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popeyheh, i still have two gamecubes00:01
directhexif there were wii games worth buying, eprhaps people wouldn't resort to gamecube games00:02
popeyone UK and one switchable US/JAP00:02
directhexpopey: i gave one to my sister00:02
directhex(wife and i both had one when we were undergrads)00:02
Azelphurhttp://www.ibood.com/uk/en/ looks like an interesting deal for a reasonable gaming laptop o.O00:02
directhexAzelphur: well nvidia so it'll render more than a dozen polygoons. crap-end nvidia, so not render then WELL... but it'll run anything on low detail, which an intel won't00:03
Azelphur:)00:03
HazRPGBought my first ever song on Ubuntu One! Woo01:44
dutchiewas it a good one?01:46
HazRPGwell I like it lol01:50
HazRPGdutchie: apparently ubuntu one classes it as "Alternative" but I'd say it was more pop really :/01:52
HazRPGI don't think I can post the title here, for the family-orientatedness ... but its basically the single from Cee Lo Green01:53
dutchiethe one tastefully renamed/redubbed "forget you" for radio play01:54
dutchiei would not class that as a good one01:54
HazRPGlike I said... I like it, but its not for everyone01:55
HazRPGdutchie: what would you class as a good one?01:56
AzelphurAny ADSL smart people got thoughts on that? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Static/April%202011/Screenshot.png01:56
Azelphurbesides "it's broke" lol01:57
HazRPGwhat's up exactly?02:02
AzelphurHazRPG: "It's broke"02:02
Azelphuramber light on the modem, no connection02:02
HazRPGalso, that looks similar to mine you using a netgear?02:02
AzelphurHazRPG: it's a sky router, I believe it's a netgear at the core xD02:03
HazRPGAzelphur: indeed!02:04
HazRPGalso... according to that screenshot, it should technically be fine based on your noise margins and line attenuation02:05
HazRPGthe top half basically just there to outline what's been sent back n forth02:05
AzelphurI see :)02:05
AzelphurHazRPG: did you hear my story when I phoned sky tech support? XD02:06
HazRPGobviously that's where the problem appears apparently because apparently your WAN hasn't sent anything02:06
Azelphurfun02:06
HazRPGs/appears apparently/appears apparent/*02:06
HazRPGAzelphur: no don't think I did02:07
HazRPGif you've got a button on your router btw, I would try click "Connection Status"02:07
AzelphurHazRPG: the guy asked me what OS I run, I said "Linux" he said "Woaaaa"02:07
dutchieHazRPG: my first u1ms album was rammstein :)02:08
AzelphurHazRPG: we spent like 30 minutes talking about Linux, virtualization, wine and hardware while he ran line tests haha02:08
HazRPGdutchie: cool, didn't realise it was on there!02:10
HazRPGAzelphur: awesome :D02:13
HazRPGAzelphur: wish my experiences with them were that awesome too :P02:13
AzelphurHazRPG: was funny, he was only somewhat familiar with virtualization :D02:14
Azelphurhe asked me how it works and does it use a lot of resources02:14
Azelphurand I said yea, obviously it uses more or less double because it has to run 2 operating systems at the same time02:14
Azelphur"How much ram do you have like 4GB?" "haha 4GB, I have 12" "OMG 12!?! How can your motherboard take that?" "My motherboard supports 24"02:14
Azelphur"OMG THATS INSANE"02:15
AzelphurHazRPG: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/April%202011/Screenshot-1.png being lazy and not bothering to crop ftw02:19
hamitron\o/02:24
HazRPGAzelphur: hmm interesting02:29
HazRPGAzelphur: can't say i've ever seen "MER/PPPoA"02:30
AzelphurxD02:30
Tav_Hello02:37
HazRPGAzelphur: here's a thought, does your landline sound funny when you pick it up?02:37
Azelphurnope02:37
hamitronAzelphur: what is the problem?02:37
Azelphurhttp://www.skyuser.co.uk/forum/technical-discussion/42671-new-sagemcom-router-seems-hijack-web-browsing.html#post31801002:37
Azelphurhave a thread :P02:38
Tav_Excuse me, do you guys know how I can do general IRC chat?02:38
Azelphurhamitron: ninjas stealing my internets :(02:38
HazRPGAzelphur: as in, does it sound crackly, or have weird noises on it (other than the obvious dial tone)02:38
AzelphurTav_: your doing it right now?02:38
AzelphurHazRPG: not that I could hear02:38
HazRPGAzelphur: guessing he's on a website :P02:38
HazRPGTav_: you mean a program for your computer for IRC?02:38
hamitronTav_: you need an IRC client such as Xchat02:38
Azelphuryea, qwebirc02:38
Azelphurand +1 for xchat :p02:39
hamitronI use pidgin02:39
hamitron;)02:39
Tav_Az and Haz I mean say I want to chat about astronomy02:39
Azelphurhamitron: me too02:39
Tav_Is there a room for that?02:39
HazRPGAzelphur: worth a test, but try dialing say the first two digits of your house and see if you can hear some background noise02:39
AzelphurTav_: highly likely, IRC tends to have something for everything.02:39
HazRPGdon't stay on the line too long though, your only wanting to know if there's noise or not :P02:39
Tav_Az how do I get a room list?02:39
AzelphurHazRPG: I did 17070 zoe test :D02:40
HazRPGah :P02:40
AzelphurTav_: I never bother with lists, I just join #subjectname and it usually exists02:40
Tav_Can I use Empathy for general chat?02:40
AzelphurTav_: I just joined #astronomy, it has 90 people02:40
AzelphurTav_: yes.02:40
Tav_Az is that the command?02:40
HazRPGTav_: erm, /list (as a command by itself) will give you a list of all channels02:40
AzelphurTav_: no it's the name of the channel to join, go set up empathy02:41
Azelphuror pidgin, or xchat, :P02:41
AzelphurHazRPG: you do know /list on this network will take a LONG time02:41
Azelphurthe channel list isn't small02:41
