[00:00] <arand> delac: Ah, true, oops, saw tha you'd already mentioned that...
[00:01] <nOStahl> im on intel drivers as well
[00:02] <arand> delac: I don't know I'm afraid, it may be specific to drivers, if not, creating a new user and testing there would make sure it has naught to do with settings
[00:02] <BajK> *putting notebook to standby, let's see if it wakes up again*
[00:02] <bastayahijo1> how do I verify I have beta2 and not beta1
[00:03] <BajK> hm
[00:03] <charlie-tca> !final | bastayahijo1
[00:03] <BajK> nope, all i get is a black screen -.-
[00:03] <delac> arand: well, it does work correctly on classic. maybe I should try another user.
[00:03] <bastayahijo1> ubottu: it's up to date, so I guess I have it
[00:04] <bastayahijo1> nice
[00:04] <arand> Why is ubottu suggesting a dist-upgrade? >_<
[00:04] <bastayahijo1> arand: from 10.10 to 11.04 right
[00:04] <BajK> and kernel panic xD
[00:05] <yofel> arand: you do realise you need dist-upgrade to get the deps right?
[00:05] <yofel> blame the devs for the naming :S
[00:05] <charlie-tca> If you don't use dist-upgrade, you wind up not upgrading the kernel
[00:05] <yofel> aptitude FTW! :P
[00:06] <delac> arand: nope, doesn't work there either
[00:06] <charlie-tca> dist-upgrade in ubuntu only installs updates, it will not upgrade to the next release
[00:06] <arand> Hmm, I thought dist-upgrde only did allow additional removals as it's "thing"
[00:07] <BajK> *hoping that suspend to disk works*
[00:07] <arand> charlie-tca: Well if you edit sources.list it will, though the only time you'd want to do that is pre-alpha when it hasn't been enable d yet...
[00:08] <BajK> lol, the power lamp on the notebook is blinking yellow (i.e. standby) but the screen still shows a blinking cursor :D
[00:09] <charlie-tca> I have never had to edit sources.list to get all the updates installed.
[00:10] <arand> charlie-tca: To go from release to release it is needed if do-release-upgrade isn't enabled.
[00:10] <BajK> ok, suspend to disk doesnt work either -.-
[00:10] <BajK> so I have to disable all this
[00:11] <BajK> maaan is it really so hard implementing standardized acpi features?
[00:11] <arand> charlie-tca: There's usually a period where there is no liveCDs nor d-r-u is enabled, if you want +1 at that point, that's the only way to go ;)
[00:12] <charlie-tca> And that has nothing to do with doing your udates to keep the system current.
[00:13] <yofel> arand: the problem is that 'upgrade' does not add/remove and packages to resolve dependencies, unlike aptitude safe-upgrade. So you need to regularily use dist-upgrade to get all updates with apt-get
[00:14] <arand> I had the impression that those cases were'nt actually very common, past beta or so, I guess I'm mistaken... safe-upgrade acts the same way right?
[00:16] <yofel> I think safe-upgrade will add packages but refuse to remove any, which is enough to get kernel updates in. apt-get upgrade won't install any added packages
[00:17] <arand> Heh, I didn't think it was that long ago I used apt-get, guess it must be :/
[00:18] <KM0201> well, my computer didn't melt
[00:18] <KM0201> lol
[00:19] <KM0201> i'm not to fond of Quassel just yet.. but that's easily remedied
[00:20] <yofel> the only thing quassel is missing is DCC support, which I almost never use. But it's the only GUI client I know that can mimick irssi+screen+ssh behaviour
[00:20] <KM0201> i don't particularly like it... but like i said, easily remedied.
[00:21] <KM0201> how do i add widgets to the panel... everytime i try, it never adds.
[00:21] <yofel> KM0201: Klick on that "cashew" in the panel -> add widgets
[00:22] <KM0201> hmm, isn't working for some reason.
[00:22] <KM0201> (i tried that).... i add it, but it doesn't show up.
[00:23] <yofel> o.O works here
[00:23] <KM0201> ok, once i choose the widget to add, what do i do, just double click it, or drag/drop, or what?
[00:23] <yofel> both should work
[00:26] <KM0201> ok, i think i got adding widgets down
[00:26] <KM0201> now, how can i put them where i want them... as opposed to them just getting put somewhere.
[00:27] <yofel> click on add widgets, then you can select them in the panel and move them around while the menu is open
[00:27] <yofel> ah no, just click on the cashew
[00:27] <yofel> not on add widgets
[00:27] <KM0201> ok.
[00:27] <KM0201> what i'm finding, is i don't like the default panel, so I'm setting up my own (or attempting to..lol)
[00:28] <yofel> I doubt anyone is using the default panel..
[00:29] <KM0201> hmm, the panel is a little weird to work w/(the spacing, etc..) but i think i can get the hang of it.
[00:32] <KM0201> man this panel is frustrating.
[00:32] <KM0201> shouldn't be this difficult
[00:33] <KM0201> everytime i set something, it moves all the way back to the left.
[00:35] <ceed^> Does anyone know if there's going be more configuration options for Unity?
[00:35] <yofel> KM0201: my current desktop http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/plasma1.png
[00:35] <yofel> (edited)
[00:37] <delac> hmm, it seems they forgot to provide new 32px icons for workspace switcher and trash, so if you resize the launcher to 32px, it will revert back to the old icons. however this wont happend straight away after the resize. the new icons will resiz to 32px as they are svg, but when the launcher decises to check the icons for some reason, it will revert to more appropriately sized icons (the old ones) which might confuse the hell out of 
[00:38] <KM0201> yofel: looks pretty good.
[00:38] <delac> also, it seems that the launcher icons are not referenced from the user selectable icon set, but are (maybe) hard linked from unity, so you wont be able to change unitys icon set from appearances...
[00:38] <KM0201> yofel: no offense, but this sucks.
[00:39] <KM0201> lol
[00:39] <yofel> :S what's now?
[00:39] <KM0201> organizing the panel is an exercise in frustration
[00:39] <KM0201> everytime i move something onto the panel, it just moves all the way to the left.
[00:39] <KM0201> rather than where i want it.
[00:40] <yofel> when you move it between 2 other widgets on the panel they should make space by themselves
[00:40] <KM0201> hmm, lemme try again.
[00:40] <KM0201> it seems everything moves to the left, no matter what i do.
[00:41] <yofel> hm, here the panel becomes highlighted at the place the widget will be placed when I move it
[00:42] <KM0201> yofel: i add the icons i want.. then i click the cashew to move them.
[00:42] <KM0201> and then drag them where i want them.
[00:42] <KM0201> then it just moves them back
[00:43] <KM0201> yofel_: i add the icons i want.. then i click the cashew to move them.
[00:43] <KM0201> then i drop them where i want them, then it just moves them back.
[00:44] <yofel_> geh, can you repeat that? got disconnected
[00:44] <KM0201> ok.
[00:45] <KM0201> i add the widget that i want.. and it moves it all the way to the left
[00:45] <KM0201> i click the cashew, i get the little "4 arrows" i move the widget where i want it, and drop it.
[00:45] <KM0201> then it gets moved back to the left.
[00:45] <yofel> do the other widgets move when you drag it?
[00:45] <yofel> while you drag it
[00:45] <KM0201> um, hold on
[00:45] <KM0201> yes...
[00:46] <yofel> they should, as the panel shows the new widget location in real time
[00:46] <KM0201> right.. they move in place wherever i have the one i'm actually moving
[00:46] <KM0201> but when i drop the one i'm moving, it immediately moves back to the "left"..
[00:47]  * yofel boots the live disk in a VM
[00:47] <KM0201> thanks
[00:48] <KM0201> sorry, dog went nanners so i went to see what she was barking at
[00:48] <dougalb> quick question about gnome keyring: i am unable to select unlock this keyring automatically when i log in. is this a known issue/easy fix?
[00:50] <yofel> KM0201: can't reproduce this here, when I add a widget by double click it adds it to the default panel at the right, when I click on the cashew I can move it and place it where I want and it stays there
[00:50] <KM0201> hmm
[00:50] <KM0201> and your'e on the live cd, right?
[00:51] <yofel> yes, no compositing though in KVM, but plasma shouldn't care about that
[00:52] <KM0201> ok
[00:52] <KM0201> sorry about that
[00:52] <KM0201> i don't understand this.
[00:53] <KM0201> hold on yofel, i'll show you
[00:58] <yofel> KM0201: just to make sure: you're clicking on the cashew on the panel? not the one in the top right corner of the screen?
[00:58] <KM0201> pretty sure
[00:59] <delac> KM0201: have you tried the spacers?
[00:59] <KM0201> i think i just found the problem
[00:59] <KM0201> yes, i tried the spacers
[01:00] <delac> KM0201: didnt work?
[01:00] <KM0201> well, maybe not
[01:00] <KM0201> hold on
[01:00] <KM0201> no, it dind't work
[01:00] <delac> KM0201: can't resize the spacer?
[01:00] <KM0201> delac: i tried, if i wanted to move something all the way to the right, i had to make the spacer the entire size of the panel
[01:00] <MK``> What are the system requirements for Natty/compared to Maverick
[01:01] <delac> KM0201: well, that is one way
[01:01] <KM0201> then i couldn't add anything else to the panel.. if i resized the spacer, to be "small" to the right.. it moved the icon back to the left.
[01:01] <delac> KM0201: use more spacers :)
[01:01] <KM0201> you can't
[01:02] <delac> KM0201: ?
[01:02] <KM0201> ..
[01:02] <delac> KM0201: just add them from the Add Spacers
[01:06] <KM0201> i like the interface, but this is ridiculous
[01:06] <delac> KM0201: you got more spacers?
[01:06] <KM0201> delac: you're not getting what i'm saying
[01:07] <KM0201> i've used spacers
[01:07] <KM0201> when i make the spacer big enough to move the icons to the right (or whrever i want them) i can't add anymore icons to the pane.
[01:07] <KM0201> so i make the spacer smaller, and it moves the icons back tot he left
[01:07] <delac> KM0201: can you get more than one spacer?
[01:07] <KM0201> ..
[01:07]  * KM0201 sighs.
[01:08] <delac> KM0201: if you want to align widget to middle, put spacer on both sides
[01:09] <delac> KM0201: then you can also have widgets on left and right side
[01:09] <KM0201> delac: no offense, you're just repeating yourself, and you're not hearing what i'm saying
[01:09]  * yofel only has one panel where the task manager acts as a spacer and the widets are left and right of that
[01:09] <delac> KM0201: yes
[01:10] <yofel> which is how the default panel behaves too
[01:10] <KM0201> how do you install recordmydesktop on kubuntu?
[01:11] <yofel> system settings -> software management
[01:11] <yofel> or alt+f2 kpackagekit
[01:11] <Olson> hello, please. I upgraded to 11.04 earlier and now I log in to old account and just get my old wallpaper with no desktop icons or toolbars, alt + f2 or nothing works, so I create new account to use this which is fine. I feel it might be settings or theme related so can I maybe remove or rename folder like ~/.gnome or so to get back original theme? Is there someway to reset defaults but keep my home directories and such intact, and ho
[01:11] <Olson> w to do?
[01:11] <KM0201> ok, hold on
[01:12] <yofel> recordmydesktop only segfaults here for some reason though...
[01:13] <KM0201> lol, go figure
[01:13] <delac> Olson: if you changed your compiz settings beforehand, then you might one to trash ~/.compiz to try to solve the problem. But do make backup from it before.
[01:14] <KM0201> if i can't make this work, i'll freaking install just to make my point..lol
[01:14] <Olson> delac, I wasn't using compiz previously, however I will try what you say thank you
[01:15] <delac> KM0201: make your panel like this:      WIDGET| spacer| WIDGET| spacer| WIDGET         and then try to resize either of the spacers
[01:15] <KM0201> ok, hang ona sec..
[01:16] <delac> Olson: if you didnt use compiz before, I dont think you have ~/.compiz at all
[01:18] <Olson> delac, indeed, .compiz doesn't exist in old home directory. I'm happy to lose all settings, just really dont want hassle to transfer everything over to new account, can we do this?
[01:18] <KM0201> boy no offense
[01:18] <KM0201> but i have no iea how you guys use that
[01:18] <KM0201> i can't believe people claim thats faster than Gnome/Unity.
[01:19] <KM0201> my lapto locked up so i said screw it, i'm now happily back on Unity now..lol
[01:19] <KM0201> i like the interface, but organizing a panel, should not be that difficult.
[01:19] <KM0201> yofel, and also, i did your spacer, widget, spacer, widget.. before you suggested it, and it did the same thing.. when i tried to resize the spacer, it just moved everything to the left.
[01:20] <delac> KM0201: well yes, the spacers are pretty idiotic
[01:20] <KM0201> .. the spacers were my whole problem
[01:20] <KM0201> if they would work, i could ahve put stuff where i wanted it.
[01:20] <KM0201> as it stood, everything kept getting moved to the left, with or w/o the spacers
[01:21] <Olson> delac, what happens if I remove .gnome or so? it will be recreated when I try to log in again? I really just want old log in back, happy to configure tool bars or so again
[01:21] <yofel> and I don't have any of the issues you are describing...
[01:21] <KM0201> yofel, i think KDE was just revolting against me because of all the bad things i've said about it over the years..lol
[01:22] <KM0201> if i could ahve gotten record my desktop to work, i'd ahve showed you.
[01:22] <yofel> hmpf
[01:22] <yofel> I filed bug 762336 about my crash, let's hope apport doesn't need 2 weeks to retrace that... *sigh*
[01:23] <delac> Olson: yes, it will be recreated, but you will lose settings for many programs. Might also lose your keyrings. I strongly suggest taking backup from it before. Or just rename it to something else. That works too.
[01:24] <Olson> I will do that, thank you delac. Are there any other folders I should know of to rename before attempting log in to reset gnome defaults
[01:24] <Olson> everything can be recovered really, settings or otherwise, I just want to log in
[01:25] <Olson> Also.. sorry to be pain, before I go and do this, I can run 11.04 without compiz right?
[01:26] <yofel> sure either use ubuntu classic (gnome2) or install unity-2d
[01:26] <delac> Olson: on log on screen, select Ubuntu Classic NoEffects
[01:26] <Olson> ohh right, from log in.. perhaps I'll try that before removing things
[01:26] <Olson> :)
[01:27] <delac> Olson: might be good idea
[01:27] <Olson> I didnt know about this.
[01:27] <Olson> thanks!
[01:27] <delac> Olson: do you even have 3d capable graphics card?
[01:27] <Olson> yes.. nvidia GTX series
[01:27] <Olson> I 3d artist :)
[01:27] <delac> Olson: well, then it might be some configuration mismatch
[01:27] <Olson> blender
[01:28] <Olson> I figure because I had MaxOsX theme or so, something happened, it was quite custom set up before
[01:28] <Olson> surprisingly, it worked first time, then I opened firefox and everything went weird, then reboot, nothing shows on desktop.. I panic a little
[01:29] <delac> Olson: there are some more settings in .config .local and .gconf
[01:29] <delac> Olson: so it has worked?
[01:30] <Olson> I dont know yet.. this is my only machine, i gather information then try.. I will go now
[01:33] <delac> KM0201: by the way, the spacers have right click property to expand themselves. that might have been usefull for you :)
[01:33] <KM0201> delac, i know that
[01:33] <KM0201> i tried that.
[01:33] <KM0201> it was the same problem.
[01:34] <delac> KM0201: yes, it is pretty complicated. I admit that. But at least it is possible to make the panel any way you like.
[01:34] <KM0201> yeah, thats the one thing i don't particularly like about Unity.
[01:34] <KM0201> maybe that will get resolved
[01:35] <KM0201> but i tell you what, I'll use Windows before I use KDE again.. that was ridiculous
[01:35] <delac> KM0201: can windows panels be customized?
[01:35] <KM0201> no, but at least it doesnt claim it can be..lol
[01:36] <Olson> hi.. i was here before? I dig old laptop out with 8.10 on it :)
[01:36] <KM0201> Olson, lol, time to upgrae
[01:36] <KM0201> *upgrade
[01:37] <Olson> this laptop wont take the strain :)
[01:37] <KM0201> ah, sure it will.
[01:37] <Olson> anyway is so I can be IRC.. problem is with main box
[01:37] <KM0201> probably won't take KDE (consider that a blessing) or Gnome/Unity.. .but you could probably get Lubuntu running on it.. whats the specs?
[01:37] <Olson> i try Classic settings, no effect but still blank screen
[01:38] <Olson> not care about laptop.. main computer i;d really like help with
[01:38] <Olson> and yes I'm not big fan of KDE :)
[01:38] <Olson> it running XFCE
[01:39] <KM0201> i forgot your problem to be honest, i was busy fussing w/ KDE while you were talking... was it something upgrading, and now you can't log in or something?
[01:39] <delac> Olson: well, then. Time to rename the .compiz, .gnome-2, .local, .config and .gconf
[01:39] <Olson> I log in, and just get old desktop wallpaper, no icons, no toolbars, nothing
[01:39] <Olson> I will do that now
[01:40] <Olson> I forget terminal command to rename
[01:40] <delac> Olson: put something like _old after their names
[01:41] <delac> Olson: i think you need to use move or something...
[01:41] <Olson> arf I suppose I chmod 777 old home from new account to make easier
[01:41] <Olson> i do that
[01:42] <delac> Olson: i suggest you dont chmod
[01:42] <delac> Olson: you might chmod something you dont want
[01:42] <delac> Olson: but use sudo from the other account
[01:43] <Olson> other account doesn't have sudo access
[01:43] <delac> Olson: sudo nautilus
[01:43] <delac> oh
[01:43] <Olson> i did this on purpose..
[01:43] <Olson> sooo....
[01:43] <delac> give it sudo
[01:44] <Olson> i'm sorry to be noobish, I dont know how to do that easily from terninal
[01:44] <Olson> addgrp +sudo or something
[01:44] <delac> not sure myself either...
[01:44] <Olson> im on verge of being a pain so.. if it's not the end of the world to just 777 the account and fix later I go that
[01:45] <yofel> adduser <newuser> admin
[01:45] <yofel> then log out
[01:45] <MK``> What are the system requirements for Natty/compared to Maverick?
[01:45] <yofel> *as* root
[01:45] <yofel> MK``: should be pretty much the same, except that unity requires compiz running
[01:45] <KM0201> whats that gnome tetris game?.. not bastard tetris, the "normal" tetris game
[01:46] <Olson> sudo adduser fix admin      user fix does not exist
[01:46] <MK``> Quadrapassel?
[01:46] <KM0201> MK``, isn't that KDE?
[01:46] <MK``> nope, it's gnome
[01:46] <MK``> background is a giant foot X)
[01:47] <Olson> I 777 the account.. it be fine I fix later
[01:47] <KM0201> MK``, yeah, i think thats it, hang on
[01:48] <delac> Olson: this fix is going to make so much changes to your account, that it might be easier to just trash the whole thing and start a new one
[01:49] <Olson> delac, yeah..I was kind of resigned to that fact earlier.. i just wanted to try, and thank you for taking time to attempt a help
[01:51] <Olson> I can move configuration directories over to new account for programs I use and stuff, sure, it's just "work" and i have enough of that :)
[01:51] <delac> Olson: yes, it's about which approach is easier. you are going to lose much of your settings this way, so it might be good idea to start from clean slate anyway. at least there wouldn't be any possible conflicting settings hiding then
[01:52] <delac> Olson: yes, for Blender and such. But I dont recommend that for any desktop settings.
[01:53] <Olson> delac, indeed you're right, not worry about blender, build from source that everyday, i'm kinda 'involved' in that project
[01:53] <Olson> everything is different! gnome 3
[01:54] <Olson> show hidden files and folders.. where that go?
[01:54] <delac> In nautilus? Should be there.
[01:55] <Olson> no menu bar
[01:55] <delac> Olson: menu bar is in top panel
[01:55] <Olson> ohhh
[01:55] <Olson> lol..
[01:55] <delac> Olson: yes, not everyone likes that
[01:55] <Olson> like OSX
[01:56] <Olson> mm i try it
[01:58] <Olson> oookyy
[01:58] <Olson> I has some action
[01:59] <Olson> I renamed what you said and now can get in.. I see how we go with that
[02:01] <Olson> desktop icons are massive
[02:02] <delac> Olson: you mean the ones in Dash? yes they are and unfortunately unresizable
[02:02] <Olson> desktop ones
[02:02] <delac> Olson: oh, they shouldn't be larger than normal
[02:03] <Olson> mm.. i had them small somehow last time
[02:03] <Olson> anyway.. lots of errors.. this and that closing unexpedetly,. i think new account must be way forward
[02:04]  * KM0201 <3's Quadrapassel
[02:04] <delac> Olson: in that case it might be
[02:04] <Olson> of course you were right though I wanted to see :) hope that's ok
[02:04] <Olson> yah.. millions of closing unexpetedly :P
[02:07] <KM0201> the ops lurk among us.
[02:07] <KM0201> :)
[02:10] <KM0201> !isitoutyet > KM0201
[02:10] <BUGabundo> LOL
[02:10] <KM0201> ?
[02:10] <KM0201> :)
[02:11] <KM0201> the next time i say i want to try KDE, i want someone here to promise to send me a virus that melts my computer
[02:11] <Olson> can I ask if you're getting on with new gnome3 thing, or rather using the classic version
[02:11] <delac> KM0201: maybe next time dont touch the panel :)
[02:12] <arand> Olson: natty uses unity/gnome2, not gnome3
[02:12] <KM0201> i still feel like i need an alcoholic drink an hour after i stopped using it..lol
[02:12] <KM0201> delac, well, that removes any advantage it would have had over a normal Ubuntu..
[02:12] <Olson> arand, ohhh
[02:12] <Olson> so is this unity a good thing?
[02:12] <KM0201> the *ONLY* thing i dislike about Unity, is that I can't customize the icons on my top panel... and really it's only missing 2 that I really want... Force Quit, and System Monitor.
[02:13] <KM0201> Olson, ask that question to 10 people, and you'll get 12 different answers
[02:13] <delac> KM0201: it does have many more odd customization possibilities
[02:13] <Olson> sure.. i just wondered what you 4 or 5 thought
[02:13] <KM0201> yeah.
[02:13] <KM0201> Olson, personally, i like it... but I don't think its as good as it could be... yet.
[02:13] <KM0201> i look for Unity to really be good around 11.10, or 12.04
[02:14] <KM0201> it's a little laggy at times
[02:14] <KM0201> not horrible, and not that frequent, but you'll see it on occasion
[02:14] <Olson> so.. maybe I keep it "classic" and live like before
[02:14] <KM0201> Olson, thats certainly an option...
[02:14] <Olson> well,. i need to reconfigure whole experience now anyway.. so,,,
[02:14] <yofel> unity is usable IMHO, but the almost complete lack of any settings for unity doesn't really make me want to use it. As I'm not too happy with the default
[02:15] <KM0201> Olson, i'm a full blown Gnome whore... so i can totally appreciate wanting to stay w/ Classic... but give unity a try(a real chance, not use 10min, and say no way and let it go)... you might find yourself warming up to it.
[02:15] <Olson> mmmm...
[02:15] <Olson> i dont like change :P
[02:15] <Olson> hehe
[02:15] <KM0201> me either
[02:16] <KM0201> like i said.. it's been a 4 day process me getting used to Unity, but it's growing on me.. the first time I tried it I said.. No way, and went to Classic... then i decided to give it a chance for at least a day, and like i said, its slowly growing on me.
[02:16] <Olson> i made it work for me before.. just got excited about new ubuntu :) it;s never been easy upgrading
[02:16] <Olson> oky. i will try it then
[02:16] <Olson> though.. one thing... I dont want compiz
[02:16] <Olson> anywhere
[02:17] <KM0201> i'm not a fan of compiz either.
[02:17] <KM0201> compiz does make some of the settings for Unity a little easier to set up though.
[02:17] <KM0201> oh oh oh.. i finally found i have a question
[02:17] <Olson> same as I wont use pulseaudio, I do not want compiz
[02:17] <KM0201> in the applications button.. how can i change the Icons for an application.
[02:17] <Olson> so perhaps unity is not for me
[02:18] <KM0201> pulseaudio isn't bad... that's another example of Ubuntu releasing something that was crap, knowing it was crap, with the intent of fixing it as time went along.
[02:18] <KM0201> by 10.04.. Pulse was pretty good... and it's still great in 11.04
[02:19] <Olson> well i dont want it or need it, i want my ALSA, and I have various reasons for it
[02:19] <rww> and it still doesn't do anything I want to do that ALSA doesn't
[02:19] <Olson> ye
[02:19] <KM0201> rww, i didn't really get that... maybe i'm still in a KDE haze
[02:19] <KM0201> you're saying Pulse audio doesn't really do anything Alsa doesn't... right?
[02:20] <rww> KM0201: Pulseaudio does things that ALSA doesn't do. I don't care because I don't use any of those things.
[02:20] <Olson> no he says pulse doesnt do anything he NEEDS that alsa doesn't
[02:20] <KM0201> rww, oh ok.. that makes sense.
[02:20]  * KM0201 goes back to sucking his thumb in the corner while trying to get over the nightmare that is KDE
[02:21] <rww> I like KDE more than you don't like KDE.
[02:21] <KM0201> lol.. rww, i don't think thats possible
[02:21] <Olson> so hang on.. I confused now.. perhaps beer or the late hour, but..
[02:21] <rww> I think it is <3
[02:21] <Olson> arf nvm
[02:22] <Olson> i want try unity without compiz.. is ok?
[02:22] <Olson> no effect nothing
[02:22] <KM0201> for some reason i'm reminded of that quote from ghostbusters, Ray Stantz: "What he means, sir, is Old Testament situations. Real Wrath-of-God-type stuff! Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies... Rivers and seas boiling..."
[02:22] <KM0201> Egon Spengler: "Forty years of darkness, earthquakes, volcanoes..."
[02:22] <KM0201> Winston Zeddemore: "The dead rising from the grave!"Peter Venkman: "Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!"
[02:23] <Olson> wasted processing power I need for rendering
[02:23] <rww> Olson: Unity is (at least partially) a Compiz plugin, so no. Look into Unity 2D, which is a different, somewhat similar thing.
[02:23] <KM0201> thats how i felt using KDE
[02:23] <KM0201> lol
[02:23] <KM0201> i didn't know Unity had a 2D version...
[02:23] <Olson> rww, oky I think i'll just use classic though, thank you
[02:25] <pelmen> Hello, just installed Gnome3, gnome-shell on 11.04, and it keeps crashing on me on startup. Sysmes says gnome-shell segfault at c ip bla bla address error 4 in libGl.. anyone familiart ?
[02:25] <KM0201> pelmen, oh man, good luck... Gnome 3 pushed me to reinstall... it was awful
[02:25] <KM0201> kept locking up, etc.
[02:25] <rww> KM0201: it uses Qt, so you're probably allergic to it.
[02:26] <delac> :)
[02:26] <KM0201> rww, lol, good possibility.. i did feel hives coming up on my back
[02:26] <pelmen> DAMMET
[02:26] <rww> and yes, the GNOME3 PPA for natty isn't very stable I hear
[02:26] <KM0201> rww, yeah, it was a mess fo rme.. it lasted all of about 15min, i tried to get in Gnome-Classic... no joy.. ended up just reinstalling
[02:29] <Olson> arrgh,,, where is make desktop icons smaller
[02:30] <delac> Olson: they do have some resize thing on the right click menu
[02:30] <KM0201> Olson, make smaller?
[02:30] <delac> Olson: althoug I wonder if that is what you need...
[02:31] <Olson> before I had nice small desktop icons.. i did it somehow
[02:31] <KM0201> not sure thats an option w/ desktop icons.. you just resize them.
[02:31] <Olson> now they're just massive and silly looking
[02:32] <KM0201> Olson, http://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/how-to-resize-desktop-icons-in-ubuntu-linux/
[02:32] <KM0201> looks like you want #2
[02:32]  * KM0201 uses his Google foo to karate chop Ubuntu
[02:33] <delac> I was just going to suggest that :(
[02:33] <KM0201> lol
[02:33] <KM0201> i knew it was in nautilus, just wasn't exactly sure where
[02:33] <delac> you ubuntufu is faster than mine
[02:34] <KM0201> years of practice delac-son..... now Paint the fence
[02:34] <KM0201> :)
[02:34] <Olson> ahh yes of course it's a nautilus thing
[02:34] <Olson> thanks KM0201
[02:34] <KM0201> Olson, np
[02:38] <KM0201> i just realized you can add icons to the sidebar
[02:38] <KM0201> lol
[02:39] <rww> natty is very user-friendly.
[02:39] <delac> KM0201: you really haven't been using it much, have you?
[02:39] <KM0201> well, i think Ubuntu is in general to be truthful.
[02:40] <KM0201> delac, i told you i just started using it a couple days ago.
[02:40] <delac> as we all
[02:40] <KM0201> (unity that is).. i was using Gnome Classic.. which.. well, was Gnome.. so i had it all pretty well figured ot.
[02:40] <Olson> it will take me many days to recover from the upgrade
[02:41] <delac> Olson: upgrades tend to be like that
[02:41] <delac> although they really shouldnt
[02:41]  * KM0201 hates upgrading...
[02:41] <KM0201> I always clean install.
[02:42] <delac> well that really isn't less work...
[02:42] <KM0201> i think so.
[02:42] <KM0201> a lot less actually
[02:42] <KM0201> and way faster
[02:42] <KM0201> i took a text file, and any change i make to a program, etc.. i log it in that text file, under the proram name.
[02:42] <delac> KM0201: how do you migrate all the settings?
[02:43] <HTCPX> Im installing natty and currently on the screen that asks if you want to download updates while installing. do you guys recommend ticking or not?
[02:43] <delac> by hand?
[02:43] <KM0201> i nuke the /   reinstall, update, immediately uninstall all software i don't like, install software i like, then roll throught hat text file and set my settings up.
[02:43] <delac> HTCPX: yes
[02:43] <KM0201> usually.. to go from nuking an install, to reinstalling, and having everything back how i want it, takes me about 75min... not long at all.
[02:43] <HTCPX> delay thanks
[02:44] <HTCPX> delac thanks
[02:44] <KM0201> the one time i upgraded, it took way longer than that.. so i never upgraded again
[02:44] <KM0201> not to mention the inherent problems i ran into.
[02:45] <delac> KM0201: well, I have so many settings and installed packages that it would taka couple of days to make all changes again
[02:45] <HTCPX> has the problem with desktop resolutions been fixed in this version? the one where resolutions under 1920x1080 (16:9) only show 16:10th resolutions?
[02:45] <KM0201> delac, oh, probably not... you've just convinced yourself it would... you could also simply just put /home on a separate partition, which should backup all your settings.
[02:46] <delac> KM0201: and I can't even remember all the configurations I have. I do have most important ones in text file, but there are tons of little things
[02:46] <KM0201> delac, thats the thing, i record every single setting.
[02:46] <KM0201> even the little things
[02:47] <KM0201> i can burn through them in about 15-20min, start to finish.
[02:47] <delac> and using separate home is pretty much same as doing upgrade. in both cases there are going to be conflicting settings
[02:47] <KM0201> true.. i don't keep a separate home either
[02:48] <iszak> Is it just me or is desktop effects (wobbly windows, compiz in general) a bit more sluggish in 11.04 on gnome?
[02:48] <BUGabundo> nity nite tin men
[02:48] <KM0201> later BUGabundo
[02:49] <delac> ah, I think I should be going too
[02:49] <Olson> thanks for your help delac
[02:49] <delac> bb
[02:49] <delac> Olson: np, nice to be of any help
[02:49] <Olson> :)
[02:50]  * KM0201 has to get his body clock righted again... I'm gonna stay up till 6am(its 10pm now), sleep 4hrs, then stay up all day tomorrow, till at least midnight.
[02:52] <mahfrk> hi folks, in unity, i want to chnage the order of the icons in launcher. that is i want the s/w center icon before libreoffice icon
[02:53] <KM0201> mahfrk, drag the icon to the desktop(but don't drop it) then drag it back onto the sidebar, and put it where you want it.
[02:54] <mahfrk> KM0201: it is not working for 'Applications' icon
[02:54] <KM0201> mahfrk, it won't work for that one
[02:54] <KM0201> nor the search files... why i don't know
[02:54] <mahfrk> KM0201: okay.thanks
[02:56] <HTCPX> how do I change network settings to support 100mbit internet?
[02:57] <HTCPX> in Windows I changed the tcp window size
[02:59]  * KM0201 just realized he forgot to install Easytag.. :)
[03:00] <ubuntuguy> Because of ubuntu's new scroll feature, I can't use my vertical sliding or two finger slide on trackpad
[03:00] <ubuntuguy> When will they fix this?
[03:01] <KM0201> ubuntuguy, hang on, lemme skype shuttleworth and ask hm.
[03:01] <ubuntuguy> THanks
[03:01] <KM0201> is there a bug report on it?.. if not, file one
[03:02] <ubuntuguy> HM, there's no bug report, nope
[03:02] <ubuntuguy> Well
[03:02] <ubuntuguy> A lot of other people complaint
[03:02] <ubuntuguy> Theremay be
[03:02] <KM0201> well, then i'd say thats the first step to gettin it fixed
[03:02] <ubuntuguy> may*
[03:02] <ubuntuguy> k
[03:09] <Olson_> cannot drag CPU freq scaling monitor on panel
[03:10] <Olson_> others ok
[03:10] <ubuntuguy> You can't edit panel
[03:10] <ubuntuguy> Can you?
[03:10] <Olson_> classic
[03:10] <ubuntuguy> Oh
[03:10] <KM0201> Olson_, in classic you can't?.. hmm.
