[00:01] <rbelem> ScottK, just pushed the changes https://code.launchpad.net/~rbelem/ubuntu/natty/kubuntu-mobile-default-settings/plasma-mobile-patches
[00:01] <rbelem> GrueMaster, ^
[00:04] <rbelem> ow i found one corner case
[00:05] <rbelem> the live user is 999
[00:06] <rbelem> and i was planing to not install another /etc/default/nodm
[00:08] <rbelem> i think the solution is to install our /etc/default/nodm
[00:12] <rbelem> ScottK, do you know if is there a way to know that a package is being installed in a live image?
[00:14] <rbelem> ScottK, cos i could set the NODM_USER to ubuntu in the postinst script if the target installation is a live image and if nodm is already installed
[00:57] <yofel> hm, now I indeed have compositing back on my eeePC but unless I disable a couple of effects kwin is so slow that it immediately disables itself unless I disable the functionality checks
[00:58] <yofel> xrender works ok, and disabling all effects that don't work in xrender makes opengl work fine again too
[00:58]  * yofel will talk to martin about that
[02:09] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck and Riddell: I have fixed the documentation in bzr. I will build a package and upload shortly, as long as there isn't a freeze on that prevents me of course
[02:23]  * nixternal has to admit, that was a bit of fun getting the docs to build again
[02:52] <rbelem> apachelogger, i rewrote in sh
[02:52] <rbelem> apachelogger, http://paste.kde.org/12753/
[02:52] <rbelem> apachelogger, is it ok?
[03:14] <rbelem> hi GrueMaster
[03:15] <rbelem> GrueMaster, could you test lp:~rbelem/ubuntu/natty/kubuntu-mobile-default-settings/plasma-mobile-patches when you had time?
[03:15] <rbelem> i'm going to sleep
[03:16] <rbelem> night all
[03:18] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: hey your network-manager working fine?
[03:48] <nixternal> is there a new way to sign packages or something? I just dput kubuntu-docs and it is telling me that Changes file must be signed with a valid GPG signature: Verification failed 3 times
[04:06] <maco> did you maybe -uc -us when you debuild -S'd?
[04:06] <maco> debsign should work for after-the-fact...
[04:07] <nixternal> just my regular 'debuild -S -sa' and even tried just 'debuild -S'
[04:07] <nixternal> well the changes file is signed correctly, dput even tells me so
[04:08] <nixternal> Checking signature on .changes
[04:08] <nixternal> gpg: Signature made Sat 16 Apr 2011 10:00:23 PM CDT using RSA key ID D8C44738
[04:08] <nixternal> gpg: Good signature from "Richard A. Johnson 
[06:13] <c2tarun> I tried to activate explosion desktop effect but I got an error that it cannot be activated. why so?
[06:19] <valorie> did it use to work in Mav?
[06:19] <valorie> someone was complaining that 4.6.2 effects are not good
[06:19] <valorie> they are excellent for me with Raster
[06:19] <valorie> but that's Mav.....
[07:30] <c2tarun> valorie: I am on natty :/ and natty has 4.6.1 :(
[07:31] <valorie> interesting!
[07:31] <valorie> I have 4.6.2!
[07:31] <valorie> weird!
[07:33] <c2tarun> valorie: and after the problem I faced with network-manager last night, I am not willing to upgrade for another week :)
[07:34] <valorie> I hear you
[07:34] <valorie> me either!
[07:34] <valorie> I think I'll wait until release
[07:34] <c2tarun> :)
[07:34] <valorie> although I did get the beta ISOs
[07:34] <valorie> so I might make a live USB
[07:34] <valorie> and try
[07:34] <valorie> did you do that first?
[07:35] <valorie> actually, you ran lots of Natty vms, didn't you
[07:35] <valorie> so this all might have been a surprise.
[07:35] <c2tarun> valorie: I tried with beta2 iso, the version of n-m in iso is working fine, but the new version in repo is creating lots of problem.
