[11:29] <JonathanD> Morning
[12:33] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[13:49] <jedijf> @later tell Mutantturkey PACS today !!
[13:49] <PennBot> jedijf: The operation succeeded.
[13:50] <teddy-dbear> I here already :-D
[14:09] <sor4you> hello does anyone know compiz on here?
[14:09] <sor4you> i am new to linux and want to learn
[14:11] <sor4you> anyone
[14:12] <jedijf> sor4you: what's up...compiz settings
[14:12] <sor4you> dude i just want to know what it is
[14:12] <sor4you> first
[14:12] <sor4you> i am new to linux
[14:13] <sor4you> what type of laptop should i have to run compiz smoothly
[14:13] <sor4you> ive seen it but i dont know if it comes with ubuntu or its a program or what
[14:13] <sor4you> i assume you are running ubuntu
[14:14] <sor4you> what edition?
[14:15] <jedijf> sor4you: i recommend just get started!!! best way to learn...use whatever you currently have, dl latest ubuntu LIVE cd and get busy
[14:16] <jedijf> they way to see if your hardware can handle desktop effects is to go to System-Preferences-Appearance-Visual Effects and see how 'deep' your hardware can go
[14:17] <sor4you> so compiz is part of ubuntu?
[14:17] <jedijf> yes
[14:17] <sor4you> where is it located
[14:17] <jedijf> are you in ubuntu now
[14:18] <sor4you> no
[14:18] <sor4you> do u dual boot?
[14:18] <jedijf> no...lol. i /only/ boot Ubuntu
[14:18] <sor4you> do you do virtualbox?
[14:19] <jedijf> i do lots of thing
[14:19] <jedijf> s
[14:19] <jedijf> virtualbox is no good for
[14:19] <sor4you> can i run every program on my windows in virtualbox?
[14:20] <sor4you> like im a musician and use finale can i run that in virtualbox?
[14:20] <jedijf> if you want to play with linux and are a little timid at this point, dl livecd..
[14:20] <sor4you> are u running a desktop or laptop
[14:20] <jedijf> put it in cd player while in windows
[14:20] <jedijf> and choose 'install inside windows'
[14:20] <jedijf> i run it on everything......
[14:21] <jedijf> netbook, laptop,desktops,little im devices
[14:21] <sor4you> in order for me to run at top speed on a laptop what kind of system should i have
[14:21] <sor4you> i5 i7
[14:21] <sor4you> 6 gb 8 gb
[14:21] <jedijf> doesn't matter
[14:22] <sor4you> what about wine?
[14:22] <jedijf> run it on whatever you have and play with it, this is starting to get circular, NIKE - just do it
[14:22] <sor4you> you know how to run fame in wine?
[14:22] <jedijf> i don't play games
[14:22] <sor4you> oh does anyone on here play games in linux?
[14:23] <sor4you> should i be looking at a different distro?
[14:23] <sor4you> one more thing how would i learn code?
[14:23] <anduril> sor4you pick up a book and start playing
[14:24] <sor4you> what book?
[14:24] <anduril> depends on what language you want to learn
[14:24] <sor4you> really
[14:24] <sor4you> its all different?
[14:24] <anduril> really doesnt matter you just have to get comfortable with the syntax and usage of the language then you start trying to scratch an itch for a program you want or a bug you find
[14:25] <sor4you> so debian isnt different in running a search on your system than say ubuntu
[14:25] <anduril> ubuntu is built off of debian but its going depend upon how you want to search. run find or locate from terminal? same thing. using a GUI search could use tracker or beagle and be completely different
[14:26] <sor4you> whats GUI?
[14:26] <anduril> the visual interface
[14:26] <sor4you> on u have gui on every linux?
[14:27] <sor4you> every distro i mean
[14:27] <anduril> yes and no. install gentoo or arch and you wont have a GUI at the start :) otherwise most people use a GUI except on servers
[14:27] <sor4you> oh its at the start
[14:28] <sor4you> what would you call a gui in windows?
[14:28] <jedijf> windows
[14:28] <anduril> ...windows
[14:28] <sor4you> ahhh
[14:28] <anduril> You can install a Windows 2k8 server without a GUI but its not that fun
[14:28] <sor4you> lol
[14:28] <sor4you> yeah it would be like running DOS
[14:29] <JonathanD> Not quite.
[14:29] <JonathanD> it'll still launch gui apps.