[03:10] <Olson_> only one so far cannot move
[03:10] <Olson_> temp monitor is ok
[03:13] <kaushal> hi
[03:13] <kaushal> whats the default desktop in Ubuntu 11.04 ?
[03:13] <KM0201> Unity
[03:13] <kaushal> How is it different from Gnome ?
[03:13] <KM0201> assuming your graphics process supports 3D, if it doesn't, you'll default to Gnome.
[03:13] <KM0201> kaushal, it basically just looks different
[03:14] <kaushal> ok
[03:14] <kaushal> so does it mean Unity and gnome are desktop ?
[03:14] <KM0201> ubuntu classic (the gnome you're used to) and unity, are both on the live cd/usb...
[03:14] <KM0201> yes.. more or les
[03:14] <KM0201> *less
[03:14] <kaushal> ok
[03:15] <kaushal> so what makes unity better over gnome ?
[03:15] <kaushal> I mean pros and cons
[03:15] <KM0201> kaushal, you need to use it and figure that out for yourself.. some don't like it some do.
[03:15] <kaushal> ok
[03:15] <KM0201> brb, gotta restart x
[03:15] <ubuntuguy> Unity is easier to use
[03:15] <ubuntuguy> faster
[03:15] <ubuntuguy> more attractive
[03:15] <ubuntuguy> different
[03:15] <kaushal> so the Video Card should have 3D ?
[03:16] <sylon> whats unity
[03:16] <ubuntuguy> Yeah
[03:16] <ubuntuguy> It should
[03:16] <ubuntuguy> To get all the full effects
[03:16] <kaushal> ok
[03:17] <yofel> !unity | sylon
[03:17] <madsailor> I had heard there were bug issues with Unity (specific to Unity).  Now that Natty is in beta how is it performing stability wise?
[03:17] <KM0201> i love ubottu
[03:17] <sylon> oh i thought your talking about the DI framework
[03:17] <yofel> sylon: that is the DI framework
[03:17] <KM0201> madsailor, it's been very stable for me.. but it is a beta...
[03:17] <ub20> unity is good for my tinylaptop, not that nice to work with as desktop.. so I use the classic mode... to bad compiz dont work optimal in classic mode
[03:18] <yofel> madsailor: I only tried it in a VM yesterday, but worked mostly fine there
[03:18] <ubuntuguy> BEta 2 is super stable
[03:18] <ubuntuguy> beta 1 wasn't
[03:18] <yofel> I did get a compiz crash when messing with the compiz settings though
[03:18] <madsailor> yeah, I'd love to give it a try...but kinda need my system to function ;)
[03:18] <kaushal> Does Dell Vostro 3500 supports 3D video Card ?
[03:18] <madsailor> ahhh...vm...excellent I dea
[03:18] <kaushal> where can i get that information ?
[03:18] <KM0201> yofel, lol, even my weak little Intel GPU handles compiz OK.. what are you running,a  commodore 65?
[03:18] <KM0201> *64
[03:18] <KM0201> ugh..
[03:18] <rww> madsailor: if you need your system to function, you should not put development versions of Ubuntu on it.
[03:19] <KM0201> typo killed the joke.
[03:19] <MK``> Is it possible to switch between gnome-shell and unity without logging out?
[03:19] <madsailor> exactly rww
[03:19] <ub20> ubuntuguy, agree, beta2 is stable so far
[03:19] <yofel> KM0201: no, that was in virtualbox, which ran fine until I enabled some Qt plugin in ccsm
[03:19] <ubuntuguy> Yes, it's very stable
[03:19] <rww> madsailor: I use LiveUSBs for hardware testing in that case :)
[03:19] <ubuntuguy> I suggest you upgrade
[03:19] <ubuntuguy> :]
[03:19] <sylon> yofel: eh
[03:19] <yofel> oddly enough aft er a restart the plugin was on and it worked fine
[03:19] <ubuntuguy> Just a few bugs
[03:20] <yofel> sylon: or define "DI" - they both manage the desktop
[03:20] <KM0201> hmm.
[03:20] <sylon> i doubt we are talking about the same DI
[03:20] <KM0201> sound stopped working in xchat gnome
[03:20] <sylon> dependency injection
[03:20] <KM0201> think it might be time to apt-get xchat.. xchat-gnome is getting on my nerves
[03:20] <yofel> sylon: k, I misunderstood then
[03:21] <ub20> ubuntuguy, I use beta2 as my workstation, am not worried at all : )
[03:21] <ubuntuguy> :D
[03:21] <ubuntuguy> I love ubuntu and where they're going with it
[03:21] <KM0201> does anyone know where the xchat-gnome tone is stored?
[03:21] <ubuntuguy> Best linux distro
[03:21] <KM0201> ub20, i hope your gamble doesn't cost you... not very bright in my opinion.
[03:22] <yofel> I don't like that they're making it virtually impossible to configure, but at least there are other desktop envs
[03:22] <KM0201> yofel, yeah...
[03:22] <ubuntuguy> There's no risk KM
[03:23] <ubuntuguy> It's stable enough
[03:23] <ub20> got some problem with the graphicdrivers, reinstalled them and everything was nice (ati)
[03:23] <ubuntuguy> alpha is risky
[03:23] <Olson_> KM0201, i appreciate your help and advice, I guess i'm going to have a mare over the next few days but it'll work out fine, I have what I need working so far
[03:23] <ubuntuguy> Damn small linux is so cool
[03:23] <KM0201> Olson_, hope you get everything worked out.
[03:23] <ubuntuguy> All  that for so little
[03:23] <yofel> alpha is for systems that you don't need as it may break at any time, but the beta2 now is reasonably stable
[03:24] <ub20> KM0201, gambling is fun, it confirms again, ubuntu create stable betas
[03:25] <Olson_> KM0201, i will :)
[03:25] <ubuntuguy> ubuntu ftw!
[03:25] <ubuntuguy> I feel like a mac osx fan
[03:25] <ubuntuguy> lol
[03:27] <KM0201> does anyone know where xchat-gnome stores its alert tone
[03:29] <ahmedhelal> hello i tried installing natty from a daily built that i have downloaded today, but it see my hdd as all freespace while it has a windows partition on it
[03:29] <ahmedhelal> any idea ?
[03:33] <jhouse5266534> I can't seem to configuration options in 11.04.  Things like compiz or its replacement, auto-hiding the left bar.
[03:33] <jhouse5266534> I found something to configure what shows up in menus, but can't find those menus, etc...
[03:34] <jhouse5266534> For example System Settings > Personal > Main Menu.  What does that effect?
[03:35] <Olson_> this update has basically shat in my face and laughed afterwards
[03:35] <KM0201> jhouse5266534, under unity, nothing
[03:35] <Olson_> I shall soldier on :)
[03:36] <KM0201> i'm going crazy here guys
[03:36] <KM0201> surely someone has the answer to my querie
[03:36] <jhouse5266534> KM0201, is that an intentional thing?  Or is it just temporary?  I could have expect the main menu to show up in the top bar when just the desktop is selected or something
[03:36] <KM0201> its intentional.. unity is designed to be completely separate from Gnome... what you're using is actually a Gnome menu configuration tool.
[03:37] <KM0201> you just opened it under unity
[03:37] <buff> have others found the screen flickers black about every 30 seconds in beta2?
[03:37] <jhouse5266534> I could have sworn there were some kind of windowing effects in unity such as compiz.  I can't find those settings.  Am I just imagining things?
[03:37] <rww> !ccsm
[03:38] <KM0201> jhouse5266534, there are
[03:38] <jhouse5266534> KM0201, did ubottu give the right answer?
[03:40] <jhouse5266534> !compiz
[03:40] <KM0201> jhouse5266534, what do you mean?... i didn't need the answer
[03:41] <KM0201> brb, switching to xchat.
[03:41] <jhouse5266534> right, but I do :)  Just tried what it said to install compizconfig-settings-manager.  Definitely wasn't a recognized package name
[03:43] <ub20> jhouse5266534, I do have compizconfig-settings-manager in 11.04
[03:44] <scotty> anyone do the update tonight and mess up their theme???
[03:44] <jhouse5266534> ub20, as a package installable as sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager?
[03:44] <jhouse5266534> ub20, never mind, I left out "install" when typing it :-P
[03:44] <ub20> jhouse5266534, yes
[03:45] <ub20> i have enabled 3d part repocitorys etc... maybe its that
[03:45] <jhouse5266534> how do I do the 3d part?
[03:45] <ub20> jhouse5266534, lol
[03:45] <dylan-m> Hey, does anyone here have the compose key enabled? Can you check if it's working right now? Seems to not be kicking in for me until I change the setting mid-session…
[03:46] <ub20> jhouse5266534, sudo software-properties-gtk
[03:48] <ubuntuguy> I hate how I can't install virtualbox 4 on 11.04
[03:48] <jhouse5266534> ub20, what do I add once I run that?  Also, how do I find the compiz configuration settings?
[03:48] <ubuntuguy> :l
[03:49] <ub20> jhouse5266534, i have enablet everything inside there :D
[03:50] <ub20> ubuntuguy, I do run virtualbox-ose right now
[03:50] <ubuntuguy> I think it has something to do with 3.6
[03:50] <ubuntuguy> But if I uninstall it I'll lose my windows xp
[03:51] <ub20> jhouse5266534, I dont use ubuntus software center, i use synaptic as usual :P
[03:52] <ub20> ubuntuguy, oh..
[03:52] <ubuntuguy> mhm
[03:54] <xieyi> I am using kubuntu 11.04 firefox 4.0 with flashplugin version 10.3 d180. Everytime I close a page with flash content, the whole desktop stuck for a long time and the shutting down process takes longer time. Is it a prevalent symptom?
[03:54] <MK``> dylan-m: my compose key works on 10.10
[03:54] <MK``> ¿, ß, etc.
[03:56] <dylan-m> MK``: I'm wondering about 11.04 in particular ;)
[03:56] <MK``> ah
[03:57] <izinucs> I just booted the live cd beta2 and still no unity interface.. what do I have to do to get the unity interface to show on the live cd?  nvidia 8400 graphics card, plenty of ram and a dual core
[03:58] <roccity_> izinucs, have you tried to install the drivers through additional hardware?
[03:59] <izinucs> roccity_: Can you do that on a live cd?  I thought that nuvou or whatever the opensource nvidia drivers are called, should be loaded as default
[04:00] <bjsnider> you need the libgl1-mesa-dri-experminental package to do compositing with nouveau
[04:00] <izinucs> roccity_: actually since it's a live cd you can't load from the repos where the nvidia current drivers are located unless you change the sources
[04:00] <roccity_> izinucs, I think so I have a broadcom card and when I was running the live it gave me the option to install the driver for that
[04:00] <izinucs> bjsnider: would that be on the live cd?
[04:01] <roccity_> izinucs, and it activated it too
[04:01] <KM0201> ok
[04:01] <bjsnider> i doubt it
[04:01] <KM0201> think i got it set up now.
[04:01] <KM0201> xchat-gnome was getting on my nerves
[04:01] <izinucs> roccity_: not on this one
[04:02] <roccity_> izinucs, was worth a shot :)
[04:02] <izinucs> bjsnider: yea.. not on the cd
[04:03] <izinucs> So I guess the live cd is only for the fallback 2d environment
[04:05] <ub20> KM0201, I guess the logfiles is in ¨/.xchat2/scrollback
[04:05] <KM0201> izinucs, unity worked fine for me on the live cd/usb
[04:05] <KM0201> ub20, huh?
[04:05] <KM0201> i didn't need te logfiles
[04:05] <ub20> KM0201, ahaaa sorry
[04:05] <izinucs> KM0201: It boots but no new interface.. same with beta1
[04:05] <KM0201> i wanted to knwo where the 'alert tone' for xchat-gnome was stored.
[04:06] <KM0201> izinucs, then its likely your graphics device does notsupport 3D out fo the box.. what is your graphics device?
[04:06] <KM0201> izinucs, if your device doesn';t support 3D, it defaults to Gnome Classic (which is what is happening to you)
[04:06] <izinucs> KM0201: nvidia  gforce 8400
[04:07] <KM0201> izinucs, there you go.. you need to install the Nvidia driver to use 3D
[04:07] <KM0201> or restricted driver, or whatever
[04:07] <KM0201> but Nvidia doesn't support 3D out of the box.
[04:07] <izinucs> KM0201: gotcha.. what does support it out of the box?
[04:08] <KM0201> um.. I know some Intel chipsets do... mine is a GM965 i think, on my laptop.. it supported it out of the box.
[04:08] <KM0201> ATI.. highly unlikely... Nvidia.. if its' an "OLD" nvidia.. it would probably be OK.. but honestly, i doubt it.
[04:08] <ub20> KM0201, maybe in .xchat2/sounds ?
[04:08] <KM0201> ub20, lol, i appreciate your looking at it.. but i eventualy found it, corrected the problem, and all is righ twith the world again.. :)... i even had time to convert the ogg to .wav so normal xchat could use it..lol
[04:09] <izinucs> interesting.. so with this release a lot of people won't be able to preview unity.. doesn't run in a vm either.. just 2d.. well. I guess I'll install then over my Lucid install
[04:09] <izinucs> KM0201: xchat wouldn't use an ogg file?
[04:09] <KM0201> izinucs, it seems to be that way.... i couldn't get unity going in vbox either.. but i didn;'t work on it very long
[04:09] <trism> izinucs: it will probably work if you install the package bjsnider suggested while in the live session and log out/back in
[04:09] <KM0201> izinucs, negative.. just a ton of static.
[04:10] <KM0201> trism, maybe.. since he has nvidia, there's a chance.. i never tried tat.
[04:10] <trism> KM0201: I have, it works with my nvidia card, just depends on if it works with his
[04:11] <KM0201> izinucs, but its ok now... converted the ogg to .wav, tones are playing, and all is good w/ the worlld.
[04:11] <KM0201> trism, on the live cd.. or on an install?  i think thats the thing, is izinucs wants to do this on a live cd.
[04:11] <trism> KM0201: live cd
[04:11] <izinucs> trism: what card do you have?
[04:11] <KM0201> trism, ah ok
[04:12] <trism> izinucs: 6800 (so old)
[04:12]  * KM0201 has a 7xx on his desktop, but I've not tried 11.04 on it yet.
[04:12] <Breetai> "Additional Drivers" is crashing. How can I fix that OR manually install the nvidia drivers?
[04:12] <izinucs> trism: I still have an AGP 6600 :) .. weird that my 8400 isn't working
[04:13] <KM0201> izinucs, it'll work, its just not likely to work on the live CD...
[04:13] <bjsnider> Breetai, sudo kockey-text -e xorg:nvidia_current
[04:13] <bjsnider> jockey-text should be
[04:13] <trism> izinucs: it might, but you need libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental which isn't on the cd, so you need to get it somewhere else
[04:13] <KM0201> if you install, and install the restricted driver for Nvidia, enabling 3D support, unity should work just fine
[04:14] <Breetai> I am getting all kinds of python errors with jockey-text
[04:14] <izinucs> trism: I can go to packages.ubuntu.com and grab it but is it a .deb?
[04:14] <Breetai> dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ExecFailed: Failed to execute program /lib/dbus-1.0/dbus-daemon-launch-helper: Success
[04:14] <trism> izinucs: yes, all the deps are there too, just need that package
[04:16] <izinucs> trism: directory for natty is empty.. is there another for the dev channel?
[04:16] <SMG1> hello, can anyone help me, "My Computer" does not open when clicked and no drives show up on the left pane of windows, but they show up in gparted and disk utility.
[04:17] <trism> izinucs: http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental
[04:17] <izinucs> trism: now it opens :/
[04:19] <izinucs> trism: once loaded how do I activte it?  cli and type unity?
[04:19] <trism> izinucs: I just log out then back in...may need to give the ubuntu user a password first so you can get back in...I think it is supposed to be ubuntu but never seems to work for me
[04:21] <izinucs> trism: ok.. installed.. brb
[04:21] <pelmen> Guys, anyone has an idea on how to change gnome-shell or mutter themes ?
[04:22] <izinucs> trism: there's no logout option on the menu of the live cd.. do you kow what the command is for cli?
[04:22] <roknir> i want to try out unity and ubuntu 11.04 in virtualbox, but i'm not having much luck.  i have 3d acceleration turned on for the VM and i have all of the virtualbox-guest packages installed, but when i log into ubuntu, i just see the wallpaper and nothing more.  any ideas?
[04:22] <izinucs> roknir: won't work there.
[04:22] <roknir> izinucs: why not?
[04:23] <KM0201> roknir, my idea... goat blood, a 4 leaf clover, 2 cloves of garlic, bring to a boil, and pour it on your PC.. then try again
[04:23] <trism> izinucs: there isn't? was there before: gnome-session-save --logout; I think
[04:23] <roknir> ...
[04:23] <KM0201> roknir, in other words.. not gonna happen.. :)
[04:24] <izinucs> trism: ok
[04:24] <izinucs> roknir: not sure.. I'm even having issues getting it to work on a live cd.. but at the final stages of testing a fix.
[04:26] <sly> Anyone know what would cause USB ports to not work on Natty? Inspiron 1546
[04:27] <izinucs> Mission control we have launch!  ... except compiz crashed while loading irssi
[04:29] <izinucs> trism: thanks.. working.. now, how about "spaces"? How do I find that and use?
[04:29] <trism> izinucs: spaces?
[04:30] <KM0201> workspaces?
[04:30] <izinucs> trism: I guess it's the new implementation of workspaces
[04:30] <izinucs> KM0201: yea.. little different than previous releases I understand
[04:30] <KM0201> izinucs, not really, just click the workspaces, and choose one... i don't know how to have more than 4 at this point.
[04:31] <trism> the option for the number of workspaces is in ccsm in the general options
[04:31] <KM0201> trism, oh ok.
[04:31] <izinucs> KM0201: where do I find them? I don't see the typical 4 boxes anywhere
[04:31] <KM0201> izinucs, they're usually in the panel on the left....
[04:32] <sly> http://pastebin.com/EPn87BBU
[04:32] <KM0201> izinucs, are you in normal gnome, or under unity?
[04:32] <izinucs> KM0201: ah ok.. just not use to the icons yet.. I found that ctrl+alt+arrows still works
[04:32] <izinucs> KM0201: unity
[04:33] <izinucs> Any way to make the icons smaller?
[04:33] <rww> izinucs: same place as the workspace number change in CCSM
[04:33] <KM0201> izinucs, dunno, i've not really messed w/ tweaking itto much
[04:33] <KM0201> rww, i can't find that option under ccsm
[04:34] <izinucs> rww: thanks..
[04:35] <rww> "launcher icon size"...?
[04:35] <rww> unless you mean different icons
[04:35] <izinucs> anyone remember the track pad issue/fix so that when typing you can't accidently touch the pad and change something?  there was something in the past that would "sense" that and disable or delay the touch pad
[04:36] <elb0w_> So I installed 11.04 beta 2 and after it loads all I get is a black screen with a X crosshair
[04:36] <izinucs> rww: no just the ones on the left of the unity screen
[04:36] <elb0w_> any ideas?
[04:36] <KM0201> rww, where did you say to adjust the number of workspaces?
[04:36] <rww> oh, I'm silly, they're different places.
[04:37] <rww> Launcher icon size is in CCSM -> Ubuntu Unity Plugin -> Experimental
[04:38] <reivanen> KM0201, ccsm / general
[04:40] <KM0201> reivanen, i looked there, but i don't see an option for more workspaces
[04:40] <seminatty> hey you guys
[04:40] <reivanen> third tab
[04:40] <reivanen> or is workspaces different from desktops?
[04:40] <seminatty> did the dude who wanted to install to his usb end up successful?
[04:40] <izinucs> rww: was lucid 10.04? I've forgotten.. I went to install and it's offering me the option of upgrading from 10.04 to 11.04
[04:40] <rww> izinucs: lucid was 10.04, yes
[04:41] <seminatty> what kind of animal was lucid?
[04:41] <izinucs> rww: does that mean 11.04 is lts?
[04:41] <rww> seminatty: lynx
[04:41] <izinucs> seminatty: lynx
[04:41] <rww> izinucs: 11.04 isn't an LTS.
[04:41] <seminatty> thanks
[04:41] <KM0201> reivanen, different... that doesn't work
[04:41] <rww> you shouldn't be able to upgrade straight from 10.04 to 11.04 :\
[04:41] <seminatty> If you installed 11.04 overtop of 10.04, would it detect your home drive and keep your documents and settings
[04:41] <seminatty> ?
[04:41] <izinucs> rww: didn't think so.. but this seems to be the first time you're able to upgrade direct from lts to another non-lts
[04:43] <rww> seminatty: theoretically, though I'd make backups personally
[04:43] <Logan_> ^
[04:43] <Logan_> always back up before major upgrades
[04:43] <seminatty> yeah that sounds like a good idea
[04:43] <rww> izinucs: as far as I'm aware, upgrading 10.04 directly to 11.04 isn't a supported action, regardless of whether it's claiming to be able to for some reason o.O
[04:44] <rww> maybe I'm wrong. it's happened before ;)
[04:44] <izinucs> rww: I've never had much upgrade success anyway.. that's why I have a separate /home for fresh installs.
[04:44] <seminatty> because my desktop computer at my parents house has had ubuntu since dapper... and I think some of my, er, more unorthodox tinkerings around have made it more unstable than necessary. So I'm thinking of just straight up reinstalling.
[04:47] <knightautwell> hey is anyone here?
[04:47] <knightautwell> anyone here?
[04:47] <pace_t_zulu_> how do i get the 2d implementation of unity rather than gnome classic?
[04:47] <izinucs> knightautwell: yes
[04:47]  * seminatty tumbleweeds
[04:48] <pace_t_zulu_> sup knightautwell
[04:48] <pace_t_zulu_> anyone know how to get 2d unity?
[04:48] <izinucs> pace_t_zulu_: gnome classic is 2d.. unity is 3d
[04:48] <KM0201> pace_t_zulu_, i don't think its available yet.
[04:48] <pace_t_zulu_> there is a version that puts the menubar on the top panel for terminal
[04:49] <seminatty> where are unity's real settings located?
[04:49] <seminatty> and what can you change in them
[04:49] <KM0201> seminatty, you probably need to install ccsm to really change anything
[04:49] <knightautwell> ok lol i have a question i installed Slim to change the ubuntu natty login screen and i didnt like it so i deleted it from the folder instead of uninstalling it by accident and now i cant boot to my desktop
[04:49] <KM0201> but i still can't change the number of workspaces
[04:49] <KM0201> knightautwell, lol
[04:49] <knightautwell> how do i fix it? i can boot to the desktop using the live cd i have
[04:50] <rww> pace_t_zulu_: investigate the unity-2d packages in natty's repositories
[04:50] <KM0201> knightautwell, u see the "Install" icon on the desktop?  Rename it "Reinstall" and click it.. :)
[04:50] <knightautwell> im not sure how to fix it lol
[04:50] <rww> I haven't myself, but presumably they have something to do with it ;)
[04:50] <pace_t_zulu_> i see how its done... it's a panel applet now
[04:50] <knightautwell> but would i lose all the things i have installed tho?
[04:51] <Superstar> Has anyone experienced problems openning the date/time after an installation?
[04:51] <pace_t_zulu_> or objects rather
[04:52] <knightautwell> that it no longer has
[04:52] <knightautwell> how do i reset the theme settings in ubuntu? thats my problem it tries to load the theme from slim
[04:52] <KM0201> Superstar, negative
[04:52] <elb0w_> Anyone had the issue of a black screen after a install?
[04:52] <elb0w_> I just have a mouse cursor that looks like an X and a black screen
[04:52] <Superstar> Any recommendations on getting back date/time?
[04:52] <KM0201> knightautwell, well of course you would lose all the things you already had... you installed a 3rd party app that borked your system... use more caution in selecting 3rd party apps next time
[04:53] <seminatty> KM0201: thanks for the tip
[04:53] <knightautwell> is there a way to fix the theme problem? like a way to reset it?
[04:53] <KM0201> not that i know of.
[04:54] <Superstar> And how do I turn off all this animation crap? There's no options in "Appearance" like there was in Maverick
[04:54] <knightautwell> where it doesnt look for the theme in the slim folder?
[04:55] <knightautwell> so there isnt?
[04:56] <KM0201> knightautwell, again, you installed a 3rd party app.. that bricked your system.. this is similar to everyone who hosed their system downloading that Mac OSX theme script back in the day.. it sucks, but thats the way it is.. unless there were uninstall instructions that came with it, that you can run from a shell.. you're likely hosed
[04:57] <KM0201> where did you download it from?
[04:57] <Superstar> You know the menu bar in applications such as "File", "Edit" etc.. is there any way to get it to show without using the keyboard or maximizing the window?
[04:57] <seminatty> Superstar: move your mouse to it
[04:57] <KM0201> Superstar, click on a window  then move your cursor tot he top "panel".. and you'll see the menu there
[04:57] <rww> Stevethepirate: hover over the window title
[04:57] <Superstar> KM0201 ahh yes thanks love
[04:58] <KM0201> uh... lol, i hope you're a chick
[04:58] <rww> Stevethepirate: sorry, I fail at tabcomplete.
[04:58] <Strav> Hi. Anyone here have tried emacs23 on ubuntu natty?
[04:58] <Superstar> Gwibber is useless, it never shows Facebook inbox messages
[04:58] <Strav> (or gnome 3 for that matter)
[04:58] <Superstar> KM0201 I am indeed
[04:58] <KM0201> ok, good..lol
[04:58] <knightautwell> there is an uninstall instructions but how would i run it if i am not actually in my system just in the live cd environment. would it work the same?
[04:58] <Strav> ... natty beta 2 must I say.
[04:59] <seminatty> if you are what they say you are, a Superstar, then have no feeaar
[04:59] <KM0201> knightautwell, you could probably run it by booting safe mode.. but that is strictly a guess.... cd to wherever the removal tool is, run it, then reboot back to normal mode, and see if that fixes it
[04:59] <KM0201> knightautwell, or, if you can get to a login window
[05:00] <KM0201> just logout to a shell... and run the uninstall script from there
[05:00] <elb0w_> One last time, has anyone had this issue with 11.04 where after you install its just a black screen?
[05:01] <seminatty> elb0w_: afaik, that usually means X can't detect your video hardware for some reason
[05:01] <KM0201> elb0w_, not that i've heard....
[05:01] <elb0w_> Weird.
[05:01] <seminatty> elb0w_: especially that part with the X cursor
[05:01] <seminatty> did you do anything to change with your xorg.conf?
[05:01] <elb0w_> default everything
[05:02] <elb0w_> install updates and 3rd party software
[05:02] <knightautwell> i cant get to a log in thats the problem
[05:02] <elb0w_> when i did it
[05:02] <KM0201> knightautwell, you don't need to log in
[05:02] <elb0w_> maybe i should go to root shell and try to install the driver manually?
[05:02] <KM0201> do you have another computer?
[05:02] <KM0201> or something you can come here on?
[05:03] <izinucs> anyone test eee1394 firewire interfaces?  for 2 releases I haven't been able to grab video from my cam
[05:04] <knightautwell> i cant even get to  the log in screen
[05:05] <KM0201> knightautwell, oh i thought you were getting tot he log in screen
[05:06] <KM0201> knightautwell, well, maybe try to boot recovery mode, and go to the user prompt, log in there, and then run the uninstall script.
[05:06] <KM0201> but you're going to have to know the scripts location, etc.
[05:06] <seminatty> elb0w_: it might be worth it to wait for natty's release, in case it's a temporary bug
[05:06]  * KM0201 thinks knightautwell is gonna learn his lesson about downloading these 3rd party apps
[05:07] <elb0w_> hmm
[05:07] <seminatty> elb0w_: does your hardware work in 10.04 or 10.10?
[05:07] <knightautwell> no when i try recovery mode it says the same thing it cant load the theme. is there a conf file i can edit so that it doesnt look for that theme?
[05:07] <KM0201> knightautwell, recovery mode is CLI.. it shouldn't need a theme
[05:08] <elb0w_> I did not try it
[05:08] <knightautwell> i know lol
[05:08] <KM0201> knightautwell, then how is a theme effecting it?
[05:08] <elb0w_> Yeah, I ran in failsafe X
[05:08] <elb0w_> says could not detect gfx
[05:09] <knightautwell> it will take me to the screen where i can choose like from a list of things and when i press the down key it goes wack
[05:09] <knightautwell> and it says something about the theme
[05:10] <elb0w_> what is the nvidia driver name?
[05:10] <elb0w_> is there a standard?
[05:10] <KM0201> knightautwell, well, that makes no sense at all.
[05:12] <elb0w_> well thats lame, why wouldnt it detect my nvidia card
[05:12] <elb0w_> it has nvidia-current installed too
[05:13] <KM0201> knightautwell, are you there
[05:15] <seminatty> elb0w_: check the supported hardware list to double check your card is on there
[05:15] <elb0w_> hmm
[05:15] <elb0w_> I think im getting somewhere
[05:16] <elb0w_> I have a wallpaper
[05:16] <elb0w_> lol.
[05:16] <elb0w_> and a normal mouse
[05:16] <KM0201> lol
[05:16] <seminatty> hehe
[05:16] <seminatty> are you using VESA?
[05:17] <seminatty> !nvidia | elb0w_ you can always look here for your card
[05:17] <elb0w_> I installed a package
[05:17] <elb0w_> how do I stop x?
[05:17] <elb0w_> I thought it was just xstop
[05:18] <seminatty> was that other guy here a few days ago ever successful in installing natty to his usb drive?
[05:21] <c2tarun> I am facing a very serious problem with natty. anyone here.
[05:21] <c2tarun> Previous releases like lucid and maverick never detected my wifi driver. Natty detected, but when it starts it tries to connect to the wifi connection available and then I get a black screen with many things written on it.( Can't understand them ) and then screen freezes :/
[05:21] <c2tarun> Now I switched of my wifi and using the same connection with wire and installing the broadcom driver. Lets see if this works or not. I am facing this problem with Beta1 as well as Beta2 64-bit
[05:21] <elb0w_> hmm, so if I go into a root shell. I can type startx and get a desktop
[05:21] <elb0w_> but if I boot normal it just black screens
[05:21] <c2tarun> it didnt work :(
[05:22] <izinucs> installed... rebooting.. if it works I'll be back
[05:23] <c2tarun> elb0w_: ping can you please help me with my problem?
[05:23] <cryptk> ok... I always forget this one...
[05:23] <elb0w_> im having issues of my own
[05:23] <cryptk> !timeline
[05:23] <elb0w_> sorry
[05:23] <KM0201> !isitoutyet
[05:23] <cryptk> that's not it...
[05:24] <seminatty> !wifi | c2tarun
[05:24] <cryptk> not that one... the one that has the link to the schedule
[05:24] <seminatty> !release ?
[05:24] <KM0201> lol
[05:24] <KM0201> !release
[05:24] <seminatty> also /topic
[05:25] <rww> !schedule
[05:25] <c2tarun> seminatty: that doc is for maverick, wifi was working fine with maverick its freezing with natty
[05:25] <seminatty> oh, thought you said it wasn't even detected in the other two
[05:25] <cryptk> rww, that's the one! thanks man!
[05:26] <elb0w_> is there no hotkeys to go into different sessions anymore?
[05:26] <elb0w_> didnt it used to be like f1-6?
[05:26] <c2tarun> seminatty: in the other two on going into additional driver I was getting Broadcom Driver and I used that. Natty detected my wifi but network manager is freezing while conection :/
[05:27] <cryptk> el2ro, ctrl + F1-F6
[05:27] <c2tarun> seminatty: is it possible that I disable my kde network manager for a while and use some other network manager?
[05:29] <izinucs> everything looks good.. but I got a message saying my system wouldn't work right without installing the restricted video drivers (nvidia).. strange message
[05:29] <seminatty> c2tarun: you could try using wicd. I'm by no means an expert :p
[05:31] <seminatty> My Question: is there any particular things to watchout for when installing natty to a USB Drive instead of a hard disk partition?
[05:32] <KM0201> seminatty, well that depends, where do you want grub installed?
[05:32] <seminatty> elb0w_: ctrl-alt-f1 through f6
[05:32] <KM0201> if you want grub installed to the USB also, then you need to pay attention to that
[05:32] <elb0w_> tried
[05:32] <seminatty> KM0201: on the usb probably
[05:32] <elb0w_> didnt go
[05:32] <KM0201> seminatty, then thats something you need to pay attention to.
[05:32] <seminatty> elb0w_: works for me unless the computer is crashed
[05:33] <seminatty> KM0201: the installer asks about that right?
[05:33] <KM0201> seminatty, if you use the "advanced" partition tool, and manually partition your thumb driev for the install, you can set the thumb drive as your target for grub (i believe its an option at the bottom)
[05:33] <KM0201> i'm not sure if you can do that w/ the "guided" tool
[05:34] <seminatty> KM0201: gotcha
[05:34] <seminatty> what fs is best for installing natty on a usb -- ext3, 4, fat32?
[05:35] <seminatty> no one seems to use reiserfs much these days
[05:36] <KM0201> seminatty, i'd just use ext4, and be done w/ it.
[05:38] <seminatty> gotcha
[05:38]  * seminatty reports bug with touchpad scrolling not working correctly
[05:38] <rayautwell> hey how do you delete a file from a specific directory using the terminal?