[07:36] <valorie> ok
[07:36] <valorie> good to know
[08:40] <bambee> morning
[11:23] <apachelogger> rbelem: looks good to me :)
[11:29] <debfx> currently power management is so broken
[11:29] <debfx> not even dragon player inhibits turning the screen off
[11:47] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: yes
[11:48] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: your n-m working?
[11:48] <shadeslayer>  yrp
[11:48] <shadeslayer> *yep
[11:49] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: so I am the only one who got stuck :/
[11:49] <shadeslayer> looks like it
[11:50] <c2tarun> hmm...
[12:34] <Mamarok> and here we are again: Nepomuk is going wild on Natty, it uses 100% CPU and completely freezes the system. Strigi was already disabled, so it is really a Nepomuk problem
[12:40] <c2tarun> Mamarok: I also get this nepomuk crash error sometime but my  system doesn't freeze, what is nepomuk?
[12:49] <Mamarok> c2tarun: Nepomuk is the semantic desktop tool: http://userbase.kde.org/Nepomuk
[12:50] <c2tarun> If I somehow backup my root partition than on restoring will I get all my installed applications back or not? My home folder is in separate partition so no need of backing it up.
[12:52] <Mamarok> why backing up a root partition, except for the system configuration folders? You can easily and faster reinstall the applications, just make a list of the installed ones
[12:53] <Mamarok> there is a tool that allows to get a list of the installed software packages than cna then be retrieved to reinstall thinks, let me check
[12:53] <Mamarok> can*
[12:57] <Mamarok> right
[14:33] <c2tarun> If I somehow backup my root partition than on restoring will I get all my installed applications back or not? My home folder is in separate partition so no need of backing it up.
[14:34] <ScottK> nixternal: The dput thing is a LP bug.  The package still gets uploaded when you get that error, so don't sweat it.
[14:41] <c2tarun> anybody used kbackup?
[16:08] <ScottK> Look who the Debian maintainer for the package is.
[16:18] <c2tarun> I am trying to make backup or my root partition by tar cjpf and it is halted at /proc/kcore. is this /proc/kcore very big file?
[16:19] <ScottK> Don't try to backup /proc
[16:19] <ScottK> Or /dev
[16:19] <c2tarun> ScottK: why so?
[16:20] <ScottK> Because they aren't normal files.  They are part of the system state.
[16:20] <c2tarun> ScottK: so in case of system crash is it possible to restore everything without these files in backup?
[16:21] <c2tarun> I mean a restore which includes all the applications that in installed?
[16:22] <ScottK> Yes.
[16:25] <c2tarun> ScottK: so in case of system crash I just extract the tarball onto a drive and it will restore my whole system, how will I get dev and proc then? do I have to create these folder manually?
[16:26] <ScottK> Those are created when you install/boot the system.
[16:27] <c2tarun> ScottK: ok, so extracting and then installing grub will create these folders?
[16:27] <ScottK> It's more complicated than that.
[16:27] <ScottK> You should really concentrate on backing up your data/configuration information and plan on reinstalling.
[16:28] <ScottK> You can use dpgk --get-selections to get a list of installed pacakges.
[16:28] <c2tarun> ScottK: actually I have slow internet connection, so reinstalling every application normally takes whole night or more.
[16:30] <c2tarun> ScottK: is it possible to backup my root folder in such a way that I can restore my system into the state in which it is now?
[16:30] <ScottK> Probably.  I've never tried it.
[16:31] <c2tarun> :(
[16:33] <c2tarun> anybody here ever backed up root partition completely?
[16:34] <jussi> !info dd | c2tarun
[16:34] <jussi> oh, not a package
[16:34] <c2tarun> !dd
[16:34] <jussi> anyway, dd is what I would use - probably best to ask in #kubuntu for support though
[16:35] <jussi> c2tarun: you can: man dd
[16:35] <c2tarun> jussi: what is dd?
[16:35] <c2tarun> ohh..