HazRPGTav_: also, you could msg the alis bot and it'll let you do searches for channels, e.g. "/msg alis LIST *astronomy*02:41
HazRPGAzelphur: he yeah, i know... i've downloaded it and stored it away for reference - but when lazy i ask alis :P02:42
AzelphurHazRPG: that's fancy02:42
Tav_Thanks, but where do you type "join #subject" or "\list"?02:42
AzelphurTav_: in the IRC client you have yet to get02:42
HazRPGTav_: what program are you using to connect to IRC?02:42
AzelphurHazRPG: he's using qwebirc, a web applet02:43
AzelphurI version'd him :P02:43
Tav_I am using Empathy which comes with Ubuntu02:43
Tav_Where do you type it?02:43
HazRPGalso you need to type: /join #channel02:43
Azelphur(02:43:13) Tav_: (notice) Received CTCP 'VERSION qwebirc v0.90, copyright (C) 2008-2010 Chris Porter and the qwebirc project -- Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.16) Gecko/20110323 Ubuntu/10.10 (maverick) Firefox/3.6.16' (to Azelphur) from Tav_02:43
AzelphurLIES :o02:43
HazRPGwhere #channel is where you want to go02:43
HazRPGTav_: you can type that command in here if you like :PP02:43
hamitronAzelphur: he is maybe just getting instruction through that client ;)02:43
Azelphurhamitron: maybe :p02:43
HazRPGTav_: empathy will let you type it anywhere02:43
HazRPGTav_: best thing to do is ask the alis bot :)02:44
HazRPGTav_: type: /msg alis LIST *subject*02:44
HazRPGadding the * means it will look for variations of whatever you type in subject02:44
Tav_I can't see where to type it though02:44
Tav_Empathy has a GUI with menus02:44
Tav_I can't see any command-line like interface02:44
HazRPGTav_: yeah don't worry... type while in a channel :)02:45
HazRPGTav_: the commands are global, so you can use them everywhere :)02:45
Tav_How do I go "in" a channel?02:45
HazRPGthe command is /join #channel02:45
AzelphurHazRPG: he can't, empathy has no space to type in lol02:45
Tav_In the Ubuntu terminal??02:45
HazRPGand you can type while your here now, try it :)02:45
Azelphurthat's not the way empathy works02:45
Tav_So should I get another client?02:46
HazRPGTav_: no no... do it in this channel, while your in here, where your currently typing to chat to use02:46
Tav_What's a good one?02:46
HazRPGus*02:46
AzelphurHazRPG: lol your crazy overcomplicating this XD02:46
Azelphuryou don't wanna teach him how to use a web client02:46
Tav_join #astronomy02:46
Azelphurand he doesn't need to know about alis xD02:46
Tav_doesn't work :(02:46
HazRPGTav_: you MUST have the / in the front dude02:46
AzelphurTav_: did you add the freenode network to empathy?02:47
hamitronlets just hope his web client is not restricted ;/02:48
HazRPGAzelphur: i was just about to ask that :P02:49
Tav_No02:50
Tav_How do I add the freenode network to empathy?02:50
AzelphurTav_: ok, in the empathy buddies list, edit, add account02:51
AzelphurTav_: or rather, edit accounts :P02:51
Azelphuraccount type IRC, select freenode from the network list02:51
Tav_I think I am on freenode02:53
AzelphurTav_: cool02:53
hamitrontime for some sleep for me, nn you lot02:53
HazRPGhamitron \o/02:53
HazRPGhamitron: nite dude :)02:54
hamitronand good luck Tav_02:54
Tav_Thanks02:54
Tav_night02:54
AzelphurTav_: now go to room > Join02:55
HazRPGTav_: so your using empathy right now to chat to us? Just to confirm... since CTCP has me to believe otherwise :P02:55
AzelphurTav_: in the account box, select "# <yournick> on freenode"02:55
AzelphurTav_: in the room box, put #astronomy, leave the server box blank, your set :)02:55
Tav_Haz no I am using the browser version cus Empathy doesn't work :s02:55
Tav_Yes, I went to Room --> Join02:56
AzelphurHazRPG: I told you he's using qwebirc, how can he be using empathy I havn't finished instructing him on how to set it up yet >.>02:56
Tav_but when I go to room, there's nothing!02:56
Tav_I mean "Room list"02:56
HazRPGAzelphur: lol fair play, i'll leave ya to it :)02:56
Tav_There is nothing under "Room list"02:56
AzelphurTav_: no need for room list, in the room box just type #astronomy02:56
Azelphurand then click join02:56
Tav_it seems to have worked but there is no one in astronomy02:59
Azelphurdid you put "astronomy" or "#astronomy"02:59
Azelphurthe # is important03:00
Tav_So I tried "ubuntu-uk" and it did the same: the room appears but there is no one.03:00
Tav_Yeah I put the #03:00
HazRPGTav_: hang on, i'll see if i can make you a video to show you :)03:00
Azelphurthat works xD03:01
Tav_Haz no worries dude - you're already really nice to help me so much03:01
Tav_I will try and figure it out03:01
Tav_What client do you use?03:01
HazRPGTav_: its cool, won't take me long :)03:01
HazRPGTav_: I use pidgin and irssi - but thats because i use a complex setup03:02
Tav_But how will you send me the vid?03:02
HazRPGpidgin is awesome though for general irc + other stuff like msn, etc03:02
Tav_Seriously it's ok03:02
HazRPGTav_: oh, via youtube link :)03:02
HazRPGits fine, seriously, i can show the video to some of my friends that i want to get them into irc too :P03:02
Tav_Are you sure?03:03
HazRPGlol yeah03:03
Tav_Ok in that case ok]03:03
Azelphuryea will be handy, this question comes up a lot actually03:03
Azelphurso it'll be useful to have a video03:03
HazRPGAzelphur: indeed!03:03
Tav_I am indebted to you for your resourcefullness. Thank you03:04
HazRPGright ok, going to start recording now :)03:05
HazRPGah i can see why you had issues now03:08
HazRPGinteresting03:08
test_user_ircah no wait, i was just being daft... right lets start that again :P03:08
test_user_irc(HazRPG here btw!)03:08
Tav_Hey03:10
Tav_I downloaded Pigon and it seems to work better03:11