[05:38]  * KM0201 deletes seminatty 's bug report
[05:39]  * seminatty retaliates by deleting KM0201
[05:39] <KM0201> :)
[05:39] <roknir> rayautwell: rm /path/to/file
[05:39] <seminatty> rayautwell: the command is "rm"
[05:39] <seminatty> rayautwell: try "man rm" to learn how to use it
[05:39] <izinucs> KM0201: were did you say the location of the icon size adjustment was?  I've installed ccsm but didn't see anything there
[05:39] <KM0201> oh izi... hang on..lol
[05:40] <KM0201> izinucs, open compiz config manager
[05:40] <KM0201> click on the "unity plugin"
[05:40] <izinucs> ah.. ok
[05:40] <KM0201> on the "Experimental" tab..
[05:40] <KM0201> "Launcher Icon size" adjust as needed
[05:42] <seminatty> i sleep now
[05:42] <seminatty> goodnight
[05:43] <izinucs> KM0201: got it.. to bad it only goes to 32 and not smaller
[05:43] <KM0201> izinucs, well, i can't change that.. :)
[05:44] <izinucs> KM0201: LOL.. someone will figure a tweek :)
[05:45] <KM0201> izinucs, probably..lol
[05:47] <KM0201> izinucs, it'll be a new feature in the next version of ubuntu-twak
[05:47] <KM0201> *tweak
[05:48] <izinucs> KM0201: ok.. 'nother question.. is there an option to take two windows and have them automically fill the screen evenly side to side?
[05:48] <KM0201> izinucs, no that i don't know.. i don't mess w/ compiz that much..
[06:02] <bullgard4> At boot time my Natty writes: "Stopping save kernel messages." Where did it save the kernel messages before?
[06:04] <SwedeMike>  /var/log/dmesg ?
[06:15] <bullgard4> SwedeMike: /var/log/dmesg is filled independently of this message. There must be some other mechanism this message is referring to.
[06:18] <buzzomatic_> Hi, I'm getting really poor network performance out of my gigabit network. It was working really well last night, but this morning it's 2MB/s transfers when it doesn't just stall completely
[06:18] <buzzomatic_> Can anyone help find the problem?
[06:19] <buzzomatic_> Both machines are synced at 1000Mb/s
[06:21] <buzzomatic_> If I ping the ubuntu box, then I get at least one message per 20 successful pings: Request timeout for icmp_seq 25
[06:22] <buzzomatic_> About 6% packet loss
[06:22] <buzzomatic_> Actually, more like 10
[06:24] <bullgard4>  buzzomatic_ May be iotop will help you.
[06:26] <KM0201> knightautwell, did you get it fixed?
[06:28] <knightautwell> not yet i think i might have an idea how to tho
[06:29] <KM0201> and that is?
[06:29] <KM0201> cuz i got one to
[06:30] <knightautwell> got what too
[06:30] <KM0201> an idea
[06:30] <KM0201> lol
[06:31] <bullgard4> Zur Bootzeit schreibt mein Natty: "Stopping save kernel messages." Wo hat Natty davor die kernel messages geschrieben?
[06:31] <knightautwell> if this works it will kinda make me mad cuz it was so easy lol
[06:31] <KM0201> lol
[06:32] <knightautwell> lol whats your idea
[06:32] <KM0201> chroot your install (from the live CD) and run the uninstall instructions
[06:34] <KM0201> was that your idea?
[06:34] <knightautwell> chroot? how?
[06:34] <buzzomatic_> bullgard4: when all else fails pull all the cables out and start again... I now have 50MB/s+ again
[06:34] <KM0201> http://karuppuswamy.com/wordpress/2010/06/02/how-to-chroot-to-ubuntu-using-live-cd-to-fix-grub-rescue-prompt/
[06:35] <KM0201> follow the instructions to chroot the drive (not the grub rescue, etc..)
[06:35] <KM0201> just chroot the drive, then run whatever the uninstall command for that program you installed is.
[06:35] <buzzomatic_> It's just a huge pain to get the ethernet cable out of the back of this iMac.
[06:35] <buzzomatic_> It's just a huge pain .... this iMac.
[06:35] <knightautwell> ok ill try it
[07:01] <pooltable> beta 2 out what the difference from the finnel if there is one ?
[07:02] <KM0201> pooltable, as long as you keep your system up to date, when the final is released, your system will be just like the final release
[07:02] <pooltable> km0201 thanks
[07:22] <litropy> During safe-upgrade, how are packages chosen to be /recommended/ as opposed to /safe to install/? This time around my recommended pckgs are: lintian ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk unity-place-applications unity-place-files.
[07:24] <bhavesh> Will upgrading to 11.04 create a new partition or replace the current ubutnu?
[07:24] <bhavesh> ubuntu*
[07:27] <Strav> Hi. Any emacs users around?
[07:27] <metroid1> is anyone trying out xubuntu with a nvidia card?  can't seem to open nvidia-settings to set up twinview.
[07:28] <pooltable> strav use emacs a long time ago but might help
[07:29] <sly> Anyone here?
[07:30] <pooltable> here
[07:30] <sly> http://pastebin.com/EPn87BBU
[07:30] <sly> Know any fix to that?
[07:30] <sly> None of my USB ports are working.
[07:30] <Strav> I just upgraded from ubuntu 10.10 to 11.04 beta 2. In emacs23, some part of the menu that are dynamically created by a mode hook either don't show or are empty. I tested this behavior in both unity enabled and in plain gnome. So this makes me wonder if it's either an emacs or gnome bug. (atm, no one in the emacs channel seems to care).
[07:31] <pooltable> sly  i  see is the a usb hub or the usb on the montherboard?
[07:31] <sly> It's the USB ports on the motherboard.
[07:31] <sly> There's only 3, but none of them do anything.
[07:31] <sly> Which is a pain, since my mouse is USB.
[07:32] <sly> Having to use my touchpad.
[07:32] <bhavesh> I am going to replace my ubuntu 10.10 with 11.04 will this delete other partitions?
[07:32] <bhavesh> like windows 7?
[07:32] <pooltable> sly a laptop?
[07:32] <sly> Indeed.
[07:32] <bhavesh> I read something here : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1730186 and I am too scared to do so
[07:32] <Strav> bhavesh: it depends on how you wish to "replace" it.
[07:32] <pooltable> sly how old?
[07:33] <Strav> bhavesh: a normal upgrade shouldn't affect your partition of course.
[07:33] <sly> It's not that old.
[07:33] <bhavesh> Strav: ok
[07:33] <KM0201> bhavesh, you can set it up to do whatever you want
[07:33] <bhavesh> ok
[07:33] <KM0201> bhavesh, are you "wanting" to delete 10.10, and install 11.04 over it?
[07:33] <pooltable> starv 11.4 is beta is might be a bug not yet work out
[07:33] <Strav> Before submitting this emacs bug, if someone could reproduce it, it'll be appreciated.
[07:33] <bhavesh> KM0201: yes
[07:34] <KM0201> bhavesh, ok, start the installer, and when you get to the partition stage, lemme know (but dont choose anything)
[07:34] <pooltable> sly how long has it not work?
[07:34] <Strav> pooltable: yes I've assumed so and I'm actually enquiring about it to help out if it hasn't been reported yet.
[07:34] <sly> They haven't worked since using 11.04.
[07:34] <knight_> hey kmo201 i finally got it fixed
[07:34] <bullgard4> buzzomatic_: That's a solution one should consider now and then. But an engineer usually looks for a systmatic approach. --  Glad that you made it.
[07:35] <sly> It's not a port issue, as they work perfectly in Fedora 14.
[07:35] <KM0201> knight_, did you?.. what did you do? (sorry, was playign tetris and lost track of the chat)
[07:35] <pooltable> sly did you have 10.10 and did it work ?
[07:35] <knight_> ya not really sure how tho lol i kept installing and reinstalling slim and i moved over a few folders from my live disc and it worked lol
[07:36] <sly> I didn't try it on 10.10.
[07:36] <KM0201> knight_, well, take it as a lesson..
[07:36] <pooltable> sly i see might be a usb driver update you need from a third party
[07:36] <knight_> lol no kiddind
[07:36] <bhavesh> KM0201: ok I am still downloading
[07:36] <knight_> kidding
[07:36] <KM0201> gotta be cautious about that stuff you download.
[07:36] <KM0201> bhavesh, ok.
[07:36] <KM0201> bhavesh, are yo on ubuntu right now?
[07:36] <knight_> lol well i read it was a good one
[07:36] <sly> Where would I find such a driver for Linux?
[07:36] <pooltable> sly 11.4 is still new
[07:36] <bhavesh> KMo201: yes
[07:37] <KM0201> bhavesh, do you know your current partition set up?
[07:37] <knight_> so is the final going to be realesed this month or next?
[07:37] <bhavesh> KM0201: not really letme see whats there in gparted
[07:37] <Strav> argh. I'll just write the bug and let'em deduplicate it.
[07:37] <sly> pooltable: As knight_ just said, it's supposed to be released on the 28th (if I'm not mistaken).
[07:37] <KM0201> !isitoutyet | knight_
[07:37] <sly> So it's not _that_ new.
[07:38] <knight_> i know lol i was wandering if it was going to be out this month like i ehard gnomefreak say
[07:38] <KM0201> knight_, yes... "11.04" (11th year, 4th month)
[07:38] <KM0201> you can always tell when an ubuntu release was released, by the version #
[07:38] <knight_> lol ok
[07:38] <bhavesh> WOW I cannot find gparted
[07:39] <KM0201> knight_, so pop quiz, when will 11.10 be released
[07:39] <knight_> you running a live cd?
[07:39] <KM0201> when was 8.04 released?
[07:39] <knight_> october lol
[07:39] <bhavesh> right I dont have gparted
[07:40] <KM0201> bhavesh, you're on a live CD? why are you downloading another one?
[07:40] <bhavesh> KM0201: No I am not on live CD
[07:40] <KM0201> oh ok
[07:40] <KM0201> wel,l sudo apt-get install gparted
[07:40] <bhavesh> KM0201: I am on an installed ubutnu 10.10 with no gparted
[07:40] <knight_> so your using ubuntu?
[07:40] <KM0201> gotcha.
[07:40] <KM0201> knight_, gparted wasn't on 10.10 by default
[07:40] <wrefdsfds> hi
[07:40] <wrefdsfds> question
[07:40] <KM0201> had to be installed afterwords
[07:40] <bhavesh> KM0201: it tells cannot install becoz of that upgrade already downloading stuff
[07:40] <knight_> oh lol that doesnt have gpated you have to install it
[07:41] <KM0201> bhavesh, oh ok.
[07:41] <wrefdsfds> hi
[07:41] <wrefdsfds> i have a question
[07:41] <bhavesh> KM0201: so what about my partitions...?
[07:41] <KM0201> bhavesh, so why are you upgrading, if you're going to do a clean install?
[07:41] <bhavesh> KM0201: I still want windows 7 but not ubuntu 10.10
[07:42] <bhavesh> KM0201: replacing ubutnu 10.10 with 11.04 keeping windows 7
[07:42] <pooltable> sly yes 28 apr
[07:42] <KM0201> bhavesh, ok.. why are yo upgrading 10.10( presumably to 11.04) if you're asking how to clean install 11.04
[07:42] <knight_> wrefdsfds, whats your question
[07:42] <picca> anyone find that autofs doesn't work in ubuntu 11.04 unless you restart it
[07:42] <sly> Yes, I know.
[07:42] <wrefdsfds> knight_ my quesiton is i need helpp
[07:42] <wrefdsfds> p
[07:42] <pooltable> like to see 11.10 at 11.11.11
[07:42] <sly> I still need to find a solution to my problem, though.
[07:42] <KM0201> bhavesh, you might not be able to run this w/ update manager running, but try this in a terminal   "sudo fdisk -l" (lowercase L)
[07:42] <knight_> with what?
[07:43] <KM0201> wrefdsfds, well, this isn't the mind readers channel, you have to ask questinos
[07:43] <bhavesh> k
[07:43] <pooltable> 8.04= 2008 apr
[07:43] <KM0201> sabrina's psychic network is the next room over
[07:43] <KM0201> pooltable, boy you're a sharp one.. :)
[07:43] <wrefdsfds> ok
[07:43] <KM0201> pooltable, 4.10
[07:43] <bhavesh> KM0201: ok so I got all my partition info
[07:43] <KM0201> whast it say
[07:43] <wrefdsfds> well i wanted to ask if you, as far as seen, like the NEW ubuntu 11.04 ?? or not quite
[07:43] <pooltable> 2004 oct
[07:44] <KM0201> pooltable, you're an animal
[07:44] <KM0201> lol
[07:44] <bhavesh> KM0201: sda2 **
[07:44] <bhavesh> KM0201: boot is on sda1
[07:44] <knight_> i like it but when i run it my wine acts up bad and my graphics card wiggs out
[07:44] <KM0201> bhavesh, just pastebin the output...
[07:44] <KM0201> !pastebin | bhavesh
[07:44] <knight_> so i have to use classic with no effects
[07:44] <bhavesh> KM0201: ok
[07:44] <wrefdsfds> !pastebin
[07:45] <KM0201> i'm actually really digging 11.04
[07:45] <bhavesh> KM0201: here http://paste.ubuntu.com/594737/
[07:45] <wrefdsfds> well i wanted to ask if you, as far as seen, like the ubuntu11.04? or not quite
[07:45] <KM0201> what the.
[07:45] <bhavesh> ?
[07:45] <knight_> i like it its just my graphics card must not lol
[07:45] <KM0201> dude, no offense, that is one of the most jacked up partition setups i'vce ever saw
[07:45] <KM0201> you have 4 swap partitions
[07:45] <KM0201> lol
[07:46] <knight_> how big of a hdd does he have lol
[07:46] <bhavesh> jacked up?
[07:46] <KM0201> bhavesh, yeah, its a little jacked up
[07:46] <KM0201> lol, thats a first i've saw of that.. how on earth did you manage that?
[07:46] <bhavesh> lol so is it something wrong?
[07:46] <wrefdsfds> well i wanted to ask if you, as far as seen, like the ubuntu11.04? or not quite
[07:46] <KM0201> bhavesh, well... i wouldn't say "wrong" but totally unfreaking necessary...lol
[07:47] <bhavesh> lol.... what am I supposed to do?
[07:47] <KM0201> wrefdsfds, your question doesn't make sense
[07:47] <wrefdsfds> why
[07:47] <KM0201> bhavesh, just finish the download, download the 11.04 ISO, and then we'll fix it.
[07:47] <KM0201> wrefdsfds, not quite what?
[07:47] <wrefdsfds> oh i meant
[07:47] <bhavesh> ok I am doing that through update-manager -d btw
[07:47] <wrefdsfds> do you like ubuntu 11.04 or do you think is more shit
[07:47] <knight_> wrefdsfds_ i like it but it makes wine and my graphics card flicker when i use win or try to play the tetris like games
[07:47] <KM0201> wrefdsfds, i like it.
[07:47] <wrefdsfds> me 2
[07:48] <picca> wrefdsfds, more shit than what/
[07:48] <wrefdsfds> than Ubuntu 10.10
[07:48] <KM0201> if you want crap, try PCLinuxOS
[07:48] <wrefdsfds> or 10 04
[07:48] <bazhang> watch the language wrefdsfds picca
[07:48] <wrefdsfds> yes this is crap i tested it
[07:48] <picca> wrefdsfds, you think ubuntu 10.10 is shit?
[07:48] <KM0201> ah, 10.04 was good, so was 10.10 for that matter
[07:48] <wrefdsfds> Nooo
[07:48] <bhavesh> KM0201: it would directly install it (im not downloading the .iso)
[07:48] <wrefdsfds> Ubuntu 10.10 is very very veryyy  good
[07:48] <KM0201> bhavesh, i have no idea what on earth your'e doing...
[07:49] <KM0201> all i knhow, is you ahve an amazing partition set up.
[07:49] <picca> wrefdsfds, just that you said the word "more"
[07:49] <wrefdsfds> and i wanted to ask if you find that ubuntu is more bad or more good than ubuntu 10.10
[07:49] <KM0201> i've never saw someone w/ 4 wap partitions before
[07:49] <bhavesh> KM0201: lol I am just upgrading to 11.04 from my 10.10 through update-manager -d
[07:49] <wrefdsfds> but couldnt express because i have bad enlgish :D
[07:49] <KM0201> bhavesh, ok.. so why are you concerned about reinstall 11.04?
[07:49] <KM0201> which is what you asked earlier.
[07:49] <KM0201> of course w/ that partition set up, you might be reinstalling
[07:50] <bhavesh> KM0201: I am not reinstalling 11.04.... I am just replacing 10.10
[07:50] <bhavesh> ok let me download first
[07:50]  * KM0201 sighs...
[07:50] <KM0201> does anyone ever feel like they are talking, just to hear themselves?
[07:50] <pooltable> sly are you still here?
[07:50] <sly> Yes.
[07:50] <elricL> can anyone help me http://askubuntu.com/questions/34997/disk-drive-not-ready-yet-or-not-available
[07:51] <pooltable> sly look at this i think this is the problem http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/component/pci:4397:1002-USB
[07:51]  * KM0201 has to go tinkle.. brb
[07:53]  * KM0201 back
[07:53] <pooltable> is there a way to installed 11.4 then go back to 10.10 ?
[07:53] <sly> Okay?
[07:53] <KM0201> my eyes were turning yellow
[07:53] <sly> I don't want to go back to 10.10.
[07:53] <KM0201> pooltable, not that i know of...
[07:53] <SwedeMike> pooltable: no, you have to re-install.
[07:53] <KM0201> pooltable, why would you want to do that.
[07:54] <pooltable> km0201 are you getting tires ?
[07:54] <KM0201> pooltable, no, not at all.
[07:54] <KM0201> why?
[07:54] <elricL> can anyone help me http://askubuntu.com/questions/34997/disk-drive-not-ready-yet-or-not-available
[07:54] <cryptk> pooltable, downgrades have never been supported... it is possible, but only if you have in depth knowledge of a linux OS
[07:54] <pooltable> km0201 so if i like to try 10.4 now use a VW?
[07:54] <pooltable> 11.4
[07:54] <KM0201> pooltable, yeah, you could use a VM if you wanted to do that.
[07:54] <pooltable> sorry
[07:55] <bhavesh> KM0201: In short this is what I am doing : http://imagebin.org/148506 (I just want to keep my windows 7 safe) pic is worth a 1000 words <<
[07:55] <KM0201> pooltable, 11.04 doesn't work well in VM,
[07:55] <pooltable> kn0201 i sure
[07:55] <pooltable> i am sure
[07:55] <KM0201> bhavesh, image doesn't work
[07:55] <bhavesh> KM0201: ill reupload it to imgur.....
[07:56] <KM0201> pooltable, well, 11.04 doesn't work in a virtual manager... or at least thast what i've read, i've not tried it
[07:56] <pooltable> not to go off topic what about windows 8 ?"
[07:56] <KM0201> Windows 8 is approved for use by Japans Nuclear Power plants
[07:56] <pooltable> kn0201 i wait to 28 apr 2011 then
[07:56] <KM0201> pooltable, you could do that.
[07:57] <bhavesh> KM0201: http://i.imgur.com/FxZ8w.jpg
[07:57] <KM0201> bhavesh, ok, so you're running a distribution upgrade
[07:57] <bhavesh> KM0201: yes..
[07:57] <KM0201> ... when you're done, you should have 11.04
[07:58] <KM0201> assuming all goes well
[07:58] <bhavesh> KM0201: all I want to care about is, keeping windows 7 safe
[07:58] <pooltable> bhavesh how you get the temp on your top bar ?
[07:58] <KM0201> bhavesh, well you should have asked your questions before upgrading then... but most likely, windows will be fine..
[07:58] <bhavesh> KM0201: ok
[07:58] <bhavesh> pooltable: add to panel...
[07:59] <bhavesh> pooltable: its in there
[07:59] <bhavesh> pooltable: weather report
[08:00] <KM0201> i kept mine really basic
[08:00] <elricL> can anyone help me http://askubuntu.com/questions/34997/disk-drive-not-ready-yet-or-not-available
[08:00] <KM0201> http://imagebin.org/148507
[08:00] <pooltable> bhavesh not working i will try again
[08:00] <bullgard4> ~/.config/autostart with me includes only  .desktop files. Is this normal?
[08:01] <bullgard4> ~/.config/autostart with me includes only 7 .desktop files. Is this normal?
[08:01] <cryptk> no need to repeat yourself
[08:01] <bhavesh> looks great KM0201
[08:01] <cryptk> and yes
[08:01] <bhavesh> did u like 10.10 ? or 11.04 is better?
[08:01] <KM0201> i still miss some of my panel applets though... mainly, force quit and system monitor.. gotta do something about that eventually
[08:01] <pooltable> bhavesh  got it thanks
[08:02] <bhavesh> and it looks like u are running a netbook?
[08:02] <KM0201> bhavesh, i liked 10.10, but i also like 11.04.. i'm getting used to Unity.. which i didn't like at all at first, but i decided to at least try it.. now i like it.
[08:02] <KM0201> bhavesh, no, running a normal laptop (17in screen)
[08:02] <KM0201> just running unity
[08:02] <bhavesh> KM0201: err 11.10 will have gnome 3
[08:02] <pooltable> what about gnome 3 what it be the main one ?
[08:03] <KM0201> bhavesh, well, if ubuntu has a gnome 3, that is anything like the gnome 3 that bricked my setup yesterday, then me and ubuntu will part ways in october
[08:03] <bhavesh> in 11.10 GNOME3 will be the desktop environment
[08:03] <anthony_2409> whats the gnome 3 channel?
[08:03] <bhavesh> u can keep unity if u want KM0201
[08:03] <KM0201> bhavesh, well, then i'll be saying goodbye to Ubuntu, unless there is dramatic improvement
[08:03] <pooltable> to test it out now in 10.10
[08:04] <KM0201> pooltable, seriously, i would not do that
[08:04] <bhavesh> lol is it soo bad?
[08:04] <KM0201> i installed Gnome 3 this morning, and it trashed my OS... i ended up reinstalling
[08:04] <pooltable> km0201 what ?
[08:04] <bhavesh> O.o
[08:04] <KM0201> pooltable, yes siree
[08:04] <bhavesh> pooltable, installing gnome 3 is not advisible now
[08:04] <anthony_2409> has anyone used the 64bit gnome3 iso on the GNOME website?
[08:04] <bhavesh> gnome 3 is still in the making I think
[08:05] <KM0201> kept freezing up, so i tried to revert back to ubuntu classic (which was still an option, cuz i never removed it)... and bam.. error.. couldn't get into unity, nothing
[08:05] <KM0201> so i reinstalled
[08:05] <bhavesh> oO
[08:05] <KM0201> then i let some clown in here talk me into trying kubuntu 11.04
[08:05] <KM0201> all i'll say, is there's not enough alcohol in the world to make me use KDE..
[08:05] <pooltable> km0201 i try it but did not know hoe to set it up to look like now
[08:06] <bullgard4> bhavesh: Very much so.
[08:06] <KM0201> pooltable, well, if Gnome 3 stays as crappy as it is, i'll either part ways w/ Ubuntu, or start using Xubuntu or Lubuntu
[08:06] <pooltable> bhavesh amybe not for 11.4 buy i have it in 10.10
[08:06] <pooltable> kn0201 i see
[08:06] <bhavesh> bullgard: ?
[08:07] <KM0201> bullgard4, actually, gnome 3 is final release... (which is sad)
[08:07] <KM0201> but.. kde 4 was a mess when it came out to.
[08:07] <KM0201> and it seems to have finally come around (even though i still hate it)
[08:07] <pooltable> kn0201 i miss some thing in windows 7 i can not d well with my current computer
[08:07] <KM0201> pooltable, and that is?
[08:07] <KM0201> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME
[08:07] <bhavesh> ubutnu is not at all for games..
[08:08] <KM0201> Stable release 	3.0  (6 April 2011; 9 days ago)
[08:08] <kaushal> is gnome3 available in 11.04 ?
[08:08] <KM0201> kaushal, if you want to poke your eyes out, yes
[08:08] <bullgard4> KM0201: I attended a high-ranking GNOME 3 conference in Berlin last week. The develpers unisono said that GNOME is a project in progress.
[08:08] <bhavesh> kaushal: You can externally install it but in 11.10 it would be default environment
[08:08] <KM0201> bhavesh, well, thats not ubntu's fault.. blame software developers who don't make their games for linux
[08:08] <bullgard4> KM0201: I attended a high-ranking GNOME 3 conference in Berlin last week. The develpers unisono said that GNOME 3 is a project in progress.
[08:08] <pooltable> km0201 one  well good gui working turgrafix emu
[08:08] <KM0201> bullgard4, i dunno.
[08:09] <bhavesh> KM0201: Yes even I read it somewhere GNOME3 is in progress
[08:09] <KM0201> bhavesh, i'm not doubting you, just telling you what the wiki says.
[08:09] <KM0201> i could care less, i won't be using it.
[08:09] <bhavesh> k
[08:09] <bhavesh> around 10 minutes left
[08:10] <pooltable> bhavesh send a pic of it after it is  all done
[08:12] <bhavesh> pooltable: k
[08:12] <kaushal> bhavesh: ok
[08:13] <kaushal> Does this Video Card http://www.dell.com/in/business/p/vostro-3500/pd will enable Unity ?
[08:13] <pooltable> when 11.4 is release when is the beta alfa for the 11.10  start ?
[08:13] <elricL> can anyone help me http://askubuntu.com/questions/34997/disk-drive-not-ready-yet-or-not-available
[08:13] <KM0201> !11.10
[08:14] <KM0201> oh my.. they really stretched it w/ that name
[08:14] <KM0201> i was hoping for Ornery Ostrage
[08:14] <pooltable> ubottu only 15 wow
[08:14] <KM0201> only 15..lol
[08:15] <KM0201> how the heck do you even pronounce that?
[08:15] <KM0201> lol
[08:15] <pooltable> so like red hat that at 14 now
[08:15] <KM0201> is RH at 14 now?
[08:15] <KM0201> i knew Fedora was.. but i thought RH was still around like version 7
[08:15] <pooltable> the fedora i mean
[08:16] <KM0201> yeah, fedora is kinda the "Ubuntu" of the RPM distros... releases every 6mo whether you like it or not, etc
[08:16] <KM0201> i like fedora though
[08:16] <KM0201> i'm a total debian tramp.. but if i was gonna use a RH distro, it would be fedora
[08:16] <pooltable> over ubuntu
[08:16] <KM0201> no, not over ubuntu.
[08:16] <KM0201> i prefer debian releases over RH releases
[08:16] <pooltable> ok
[08:17] <pooltable> why?
[08:17] <KM0201> but.. if for some reason, i was gonna use a RH release, or if someone asks me to recommend a RH release, I always recommend fedora
[08:17] <bullgard4> ~/.config/autostart with me includes only 7 .desktop files. Is this normal?
[08:17] <KM0201> why do i prefer Debian releases?.. honestly, i'm just used to them...
[08:17] <pooltable> i see
[08:17] <KM0201> i know how they work, i'm familiar w/ the package manager (not that RH's is difficult to use)...
[08:17] <KM0201> i know generally what i'm looking for whenj i want to do something
[08:18] <pooltable> i just like hw easy ubuntu is to update
[08:18] <pooltable> how
[08:18] <KM0201> yeah, believe it or not, the first Linux distro i got to work completely, 100% (after numerous tries w/ other distros) was Fedora 4
[08:18] <pooltable> i have use puppy linux to fix my hard drive i like puppy
[08:19] <KM0201> ubuntu had failed to install for me several times, but fedora 4 worked flawlessly, then fedora 5, then for whatever reason, ubuntu 6.06 came out, and i thought "well i'll try it".. and it worked, so i installed it, and used it for a bit, and i was hooked, i liked it a lot better
[08:19] <pooltable> my friend like gentoo i like it untill i saw ubuntu
[08:19] <KM0201> Gentoo is not for the novice.. very solid distro though
[08:20] <pooltable> i now that why i did not like it
[08:20] <KM0201> lol
[08:21] <KM0201> gentoo has a very powerful package manager, once yo figure out how to use it.. the problem (for me) was figuring out how to use it.
[08:21] <KM0201> lol
[08:21] <KM0201> that ws years ago though.. i coudl probably use it now if i really anted to
[08:21] <pooltable> i am thiss now at like i download a s zip file how to installed it
[08:21] <KM0201> huh
[08:21] <KM0201> is it a zip file, or a .tar.gz file?
[08:22] <pooltable> sorry still new at this
[08:22] <pooltable> tar.gz
[08:22] <KM0201> no prob.. if its a .tar.gz   that is the source code of a program, and it has to be compiled from source... if you're new.. it's best to avoid this.. as it can be quite daunting.
[08:22] <KM0201> what program did you download  a.tar file for?
[08:23] <pooltable> ideas1035.tar.bz2 like this how do iinstall it i know how to u zip it
[08:23] <KM0201> well, installing it, can be quite comples
[08:23] <KM0201> *complex
[08:23] <KM0201> !compile | pooltable
[08:23] <KM0201> read it and weep
[08:24] <pooltable> !compile
[08:26] <pooltable> lot of thing t do to try to get some things t work
[08:27] <pooltable> likw i know blender 2.7.2 is out but not for ubuntu
[08:28] <KM0201> pooltable, you sure about that?
[08:28] <KM0201> i don't use blender, but i think it has an ubuntu version
[08:29] <KM0201> pooltable, not sure about 10.10(as i don't have it running at the moment) but on 11.04, blender is in the repositories
[08:29] <pooltable> sorry it is out
[08:30] <KM0201> but it looks like its version 2.49.2  ... i imagine you could find a 2.7.2 package for ubuntu if you look around.. probably in a PPA somewhere
[08:30] <pooltable> but some time programs like it i want the new version have and have to wait for it
[08:30] <KM0201> pooltable, i could be wrong, but i think me and you are the only ones still awake
[08:30] <pooltable> or like sims 3 i can never get it to rum
[08:30] <pooltable> run
[08:31] <pooltable> i see
[08:31] <KM0201> ya
[08:31] <KM0201> my opinion, if you want to game... your best bet is to dual boot, unless you want to play games that have linux versions
[08:31] <KM0201> (which aren't very many)
[08:31] <pooltable> that why i am not even type ing your name
[08:31] <KM0201> lol
[08:31] <pooltable> i know that now
[08:31] <KM0201> i do it by habit, cuz i IRC a lot
[08:32] <pooltable> i kinda lazy if i do not have to i do not do it fater to just type
[08:34] <elricL> can anyone help me http://askubuntu.com/questions/34997/disk-drive-not-ready-yet-or-not-available
[08:34] <KM0201> pooltable, well, like i said, i IRC so much, usually in very busy channels, i just do it instinctively
[08:35] <pooltable> km0201 i see i will try harder to do it what is the faster why to see if i have vlc at the 1.9 version ?
[08:36] <KM0201> pooltable, in a terminal    "vlc --ver" don't for get the space, and thats two -
[08:37] <pooltable> km0201 ok is it at 1.1.7 what is the best way to upgrade
[08:38] <KM0201> i usually just wait for update manager to update it...
[08:38] <KM0201> otherwise, you'll have to go to vlc's website, download the source code and compile it.
[08:38] <KM0201> you *might* be able to find an ubuntu package out there for it somewhere
[08:39] <bullgard4> System > Preferences > Startup zApplications shows 20 applications asserted. Why does ~/.config/autostart list only 7?
[08:39] <bullgard4> System > Preferences > Startup Applications shows 20 applications asserted. Why does ~/.config/autostart list only 7?
[08:40] <pooltable> km0201 how do i skip this : Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-desktop/gnome3-builds/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404  Not Found
[08:41] <KM0201> what do you mean how do you skip it?
[08:41] <KM0201> i wouldn't skip that, if you're trying to install gnome 3
[08:41] <KM0201> unless you're just dying to reinstall
[08:42] <pooltable> km0201 i trying to just get update and once it get there is stop
[08:42] <KM0201> hmm
[08:42] <KM0201> i have no idea on that one.
[08:42] <pooltable> km0201 on other program like vlc
[08:43] <pooltable> km0201 how about uninstall it  remove it ?
[08:43] <KM0201> well fi you're already in the middle of upgrading
[08:43] <KM0201> it might be to late.
[08:43] <KM0201> weren't you upgrading to 11.04
[08:44] <pooltable> kn0201 i am on 10.10 what about this Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ maverick/partner i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.canonical.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_partner_binary-i386_Packages)
[08:44] <KM0201> hang on just a sec pooltable
[08:46] <mns`> if you want unity to work well, please don't install the oficial nvidia driver from ubuntu. doing that here made unity run really slow. it was a bad experience. i only could solve that when i installed the 3D support for nouveau in the restricted drivers
[08:47] <mns`> now everything is fast here in unity
[08:47] <bullgard4> mns`: Did you report this to Launchpad?
[08:48] <mns`> not yet, but i will
[08:48] <bullgard4> mns`: Great. Thank you.
[08:48] <mns`> i'm using the amd64 version of ubuntu here
[08:50] <mns`> i'm asleep
[08:50] <mns`> tomorrow i'll report
[08:50] <skwashd> I'm trying to upgrade from lucid to natty
[08:50] <skwashd> it has mostly gone well except the python stuff
[08:51] <skwashd> pycompile seems to be broken
[08:51] <bullgard4> skwashd: Do not do it in one step. Take the intermediate Maverick step.
[08:51] <skwashd> bullgard4, bit late for that now
[08:52] <skwashd> it has installed more than half of the packages from natty already
[08:52] <skwashd> this is the output i'm getting http://pastebin.com/JUytRwMU
[08:54] <pooltable> help update or installed vlc 1.1.9?
[08:55] <KM0201> pooltable, are yo using 10.10?