[14:29] <sor4you> i saw there is a page that tells you how compatible your system is to linux
[14:30] <jedijf> http://live.linux-gamers.net/
[14:30] <PennBot> Title: live.linux-gamers.net (at live.linux-gamers.net)
[14:31] <sor4you> can you tell me the best way to open windows on linux
[14:32] <sor4you> vmware or wine or virtualbox
[14:32] <JonathanD> wine if it works.
[14:32] <sor4you> im  musician running finale
[14:32] <JonathanD> vmware or virtualbox if not.
[14:32] <anduril> wine will run games and some apps but its not running windows. vmware or vb will both work
[14:32] <sor4you> ok well i will need programs like finale to run on linux
[14:33] <anduril> you can check compatability with windows programs look on winehq.com
[14:33] <sor4you> now everytime i close vmware will my windows files erase?
[14:33] <JonathanD> no...
[14:33] <sor4you> which do you recommend dual boot or virtualization?
[14:33] <anduril> depends on the situation
[14:33] <sor4you> do you dual boot at all?
[14:34] <anduril> I used to. now I have a seperate machine running linux and my main machine runs Win7
[14:35] <sor4you> do you recommend having two machines?
[14:36] <teddy-dbear> the only way to go :-[
[14:37] <sor4you> so whats the point of having linux then if you are always going to have to depend on windows>?
[14:38] <anduril> you dont
[14:38] <anduril> depends on what you want to do
[14:38] <sor4you> how do you justify having two machines then
[14:38] <anduril> I love blinky lights
[14:38] <sor4you> do you think it will be faster to have two machines instead of dual boot?
[14:39] <anduril> try it for yourself and see what you prefer
[14:40] <anduril> Linux is like a pair of shoes. You have to try them to see how they work and some will suck and some will be awesome but too expensive (time consuming) just play around, learn and find out
[14:40] <sor4you> will dual boot run my system slower
[14:41] <anduril> it wont make a difference in day to day speed outside of rebooting
[14:43] <sor4you> what if my some of my hardware isnt recognized?
[14:43] <anduril> then you either spend the time to get it to work or stick with windows until you get a machine better supported
[14:45] <JonathanD> I've been playing with andlinux on win7.
[14:46] <JonathanD> which is reasonably decent.
[14:48] <ChinnoDog> sor4you: what version of finale do you run?
[14:50] <sor4you> 2010
[14:50] <sor4you> why you want it?
[14:51] <ChinnoDog> I was checking the compatibility reports on the codeweavers site. They are the publishers of Crossover Office, a managed build of wine
[14:52] <ChinnoDog> Often times things work on Crossover before they work on the open source version of WINE
[14:52] <ChinnoDog> (Though it isn't hard to get a free Crossover license if you want it)
[14:52] <ChinnoDog> The newest one they have a compatibility report for is 2008. That doesn't mean 2010 doesn't work, just that no one has reported if it does
[14:52] <sor4you> oh well im still on windows chinodog but thank you so much for doing that
[14:53] <sor4you> yeah
[14:53] <sor4you> man well i should have done that
[14:53] <sor4you> but now i know
[14:53] <sor4you> im gonna go study this linux bible and try to educate myself some more before i pester yall anymore i appreciate the help though thank you
[14:54] <ChinnoDog> wait
[14:54] <ChinnoDog> I can help answer another question you had
[14:54] <ChinnoDog> You want to run compiz. Do you know what type of video card you have in your computer?
[14:54] <sor4you> yeah
[14:54] <sor4you> ati
[14:54] <ChinnoDog> a recent model?
[14:55] <sor4you> 2005...
[14:55] <ChinnoDog> That will run compiz just fine
[14:55] <ChinnoDog> ATI is fine as long as it isn't from.. 1995?  haha
[14:56] <ChinnoDog> Dual boot is best if you want to run Ubuntu natively
[14:56] <sor4you> what about having a seperate machine
[14:56] <sor4you> would that optimally run best
[14:56] <ChinnoDog> Second best is.. now I forget what it is called.  It creates a file in the Windows file system and uses it as a hard drive, but it isn't a virtual machine
[14:56] <sor4you> on a seperate machine?
[14:57] <ChinnoDog> Yes, if you don't want to use your main computer
[14:57] <sor4you> well i want it run as fast as possible
[14:57] <ChinnoDog> You will get the best video support with an nvidia or ati card
[14:57] <sor4you> if i can do so with a dual boot then fine
[14:58] <ChinnoDog> Using dual boot won't make it run any slower, it will just prevent you from running Windows and Ubuntu at the same time
[14:58] <sor4you> what is gui?
