[12:53] <Adriannom> hi.  i have ubuntu studio 9.10 and two usb soundcards.  when i plug one in, it appears in pulseaudio.  when i plug the second one in, it does not.  it doesn't matter which order i plug them in.  here's /var/log/messages: http://pastebin.me/052dcc9003cca903c754e4039e098106 - any idea what's happening?
[12:58] <ailo> Adriannom, It's always the same device that doesn't appear? What is it called?
[12:58] <ailo> Two of the same kind?
[13:00] <Adriannom> it's not always the same device that appears, it's whatever is plugged in first ailo
[13:01] <Adriannom> and yes two of the same kind
[13:01] <ailo> Adriannom, When you say, only one appears, do you mean, you only find one of them from the devices menu in pulseaudio preferences?
[13:01] <ailo> How about jack=?
[13:03] <Adriannom> never used jack, how do i check?
[13:04] <ailo> Adriannom, Well, ok. If you open sound preferences, and look in the tab "hardware", you only see one device?
[13:04] <ailo> pulseaudio, that is
[13:04] <ailo> Or, are you using UBuntu Studio?
[13:04] <ailo> In which case it would be opening pulseaudio volume control from the menu
[13:04] <Adriannom> correct, only one device.  i'm using studio 9.10
[13:05] <Adriannom> yup, only one in volume control
[13:05] <ailo> Adriannom, If you do: cat /proc/asound/cards
[13:05] <ailo> Do you see both?
[13:06] <Adriannom> yup
[13:06] <ailo> Adriannom, They will both work with jack, then, most probably
[13:06] <ailo> Don't know why pulseaudio is not showing them both. What is it that you want to do with them?
[13:07] <ailo> Why do you want to connect two at the same time?
[13:07] <Adriannom> the soundcards are inside a mixer, i'm using ultramixer to send to two hardware channels
[13:08] <Adriannom> http://djkit.com/jb-systems/mix3-usb-mixer.html?highlight=mix%203
[13:08] <Adriannom> looking at the image of the back of it should make it clear
[13:08] <ailo> Adriannom, Ok, so it's usb1 + usb 2
[13:10] <Adriannom> hm?
[13:12] <Adriannom> grr, some apps are just not loading on here
[13:12] <Adriannom> like sound preferences :s
[13:12] <Adriannom> and some jack apps
[13:12] <ailo> Adriannom, jack apps won't load if you didn't start jack first
[13:12] <Adriannom> aha
[13:12] <Adriannom> go error messages ;)
[13:13] <Adriannom> so do i need to replace pulseaudio with jack?
[13:13] <ailo> Adriannom, I'm not sure how that device is supposed to work
[13:13] <ailo> Adriannom, pulseaudio is the desktop audio system. Jack is a pro audio system
[13:14] <ailo> You don't need to replace pulseaudio
[13:14] <ailo> Just start jack
[13:14] <ailo> You can install it by doing: sudo apt-get install qjackctl
[13:15] <ailo> That will install the jack control program called qjackctl and jackd, the sound server
[13:15] <ailo> Adriannom, But, to use two cards at the same time, that won't happen automatically
[13:15] <ailo> Adriannom, You would need to create a custom configuration, and I'm not sure if that can be done
[13:16] <Adriannom> :o
[13:16] <ailo> Adriannom, Still, I don't know how your device is supposed to work. 2 devices sounds a little strange
[13:17] <ailo> Adriannom, Try talking with people on #opensourcemusicians and #jack
[13:17] <ailo> There's also #alsa
[13:17] <Adriannom> ailo, do you know normal mixers?
[13:17] <ailo> Sure
[13:17] <ailo> Adriannom, What do you need to know?
[13:18] <Adriannom> it's like that except instead of just plugging audio jacks in as inputs you can plug usb cables in
[13:18] <Adriannom> so i can change the volumes of the music playing through each channel independantly on the hardware mixer
[13:18] <ailo> Well, usb cables are not like audio cables. Each needs a driver
[13:19] <ailo> And, for two devices to work at the same time, you need to create a common interface for them
[13:19] <Adriannom> correct.  in computer terms the mixer just has two normal usb soundcards in it
[13:19] <Adriannom> well, i had another very similar mixer which worked fine like this before
[13:19] <Adriannom> no extra config or anything
[13:19] <ailo> Two usb cables, on Linux?