[08:55] <pooltable> km0201 yes \
[08:56] <KM0201> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-ubuntu.html
[08:56] <KM0201> scroll down to where it says "install vlc from ppa"
[08:56] <KM0201> follow the 3 steps
[08:56] <KM0201> i would uninstall vlc first though
[08:56] <KM0201> only cuz i'm crazy like that
[08:56] <pooltable> km0201 this one ?
[08:57] <pooltable> km0201 this one ? At your OWN risks, install VLC from PPA
[08:57] <KM0201> pooltable, yes
[08:57] <KM0201> uninstall vlc.. then follow those 3 steps
[08:57] <KM0201> you want the bleeding edge vlc... you'll get it.. problems at and all..lol
[08:57] <KM0201> !latest
[08:59] <KM0201> pooltable, unless there's a specific reason you need 1.9, (a 1.6 is not working, and a fix in 1.9 fixes the problem, or something like that) it's really best to just keep the stasble version in Ubuntu
[09:00] <KM0201> upgrading "just to upgrade" is a recipe for disaster
[09:01] <pooltable> km0201 keep getting 1.1.7 o well good for me then
[09:02] <KM0201> pooltable, why ar eyou so intent on getting 1.9?
[09:02] <KM0201> or 1.1.9.. sorry
[09:02] <pooltable> just like to see the difference
[09:03] <KM0201> pooltable, no offense, but thats pretty foolish
[09:03] <KM0201> thats a good way to brick an install, getting crazy w/ PPAs, etc
[09:03] <pooltable> kn0201 i see now i will pass on it
[09:03] <_|pegasus|_> i would be glad if i find a difference between 0.9. and 1.1.x ;)
[09:03] <KM0201> little late
[09:04] <KM0201> _|pegasus|_, lol.. i've not really saw much of a difference in VLC, since I started using it about 4-5yrs ago
[09:04] <KM0201> lol
[09:04] <pooltable> km0201  same here just some new skins
[09:05] <KM0201> barely that
[09:05] <_|pegasus|_> KM0201: Try, but i don't really remember 0.7 and later. But in the interface there changed nothing and with deeper config (expert mode on) i were too lazy. It played - that's it.
[09:06] <pooltable> ok km0201 hadr ware question i looking fo a god under 200 viedo card 2.0 with a pvr and suggestion ?
[09:06] <pooltable> hard
[09:06] <_|pegasus|_> pooltable: The skins are not released with the version. To it: VLC got a security problem. It should be fixed now.
[09:06] <KM0201> pooltable, no clue at all.
[09:06] <skwashd> bullgard4, fixed it ... installed python2.6-minimal and python-minimal from maverick
[09:06] <pooltable> km0201 ok
[09:06] <bullgard4> skwashd: I am glad that you made it.
[09:07] <pooltable> km0201 do you like amd or intell i like amd for the cost
[09:07] <aHardyX> Hi! Is this the right place to discuss about problems with Unity in beta2?
[09:08] <KM0201> pooltable, every PC I've built since an AMD K5, has been AMD
[09:08] <aHardyX> There are no icons in the side toolbar
[09:08] <skwashd> bullgard4, not the first time i've killed a box doing a dist-upgrade
[09:08] <KM0201> my laptop however, is a Celeron, and thats only because i couldn't build it, and i got a really good deal on it.
[09:11] <KM0201> aHardyX, none at all
[09:11] <KM0201> >
[09:11] <KM0201> >?
[09:11] <aHardyX> KM0201, nope its blank
[09:11] <KM0201> hmm
[09:12] <aHardyX> KM0201, want a screenshot?
[09:12] <pooltable> km0201 i want to get the new one net year the BD i like the 100 3.3 GHZ 6X
[09:12] <KM0201> sure, why not
[09:12] <pooltable> 1100
[09:12] <_|pegasus|_> aHardyX: I had the same problem but the latest updates fixed it. Ary you up-to-date?
[09:13] <aHardyX> _|pegasus|_
[09:13] <aHardyX> _|pegasus|_ yes I am up to date
[09:13] <aHardyX> here is the pic: http://i56.tinypic.com/kal1kw.png
[09:13] <_|pegasus|_> aHardyX: File a bug ;)
[09:14] <KM0201> aHardyX, yeah, that is a little weird
[09:14] <_|pegasus|_> aHardyX: Well, i know rthat. Even there was nothing in the Apps too.
[09:14] <pooltable> ahardy blank desk top ?
[09:15] <aHardyX> pooltable, yeah I don't have anything on it
[09:15] <pooltable> ahardyx is that the why you want it ?
[09:15] <pooltable> way
[09:16] <aHardyX> pooltable, what r u talking abt? The desktop or the sidebar?
[09:16] <pooltable> ahardyx desk top
[09:17] <aHardyX> pooltable, yeah its blank because there is nothing in the Desktop folder. This is a fresh installation
[09:18] <pooltable> ahardyx i see
[09:18] <twager> The apps icons no now not appear in my sidebar..Tha app shows when I run the mouse over it though...Could it be a  graphics card fault?
[09:19] <aHardyX> so How do I file a bug when aport crashes everytime !\
[09:20] <_|pegasus|_> aHardyX In terminal: ubuntu-bug <packagename> or if iut has a window: ubuntu-bug -w and point to it
[09:22] <aHardyX> _|pegasus|_ and how do i know whether I am using ubity 2d or 3d?
[09:22] <aHardyX> _|pegasus|_ unity*
[09:23] <_|pegasus|_> aHardyX Unity complains if your graphic accelerator doen't support 3D... Tray it in failsafeX.
[09:23] <aHardyX> _|pegasus|_ failsafex brings me back to the old Gnome desktop
[09:24] <aHardyX> _|pegasus|_ and I am using Nvidia Geforce FX 5500 AGP card
[09:24] <_|pegasus|_> aHardyX: What does Unity tell you if you start up in failsafeX?
[09:24] <aHardyX> _|pegasus|_ nothing......it just loads to the old Gnome desktop
[09:25] <_|pegasus|_> aHardyX: Okay, then wwe have two much different Natty Beta 2.
[09:25] <aHardyX> _|pegasus|_  How is that possible? I downloaded it yesterday and updated it today
[09:26] <aHardyX> _|pegasus|_  wait 'll try doing it again! brb
[09:26] <_|pegasus|_> aHardyX: Me too. I don't know. My Unity tells me that my graphics hardware doesn't support unity and so on and so on. I get a lot info about that from unity and why it doesn't and why it won't.
[09:27] <quup> does the kubuntu beta2  64bit mac iso work on non-mac systems as well?
[09:29] <aHardyX> _|pegasus|_ ok It gave me an error after loading in failsafeX
[09:30] <_|pegasus|_> aHaryX: I looked in ccms - there WAS a plugin with something about 3D in beta 1. But now it is gone...
[09:31] <_|pegasus|_> aHardyX: But that all doesn't bring the icons back, right ;)
[09:31] <pooltable> well getting tired here have a nice day to all
[09:31] <aHardyX> _|pegasus|_  yeah
[09:31] <pooltable> thanks for all the help
[09:31] <_|pegasus|_> aHardyX: Files a bug?
[09:32] <aHardyX> _|pegasus|_  ok lemme restart into unity again....brb
[09:32] <_|pegasus|_> pooltable goes testing vlc ;)
[09:33] <somethinginteres> how can I replace the flash player installed through 11.04's software centre with the 10.3 beta "libflashplayer.so"? I run both Chromium and Firefox and only see the file located in the following areas, not in any browser specific location in Chromium's case: http://paste.ubuntu.com/594760/
[09:35] <bhaevsh> Installing : http://i.imgur.com/WBGTs.png :)
[09:38] <mongy> I know fglrx is unsupported but I just wanna ask if there is anything I can, other than use the 'radeon' driver to fix the tearing.  I can see a new option in ati ccc called tear free, but the downside of it is stuff is quite choppy when its enabled.  Before, in 10.10 all I needed was to enable vsync always on in ccc but I cant get the same effect in 11.04, its either choppy and flicker free or smooth but tearing.
[09:45] <bullgard4> System > Preferences > Startup Applications shows 20 applications asserted. Why does ~/.config/autostart list only 7?
[09:58] <incorrect> can you change the size of the icons on unity?
[09:59] <somethinginteres> incorrect: you can if you install "Compiz Settings Manager". It is not available off the bat b/c such features are considered beta
[10:01] <incorrect> somethinginteres, ah cool, i think they are a little too big for my netbook and pointlessly huge for when i upgrade my desktop
[10:01] <somethinginteres> incorrect: I agree. I changed it myself on installing beta 1. Just search for "ccsm" and look for the Unity section
[10:02] <incorrect> thanks
[10:02] <incorrect> i will
[10:03] <incorrect> i like my desktops being a one dimensional array not a 2x2 grid, i guess this can be changed too
[10:08] <somethinginteres> incorrect: a one dimensional array?
[10:08] <incorrect> 1x4
[10:08] <somethinginteres> incorrect: ah I see
[10:09] <somethinginteres> any way to automount my drives without extra software?
[10:11] <incorrect> that would require something in the kernel i guess
[10:15] <KM0201> something there should be, hangon
[10:16] <bhavesh> KM0201: omg wow I am installing now and I can see changes happening on my desktop
[10:16] <bhavesh> KM0201: things are changes
[10:16] <KM0201> ya
[10:16] <bhavesh> changing*
[10:18] <KM0201> somethinginteres, i know there's a way to do it, i'm just not sure how.. i think it involves adding some entries to Fstab
[10:19] <somethinginteres> KM0201: I see
[10:19] <KM0201> somethinginteres, are they ntfs partitions?
[10:19] <somethinginteres> KM0201: one is the other is ext4
[10:20] <KM0201> i thought disk utility could do it.. but apparently not
[10:22] <somethinginteres> KM0201: I'm not even sure about how to easily find the drives through Unity to just get them to mount whenever I opened them
[10:23] <somethinginteres> the other thing I don't know is how to get the "File" etc menu of applications to appear other than mousing over the maximised windows title bar
[10:23] <KM0201> somethinginteres, honestly, easiest way... is open your home folder, and you'll see them in the window on the left... just click them, and they'll auto mount
[10:23] <somethinginteres> KM0201: thanks
[10:23] <KM0201> somethinginteres, this *might* work.. that package is in the repos.. so i'm guessing those instructions should work well.
[10:23] <KM0201> http://maketecheasier.com/auto-mount-your-ntfs-partition-in-ubuntu/2009/04/14
[10:24] <KM0201> i imagine you'd just do the same for your ext4 partition
[10:24] <somethinginteres> KM0201: OK thanks
[10:25] <somethinginteres> KM0201: any hints on how to get the "file" etc menu to appear without having to mouse over the maximised window's title bar?
[10:25] <KM0201> somethinginteres, not a clue.. that's a "feature".. :)
[10:26] <somethinginteres> KM0201: brilliant :)
[10:26] <KM0201> :)
[10:27] <gordonjcp> somethinginteres: you can put it back on the window *where it should be*
[10:27] <gordonjcp> somethinginteres: think you remove/disable indicator-appmenu
[10:28] <KM0201> ah, that would make sense
[10:28] <somethinginteres> gordonjcp: will look into it
[10:28]  * KM0201 misses the system monitor and force quit panel applets
[10:28] <KM0201> why they couldn't add those to indicator applet, i don't know
[10:29] <gordonjcp> I miss the weather applet
[10:29] <KM0201> gordonjcp, weather applet is easy to reinstall.
[10:29] <gordonjcp> KM0201: yeah, but I *shouldn't have to*
[10:29] <KM0201> well, now i won't argue w/ that
[10:30] <KM0201> gordonjcp, but the new indicator, is way better than the old one.
[10:31] <KM0201> gordonjcp, http://www.webupd8.org/2011/01/weather-indicator-lives-on-gets-new-ppa.html
[10:32] <KM0201> it'll even do "notifications" of severe weather
[10:32] <somethinginteres> I tend to try to get used to any new environment more than I would be happy to make custom changes e.g. removing indicator-appmenu but it just doesn't seem to be conducive to good workflow. Based on the "Default Desktop Experience for 11.04 - User testing results" found at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-April/032988.html there seems to be a number of user experience issues.
[10:33] <KM0201> somethinginteres, i could tell you about my "user experience" w/ kubuntu 11.04 earlier
[10:33] <KM0201> ugh
[10:33] <KM0201> now i know why i never use that dreadful OS.
[10:33] <KM0201> lol
[10:35] <somethinginteres> KM0201: I think I might just need to understand the interface more
[10:36] <KM0201> somethinginteres, that could be.. it takes a little gettin used to.
[10:37] <gordonjcp> KM0201: can you customise what it thinks is "severe"?
[10:38] <gordonjcp> KM0201: if it's anything like the US "Skywarn" types, they reckon a bit of rain and 70mph wind is "severe weather"
[10:38] <KM0201> gordonjcp, not sure.. i've not really looked at that, but i donj't think so.
[10:38] <KM0201> gordonjcp, we had some pretty serious thunderstorms here tonight, and it didn't alert me.
[10:46] <KM0201> allr ight, 6am.. gonna sleep for 4hrs.. then try to stay up till midnight.
[10:46] <KM0201> hopefully that will fix my sleep pattern
[10:46] <KM0201> later all.
[10:52] <bhavesh> KM0201: Installed it :D
[10:52] <bhavesh> KM0201: But my docky bar is dead and I dont know where to go to all those System > Preferences stuff
[10:55] <bhavesh> how can I reduce the sidebar size?
[10:57] <bhavesh> and where is that setting where I could change my display effects to medium high and very high?
[11:06] <bhavesh> ok right so I installed ubuntu 11.04 and I messed up with compiz fusion manager
[11:06] <bhavesh> I enabled desktop cube
[11:06] <bhavesh> and it asked to disable some plugins when I did
[11:06] <bhavesh> and now I dont have any bar
[11:06] <bhavesh> not even the window top bar
[11:06] <bhavesh> nor the side bar
[11:07] <bhavesh> what am I supposed to do?
[11:15] <bhavesh> how can I reset unity?
[11:15] <bhavesh> I dont have top windo bars....
[11:17] <alpha_> unity --replace
[11:17] <alpha_> from a terminal
[11:28] <Tux91> hey all
[12:33] <clmnt-jr> Good morning, someone can help me to use mobile broadband on  the ubuntu natty beta 2?
[12:51] <ki9a> Since updating my beta 1 install to the latest packages X freezes up on boot: http://pastebin.com/9RDJDjND says "NVidia(GPU-0) Failed detecting connected display devices"
[12:51] <ki9a> how do I get it working again?
[12:51] <ki9a> it was working fine in b1; and obviously, my screen is attached
[12:52] <ki9a> (however both keyboard and mouse do not respond, I see the output from an ssh terminal)
[12:57] <ki9a> how do I get it working again?
[13:11] <ki9a_> hrm. now getting: http://pastebin.com/LXb8diBM
[13:15] <bhavesh> anyone here?
[13:15] <bhavesh> I still could not bring my window top bar
[13:15] <bhavesh> any window I open is without any border and top bar...
[13:16] <mahfrk> folks, how to take the screenshot of Unity dash?
[13:16] <bhavesh> I guess there is no application assiged to do that..
[13:17] <bhavesh> Im too unhappy with unity
[13:17] <ki9a_> you can easily change to gnome-desktop
[13:17] <ki9a_> it's an option at login
[13:17] <mongy> bhavesh, are they opening maximised?
[13:17] <bhavesh> err I dont have any login screen
[13:17] <bhavesh> no
[13:17] <bhavesh> they arent
[13:17] <bhavesh> just they have no borders or top bar
[13:18] <bhavesh> I messed up with something in compiz
[13:18] <mongy> mahfrk, gnome-screenshot and set a delay
[13:18] <bhavesh> can I restore unity somehow?
[13:18] <mongy> bhavesh, window decoration plugin  in compiz maybe?
[13:18] <bhavesh> hmm i'll have to search it now..
[13:18] <bhavesh> 1 sec
[13:20] <bhavesh> mongy, ok I think I got those things back.. still something seems like missing
[13:20] <bhavesh> mahfrk, U can get the screenshot thingy by going in compiz manager and enabling screenshot
[13:21] <bhavesh> mongy, but still I cant move any window
[13:21] <bhavesh> all windows are stuck at their place
[13:21] <mongy> does alt (click and move) work ?
[13:22] <bhavesh> no it does not
[13:22] <bhavesh> also my docky bar hangs sometimes :(
[13:23] <mongy> idk then
[13:23] <mongy> works (mostly) ok here.
[13:23] <bhavesh> any way to restore compiz settings?
[13:23] <mongy> prefs in ccsm
[13:23] <mongy> restore defaukt
[13:23] <mongy> default
[13:23] <bhavesh> k
[13:24] <mahfrk> mongy: thanks. it works
[13:26] <tim> hi all, since both nouveau and nvidia-current are broken for me on 11.04, what is there preferred way to install the nvidia-260 driver?
[13:26] <ki9a_> tim: how is nivdia-current broken for you?
[13:27] <Necrosporus> nouveau is better, you may want to fix
[13:27] <tim> ki9a_: nvidia-current freezes the whole machine, when launching gdb/kdb
[13:27] <ki9a_> tim: curious. I have the exact same here since upgrading 1 or 2 days ago
[13:27] <tim> Necrosporus: nouveau crashes when i start tk applications
[13:27] <yofel> tim: nvidia 260 does not work with X-Server 1.10
[13:27] <yofel> only 270
[13:28] <tim> oh
[13:28] <ki9a_> apparently, the latest driver or kernel or X server is convinced I have no screen; [    47.540] (EE) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Failed detecting connected display devices
[13:28] <yofel> tim: if it crashes you should add a report on http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=14
[13:28] <vega> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-April/032988.html "5/11 participants (P2, P3, P5, P9, P10, P11) crashed Unity during their hour of testing."
[13:28] <vega> sounds promising..
[13:29] <yofel> Necrosporus: nouveau is at least as ba
[13:29] <yofel> *bad
[13:29] <bhaevsh> Alright now the windows move and I got top bar
[13:29] <yofel> for me - worse
[13:29] <bhaevsh> but all other things are missing
[13:29] <Necrosporus> tim, have you filled a bug report?
[13:29] <bhaevsh> the side bar and top bar of unity
[13:29] <Necrosporus> Nouveau is _much_ better, because it doesn't break the entire security of the System
[13:30] <Necrosporus> It's free software
[13:30] <yofel> Necrosporus: then get someone to fix freedesktop bug 26980 so I can actually *use* it
[13:30] <tim> Necrosporus:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/659473
[13:30] <ki9a_> Necrosporus: that'd be fun if it actually worked.
[13:30] <bhaevsh> my ubuntu crashed after I restored defaukts -__-
[13:30] <bhaevsh> defaults
[13:30] <tim> Necrosporus: unfortunately it hasn been worked on for almost 6 months :(
[13:30] <bhaevsh> and now I dont have any bar
[13:31] <bhaevsh> I am really really unhappy with unity
[13:32] <ki9a_> there are few people that actually like unity
[13:32] <ki9a_> except those that wrote it
[13:33] <bhaevsh> wait a sec, there was something where I could set up the low medium and high settings.... where are they?
[13:34] <bhaevsh> the high added effects like swinging windows...
[13:34] <bhaevsh> it was in appearence
[13:34] <bhaevsh> now it isnt...?
[13:34] <Necrosporus> tim, have you tried the SVN version?
[13:34] <tim> Necrosporus: svn of nouveau?
[13:34] <Necrosporus> Best solution, however, I suppose, is to by an ATI card and throw out nvidia
[13:35] <Necrosporus> Or sell
[13:35] <tim> Necrosporus: frankly, i am getting too old for this!
[13:35] <Necrosporus> tim, yep, svn of nouveau
[13:35] <bhaevsh> ubutnu should've supported nvidia..
[13:35] <tim> Necrosporus: the binary nvidia driver did a hell of a job for the last two years ... i cannot say this for any ati card i ever had
[13:35] <Necrosporus> Natty seem working well with Radeon HD 5470
[13:35] <bhaevsh> alright i've decided to get GNOME3
[13:35] <bhaevsh> how can I?
[13:35] <bhaevsh> from 11.04
[13:36] <bhaevsh> there is no login screen btw
[13:36] <ki9a_> gnome3 under ubuntu 11.04 is so unstable its' not woth it
[13:36] <ki9a_> but gnome2 works fine
[13:36] <Necrosporus> nvidia should support free software by releasing specifications like AMD does
[13:37] <ki9a_> statements like that are completely useless if you already HAVE nvidia hardware
[13:37] <Necrosporus> ki9a_, I had some nvidia card, but when I started to use GNU/Linux, I have replaced it with ATI card
[13:37] <bhaevsh> ki9a_ so if I get gnome2 now then can I upgrade to gnome3 lateR?
[13:38] <ki9a_> bhaevsh: once it becomes stable you can do aynthing you want really
[13:38] <ki9a_> there ARE packages btw
[13:38] <ki9a_> i tried them last week
[13:38] <Necrosporus> And now I can use 3D on my computer without breaking its security
[13:38] <ki9a_> crashes all around
[13:38] <bhaevsh> O.o
[13:38] <bhaevsh> is there any way to reduce the size of my unity's sidebar?
[13:38] <ki9a_> if you want that, there are guides on google, "ubuntu 11.04 gnome3"
[13:38] <bhaevsh> when I click search button the black box appears over the whole screen
[13:38] <tim> Necrosporus: i have been using ati, nvidia and intel cards. i cannot say that any of them worked perfectly
[13:38] <bhaevsh> ok
[13:39] <ki9a_> i have an iMac, with nvidia card
[13:39] <ki9a_> worked perfectly until beta2
[13:39] <yofel> Necrosporus: still doesn't help if you have a notebook with an nvidia chip. And the driver works reasonably fine
[13:39] <Silker> bhaevsh, try the opposite of this: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/quick-tip-enable-full-screen-dash-in-natty-desktop/
[13:39] <tim> Necrosporus: however for the last 2 years i didn't have any issues with my nvidia card
[13:39] <ki9a_> i'm not going to blame nvidia for something ubuntu broke
[13:39] <yofel> and I'm *not* going to try svn/git snapshots of my graphics driver
[13:39] <yofel> if anything that's the distros job
[13:40] <tim> Necrosporus: is there any packaged version of nouveau?
[13:40] <tim> (svn)
[13:40] <bhaevsh> Silker: ty :)
[13:41] <ki9a_> interesting. the only reference to the XOrg.0.log error I get (NVIDIA(GPU-0): Failed detecting connected display devices) is the pastebin I did half an hour ago
[13:41] <bhaevsh> well so I cannot get swinging windows effect again?
[13:41] <yofel> tim: in xorg-edgers maybe
[13:41] <bhaevsh> that was in appearence set to very high?
[13:42] <Necrosporus> yofel, then you should not have bought such a notebook. If you can't buy another, you hovever, can use nouveau
[13:42] <yofel> tim: https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[13:42] <yofel> Necrosporus: with nouveau I can't use any compositing or my GPU locks up as I said.
[13:42] <tim> Necrosporus: unless you use xinerama and tk :(
[13:43] <Necrosporus> tim, there is xorg-edgers PPA, it work fine with 10.10 and gives 3D on Radeon HD5470
[13:44] <Necrosporus> With 11.04 3D works by default
[13:44] <tim> Necrosporus: i *am* on 11.04 ... 3d works, tk doesn't
[13:45] <Necrosporus> tim, I suppose, it is fixable, however, I'd prefer to buy another videocard or laptop in such case
[13:45] <Necrosporus> Maybe
[13:45] <yofel> you maybe, we others are going to stick to the nvidia driver
[13:46] <Necrosporus> Also, if such a laptop comes with nvidia card, it is possibly replaceable
[13:46] <ki9a_> runlevel 3 it is
[13:46] <ki9a_> heh
[13:46] <ki9a_> Ubuntu is broken and the suggestion here is to replace your graphics card
[13:46] <Necrosporus> ki9a_, nvidia is broken
[13:47] <Necrosporus> it doesn't release specs
[13:47] <ki9a_> while for some that might be a sore issue
[13:47] <tim> Necrosporus: 10.10 was not broken, 11.04 is broken
[13:47] <ki9a_> i really don't care about it if it was working earlier.
[13:49] <Necrosporus> tim, than you may downgrade the driver, X or whole distro
[13:49] <lcb> how about blaming Xorg... instead of mass criticizing 11.04
[13:49] <bhaevsh> is gnome2 already installed in 11.04 but disabled?
[13:50] <bhaevsh> I want gnome2 back
[13:50] <bhaevsh> from unity
[13:50] <Necrosporus> I don't like Unity. Is it at least possible to bring main menus back under window title?
[13:50] <arand> bhaevsh: Login to ubuntu classic session
[13:50] <Necrosporus> bhaevsh, it is
[13:50] <lcb> Necrosporus, yes
[13:50] <tim> Necrosporus: sure
[13:50] <Necrosporus> How to?
[13:50] <bhaevsh> arand: now whats a classic session?
[13:51] <Necrosporus> bhaevsh, gnome2 session
[13:51] <bhaevsh> arand: I dont get any login screen btw
[13:51] <arand> logout, click username, select ubuntu classic
[13:51] <tim> Necrosporus: and i might have to, but introducing a regression and asking people to use the old version is not really user friendly
[13:51] <Necrosporus> bhaevsh, disable autologin. sudo gdmconfig
[13:51] <arand> Well if not, you've set it to autologin
[13:51] <bhaevsh> yes I have set it to autologin
[13:51] <Necrosporus> tim, only Slackware is user friendly enough, ubuntu is not
[13:52] <bhaevsh> sudo gdmconfig not found x_x
[13:52] <arand> bhaevsh: I've told you how... And that is not what I said..
[13:52] <bhaevsh> ok
[13:52] <Necrosporus> sudo gdmsetup
[13:52] <tim> Necrosporus: thanks for the hint, i will switch
[13:53] <Necrosporus> tim, wait for 13.37, it's coming soon. 13.1 is fairly old
[13:54] <tim> Necrosporus: great, then it will probably still support the nvidia driver :P
[13:54] <bhaevsh> arand: I cant even logout....
[13:55] <Necrosporus> tim, do you really want to possess your system to great security risk?
[13:56] <Necrosporus> noone can check what does binary-only software do, so it's extremely dangerous to use
[13:56] <Necrosporus> And if it work on kernel level it is several times more dangerous
[13:57] <tim> Necrosporus: sure ... my nvidia card will transform into a monster and kill me, while i am sleeping
[13:58] <tim> Necrosporus: this argument is the old FUD
[13:58] <Necrosporus> it's worse, it may compromise your private data without letting you know, or turn your computer into zombie
[13:59] <Necrosporus> tim, it's not food, noone knows, what does that proprietary bits do
[13:59] <tim> Necrosporus: i have head many people saying, that it kills the latency and possibly ruins your worst-case scheduling latency
[13:59] <tim> Necrosporus: however i have been able to achieve worst-case scheduling latencies of approximately 10 microseconds
[14:00] <tim> Necrosporus: to compare - enabling hyperthreading increases the scheduling latency to about 250 us.
[14:04] <Necrosporus> tim, what are you talking about?
[14:05] <tim> Necrosporus: the binary nvidia driver and how people spread FUD about it
[14:06] <Necrosporus> tim, can you proof the driver is sane?
[14:06] <Necrosporus> Every proprietary software is dangerous, not only nvidia driver
[14:07] <Daekdroom> If people found out the nvidia binary driver was dangerous, they'd be fried, really.
[14:07] <Necrosporus> Adobe Flash for example is
[14:07]  * tim doesn't have time for this discussion any more
[14:07] <Daekdroom> And it isn't much different from people who install opensource software without checking the source cod.e
[14:08]  * tim would like to see a formal proof of correctness of the linux kernel
[14:08] <Necrosporus> At least it is possible to check it. so it's just dangerous, but proprietary software is not, so it is _extremely_ dangerous
[14:08] <tim> Necrosporus: have a nice afternoon
[14:08] <lcb> so being the main complaint about Natty the "missing" Gnome  menu let's try finding it...
[14:09] <lcb> Go to Applications | Themes & Tweaks | Startup Applications | Add -> Namme: Bottom Gnome Panel ; Command: gnome-panel ; Comment: This is my Gnome pacifier | (then) On the panel click Properties and besides 'Hide' arrange the menus in a way that do not overlap Natty's. From here you can play a lot with it.
[14:09] <lcb> and voila... Necrosporus , try that
[14:09] <BUGabundo> howdy
[14:09] <lcb> hi BUGabundo
[14:11] <Necrosporus> lcb, I'm talking about menu like file, edit...
[14:12] <lcb> i don't get it..
[14:12] <lcb> edit?
[14:12] <Necrosporus> Window menu, not gnome menus
[14:12] <Necrosporus> Currently it only appear on mouse hover upper panel
[14:13] <Necrosporus> How to bring it back where it should be in normal gnome?
[14:13] <lcb> if you do what i wrote then, after adding the pannel you'll have the option to add items, including the "tree" menu
[14:14] <Necrosporus> lcb, are you talking about Application menu of default gnome 2?
[14:14] <Necrosporus> It's not what I am talking about
[14:14] <Daekdroom> Necrosporus, as far as I know, you can't disable that.
[14:15] <Necrosporus> So, natty is fail. MacOS style menus is ugly as mac os itself
[14:15] <adrian_kx> can i ask questions about kubuntu here?
[14:15] <lcb> kubuntu natty
[14:15] <adrian_kx> yes
[14:16] <aguitel> how install gnome 3 in natty ?
[14:16] <adrian_kx> ati package is still broken in beta2?
[14:16] <adrian_kx> jokey reports failed deps ia32 libs
[14:16] <bhaevsh> I am installing GNOME3 on 11.04 hope all works good
[14:16] <adrian_kx> in plain ubuntu
[14:16] <adrian_kx> didnt try kubuntu beta yet
[14:17] <adrian_kx> gnome3 its not safe
[14:17] <arand> !gnome3
[14:17] <adrian_kx> and plus its faulty ugly touchscreen interface:)
[14:17] <lcb> as is not safe install whatever is not with natty by default, until final release
[14:17] <bhaevsh> ok I canceled it... gnome2 is ok for now
[14:18] <bhaevsh> my unitys sidebar looks ugly
[14:18] <bhaevsh> its huge
[14:18] <bhaevsh> really huge
[14:18] <adrian_kx> i like natty classic desktop
[14:18] <bhaevsh> with gnome2 ?
[14:18] <adrian_kx> yes
[14:18] <lcb> bhaevsh,  do the failsafeX thing and select defaults
[14:18] <adrian_kx> its gnome 2
[14:18] <bhaevsh> whats failsafeX?
[14:18] <adrian_kx> just use ubuntu classic at login screen
[14:19] <bhaevsh> I did the same
[14:19] <bhaevsh> I like unity but it just has a huge sidebar..
[14:19] <minashokry> hello, I am trying to install ubuntu 11.04 on dell xps 15 but I get a kernel panic when boting the live CD
[14:19] <bhaevsh> is failsafeX a command?
[14:19] <aguitel> adrian_kx, what is the difference between unity and gnome 3 ?
[14:20] <adrian_kx> they are 2 different projects
[14:20] <yofel> !unity
[14:20] <adrian_kx> nothing in common
[14:20] <adrian_kx> unity is base on old gnome2
[14:20] <lcb> minashokry, do the checksum on the iso | try burning the iso at slow speed
[14:20] <adrian_kx> its based
[14:20] <bhaevsh> omg gnome3 has more HUGE icons, fairly for touchscreens and not for desktops :(
[14:21] <adrian_kx> :)
[14:21] <adrian_kx> its fun tho:)
[14:21] <adrian_kx> to see how ppl try to inovate
[14:21] <aguitel> adrian_kx, when gnome 3 become in 11.10 it replace unity ?
[14:21] <adrian_kx> no
[14:21] <bhaevsh> yea... they shuold've kept netbook edidion seperate
[14:21] <adrian_kx> 11.10 will have unity by default
[14:22] <bhaevsh> edition*
[14:22] <lcb> in fack, Unity layout is a short way to go for touchscreens machines too
[14:22] <adrian_kx> says mark
[14:22] <aguitel> unity is only in ubuntu distro
[14:22] <bhaevsh> nope they will have gnome3..
[14:22] <adrian_kx> havent tryied kde in ages:)
[14:22] <minashokry> lcb, I don't think this is the problem, I burnt the CD with a slower older machine, also when I changed hard drive from ahci to ata, it could pass the kernel panic but then gives a message that can't find a medium containing live file system
[14:22] <aguitel> for example, fedora 15 will have gnome 3
[14:22] <lcb> 11.04 adrian_kx
[14:22] <yofel> can we move this discussion to after UDS-O? Then we'll defenitely know what it'll have
[14:23] <lcb> :)
[14:23] <adrian_kx> now that gnome 3 and unity are aiming for desktop lots of ppl will experiment diferent spins of ubuntu:P
[14:23] <yofel> if you've got arguments to make you can surely participate over IRC again this time
[14:24] <bhaevsh> they should make games for ubuntu
[14:24] <arand> yofel: when's uds this time, july something?
[14:24] <bazhang> !ot | bhaevsh
[14:24] <lcb> minashokry, as far as i know, there is no issues like your. so .. that's why i think is an image issue
[14:24] <yofel> no, in may
[14:24] <bhaevsh> ok sorry
[14:24] <yofel> !UDS
[14:24] <yofel> pretty soon actually
[14:25] <minashokry> lcb, I did an error check from k3b after I burnt the image and it was ok
[14:25] <minashokry> lcb, may I have better luck if I tried to install it from a USB instead of a CD?
[14:25] <lcb> minashokry, then, probably, turn your bios to defaults.
[14:26] <bhaevsh> wont I be able to use 3d cube or swinging effects in 11.04?
