[00:31] <dlbike76> Hi - I have a question about an old bug 49740
[00:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 49740 in sawfish (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Sawfish - Windows disappear from desktop, but continue to run (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 30)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49740
[00:33] <dlbike76> Someone posted on the ^ above bug report that it is still occuring in Maverick, but they haven't subscribed to the bug.
[00:34] <dlbike76> I requested that they report it with apport.  Should I set it to incomplete and give them time to respond?
[00:35] <dlbike76> Also, the bug is supposedly fixed per the sawfish wiki.
[00:58] <dlbike76> yofel:  Have time for a quick question?
[00:58] <yofel> sure?
[00:59] <dlbike76> Take a look at this old bug 49740
[00:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 49740 in sawfish (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Sawfish - Windows disappear from desktop, but continue to run (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 30)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49740
[00:59] <dlbike76> The OP unsubscribed themselves, and it was marked as expired, but recently re-opened.
[01:00] <dlbike76> the re-opener isn't subcribed though, so what should I do?
[01:00]  * yofel goes looking up what the hell sawfish is...
[01:00] <dlbike76> It's an old window manager.
[01:01] <yofel> well, according to #23 it's fixed in 1.6.0 - we have 1.5.3 so the bug is rightfully open I guess
[01:02] <dlbike76> So it will likely be fixed when we pull the newest version of Sawfish.
[01:04] <yofel> hm, I wonder if that version numer is accurate or we (or debian) are just horribly behind on sawfish releases
[01:04] <yofel> maverick actually has 1:1.3.5.2-1ubuntu3 which seems ancient, natty has 1:1.5.3-2
[01:06] <yofel> could actually be accurate, 1:1.5.3-2 from debian was uploaded Nov 09
[01:06] <dlbike76> Anyone know what version the current debian unstable has?
[01:06] <yofel> same, natty synced that from unstable
[01:07] <dlbike76> In Nov though, wouldn't the unstable version be updated by now?
[01:07] <yofel> depends on the maintainer, obviously nobody cared about updating it
[01:08] <yofel> well, from our point of view it's too late for natty anyway, it would be interesting if it would happen in natty and someone could file a package update request for oneiric
[01:10] <dlbike76> That's what I'm wondering, if our package maintainers could pull the newest version of sawfish.
[01:10] <dlbike76> It sounds like an obscure problem, but a problem nonetheless.
[01:12] <dlbike76> Is it common to ask bug reporters to try a beta version, or do we wait until the official release.
[01:12] <rr0hit> could someone tell me if I am wrong to confirm bug 762968 on the basis that there are a few duplicates and that required log file is present ?
[01:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 762968 in flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu) "package flashplugin-installer 10.2.159.1ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 (affects: 5) (dups: 4) (heat: 40)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/762968
[01:13] <yofel> if it helps it's certainly useful, but if the bug is supposedly fixed in 1.6.0 it will probably be in natty too
[01:15]  * yofel considers duplicates a valid reason to confirm a bug, not sure if we have an official policy on that
[01:17] <rr0hit> yofel: what about presence of the required log file confirming the presence of a problem. That is reason enough right?
[01:18] <yofel> can someone else look at that sawfish bug too? I don't want to judge bugs from apps I don't know scratch about...
[01:18] <huibuuh> hey, can someone tell me what to do if my install hangs
[01:19] <yofel> rr0hit: for confirmed certainly, as for triaged I don't know what needs to be done with the bug now
[01:19] <penguin42> yofel: old bug!
[01:19] <yofel> huibuuh: define "hangs"
[01:19] <huibuuh> wheel cursor goes on for like forever
[01:19] <yofel> penguin42: that much is obvious :P
[01:19] <yofel> huibuuh: when?
[01:20] <rr0hit> yofel: ohk..thanks..confirming..