Tav_I can access yahoo chat rooms apparently03:11
Tav_Interesting..03:11
AzelphurTav_: xchat works the best imo :D03:18
Azelphurxchat is best for IRC03:18
irc_test_userhi03:19
Azelphurhi03:19
irc_test_usertesting empathy on irc :)03:19
Azelphurnice03:19
Azelphurirc_test_user: what ISP are you with? you have working ipv6 :o03:19
irc_test_userAzelphur: its me dude! :P03:22
irc_test_userAzelphur: just finished the video :)03:22
Azelphuroh right :D03:22
irc_test_usercurrently doing encoding, won't take long :)03:22
irc_test_userI think I f-ed up a bit... but oh well :P03:22
Azelphurdo want working ipv6 though03:23
Azelphuror are you tunneling?03:23
irc_test_usernot really much of a public speaker lol03:23
Tav_Ok03:23
Tav_What is the YouTube video ID?03:23
irc_test_userAzelphur: ah, yeah its IPv6 tunneling :)03:23
irc_test_userAzelphur: using HE03:23
Azelphurcheater :P03:23
irc_test_usergot a tutorial on it on my  blog :)03:24
irc_test_userhttp://www.hazsoft.co.uk/03:24
Azelphurfun03:24
irc_test_userTav_: its still encoding the video, so i'll upload to YouTube once its done and i'll give you the link :)03:24
irc_test_usercurrently 38% done03:24
Tav_Cheers03:25
irc_test_userAzelphur: wish more ISP's in the UK supported IPv6 native03:25
irc_test_userAzelphur: how are you online if your having net issues?03:25
Azelphursame03:25
Azelphurmobile :D03:25
Tav_Thanks guys much appreciated03:25
irc_test_userAzelphur: ah :P03:25
irc_test_userAzelphur: cheap :P03:25
irc_test_usercheat*03:25
Azelphur:D03:26
irc_test_userright, going to log out of empathy now :P03:26
HazRPG\o03:27
HazRPG70% encoded03:27
HazRPGhopefully the video should come out right :)03:27
HazRPGright, just uploading to youtube now :)03:37
ali12341empathy developers finally cracked and added support for /join in irc windows03:39
HazRPGali12341: did they? I couldn't get it to work03:42
HazRPGurgh... I have a feeling this video upload isn't going well03:43
HazRPGi used MP4mux tho :/03:43
HazRPGah no wait... looks fine now :)03:45
HazRPGhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_yvPl152L003:47
HazRPGta da03:47
HazRPGdoes that seem ok to everyone?03:48
HazRPGit is done in one take03:48
HazRPGand no script to read from lol03:48
Azelphurhe left xD03:48
* Azelphur watches anyway03:48
HazRPGAzelphur: yeah i noitced :/03:48
HazRPGtried to ta<tab> him lol03:48
Azelphurlooks like a good guide though :D03:49
HazRPGAzelphur: woot!03:51
HazRPGta da... quick blog post with video embedded: http://www.hazsoft.co.uk/2011/04/17/video-how-to-loginuse-irc-with-empathy/04:02
=== System is now known as Guest22284
=== Guest22284 is now known as |System|
|System|hello ?04:04
|System|Anyone alive?04:04
Azelphurjust about04:10
HazRPG|System|: as alive as 4am will grant, yeah :P04:12
|System|haha04:13
Azelphurreal men...no sleep...04:13
AzelphurxD04:13
HazRPGAzelphur: man, I just noticed your always online just as late as I am!04:13
|System|Im kinda drunk and playing with ubuntu04:13
Azelphurgood combination04:13
|System|tis a carm evening04:13
HazRPG|System|: great combination, hurray \o/ :P04:13
HazRPGAzelphur: ha, same though I had :P04:13
|System|lol. I do my best04:13
AzelphurxD04:14
HazRPG|System|: hmm, your not a guy I know are ya... sounds like something he'd do...04:14
HazRPGyou doing a networking course in preston?04:14
|System|Nope04:14
|System|I am a different System04:14
HazRPGah no, he doesn't generally call himself system... its just the whole "cram/drunk" combo... sounds like something a guy I know would do :P04:15
|System|:P04:16
|System|Ah, I see04:16
HazRPGholy cow, if you google "ipv6 ubuntu 10.10" I'm on the first page!04:23
HazRPG8th to be exact!04:23
|System|Welldone04:29
AzelphurHazRPG: nice, get adsense on your site xD04:33
HazRPGAzelphur: tempted xD04:33
|System|I think i ordered the last shipit cd  :P04:39
stgraberHazRPG: hehe, I've got the same rating for my blog but with "ipv6 ubuntu natty" :)04:39
HazRPGstgraber: nice :)04:39
|System|Who else ordered a free Ubuntu CD before they ran out ?04:41
|System|No one ?04:42
HazRPGnope04:44
HazRPGI've ordered free ubuntu CDs since 6.06 or so though, but I've got a faster internet connection now - so I don't need to :)04:45
HazRPGright I'm off for a bit to do a few tasks04:57
HazRPGspeak soon :)04:57
ubuntuuk-planet[Hassan Williamson] Video: How to login/use IRC with empathy. - http://www.hazsoft.co.uk/2011/04/17/video-how-to-loginuse-irc-with-empathy/05:29
|System|6:12am .. . Time to sleep06:11
|System|Night people who are going to see this in the future06:11
popeymorning all08:34
MartijnVdS\o popey08:43
danfisha hoy hoy!08:56
danfishwhere's the sunshine the weatherman promised?08:58
danfishchillicam will be going active this week. It'll be right up there for excitement with 'paintdryingcam'09:03
MyrttiI had a guinea pig cam when I was at lrl 200809:05
danfishcool09:07
danfishwas it strapped to the guinea pig? ;)09:08
Myrttino, it was on a window ledge pointing towards where they were on my balcony09:09
xirconMorning all - quick question - Anyone use the get_iplayer script?09:23
danfishxircon: yup09:29
MartijnVdSLots of sunshine on this end of the pond09:32
MartijnVdSF1 is exciting today09:39
MartijnVdS</spoilers>09:39
kaushalhi popey09:41
xircon@danfish Trying to download Just a Minute, but it does not show in the radio listings!  Going to try the direct URL back in a tick.09:42
kaushalAny good terminal application apart from gnome-terminal ?09:42
danfishkaushal: terminator09:43
xirconGnome based or KDE09:43
kaushalgnome based09:43
xirconGuake09:43