[14:26] <adrian_kx> u can
[14:26] <bhaevsh> if I enable them I get errors, half screen goes blank..
[14:26] <adrian_kx> its the same as 10.10 if u stick to classic desktop
[14:26] <arand> Cube won't work with unity though I think
[14:26] <bhaevsh> it doesn't even work in gnome2..
[14:26] <adrian_kx> beta2 has more breakeage than beta1 had
[14:26] <lcb> minashokry, you can try usb. i suggest unetbootin for that.
[14:27] <adrian_kx> looks like many things are regressing
[14:27] <minashokry> lcb, I just received this new machine and changed nothing in bios, except what I said
[14:27] <yofel> folks, if you have issues, please file bugs so you have a chance that the issue will be fixed
[14:27] <lcb> minashokry, ohh. ok. try "burning" an usb. with unetbootin
[14:27] <bhaevsh> ok im going to... there are a lot of them
[14:27] <adrian_kx> yofel i reported my bugs now i just have to wait to be fixed
[14:28] <minashokry> lcb, ok will try .... thanks
[14:28] <yofel> :)
[14:28] <adrian_kx> still 2 weeks till stable
[14:28] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[14:28] <arand> Alterntively, fix them yourself ;)
[14:28] <arand> 'lo
[14:28] <lcb> or as a neighbor
[14:28] <lcb> ask
[14:28] <adrian_kx> for my dam thinkpad ede 13 amd based its a big improvement natty 11.04
[14:29] <adrian_kx> anyone managed to get videoaccelaration to work with ati blob on hd3200 igp?
[14:29] <lcb> see..... a happy customer
[14:30] <adrian_kx> catalyst +xvba using vlc works?
[14:30] <adrian_kx> if anyone knows paste me a link to a howto
[14:43] <ki9a_> how do I switch to default to runlevel 3?
[14:44] <ki9a_> or more exactly
[14:44] <ki9a_> I don't want to start X ?
[14:44] <bazhang> !nox
[14:44] <bazhang> ki9a_, ^
[14:46] <wrefdsfds> hi
[14:46] <ki9a_> bazhang: thanks!
[14:47] <slestak> us the usb-creator.exe on beta2 a known issue?
[14:48] <slestak> i can select the iso, and the usb stick, but the Make Startup Disk button is not selectable
[14:49] <ki9a_> bazhang: that doesn't look up to date for 11.04
[14:49] <ki9a_> menu.lst doesn't exist for one
[14:50] <bazhang> ki9a_, right, shift to get to grub2 menu
[14:50] <eruditehermit> hey, can anyone help me get edge scrolling, middle mouse click and two finger scrolling working? They appear in mouse settings but when I try to use them, it doesn't work
[14:50] <bazhang> ki9a_, at boot
[14:52] <ki9a_> bazhang: yeah but i want to change it permanently; X is broken atm and it freezes my screen
[14:53] <bazhang> ki9a_, you mean you want a permanent cli environment?
[14:53] <ki9a_> until ubuntu is fixed yes; this imac has no switch for the screen, so I can't turn it off when the thing freezes
[14:54] <bazhang> aha right
[14:54] <bazhang> then stop gdm I suppose
[14:54] <ki9a_> how can I do that?
[14:54] <ki9a_> I don't want to damage it permanently
[14:54] <thewall> Hi all, just upgraded to natty, my SD card doesn't show up when I insert it, I have to reboot with the card in so as to see it on my desktop..should it not pick it up as soon as I plug it in?
[14:55] <ki9a_> i'm used to suse; where I could use chkconfig
[14:56] <bazhang> using upstart?
[14:57] <ki9a_> update-rc.d gdm disable
[14:58] <lcb> thewall, hmm with the SD inserted update and upgrade your system. also run the 'Additional Drivers'
[14:58] <thewall> so thats sudo apt-get update?
[14:59] <lcb> and sudo apt-get upgrade
[14:59] <thewall> ok, I'll give it a whirl 'with' the sd card in the drive.
[15:00] <lcb> do also sudo apt-get dist-upgrade . by that order
[15:01] <thewall> it says it is unable to lock the administration directory?
[15:01] <thewall> another process might be using it?
[15:02] <lcb> thewall, close synaptic
[15:02] <thewall> ok
[15:03] <bullgard4> Why does update-notifier need so much resident memory? (10,9 MiB)
[15:03] <thewall> it says 0  upgraded, 0 newly installed ?
[15:04] <bullgard4> !enter | thewall
[15:04] <lcb> thewall, then try rebooting... i don't know if that will load the necessary files. give it a try
[15:05] <thewall> what do u mean !enter?
[15:06] <lcb> :) nevermind
[15:06] <thewall> ok
[15:06] <lcb> he's talking with the bot
[15:07] <lcb> !you_can_leave bullgard4
[15:07] <lcb> :p
[15:10] <lcb> bullgard4, mine is at 2,7 MiBs
[15:12] <bullgard4> I consider 2,7 MiB also too much RAM consumption for this minor task.
[15:12] <lcb> ubuntuone-syncdaemon 19,7 MiB . time to kill it´
[15:12] <bullgard4> yes
[15:13] <lcb> my chromium takes a lot. sot so much as firefox though
[15:13] <lcb> sot/not
[15:15] <lcb> when final is out i might kill permanently those procs
[15:16] <lcb> update-n and ubuntu1
[15:17] <lcb> there is no reason indeed of having that constantly pulling recourses
[15:17] <lcb> resources too
[15:25] <aperson> does the installer still leave /home/ mostly intact?
[15:28] <lcb> all of it, not "mostly"
[15:28] <lcb> aperson, this is a beta release, so you should make a backup of everything
[15:29] <lcb> that means, /home/ would be intact if the computer is not messed up, after upgrading
[15:29] <aperson> lcb↳ I have no plans on using betas, I'm only asking because I know the installer has changed since I last installed
[15:30] <lcb> did it mess /home then?
[15:30] <aperson> no, but that was with the old installer
[15:31] <lcb> it's necessary to be careful with /home and /usr
[15:31] <lcb> and /etc...
[15:31] <aperson> and I what I had meant by 'mostly' was that it *does* alter some configuration files (which is to be expected)
[15:31] <aperson> lcb↳ I'm aware
[15:32] <aperson> I don't need advice, I just wanted to know if the installer still behaves as it used to
[15:32] <aperson> anyways, thanks
[15:32] <lcb> aperson, no-one complained yet, i believe
[15:32] <lcb> only interface complaints, mostly :)
[15:33] <aperson> I know this may not be the right place to ask for this one, but does kubuntu use the same installer? it's been a few releases since I've tried them
[15:34] <thewall> hi, me again, the SD card works from the desktop now..thnx; I was looking at my gnome version, it is 2.32, yet I am sure I saw a version 3, is this good for 11.04?
[15:34] <lcb> great, thewall
[15:34] <bazhang> from the ppa?
[15:34] <bazhang> NO
[15:35] <thewall> from gnome website I think
[15:35] <bazhang> there's a ppa too
[15:36] <thewall> but it's no good for natty yet?
[15:36] <bazhang> !ppa
[15:36] <bazhang> no PPA are good, this one especially
[15:37] <thewall> excellent, I've not used ubuntu much, only installed it a week ago :(
[15:38] <thewall> been a disgruntled windoze user for many years now...I can imagine now why they think ubuntu (all linux operating systems) is a threat to they mega-monopoly
[15:39] <lcb> :)
[15:39] <lcb> windows is good too
[15:39] <lcb> we can all live together
[15:40] <KM0201> thewall, the reality is, it's not... you still have to convince the masses, and honestly... Ubuntu still lacks some hardware support that even the average desktop user will require (printers mainly)
[15:40] <KM0201> if you can get them to try it... you're usually ok.. but getting them there is tough
[15:41] <thewall> one can imagine it is, I was a little confused at first as to the differences, such as the tar.gz's etc but it is a learning curve and the more subscribe to it the better it will become.
[15:41] <AaronCampbell> I have a Dell Laptop that I've been running 10.10 on for a awhile (it's an older laptop, a few years old).  I decided to upgrade to 11.04 since it's beta 2.
[15:41] <BluesKaj> well, maybe W7 is the besr so far , the networking is too W7 proprietary , even XP and vista machines have difficulty with the homegroup thing
[15:42] <KM0201> yeah...
[15:42] <thewall> funny u should mention that, my windows 7 has problems connecting where upon ubuntu is there immediately
[15:42] <KM0201> thewall, it can be done, but these people who install linux on someones machine, and then say "it's easy, here you go"... they do more of a disservice than a service
[15:43] <AaronCampbell> Unfortunately, every time I log in to unity or even "classic" gnome it freezes.  The mouse still works and ctrl+alt+f1-7 work, but that's it
[15:43] <AaronCampbell> If I log into the "safe mode" it seems that things work fine
[15:43] <BluesKaj> KM0201, printes and wifi..think wifi has more probs in my experience
[15:43] <BluesKaj> printers
[15:43] <KM0201> BluesKaj, wifi has gotten infinitely better though...
[15:43] <lcb> AaronCampbell, did you install 'Additional Drivers'?
[15:44] <KM0201> i mean, *most* wifi devices, will work out of the box, or w/ very little trouble (I've got atheros devices, and they all work out of the box)
[15:44] <thewall> u would think more the wifi in my experience, printer is good for my epson but then again is ubuntu ;)
[15:44] <cryptk> my typical route is to install it on their machine, set up grub to boot to windows by default... give them an hour or two primer and then tell them to go play!
[15:44] <KM0201> now when i first got my laptop about 5-6yrs ago, my wireless didn't work, then it worked, but required some driver patching, by 9.04, it was working out of the box (started w/ 8.04)
[15:44] <cryptk> then they can use it whenever they want to, play around, try it out, if they break it, no big deal, just re-install (at first)
[15:44] <cryptk> then later when they break it, teach them how to fix it
[15:45] <BluesKaj> KM0201,  yeah thank the gods , because fooling with wpa_supplicant on my other desktop (belkin ralink usb ) for 4 hrs yesterday was a test of my patience
[15:45] <AaronCampbell> lcb: During the upgrade?  I don't think so.  With the original install?  I'm honestly not sure.  If I remember correctly everything pretty much "just worked" with the original 10.10 install
[15:45] <thewall> hehe..I installed on a friends computer and he is getting along so far, I run into problems but I like to try and find the answers, he sort of relies on me to help him out
[15:46] <KM0201> BluesKaj, ouch... which belkin? i've got a belkin USB, that is plug n play.... I plug it in, about 10sec later, I see networks and connect (to wpa, wep, wpa2, etc.)
[15:46] <cryptk> I have had about a 70% conversion rate with people that I show it to
[15:46] <cryptk> most of them go dual boot with a windows primary for the first year or so
[15:46] <thewall> that is excellent surely?
[15:46] <KM0201> cryptk, which is honestly pretty smart.
[15:47] <lcb> AaronCampbell, do this:  CTRL +ALT + F2 | sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get -f install && sudo apt-get check && sudo reboot. WAIT
[15:47] <KM0201> taking someone off windows cold turkey, is a recipe for them to reinstalll windows 2hrs after you leave
[15:47] <cryptk> and they slowly start getting more and more angry at windows when they know they have something that works just as well (but actually better) that was free
[15:47] <cryptk> and yet they paid good money for blue screens
[15:47] <thewall> mine is dual boot at the mo but I am hoping to get rid soon, once I've got the basics out of the way that is
[15:47] <cryptk> lcb, wouldn't going sudo -i be easier... lol
[15:48] <BluesKaj> KM0201, I hate to admit it but the kde networkmanager doesn't do well with usb wifi and neither does wicd
[15:48] <cryptk> I am a professionally paid linux admin... I still dual boot
[15:48] <KM0201> BluesKaj, hmm, i don't use KDE, so i can't comment on that.
[15:48] <AaronCampbell> lcb: Would it be acceptable for me to do all but the reboot one at from the terminal to see what they do?
[15:48] <cryptk> granted my linux install is definitely primary, but windows is there for things that just don't work well in wine
[15:48] <thewall> that is the emulator right?
[15:49] <cryptk> AaronCampbell, yep, you can split them up at the &&'s, that is just a bunch of commands strung together
[15:49] <KM0201> thewall, i'd recommend at least 6mo... there's no hurry, keep windows as your "fall back" in case there's something you really need, and you just can't figure it out.  Windows allows you to do it, while you investigate how to get it working in linux
[15:49] <AaronCampbell> cryptk: I saw that, just making sure there wasn't a reason they all all needed to be run in immediate succession
[15:49] <cryptk> nope, linux won't care one bit if you break them up
[15:50] <thewall> thnx, good advice, I don't want to drop myself into the fire just yet ;)
[15:50] <KM0201> i dual booted for a long time, then nuked all my pc's laptops to Linux, I have  a small Virtual XP, that I use to sync Ipods and Zunes (via shared folders that are hosted on my linux boxes)... and it honestly works great
[15:50] <lcb> AaronCampbell, then, when the machine is booting press SHIFT after the BIOS messages (before grub loads)) and select recovery. Wait a bit and you'll get a menu. select CLEAN, then, DPKG, then GRUB, then failsafeX. On failsafeX select the option to fix and then default. click CANCEL and then RESTART X. reboot again.
[15:50] <KM0201> i boot Virtual XP about 2-3x a month.
[15:50] <BluesKaj> KM0201, what desktop do you recommend in Ubuntu 11.04 , nvidia 7600gt onboard so desktop effects etc isn't aprob for my older desktop
[15:51] <KM0201> BluesKaj, honestly, Unity is really growing on me.... i've always been a fan of Gnome Classic... but made an effort when I put 11.04 on my laptop, to try unity.. and i'm liking it.
[15:51] <cryptk> BluesKaj, matter of personal opinion
[15:51] <lcb> AaronCampbell, some of the commands and selections i wrote are abbreviated. but you'll see it when you get there.
[15:51] <cryptk> some people like unity, others KDE, I myself am liking Gnome3
[15:51] <KM0201> BluesKaj, i have always, ALWAYS hated KDE.... i tried it yesterday on a live USB... and I still feel like i need some alcohol to get over it.
[15:52] <AaronCampbell> lcb: Thanks...trying now
[15:52] <KM0201> cryptk, gnome 3 trashed my laptop... ended up having to reinstall.. if that is the direction Gnome is going, I'll be switching to Xfce or Lxde
[15:52] <bjsnider> kde...driving people to drink for over 10 years
[15:52] <cryptk> KM0201, I think that is a PEBKAC issue
[15:52] <ali12341> do you want a desktop that's pretty but limited, or functional but ugly? choose your poison...
[15:52] <arand> KM0201: PPA?
[15:52] <KM0201> cryptk, negative.. kept locking up.
[15:52] <KM0201> arand, thats the only way to get it isn't it?
[15:52] <cryptk> locking up != trashed
[15:52] <BluesKaj> KM0201, right , I looked at Unity ..nice "look" ...being an old windows guy I still like the kde "look" for my main computer ")\
[15:52] <arand> Yes, but still...
[15:52] <cryptk> and locking up doesn't exclude PEBKAC
[15:53] <KM0201> cryptk, well, when i log in, and the machine just stops...lol (well except for once, but it froze as soon as i started the browser)... i'd say it excludes pebkac
[15:53] <arand> KM0201: It is likely down to crappy/complicated packaging. So I would not judge gnome3 on it
[15:53] <KM0201> arand, i'll give you that...
[15:53] <AaronCampbell> lcb: the net result for the first set of commands what 0 upgraded 0 installed 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[15:54] <arand> If you run F15 or Osuse, then that's some basis for judgement I guess..
[15:54] <cryptk> yep, it isn't necessarially YOU who committed the PEBKAC... but gnome3 as a whole has been great to me, every issue I have had I have been able to directly attribute to the PPA
[15:54] <delac> hey, how to make usb sticks automount? so that the show in launcher at insertion.
[15:54] <lcb> AaronCampbell, good. it's just to play on the safe side
[15:55] <KM0201> delac, they don't already?... i just plugged in my USB drive, and it done exactly that, auto mounted, and showed up in the launcher.
[15:55] <delac> KM0201: hmmmmm.....
[15:55] <lcb> AaronCampbell, if that doesn't work go to 'Additional Drivers' and remove the display ones, until 11.04 final release is out
[15:55] <lcb> AaronCampbell, and repeat the process, btw
[15:56] <bjsnider> delac, check what dmesg says when you plug the jump drive in
[15:56] <thewall> I like the colourful bubbly look, so gnome for me ;)
[15:57] <lcb> time for a coffee and some sun
[15:57] <delac> bjsnider: the stick will show in the nautilus menu, but it is not automatically mounted. the dmesg just states that
[15:57] <AaronCampbell> lcb: in the "failsafeX" you want me to choose "Reconfigure Graphics"?
[15:57] <lcb> AaronCampbell, yes, then select default configuration
[15:58]  * cryptk loves his cloudkick
[15:59] <lcb> AaronCampbell, i have to leave. just follow my suggestions to see if works. don't forget the last one, .. removing the proprietary driver for graphivs in case still doesn't work
[15:59] <delac> ok, should i enable /apps/nautilus/preferences/media_automount or /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/automount_media?
[15:59] <AaronCampbell> lcb: Thanks.  Not sure where to do that, but I'll find it if this first thing doesn't work
[15:59] <lcb> graphivs = graphics (in TypEnglish)
[16:00]  * cryptk loves this thing... https://www.cloudkick.com/viz/nasadmin/
[16:00] <lcb> AaronCampbell, on classic desktop, Preferences then Additional Drivers. On unity on Applicatios | Themes & Tweaks
[16:01] <cryptk> most awesome server stat visualization ever
[16:01] <AaronCampbell> lcb: Thanks because it's still not working.  Still mouse and ctrl+alt+f_ works
[16:02] <AaronCampbell> On Unity everything LOOKS like it should work, but nothing can be clicked, etc.  On Classic the bottom and top bars don't load but the desktop and icons do...nothing can be clicked.
[16:02] <lcb> AaronCampbell,  :( reboot after any changes, don't forget. keep trying. Xorg do not accept some old hardware, so i don't know if it's your case.
[16:02] <delac> I gues it is the nautilus one. what is this volume-manager anyway? there doesnt seem to be one in maveric.
[16:03] <lcb> AaronCampbell, change to another mouse. i had some issue where that worked
[16:03] <AaronCampbell> lcb: Laptop == built in trackpad
[16:04] <lcb> ahhh
[16:04] <lcb> attach a mouse
[16:04] <lcb> have to leave, cya
[16:04] <BluesKaj> I don't understand what's so ugly about kde , I prefer an uncluttered desktop, http://imagebin.org/148542
[16:05] <ceed^> I have two laptops, on with nvidia graphics and one with intel. Why does the boot screens look much better on the Intel one than the nvidia one? The U logo never even shows on the nvidia one, it's just s serier of flashing screens with some dots on it.
[16:05] <thewall> v nice
[16:06] <ceed^> BluesKaj, I do not think KDE i ugly, but it always seems more unstable to me. I've tried all version and there's always something that not working right.
[16:07] <eQuale> hello. pls where do i find and activate libreoffice quickstart? i have kubuntu natty installed out of the box, and 1. it works perfectly except 2. libreoffice, which starts agelong and 3. option to turn on quickstarter is not there in memory settings
[16:07] <drc> AaronCampbell: Are you trying to "click" by tapping the touchpad, if so check to see that "tapping" is enabled in your mouse configuration.
[16:07] <bjsnider> ceed^, because the nvidia driver has no kms support. if you used the nouveau driver the boot screens would look the same
[16:07] <eQuale> BluesKaj: moin :)
[16:08] <ceed^> bjsnider, how does the nouveau driver compate to the non-free one?
[16:08] <KM0201> BluesKaj, i consider kde hideous
[16:08] <ceed^> *compare
[16:08] <BluesKaj> ceed^, yeah, right now it's the network manager /wifi , altho i use ethernet , the kde wifi is not workable with chips other than atheros it seems
[16:09] <ceed^> BluesKaj, There was a time I liked to fix broken stuff, but now Linux is my work platform. It has to work, and it has to work right now. Gnome has been good in that way. We'll see how Unity fares in this regard! :)
[16:10] <bjsnider> ceed^, it has no immediate or stable opengl support which means no compositing, no unity, no 3d etc. but you can add the libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental package to see if those features work on your hardware and don't lock it up
[16:10] <cryptk> BluesKaj, this is un-cluttered http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb50/crypt1029/Screenshot.png
[16:10] <thewall> thats weird, i've just put the ppa in my update manager but it isn't picking gnome3 up?
[16:10] <cryptk> thewall, did you reload packages?
[16:11] <thewall> yep sure did
[16:11] <bjsnider> thewall, if you're going to try gnome3, you'd better be aware that switching back to unity or classic gnome afterwards has proven to be unsuccessful for some
[16:11] <ceed^> bjsnider, guess I'll live with it then. I seem to remember there was a fix for tis for Linux mint using the framebuffer to render the boot screens. Wonder if there's such a solution for Ubuntu?
[16:11] <bjsnider> oh who cares about the boot screen?
[16:11] <BluesKaj> ceed^, kde has always been a challenge , I'm in a home environment so no pressure , but i understand your situation and the need for a workable setup
[16:11] <bjsnider> i mean really, it's over in a few seconds
[16:12] <delac> thewall: select only the gnome3 ppa. your indexer might not have done its job yet
[16:12] <thewall> ooer
[16:12] <AaronCampbell> There was in fact an "Additional Driver" It's an NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver
[16:12] <cryptk> wait... there is a boot screen with a logo? lol
[16:12] <cryptk> I never see it
[16:12] <thewall> ok, will deselect the rest and try that
[16:12] <delac> thewall: no
[16:12] <delac> thewall: did not mean that
[16:12] <cryptk> my comp starts... BIOS... Raid Controller... Grub... Login window....
[16:12] <delac> thewall: I meant in synaptic
[16:13] <cryptk> I never get to see all the plymouth fanciness, lol
[16:13] <thewall> ooer...opps my bad :(
[16:13] <delac> thewall: look packages that are in gnome3 ppa
[16:13] <delac> thewall: dont use  the search
[16:13] <BluesKaj> cryptk, ok , not my taste , but I'll agree
[16:13] <delac> thewall: the quicksearch
[16:13] <delac> thewall: normal search should find the gnome3
[16:13] <bjsnider> cryptk, some peopleonly want to see the boot screen. they don't care what happens afterwards i guess
[16:13] <thewall> oh right, I see, I did use quicksearch
[16:14] <cryptk> BluesKaj, that's stock Gnome3 and conky
[16:14] <eQuale> folks, could you pls advise me how to speed up the hangy start of libreoffice and/or enable the quickstarter?
[16:14] <cryptk> bjsnider, I never see it... mine go's from grub to login screen in about a second
[16:14] <bjsnider> goes
[16:14] <cryptk> meh, whatever
[16:14] <thewall> u have libreoffice in natty, working?
[16:15] <eQuale> yep, just starts for about a minute
[16:15] <BluesKaj> cryptk, the desktop wallpaper was taken 15mi from my location.
[16:15] <cryptk> nice!
[16:15] <thewall> I read that it was not ready for release in natty yet?
[16:15] <delac> I gues it's libreoffice. haven't looked at it much
[16:16] <KM0201> is anyone else having trouble out of ubuntus' imagebin?.. it shows the image for like 5sec, then it goes away
[16:16] <eQuale> and I cannot help it on my own, and I actually don't have the option to enable quickstarter
[16:16] <delac> thewall: they are libre
[16:17] <BluesKaj> KM0201, if it was my url , the pic is 2mib , probly too large to load
[16:17] <thewall> I see, was a little concerned thats all
[16:17] <eQuale> any ideas?
[16:17] <KM0201> BluesKaj, well, mine is only 698k, and it's been doing that the last few days to me
[16:17] <eQuale> what is the package for quickstarter?
[16:17] <KM0201> http://imagebin.org/148543
[16:17] <BluesKaj> KM0201, ok
[16:18] <KM0201> hmm, reloading the page seems to have fixed it.
[16:18] <delac> thewall: concerned about what?
[16:18] <bjsnider> concerned about libreoffice
[16:19] <thewall> that libre was supposed to be coming out in natty as oppsed to openoffice?
[16:19] <thewall> or I am wrong?
[16:19] <bjsnider> his frantic probing makes it seem as if, to him, it's a life or death issue
[16:19] <bjsnider> libreoffice is already in natty,, and it works
[16:19] <cryptk> yes, libre in natty
[16:19] <cryptk> it is in there, it runs, it works
[16:19] <thewall> than why is mine openoffice?
[16:19] <bjsnider> cryptk, repeat it again
[16:20] <cryptk> it is in there, it runs, it works?
[16:20] <BluesKaj> I wish ppl wouldn't use the flash based pastebin page cuz I can't read the fonts on my 42" monitor , they won't zoom
[16:20] <delac> thewall: ?
[16:20] <BluesKaj> KM0201, nice desktop btw :)
[16:20] <thewall> I'm on natty but I have openoffice, I guess this is also libre?
[16:20] <eQuale> vjsnider, cryptk > do you have quickstarter accessible?
[16:20] <cryptk> yes
[16:21] <KM0201> BluesKaj, pretty default, i've not messed w/ it to much..lol
[16:21] <eQuale> where is it?
[16:21] <cryptk> I don't use it, but I can turn it on...
[16:21] <cryptk> it is in the options
[16:21] <BluesKaj> KM0201, that's unity?
[16:21] <delac> thewall: all the icons should say libreoffice
[16:21] <eQuale> cryptk: where exactly?
[16:21] <cryptk> Tools > Options > Memory > checkbox at bottom
[16:21] <delac> thewall: and the themeing should be more "libre"
[16:21] <cryptk> I don't see the big deal about quickstarter...
[16:21] <thewall> sorry to disappoint but they are openoffice icons
[16:22] <KM0201> BluesKaj, affirmative
[16:22] <eQuale> f**k, I have no such option
[16:22] <delac> thewall: did you do fresh install or upgrade?
[16:22] <thewall> upgrade
[16:22] <cryptk> thewall, perhaps because your openoffice pachages were not marked as automatically isntalled
[16:22] <eQuale> which package relates to it?
[16:22] <delac> thewall: well that might explain it
[16:23] <cryptk> open up libre office writer
[16:23] <thewall> hehe...yer I guess :)
[16:23] <cryptk> then go there in libre office writer
[16:23] <AaronCampbell> So in order to get things working on my Dell Laptop I had to disable an "Additional Driver" called "NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver".  Now I can use classic mode but not unity.  Is there an expectation that the driver will eventually work and I'll be able to use Unity?
[16:23] <bjsnider> AaronCampbell, it already does work
[16:23] <AaronCampbell> Or am I stuck with classic (which honestly doesn't bother me...I'm obviously used to it)
[16:24] <bjsnider> it has worked for several weeks and continues to work
[16:25] <AaronCampbell> bjsnider: I had it working with 10.10 but when I upgraded it made it so on Unity everything LOOKED like it should work, but nothing can be clicked, etc.  On Classic the bottom and top bars didn't load but the desktop and icons did...nothing could be clicked.
[16:25] <AaronCampbell> bjsnider: Removing that driver fixed the issues for me
[16:25] <thewall> would I need to remove openoffice in order to install libre?
[16:25] <bjsnider> that's a kick in the pants
[16:25] <delac> thewall: yes, the openoffice seems to be still in the repos, so upgraders will apparently keep it and fresh installs will get the libre
[16:25] <AaronCampbell> bjsnider: Should I try to re-install it?  Or is my slightly older Dell Laptop and edge case that it no longer supports
[16:26] <eQuale> cryptk: no such option :-\
[16:26] <delac> thewall: not sure if you need to uninstall it though
[16:26] <eQuale> anybody knows which package installs quickstarter?
[16:26] <thewall> right, np.
[16:26] <AaronCampbell> delac: When I upgraded from 10.10 to 11.04 it removed open office and installed libre
[16:27] <thewall> really? how interesting...
[16:27] <delac> AaronCampbell: oh, so it does it randomly then :)
[16:27] <bjsnider> AaronCampbell, did you try adding gallium to nouveau so you could test unity?
[16:27] <itguru> I have a dell inspiron duo - and when the screen is locked, if I remove the power, the system crashes. I'm running natty, and wondering how do I file a bug while something is still beta? I've been able to recreate it, and I'm on the verge of a reinstall to confirm that I havn't fubar'd something
[16:27] <drc> AaronCampbell: What is your nvidia card...the nvidia driver worked flawlessly on my nvidia 8400m gs
[16:30] <AaronCampbell> GeForce Go 7400
[16:30] <AaronCampbell> bjsnider: Not sure I know what gallium or nouveau is, so no
[16:31] <ceed^> bjsnider, do you think this would work on Ubuntu (natty)? http://bit.ly/hjB9kv
[16:31] <bjsnider> AaronCampbell, you can install the libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental package, and reboot. that would give you the ability to do compositing and opengl with your current graphics driver. you could then test unity
[16:32] <bjsnider> however, it might not work, it might work for awhile and then lock up your gpu, or it might explode killing you and everyone you know
[16:32] <KM0201> woo hoo.. i finally replicated the walking window bug!.. i don't feel left out anymore
[16:32] <AaronCampbell> bjsnider: awesome.  Sounds like a blast
[16:32] <bjsnider> ceed^, i do not care. i don't care.
[16:35] <itguru> Anyone have a dell inspiron duo running 11.04 - I would like to see if someone can replicate a crash I seem to be having?
[16:36] <ceed^> bjsnider, thanks anyway
[16:40] <itguru> Basically, if the screen is locked, and I remove the power cable, it crashes - I'd like someone to replicate it, so at least I can see that it's not me fubaring my install, and then I can report my first bug :)
[16:42] <KM0201> itguru, ok, so lock screen, and remove power?
[16:42] <KM0201> power cord, that is
[16:42] <KM0201> i'll try ti.
[16:43] <itguru> KM0201: yes :)
[16:43] <KM0201> itguru, worked fine for me
[16:43] <KM0201> unplugged, logged back in no problem
[16:43]  * itguru thinks if KM0201: goes offline suddenly, then it's a bug!
[16:43] <itguru> Darn!
[16:43] <KM0201> itguru, you're hit!
[16:43] <KM0201> lol
[16:44] <hardcold_> Hello
[16:44] <itguru> KM0201: thanks for the test. there must be something that's not stock on my install
[16:44] <hardcold_> http://www.pfhorums.com/index.php?showtopic=5754
[16:44] <KM0201> hardcold_, you're gonna get the same answer, you follow the same instructions to compile source code, whether you're using 11.04 or 10.10
[16:44] <hardcold_> I was just told to come ask here
[16:44] <hardcold_> ...
[16:44]  * BluesKaj forgets how many ppl are laptop users
[16:45] <KM0201> BluesKaj, you have to compile it from source.. that really doesn't matter which distro you're using
[16:45] <KM0201> oops
[16:45] <KM0201> hardcold_, see above
[16:45] <KM0201> the same rules apply
[16:45] <KM0201> the instructions on that site appear fairly clear, what is the problem?
[16:46] <hardcold_> the 2nd step doesn't work
[16:47] <KM0201> hardcold_, the cut/paste?
[16:47] <KM0201> most likely thats because those packages have different names in 11.04, you're goin to have to track them down... easiest way to do that, is search them in the package manager
[16:48] <BluesKaj> BBL..
[16:48] <hardcold_> says the guy who said it would be exactly the same in 11.04
[16:49] <hardcold_> ^_-
[16:49] <KM0201> hardcold_, says the gy who can't listen.. the instructions are the same.. i can't predict package names changing...
[16:50] <KM0201> i can't help it if you'r enot smart enough to think "hey, those package names may not be in my distro, so i'll have to modify that"
[16:50] <itguru> KM0201: I'm going to try it again, this think has been locking up on me all week, and I thought I tracked it down!
[16:50] <KM0201> itguru, very strange.. it obviously wasn't an issue for me.
[16:50] <coz_> hardcold_,  this is a game?
[16:50] <hardcold_> It seems with all the people who have not heard of Marathon, and given how simple this is supposed to be to install, they would install it out of curiosity
[16:50] <KM0201> it behaved exactly as i suspected it would.
[16:51] <hardcold_> Yes, coz, it's a game.
[16:51] <KM0201> why would i install something out of "curiosity" that i hve no use for?
[16:51] <ali12341> what is marathon?
[16:51] <coz_> hardcold_,  this system isnt 11.04  but I can try to compile it..however I am compiling another application at the moment
[16:51] <ali12341> now i am curious
[16:51] <KM0201> remember:  Curiosity Broke the Linux Beta OS
[16:52] <hardcold_> maybe you like having fun sometimes?
[16:52] <KM0201> or something like that
[16:52] <ali12341> wait, are you talking about the crappy FPS made by the people who made halo?
[16:52] <KM0201> hardcold_, that has nothing to do w/ curiosity, and maybe your idea of fun, is not mine.. i have fun on my cojmputer, and never need "marathon".. whatever that is
[16:52] <hardcold_> never "need"?
[16:52] <hardcold_> So you are Asian
[16:52] <KM0201> oh geez
[16:53] <KM0201> i'm probably the whitest guy here
[16:53] <hardcold_> ah well
[16:53] <KM0201> , time to ignore,
[16:53] <coz_> hardcold_,  i am beginning the compile now
[16:53] <KM0201> it should compile fairly easy, if you ahve the proper packages to install
[16:54] <itguru> KM0201: Is it clean out the box for you? That is the touch screen and such, because then I may be working on a dodgy install trying to fix these things
[16:54] <coz_> hardcold_,  out of curiosity ,, what compile errors are you getting?