[14:58] <PennBot> hmm... gui is a river in china, sor4you
[14:58] <teddy-dbear> wubi
[14:58] <sor4you> thanks
[14:58] <sor4you> preciate it
[14:59] <ChinnoDog> thanks teddy-dbear. wubi lets you install into a file in the Windows file system.
[14:59] <ChinnoDog> sor4you: GUI is a graphical user interface, like Windows Explorer
[14:59] <sor4you> ah
[14:59] <ChinnoDog> (NOT Internet Explorer)
[14:59] <sor4you> no i know
[14:59] <sor4you> the window
[14:59] <sor4you> that opens
[15:00] <sor4you> hey chinodog can i find you on here often in case i need some help later on
[15:00] <ChinnoDog> In linux the GUI is a separate program, in Windows it is part of the operating system
[15:00] <ChinnoDog> I live here.
[15:01] <sor4you> in this chat room? ha! thats funny
[15:01] <ChinnoDog> Yup. Most of us are always here because we run irssi on a server or on a workstation that never gets disconnected from the internet.
[15:02] <sor4you> ah interesting
[15:02] <sor4you> well hey one more thing this mirc im using is gonna expire
[15:02] <ChinnoDog> haha.  mIRC...
[15:02] <sor4you> how do i keep from getting expired?
[15:02] <sor4you> is there a crack or something
[15:02] <anduril> buy it
[15:02] <ChinnoDog> Pay for it?  Or, use a different IRC client.  ChatZilla is nice in Windows.
[15:03] <sor4you> i see, is chatzilla free?
[15:03] <ChinnoDog> Or set up ubuntu on another computer and use irssi
[15:03] <sor4you> where is irssi in my ubuntu desktop?
[15:03] <ChinnoDog> irssi is a terminal application you can use by connecting to it from your windows computer
[15:04] <ChinnoDog> It might be too advanced for you though, sor4you
[15:04] <sor4you> irssi?
[15:04] <PennBot> It has been said that irssi is what I used to use... before I tried WeeChat, sor4you
[15:04] <ChinnoDog> Chatzilla is free.  It is a FireFox plugin but there is a way to run it without FireFox on Windows i think
[15:04] <sor4you> weechat is free?
[15:05] <sor4you> dont they all lead you to here though
[15:05] <ChinnoDog> yes, irssi. To use irssi you need to know some command line basics and using the interface involves hotkeys and commands
[15:05] <sor4you> i dont see how they are different
[15:05] <teddy-dbear> pidgin
[15:06] <ChinnoDog> irssi, pidgin, and mIRC are all IRC clients. Their features differ.
[15:07] <anduril> xchat is comparable to mIRC on *nix
[15:10] <sor4you> i got one thanks guys
[15:10] <sor4you> u are all male i assume
[15:11] <ChinnoDog> lol
[15:11] <ChinnoDog> I am, but it is bad to assume
[15:12] <sor4you> well im just saying the hottest girl on the internet runs linux www.nixiepixel.com and she has a crusade with ubuntu
[15:13] <sor4you> ok ill see yall real soon enjoy nixie she is scorching cute and smart!
[15:19] <anduril> so how old do you think sor4you was?
[15:20] <ChinnoDog> we should take bets
[15:46] <ChinnoDog> anduril: How old do you think? It is a hard call.
[15:46] <anduril> I'd say 13 or 14
[15:47] <ChinnoDog> He knows too much about things I wouldn't expect someone that young to know about
[15:47] <ChinnoDog> I'm going to guess 18.
[15:52] <anduril> I dunno, he knew about programs that are pretty commonly talked about but didnt know what a GUI was or how to learn to "code"
[15:52] <anduril> or how to crack mIRC which was pretty easily done...14yrs ago? :)
[15:55] <ChinnoDog> true, but he is a musician
[15:55] <anduril> lies. Artistic people only use macs
[15:55] <anduril> 0_o
[15:56] <ChinnoDog> Maybe he is a poor musician that can't afford a mac
[15:56] <anduril> You made that no fun
[15:56] <ChinnoDog> But then enters another problem. He seemed to indicate a couple times he could just make hardware appear.
[15:56] <ChinnoDog> sorry. lol
[15:57] <ChinnoDog> If you can just make hardware appear then you are either old enough to have resources or young enough to expect someone else to provide everything
[15:59] <ChinnoDog> idk where idiolizing women in Ubuntu falls
[16:01] <ChinnoDog> pleia2: do you have any insight?