xirconIt is a Quake style drop down terminal09:44
MyrttiMOAR TEA09:45
xirconHmmmm - get_iplayer --type=radio --get http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01093pn/Just_a_Minute_14_04_2011/09:45
xirconWorks and is downloading as I type09:45
kaushalpopey: i saw your reply10:19
kaushalso unity is a desktop ?10:20
kaushalits confusing10:20
popeyits not10:20
kaushalor is it a gnome shell10:20
popey!unity10:20
lubotu3Unity is a shell for GNOME, but it is not GNOME-shell. See http://unity.ubuntu.com and http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/10/31/unity-some-further-clarification-points/ for more information. Have a question, check http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/unity10:20
kaushalUnity is a shell for GNOME, but it is not GNOME-shell ?10:20
kaushalcontradicting ?10:20
popeyno10:20
popeyGNOME Shell is a product of the GNOME project10:21
popeyUnity is a product of Canonical / the Ubuntu project10:21
popeytwo products by two organisations10:21
kaushalso what does shell mean in Unity is a shell for GNOME ?10:22
kaushalplease help me understand10:22
popeythe main UI you see10:22
kaushalah ok10:22
kaushalso is there a pre requisite to have 3D support Video Card to enable Unity UI ?10:23
popeyfor Unity 3D, yes10:23
popeyfor Unity 2D, no10:23
kaushalso if i install 11.04 it will default to Unity 2D ?10:24
MartijnVdSBut unity 2D does not exist yet10:24
popeyno kaushal10:24
popeythe default in 11.04 is Unity 3d10:24
popeyif your desktop cannot do 3d, the fallback is standard classic GNOME with two panels10:24
popey(same as you get in 10.1010:24
popeyMartijnVdS: it exists, but its not finished10:24
popey(like unity 3d) :D10:24
kaushalpopey: ok10:24
kaushalso it depends entirely on Hardware ?10:25
kaushalI mean the Video Card10:25
popeythe 3d capability does, yes10:25
kaushalok10:25
kaushalpopey: thanks10:25
popeynp10:26
kaushalAlso I am planning to procure Dell Vostro 350010:26
popeyhttp://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201004-557410:26
kaushalso which laptop do you recommend to enable Unity 3D ?10:26
popeyno idea10:27
kaushalso http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201004-5574 support Unity 3D ?10:27
popeydunno10:27
MartijnVdSRecent (i3/i5) intel graphics should be fine10:28
kaushalis there a way to pre check ?10:28
popey11.04 isnt out yet.10:28
kaushalMartijnVdS: ok10:28
kaushalI need to wait until Apr 28 201110:29
kaushalIntel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller10:29
kaushalMartijnVdS: so this should support Unity 3D ?10:29
kaushalas per http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201004-557410:29
MartijnVdSkaushal: I don't know about the certification page10:30
kaushalIts one of the ideal laptop10:30
awilkinsIf you have access to one in a shop, you could always take a live USB stick and test it10:30
awilkinsTHey'll do anything if they think there's a sale in it10:31
kaushalBut is there a recommended page about Unity 3D which Video Card supports10:31
awilkinsShould it just be anything that supports Compiz / OpenGL ?10:31
MartijnVdSkaushal: If it supports OpenGL 1.4 or better, it should work.10:31
MartijnVdSawilkins: yes10:31
* MartijnVdS has a machine with an old (stone-age) intel graphics chip.. it's so bad it's _blacklisted_ (not just "not supported")10:32
MartijnVdSbut that's an i830 (long before the current generation)10:32
kaushalMartijnVdS: great10:33
kaushalThanks10:33
gordonjcpMartijnVdS: which chip is that/10:39
MartijnVdSgordonjcp: what? the i830?10:39
gordonjcpMartijnVdS: is that actually blacklisted as not supported?10:40
livingdaylightgreetings10:40
MartijnVdSgordonjcp: I think there is a hardware bug of some kind that's tickled by it10:40
gordonjcpweird10:40
MartijnVdSgordonjcp: also, OpenGL 1.2 :(10:40
gordonjcpMartijnVdS: I don't know why we these days we can't just stick a RAMDAC and a horking great FPGA on a card10:41
MartijnVdSgordonjcp: isn't that basically what a graphics card is? :)10:41
MartijnVdS(this is an on-board thing from 2002, remember)10:41
gordonjcpwell yes10:42
livingdaylighthttp://www.wimp.com/tickledpenguin/10:42
MartijnVdSgordonjcp: I love how the new integrated graphics (sandy bridge) is almost as fast as mid-end (is that a word?) ATI/Nvidia10:43
kaushalMartijnVdS: OpenGL 1.4 ?10:44
kaushaldoes that mean its available in 11.04 ?10:45
MartijnVdSkaushal: no, it means version 1.4 of OpenGL10:45
kaushalyes10:45
kaushalso its Video Card specific ?10:46
kaushalExplain me the significance10:46
MartijnVdSkaushal: Every new version of OpenGL requires new things of a graphics chip10:46
MartijnVdSkaushal: so if a graphics chip has enough features to support OpenGL 1.2 but not 1.4, we say it's an OpenGL 1.2 card10:47
MartijnVdSif it support enough for 1.4, it's an OpenGL 1.4 compatible card10:47
livingdaylight11.04 release date coinciding with wedding?10:47
MartijnVdSlivingdaylight: yeah10:47
brobostigongood morning everyone.10:48
brobostigonHazRPG: hi, i think you made a spelling mistake in the first word, of the 4th paragraph of your last blog post.10:49
MartijnVdSkaushal: most GPUs from the last few years support 1.4 easily (but back in '02 the version 1.4 of OpenGL didn't exist yet, so no chips from that time support it)10:49
kaushalok10:50
livingdaylightgnome3 isn't so well received it seems10:51
shaunoI haven't heard anything really negative about either of them.  concerns, but heading in the right direction10:54
gordonjcpMartijnVdS: if nothing else, sticking an FPGA on a card with some supporting hardware will be good for teaching people about video drivers11:03
