[00:26] <Fudge> hi guys whats the easiest way to install 4.8 into maverick or lucid? i dont think its in backports yet
[00:27] <charlie-tca> Officially, it is not supported at all
[00:28] <Fudge> :( im trying to debug thunar with orca to see why its not talking and was suggested to build it from git which ive done but i just get error server already running
[00:28] <charlie-tca> We can't add it in backports until Xubuntu 11.04 releases, since backports is things in the stable release, being added to previous releases
[00:29] <charlie-tca> There is a ppa, but I don't think it was kept up to date
[00:30] <charlie-tca> What server is orca looking at? Is that the sound server, by chance?
[00:33] <Fudge> no orca isnt a factor yet, its when i run startx -- :1 vt12
[00:33] <Fudge> /usr/local/bin/startxfce4: X server already running on display :1
[00:34] <charlie-tca> ah, I see
[00:34] <Fudge> everything built right that i grabbed from git and i also have xfce 4.6.2 installed, should i remove that?
[00:34] <charlie-tca> I don't think there is any way to put xfce4.8 into lucid and maverick yet without compiling it
[00:35] <charlie-tca> I don't honestly know.
[00:36]  * Fudge nods, i have cmpiled it from git
[00:36] <drc> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/01/xfce-48-ubuntu-1004-and-1010-ppas.html was this ppa you were taling about?
[00:36] <charlie-tca> yes,
[00:36] <drc> If so, it worked as of a month ago.
[00:37] <charlie-tca> as far as I know, they were not kept up to day. They are Xfce 4.8.0
[00:37] <Fudge> to current release?
[00:38] <charlie-tca> There were both created by non-xubuntu, non-xfce folks for 4.8 in maverick and lucid
[00:42] <Fudge> ya
[00:44] <Fudge> i grabbed the source
[00:45] <Fudge> well i think i did, xfce-4.8.tar.bz2
[00:46] <charlie-tca> Fudge: you probably know better than I do, but do you have to rm the old session in ~/.config/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml ?
[00:46] <charlie-tca> Won't that let the server start?
[00:46] <Fudge> no idea mate, i dont know better than you :D
[00:46] <charlie-tca> That looks right to me for the source
[00:47] <charlie-tca> I am not sure, but I think you can remove xfwm4-session.xml there to start the server again.
[00:48] <charlie-tca> Got to go eat now. Good luck
[00:50] <Fudge> thanx dude
[01:33] <charlie-tca> Wish I could help more with that error. When I got that, I deleted the whole ~/.config and ~/.cache to clear it. Then a reboot worked.
[01:34] <charlie-tca> Fudge: check ~/.dmrc and make sure it is owned by you, not root
[01:38] <charlie-tca> hm, I done something wrong with xchat and lost the menu
[01:40] <drc> f9
[01:40] <charlie-tca> nope
[01:40] <charlie-tca> didn't bring it back
[01:41] <drc> ctrl f9 ?
[01:41] <charlie-tca> windows key+F9
[01:41] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[01:42] <charlie-tca> got me in the right direction anyway
[01:42] <charlie-tca> Now I am going away for a night
[01:42] <drc> funny the menu says ctrl + f9, but only f9 works for me
[01:42] <charlie-tca> only one that works here is left-window+F9
[01:43] <drc> Anyway, have a nice night
[01:43] <charlie-tca> Okay, take it back. Now F9 is working too
[01:43] <charlie-tca> anyway, good night
[01:45] <Fudge> :D
[04:23] <ubuxubu> what does failed to mount drivemean?
[07:39] <metroid1> anybody using 11.04 with a nvidia card?
[07:40] <Sysi> try #ubuntu+1
[07:40] <keb> lol dont tell me there are problems with old nvidia again
[07:42] <metroid1> keb, i think there may be but i would like to see if anyone else is experiencing it
[10:24] <buff27> my wireless on my netbook doesn't autoconnect to my home network until I select it, how do i make it connect automatically on bootup?
[10:29] <TheSheep> buff27: check the 'connect automatically' checkbox in the 'edit connections' dialog
[10:34] <buff27> is that in Xubuntu?
[10:35] <Sysi> yes, right click on the panel applet → edit connections
[10:37] <buff27> oh! I was trying to right click the wifi SSID
[10:38] <buff27> arrr look at that... I love xubuntu
[10:39] <buff27> don't like the direction on ubuntu and gnome/unity
[10:40] <buff27> thanks TheSheep and Sysi
[10:44] <zeus> hi all, народ тут нужна ваша помощь немогу найти индикатор расскладки, точнее его нет. помогите кто сталкивался (xubuntu 11.04)
[10:44] <knome> !ru | zeus
[11:17] <jussi> knome: ping
[12:46] <bilal03> hello
[12:47] <bilal03> i got problem with my dpkg see at http://paste.ubuntu.com/594806/
[12:47] <bilal03> anybody for help?? plzZz
[12:48] <Sysi> do what it says
[12:49] <bilal03> http://paste.ubuntu.com/594806/ look here
[12:49] <Sysi> there i got "it"
[12:50] <Sysi> "you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem"
[12:50] <bilal03> i run it
[12:50] <bilal03> and results are also there
[12:50] <Sysi> hrm
[12:51] <Sysi> (i'm blind)
[12:51] <bilal03> how can i fix it??