[13:19] <Adriannom> same os, i just got a new mixer cause the old one broke
[13:20] <Adriannom> yup
[13:20] <Adriannom> making 3 soundcards in total
[13:20] <Adriannom> (onboard included)
[13:20] <Adriannom> all worked fine
[13:20] <ailo> With pulseaudio?
[13:20] <Adriannom> yup
[13:20] <Adriannom> all appeared on pulseaudio separately
[13:20] <ailo> So, you are sure they are not working as one now?
[13:21] <Adriannom> well, maybe they are working as one, i don't know.  i don't know how to check
[13:21] <ailo> It would sound strange to me, though
[13:21] <ailo> If they did
[13:21] <Adriannom> yeah
[13:22] <ailo> So, you used pulseaudio mixer to choose which card was used with which program?
[13:22] <Adriannom> seems i can play music out of both soundcards fine
[13:22] <ailo> Ah, but you use a special program, you said
[13:23] <ailo> Ultra mixer, right?
[13:23] <Adriannom> yeah, but i bet it'd work with any program, it's jsut using oss to play to the sound cards
[13:23] <Adriannom> i can see both soundcards fine
[13:23] <Adriannom> just not in the volume control, and one channel is quieter than the other
[13:23] <ailo> oss would be a different story all togehter
[13:23] <Adriannom> ah
[13:24] <Adriannom> oss has nothing to do with pulseaudio?
[13:24] <ailo> In oss you can use two cards just fine. But not with pulseaudio
[13:24] <ailo> pulseaudio is using alsa
[13:24] <Adriannom> oooh, sorry, my mistake
[13:24] <ailo> So, does ultra mixer not work?
[13:24] <Adriannom> it works
[13:24] <Adriannom> so i guess i could try an oss mixer
[13:25] <ailo> I don't know the specifics of oss. It is the oldest audio system
[13:26] <ailo> What else do you want to do, if ultra mixer already works?
[13:28] <ailo> Well, if you do have problems with pulseaudio, one way to turn pulseaudio off is to run a command like this: pasuspender -- mycommand
[13:28] <ailo> I think you have that on Karmic. Not sure
[13:29] <Adriannom> well, if i can get an oss mixer to work then there's no problem, probably best to not try to fix it any further, after all this is a production machine :p
[13:30] <ailo> pasuspender only suspends PA
[13:30] <ailo> Don't know what you are intending to use OSS for
[13:30] <ailo> Adriannom, I have to go, though
[13:31] <Adriannom> all i need to do is adjust the volumes of each soundcard because they are off
[13:31] <Adriannom> i'm researching that now.  thanks a lot for your help :)
[13:31] <Adriannom> you've basically solved my problem
[13:31] <ailo> Adriannom, Sure. Good luck
[13:31] <Adriannom> later!
[13:32] <ailo> Adriannom, Try alsamixer, btw. Don't know if that will work
[13:32] <ailo> Use F6 to switch between cards
[13:32] <Adriannom> fixed :D
[13:32] <ailo> Ok. Good
[13:33] <Adriannom> ok i'll try that, might make it easier
[13:33] <Adriannom> thanks again :)
[21:45] <taddaaaaa> hey im trying 2 get ubs to work on vmware for test but only get the terminal
[21:46] <ailo> taddaaaaa, Which one did you install?
[21:46] <taddaaaaa> 10.10
[21:46] <taddaaaaa> 64 bit
[21:47] <ailo> taddaaaaa, Sounds odd.
[21:47] <ailo> taddaaaaa, You could try 32bit.
[21:47] <ailo> taddaaaaa, I've had no problems
[21:48] <ailo> Don't try it that often, though
[21:48] <taddaaaaa> it's in vmware
[21:48] <taddaaaaa> if i have to boot interface or something??
[21:49] <ailo> taddaaaaa, Actually, I've never tried wmware. Only Virtual Box
[21:49] <taddaaaaa> yea i just need to get into the interface
[21:49] <ailo> taddaaaaa, But, if there is some strange problem with the graphics, you could try recovery mode
[21:50] <taddaaaaa> i just get the terminal
[21:51] <ailo> taddaaaaa, When you boot, press down shift to get to the grub boot menyu
[21:51] <ailo> There, you'll find recovery mode
[21:52] <ailo> taddaaaaa, But, I would bet, that won't help
[21:52] <ailo> taddaaaaa, It works on Virtual Box for me
[21:53] <taddaaaaa> ill try 2 c ok babai