[00:20] ailo_: well, I have a very rudimentary data collection banged out. Work was busier than expected so I did not get any further. [00:20] ailo_: also, lsusb is tougher to parse than lspci. I just need to add a second step. [00:27] ailo_: If you want to have a look at it here is the latest (pretty tame) version: http://paste.ubuntu.com/594260/ [00:37] meganerd, Ok. I'm sure we can solve that later on. Then there's starting jack and ardour. Don't know if we can change frames/period on the fly. I think it's possible. xruns from starting application should not be counted. Last time I only came as far as passing the error message from jack, but I didn't parse it. [00:39] And I've never started ardour from the command line either [00:39] Actually, it may be wiser to use another program [00:39] puredata is a nice tool [00:44] meganerd, On installing the kernel and giving user realtime privilege, I already have a script that does that, after checking on those. Just to let you know there is code on that. [01:12] * Kokito wonders if he is still connected to the channel... [01:12] Kokito, ? [01:12] ah, I am :) [01:12] hi ailo_ [01:13] Hi. [01:13] * Kokito has done a bit of work on the new website theme front page [01:13] Kokito, Are you getting close to letting us try it out? [01:15] ailo_: as soon as a get the front page slider images done, I will put it online for you guys to play with it [01:15] most likely next week [01:16] Kokito, If you don't have anywhere else to put it, just use my server later [01:16] I have hosting space/bandwidth [01:16] it's shared hosting, but for staging should be ok [01:17] Kokito, ok [01:18] thanks for the offer though :) [01:18] Kokito, Sure [01:36] brb [01:56] ailo_: I was thinking of using csound since it has a complete CLI interface. We can also start and stop jack whenever we want, we would just start it with different variables. [01:57] ailo_: it is not a hard problem, just a tedious one. [01:57] meganerd, Sounds like a deal, then [01:58] I should look into that program myself. Gotten used to do everything in csound [01:58] I mean puredata [01:58] Since some apps aren't up to par when it comes to stabilityu [01:59] meganerd, We don't need anything special happen either. But, to cut down the testing time, I think we need to do one thing [02:00] meganerd, We start with the lower settings. As soon as there is an xrun, or a certain number of xruns, we go to a higher latency [02:00] meganerd, When it can run for a longer period of time without xruns, we have the results we need [02:01] meganerd, At least, it needs to run for some time on the lowest possible latency, before we can determine it was stable [02:01] meganerd, There are some weird things happening with -generic, that doesn't look normal xrun-wise to me, on one of my systems. [02:02] meganerd, So, we need to give it some time.. [02:02] ailo_: we can just specify the settings in an array, or start from a baseline and just increment from there. The idea I had was to use csound and some sample audio, it would copy it, transform it, mangle it, basically simulating the sorts of things that happen in the real world. [02:02] ailo_: looks like I am going to be dusting off my bash guides :) [02:03] meganerd, I think the test needs to run for at least 5 minutes on one setting [02:04] meganerd, So, it would be good to skip a setting, if there is a lot of xruns already in the beginning [02:04] meganerd, Just mark it: unusable, or something [02:04] meganerd, And, when a setting works, no need to go further [02:04] No need to count xruns at all, reallyu [02:05] Unless, we want to compare unusable settings as well [02:05] well, I am going to have to in order to determine severity. I would probably ignore the first 10-30 seconds until everything is loaded, [02:06] I want to keep the overall footprint small, so even netbooks can get usable results [02:06] meganerd, Yeah, We don't want to count xruns that come from loading [02:06] netbooks. Just realized I have one... :P [02:55] ailo_, are you still going to be able to help with ISO testing? [02:55] ScottL, Sure. Do we start now? [02:55] sure, now is okay :) [02:55] i'm downloading the ISO still [02:55] ScottL, Daily? [02:57] ailo_, i was using the official qa testing iso, i'll get the link [02:58] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/info/5457 [02:58] i won't be able to start and finish one tonight, but i can start it tomorrow after work [03:01] ScottL, Ok. Got it. So, we do this, once a day? [03:01] no, we just need to install these images to validate the actual ISO [03:01] ailo_, these are milestones we need to do throughout the cycle [03:02] it wouldn't hurt to test a few other things, like does jack work as expected [03:02] ScottL, Ok. I thought we did this because of some problems [03:02] ailo_, yes, there were problems with the ISO actually building at one point [03:03] unfortunately, the problems came when we were scheduled to actually test the beta2 iso [03:04] ScottL, Ok. I will install today. I'll try to test as much as possible, just to have a good look at it ( I really need to setup network installation, cause DVD burning is not optimal ) [03:05] ailo_, are you able to do a full install? [03:05] ScottL, Haven't tried from DVD in a while now [03:05] if not it's okay, i can do all the test, it will just take a little bit of time [03:06] ScottL, As long as there's no problem with the image, I should be able to install [03:25] ailo_, oh, good :) [03:26] sorry, wife got home and we were catching up a bit [03:26] * holstein is home [03:26] ailo_: let me know what you dont get to [03:26] i need to mess with my bass a bit [03:26] but im around [03:27] I'm downloading now. Expect to install within an hour. If I fail to make a DVD, I might have to wait a couple of hours, but no later than 4 [03:27] Or, no more than 4h from now [04:32] new iteration of website front page: https://picasaweb.google.com/jorge.g.mare/UbuntuStudioArtwork#5595645470727783042 [04:33] Kokito, You've been working on categories too. Looks great [04:33] yeah [04:33] smokin :) [04:33] glad you like it :) [04:33] ailo_: what do you mean by categories? [04:34] Kokito, Audio, Video, Graphics. Not much work, but seeing that, it looks like it's supposed to be there [04:34] ahhh! :) [04:34] I see what you mean [04:36] I think we might want some kind of quick-guide