[00:20] <meganerd> ailo_: well, I have a very rudimentary data collection banged out.  Work was busier than expected so I did not get any further.
[00:20] <meganerd> ailo_: also, lsusb is tougher to parse than lspci.  I just need to add a second step.  
[00:27] <meganerd> ailo_: If you want to have a look at it here is the latest (pretty tame) version: http://paste.ubuntu.com/594260/
[00:37] <ailo_> meganerd, Ok. I'm sure we can solve that later on. Then there's starting jack and ardour. Don't know if we can change frames/period on the fly. I think it's possible. xruns from starting application should not be counted. Last time I only came as far as passing the error message from jack, but I didn't parse it.
[00:39] <ailo_> And I've never started ardour from the command line either
[00:39] <ailo_> Actually, it may be wiser to use another program
[00:39] <ailo_> puredata is a nice tool
[00:44] <ailo_> meganerd, On installing the kernel and giving user realtime privilege, I already have a script that does that, after checking on those. Just to let you know there is code on that.
[01:12]  * Kokito wonders if he is still connected to the channel...
[01:12] <ailo_> Kokito, ?
[01:12] <Kokito> ah, I am :)
[01:12] <Kokito> hi ailo_
[01:13] <ailo_> Hi. 
[01:13]  * Kokito has done a bit of work on the new website theme front page
[01:13] <ailo_> Kokito, Are you getting close to letting us try it out?
[01:15] <Kokito> ailo_: as soon as a get the front page slider images done, I will put it online for you guys to play with it
[01:15] <Kokito> most likely next week
[01:16] <ailo_> Kokito, If you don't have anywhere else to put it, just use my server later
[01:16] <Kokito> I have hosting space/bandwidth
[01:16] <Kokito> it's shared hosting, but for staging should be ok
[01:17] <ailo_> Kokito, ok
[01:18] <Kokito> thanks for the offer though :)
[01:18] <ailo_> Kokito, Sure
[01:36] <Kokito> brb
[01:56] <meganerd> ailo_: I was thinking of using csound since it has a complete CLI interface. We can also start and stop jack whenever we want, we would just start it with different variables.
[01:57] <meganerd> ailo_: it is not a hard problem, just a tedious one.
[01:57] <ailo_> meganerd, Sounds like a deal, then
[01:58] <ailo_> I should look into that program myself. Gotten used to do everything in csound
[01:58] <ailo_> I mean puredata
[01:58] <ailo_> Since some apps aren't up to par when it comes to stabilityu
[01:59] <ailo_> meganerd, We don't need anything special happen either. But, to cut down the testing time, I think we need to do one thing
[02:00] <ailo_> meganerd, We start with the lower settings. As soon as there is an xrun, or a certain number of xruns, we go to a higher latency
[02:00] <ailo_> meganerd, When it can run for a longer period of time without xruns, we have the results we need
[02:01] <ailo_> meganerd, At least, it needs to run for some time on the lowest possible latency, before we can determine it was stable
[02:01] <ailo_> meganerd, There are some weird things happening with -generic, that doesn't look normal xrun-wise to me, on one of my systems.
[02:02] <ailo_> meganerd, So, we need to give it some time..
[02:02] <meganerd> ailo_: we can just specify the settings in an array, or start from a baseline and just increment from there.  The idea I had was to use csound and some sample audio, it would copy it, transform it, mangle it, basically simulating the sorts of things that happen in the real world.
[02:02] <meganerd> ailo_: looks like I am going to be dusting off my bash guides :)
[02:03] <ailo_> meganerd, I think the test needs to run for at least 5 minutes on one setting
[02:04] <ailo_> meganerd, So, it would be good to skip a setting, if there is a lot of xruns already in the beginning
[02:04] <ailo_> meganerd, Just mark it: unusable, or something
[02:04] <ailo_> meganerd, And, when a setting works, no need to go further
[02:04] <ailo_> No need to count xruns at all, reallyu
[02:05] <ailo_> Unless, we want to compare unusable settings as well
[02:05] <meganerd> well, I am going to have to in order to determine severity.  I would probably ignore the first 10-30 seconds until everything is loaded, 
[02:06] <meganerd> I want to keep the overall footprint small, so even netbooks can get usable results
[02:06] <ailo_> meganerd, Yeah, We don't want to count xruns that come from loading
[02:06] <ailo_> netbooks. Just realized I have one... :P
[02:55] <ScottL> ailo_, are you still going to be able to help with ISO testing?
[02:55] <ailo_> ScottL, Sure. Do we start now?
[02:55] <ScottL> sure, now is okay :)
[02:55] <ScottL> i'm downloading the ISO still
[02:55] <ailo_> ScottL, Daily?