gordonjcpMartijnVdS: more specificallly, it'll teach the "ZOMG NVidia are teh evils because their drivers are closed-source" crowd that graphic card firmware is Really Really Hard11:03
MartijnVdSgordonjcp: hard firmware doesn't stop intel and ati from releasing specs ;)11:05
gordonjcpMartijnVdS: yeah11:06
gordonjcpMartijnVdS: otoh Intel and ATI cards don't really work very well11:06
MartijnVdSgordonjcp: except they do11:06
gordonjcpATI doesn't11:06
gordonjcpyou get to choose between accelerated video and TV out11:06
MartijnVdSTV out is becoming obsolete though, with HDMI and all11:10
gordonjcpyou can't feed HDMI into a modulator11:10
shaunoproof that if you ignore things for long enough, they *will* go away11:10
gordonjcpMartijnVdS: I won't use or recommend *any* ATI product, now or at any time in the future, because of this11:11
gordonjcpI bought 20 ATI cards that were oldish but still current, about halfway up the technology curve, to use in a video display system11:13
MartijnVdSgordonjcp: I recommend intel graphics these days11:13
gordonjcp"Yes, these cards are fully supported in Linux"11:13
gordonjcpgret11:13
gordonjcp*great, even11:13
gordonjcpsix months down the line and BANG11:13
gordonjcpsupport for them was deleted in the driver11:13
gordonjcpMartijnVdS: I don't like the Intel chipsets11:14
gordonjcpthey're slow and crashy11:14
MartijnVdSgordonjcp: so.. you're a matrox man?11:14
gordonjcpespecially now that they've forced KMS onto it11:14
gordonjcpMartijnVdS: no, I only use NVidia11:14
MartijnVdS*shudder*11:14
gordonjcpmy laptop has Intel, but it only supports text mode11:14
MartijnVdSI've had more problems with nvidia than with ati11:14
gordonjcpthen you're Doing It Wrong11:15
Pendulummorning11:15
MartijnVdSespecially "hey, kernel security upgrade.. now I have to spend a day to get my drivers to work again"11:15
gordonjcp*all* NVidia cards right back to their earliest ones are well-supported in Linux11:15
gordonjcpMartijnVdS: oh, they're broken in Debianish distributions, because of upstream Debian vandalism11:15
MartijnVdSgordonjcp: also, no support for proper display configuration tools (xrandr)11:15
gordonjcpI've never found a practical use for xrandr11:16
MartijnVdSI have11:16
MartijnVdSit works great on my laptop (intel) when connecting it to my TV or a projector11:16
MartijnVdScoworkers with nvidia? problems all the time11:16
gordonjcpI use NVidia; pluggin in projectors just plain works11:16
gordonjcp*plugging11:16
MartijnVdSgordonjcp: not on my coworkers' laptops.. they have to use the tool to write a xorg.conf and then restart X for it to work11:17
MartijnVdSthe nvidia-settings tool11:17
gordonjcpMartijnVdS: they must be doing something wrong, then11:17
gordonjcpI've never used nvidia-settings11:17
MartijnVdSgordonjcp: Yeah, they're not using intel.11:17
MartijnVdSgordonjcp: how do you configure it then?11:17
gordonjcpit all just works perfectly out of the box11:17
gordonjcpput card in, install driver11:17
MartijnVdSgordonjcp: Sure.. attach projector on the fly... how do you tell it to be a second screen instead of a mirror, etc.?11:18
gordonjcpno idea, it's not something I've ever needed to do11:18
MartijnVdSnvidia is bad at that, intel good and ati acceptable (xrandr!)11:18
gordonjcpright, but that's not a good enough reason to switch to otherwise poorly-supported Intel hardware11:19
MartijnVdSgordonjcp: Poorly-supported in what way?11:19
gordonjcpMartijnVdS: they're slow and buggy11:20
gordonjcpMartijnVdS: no 3D support, at sensible speeds11:20
MartijnVdS3D works fine here, at a sensible (for me) speed11:20
MartijnVdSalso, no crashes yet11:20
gordonjcpthey never ever come back from suspend11:20
MartijnVdSMaybe in 2008.. that's worked for ages on my laptop11:20
gordonjcpMartijnVdS: <shrug>11:21
MartijnVdSsince the whole KMS thing11:21
gordonjcpthey don't work *at all* on my laptop11:21
gordonjcpno graphics support since KMS came in11:21
MartijnVdSgordonjcp: what kind of chip?11:21
gordonjcpcan't remember offhand, it's a Thinkpad R50e11:23
gordonjcpintel GM855 rings a bell11:23
MartijnVdSThat's 2003ish?11:23
gordonjcpno idea11:23
gordonjcpMartijnVdS: what's that got to do with anything?11:23
gordonjcpI thought Linux was supposed to work well on older hardware?11:24
MartijnVdSgordonjcp: Older intel chips were poo (on a hardware level). :)11:24
gordonjcpMartijnVdS: right, but is that an excuse for removing support for the card?11:24
MartijnVdSthey fixed that.11:24
MartijnVdSThey didn't remove support. I have a machine with even older (830) graphics that works fine11:24
gordonjcpMartijnVdS: let me just reiterate - the graphics worked about as well as could be expected, *right up until KMS was introduced*11:25
gordonjcpnow there is no graphics support11:25
MartijnVdSgordonjcp: What's the bug number?11:27
brobostigonis dropbox under linux, using excessive amounts of ram, for anyone else, around 500MB in total here.11:28
gordonjcpMartijnVdS: bug number?11:28
MartijnVdSgordonjcp: you did file a bug to report that your graphics doesn't work, right?11:29
gordonjcpMartijnVdS: no, because it's not a bug11:29
MartijnVdSit is.. if hardware isn't supported, file a bug.11:29
gordonjcpIntel want to sell more graphics chipsets by disabling support for older ones, and that's fine11:30
MartijnVdSespecially if it used to be supported.11:30
gordonjcpthey're just not going to sell chips to me11:30
MartijnVdSgordonjcp: except they don't, because it works fine on my even-older Intel chips.11:30
bigcalmdirecthex: does Super Meat Boy audio work for you?12:29
