i know that there was some changes to the seeds during part of the QA testing with HAL | 21:57 |
| scott-work | it may be a situation where HAL is a problem and we *do* need to pull it out | 21:58 |
| scott-work | it may be a problem that was outside the scope of the image building problems that were experienced | 21:58 |
| ailo | scott-work, They seem to be updated now and again. Mine was downloaded the same time as yours yesterday. | 21:58 |
| scott-work | they rebuilt the image several times the other day so it may be a complete crap shoot as to which one we got :/ | 21:59 |
| scott-work | i am tempted to just download the latest daily image and start there, but i really do want to see if there is a problem with the beta 2 image | 22:00 |
| ailo | scott-work, Right. I should try downloading again, and use Virtual Box this time to test that it works first | 22:00 |
| holstein | cool | 22:01 |
| holstein | im getting on it then... | 22:01 |
| holstein | ailo: was that 32 and 64? | 22:02 |
| ailo | holstein, 32 | 22:02 |
| ailo | holstein, That's what I was told to install by ScottL | 22:03 |
| holstein | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntustudio/all right? | 22:03 |
| holstein | thats where im getting them | 22:03 |
| ailo | holstein, Tried on my machine and virtual box | 22:03 |
| ailo | holstein, Right | 22:03 |
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