[04:23] <Logan_> rww: lmao, ubottu should be on some kind of whitelist for those flood bots
[04:24] <rww> Logan_: I'm pondering that, yes.
[04:25] <rww> Could've been worse. ubottu could have gotten k-lined :\
[04:26] <Logan_> omai, that would've been bad
[04:26] <rww> I would have giggled.
[04:40] <h00k> ^ me too.
[04:46] <rww> The extremely inaccurate calculation I just did based on visual inspection of http://status.nullcortex.com/other/other/ircbans-year.png says that we run out of banlist space in 7 months :D
[04:52] <elky> I think I might be able to pick the unbanpocalypse on that chart.
[04:53] <rww> can you figure out when I went on a poke-people-about-cleaning-bans spree? ;)
[04:53] <elky> heh
[04:53] <rww> (and started cleaning FloodBot bans, which is why the slope of the graph is a lot smaller now)
[04:53] <rww> well, one of the reasons
[07:35] <fisch246> i need advice from an op
[07:37] <fisch246> someone in my LoCo team has been going into #mac and #macosx several times, and ranting about mac, and he just got banned from one of the channels... i only just found out about this, and i know none of you can do anything about it, being as why i wanted advice... what should i do with him?
[07:38] <fisch246> i assume best thing to do is discuss it with my LoCo team leader?
[07:39] <Flannel> Talk to him about not doing it.  He's banned from their channels already, so that's a non-issue. If you're worried about that relationship, have your people talk to their people to make sure it's understood that you don't condone it and stuff.
[07:40] <fisch246> yea i've done all that
[07:40] <fisch246> did it all right away
[07:40] <tonyyarusso> Pretty much, yeah.  Gentle coaxing about how we can all get along is the best route.  :)
[07:41] <fisch246> mmk
[07:41] <fisch246> thanks
[07:42] <fisch246> i gave him a talk over in our LoCo team channel
[07:42] <fisch246> and talked to the people in the room he was banned from
[07:49] <mrmist> sounds liek you're already doing all you need
[07:50] <fisch246> hey... i do what i can for the Ubuntu community :)
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[07:53] <bazhang> perhaps offtopic?
[07:53] <tsimpson> bazhang: he was making fun of someone I think
[07:54] <bazhang> tsimpson, the subsequent comment was not acceptable imo
[07:54] <tsimpson> neither is making fun of a user
[07:57] <bazhang> they've moved it to -ot
[08:03] <bazhang> got dustin in PM
[09:02] <Jordan_U> TexasSam in #ubuntu is almost certainly a troll, but I'm too tired to op at the moment.
[09:16] <TexasSam> Hello. I wish to register a complaint. I have been kicked and banned from #ubuntu because of my religious faith
[09:17] <TexasSam> Is there a body or organization where I can register an official freenode complaint?
[09:17] <Jordan_U> !appeal | TexasSam
[09:18] <TexasSam> Ok. I will pursue this to its fullest extent. To be summarily banned for my religious beliefs is an outrage
[09:18] <TexasSam> It reflects badly on freenode, and Ubuntu itself
[09:20] <TexasSam> I think an investigation into the religious bigotry in #ubuntu, #ubuntu-offtopic, and #ubuntu-ops is well overdue
[09:20] <Jordan_U> TexasSam: You were not banned for your religious beliefs, you were banned for making intentionaly offensive comments for the purpose of provoking conflict.
[09:21] <Jordan_U> !guidelines | TexasSam
[09:21] <TexasSam> I did no so such thing. I enquired whether a certain type of application was available
[09:22] <TexasSam> Before that I enquired as to whether a Christian version of Ubuntu existed
[09:22] <TexasSam> If the Koran burning program exists in Windows, what is offensive about asking if it exists in Linux?
[09:24] <mrmist> TexasSam: Maybe give http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#offtopic and our other network policies a read and consider whether your choice of language and questions are appropriate for this network.
[09:25] <TexasSam> I shall do so immediately.
[09:26] <mrmist> Note that since this in an ubuntu channel I'm not going to debate network policy here.  If you want to do so, you can talk in /msg with myself or any other staffer. (Though I'll be leaving soon.)
[09:26] <TexasSam> I thank you
[09:38] <elky> ...
[09:39] <elky> I'm so glad i'm on an i-just-moved-and-am-stuck-on-crappy-internet break
[10:03] <bazhang> heh
[10:40] <topyli> happy holidays :)'
[10:40] <Tm_T> huh?
[10:55] <cdbs> wha?
[10:56] <Tm_T> weh?
[10:56] <cdbs> who?
[10:56] <cdbs> :)
[13:16] <ikonia> slow, sorry
[13:22] <ikonia> staff informed
[14:19] <bazhang> he's been told half a dozen times natty is not in #ubuntu
[14:30] <ikonia> !shipit
[14:30] <ikonia> excellent, that's up to date
[14:31] <bazhang> he's been spreading mis info before
[18:26] <ikonia> I'd already pm'd him IdleOne ;)
[18:26] <IdleOne> hardcode?