bigcalmThe intro does for me, but then nothing in game12:29
brobostigondoes anyone here use dropbox on 11.04 or 10.10 and get massive ram usage?12:30
popey 2051 alan      20   0  518m  66m  18m S    0  0.8   0:39.94 dropbox12:44
popeyis that massive brobostigon ?12:44
popeyabove it I have xorg, compiz, java and firefox12:45
brobostigonpopey yes, half my ram is big usage.12:51
brobostigongpu hang, on my natty eeepc, so i am logged into it via ssh.12:52
czajkowskipretty day in London12:52
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gordi like it when people try and explain what unity/gnome-shell is, it basically ends up turning into something resembling the fork handles sketch12:58
czajkowskimeh12:59
* brobostigon shakes fist at DRM.13:09
brobostigongpu hang, :(13:09
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: my X recovers from GPU hangs (they don't happen often, but I've had entries in the log about it)13:11
brobostigonMartijnVdS: shows up in dmesg here, and xorg isnt recovering, and it is happening sometimes a few times a day.13:11
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: did you enable/disable KMS?13:12
MartijnVdS(i.e. change from the default)13:12
brobostigonMartijnVdS: not a clue, sorry, it is default.13:12
matti;]13:12
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: can you pastebin "lsmod" output somewhere?13:13
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: (guessing i915 is loaded)13:13
brobostigonMartijnVdS: no problem, one minute.13:13
brobostigonMartijnVdS: http://paste.ubuntu.com/595114/13:14
brobostigonlsmod | pastebinit   :)13:14
MartijnVdSyeah, i915 is loaded.. try rebooting with "i915.modeset=0" on the kernel command line13:15
brobostigonMartijnVdS: umm, ok, i will try, how will that help?13:15
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: it'll let X do all the GPU work, instead of the kernel13:15
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: it uses a different code path, which might be less buggy13:16
brobostigonMartijnVdS: ah, i see. i will try when i next reboot,, thank you.13:16
MartijnVdSor at least differently buggy :)13:16
brobostigonhmm,13:16
MartijnVdShmm?13:18
brobostigonMartijnVdS: can you elaborate on that comment please.13:19
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: Well the KMS (kernel mode setting) code apparently has a bug that makes your GPU hang13:19
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: If you disable KMS and let X do all GPU stuff, if it works better, it might still have bugs13:20
brobostigonMartijnVdS: yes, the many bugs i have read, regarding it, point towards that, yes.13:20
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: other ones than GPU hangs :)13:20
brobostigonMartijnVdS: ah, i see,13:20
MartijnVdSbut a messed-up mouse cursor isn't as bad as a hanging GPU :)13:20
brobostigongreed, atleast with the former i canstill do something, and dont need to rely on ssh to get things working again,13:21
brobostigonagreed*13:21
MartijnVdSvnc ;)13:22
brobostigonor that. yes, :)13:22
jacobwhttp://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Aqo0mtC4HzfP7BGt_NV453Mf3IlQ;_ylv=3?qid=20110417052836AAucfYk13:29
jacobw:|13:30
jacobwi knew there was a reason i'd never porused yahoo answers before13:31
MartijnVdS...13:33
Pendulumsigns of American's weaknesses: one of my mates just tweeted that 20oz is a lot of beer13:34
AlanBellnot sure how much 20oz is, but I do know what a lot of beer is when I see it.13:39
MartijnVdSAlanBell: it's a UK pint13:39
MartijnVdSAlanBell: (US pints are 16oz afaik)13:39
PendulumMartijnVdS: correct13:41
AlanBella lot of beer -> http://twitter.com/#!/search/beerex13:41
Pendulumbecause in the US 1 pint = 2 cups and 1 cup = 8 oz13:41
Pendulumdon't ask me who made these measurements up, I have no idea13:42
MartijnVdS\o/ metric system13:42
Pendulumand I think all pints should be 20oz13:42
Pendulumat least when they involve beer or cider13:42
Pendulumthis is why when someone said earlier this week that 20oz of pepsi was a lot, I disagreed13:43
MartijnVdSfor Americans, it's not13:43
MartijnVdSdon't you get quarts at drive-throughs? :)13:43
PendulumI mostly think if you're used to drinking your beer by the pint, why should it be an issue to drink soft drinks by the pint13:43
Pendulumhaha13:43
PendulumI don't know13:44
Pendulumyou actually might be able to these days...13:44
brobostigonhow much is a quart ?13:44
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: about a liter13:44
* Pendulum has not gone through a drive through since October (and then it was Starbucks and I was getting tea)13:44
Pendulum1.06 liters13:44
brobostigonMartijnVdS: wow, yes, that is quite abit,13:44
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: (2 US pints = 32fl.oz)13:44
brobostigonMartijnVdS: ah,13:44
AlanBellI found that in America all the measurements kind of made sense and everything fitted13:45
AlanBellso you get a *huge* thing of milk, but it exactly fits the *huge* fridge13:45
MartijnVdSAlanBell: that's because most things are dual-measurement :)13:45
Pendulumhaha13:45
MartijnVdSAlanBell: Urinals and toilets were marked with their volume in both liters and weird American measures13:45
* AlanBell is astonished that a urinal has a rated volume13:46
Pendulumwhen I was a kid we'd go though a *huge* thing of milk in about 3 days (if not less time than that)13:46
* AlanBell is bubbling over with unsuitable urinal related comments13:46
* brobostigon imagines bad tolilet humour.13:47
brobostigontoilet*13:47
* AlanBell goes to put some stuff on the BBQ. Laters all o/13:47