[16:54] <KM0201> itguru, i don't have a touch screen... so obviously, can't test that.. .but i've had this instlal about 4 days
[16:54] <hardcold_> I pasted them before
[16:54] <hardcold_> But, I can't get that far now
[16:55] <KM0201> coz_, he's not getting t the compile phase i don't think, he can't install that list of packages, if i understand him correctly
[16:55] <hardcold_> I've just been starting from scratch each time
[16:55] <hardcold_> to produce an error
[16:55] <hardcold_> and then get bounced around
[16:55] <itguru> KM0201: Do you have a dell inspiron duo, with the tablet flip screen?!
[16:55] <coz_> hardcold_,   in terminal  just run ,/configure  it should tell you what you need  ,, probably one at a time   ,,, one  is libsdl_net
[16:56] <hardcold_> ,/configure says "no such file or directory"
[16:56] <coz_> actually libsdl-net1.2  but that vesion may be different on natty ,, just open synaptic and check
[16:56] <coz_> hardcold_,  oooo
[16:56] <hardcold_> Please understand, this is the first day I have used linux
[16:56] <coz_> hardcold_,  ah
[16:57] <coz_> hardcold_,  ok where is the folder you downloaded for this game located?
[16:57] <hardcold_> I've just been pulling my hair out for 7 hours trying to install ONE program
[16:57] <KM0201> itguru, negative, i have an old acer aspire laptop
[16:57] <KM0201> hardcold_, if you're new... you really shouldn't be trying to compile software
[16:57] <SwedeMike> hardcold_: it's ./configure , not ,/configure
[16:57] <hardcold_> I placed the scenerio and the tar on the deskptop as Caitify's tutorial said
[16:58] <ali12341> hardcold_: why don't you just install one of the (much superior) FPS games from the repositories?
[16:58] <hardcold_> omg
[16:58] <coz_> hardcold_,  ok cd into the AlephOne   from the terminal ... then run ./configure
[17:01] <coz_> its compiling here
[17:01] <hardcold_> Okay!
[17:01] <hardcold_> I "cd'ed"
[17:01] <coz_>  ok
[17:01] <hardcold_> whatever the heck that is
[17:02] <coz_> hardcold_,   cd =  change diretory
[17:02] <hardcold_> I know have a dollar sign after the folder
[17:02] <hardcold_> *now
[17:02] <coz_> hardcold_,   now type ./configure
[17:02] <ikonia> hardcold_: what are you trying to install ?
[17:02] <hardcold_> oh baby she is singing!
[17:02] <coz_> hardcold_,  it will go through some strange stuff and most likely  spit out an error  or a needed package name
[17:02] <hardcold_> like magic!
[17:02] <wrefdsfds> hello+
[17:02] <wrefdsfds> hello
[17:03] <coz_> wrefdsfds,  hey
[17:03] <hardcold_> It's a nergasm
[17:03] <hardcold_> *nerdgasm
[17:03] <ikonia> hardcold_: what is it you're actually trying to install
[17:03] <hardcold_> okay, now I have to be REALLY careful
[17:03] <hardcold_> it says "configuration done. Now type "make"
[17:04] <coz_> ikonia,  I believe it is a game nemed  AlephOne
[17:04] <coz_> hardcold_,  then type make
[17:04] <ikonia> hardcold_: really easy, just tell us the name of the product you want to install
[17:04] <ikonia> hardcold_: don't type make
[17:04] <ikonia> hardcold_: running ./configure blindly is a very very bad idea
[17:04] <ali12341> doing anything blindly is a bad idea
[17:05] <ikonia> hardcold_: the install instructions are on edule | Maverick/1
[17:05] <ikonia> 17:02 < hardcold_> I know have a dollar sign after the folder
[17:05] <hardcold_> HD is grinding nicely now
[17:05] <ikonia> oops
[17:05] <wrefdsfds> hi
[17:05] <penguin42> does anyone else actually get an update notifier in unity?
[17:05] <ikonia> hardcold_: the install instructions are on http://marathon.sourceforge.net/ however I would strongly advice you not to run this on a ubuntu 11.04 install at this time
[17:05] <hardcold_> why?
[17:05] <ikonia> hardcold_: because 11.04 is unstable and may change, which may cause problems for your softwre
[17:06] <ali12341> ikonia: the instructions you link to say to do exactly what he's doing (except the 11.04 part)
[17:06] <ikonia> software
[17:06] <hardcold_> so I will need to recompile in the future
[17:06] <ikonia> ali12341: I appreciate that, I said stop before I'd managed to read them
[17:06] <ikonia> I still say you should not be running "configure" blidnly
[17:06] <ikonia> eg: where is the default --prefix path
[17:06] <coz_> hardcold_,  well yes if you are lucky ... as I said ,, this machine is not on natty at the moment
[17:07] <hardcold_> what machine?
[17:07] <hardcold_> Yours?
[17:07] <coz_> hardcold_,  my machine   yes
[17:07] <hardcold_> Well, when you decide to give it a try, I am the #1 host
[17:08] <itguru> KM0201: I think it's Dell Duo specific bug - I replicated it again
[17:08] <coz_>  I am not much of a gamer however,  a good solitaire  ,, reversi ..or something similar is fine for me :)
[17:08] <ikonia> what ?
[17:08] <ikonia> your the #1 host but you don't know how to build it ?
[17:08] <hardcold_> It was PORTED to Linux
[17:08] <KM0201> itguru, what bug is that?.. sorry been switching between channels.
[17:08] <ikonia> so ?
[17:08] <hardcold_> I run it on a MBP
[17:09] <hardcold_> I bought this computer to try Ubuntu
[17:09] <hardcold_> and the linux version
[17:09] <ikonia> hardcold_: if this is meant as a "service" I'd suggest using ubuntu 10.04
[17:09] <ikonia> the long term support/stability factor would be important
[17:09] <hardcold_> I wanted a small, lightweight, and cheap computer
[17:09] <IdleOne> hardcold_: if your current computer is dedicated to testing and you are comfortable with total data loss. go ahead and experiment.
[17:10] <hardcold_> EXACTLY
[17:10] <hardcold_> this is for experimenting
[17:10] <hardcold_> and learning
[17:10] <IdleOne> ok then, enjoy :)
[17:10] <hardcold_> 10.7 scares me
[17:10] <ikonia> ?
[17:10] <IdleOne> 10.7?
[17:10] <hardcold_> so, I feel it is time to start getting acquainted with ubuntu
[17:11] <KM0201> lol, thats the mysterious ubuntu that was never released
[17:11] <hardcold_> no
[17:11] <ikonia> ah mac os
[17:11] <hardcold_> that's the next version of OSX, which comes out this summer
[17:11] <IdleOne> ah
[17:12] <hardcold_> In short, the "appstore" concept taken to the desktop has some frightening possibilities
[17:12] <IdleOne> hardcold_: keep in mind though that you still want to be careful with what code you compile
[17:12] <ali12341> hardcold_: well you won't like ubuntu then, they're going the same way
[17:14] <hardcold_> Well, this is giving the Zacate a good workout
[17:14] <hardcold_> I'm afraid if I open the system monitor it will crash
[17:14] <ali12341> i wouldn't
[17:14] <ali12341> system monitor is ironically one of the most resource intensive applications on the desktop
[17:14] <hardcold_> okay
[17:14] <hardcold_> that stage is complete
[17:15] <ali12341> i doubt it will crash, it will double the compile time though
[17:15] <ikonia> I'd be surprised if this took longer than 60 seconds to compile
[17:15] <hardcold_> the compile is done
[17:15] <Dr_Willis> Now run it and run away! :) wait for the Kaboom!
[17:16] <hardcold_> where is coz?
[17:16] <ikonia> coz ?
[17:16] <hardcold_> I think there is another step
[17:16] <KM0201> ok, running to Wal Devil... talk to ya'll later
[17:16] <hardcold_> Yes, coz, the angel who answered my question and helped
[17:16] <ikonia> hardcold_: make install
[17:16] <ikonia> hardcold_: it's on the web page I gave you
[17:16] <ikonia> http://marathon.sourceforge.net/
[17:17] <hardcold_> coz?
[17:18] <ikonia> hardcold_: what's the question
[17:18] <hardcold_> coz_, you there?
[17:18] <coz_> hardcold_,  yes
[17:18] <hardcold_> the compile is done
[17:18] <hardcold_> should I just paste the last stage in?
[17:18] <ikonia> coz_: whoaaa, sorry
[17:18] <coz_> hardcold_,   what?  l ast stage?
[17:19] <coz_> ikonia,  about what?
[17:19] <ikonia> hardcold_: I've told you what to do
[17:19] <ikonia> hardcold_: I've given you the link which has the 3 lines you need to type
[17:19] <ikonia> hardcold_: have you read the page ?
[17:19] <ikonia> coz_: just kicked you by accident, my apologies
[17:19] <coz_> ikonia,  oh lol   been there  before :)
[17:19] <ikonia> coz_: fully my fault
[17:19] <hardcold_> what's the paste ubuntu thing?
[17:20] <ikonia> hardcold_: are you looking at the web page I gave you
[17:20] <hardcold_> the last cd ~/Desktop thing in the post
[17:20] <ikonia> hardcold_: are you looking at the web page I gave you
[17:20] <ali12341> !paste
[17:20] <bjsnider> ikonia, are you frustrated by this yet or?
[17:20] <ikonia> pretty insulted
[17:21] <hardcold_> okay
[17:21] <hardcold_> put it in the paste bin
[17:21] <ikonia> why ?
[17:21] <hardcold_> that is the last step listed coz_
[17:22] <ikonia> is there a reason you are not following the 3 lines you need to type on the web page with official install instructions
[17:22] <coz_> hardcold_,  did you follow ikonia 's  suggestions?
[17:22] <hardcold_> No, I have not talked to ikonia
[17:22] <ali12341> ikonia: probably because only 1/3 of them is an actual command that you can type
[17:22] <ikonia> ali12341: it does all 3 steps as 1 command....bonus
[17:22] <ikonia> I find it pretty insulting to not even look at the webpage with the official install instructions on
[17:22] <hardcold_> He has been trying to screw me up the whole time
[17:23] <coz_> kicked myself that time
[17:23] <ikonia> hardcold_: no I have not,
[17:23] <bjsnider> ikonia, why are you bothering
[17:23] <coz_> hardcold_,  I doubt he has been trying to screw things up ,,,honestly
[17:23] <hardcold_> just read back
[17:23] <hardcold_> and see what he did
[17:23] <coz_> hardcold_,  people here are serious about not only using and running linux but helping people
[17:23] <ikonia> pointing you at the OFFICIAL install insturctions
[17:23] <ikonia> how is that trying to screw you up
[17:23] <drc> me has decided not to play any game that hardcold_ is the #1 server
[17:24] <hardcold_> most recently he keeps referring to the site I got the files from
[17:24] <hardcold_> where I started this whole thing
[17:24] <ikonia> hardcold_: it has the INSTALL instructions on the front page
[17:24] <hardcold_> by asking what to do with that text
[17:24] <ikonia> it's one line with 3 commands on it
[17:24] <hardcold_> Yes, Ikonia
[17:24] <ikonia> that is "helping" you - giving you the correct install instructions
[17:24] <ikonia> not trying to screw you over
[17:24] <hardcold_> that is what I was asking an hour ago
[17:24] <ikonia> so what is the problem using that 1 line
[17:24] <hardcold_> anyway
[17:24] <hardcold_> so
[17:25] <ali12341> ikonia: it fails because of missing dependencies
[17:25] <hardcold_> coz_
[17:25] <ikonia> ali12341: then, that's all that has to be said "it doesn't work"
[17:25] <hardcold_> do I enter the final chunk from the tutorial?
[17:25] <ali12341> ikonia: it was said several times before you even joined in this mess
[17:25] <coz_> ok the game is not working here  at all   even thought it compiled and installed correctly ,,,,  looking for way
[17:25] <ikonia> ali12341: then it wouldn't be a problem to just state that so I don't keep repeating the same advice
[17:25] <coz_> why
[17:26] <hardcold_> so I should just hold?
[17:26] <ali12341> hardcold_: you sure picked a good first project for linux
[17:26] <ikonia> it just compiled and run for me
[17:26] <ikonia> no problem,
[17:26] <hardcold_> stepping out for a smoke
[17:26] <ikonia> it starts a daemon server
[17:28] <ali12341> wait don;t you need the separate game data to run it?
[17:28] <kevin__> Has anyone sucessfully got the application dropbox to work in ubuntu 11.04 beta 2? It seems to have installed correctly but I can not acess from unity toolbar or system tray.
[17:28] <ikonia> ali12341: yes
[17:28] <ikonia> ali12341: it will complain no data files found without them
[17:28] <wrefdsfds> hi
[17:28] <coz_> ah that's my problem..no game data files  duh
[17:28] <wrefdsfds> help
[17:28] <eQuale> dammit, still no quickstarter
[17:28] <ikonia> wrefdsfds: ask a question,
[17:28] <wrefdsfds> ok
[17:28] <eQuale> and actually, if I kill the splash screen, it starts within 20 seconds
[17:29] <eQuale> but still, anybody knows which package installs LO Quickstarter ?!
[17:31] <hardcold_> back
[17:32] <hardcold_> so, the app is compiled, my terminal is pointed at the alephone folder...
[17:32] <reagle> does anyone know what package pmi (suspend) is in, that's what i used to use in my scripts to suspend
[17:33] <kevin__> I just wanted to say that my Ubuntu 11.04 has been working well with some minor bugs and thank you everyone for making a great release.
[17:33] <reagle> ah powermanagement-interface
[17:33] <hardcold_> my eyes are burning
[17:34] <hardcold_> I've been up for 33 hours now
[17:35] <kroson> kevin__: enjoying unity? :)
[17:35] <hardcold_> okay, I am just going to past the last step then
[17:35] <hardcold_> ...
[17:35] <coz_> hardcold_,  well... no sleep is not going to help the situation for sure,,,,
[17:35] <coz_> I have to break here ,,  lunch time
[17:37] <roasted> whats up guys
[17:37] <kevin__> hello
[17:37] <roasted> just installed 11.04... I'm running dual screen but it defaults my unity bar on the far left. However, I want it on my right (main) monitor. Is that possible?
[17:38] <kevin__> yes I am enjoying unity very much :)
[17:38] <roasted> are you dual screening?
[17:39] <carli2> hi
[17:39] <Dr_Willis> Im not sure you can move the unity bar at all.
[17:40] <roasted> well
[17:40] <roasted> thats stupid
[17:40] <carli2> i have one thing to note at natty/ubuntu: when i click on a symbol, i dont see if i really clicked on it. so sometimes i start a program twice or dont know what happened. so please place there a visual signal when i clicked on a symbol
[17:40] <roasted> I hope it's available in the official release
[17:40] <roasted> because that's just... bad
[17:42] <eQuale> Dr_Willis: sir, do you eventually know, how can I have a LibreOfice Quickstart installed in Natty?
[17:43] <hardcold_> starts pretty quick for me
[17:44] <roasted> haaa. I got a little curious and just disabled the unity plugin in compiz
[17:44] <roasted> dont do that ;)
[17:45] <hardcold_> hmm
[17:46] <hardcold_> there is no alephone in my local share
[17:46] <hardcold_> I can't manually create a folder there
[17:46] <hardcold_> because it says I don't have permission to
[17:46] <hardcold_> I suppose there is a way to log in as root
[17:52] <roasted> ew
[17:52] <roasted> are they really keeping purple on the terminal window
[17:52] <slestak> anyone installed beta2 and preserved their ~ from another gnome distro?
[17:52] <slestak> i did that this am and the resulting natty is not functional
[17:55] <hardcold_> haha!
[17:55] <hardcold_> I just created the folder!
[17:56] <hardcold_> Ubuntu is my biXXX
[17:56] <hardcold_> Part of my interest in Ubuntu is forcing myself to gain a better understanding of the underpinnings of OSX
[17:57] <roasted> haa, OSX
[17:57] <roasted> gotta say... I havent missed it since my macbook died
[18:01] <hardcold_> IT WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[18:01] <bhavesh> ubuntu 11.04 beta boots up even slower
[18:01] <bhavesh> it booted in 29 seconds
[18:02] <hardcold_> I just forced the computer to create the folder, then pasted various chunks over and over
[18:02] <hardcold_> and it works
[18:02] <bhavesh> or 32 I guess, whats the reson behind this? becoz its a BETA?
[18:02] <bhavesh> or will it always boot this slower... forever?
[18:04] <BUGabundo> slow??
[18:04] <BUGabundo> that's really fast
[18:04] <bhavesh> there is no option to customize (reduce its size) the sidebar
[18:04] <bhavesh> no its not fast
[18:04] <BUGabundo> on HDD I used to have 1:40
[18:04] <bhavesh> ubuntu 10.10 used to boot in 20 secs
[18:04] <BUGabundo> on SSD I went to 19 sec
[18:04] <BUGabundo> then it upped a bit
[18:05] <BUGabundo> http://bootcharts.f.bugabundo.net/
[18:05] <bhavesh> Oo the photo is too small
[18:06] <BUGabundo> click to zoom
[18:06] <BUGabundo> there's a full size on the right menu
[18:06] <bhavesh> ok
[18:06] <BUGabundo> http://s3.amazonaws.com/img.ourdoings.com/fj/kj/3ukj8g.png
[18:07] <BUGabundo> refresh to see of the newer
[18:07] <BUGabundo> still uploading
[18:08] <bhavesh> ok well some guy said there is something terribly wrong with my partitions : http://paste.ubuntu.com/594737/
[18:09] <BUGabundo> 24 sec here
[18:09] <bhavesh> good
[18:09] <BUGabundo> LOL
[18:09] <BUGabundo> you have paritions
[18:09] <BUGabundo> there's your problem :P
[18:09] <bhavesh> well this is a place to discuss only 11.04 stuff
[18:09] <bhavesh> coming back to the point
[18:09] <IdleOne> for starters you don't need 4 swap partitions
[18:09] <BUGabundo> why 4 swaps?
[18:10] <bhavesh> is there some way to customize 11.04 sidebar..?
[18:10] <IdleOne> only need 1
[18:10] <BUGabundo> I have ZERO
[18:10] <bhavesh> so I need to reduce my swap points
[18:10] <bhavesh> wont it be slow then?
[18:10] <BUGabundo> IdleOne: you "don't" need one
[18:10] <IdleOne> you only need 1 if you want a swap
[18:10] <BUGabundo> I have 4GBs of RAM
[18:10] <bhavesh> without swap wont my linux be slow?
[18:10] <BUGabundo> usually is enough
[18:10] <IdleOne> but yeah you don't "need" swap
[18:10] <bhavesh> I have 2
[18:10] <BUGabundo> unless I have a mem leak
[18:10] <BUGabundo> or want to hibernate
[18:10] <bhavesh> 2Gb of swap..
[18:10] <bhavesh> 2GB of RAM*
[18:11] <BUGabundo> plus SWAP on SSD is a big no no
[18:11] <BUGabundo> 2GB is starting to be little
[18:11] <bhavesh> ill unswap it later..
[18:12] <bhavesh> I need to reduce the size of my sidebar.... any way?
[18:13] <trism> bhavesh: in ccsm you can shrink the icons a bit in the unity plugin (down to 32 px)
[18:13] <bhavesh> ok ty
[18:23] <IdleOne> hardcold_: Please try and keep off topic comments out of #ubuntu and since you are using natty you should be talking in here as natty is still not officially supported in #ubuntu
[18:26] <slestak> i have a beta2 install that is not going well.
[18:27] <slestak> not my first install, I am a long time user.
[18:28] <itguru> Any Dell Inspiron Duo users in here getting more love from Natty than I am?! :)
[18:29] <slestak> i think i need to check my install media.  I have formatted both partitions I want to use and I am getting an error at the same point repeatedly
[18:29] <slestak> i am checkign syslog to try to get the error message
[18:29] <lcb> that's a good move
[18:29] <slestak> itguru: I am using an inspiron 1525, when you say Duo, do yu mean a Core 2 Duo?
[18:30] <slestak> lcb: i have seen the message 3-4 times in the last 15 minutes so I thought for sure I would remember it long enough to  get here :)
[18:30] <lcb> what type of error, slestak
[18:31] <topaz1> hello
[18:32] <topaz1> i am having random system freeze after upgrading to beta2 , total desltop freez
[18:32] <topaz1> desktop
[18:33] <slestak> ubiquity crash, gives me 3 options, to try again (with stern warning), continue, or abort.  I see a python traceback in syslog but it does not give much detail
[18:33] <slestak> topaz1: i saw that also on my first beta2 install this am.  it has just gotten flakier since then when I tried to reinstall
[18:34] <topaz1> are u using a ati gpu hardware
[18:34] <slestak> no,l nvidia
[18:35] <slestak> lcb: i am going to do a cold reboot.  my last attempt was a warm reboot
[18:35] <lcb> slacker_nl, is that on a virtual machine?
[18:35] <slestak> want me to pastebin this syslog output?
[18:35] <slestak> with vm's at my ubuntu loco meeting, had to use 2d unity
[18:36] <slestak> 3d accel unity was a nogo
[18:36] <lcb> slacker_nl,  there are several "bug" entries on launchpad regarding +/- that issue
[18:37] <itguru> slestak: No, i mean the awesome flip screen tablet :)
[18:37] <topaz1> unity/compiz is still flaky
[18:39] <slestak> lcb: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/372901/
[18:39] <bhavesh> I went to dinner and kept my ubuntu 11.04 on sleep when i returned I saw something is wrong with my sidebar and top bar http://i.imgur.com/7CVm2.png
[18:39] <bhavesh> they both are swizzled
[18:39] <bhavesh> nothing can be seen on it..
[18:39] <slestak> at 13:25:18, its having trouble mounting /target
[18:39] <bhavesh> and its still this..
[18:40] <lcb> "WARNING: Unable to find users: no seat-id found", slestak ?
[18:40] <slestak> above that
[18:40] <bhavesh> is it a bug? should I report it?
[18:40] <slestak> Apr 16 13:25:18 ubuntu ubiquity: umount: /target: device is busy.
[18:40] <lcb> ya, i see, but that one is not good
[18:41] <bhavesh> what happened?
[18:41] <slestak> i formatted the two partitions i want to use, because this is my 3rd install this am
[18:41] <slestak> so they should be empty and ready for use.
[18:42] <lcb> bug 710612
[18:43] <slestak> i am installing 32bit media
[18:43] <lcb> i see
[18:43] <slestak> i dont that is my issue.  i didnt get to Who Are You prompt.
[18:44] <slestak> at timestamp 149.917615 we canm see both ext4 fs are mounted ok
[18:44] <slestak> lcb: also, ty for discussing this w me.
[18:45] <slestak> ubiquity: debconf: DbDriver "targetdb": could not open /target/var/cache/debconf/config.dat
[18:45] <lcb> slestak, i'm looking at the bug repp/s
[18:45] <slestak> me too
[18:45] <slestak> googling
[18:46] <topaz1> also does any have this issue to when you logout and they to log in again you just get a blank desktop
[18:48] <ikonia> away
[18:48] <ikonia> oops
[18:49] <goruka> hi guys, I installed beta, and when i try to login, no matter if it's "ubuntu" or "ubuntu classic" it just says "failed to login", and prompts me to log out
[18:49] <goruka> any idea what can I do about it?
[18:49] <slestak> you can choose recovery mode in grub
[18:49] <bluefox83> goruka: did you do an upgrade?
[18:50] <slestak> and get a root prompt, and reset the users password
[18:50] <PauseBazinga> Xubuntu question: Xfce 4.8 is supposed to have support for dual monitors but all I can seem to get is clone/mirror behavior.  I don't see any options to change to span/extend, is it hiding somewhere that I'm not looking?
[18:52] <goruka> bluefox83: yes, upgraded to last
[18:52] <bluefox83> goruka: when's the last time you upgraded again?
[18:52] <slestak> lcb: mine might be 757720
[18:52] <topaz1> try sudo apt-get distupgrade
[18:52] <goruka> bluefox83: now
[18:53] <goruka> i just did upgrade, and this is how i ended up
[18:53] <bluefox83> goruka: sounds like you might have a partial upgrade...did everything completely install?
[18:53] <goruka> slestak: I went to the shell and using irssi, but not sure what can i recover
[18:53] <topaz1> ctrl + alt + f1
[18:53] <topaz1> s2witch to tty1
[18:53] <topaz1> and then do sudo apt-get update
[18:53] <goruka> bluefox83: how do i check if anything failed to install?
[18:53] <lcb> slestak, is that the only OS in there? i wonder if is anything related to this (it's lucid, but... ) http://goo.gl/pxM0W
[18:54] <topaz1> and then upgrade
[18:54] <goruka> topaz1: ok let me try that
[18:54] <topaz1> can u reach some form of UI
[18:54] <bluefox83> goruka: or you can so sudo apt-get -f install
[18:54] <slestak> i didnt see error 141, but i do have a pretty complicated partition table.  installing / on sda3 (a primary part) and /home on /sda5
[18:54] <bluefox83> if anything failed to install, that will force it
[18:54] <slestak> lcb: i did have mint debian on here
[18:54] <slestak> and still have win7 on sda1
[18:55] <lcb> so check that last one, slestak , might help
[18:55] <topaz1> yeah try that to good idea
[18:55] <slestak> that is the error i am getting
[18:55] <lcb> yeap
[18:56] <Zaherux> how do I disable global menus?
[18:56] <slestak> so it appear the answer is to install grub in the mbr when dual or triple booting?
[18:56] <trism> Zaherux: sudo apt-get remove indicator-appmenu; then log out/back in
[18:56] <slestak> I think that is where I installed it
[18:56] <slestak> let me try again
[18:57] <slestak> brb
[18:57] <Zaherux> excellent
[18:57] <Zaherux> cheers
[18:57] <topaz1> ok may the force be with u
[18:57] <donniezazen> Does Unity show what workspace you are on?
[18:58] <bluefox83> donniezazen: nope :/
[18:59] <goruka> bluefox83: nothing to distupgrade, nothing to fix with apt-get -f install
[18:59] <coz_> donniezazen,  there is an experimental plugin for compiz named  "Workspacenames"  you may have to compile it but not sure how effective it is on Unity
[18:59] <Zaherux> they're still there :(
[19:00] <goruka> yet when i try to login, it says that it can't log in
[19:00] <goruka> and logs me out
[19:00] <bluefox83> goruka: sorry, don't know what to tell you then :/
[19:00] <topaz1> so how do u log in?
[19:00] <topaz1> #goruka
[19:00] <slestak> no joy
[19:00] <coz_> goruka,  is this a clean install or an upgrade from 10.10  ?
[19:00] <goruka> it says "failed to load session ubuntu"
[19:00] <goruka> coz_: upgrade from 10.10
[19:00] <lcb> slestak, sorry... "so it appear the answer is to install grub in the mbr when dual or triple booting?" yes
[19:00] <goruka> also says "failed to load session ubuntu classic"
[19:01] <slestak> the mbr is where it was installed and where partman is selected to install it
[19:01] <coz_> goruka,   when you get to the login screen,, hit  ctrl+alt+F1   log in there   then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:01] <goruka> topaz1: i just login from (i think gdm?) neither ubuntu or ubuntu classic work, they say "failed to load session"
[19:01] <trism> Zaherux: did you log out/back in? (just tested it again, working here)
[19:01] <goruka> coz_: i did that, it says i'm at the latest version
[19:01] <Zaherux> yeah
[19:01] <lcb> slestak, but in meanwhile you repartitioned, wasn't?
[19:02] <coz_> goruka,  you did the  dist-upgrade?
[19:02] <slestak> i didnt repartition, i reformatted
[19:02] <goruka> coz_: yeah, it says it's up to date
[19:02] <slestak> i have used this setup quite a while
[19:02] <coz_> goruka,    ok then from that same area do    sudo   restart gdm
[19:02] <Zaherux> Hmm, it asked me that some packages could be removed after it did it, but I said no. Might that have canceled the command?
[19:02] <coz_> goruka,  see if it describes the errors in more detail
[19:02] <lcb> slestak, the installation partition only, isn't?
[19:03] <topaz1> gdm
[19:03] <slestak> yes, both sda3 and sda5 wee reformatted.  grub2 is installed on /dev/sda MBR
[19:03] <trism> Zaherux: which packages did it want to remove? it should really only be removing indicator-appmenu (and yes saying no canceled it so indicator-appmenu is still installed)
[19:03] <lcb> slestak, i would run what you had before installing that natty.
[19:03] <goruka> coz_: also i just noticed that gdm says my user is currently logged in (but i didn't log in)
[19:03] <Zaherux> ahhhh
[19:03] <lcb> slestak, and check filesystems etc
[19:03] <Zaherux> quite a few
[19:03] <topaz1> how are u online?
[19:03] <Zaherux> mainly libmenu stuff
[19:03] <Zaherux> can I have the command again sorry?
[19:03] <slestak> what is interesting, is install one did not exhibit this problem, just non-functioning desktop
[19:04] <topaz1> u must be logged in in some enivonment?
[19:04] <trism> Zaherux: sudo apt-get remove indicator-appmenu;
[19:04] <slestak> it is only the reinstalls that are having this error
[19:04] <guntbert> !u | topaz1
[19:04] <slestak> maybe something cached in usb persistant storage?
[19:04] <coz_> goruka,  mm  I have seen this on natty several times,  I am not sure what the issue is... I would suggest,, especially for pre release  is a clean install  or virtual install
[19:04] <lcb> slestak, that partition change, with multiple OSes should be done b4 installing another OS, so the previous grub put things in the right place
[19:05] <goruka> coz_: it's like it thinks i'm already logged in, but i'm not (there's not any process i see running even that would evidence that i'm even running X)
[19:05] <topaz1> untiy compiz is gonna give a hard time to lotaa ppl once its out
[19:05] <topaz1> brb
[19:05] <topaz1> brb
[19:05] <coz_> goruka,   ok  hit ctrl+alt+F1  then type  startx
[19:05] <Zaherux> ohhh I see what it's done
[19:06] <Zaherux> I didnt read it correctly
[19:06] <slestak> whatever the case, with empty partitions, I should be able to install or reinstall at will
[19:06] <Zaherux> it's just detailing packages that arne't needed
[19:06] <Zaherux> okay it should be working now
[19:06] <lcb> slestak, whit completely empty storage media...
[19:06] <slestak> i disagree
[19:07] <goruka> coz_: a huge gray dialog that says something has gone wrong appeared, and asks me to log out
[19:07] <slestak> if the installer gives you choices, then it should use the choices.
[19:07] <lcb> slestak, well, it looks like what you get is from those partitions changes while installing this new OS
[19:07] <goruka> coz_: it takes up the whole screen and asks me to log out
[19:08] <slestak> isnt that why i am in the beta irc channel to report a problem installing +1?
[19:08] <slestak> this is not my first install or distro.
[19:08] <lcb> slestak, you could report a bug
[19:08] <coz_> goruka,  mm  try  gnome-session-save --kill
[19:08] <slestak> yes
[19:08] <usumu> hi guys, I have a wifi question: dose anyone of you experienced, after a reboot the wifi card can't find any networks for 10-15 minutes, then it works normally without doing anything to it...
[19:08] <slestak> thx.  need to run.  i'll touch base with loco later and file a bug
[19:09] <slestak> ty for your help, :)
[19:09] <slestak> usumu: daemon.log has all the logs for NetworkManager
[19:09] <lcb> !bugs
[19:09] <goruka> coz_: i don't seem to have gnome-session-save
[19:09] <slestak> you will see what it was doing (or trying to do ) for thise 15 minutes
[19:10] <coz_> goruka,  did you download the iso for natty or just did the upgrade from terminal ?
[19:10] <goruka> coz_: i just used update manager
[19:10] <lcb> slestak, good look buddy :)
[19:10] <usumu> iwlist scanning "uses" also network manager ?
[19:10] <lcb> slestak, i mean luck lol
[19:11] <coz_> goruka,   I may get slammed for this,,, however,, the most consistent element of upgradeing one version of ubuntu to another is that it is inconsistenet
[19:11] <ubuntuguy> How do I install virtualbox 4.04?
[19:11] <coz_> goruka,   I always suggest a clean install... especially for pre release versions
[19:11] <lcb> ubuntuguy, use synaptic, for example
[19:11] <ubuntuguy> Can you walk me through/
[19:11] <coz_> goruka,  do you have  things that must be backed up  on that system or can you clean install?
[19:12] <lcb> ubuntuguy, maybe on #ubuntu
[19:12] <ubuntuguy> ugh, they'll just tell me to come here
[19:12] <guntbert> ubuntuguy: why do you need a walk through?
[19:12] <lcb> ubuntuguy, that's because we love Ping Pong :p
[19:13] <ubuntuguy> Well, I don't really know package manager
[19:13] <guntbert> lcb: this is still a support channel, so pleae don't tease
[19:13] <guntbert> ubuntuguy: well, 1 question remains: why do you use a beta OS?
[19:14] <goruka> coz_: i'd really rather not clean install, can't i just erase away some config somewhere?
[19:14] <ubuntuguy> I know everything else, but package manager
[19:14] <coz_> goruka,   ooo,,, well... troubleshooting an upgrade is a real Pain... not sure which configs you might want to erase
[19:15] <lcb> ubuntuguy, use synaptic as i said or type in a terminal '$ sudo apt-get install virtualbox-ose' @ guntbert that was not teasing, in my line of education or IRC behaving
[19:16] <goruka> coz_: heh, i just moved away all configs in home and it didn't work
[19:16] <ubuntuguy> I already tried that command line
[19:16] <lcb> ubuntuguy, so what happened?