[01:20] <huibuuh> I tried 11.04 beta 2, it loads a window and I can choose the mp3 stuff and the "evil" drivers, after that it hangs
[01:21] <huibuuh> i could connect to the wireless and open up system settings or whatever that is called
[01:21] <penguin42> yofel: That bug is a mess
[01:22] <penguin42> yofel: So the original reporter hasn't confirmed they still get it on sawfish for 3+ years, there are moans from half a dozen people using random things other than sawfish so they shouldn't be on the same bug in my opinion
[01:22] <yofel> huibuuh: I would file a bug against ubiquity, preferebly from the live disk
[01:23] <huibuuh> ok I try to start the live shizzle then, thx
[01:23] <yofel> penguin42: true too, but I don't really want to close a but on the simple argument that the OP is unsubscribed if the bug does still happen
[01:24] <yofel> then again, no way to know if the new poster does indeed have the same bug
[01:24] <penguin42> yofel: Yeh very difficult, and comment #23 suggests there was a fix that went in
[01:25] <yofel> that we never got
[01:25] <penguin42> yofel: Hmm, comment 23 says there is a fix in sawfish 1.6.0, we still have 1.5.3
[01:27]  * yofel gives up trying to convert lp 579876 into a question, maybe someone else has more luck 
[01:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 579876 in ecryptfs-utils (Ubuntu) "encrypted home directory isn't mounted if password changed by another user (affects: 5) (heat: 32)" [High,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/579876
[01:28] <penguin42> yofel: There is an explicit mention in the sawfish 1.6.0 release notes
[01:28] <penguin42> yofel: I'd say confirm that bug quoting the comment in the sawfish release notes - I have it to hand and can do that if useful?
[01:29] <yofel> sure, thanks
[01:31] <penguin42> done
[01:32]  * penguin42 wonders what priority that should have - randomly disappearing windows would drive me nuts, so I suggest higher than 'low'
[01:34] <penguin42> right, bed
[09:20] <rr0hit> is it wrong to submit a patch for a bug already assigned to someone ?
[09:28] <vish> rr0hit: nope
[09:29] <rr0hit> vish: then, can I chang the "assigned to" field ?
[09:29] <vish> rr0hit: which bug btw?
[09:29] <rr0hit> vish: bug 740178
[09:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 740178 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Update the INSTALL file. (affects: 1) (heat: 137)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740178
[09:30] <rr0hit> vish: bitesize
[09:30] <vish> rr0hit: in cases where i dont know the assignee personally , i find it better to state intentions to work on the bug than to just change the assignee
[09:31] <vish> rr0hit: just attach your patch and ask jbicha, if he is still working on the bug
[09:32] <rr0hit> vish: alright
[09:32] <jbicha> rr0hit: you can go ahead and take it, thanks!
[09:32] <rr0hit> jbicha: ohk. dilemma solved. thanks.
[09:44] <rr0hit> jbicha: vish: I see that in unity package the dependencies listed in debian/control and INSTALL file differ quite a bit. can I replace the dependencies listed in INSTALL file with thos listed in control ?
[09:44] <jbicha> well what I was doing was testing to see what was needed to get it installed
[09:45] <jbicha> unfortunately I tried that on maverick where unity won't build
[09:46] <jbicha> but yes, debian/control should be a pretty good starting point
[11:43] <kabads> I've just tried to install flightgear on natty, but have hit a dependency problem  - is this a bug worth reporting (and if so, where is the best place to report it)?
[11:48] <veger> I suppose you can leave your bug report here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flightgear/+filebug
[11:48] <veger> and yes, it is worth reporting
[11:49] <veger> but first you need to check whether the bug is already reported
[11:50] <kabads> veger: thanks, I'm just looking now. Although, it could be easier.
[14:16] <iceroot> hi
[14:18] <iceroot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cpufrequtils/+bug/763590  is there a way i can rebuild the source-package in the ubuntu-repos instead of just adding a patch to launchpad? or is this all i can do as a "normal user"?
[14:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 763590 in cpufrequtils (Ubuntu) "typo in de.po from cpufreq-set (cpufrequtils) (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[14:49] <ali12341> bug 703988
[14:49] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 703988 in vim (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "(various) crashed with SIGSEGV in g_atomic_int_exchange_and_add()/g_variant_unref/?libappmenu.so/g_simple_async_result_complete (affects: 44) (dups: 41) (heat: 312)" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/703988
[14:50] <ali12341> hmm different bot
[14:50] <ali12341> anyway, that bug is marked "fix released" and i have a newer version of the fixed package than the supposedly fixed version, but i can still trivially reproduce this bug
[14:51] <ali12341> also lots and lots of bug reports are getting marked as a duplicate of this
[14:51] <ali12341> so clearly the bug is not fixed
[14:51] <ali12341> so, should i report a new bug with apport, or just mark this one back to "new" or whatever?