brobostigonbye, enjoy AlanBell :)13:48
PendulumAlanBell: have fun!13:48
popeywheeeee!13:53
* popey files 3 more bugs in unity13:53
popeybug 76356913:53
lubotu3Launchpad bug 763569 in unity (Ubuntu) "Ugly horizontal panel bar visible when switching workspaces" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/76356913:53
popeybug 76357613:53
lubotu3Launchpad bug 763576 in unity (Ubuntu) "Ugly white boxes when switching windows or indicators" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/76357613:53
popeybug 76357913:53
lubotu3Launchpad bug 763579 in unity (Ubuntu) "Panel drop shadow causes issues for screencasting apps" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/76357913:53
popeydecided no to use "ugly" on the last one :)13:54
shaunoadmit it, you just couldn't device between 'ugly drop shadow' and 'ugly issues'13:54
shaunoer, *decide13:54
ali12341heh, the dropshadow moves but the panel doesn't13:55
popeyindeed13:55
popeyi want an option to disable that drop shadow13:56
popeyi also want a pony13:56
ali12341"use classic desktop"13:56
popey:)13:57
popeywhen someone has asked me to make videos for a book, where the feature of the book is.. unity13:57
popeythat suggestion sadly wont wash :)13:57
popeymaybe the book should say "hey, unity is the new UI, but we wont show it cos it's broken like"13:58
ali12341"this page intentionally left blank" x 50013:58
popeyhaha13:58
popeyand just a copy of big buck bunny on the cd13:58
dutchieAlanBell/Pendulum: there is a austrian pub in worcester where you can buy beer by the litre :)13:58
PendulumI've been to a pub in Germany where that was possible13:59
brobostigonplenty of pubs in germany, etc do that.14:00
popeyi suspect the point being that this is the UK, where we don't take to metrification of our beer14:00
dutchieindeed, but not many this side of the channel14:00
dutchieand a litre is quite a lot14:00
shaunoremember finding a place in prague that served by the litre.  we vowed never to leave.14:03
shaunoin my defence, I don't remember leaving14:03
Pendulummaybe you didn't. maybe this is all an illusion and you're still there14:04
shaunothat may explain a lot14:05
MartijnVdSshauno: good thing beer is cheaper than water in Prague14:07
MartijnVdSshauno: (we had a €11 bottle of water in our hotel room there)14:08
popeyyeah, that was outrageous14:08
popeyalthough we took a fon access point and used it to share the hotel wired network to our wifi devices14:08
popeysomeone paid to use it :)14:08
shaunoI've taken to always taking a router with me :/14:09
shaunowith what they charge in roaming costs, it's worth the hassle just for my phone14:09
nucc1anyone have any idea why my gnome3 desktop power management is not turning off my monitors?14:15
nucc1i also can't find a shutdown button anywhere14:15
kazadenucc1, hold ALT.. suspend turns to shutdown apparently14:18
nucc1kazade, aye. thanks. hmmm.14:19
MartijnVdSkazade: another great "feature"14:24
brobostigonMartijnVdS: and or should i try the newest kernel from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.39-rc3-natty/ aswell ?14:34
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: change one variable at a time -- if the kernel command line option works, say so on the bug14:35
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: then try the ppa kernel, check if IT works (with and without the option)14:36
MartijnVdSand report again14:36
brobostigonMartijnVdS: ok, yes, you are right, thank you.14:36
HazRPGlo \o14:50
HazRPGbrobostigon: hmm? I did?14:50
MartijnVdShowdy14:50
HazRPGMartijnVdS: howdy doodle \o14:51
HazRPGbrobostigon: no, I spelled that right :)14:51
HazRPGbrobostigon: alis is a bot /msg alis help :)14:52
brobostigonHazRPG: i didnt know, so i thought it was a mistake, sorry.14:52
HazRPGbrobostigon: its ok :)14:53
brobostigonHazRPG: :)14:53
HazRPGbrobostigon: guessing you didn't see the video then :P14:53
brobostigonHazRPG: i havent yet, i only got as far as reading it, atthe moment,14:53
HazRPGbrobostigon: alis is very useful, and she accepts wildcards :)14:57
brobostigonHazRPG: i just watched your video, yes, i need tohve a pplaywith this, it looks interesting.15:00
HazRPGbrobostigon: its useful when one is being lazy :)15:01
HazRPGeven more useful since it'll tell you how many people are in there too15:02
brobostigonHazRPG: which i dontthink irssi's list function doesnt do.15:02
HazRPGI always use the wildcard in the front and the back just in case.15:03
MartijnVdS/names gives a total15:03
HazRPGmainly because I'm never sure if it has # or ## or not hash at all15:03
brobostigonHazRPG: goodpoint, yes.15:03
brobostigonMartijnVdS: /names is a  userlist though, not channel listing,15:04
HazRPGMartijnVdS: Ah, but that's if your already /in/ a channel :P15:04
brobostigonoh, yes. sorry, minterpretation.15:04
HazRPGMartijnVdS: hehe, just found this album on u1ms: Various Artists - The Workout Mix 201115:06
HazRPGseems to have 52 songs, each of roughly £0.99, or £8.99 for the album!15:06
MartijnVdSHazRPG: good deal15:07
HazRPGseems to have a mix of old and new on there15:07
HazRPGooo, it even has: Owl City - Fireflies!15:08
HazRPGI like that song :)15:08
MartijnVdSHazRPG: it's not in the international store15:09
MartijnVdSbut several "80s workout mixes" are 8-)15:09
HazRPGMartijnVdS: seriously, it isn't!? :O15:09
HazRPGthat sucks :(15:09
MartijnVdSno.. probably contains Sony/BMG artists15:09
MartijnVdSEverything except Sony/BMG and some "independent" labels aren't on there15:10
HazRPGLabel: Universal Music Ireland Ltd.15:10
MartijnVdShmm15:10