[12:53] <bilal03> any idea??
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[12:54] <Sysi> idk, seems pretty broken
[12:54] <Sysi> installing still gives same error?
[12:55] <bilal03> yes
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[13:22] <amybunny> morning, folks.
[13:37] <amybunny> what does LTS stand for?
[13:41] <ArjenTM> Long Term Support
[13:42] <amybunny> thanks
[18:00] <Plox> guys, any of you awake?
[18:00] <ThinkT510> i am
[18:00] <drc> nope, after story time is naptime
[18:00] <Plox> I just installed Xubuntu 11.04 beta 2
[18:00] <Plox> and deja dup
[18:00] <Plox> but apparantly, it doesn't save my settings
[18:00] <Plox> GLib-GIO-Message: Using the 'memory' GSettings backend.  Your settings will not be saved or shared with other applications.
[18:01] <Plox> most likely due to this, but I don't quite get how to fix it
[18:01] <Plox> I've been googling some, but without many helpfull results
[18:04] <drc> 10.10 or 11.04b?
[18:05] <Plox> like I said, 11.04b
[18:05] <drc> Yeah, my bad, I was googling instead of reading :)
[18:06] <drc> and I assume the version of deja dup is 18.1.1-0ubuntu1?
[18:06] <Plox> :)
[18:06] <Plox> yep
[18:11] <drc> Plox: My google-fu is weak today also :(
[18:11] <Plox> good it's not just me being a giant retard then :D
[18:13] <drc> And I've tried several search criteria...
[18:13] <drc> The closest I've come is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/757866
[18:14] <Plox> yeah, I saw that one to
[18:18]  * drc hates having done a google search of <anything> and having links from 2006 show up as the number one match :(
[18:35] <PauseBazinga> Running live Xubuntu 11.04 b2 on a dual monitor desktop.  Feels great, but I can't find the option to span/entend the desktop across both monitors instead of clone/mirror them.  Any suggestions?
[18:36] <TheSheep> !dual
[18:37] <PauseBazinga> what's that sheep?
[18:37] <PauseBazinga> not dual?
[18:37] <TheSheep> !dual monitors
[18:37] <PauseBazinga> right
[18:37] <PauseBazinga> except...i already have them?
[18:37] <TheSheep> that page has some information about different possible setups
[18:38] <PauseBazinga> the documentation for Xfce claims that there is an option in the Display dialog
[18:38] <PauseBazinga> ok, checking the link
[18:38] <PauseBazinga> Mr. Bot ftw
[18:38] <TheSheep> first time I hear about such an option
[18:38] <TheSheep> maybe in the new soon-t-be-released one
[18:39] <PauseBazinga> it's for the recently released 4.8 version of Xfce
[18:41] <drc> Question on partitions and reinstalls:  If one has a separate / and /home partitions, and does a fresh reinstall (formating / but without formating /home), does the re-install install new configurations in ~, overwriting any changes you made (for example, but not limited to: ~/.config/Thunar/thunarrc) ?
[18:46] <TheSheep> PauseBazinga: next xubuntu will have it, in a month
[18:46] <TheSheep> drc: the installer shouldn't touch /home
[18:47] <TheSheep> drc: but the newly installed thunar might when it is first started
[18:47] <PauseBazinga> right, I'm using the most recent (beta 2) and was hoping they'd implemented it already.  I guess there's still some trouble getting it ready, I'll see what happens with the final release.  Thanks for looking it up for me.
[18:47] <TheSheep> !+1
[18:47] <drc> TheSheep: Thank you
[18:47] <TheSheep> !ubuntu+1
[18:48] <TheSheep> PauseBazinga: they might know there
[18:48] <PauseBazinga> oh nice, I didn't realize there was a separate unstable channel
[18:48] <PauseBazinga> thanks again
[19:14] <PauseBazinga> TheSheep:  in case you care, I found a work-around on a RandR 1.2 wiki.  It's easily done, but only via the command line.  This command worked flawlessly to span the desktop across two 20" monitors:  xrandr --output DVI-1 --auto --right-of DVI-0
[19:20] <dannyd> hi all, can someone please tell me if i can open a new tab using thunar?
[19:25] <drc> dannyd: I can't find a way, and a quick perusal of google doesn't find one.
[19:25] <TheSheep> dannyd: you can't, thunar doesn't have tabs, you can open a new window
[19:26] <TheSheep> dannyd: you might try pcman if you really absolutely need tabs
[19:28] <dannyd> TheSheep: ok thanks, i think im going to try pcman,,
[19:29] <dannyd> i like tabs :)
[19:29] <Unit193> Do you mean pcmanfm?