[02:57] <ScottL> ailo_, i was using the official qa testing iso, i'll get the link
[02:58] <ScottL> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/info/5457
[02:58] <ScottL> i won't be able to start and finish one tonight, but i can start it tomorrow after work
[03:01] <ailo_> ScottL, Ok. Got it. So, we do this, once a day?
[03:01] <ScottL> no, we just need to install these images to validate the actual ISO
[03:01] <ScottL> ailo_, these are milestones we need to do throughout the cycle
[03:02] <ScottL> it wouldn't hurt to test a few other things, like does jack work as expected
[03:02] <ailo_> ScottL, Ok. I thought we did this because of some problems
[03:02] <ScottL> ailo_, yes, there were problems with the ISO actually building at one point
[03:03] <ScottL> unfortunately, the problems came when we were scheduled to actually test the beta2 iso
[03:04] <ailo_> ScottL, Ok. I will install today. I'll try to test as much as possible, just to have a good look at it ( I really need to setup network installation, cause DVD burning is not optimal )
[03:05] <ScottL> ailo_, are you able to do a full install?
[03:05] <ailo_> ScottL, Haven't tried from DVD in a while now
[03:05] <ScottL> if not it's okay, i can do all the test, it will just take a little bit of time
[03:06] <ailo_> ScottL, As long as there's no problem with the image, I should be able to install
[03:25] <ScottL> ailo_, oh, good :)
[03:26] <ScottL> sorry, wife got home and we were catching up a bit
[03:26]  * holstein is home
[03:26] <holstein> ailo_: let me know what you dont get to
[03:26] <holstein> i need to mess with my bass a bit
[03:26] <holstein> but im around
[03:27] <ailo_> I'm downloading now. Expect to install within an hour. If I fail to make a DVD, I might have to wait a couple of hours, but no later than 4
[03:27] <ailo_> Or, no more than 4h from now
[04:32] <Kokito> new iteration of website front page: https://picasaweb.google.com/jorge.g.mare/UbuntuStudioArtwork#5595645470727783042
[04:33] <ailo_> Kokito, You've been working on categories too. Looks great
[04:33] <holstein> yeah
[04:33] <holstein> smokin :)
[04:33] <Kokito> glad you like it :)
[04:33] <Kokito> ailo_: what do you mean by categories?
[04:34] <ailo_> Kokito, Audio, Video, Graphics. Not much work, but seeing that, it looks like it's supposed to be there
[04:34] <Kokito> ahhh! :)
[04:34] <Kokito> I see what you mean
[04:36] <ailo_> I think we might want some kind of quick-guide somewhere, or at least links to documentation. The way it works now, on the official site, I don't think is optimal. We're supposed to work out a new form for documentation for the next release, and the links on the main site should reflect that
[04:36] <ailo_> Probably, the main documentation will be in the wiki, anyhow
[04:36] <holstein> i just zoomed in
[04:36] <holstein> it gets even better
[04:38] <ailo_> But, I guess we have lots of time to decide some of the details, which is great
[04:51] <Kokito> ailo_: my idea is to take this in stages
[04:51] <Kokito> first get the theme and basic structure done
[04:51] <Kokito> then add features & content
[04:51] <Kokito> gradually
[04:51] <Kokito> with regards to the documentation, it could be migrated to the website
[04:52] <Kokito> it makes sense having all the information organized in one place
[04:52] <Kokito> and Drupal can accommodate wiki content w/o problems
[04:52] <Kokito> but whether that happens or not is out of my hands :)
[04:54] <ailo_> Kokito, It would probably be better to leave community documentation on the ubuntu wiki site, but if there is to be a Ubuntu Studio documentation, and the format is easy to mantain, perhaps we could add it to the main site. I'm thinking, at least a quick-guide of some sort, and links to videos
[04:55] <ailo_> Kokito, But, I think we have until 6 months to decide that
[04:59] <ailo_> Burnin', burnin', burniiiin'
[05:25] <ailo_> installin', installin', installiiin..
[05:29] <ailo_> ScottL, It won't go past the tasksel. Even when I don't choose any. Could be a bad DVD. Will try on virtualbox
[13:41] <scott-work> ailo: holstein: and anyone else interested, the original thought on kokito's front page and the "categories" (i.e. "welcome", "audio", "video", "graphics") was too....
[13:41] <scott-work> be a concise place for people who didn't really know about ubuntu studio to learn some good stuff quickly
[13:41] <scott-work> kinda like bullet point overview of what studio offers
[13:42] <scott-work> if you didn't know anythign about ubuntu studio, as a musician, what would you like to learn that might entice you to download and try ubuntu studio
[13:42] <scott-work> and i think the progress of kokito's work is brilliant!