[19:16] <coz_> goruka,  yeah I suspected it wouldnt be that easy :)
[19:16] <ubuntuguy> I just didn't add ose to the end
[19:16] <ubuntuguy> seems to work now
[19:16] <ubuntuguy> WHat's ose?
[19:17] <coz_> ubuntuguy,  operating system embedded ?
[19:17] <ubuntuguy> Cool, thanks
[19:17] <lcb> ubuntuguy, that's the supported one from ubuntu. (in short words)
[19:18] <ubuntuguy> k
[19:18] <ubuntuguy> It's the most recent verison right?
[19:18] <lcb> yes
[19:19] <ubuntuguy> Thanks for the help man!
[19:19] <guntbert> ubuntuguy: if you need support for using virtual box: there is #vbox
[19:19] <trism> ubuntuguy: I think it is actually open source edition
[19:20] <ubuntuguy> Yeah, I just read on that
[19:20] <KipMacy> how do i set my default web browser?
[19:20] <PauseBazinga> answered the question I posted a minute ago, filing bug report.
[19:21] <lcb> KipMacy, 'Preferred Applications'
[19:21] <KipMacy> how do i get to that?
[19:21] <PauseBazinga> another question:  what package do I file a bug under if it's just a missing option on the "Display" gui that is available via command line?
[19:22] <usumu> how can i check the version of the network-manager ?
[19:22] <lcb> KipMacy, it's under the 'Any Key' :p Applications | Themes & Tweaks | preferrd ...
[19:22] <_|pegasus|_> hrhrhr
[19:23] <_|pegasus|_> i love that good old AnyKey-joke
[19:24] <lcb> :)
[19:25] <_|pegasus|_> he couldn't find it? *lol*
[19:26] <thevishy> how is natty ?
[19:26] <_|pegasus|_> Does anyone have an idea, why the launchbar won't keep the tvtime-icon in it? It keeps ebery icon, but the tvtime (while running - right-click - Keep in ...)
[19:26] <lcb> doing fine, on a weekend now, to relax
[19:26] <kroson> thevishy: always improving xD
[19:27] <thevishy> any speed improvement over lucid
[19:27] <_|pegasus|_> And if it keeps it - it doesn't run...
[19:27] <fatino> Hello, How to enable overclocking of nvidia graphic cards?
[19:27] <fatino> I know the Coolbits in xorg.conf method, but on natty there is no xorg.conf ^^
[19:28] <_|pegasus|_> fartino: Which game are you playing?
[19:28] <lcb> _|pegasus|_, do you get the icon on desktop?
[19:28] <fatino> Does it matter? CQB
[19:29] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: If i take the icon from the apps via drag and drop in it - its alright. Everything works. But then it has two icons from tvtime in it. I just wonder, cause that's not usual.
[19:29] <lcb> _|pegasus|_, search on the apps for tvtime, then drag it from there to the launchbar
[19:30] <lcb> yeap, that's one of the ways
[19:30] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: That's what i did - but have the whole time two icons of it.
[19:30] <kroson> thevishy: the speed improvements also depend on your hardware
[19:30] <thevishy> ok
[19:31] <fatino> So nobody knows how to overclock nvidia card on natty?
[19:31] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: Only wondering, cause it is the only app - and only since natty b2
[19:31] <lcb> remove one of the icons then
[19:32] <lcb> the one it's not working, as you said
[19:32] <lcb> _|pegasus|_,  if anything goes wrong you could $ unity --reset-icons
[19:32] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: That is, what i did. Now the following happens: The icon from the running tvtime - it blinks, but doesn't start.
[19:33] <lcb> look up !^
[19:33] <lcb> :)
[19:34] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: hmmm... no.
[19:34] <_|pegasus|_> then i keep 2 icons
[19:36] <lucas-arg> is anyone having problems with shutdown process?
[19:36] <fatino_> what kind of problems?
[19:37] <lucas-arg> well my laptop doesnt shutdown at all
[19:38] <lcb> _|pegasus|_,  you are confusing me.. let me read again since you came hEre
[19:39] <lcb> _|pegasus|_,  type in terminal ' $ unity --reset-icons ' and do the drag thing once
[19:40] <KM0201> lucas-arg,  does sudo shutdown -h now   shut you down (note, make sure any progress is saved before running that)
[19:40] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: no, i don't. That resetting the whole day and always reconfiguring - it's enough after two weeks beta. I'll keep it as it is.
[19:41] <lcb> _|pegasus|_,  btw, how did you manage to having tvtime sound workin?
[19:41] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: alsamixer -c 0 :)
[19:41] <lcb> rephrasing .. how did you manage getting tvtime wor...
[19:42] <lcb> ' tvtime -d /dev/video1 | arecord -D hw:1, 0 -r 32000 -c 2 -f S16_LE | aplay ' ??
[19:42] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: first created the /etc/modprobe.d/bttv
[19:43] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: told the kernel that it should load it on boot - that's it. works for me. I have an old TerraTV from '98 running. Still running ;)
[19:43] <lcb> _|pegasus|_,  i installed alsa and i run it with that command line
[19:44] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: in alsamixer i go to the port of the soundcard where the cable is plugged in
[19:44] <_|pegasus|_> unmute it and turn the volume up
[19:45] <lcb> _|pegasus|_, ack...  i get it from the embedded speakers this way
[19:45] <_|pegasus|_> but, as i mentioned: it has a cable from the card to the soundcard (realtek)
[19:45] <lcb> i wonder why there is no fix for tvtime yet
[19:45] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: which tv-card do you own?
[19:46] <lcb> a pinneacle one, usb
[19:46] <lcb> pinnacle, i mean
[19:46] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: the worst thing is, that i found no way but alsamixer to get that "input-ports"
[19:47] <lcb> _|pegasus|_,  yes, on another pc with an old tv card i have to do the way you did
[19:47] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: the normal gui doesn't show me that. It thinks, my radeon 3870 has a soundcard (no joke)
[19:48] <lcb> it's working, that's what matters
[19:49] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: but there is one thing i canÄt figure out: Nor tvtime nor another prog do find one channel. that one is missed. and i really don't understand that. in win (RIP and leave me alone ;) it works.
[19:50] <_|pegasus|_> ok, neither + nor...
[19:51] <lcb> _|pegasus|_, well, on mine i even have channels signaled as russians and i'm far away from that
[19:51] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: as russians? how is that possible?
[19:53] <lcb> _|pegasus|_, don't know, i have the channels, that's what i want. but tvtime recognize them as that.
[19:53] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: i did a tvtime-scanner; before that i told tvtime to look for all frequencies (you know, that point, where it tells us to run tvtime-scanner after)
[19:53] <lcb> for example, <station name="MCM Top"  ...       band="VHF Russia"   channel="SR17" ...  norm="PAL"  audio="auto"/>
[19:54] <_|pegasus|_> do they have vhf?
[19:54] <fyksen> Hey! I just installed gnome 3 on my ubuntu 11.04 beta2 box. It workds great. The only problem I got is that the "theme" are ugly.. It can't be right? Check this image: http://tinyurl.com/4yyntrt
[19:54] <lcb> _|pegasus|_,  let's open #ubuntu+1 for ppl issues :)
[19:55] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: Why open it? we are here ;)
[19:55] <lcb> _|pegasus|_, i have no clue. i use PAL indeed, but far away from Russia :)
[19:56] <lcb> _|pegasus|_,  natty issues...
[19:56] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: PAL is my standard in germany too. But i don't get russian stuff
[19:56] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: offtopic...
[19:57] <lcb> ya, that too. Dankeschön ;)
[19:58] <_|pegasus|_> Oh, you have a nice new char in that - looking strange ;)
[19:58] <lcb> hehehe
[19:58] <_|pegasus|_> ö
[19:58] <ub20> öh ??
[19:59] <ub20> sweden use ö and pal as well
[19:59] <th^^> is there any way to make unitys application top many show always like in mac? it's kind of unusable and annoying when it's in hover only.
[19:59] <_|pegasus|_> Looks like a questionmark in a 45 degree turned quader
[19:59] <lcb> _|pegasus|_, isn't that the way of spelling it?
[20:01] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: there's a special letter in it - like i told you: it's a questionmark in the quarter.
[20:01] <lcb> Schönen Dank (Many thanks); Besten Dank Natty (Best of thanks to Natty)
[20:01] <ub20> my compiz sucks today, it use 100% cpu after last updates..
[20:01] <th^^> anyone? :/
[20:02] <lcb> th^^,  you mean windows being on top?
[20:02] <mikebeecham> hi guys...I see thas Beta 2 is released...is it worth upgrading now, or wait for public release?
[20:02] <th^^> no, i mean the file, edit, etc application menus in top. they show only when you hover the top bar, unlike in mac where they're always visible
[20:03] <goruka> coz_: it seems at some point in the past (even before upgrading), some months ago i set a gnome3 ppa, but didn't install anything and forgot about it
[20:03] <th^^> i see no point in hiding them and it's annoying
[20:03] <lcb> th^^,  i see, as far as i know not yet
[20:03] <goruka> coz_: for some reason, the upgrader installed it and it instead of removing it
[20:03] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: Please use that special charakter again -  i changed the encoder now. Maybe it works now
[20:03] <coz_> goruka, ooo gnome 3 might be an issue  yes
[20:04] <lcb> _|pegasus|_, ö
[20:04] <goruka> coz_: i notieced that "gnome" was not installed and when i tried to install it, i discovered that somehow gnome 3 got installed from the ppa
[20:04] <coz_> goruka,  ok is itworking now ?
[20:04] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: Thanks, but doesn't work either.
[20:04] <th^^> alternatively.. is there any way to disable this top bar functionality and display menus inside apps like before?
[20:04] <goruka> coz_ question is how did it manage to install itself during the upgrade? :(
[20:05] <goruka> coz_: I'm installing gnome, and purged the ppa, so i hope this works
[20:05] <coz_> goruka,  that one I cant answer,, a glitch no doubt
[20:07] <lcb> th^^,  that's the way 11.04 is, for now. there are and there will be many tweaks
[20:07] <th^^> meh :/
[20:09] <lcb> th^^,  don't you get that in classic desktop?
[20:10] <coz_> goruka,  as long as its not gnome3  you should be fine however gnome should be in the repositories  not from a PPA
[20:10] <goruka> coz_: seems to work well now!! I finally can see unity
[20:10] <goruka> coz_, thanks a lot for your help!
[20:10] <coz_> goruka,  very cool :)
[20:10] <th^^> lcb: i dunno, i wanted to use unity but it seems still way unfinished/unconfigurable for daily usage
[20:11] <Rolaulten> Good afternoon - I'm wondering if anyone here is knowledgeable about touchpad issues - I'm attempting to get a acer aspire one netbook up and running ubuntu and I've run into one problem which google seems to be no help for - about 30 seconds after login OR after the first instance of a window has been lunched the mouse (regardless of if its a touchpad or external USB) gets locked out and is unable to click anything
[20:12] <lcb> th^^, is not unfinished, everything is done (cosmetically). but for whoever don't like unity 3d there are options on login where the interfaces are and behave differently
[20:15] <aguitel> lcb, when i boot with live cd it appears classic gnome desktop ,is this ok ?
[20:15] <lcb> aguitel, logout and try logging in to 'Ubuntu'
[20:16] <aguitel> lcb, it ask for me wth username and passwoerd
[20:16] <timmac> Hi there, can someone help with my install from usb? all goes fine booting from usb and then tells me it can't mound sys/mount/debug
[20:16] <timmac> and then a load of other stuff
[20:16] <lcb> aguitel, hit enter, unless you gave any user while loading, i don't know :)
[20:17] <aguitel> lcb, password incorrect say
[20:18] <lcb> aguitel, i didn't try it from live cd, probably there is some trick to do that.
[20:18] <PalinBachman2012> setting hot corners to activate with the mouse button is broken right now in compiz, right?
[20:19] <aguitel> lcb, you installed ?
[20:20] <lcb> aguitel, yes, several times/machines/ways. try ubuntu as username and hit enter
[20:21] <TheBuntu> just install ubuntu 11.02 beta2...how do i get gnome3
[20:22] <lcb> TheBuntu, not supported, yet
[20:22] <lcb> ...yet
[20:22] <penguin42> TheBuntu: You need to add a ppa https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3  but it's very volatile
[20:23] <TheBuntu> really none of 11.04 is suported yet
[20:25] <Daekdroom> !gnome3
[20:30] <aguitel> lcb, i logout and bootup with different ways but classic gnome appears
[20:33] <timmac> can anyone help me with my intsall issue? installing from usb and its telling me it cannot mount stuff
[20:33] <KM0201> can't mount stuff?
[20:33] <KM0201> very technical explanation there
[20:33] <timmac> yeah, cant mount sys/mount/debug
[20:34] <timmac> to start, and then a bunch of other stuff once I press s
[20:34] <arand> Presumably cant mount install media, since it thinks there should be a CD somewhere..
[20:34] <SMG1> hello, can some one tell me how to play quicktime in firefox4 linux?
[20:34] <KM0201> timmac, what installation are you using?... Live CD or Alt. CD?
[20:34] <arand> timmac: Is theis after or before installin it?
[20:35] <KM0201> cuz if you're trying the Alt. CD from the USB.. thats one reason to get that error.
[20:35] <timmac> arand, not sure what you mean about after or before, this is after the choose whether to install or boot from usb menu
[20:35] <KM0201> timmac, what ISO file did you put on the USB.. what as the name of it
[20:35] <aguitel> i am in live cd ,how i see unity ? coz classic gnome appears
[20:36] <timmac> KM0201, how can I tell if its alt or not? the iso is called ubuntu-11.04-beta1-desktop-i386.iso
[20:36] <KM0201> aguitel, if your pc doesn't support 3D out of the box, it defaults to Gnome Classic.
[20:36] <KM0201> timmac, ok, thats the live cd
[20:36] <TheBuntu> in jocky there is 2 nvidia drivers on 11.04...1 says recomended...the other says expirmental 3D suport or something in the area....whats the xpirmental  one
[20:37] <timmac> KM0201, so thats not the root of the problem?
[20:37] <KM0201> TheBuntu, i'm not sure, but i'd go w/ the recommended, unless you're prepared to trouble shoot problems
[20:37] <aguitel> KM0201, need to install privative drivers ?
[20:37] <KM0201> timmac, correct.. its not.
[20:37] <kroson> TheBuntu: im not sure, maybe nouveau with gallium3D?
[20:37] <KM0201> aguitel, yes.. which means most likely, its not gonna work on the live cd.. you'll have to install to try unity.
[20:37] <aguitel> KM0201, ok
[20:37] <TheBuntu> i am on the normal one..i was just wondering
[20:38] <arand> timmac: How did you create the usb, which tool?
[20:38] <timmac> arand, pendrivelinux.com one
[20:38] <arand> And maybe try another, and see if that works better
[20:40] <yofel> o/
[20:41] <KM0201> o/
[20:42] <timmac> arand, was that directed at me? if so, another what?
[20:44] <arand> timmac: There is the ubuntu usb disk createor, unetbootin..
[20:45] <KM0201> timmac, thats probably your problem, use ubuntu disk creator...
[20:45] <timmac> arand, will that take the ridiculously long time that the other one took?
[20:46] <KM0201> timmac, if you already have the ISO, all you need to download is the tool
[20:46] <SMG1> hello, how can I watch quicktime apple trailers in Firefox-4 (linux)?
[20:46] <KM0201> timmac, do you currently have windows installed?
[20:46] <arand> If you have an incredibly slow usb stick, and that is the isse, yes.
[20:46] <KM0201> yeah, i doubt it's the thumb drive, unless its just archaic.
[20:47] <timmac> arand, could be the problem, my usb ports are kinda fudged, but the actual stick is fine
[20:47] <KM0201> hmm
[20:47] <arand> Presumably though, if it does boot, from that point on the issues lie in the contents
[20:50] <timmac> well, I'm going to try making a new usb... we'll see how that goes
[20:59] <cbilljones> would it be possible to have OS drop to unity 2D when a VNC connection is established? Compiz really kills vnc connections :(
[21:00] <th^^> lcb: well, using menu-heavy applications like gimp and inkscape in unity is just soo burdening due top menu hiding :/
[21:00] <hardcold> have an x120e with beta 2 that won't connect to wifi networks
[21:00] <mongy> anyone help me with mounting my usb stick.  in 10.10 its fine..  Its just a 32gig stick split up into 2 fat partitions and 1 encrypted partition made with disk utility..  in 10.10 it prompts me to input password for encrypted partition and mounts fine, but in 11.04 it doesnt do anything, not even mount the fat partitions.  here is paste from dmesg http://pastebin.com/nvCUDrSZ
[21:01] <trism> th^^: sudo apt-get remove indicator-appmenu; then log out/back in will disable the global menu
[21:03] <th^^> trism: ty, much better
[21:06] <cbilljones> mongy gimp menus can be accessed by right clicking in window
[21:07] <cbilljones> i mean th^^ ^^
[21:08] <penguin42> mongy: does it show up in /proc/partitions ?
[21:08] <penguin42> mongy: And are you using unity or classic?
[21:08] <mongy> let me see
[21:08] <mongy> unity
[21:08] <th^^> cbilljones: i rather don't change the ways i've used the gimp for last 10 years :)
[21:09] <penguin42> mongy: I've not figured out where disc stuff is on Unity!   If I was on classic I'd run the gnome-disk mount app= and see if it'll let you mount it
[21:10] <mongy> damnit
[21:10] <mongy> they show up in nautilus and they mount when I click them..... asks for pass when I click the encrypted one..  just doesnt auto ask me
[21:10] <mongy> hmm ok not so bad then after all
[21:12] <kingrayray> hey guys does gnome still use gnome-settings-daemon?
[21:13] <penguin42> kingrayray: Still seems to be running here
[21:13] <kingrayray> kk. i'm actually running e17, i'm just going to use it to let gnome handle gtk fonts and stuff. =)
[21:13] <cyphase> wow.. i turned off chromium, and a few seconds later my session crashed
[21:13] <kingrayray> figured i'd check before an install ;)
[21:14] <cyphase> maybe that's what's been causing those few overnight session crashes i've had lately
[21:14] <kingrayray> not having chromium open enough? lol
[21:14] <cyphase> lol
[21:14] <cyphase> chromium itself :)
[21:14] <kingrayray> hehehe
[21:14] <kingrayray> i just added an omnibar to firefox4
[21:15] <cyphase> i mainly use firefox, i was just using chromium for a certain workspace
[21:15] <kingrayray> yeah i really like chromium, it and chrome on windows have been my main browser since the first release
[21:15] <kingrayray> but, new firefox. it deserves a chance :)
[21:16] <kingrayray> sry for OT chat :x lol
[21:16] <cyphase> oh, woops
[21:16] <cyphase> lol
[21:16] <cyphase> i thought i was in #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:19] <crazedpsyc> hello?
[21:20] <crazedpsyc> I just upgraded to natty, and Unity crashed (completely) every time I changed a setting in ccsm
[21:20] <crazedpsyc> is this a known bug?
[21:21] <arand> Is it a specific setting?
[21:21] <KM0201> i don't think so.. unity/ccsm has worked rather swimmingly for me
[21:21] <mongy> compiz restarts itself everytime I do something in ccsm...
[21:21] <crazedpsyc> nope, almost every single one
[21:22] <mongy> and I lose the files/folders dash and applications dash icons in launcher when it does
[21:22] <crazedpsyc> * well, it appears to have stopped crashing now
[21:22] <mongy> still very buggy, so close to release makes me wonder
[21:23] <crazedpsyc> after I pressed Control+Alt+F6 and ran killall5 several times (which foribly logs me out)
[21:23] <crazedpsyc> it is better, but I had to disable window previews because they froze and crashed the launcher every time they appeared
[21:24] <crazedpsyc> But hey, it looks good!
[21:24] <crazedpsyc> btw, how do I adjust the transparency of the top panel?
[21:25] <mongy> window previews dont show previews of apps on another desktop and dont always show the right app .. :(  but all in all, its a nice UI...
[21:25] <trism> crazedpsyc: there is an option on the experimental tab of the unity plugin in ccsm
[21:25] <crazedpsyc> Oh, thanks
[21:25] <crazedpsyc> I didn't see that tab
[21:27] <crazedpsyc> Is there a way to move the win buttons back to the right in unity? I'm just about to get the new ubuntu tweak...
[21:30] <KM0201> why woud you want Ubuntu Tweak
[21:31] <crazedpsyc> to tweak stuff ;)
[21:32] <robin0800> crazedpsyc, yes ubuntu-tweak can move those buttons
[21:33] <crazedpsyc> robin0800, Ok, thanks
[21:36] <crazedpsyc>  ubuntu-tweak depends on python (<< 2.7); however:   Version of python on system is 2.7.1-0ubuntu5
[21:36] <crazedpsyc> came up when installing UT
[21:39] <crazedpsyc> oh, that wasn't the latest unstable version...
[21:41] <crazedpsyc> I'm using the firefox Nightly build, can I get the globalmenu to work with this?
[21:42] <M3l7D0wN> hi
[21:42] <M3l7D0wN> just installed natty beta2, and grub2 uses fedora15's kernel and init in the ubuntu menuentry...
[21:43] <M3l7D0wN> is it a known issue?
[21:44] <crazedpsyc> Do you have fedora installed?
[21:44] <arand> M3l7D0wN: I would guess not, report bugs on launchpad.
[21:45] <hardcold> where is launchpad?
[21:45] <M3l7D0wN> crazedpsyc, yes
[21:45] <arand> !launchpad
[21:45] <timmacqueen> Hello, just installed natty on my computer connected to tv, which is 13X768 in resolution. This is whats showed in the monitor settings, but I'm still getting black bars on either side(not top and bottom) halp?
[21:47] <crazedpsyc> Have you tried rebooting with the tv still connected
[21:47] <crazedpsyc> ?
[21:47] <timmacqueen> yep
[21:47] <hardcold> simple question, how do I move a file into a protected folder? I've looked at commands, like sudo mv filename etc, but it won't work
[21:48] <hardcold> With OSX you can just assign yourself as root for a moment
[21:48] <crazedpsyc> hardcold, protected? run "lsattr [folder]"
[21:48] <hardcold> Can I not do this with ubuntu so I can drag and drop the file?
[21:48] <M3l7D0wN> sudo works
[21:48] <M3l7D0wN> hardcold, no
[21:49] <arand> hardcold: "sudo mv file /location" should work.
[21:49] <M3l7D0wN> the file folder doesn't integrate with sudo
[21:49] <M3l7D0wN> file manager*
[21:49] <M3l7D0wN> lol
[21:49] <hardcold> ubuntu says the file doesn't exist, and the folder doesn't exist
[21:49] <hardcold> but I can create folders without issue in it
[21:49] <arand> hardcold: Then that is the case
[21:49] <hardcold> but it won't let me put a file in it
[21:49] <guntbert> M3l7D0wN: with nautilus always use gksudo, never just sudo
[21:50] <arand> hardcold: So where are you moving the file, what command are you using?
[21:50] <M3l7D0wN> guntbert, I said that if you try to copy a file into a protected folder, nautilus doesn't offer to use administrator privileges
[21:51] <M3l7D0wN> which is the case for osx and windows
[21:51] <hardcold> sudo mv Paradise Lost XV.sceA /usr/local/shared/AlephOne/NetGames
[21:51] <arand> hardcold: sudo mv "Paradise Lost XV.sceA" /usr/local/shared/AlephOne/NetGames
[21:51] <hardcold> aha
[21:51] <arand> Spaces separate arguments in bash
[21:51] <guntbert> M3l7D0wN: of course it doesn't,
[21:52] <arand> alternatively escape the spaces:  Paradise\ Lost\ XV.sceA
[21:53] <arand> hardcold: If you use tab completion it will oftentimes do the space escaping for you
[21:53] <bin_bash> hey guise
[21:53] <robin0800> hardcold, you can always install nautilus=gksu
[21:54] <bin_bash> so guise i loaded up the livecd and it said no live desktop available what do
[21:54] <timmacqueen> shamelessly reposting problem- Hello, just installed natty on my computer connected to tv, which is 13X768 in resolution. This is whats showed in the monitor settings, but I'm still getting black bars on either side(not top and bottom)
[21:56] <hardcold> I'm such an idiot
[21:56] <hardcold> share not shared
[21:56] <hardcold> ^_-
[21:56] <hardcold> It's shared in OSX
[21:57] <hardcold> my first day with ubuntu and with command line
[21:57] <hardcold> little by little
[21:57] <guntbert> hardcold: use <tab> complete for file names
[21:58] <bin_bash> Has anyone else not had the livecd load for them?
[21:58] <bin_bash> any suggestions?
[21:58] <guntbert> !md5sum | bin_bash did you check?
[21:59] <bin_bash> I can't do that though
[21:59] <bin_bash> I'm using LOLOSX
[22:02] <M3l7D0wN> actually the correct ubuntu menuentry is placed by grub2 in "previous linux version"
[22:02] <M3l7D0wN> don't know why
[22:05] <crazedpsyc> why does the sound indicator keep blinking blue?
[22:06] <crazedpsyc> I don't even have a music player open...?
[22:06] <guntbert> bin_bash: http://www.macappguide.com/2009/04/28/quick-tip-check-md5sum-in-os-x/
[22:07] <jim__> Hi all, I have a question about the Unity desktop
[22:08] <jim__> I'm running the second beta CD and Unity doesn't come up
[22:08] <jim__> instead I get the GNOME interface
[22:09] <bin_bash> guntbert:  I got this
[22:09] <bin_bash> 7495e34f0fee92e7ec8efc0c93f97701
[22:09] <crazedpsyc> do you have a newish computer?
[22:09] <lcb> crazedpsyc, blinking or steady??
[22:09] <guntbert> bin_bash: compare it to the hash on the web site
[22:09] <crazedpsyc> Blinking, but every minute or so, not often
[22:09] <jim__> My computer is two years old
[22:10] <jim__> I'm using a NVidia GeForce 8400 GS card
[22:10] <guntbert> !hashes | bin_bash
[22:10] <crazedpsyc> jim__, that should support it...
[22:10] <bin_bash> Yeah it matches
[22:10] <crazedpsyc> jim__, did you make sure "Ubuntu" was the chosen session in gdm (when you log in)
[22:11] <lcb> crazedpsyc, try putting it on maximum output to check if you ear something
[22:12] <jim__> I'm running it in live mode I haven't installed it
[22:12] <crazedpsyc> lcb, my speakers are pretty loud, and they were muted before, so i'll try it on medium volume first, but good idea
[22:12] <crazedpsyc> jim__, then log out and pick "Ubuntu" at the bottom
[22:12] <jim__> does it give that option?
[22:12] <lcb> crazedpsyc, also, on 'sound preferences' and input, check microphone
[22:12] <crazedpsyc> jim__, it would give an error (i think) if your computer didn't support it
[22:13] <jim__> OK, I'll give it another shot and come back
[22:13] <crazedpsyc> jim__, also, remember to log back it ;D
[22:13] <crazedpsyc> *in
[22:13] <ramzy> jim__, i think that in live mode you are not using the nvidia driver...so unity wont apear
[22:14] <jim__> thanks for your help thus far
[22:14] <crazedpsyc> for me it auto-installed...
[22:14] <jim__> Is it possible to get the driver while in live mode?
[22:14] <ramzy> yes.....
[22:14] <ramzy> activate it , then log out and in again
[22:15] <crazedpsyc> jim__, search for nvidia in synaptic, or open system>admin>hardware drivers
[22:15] <jim__> OK thanks
[22:15] <bin_bash> So... since the md5 matches then what am I supposed to do?
[22:15] <crazedpsyc> anybody else finding it impossible to switch between windows with the unity launcher?
[22:16] <lcb> crazedpsyc, ALT + TAB?
[22:16] <lcb> crazedpsyc, the launcher... drag and drop. some are there for good (until you remove it)
[22:17] <bin_bash> Anyone?
[22:17] <lcb> nope
[22:18] <lcb> :)
[22:18] <yofel> unless crazedpsyc meens switching between open windows, which works fine by clicking on the other icon
[22:20] <bin_bash> Has anyone else had this desktop problemo?
[22:20] <lcb> oops. he dragged and dropped the connection
[22:21] <guntbert> bin_bash: you did actually boot from the live CD?
[22:21] <bin_bash> guntbert:  as opposed to what?
[22:21] <lcb> bin_bash, let me scroll back and try to have my common sense  +  a bit of 11.04 usage help :)
[22:22] <guntbert> bin_bash: as opposed to try to start it from within your current OS
[22:23] <bin_bash> oh. No, I booted the CD
[22:25] <lcb> what's lolosx you are running, bin_bash ?
[22:25] <guntbert> bin_bash: and did you get the grub menu?
[22:26] <crazedpsyc> lcb, thanks
[22:26] <bin_bash> i'm running 10.06
[22:26] <bin_bash> guntbert:  I got a cli
[22:26] <lcb> crazedpsyc, did you drag and dropped the internet connection also? :o
[22:26] <crazedpsyc> Unity crashed compiz again, this time it was when I was enabling the "Put" plugin
[22:27] <crazedpsyc> lcb, I couldn't focus on the firefox window without a window mgr :p
[22:27] <guntbert> bin_bash: a CLI? the first thing should be two symbols (keyboard and ??) at the bottom
[22:27] <bin_bash> yeah that was the VERY first thing I got
[22:27] <bin_bash> then it said ubuntu with the dots and tried to load
[22:27] <bin_bash> and then it said "no desktop available" or something of the sort
[22:28] <lcb> crazedpsyc, check natty's help site for the shortcuts. (Put plugin allows you to put any active window on screen on any viewpoint, or any position by using keypad bindings)
[22:29] <jozefk> is there some way to put system monitor to the panel in unity, just like it was simple and easy to do in gnome?
[22:30] <guntbert> bin_bash: when that symbol appears press a key, you should get the old menu
[22:30] <crazedpsyc> lcb, isn't Put also the one that nicely puts unexpected windows (eg, the update manager) next to the active window?
[22:30] <minashokry> hello, can't boot ubuntu on my new computer, I see error message can't open /dev/sr0 no medium found
[22:30] <bin_bash> okay i'll try that
[22:30] <bin_bash> brb
[22:30] <lcb> crazedpsyc, http://goo.gl/Pwxq1
[22:30] <yofel> jozefk: you'll need an indicator for that from what I know, someone said once there was a PPA for it, but I don't know which one
[22:31] <crazedpsyc> lcb, thanks for that :)
[22:31] <sebsebseb> What's Unity actsaully like, now that it's re done with Compiz?  Well I will find out soon anyway, but uhmm still the question
[22:31] <jozefk> can I use gnome instead of unity in ubuntu 11.04?
[22:31] <lcb> crazedpsyc, i don't know about yr last question. i don't use any plugins yet, until final release
[22:31] <sebsebseb> jozefk: there's a ppa for Gnome Shell for 11.04, but that will brake Unity
[22:31] <crazedpsyc> the hold super shortcut is awesome!
[22:31] <penguin42> jozefk: Old gnome just works
[22:31] <sebsebseb> jozefk: and then as far as I know, you can't just get Unity back either
[22:31] <yofel> jozefk: select ubuntu classic on login
[22:32] <minashokry> lcb, you still here? I am who was asking from few hours
[22:32] <lcb> crazedpsyc, ya, gives you the lottery numbers
[22:32] <sebsebseb> jozefk: and if you mean Gnome 2, then yeah the  Ubuntu classic desktop
[22:32] <yofel> sebsebseb: both unity and gnome2 are installed by default
[22:32] <jozefk> ok. i'll try ubuntu classic
[22:32] <yofel> ah, you meant 3
[22:32] <jozefk> thanks
[22:32] <lcb> minashokry, ask what? :o
[22:32] <sebsebseb> yofel: yes I meant 3, but I think jozefk meant 2
[22:32] <jozefk> I mean any gnome. gnome 2 or 3 I don't care. I liked gnome
[22:32] <frith> ah setting unity's sidebar to 32x32px is so good on this netbook
[22:33] <crazedpsyc> can I get nautilus 3 beta on natty?
[22:33] <jozefk> or maybe i will try kde :))
[22:33] <jozefk> kde could work also
[22:34] <minashokry> lcb, I still can't boot ubuntu on my new computer. I get a message can't find medium with live file system and casper.log says cn't open /dev/sr0: no medium found
[22:35] <KM0201> woops, wrong X
[22:35] <lcb> minashokry, you need to instruct BIOS the medium order to boot, i believe
[22:35] <sebsebseb> yofel: anyway about to get the Beta 2 ISO, I want to be running Gnome Shell or  Unity on this computer now,  and so going to go for Unity for now,  try it out for about three or four weeks or something like that I guess,  maybe longer then that, but I know I would probably want to be running  Gnome Shell really in the long term
[22:35] <minashokry> lcb, I am booting from a live cd and from start up usb. both same result
[22:35] <sebsebseb> long term/run
[22:35] <lcb> minashokry, "new computer". you know 11.04 is still beta, don't you?
[22:36] <minashokry> lcb, yes ..... tried 10.10 gives same
[22:36] <KM0201> minashokry, whats wrong?
[22:36] <yofel> hm, which reminds me I need to see if gnome-shell starts again here
[22:36] <KM0201> sorry, was playing quadrapssel
[22:36] <lcb> minashokry, so.. again, i think it might be the booting setup in your bios.
[22:36]  * sebsebseb will even do a clean install later on at some stage with the final,  which would probably be a bit pointless, when starting with beta 2, but still.
[22:37] <minashokry> lcb, what order do you suggest?