[17:23]  * afiestas just reinstalled kubuntu natty with a fresh beta2
[17:24]  * afiestas notices libbluedevil is 1.8.1 while bluedevil is 1.1, libbluedevil should be 1.9
[17:52] <debfx> afiestas: what's new in 1.9?
[17:53] <debfx> and where can I download it?
[17:55] <afiestas> debfx: a few new methods used by bluedevil 1.1 so we don't freeze the interface in a few places
[17:57] <afiestas> debfx: I'm sure a tarbal is somewhere download.kde.org, but I don't know where
[17:57] <afiestas> you can grab the git tag though
[17:58] <debfx> ah yes, it's in unstable/libbluedevil
[17:59] <debfx> hm "unstable" ;)
[18:01] <afiestas> debfx: it is on unstable because it is a playground project
[18:01] <afiestas> but the release is considered stable by upstream 
[18:13] <debfx> hm ok, we are rather close to the release though
[18:14] <afiestas> debfx: I know :/ I had some personal matters to attend so I couldn't test kubuntu builds before
[18:15] <afiestas> in fact, both libbluedevil and bluedevil should be updated, libbluedevil to 1.9 and bluedevil to 1.1 
[18:32] <debfx> ScottK: k-d-s with a kubuntu blue grub background is in the queue
[18:45] <bambee> userconfig no longer runs as root :)
[19:50] <ScottK> debfx: Thanks.  I'll have a look.
[19:55] <ScottK> debfx: Accepted.
[19:56] <c2tarun> Gimp is crashing in kubuntu is there any alternative of gimp?
[19:58] <c2tarun> is there anyway I can upgrade these packages dpkg, libattr1, libgtk2.0-common, libpam-modules, libpam-modules-bin, libpam0g, shared-mime-info without upgrading my network-manager?
[20:06] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: ping
[20:11] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: pong
[20:11] <DarkwingDuck> Oh goody.
[20:11] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[20:11] <DarkwingDuck> Care to do some training?
[20:12] <nixternal> can't right now, bike ride in a few :)
[20:12] <nixternal> what kind of training were you looking for?
[20:12] <DarkwingDuck> The next step in the docs process.
[20:12] <DarkwingDuck> But, if you are going to be riding I'll wait till you have time.
[20:12] <nixternal> wait a few days before release, download the translations from LP, incorporate them, and repackage :)
[20:13] <DarkwingDuck> that's what I'm refering to. I'll catch you when you have time. 
[20:13]  * nixternal adds 'document documentation process' to his todo list
[20:13] <nixternal> though, to be honest, i really want to streamline everything in the next cycle
[20:13] <nixternal> kde did it upstream, and that's why are docs were broken. 
[20:14] <DarkwingDuck> Okay. we'll work on that... maybe I can learn by helping.
[20:14] <nixternal> refreshing myself on xsl stylesheets last night was not fun. actually it was a little fun, but annoying at the same time
[20:14] <DarkwingDuck> Seeing that you taught me doc work so well.
[20:14] <nixternal> pfft, i didn't teach you a damn thing, you already knew the stuff coming in
[20:15] <DarkwingDuck> Heh! i knew a little about Docbook but, that's about it.
[20:15] <DarkwingDuck> You gave me the crash course on everything.
[20:15] <DarkwingDuck> I know nothing about packaging
[20:15] <nixternal> alrighty, gotta go scarf down a PB&J, a bannana, and a can of coke
[20:15] <DarkwingDuck> and that packaging guide... forgive my bluntness but, I don't want to know all 9 ways to do things.
[20:15] <nixternal> hehe
[20:16] <DarkwingDuck> I want to learn one at a time not all 9 at once.
[20:16] <nixternal> i will be back in probably 5 hours, maybe less depending on how long i can do 50 miles today
[20:16] <nixternal> shooting for 3 hours, but that depends on how many red lights i hit
[20:26] <DarkwingDuck> Okay... when/if you have time shoot me a text.
[20:26] <DarkwingDuck> I'll be watching hockey all night.
[22:20] <ScottK> debfx: Looks greaqt.  Thanks again.