[15:14] <ali12341> can i make my own bug report not-private?
[15:14] <penguin42> ali12341: Is it exactly the same backtrace?
[15:14] <ali12341> i don't know
[15:14] <ali12341> i reported a new bug for it now anyway
[15:14] <ali12341> but it's private...
[15:14] <penguin42> if it's not then it may be a different bug
[15:15] <ali12341> but there's no need because it's a test system with nothing private on it
[15:15] <ali12341> the original bug report is very wide ranging covering multiple crashes
[15:15] <penguin42> ali12341: At the top right of the bug there is a 'This report is private' with a pencil next to it - what happens if you click the pencil?
[15:16] <ali12341> ah sorry i didn't see the pencil :)
[15:16] <ali12341> anyway as i was saying, the backtrace is probably different for every duplicate of 703988 of which there is about 40
[15:16] <penguin42> ali12341: No the backtrace for those was very similar - that's why they got duped
[15:16] <ali12341> many of which were reported after it was supposedly fixed
[15:17] <ali12341> often it's not even in the same program
[15:17] <ali12341> since it affects any GTK program that has menus
[15:17] <penguin42> yeh but the last few entries in the backtrace were the same
[15:18] <ali12341> bug 763633
[15:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 763633 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) "GTK applications crash while accessing the menu (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/763633
[15:22] <penguin42> ali12341: I'd install the debug packages for as many of the libraries as possible
[15:22] <penguin42> well, all the ones in the backtrace
[15:22] <ali12341> it's trivially reproducable so i'll leave that to a developer
[15:22] <penguin42> ali12341: OK, but it might not be trivially reproducible on their system
[17:05] <rr0hit> if a bug in a previous (no longer supported) version of ubuntu, has been fixed in the current development cycle, can I close the bug as "fix released" ?
[17:13] <cdbs> rr0hit: yes of course
[17:14] <cdbs> rr0hit: Unless its a big bug which can be SRUed, in that case you should nominate the bug to the stable release(s) affected by it
[17:15] <rr0hit> cdbs: but the bug was reported for ubuntu 8.10 !! so update isnt possible right?
[17:16] <cdbs> rr0hit: Yeah, and also mention the fact that Intrepid is EOL
[17:16] <cdbs> (though not that necessary, just mark it fix released and forget about it)
[17:16] <rr0hit> cdbs: okay.
[17:35] <hjd> Anyone know if there are any known issues when translating bug status from Debian to Launchpad? See last comment on bug 656476.
[17:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 656476 in tesseract (Debian) (and 1 other project) "[needs-packaging] tesseract-ocr 3.0 (affects: 6) (dups: 1) (heat: 30)" [Unknown,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/656476
[17:36] <yofel> could be due to the 'pending' tag on the debian bug, but I would think #launchpad would know more here
[17:37] <rr0hit> could anyone set bug 763695 to "wishlist" ?
[17:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 763695 in gtk-recordmydesktop (Ubuntu) "Cancelling encoding doesn't delete incomplete video file (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/763695
[17:40] <hjd> yofel: ok, asked there now.
[18:04] <rr0hit> could anyone set bug 763695 to "wishlist" ? Also I have reported the bug upstream ( https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3288559&group_id=172357&atid=861428 ). How do I add a bug watch?
[18:04] <ubot4> rr0hit: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Sourceforge instance at 0x2ef87e8> bug 3288559 not found
[18:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 763695 in recordmydesktop (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Cancelling encoding doesn't delete incomplete video file (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/763695
[18:45] <fi8er1> pidgin group chat. Can't invite buddies for a group chat
[19:06] <hggdh> rr0hit: you can select "also affects project", and add the link there
[19:10] <dlbike76> Hi, I think bug 49740 should have an importance of "Low" since few people use the sawfish package and a fix has been released in the 1.6 version of sawfish.
[19:10] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 49740 in sawfish (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Sawfish - Windows disappear from desktop, but continue to run (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 32)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49740
[19:10] <dlbike76> Does this sound correct?
[19:11] <dlbike76> If so, then could someone from BugControl set the importance please.
[20:05] <bcurtiswx> cjohnston, hey, cool about the return flight.  Want to share the transport to get to the airport?
[20:06] <cjohnston> Sounds fine to me.. My wife will be with me as well.