[16:05] <IdleOne> depends what you mean by idolizing
[16:05] <IdleOne> I look it up to several of the women in the Ubuntu community
[16:05] <IdleOne> I look up yo*
[16:06] <IdleOne> errr
[16:06] <IdleOne> to*
[16:06] <ChinnoDog> 10:13  sor4you well im just saying the hottest girl on  the internet runs linux www.nixiepixel.com and  she has a crusade with ubuntu
[16:06] <ChinnoDog> Do you ever say things like that?
[16:06] <IdleOne> I don't
[16:07] <IdleOne> most women would rather be idolized for their accomplishments and not looks
[16:07] <ChinnoDog> He either doesn't know that or does not care about being PC
[16:07] <IdleOne> it's not like we go around saying oh look at jono he is so hot and he works for Canonical
[16:11] <IdleOne> ChinnoDog: I think the best thing is that if he comes back and makes comments like that we can point him to the !guidelines and !codeofconduct and maybe #ubuntu-women if he needs more explaining
[16:12] <ChinnoDog> haha. #ubuntu-women? What is going to happen if he starts saying things like that in there?
[16:12] <IdleOne> he will be directed to some links about women in computing and respect
[16:13] <IdleOne> the people there are not crazy fanatical types.
[16:14] <IdleOne> boils down to being respectful towards everybody not because we say so but because it's the right thing to do.
[16:16] <ChinnoDog> I wasn't trying to say anything about its appropriateness, just that he said it and that it is a factor in calculating his age
[16:16] <IdleOne> how so?
[16:17] <IdleOne> I don't sexism and ignorance have an age limit
[16:17] <IdleOne> I don't think*
[16:18] <ChinnoDog> Well, imho it makes him either too young to know better or old enough to know better but not care. That means he probably isn't in the middle where he knows better but does not have the guts to challenge etiquete
[16:18] <ChinnoDog> .. just a guess
[16:19] <IdleOne> I suppose you can tell a persons age by the language used and typing style
[16:19] <ChinnoDog> There are algorithms out there that do that. We need a plugin for PennBot so we can ask him how old people are.
[16:20] <IdleOne> hehe
[16:21] <IdleOne> PennBot: wake up
[16:21] <PennBot> No idea, IdleOne.
[16:21] <IdleOne> didn't think so
[16:44] <ChinnoDog> PennBot: IdleOne?
[16:44] <PennBot> Rumor has it IdleOne is awesomeness wrapped in bacon and deep fried in a gallon of lard or a three-decker sauerkraut and toadstool sandwich - with arsenic SAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCEEEEEEEEE, ChinnoDog
[16:44] <ChinnoDog> lol
[16:52] <TheEvilPhoenix> PennBot: lol?
[16:52] <PennBot> I WILL SHOOT YOU. I WILL SHOOT YOU IN THE FACE
[16:57] <IdleOne> PennBot: ChinnoDog ?
[16:57] <PennBot> It has been said that ChinnoDog is trying to install my company's product in cxoffice again. This will never work. hehe or is, and has always been, 3 days late or someone who doesn't care much about the less fortunate or "I think I have a plan for a workaround." or a Windows expert, IdleOne
[16:58] <IdleOne> haha
[16:58] <ChinnoDog> workarounds++
[17:00] <IdleOne> PennBot: pleia2 ?
[17:00] <PennBot> pleia2 is never coming home or an intarwebz celebrity or a boozer or an old lady or OOOLLLDDDD or a l33t h4x0r d00d or a fat dude in a wifebeater that the real pleia2 pays to go on the internet for her or a pepperoni vegetarian, IdleOne
[17:06] <TheEvilPhoenix> o.o
[19:40] <JonathanD> Heh.
[19:40] <teddy-dbear> hi jon
[19:40] <JonathanD> Hi teddy-dbear
[19:41] <teddy-dbear> tab fail
[20:04] <teddy-dbear> time to go home
[22:46] <InHisName> wow all that long talking was during pacs and stopped just as we ended.
[22:47] <InHisName> Whew! after 23 reboots and attempts, I finally got the CD to boot up.   Still don't know what I did or what was wrong.
[22:48] <InHisName> Installing now.
[23:24] <InHisName> Well, I've booted into new linux server system.
[23:25] <InHisName> Selected to install DNS & SSH,  I guess they're working OK, don't see any errors on screen at present.