somewhere, or at least links to documentation. The way it works now, on the official site, I don't think is optimal. We're supposed to work out a new form for documentation for the next release, and the links on the main site should reflect that [04:36] Probably, the main documentation will be in the wiki, anyhow [04:36] i just zoomed in [04:36] it gets even better [04:38] But, I guess we have lots of time to decide some of the details, which is great [04:51] ailo_: my idea is to take this in stages [04:51] first get the theme and basic structure done [04:51] then add features & content [04:51] gradually [04:51] with regards to the documentation, it could be migrated to the website [04:52] it makes sense having all the information organized in one place [04:52] and Drupal can accommodate wiki content w/o problems [04:52] but whether that happens or not is out of my hands :) [04:54] Kokito, It would probably be better to leave community documentation on the ubuntu wiki site, but if there is to be a Ubuntu Studio documentation, and the format is easy to mantain, perhaps we could add it to the main site. I'm thinking, at least a quick-guide of some sort, and links to videos [04:55] Kokito, But, I think we have until 6 months to decide that [04:59] Burnin', burnin', burniiiin' [05:25] installin', installin', installiiin.. [05:29] ScottL, It won't go past the tasksel. Even when I don't choose any. Could be a bad DVD. Will try on virtualbox [13:41] ailo: holstein: and anyone else interested, the original thought on kokito's front page and the "categories" (i.e. "welcome", "audio", "video", "graphics") was too.... [13:41] be a concise place for people who didn't really know about ubuntu studio to learn some good stuff quickly [13:41] kinda like bullet point overview of what studio offers [13:42] if you didn't know anythign about ubuntu studio, as a musician, what would you like to learn that might entice you to download and try ubuntu studio [13:42] and i think the progress of kokito's work is brilliant! [13:43] Yeah. It's looking very nice [13:43] Very clear [13:43] Inviting [13:43] I'm installing on Virtual Box now [13:43] The install failed on my machine earlier [13:43] Couldn't get past tasksels [13:45] scott-work, And the background is purple on the alternate install [13:45] Not the end of the world :) [13:57] ailo: which background? [13:57] scott-work, During installation using the alternate DVD. [13:58] i have a purple-ish background for the grub menu which i think is sick, i'm guessing it's the same colour [13:59] scott-work, It seems to be installing now [13:59] i feel the colour of the grub menu doesn't look "artsy" or "styling" or "wow", rather it looks like my montior is broken or it's a mistake [13:59] scott-work, It's like this every other time I burn a DVD [13:59] ailo: that's good it's installing now :) [13:59] scott-work, But that's on virtual box, though [13:59] ailo: that's strange, i've almost never had problems with burning dvd's [14:00] scott-work, But, now it failed :( [14:00] i tend to use RW dvds and eventually the disc goes bad but that's really about it [14:00] ailo: awww, it's okay, you tried, i'll get them all this weekend [14:00] scott-work, I probably don't use the best sort of DVD's [14:00] my son won't be happy he will not be able to play minecraft while i do it though :P [14:01] scott-work, It's not any tasksel either [14:02] It's won't install even if I select none of them [14:02] It's funny that this can happy at beta 2 stage [14:02] Did we miss it at beta 1? [14:03] Don't think I did a real install then [14:03] happen* [14:06] scott-work, Seems like it's hal [14:06] scott-work, The log said, ubuntustudio-desktop: Depends hal, but is not installabe [14:08] scott-work, hal has been removed from the standard Ubuntu Desktop a while back, and it is supposed to be outdated [14:40] ailo: i got so tired of tasksels [14:40] i think it was 9.04 [14:40] i swore them off [14:58] hal should still be available although in the universe repository [14:58] ailo: but maybe i royally screwed up with the ISO link :/ [14:59] i keep looking at this image the kokito did because i think it rocks so hard: https://picasaweb.google.com/jorge.g.mare/UbuntuStudioArtwork#5595645470727783042 [14:59] ailo: wasn't this the link i gave you? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntustudio/all [14:59] if so then this should be the current images [17:28] scott-work, That's the link I used [17:28] hal caused the problem [18:08] interesting, i'll double check this tonight/weekend [20:04] holstein: did you get any ISO testing done? did you experience the same problems as ailo? [21:40] scott-work: i saw the issue [21:40] and decided to hold off a bit [21:40] scott-work: will there be fixes? [21:46] holstein: i don't know that the trouble isn't specific to ailo's situation, i was hoping to have corroboration with someone else [21:47] scott-work, The trouble was that hal couldn't be installed. There was no error message about it being corrupted. I looked in the syslog, and it just said, it can't be installed [21:57] ailo, i have downloaded the same ISO as you (i believe), if i have the same trouble I will then download the daily image and try again [21:57] i know that there was some changes to the seeds during part of the QA testing with HAL [21:58] it may be a situation where HAL is a problem and we *do* need to pull it out [21:58] it may be a problem that was outside the scope of the image building problems that were experienced [21:58] scott-work, They seem to be updated now and again. Mine was downloaded the same time as yours yesterday. [21:59] they rebuilt the image several times the other day so it may be a complete crap shoot as to which one we got :/ [22:00] i am tempted to just download the latest daily image and start there, but i really do want to see if there is a problem with the beta 2 image [22:00] scott-work, Right. I should try downloading again, and use Virtual Box this time to test that it works first [22:01] cool [22:01] im getting on it then... [22:02] ailo: was that 32 and 64? [22:02] holstein, 32 [22:03] holstein, That's what I was told to install by ScottL [22:03] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntustudio/all right? [22:03] thats where im getting them [22:03] holstein, Tried on my machine and virtual box [22:03] holstein, Right