[18:27] <ikonia> logan
[18:27] <ikonia> pfifo: hello
[18:27] <IdleOne> ikonia: ah ok.
[18:27] <pfifo> ha, theres a ops as well
[18:27] <IdleOne> there is
[18:28] <ikonia> ?
[18:28] <IdleOne> pfifo: was there something you needed ?
[18:28] <pfifo> no, is this a as needed chan?
[18:28] <IdleOne> yes it is
[18:28] <IdleOne> thank you
[18:30]  * LjL just points out that hardcode wasn't asking a question anymore, but merely describing how they solved their problem
[18:30]  * ikonia points out it was a.) offtopic and just celebrating he'd got it working b.) still about 11.04
[18:32] <LjL> yeah well that surely deserves a ban more than repeated spammers who repeatedly just get a kick do *rolleyes*
[18:32] <ikonia> I'd already spoken to him a few times about it
[18:33] <ikonia> hence why an hour or two ban from ubuntu should make it clear #ubuntu+1 is the place he should be talking
[18:33] <ikonia> which he already new as he'd been getting support in there
[18:34] <ikonia> "knew" even
[18:53] <ikonia> perscitus pm'ing me with insults now :)
[20:33] <rww> odd. Superstar_ apparently CTCP spammed me a little about three and a half hours ago.
[20:46]  * rww increments the idoru questionable decision counter
[20:47] <rww> !crossposting > SMG
[20:50] <rww> I note that if I sat in #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic and kickbanned people without warning for crossposting, this would probably not be considered very good catalysing.
[20:53] <rww> I'm strongly considering asking IRCC to ask freenode to remove idoru from our channels until they get its false-positive rate down to acceptable levels, and leave it out of #ubuntu because we have our own bots that work better than it.
[20:58] <topyli> rww: someone already did that
[20:59] <topyli> (the request)
[20:59] <topyli> (today)
[21:00] <Flannel> rww: That means you're a second for the motion! Now we can vote!
[21:00] <topyli> can we also friend people?
[21:01] <topyli> ubuntu 2.0 :)
[21:01] <Flannel> topyli: No.  Operators aren't allowed friends.
[21:01] <topyli> oh yeah, sorry :)
[21:03] <topyli> Flannel: got time for a short pm?
[21:03] <Flannel> topyli: Always
[21:03] <Flannel> well, I suppose I don't always have time, but my query windows are alway open!
[21:03] <Flannel> I do have time right now though
[21:14] <nhandler> rww: Keep in mind, many of these people would still end up getting killed for sending the message to multiple channels even without idoru in the channel.
[21:15] <rww> nhandler: If there are other processes freenode has in place that behave the same, I also think they're a bad idea ;P
[21:16] <rww> topyli: good, that saves me some time. Do y'all want an irc-council@ email from me anyway, or shall I just leave it?
[21:17] <nhandler> rww: That wasn't what I meant. I meant that idoru is in other channels. So if a user sends the message to #a, #b, #c, #ubuntu and idoru is only in #a, #b, #c, they might still get killed even if we were to remove it from #ubuntu
[21:17] <rww> nhandler: Ah. I'm aware of that, yes.
[21:18] <rww> One hopes that channels like #ubuntu requesting it be removed would cause idoru's maintainers to take a look at its sensitivity.
[21:20] <rww> It seems to be worse now than it used to be, so either my perception is inaccurate (quite possible), or there's some changes/settings that could be reverted that would improve the situation.
[21:20] <nhandler> rww: We constantly review who is getting killed by it (and why) and have been adjusting it as we gather more data. The hard part is, many people only see 1 innocent message from a user and an idoru kill. They might not realize that this message is being sent to a dozen other channels (which turns the innocent question into not so innocent spam)
[21:21] <nhandler> rww: Nothing significant has changed recently in idoru
[21:31] <rww> nhandler: I mean over the past few months, not days :\
[21:32] <rww> but yeah, I might just be paying more attention now, since I started opping
[22:35] <tonyyarusso> Flannel: You don't vote after a motion is seconded.  A second makes it open for debate.
[22:36] <Flannel> tonyyarusso: Not if we're motioning to close debate!
[22:36] <tonyyarusso> But his motion clearly was not formatted in such a way as to suggest that.
[22:36] <Flannel> tonyyarusso: His was a second, we don't know what the original motion was
[22:37] <tonyyarusso> Besides, the chair would have had to rule the motion in order before it could be seconded anyway.
[23:31] <bazhang> release W; warty waspnest
[23:31] <rww> Weeping Wastrel
[23:50] <topyli> :[
[23:55] <popey> i say it "rah"