[16:28] <Nivex> xubuntu-desktop seems to recommend an awful lot of gnome-* packages
[16:29] <holstein> uses the gnome network manager
[16:29] <holstein> lots of gnome tools acutally
[16:29] <holstein> its GTK too right?
[16:29] <Nivex> yes xfce is gtk based
[16:30] <holstein> we are entertaining moving ubuntustudio to XFCE
[16:30] <holstein> i think its going to happen
[16:30] <holstein> i like the idea actually
[16:30] <holstein> but it does seem like a step backwards kinda
[16:30] <holstein> as far as feeling modern
[16:32] <Nivex> xfce 4.8 has made some strides forward
[17:05] <Nivex> one thing I don't like about greybird (xubuntu default theme): It's not readily apparent which window has focus
[17:08] <Nivex> nice, you can change the window manager appearance without having to change the rest of the theme
[17:08] <Nivex> (since the rest of greybird is growing on me)