[19:32] <dannyd> yes, having just started using linux i am used to nautilus, and was quite happy with xfce, until i found out thunar had no tabs :(
[19:34] <Plox> damn
[19:34] <Plox> this deja dup bug is annoying me :/
[19:35] <dannyd> apt-get purge thunar\n apt-get autoremove\n <--- will that completely get rid of thunar?
[19:36] <Plox> does anyone know why this
[19:36] <Plox> GLib-GIO-Message: Using the 'memory' GSettings backend.  Your settings will not be saved or shared with other applications.
[19:37] <Plox> shows up when Is tart deja dup, and it doesn't save any settings so I can't set up automated backups?
[19:37] <Plox> deja dup 18.1.1
[19:37] <Plox> and xubuntu 11.04b
[19:40] <dannyd> how do i configure pcmanfm to be the default using xfce-settings?
[19:57] <dannyd> I just made a change to the menu.xml file, is there some command i can use to restart the service?
[20:00] <dannyd> without having to restart my computer?, can i just log out and log back in?
[20:11] <bou> seems i've lost the menu on the top of desktop
[20:11] <bou> installed last December on an HP computer
[20:12] <bou> only way to access the programs is with the right button
[20:15] <bou> found it press Alt+F2 .. and in the box that appears type xfce4-panel
[20:26] <inaety> Hi all.  I know I can switch among workspaces using ctrl+FN but does anyone know how I can change that?
[20:37] <drc> inaety: Change it how?  BTW, CTRL+ALT+right/left arrow also works (and wraps around to boot :)
[20:37] <inaety> drc, i actually cant get it to wrap
[20:38] <inaety> but i figured it out Settings > window manager > keyboard > change desktop.  my stupid laptop makes me use an Fn key to access the F keys. so I made it Super>N. works so well
[20:38] <drc> inaety: Insert the standard response...works here.
[20:39] <inaety> drc, haha its not something im gonna worry over
[20:40] <drc> inaety: Also see Window Manager> Advanced> Wrap Workspaces
[20:41] <inaety> drc, nothing
[20:42] <drc> 10.10 or 11.04b2?  May be different, dunno (xfce 4.6 vs 4.8)
[20:43] <inaety> ah
[20:43] <inaety> 10.10 but unofficially updated to 4.8
[20:44] <drc> I'm running 11.04b2...the xfce 4.8 should be the same (?)
[20:44] <inaety> yeah
[20:45] <inaety> my guess is that that its something with ubuntu
[20:45] <inaety> not xfce
[20:45] <inaety> what are you options under Wrap Workspaces
[20:45] <drc> bith unchecked
[20:46] <drc> both, that is
[20:46] <inaety> same
[20:46] <inaety> i dunno, im way satisfied with super>N
[20:47] <inaety> you should try it if youre not on a mac
[20:47] <drc> Check Window Manager Tweaks> workspaces ?
[20:48] <drc> I'm satisfied with a mouse click or CA-rt/lft arrow
[20:48] <inaety> where is Window Manager Tweaks
[20:49] <drc> Settings Manager, between Window Manager and Workspaces
[20:51] <inaety> nice find@
[20:51] <inaety> !
[20:51] <inaety> Wrap workspaces when the firstr or last workspace is reached
[20:52] <drc> inaety: I have broken this box so many times and in so many ways (and gotten help here) that I know where lots of things are (using them correctly is another matter)
[20:53] <inaety> drc, haha man be careful
[20:53] <drc> Careful? Moi?
[20:54] <drc> Everything in excess...moderation is for monks!
[20:55] <inaety> can't argue with that
[20:55] <drc> you can, but I'll put you on /ignore
[20:55] <drc> ask my wife
[20:56] <knome> am i sensing an offtopic discussion? while random chatter is very much encouraged, we have #xubuntu-offtopic for that :)
[20:57]  * drc is properly chastised...
[21:01] <rklapp> hello
[21:02] <rklapp> I'm trying to work around the Too Many Connections bug when I activate the nvidia drivers.
[21:03] <rklapp> I've been told to backup my xorg.conf file, activate the driver, then revert to backup.
[21:03] <rklapp> When I look for the file in X11 folder, it's not there until after I activate.
[21:03] <rklapp> Any suggestions? TIA
[21:03] <Unit193> It may be in your /home/you/xorg.conf.new
[21:04] <rklapp> No, didn't see it there.
[21:04] <Unit193> Sorry, wrong answer
[21:05] <Unit193> You must first do: sudo X -configure   if you want an xorg.conf
[21:06] <rklapp> I tried sudo nvidia-settings but got a command not found error.
[21:06] <rklapp> should I try sudo nvidia-configure instead?
[21:11] <Unit193> nvidia-settings is supposed to come with the nvidia drivers (not nvidia-configure)
[21:11] <rklapp> i'm in W7 now so I'm going to switch over and try it.
[21:19] <rklapp> The sudo nvidia-configure didn't work either
[23:24] <metroid1> is there an app for controlling fan speed/temp?
[23:33] <istok> metroid1, try; sudo apt-cache search fan | egrep 'speed|temp'