[20:06] <cjohnston> mhall119 may want to share as well
[20:07] <cjohnston> I vote we make mhall119 pay for it too
[20:07] <bcurtiswx> cjohnston, great then :) agreed
[20:09] <cjohnston> We are going to Croatia for a few days beforehand, so I'm trying to find someone there to meet up with just to say hi while we are there
[20:10] <bcurtiswx> before UDS starts?
[20:10] <cjohnston> yes
[20:10] <bcurtiswx> cool!
[20:11] <cjohnston> Last year we went to Paris for a day after UDS
[20:17] <JanC> Paris for one day?
[20:17] <cjohnston> That's all the time we had.
[20:17] <cjohnston> She figured she may never get the chance again, so she wanted to do it to atleast say she's been
[20:19] <bcurtiswx> good idea, i still have a honeymoon to plan... hmm
[20:19] <cjohnston> lol
[20:19] <JanC> Paris probably is a 5h drive for me, and I haven't been there since a high school trip long ago ☺
[20:19] <cjohnston> lol
[20:20] <cjohnston> That's what happens when you live close to something
[20:21] <JanC> and I've never been to London, I guess some day I should do that too...  ☺
[20:21] <cjohnston> I went as a kid, but don't remember it.
[20:21] <cjohnston> We want to go to ireland
[20:21] <cjohnston> was too expensive to do while we are there this time
[20:22] <JanC> hm, RyanAir sometimes has very cheap trips
[20:23] <cjohnston> they dont seem to fly from where we will be
[20:25] <JanC> they generally don't fly from the "main" airports but from regional airports
[20:25] <JanC> (that's how they can be low cost)
[20:26] <cjohnston> gotcha
[20:41] <velle_frak> hello
[20:41] <velle_frak> I've got a question: I can't seem to find how to mark a bug as a duplicate of another bug.
[20:43] <yofel> on the duplicate, go to the top right -> mark as duplicate and enter the number of the master bug
[20:43] <kklimonda> b/ 24
[20:46] <velle_frak> oh dear....feel a bit stupid, I overlooked that option ;-). anyway, found it thx yofel!
[21:03] <iceroot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/Debdiff#Ingredients  can i do this with my private mailadress or do i needa ubuntu.com-account with a gpg-key? if so what are the steps to get it?
[21:04] <iceroot> i want to post a debdiff-patch of a complete source-package
[21:06] <jtaylor> iceroot: you don#t need a key
[21:07] <iceroot> jtaylor: because only the person which is building the final package needs a key?
[21:07] <jtaylor> the person who uploads it to the archive needs a key which is in the ubuntu keyring
[21:08] <jtaylor> but if you intend to contribute more it is highly recommended that you make yourself a key and get it signed
[21:08] <micahg> jtaylor: there is no ubuntu keyring for uploads :), it's whichever key is registered with launchpad for a person who has upload rights to the package
[21:09] <iceroot> i am very interested in fixing packages directly instead of just posting patches on launchpad
[21:10] <micahg> iceroot: only about 180 people can upload to Ubuntu, you can propose merges or attach patches to bugs to start contributing to get fixes in the archive
[21:11] <iceroot> micahg: ok thank you, so i think i will start with more patches and will see what happens then
[21:12] <iceroot> micahg: but the best way is to submit a patch for the source-package or just for the file which needs a fix?
[21:13] <ali12341> i prefer to just get it fixed upstream and then wait for the fix to filter down through debian and into ubuntu
[21:13] <micahg> iceroot: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[21:14] <micahg> ali12341: that works most of the time, but if a fixed is needed at the end of the release, the best way generally is to get it into Ubuntu if it's not controversial, then get it upstream and the patch dropped for the next release
[21:17] <yofel> micahg: what was the process to become a MOTU again?
[21:17] <micahg> yofel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers#MOTU
[21:18] <paultag> yofel: IIRC it's when you've become such a pain to current MOTU that you're given upload rights
[21:18] <yofel> lol
[21:18] <yofel> thx micahg
[21:18] <paultag> srsly
[21:18] <micahg> paultag: almost ;)
[21:18] <paultag> micahg: :P
[21:52] <njin> hello, can someone look at bug 763485 ,thanks
[21:52] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 763485 in ubuntu "unable to configure two and three finger tapping (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/763485