[22:37] <KM0201> sebsebseb, i do the same thing
[22:37] <sebsebseb> !upgrade
[22:37] <sebsebseb> !final
[22:37] <bin_bash> Okay I tried that
[22:37] <sebsebseb> KM0201: what the bot says, depending on how someone wants to look at it, isn't quite true, as I know from expereince of trying out other development versions
[22:37] <sebsebseb> KM0201: hence the clean install idea :)
[22:38] <KM0201> sebsebseb, i totally agree, been there done that got the t-shirt
[22:38] <lcb> minashokry, if you are booting from CD put it first, second usb third USB etc... it depends what type of machine is that
[22:38] <sebsebseb> with  the final later on
[22:38] <bin_bash> And I was able to select "try without installing"
[22:38] <lcb> 3rd, hard drive, i mean
[22:38] <KM0201> sebsebseb, no argument from me, i totally agree with you, and do the same thing
[22:38] <minashokry> lcb, dell xps 15
[22:38] <guntbert> !who | bin_bash
[22:38] <sebsebseb> KM0201: yeah :)
[22:38] <minashokry> lcb, I am booting from usb start-up
[22:38] <sebsebseb> KM0201: shame I got to run Unity in Ubuntu at the moment, but it will come to other distro's later on anyway so :)
[22:39] <KM0201> ya
[22:39] <bin_bash> guntbert:  I was able to select English, and then Try Without Installing. After it started loading the Ubuntu Logo I got a cli with the error: "Unable to find a medium containing a live file system"
[22:39] <lcb> minashokry, on DELL, i think is DEL to enter the bios setup. don't play with it unless you are very sure what you are doing though. i have one dell too with windows but never went to bios
[22:40] <KM0201> minashokry, you might also see a message that says "Press Fxx for boot options"... and it will let you select your boot device for a one time boot, rather than making a permanent change in the bios.
[22:40] <KM0201> w/ my Acer, is F12
[22:41] <lcb> minashokry, you might have there startup priority, or order or something. put USB 1st, CD 2nd, HD 3rd
[22:41] <KM0201> lcb, whats his dell model again?
[22:41] <lcb> dell xps 15
[22:41] <guntbert> bin_bash: ah, that could mean that either the burning went wrong or the CD drive is ....., from the afore mentioned menu you should be able to select "check CD for defects" (or so) - please do that
[22:41] <minashokry> lcb, KM0201, it isn't boot order, ubuntu splash shows and starts then I stop at initramfs with the message I said
[22:42] <KM0201> oh ok.. sorry, i thought you were having trouble etting the device to boot.
[22:42] <KM0201> my bad
[22:42] <lcb> minashokry, but is looking for installing medium, isn't?
[22:42] <lcb> minashokry, burn the iso again. checksum it, use unetbootin for usb
[22:42] <bin_bash> guntbert:  verify burned data is selected
[22:43] <minashokry> lcb, I tired many ubuntu images
[22:43] <minashokry> lcb, all give the same message and stop in same point
[22:44] <lcb> minashokry, ur right, /dev/screen.... might be a corrupt image
[22:44] <bin_bash> minashokry: what message are you getting
[22:44] <guntbert> bin_bash: ok, but you still should check the running CD for errors
[22:45] <minashokry> bin_bash, "can't find a medium containing a llive file system"
[22:45] <bin_bash> That's the exact error I'm getting
[22:45] <Hobart> Just did the update to the beta, now X hangs on boot.  Alt+SysRq+R lets me switch to another virtual terminal though.
[22:45] <Hobart> Can someone assist me with finding who I should inform? :-)
[22:45] <bin_bash> It seems like minashokry and I are having the same problem
[22:45] <penguin42> This is from a usb thumb boot?
[22:46] <bin_bash> Mine is from a CD
[22:46] <yofel> Hobart: if it's X that doesn't start check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[22:46] <penguin42> bin_bash: So what's the last thing you see on the screen?
[22:47] <sebsebseb> KM0201: going back to my comment about having to run Unity in Ubuntu at the moment,  well that's not quite true I guess,  I guess loads of distros based on it could run it at the moment really,  but anyway I am going to try out the Compiz version in 11.04 beta 2 like I said.
[22:47] <Hobart> yofel -> segfault.
[22:47] <lcb> minashokry, that /dev/sr0 means is not finding the CD. try burning the image again.
[22:47] <KM0201> hmm
[22:47] <penguin42> lcb: Actually that's an unusual failed image error
[22:47] <lcb> yeap
[22:47] <yofel> Hobart: file it against the driver I would say
[22:47] <bin_bash> the ubuntu splash and then a cli "[initranfs] unable to find medium containing a live file system
[22:48] <minashokry> lcb, I tried booting from live cd and from start-up usb
[22:48] <penguin42> bin_bash: ok, I'm wondering if it's not finding your CD drive
[22:48] <lcb> penguin42, but is happening often on this user
[22:48] <Hobart> yofel -> 'k... just go to ... launchpad I think ?
[22:49] <Hobart> yofel -> anything special I should do since this is a test of natty ?
[22:49] <yofel> Hobart: run 'apport-cli <driver package>' (works over ssh too)
[22:49] <penguin42> bin_bash/minashorkry: Could you both from that initramfs prompt do an ls /sys/class/block   and see if there is an sr0 or sr1 or the like there?
[22:49] <yofel> Hobart: what driver?
[22:49] <Hobart> yofel -> trying that, thank you very much
[22:49] <Hobart> http://jb.org/journal/2011-04/natty-x-segfault.txt
[22:49] <Hobart> fglrx
[22:49] <penguin42> bin_bash/minashorkry: Also what hardware are you guys using?
[22:50] <minashokry> penguin42, I have sr0 but not sr1. I am using Dell xps 15
[22:50] <penguin42> minashokry: OK, that's good - now what error do you actually see?
[22:51] <minashokry> penguin42, unable to find a medium containing live file system
[22:51] <bin_bash> penguin42:  let me reboot again and try that
[22:51] <lcb> "ubuntu splash shows and starts then I stop at initramfs with the message  can't find medium""casper.log says cn't open /dev/sr0: no medium found"
[22:51] <bin_bash> ls/sys/class/block
[22:52] <bin_bash> or ls /sys/class/block
[22:52] <penguin42> minashokry/bin_bash: OK, when you guys do, also cat /proc/partitinos and see if that show sr0 and also do ls -l /dev/sr0 to see if it actually exists
[22:53] <penguin42> partitions even
[22:53] <guntbert> bin_bash: the latter
[22:53] <bin_bash> partitinos or partitions?
[22:54] <minashokry> penguin42, cat /proc/partitions shows 4 lines for sda, sda1, sda2,sda3
[22:54] <bin_bash> ok brb
[22:54] <minashokry> penguin42 ls -l /dev/sr0 brw------- 1   11,    0 /dev/sr0
[22:55] <strav> he. Any one tested their favorite emacs config on ubuntu 11.04 beta2? (I'm getting lots of menu glitches)
[22:56] <penguin42> minashokry: OK, I just checked /proc/partitions doesn't show it anyway
[22:56] <lcb> partitions, he corrected that :p
[22:57] <minashokry> penguin42, yes
[22:57] <lcb> oops, sorry. that was typed before, disregard
[22:57] <nmpribeiro> hi there
[22:58] <Hobart> yofel -> Bug #763130 filed, anything else I can contribute to help ? :)
[22:59] <lcb> minashokry, you are not installing, isn't? you are only running live cd.
[22:59] <nmpribeiro> apt-get install (any deb package) Err http://archive.ubuntu.com/****:80 failed. Too many open files -> Never saw this one.... nor been able to google this problem. Anyone please? :)
[22:59] <minashokry> penguin42, any suggestions/
[23:00] <penguin42> minashokry/bin_bash: Hmm not really - it's obviously finding your cd drive, otherwise there wouldn't be the /sys/class/block/sr0 and with /dev/sr0 existing that all looks good
[23:01] <penguin42> minashorkry: You could try from that prompt seeing if the iso is already mounted or try mounting it and see if there is an error
[23:02]  * Arjen tips his hat. Hello there!
[23:02] <lucas-arg> is there any way to show menus in Appmenu without having to place the mouse pointer in the bar?
[23:03] <Hobart> anyone know how I can reconfigure X to use vesa or something 'til fglrx or another driver work?
[23:03] <Arjen> I can't launch my Chrome from Unity. Does Chrome need a plugin for it?
[23:03] <penguin42> Hobart: Were you previously using fglrx?
[23:03] <slestak> i believe you can run xorg in a way to dump an xorg.conf to disk
[23:03] <Hobart> penguin42 -> yes.
[23:03] <slestak> then you can modify it and change the driver to vesa
[23:03] <penguin42> Hobart: Check if you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf and if you do move it out of the way
[23:04] <Hobart> slestak -> OK. Is there a way to re-invoke the driver probe that takes place during initial install?
[23:04] <slestak> brb, rebooting
[23:04] <Hobart> penguin42 -> OK, trying. Thank you!
[23:04] <slestak> i dunno, so much of x is magic now
[23:04] <slestak> most ppl dont have an xorg.conf i suspect
[23:05] <bin_bash> penguin42:  I tried everything you suggested. I do not have sr0
[23:05] <penguin42> bin_bash: Where? You don't have /dev/sr0 or you don't have /sys/class/block/sr0 ?
[23:05] <bin_bash> no /dev/sr0
[23:05] <bin_bash> no such file or direcrtory
[23:06] <penguin42> bin_bash: OK, did you have /sys/class/block/sr0 ?
[23:06] <bin_bash> No
[23:06] <penguin42> bin_bash: OK, so your problem is the kernel isn't finding the CD drive at all
[23:06] <bin_bash> Wehn I did ls
[23:06] <bin_bash> it showed cdrom
[23:06] <bin_bash> when I tried to mount it
[23:06] <penguin42> where?
[23:06] <bin_bash> just ls
[23:07] <penguin42> without knowing which directory that was in it doesn't help much I'm afraid
[23:07] <penguin42> brb - going to get some food; back in 10min
[23:07] <bin_bash> the initranfs
[23:07] <strav> still no emacs users around?
[23:07] <strav> (got no feedback in #emacs)
[23:08] <slestak> maybe do dmesg | grep cd
[23:08] <slestak> or dvd or sr
[23:09] <orgy> Anyone else having a minor issue with the background in unity when first logging in? IT looks like its set to 640x480 on my 1920x1080 monitor until i click the background once. Any insight?
[23:09] <Edwisoca> i have a problem, i'm trying to install ubuntu on my hp dv5 2146la, core i5, 4 gb of ram, 500 hard drive, im trying with ubuntu 11.04 B2, im trying with wubi, installing ubuntu inside windows, but when i restart the computer i just get a blackscreen, i press the caps lock button and it works, but the system does not start, please help
[23:09] <jim__> Hi all, I solved my problem with Unity
[23:10] <lcb> orgy, yes and might be resolved
[23:10] <bluefox83> Edwisoca: i've read some warnings saying not to install using wubi because there are some serious problems with the installer
[23:10] <jim__> crazedpsyc I installed the OS and after downloading the NVidia driver
[23:11] <jim__> everything worked fine
[23:11] <lcb> orgy, it's the kind of issue that doesn't bother too much
[23:11] <KM0201> bluefox83, wubi, generally is not a good idea.
[23:12] <lcb> bluefox83, that's from what version/iso?
[23:12] <bluefox83> KM0201: i agree, cus it runs in windows, and windows is a bad idea all-around ;)
[23:12] <sebsebseb> bluefox83: use real partitions, Wubi can result in nasty issues
[23:12] <bluefox83> lcb: i don't know it was on the website :/
[23:12] <orgy> ok cool, i was just curious its the last weird issue I have been dealing with on 11.04. Thanks
[23:12] <bluefox83> sebsebseb: i wouldn't ever use wubi...i wouldn't ever use windows ;)
[23:12] <KM0201> sebsebseb, exactly... you screw up in Ubuntu just good enough, you'll brick both OS's... in a normal dual boot system, most of the time, at least one OS will be safe ( as long as you're not being really wreckless)
[23:12] <lcb> ohh. i think that wubi thing is corrected already
[23:13] <Edwisoca> thanks bluefox83 but i also try installing with the ubuntu 10-04 cd i got from canonical but it also freeze the screen but the buttons still works,
[23:13] <sebsebseb> lcb: no in geeneral, Wubi is known to get nasty issues at times
[23:13] <lcb> i never tried that. but looks a fun thing to do
[23:14] <lcb> :)
[23:14] <bluefox83> Edwisoca: why the old cd and not the latest beta iso?
[23:14] <Edwisoca> i try with both
[23:14] <Edwisoca> and nothing
[23:14] <Edwisoca> i just get a black screen but the buttons still works
[23:15] <sebsebseb> Edwisoca: try a proper partitioned dual boot
[23:15] <sebsebseb> Edwisoca: no Wubi
[23:15] <Edwisoca> mmm
[23:15] <sebsebseb> Edwisoca: or just wait untill the final for Ubuntu 11.04, I get the impression your new to this stuff really
[23:15] <Edwisoca> yes
[23:15] <Edwisoca> ejejejejej
[23:15] <Edwisoca> but
[23:15] <Edwisoca> why the 10.04 cd does not work?
[23:15] <Edwisoca> i keep getting a black screen
[23:16] <sebsebseb> Edwisoca: ok wait untill the final, it comes out April 28th,  then download the ISO for 11.04,  md5sum check,  burn to CD, try it
[23:16] <sebsebseb> !md5sum
[23:16] <sebsebseb> Edwisoca: what graphics card you got?  and stuff like that?
[23:17] <sebsebseb> which Windows is on your computer?
[23:17] <Edwisoca> core i5, 4 gb ram, intel hd graphics, 500 hd,
[23:17] <Edwisoca> windows 7,
[23:17] <sebsebseb> Edwisoca: core i5 ???
[23:17] <Edwisoca> aja
[23:17] <sebsebseb> is that, that new Intel graphics card I read about?
[23:17] <Edwisoca> yes
[23:17] <bin_bash> Edwisoca: Are you using a macbookpro
[23:17] <Edwisoca> no, hp dv5 2146
[23:18] <bin_bash> Are you new to ubuntu?
[23:18] <sebsebseb> Edwisoca: uhmm  there was some Intel graphcis card or whatever, that was really new, and well no Linux distro support for it yet
[23:18] <sebsebseb> Edwisoca: could be the one you have
[23:18] <Edwisoca> this is my pc http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/co/es/ho/WF06b/321957-321957-3329744-64354-64354-4210545-4311592.html?jumpid=reg_R1002_COES
[23:18] <sebsebseb> in general Linux distributions work or work best, with hardware that isn't to new, and that isn't to old, and is pretty standard
[23:18] <slestak> sebsebseb: i5 is the dual core optio now from intel
[23:18] <slestak> i3 == celeron
[23:19] <slestak> i5 == core2 duo
[23:19] <sebsebseb> slestak: hmm ok, but Ubuntu 10.04 won't have support for that?
[23:19] <slestak> i7 == quad core
[23:19] <bin_bash> sebsebseb:  no never
[23:19] <sebsebseb> slestak: ,but 11.04 might?
[23:19] <bin_bash> sebsebseb:  11.04 BARELY has support for it
[23:19] <sebsebseb> bin_bash: well there we go then, that's why Edwisoca is getting problems it seems then
[23:19] <slestak> i5 is not the video card, that is the cpu designation
[23:19] <bin_bash> The GPU is the problem
[23:19] <bin_bash> there's no support for it yet
[23:19] <Edwisoca> Gráficos	Intel® HD Graphics
[23:20] <sebsebseb> yes that's what I was on about whatever graphics card, they got, no support for it yet probably
[23:20] <Edwisoca> ummmm, but i want to try ubuntu, what can i do?
[23:20] <slestak> do an lspci and get us the chipset number
[23:20] <bin_bash> There /are/ drivers but they're not really supported yet
[23:20] <sebsebseb> Edwisoca: if you have a to new graphics card, well Linux distro's won't have support yet,  or hardly have support
[23:20] <bin_bash> Edwisoca:  wait until the full release
[23:20] <Edwisoca> ok, thanks
[23:20] <sebsebseb> Edwisoca: maybe you can do a virtual machine try inside Windows of Ubuntu
[23:21] <sebsebseb> bin_bash: final will have support?
[23:21] <bin_bash> sebsebseb:  it should. there's minimal support for it right now.
[23:21] <bin_bash> sebsebseb:  http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel_i32100_graphics&num=1
[23:22] <sebsebseb> Edwisoca: good to try  a few distro's by the way :)  since well Desktop Linux and all it's various distro's makes it really great :) anyway have fun with that
[23:22] <slestak> have we ascertained what chipset it is, nit by name but by number?
[23:23] <Edwisoca> 8.15.10.2302 ?
[23:23] <Arjen> Since I was AFK for a while, I'll ask again and hope it's not rude. :)  - Anyone know why I can't launch Chrome from Unity? The open animation plays, but the browser never gets launched. :<
[23:25] <lcb> Arjen, did you install it from ... where?
[23:25] <Arjen> lcb, The debian package from their site.
[23:26] <lcb> arand, what's the name of that package, can you get it?
[23:26] <lcb> Arjen..
[23:26] <Arjen> *giggles* That was almost typo'd Arend, which is also one of my names. Sec. I deleted the deb file already.
[23:27] <lcb> sudo apt-get --purge remove 'that_package_name' && sudo apt-get install chromium-browser
[23:27] <Arjen> Oh. I should have gone with Chromium? D:
[23:27] <lcb> yes
[23:27]  * Arjen facepalms.
[23:27] <lcb> :)
[23:27] <Arjen> I'm such a noob.
[23:28] <lcb> it works fine, i use it, besides flamesfox
[23:28] <Arjen> I stopped using FF... Not sure why. It started being so bloaty a while ago. xD
[23:28] <Arjen> But -- ok. For future reference
[23:28] <bin_bash> Arjen:  your personality is so.... bubbly.
[23:29] <lcb> Arjen, it's good, i use both. chromiun is relatively new and missing some things we are used to have it on ff
[23:29] <Arjen> It remembers the .deb filename of the installer, and removes the packages it installed?
[23:29] <arand> Well it is not particularly a matter of chrom/chromium, but rather that chromium is the version in the ubuntu repository.
[23:29] <Arjen> bin_bash, I'll take that as a compliment. :]
[23:29] <Arjen> I'm just excited my lady is visiting tomorrow. It's been a month. So I might be a bit... 'bubblier' than normal.
[23:30] <lcb> lol
[23:30] <Arjen> Shush! I got engaged, that stuff's supposed to make you bubbly! >.<
[23:30] <lcb> Arjen, get a nice desktop background so she will be happy
[23:31] <Arjen> I went with the ragged looking sign. xD
[23:31] <lcb> congrats Arjen
[23:31] <bin_bash> All the emoting is making me twitch, quite honestly.
[23:31] <bin_bash> I also could have sworn you were a girl
[23:31] <lcb> hehehehe
[23:32]  * penguin42 returns
[23:32] <Arjen> I'm sorry... (Not really.) I'll try to keep the emoting to myself.
[23:32] <bin_bash> Welcome back penguin42 :)
[23:32] <lcb> Arjen, it's ok, as soon as her name isn't Natty
[23:32] <Arjen> Luckily it's not :P
[23:32] <sianhulo> how do i know if i have unity 3d¿?
[23:33] <lcb> Arjen, i only hope you both would always have unity
[23:33] <sebsebseb> sianhulo: ok got 11.04 installed recently?
[23:33] <maco> bin_bash: i see no denial of being a lady....
[23:34] <bin_bash> maco:  LOL
[23:34] <Arjen> Hahah, insert product placement icon <here>.
[23:34] <sianhulo> yes, just yesterday
[23:34] <Arjen> maco, LOL, consider this your denial.
[23:34] <sebsebseb> sianhulo: ok and it looks like a previous version of Ubuntu right now, right?
[23:34] <bin_bash> penguin42:  when I do ls in the initranfs I see cdrom
[23:34] <bin_bash> then when I do mount cdrom it says can't read /etc/fstab no such file or directory
[23:34] <sianhulo> well it have a panel in the left side
[23:34] <Arjen> Although if I was a sexy engaged lesbian, I'm sure support offers would pop up like wildfires!
[23:35] <sianhulo> and the menu of aplication is inside upper panel
[23:35]  * rww grabs the steering wheel and turns  the channel back in the direction of 11.04 discussion and support
[23:35] <sebsebseb> sianhulo: ok if you got something that looks like a dock from Mac OS X, going down the left,  then sure you got Unity by the sounds of it
[23:35] <penguin42> bin_bash: OK, I'm not quite sure why that cdrom is there - mount cdrom wouldn't work automatically, and if you don't have a /dev/sr0 or /sys/class/block/sr0 I'm not too surprised
[23:35] <sianhulo> yes
[23:35] <maco> *shrug* ok. just seemed like "is dating a female human" was not exactly something that gives away a person's gender
[23:35] <sebsebseb> sianhulo: and if you didn't get a message saying that you had to use the fall back before, because a graphics driver was missing,  then eyah
[23:36] <penguin42> bin_bash: can you boot into a different Linux - ideally an older Ubuntu?
[23:36] <sianhulo> i just remember a message about a crash of gsettings or something like that
[23:36] <Arjen> lcb, that didn't actually work... I tried the package name but it just failed. Heh
[23:36] <bin_bash> penguin42:  I can boot into 10.04 but it doesn't work
[23:36] <lcb> penguin42, i still believe both of them have "corrupted" images
[23:36] <sebsebseb> sianhulo: well sounds like you got Unity
[23:36] <sianhulo> my problem is tht i have an integrated video card(intel)i fear it wont compatible with unity 3d
[23:36] <sebsebseb> sianhulo: take a screenshot if you want, but it sounds like your already running Unity
[23:36] <penguin42> bin_bash: OK, well look it's worth as lcb trying another cd burn after redownloading - if that doesn't work I'd like to see a dmesg from a Linux that boots
[23:37] <lcb> Arjen, try trough synaptic then
[23:37] <Arjen> Thanks lcb.
[23:37] <penguin42> lcb: Yeh it's worth a try for a new image - although the lack of /sys/class/block/sr0 is surprising
[23:37] <sianhulo> but rher is not an unity 2d and a unity 3d?
[23:37] <bin_bash> penguin42:  Alrigh I'll re-download and then re-burn and then I can boot into 10.04 (it boots but I have NO drivers) and I can try dmesg
[23:37]  * sebsebseb has his beta 2 downloading a bit slow, but getting there
[23:37] <penguin42> bin_bash: What's your hardware?
[23:38] <sebsebseb> sianhulo: no Unity 2D in Ubuntu 11.04, unless people use an optional ppa
[23:38] <lcb> penguin42, we didn't ask what image is that caming from.. who know for instance from daily were at some point damaged?!
[23:38] <sebsebseb> sianhulo: the fall back mode for Ubuntu 11.04 is Gnome 2 with the Ubuntu developer patches
[23:38] <penguin42> lcb: Oh good point
[23:38] <sebsebseb> sianhulo: for 11.10 it seems that Unity 2D will be the fall back instead
[23:39] <sianhulo> i heard that there is problem with gnome shell and unity, if i install gnome shell unity will crash?
[23:40] <sebsebseb> sianhulo: Ubuntu 11.04 hasn't been designed for people to have both without issues, as a result if you install Gnome Shell from the ppa,  Unity will stop working and well as far as I know you won't just be able to have Unity working again after either
[23:40] <lcb> i only install daily/s but i love to destroy and recovering systems :)
[23:40] <bin_bash> penguin42:  MacBook Pro i5 San2.3 GHz i5, Intel HD MATSHITA DVD-R UJ-898
[23:41] <sianhulo> and if i install it and after quit it, unity will be still having problems?
[23:41] <penguin42> bin_bash: OK, give a new install a go - is taht the really recent sandy bridge mac?
[23:41] <sebsebseb> sianhulo: (also really Ubuntu 11.04 should be using Gnome Shell by default since that's from upsteram Gnome, but no Canonical have their own interface idea's hence Unity made for desktops as well starting with 11.04 not just netbooks like 10.10)
[23:41] <bin_bash> penguin42:  yeah early 2011
[23:42] <sianhulo> i dont like unity, it has a lot of problems :(
[23:42] <bin_bash> sianhulo:  use gnome 3 :D
[23:42] <Arjen> I'm curious about Gnome 3
[23:42] <penguin42> bin_bash: OK, give a new image a go but I wouldn't be surprised if you're seeing a kernel bug not recognising the hard drive on there - I'd try a thumb drive install
[23:42] <Arjen> Then again I'm still curious about nearly anything since I'm so new to linux lol.
[23:42] <lcb> sianhulo, a short answer... just install it. you gonna have gnome and unity. but read a bit about 11.03, updated info on topic
[23:42] <sebsebseb> sianhulo: if you want to try out Gnome Shell as well, that's great :) you can get a Fedora or OpenSuse Live CD, for the proper expereince http://gnome3.org
[23:42] <sianhulo> i can't use alt + tab, and i dont know hot to switch between 2 windows(of the same progam)
[23:42] <bin_bash> penguin42:  Yeah if only I could find my thumb drive!
[23:42] <lcb> 11.04
[23:42] <penguin42> Arjen: I gave it a go - it seems different from Unity - it seems more stable and in some ways less drastic - but I don't like what they did to workspaces
[23:43] <sebsebseb> sianhulo: some distro's already using Gnome 3 and Gnome Shell by default, but yep Fedora 15 will when it's released.  loads of choice :)  ,but personally  I woudn't use Ubuntu for Gnome Shell.
[23:43] <Arjen> Oh. What -did- they do? I was going to try it after tinkering with Unity
[23:43] <Arjen> (to workspaces that is, penguin42)
[23:43] <sianhulo> wait, i'll comeback in a while
[23:43] <Hobart> yofel / penguin42 / slestak -> Okay, what worked was purging all 'fglrx' packages, then doing updatedb / locate fglrx , then doing "for foo in `locate fglrx`; dpkg-query -S $foo; done" , then renaming out every file on the filesystem that ...
[23:43] <Edwisoca> thanks, im gonna wait for the final release, bye
[23:43] <penguin42> Arjen: They only have a vertical set of workspaces and a lot of the shortcuts about moving things between workspaces has gone - and I'm a strict 3x3 workspace guy
[23:44] <Hobart> ... contained 'fglrx' except for the two that were part of packages (app-install-data and x11-common each own one).  *then* X worked.
[23:44] <Arjen> 3x3! Oh my you're a multitasker. >.<
[23:44] <Hobart> correction, "do dpkg-query..."
[23:44] <bin_bash> penguin42:  I found my pen drive I'll try doing that
[23:45] <lcb> bin_bash, i like using unetbootin for that, at times
[23:45] <lcb> gives you some more options
[23:45] <bin_bash> what
[23:45] <bin_bash> lcb:  what is unetbootin
[23:45] <lcb> to do your usb
[23:45] <lcb> apt-get install unetbootin
[23:46] <bin_bash> I can't cuz I'm usin lolosx
[23:46] <lcb> what the heck is that? i asked you before. sorry, i was born last century
[23:46] <bin_bash> oh it's mac os x
[23:46] <KM0201> lcb, the version in the repos never works for me.. i have no idea why...
[23:46] <sianhulo> i got back, well, i know that if i install gnome shell unity will die, but gnome shell will have problems?(yes, i konw tha i am an annoying)
[23:46] <bin_bash> I just say lolosx because it's a laughable system
[23:46] <lcb> ahh ok.... bin_bash  :)
[23:47] <KM0201> bin_bash, no access to a windows or linux machine at all?
[23:47] <penguin42> bin_bash: http://sourceforge.net/projects/unetbootin/files/UNetbootin/549/unetbootin-mac-549.zip/download   for macos
[23:47] <bin_bash> KM0201:  Nupe
[23:47] <lcb> bin_bash, yes it is. look if unetbootin is available for that. i believe so
[23:47] <bin_bash> penguin42:  thanks
[23:47] <KM0201> bin_bash, well.. well that sucks. that is one thing ive found, making a bootble USB in Mac, is tough
[23:47] <lcb> KM0201, i use it.. and works. FROM ISOs, not from the dropdown menu
[23:47] <KM0201> can't believe nobody has made a utility to do that yet
[23:47] <penguin42> unetbootin is available for everything
[23:48] <KM0201> penguin42, not for mac
[23:48] <penguin42> KM0201: I posted a link to it!
[23:48] <bin_bash> KM0201:  I'm DLing it now
[23:48] <bin_bash> LOL
[23:48] <KM0201> oh wow, i didn't know there was a mac version
[23:48] <KM0201> is that recent?
[23:48] <aauthor> On natty I installed linux-generic-pae linux-headers-generic-pae, but my (32-bit) system is still showing only 3.2gb RAM.  Any ideas?
 bin_bash: http://sourceforge.net/projects/unetbootin/files/UNetbootin/549/unetbootin-mac-549.zip/download   for macos
[23:49] <KM0201> well, unetbootin will certainly make it easy
[23:49] <penguin42> dunno - I just found it on their site
[23:49] <lcb> so there is one :P
[23:49] <penguin42> aauthor: Do you see more than 3.2GB of RAM in any other OS?
[23:49] <KM0201> lcb, it's gotta be fairly new.. it wasn't thre as of about 5 weeks ago, when i was helping a machead setup  aUSB
[23:49] <aauthor> Yes, on my ubuntu 10.10.
[23:49] <lcb> KM0201, i used a mac machine about 20 yrs ago... never used one again
[23:49] <penguin42> aauthor: OK, can you post a dmesg from the system booted with the pxe kernel?
[23:50] <bin_bash> lcb:  yeah i got it
[23:50] <penguin42> lcb: They have almost nothing in common with old macs
[23:50] <aauthor> penguin42: Sure thing, just a second.
[23:50] <KM0201> aauthor, you shouldn't have "install" the pae kernel... when the installer detects over 3gigs, it installs it automatically
[23:50] <bin_bash> penguin42:  so I just select 11.04 Live_x64
[23:50] <penguin42> bin_bash: Can't remember but sounds promising!
[23:50] <lcb> penguin42, i believe so. my idea is still that is the type of OS better for strong multimedia pulling apps
[23:51] <KM0201> bin_bash, if thats what you want... you could also download the ISO using a torrent then use the option to navigate to an ISO you've downloaded
[23:51] <aauthor> penguin42: http://paste.ubuntu.com/594987/
[23:52] <lcb> bin_bash, why 64? is that really what you want?
[23:52] <aauthor> KM0201: When did Ubuntu start doing that?  I've always had to manually install the pae on my x32 versions of Ubuntu.
[23:52] <bin_bash> lcb:  why not 64?
[23:53] <penguin42> aauthor: Are you sure that's the PAE kernel - I'd expected it to say
[23:53] <Arjen> Oh snap. That did not help me at all.
[23:53] <Arjen> I can't launch Chromium from the Unity bar either.
[23:53] <lcb> bin_bash, by the way, does that machine supports it, fully? (i mean about ram etc)
[23:53] <aauthor> penguin42: ...?
[23:53] <KM0201> aauthor, to my knowledge, it has always done it.
[23:53] <Arjen> It just blinks as if it's doing something, stays highlighted, and stops. No launching.
[23:53] <bin_bash> lcb:  yeah 4 gigs
[23:54] <thiebaude> then 64bit makes sense then,lol
[23:54] <lcb> bin_bash, go for it then. download latest release
[23:54] <thiebaude> :)
[23:54] <penguin42> aauthor: Doesn't look like that's the PAE kernel
[23:55] <lcb> Arjen, that's weird. did you --purge remove previous one?
[23:55] <Arjen> Yes
[23:56] <lcb> Arjen, everything launches well?
[23:56] <aauthor> penguin42: I ran "sudo apt-get install linux-generic-pae linux-headers-generic-pae" is there anything else that I need to do, so that I'll boot with the pae kernel?
[23:56] <Arjen> Chromium works
[23:56] <Arjen> But it won't launch from Unity - Same as Chrome
[23:56] <bin_bash> Hey guise
[23:56] <Arjen> However if I do it via the Ubuntu icon, then "browse the web", it boots up <1sec
[23:56] <bin_bash> Should I try the Alternate Intstall?
[23:56] <lcb> Arjen, can you elaborate a bit, pls
[23:56] <Arjen> I open Chrome(/ium)
[23:56] <lcb> Arjen, what you mean "from unity'?
[23:57] <Arjen> I sticky it on Unity
[23:57] <Arjen> The Unity bar. On the left.
[23:57] <Arjen> How should I be calling it?
[23:57] <penguin42> aauthor: I think I'd expect that to work, you could try running update-grub from a command line and see what it says, and also just check at the grub menu what options you have
[23:57] <bluefox83> i'd really like to make chromium browser my default browser, but that doesn't seem to be working out for me...is there a config file i can edit someplace where i can set the default?
[23:57] <lcb> Arjen, try, on CLI ' /usr/bin/chromium-browser %U '
[23:57] <KM0201> bin_bash, alternate install doesn't work from USB
[23:58] <bin_bash> KM0201:  okay forget that then
[23:58] <lcb> Arjen, you can call it whatever you want, as long as google ppl don't get offended :)
[23:58] <KM0201> bluefox83, just set chromium as default under preferred applications
[23:58] <KM0201> problem solved
[23:58] <Arjen> KM0201, bluefox83, I just did the same thing - it is default but it says it's not.
[23:59] <aauthor> penguin42: Thanks, I'm going to restart and see if the pae kernel pops up.  BRB
[23:59] <orgy> Arjen, I have chromium on my unity bar and it works fine. Are you running chromium stable or a daily build?
[23:59] <lcb> bluefox83, did you try "Preferred Applications"?
[23:59] <bluefox83> thank you, preferred apps worked fine...lol
[23:59] <bluefox83> i can't believe that didn't occur to me D:
[23:59] <lcb> :p