[13:43] <ailo> Yeah. It's looking very nice
[13:43] <ailo> Very clear
[13:43] <ailo> Inviting
[13:43] <ailo> I'm installing on Virtual Box now
[13:43] <ailo> The install failed on my machine earlier
[13:43] <ailo> Couldn't get past tasksels
[13:45] <ailo> scott-work, And the background is purple on the alternate install
[13:45] <ailo> Not the end of the world :)
[13:57] <scott-work> ailo: which background?
[13:57] <ailo> scott-work, During installation using the alternate DVD.
[13:58] <scott-work> i have a purple-ish background for the grub menu which i think is sick, i'm guessing it's the same colour
[13:59] <ailo> scott-work, It seems to be installing now
[13:59] <scott-work> i feel the colour of the grub menu doesn't look "artsy" or "styling" or "wow", rather it looks like my montior is broken or it's a mistake
[13:59] <ailo> scott-work, It's like this every other time I burn a DVD
[13:59] <scott-work> ailo: that's good it's installing now :)
[13:59] <ailo> scott-work, But that's on virtual box, though
[13:59] <scott-work> ailo: that's strange, i've almost never had problems with burning dvd's
[14:00] <ailo> scott-work, But, now it failed :(
[14:00] <scott-work> i tend to use RW dvds and eventually the disc goes bad but that's really about it
[14:00] <scott-work> ailo: awww, it's okay, you tried, i'll get them all this weekend
[14:00] <ailo> scott-work, I probably don't use the best sort of DVD's
[14:00] <scott-work> my son won't be happy he will not be able to play minecraft while i do it though :P
[14:01] <ailo> scott-work, It's not any tasksel either
[14:02] <ailo> It's won't install even if I select none of them
[14:02] <ailo> It's funny that this can happy at beta 2 stage
[14:02] <ailo> Did we miss it at beta 1?
[14:03] <ailo> Don't think I did a real install then
[14:03] <ailo> happen* 
[14:06] <ailo> scott-work, Seems like it's hal
[14:06] <ailo> scott-work, The log said, ubuntustudio-desktop: Depends hal, but is not installabe
[14:08] <ailo> scott-work, hal has been removed from the standard Ubuntu Desktop a while back, and it is supposed to be outdated
[14:40] <holstein> ailo: i got so tired of tasksels
[14:40] <holstein> i think it was 9.04
[14:40] <holstein> i swore them off
[14:58] <scott-work> hal should still be available although in the universe repository
[14:58] <scott-work> ailo: but maybe i royally screwed up with the ISO link :/
[14:59] <scott-work> i keep looking at this image the kokito did because i think it rocks so hard: https://picasaweb.google.com/jorge.g.mare/UbuntuStudioArtwork#5595645470727783042
[14:59] <scott-work> ailo: wasn't this the link i gave you?  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntustudio/all
[14:59] <scott-work> if so then this should be the current images
[17:28] <ailo> scott-work, That's the link I used
[17:28] <ailo> hal caused the problem
[18:08] <scott-work> interesting, i'll double check this tonight/weekend
[20:04] <scott-work> holstein: did you get any ISO testing done?  did you experience the same problems as ailo?
[21:40] <holstein> scott-work: i saw the issue
[21:40] <holstein> and decided to hold off a bit
[21:40] <holstein> scott-work: will there be fixes?
[21:46] <scott-work> holstein:  i don't know that the trouble isn't specific to ailo's situation, i was hoping to have corroboration with someone else
[21:47] <ailo> scott-work, The trouble was that hal couldn't be installed. There was no error message about it being corrupted. I looked in the syslog, and it just said, it can't be installed
[21:57] <scott-work> ailo, i have downloaded the same ISO as you (i believe), if i have the same trouble I will then download the daily image and try again
[21:57] <scott-work> i know that there was some changes to the seeds during part of the QA testing with HAL
[21:58] <scott-work> it may be a situation where HAL is a problem and we *do* need to pull it out
[21:58] <scott-work> it may be a problem that was outside the scope of the image building problems that were experienced
[21:58] <ailo> scott-work, They seem to be updated now and again. Mine was downloaded the same time as yours yesterday.
[21:59] <scott-work> they rebuilt the image several times the other day so it may be a complete crap shoot as to which one we got :/
[22:00] <scott-work> i am tempted to just download the latest daily image and start there, but i really do want to see if there is a problem with the beta 2 image
[22:00] <ailo> scott-work, Right. I should try downloading again, and use Virtual Box this time to test that it works first
[22:01] <holstein>  cool
[22:01] <holstein> im getting on it then...
[22:02] <holstein> ailo: was that 32 and 64?
[22:02] <ailo> holstein, 32
[22:03] <ailo> holstein, That's what I was told to install by ScottL
[22:03] <holstein> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntustudio/all right?
[22:03] <holstein> thats where im getting them
[22:03] <ailo> holstein, Tried on my machine and virtual box
[22:03] <ailo> holstein, Right