HazRPGsearch for "Renegade Master" that was what I looked for15:11
HazRPGand how I found it15:11
brobostigonhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cos7APz8ves&feature=player_embedded15:11
brobostigonvery funny,15:11
HazRPGwas trying to find the fatboy slim version, but found the original for some reason lol15:11
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: you can get an u1ms link from the store15:11
brobostigonMartijnVdS: ?15:12
HazRPGMartijnVdS: not sure if it'll show up, but here it is: http://www.7digital.com/artists/various-artists/the-workout-mix-2011/15:12
HazRPGbrobostigon: I think he meant me :P15:13
brobostigonHazRPG: ah, maybe.15:13
MartijnVdSuhr15:13
MartijnVdSyes15:13
MartijnVdSsorry15:13
HazRPGMartijnVdS: you can't get a u1ms link as far as I know... but all the music comes directly from 7digital anyways15:13
HazRPGaccording to the bottom of the u1ms anyways :P15:14
HazRPG"Service provided by 7digital ©2004-2010 7digital"15:14
HazRPGMartijnVdS: did the 7digital link work?15:14
MartijnVdSHazRPG: that does15:14
MartijnVdSbut 7digital has a Dutch sture15:14
MartijnVdSstore*15:14
MartijnVdSwhile U1MS doesn't (afaik)15:14
HazRPGMartijnVdS: yeah I think 7digital have a deal with canonical15:15
HazRPGeither that, or they're hoping people will subscribe to their extra space package15:16
HazRPGI'll see if I can urlsnarf the u1ms url :)15:16
MartijnVdSHazRPG: you can't.. it's generated by Rhythmbox15:17
HazRPGMartijnVdS: can on my side ;)15:17
HazRPGMartijnVdS: heh, rofl, its just a forward to this page: http://www.7digital.com/artists/various-artists/the-workout-mix-201115:18
MartijnVdSHazRPG: exactly.. have Rhythmbox copy the URL for you :)15:18
HazRPGactual link that rhythm makes is: http://stores.7digital.com/7_1/productDetail.aspx?pid=1057708&sid=29036561&tid=1162356315:19
HazRPGMartijnVdS: check out ma google fuuuuuu ;)15:20
HazRPGhttp://www.7digital.com/stores/default.aspx?shop=49615:20
HazRPGdo I know my web stuff, or do I know my web stuff :P15:20
MartijnVdSHazRPG: when playing a song, right-click and select "Copy U1MS URL" or something15:20
HazRPGMartijnVdS: I can't right-click in rhythm at all in the music store15:21
MartijnVdSHazRPG: "Get link to Music Store" outside the store, when playing a song15:23
HazRPGMartijnVdS: "Unable to automatically detect which song is currently playing. Please try searching for the song in the Ubuntu One Music Store."15:25
kvarleyhttp://www.roozz.com/ - How can I make their 32-bit linux plugin work on a 64-bit install of ubuntu?15:26
HazRPGMartijnVdS: doesn't matter what I do or search for same results15:26
MartijnVdSHazRPG: :|15:26
MartijnVdSTime to listen to some "real music" (on vinyl :))15:30
HazRPGlol15:31
HazRPGthat is sooooo weird15:31
MartijnVdSHazRPG: says the person who bought a C64 to play SIDs15:31
HazRPGthe u1ms on the browser can't seem to find the "The Workout Mix 2011" but in Rhythmbox it can :S15:32
HazRPGMartijnVdS: lol, no vinyl is awesome :)15:32
HazRPGMartijnVdS: I meant u1ms15:32
MartijnVdS\o/ Kraftwerk15:39
MartijnVdS"Produced in W. Germany"15:43
gordonjcpyay, Kraftwerk15:45
gordonjcpincidentally, regarding playing SID tunes15:45
gordonjcpI have eight new-old-stock 6581s in a bag sitting here15:45
MartijnVdSHazRPG: ^ you reading that? :)15:45
HazRPGgordonjcp: :o!15:46
HazRPGMartijnVdS: I am now, thanks for the buzz :P15:46
MartijnVdSHazRPG: /help hilight15:47
gordonjcpHazRPG: I've had them for about 20 years15:47
gordonjcpHazRPG: I grabbed them from the spares drawer of a computer shop I was working for when it went bust and was being cleared out15:48
HazRPGgordonjcp: awesome :)15:48
directhexbigcalm: yeah, it's very squishy soundig15:48
gordonjcpHazRPG: *if* I'd thought that they would ever be worth anything I'd have desoldered the 6581s from the 70 or 80 semi-dead C64s that we threw in the skip15:48
HazRPGgordonjcp: >_<15:49
HazRPGwait desolder?15:49
HazRPGthey just pop out lol15:49
gordonjcpHazRPG: in 1992, they were horrible old shite that didn't even work and no-one wanted them for anything15:49
gordonjcpthe 6581?15:49
gordonjcpsoldered in...15:49
gordonjcpnot hard to desolder15:49
gordonjcphot air paintstripper, heat the board, whack it off the bench15:49
HazRPGoh, the actual clip is soldered on, but the chip itself isn't15:50
gordonjcpHazRPG: hm, they are on most C64s15:50
* gordonjcp -> off out15:50
HazRPGgordonjcp: I've got 2 here, and I took them out with a screw driver, cleaned off some muck off them and popped them back :P15:50
gordonjcpHazRPG: for maximum geekyness I wanted to mount them on a QBus protoboard and fit them in my PDP1115:50
HazRPGgordonjcp: do those chips still work?15:51
gordonjcpHazRPG: probably, they've been packed in antistatic stuff for all that time15:51
HazRPGgordonjcp: how many you got? And do you mind sparing one?15:52
HazRPGgordonjcp: cos the one I've got seems to be defunct :(15:52
HazRPGmakes some unnatural sounds15:53
MartijnVdSlike.. a bit computery?15:53
MartijnVdSlike chiptunes?15:53
MartijnVdS</sorry>15:53
HazRPGloool15:57
HazRPGnah, its got more of a crackle then it should :/15:57
HazRPGn can't play some of the notes for some odd reason :(15:57
HazRPGMartijnVdS: u1ms has arabic music!15:58
MartijnVdSit does?15:59
HazRPGMartijnVdS: It does! And no wonder I couldn't find them... I was trying to type their names in arabic... when it's the english written the way it would sound in arabic15:59
HazRPGwhich makes them harder to find :(15:59
HazRPGsearch for Hakim :)16:00
MartijnVdSHazRPG: I don't think I'd get much out of Arabic music16:00
MartijnVdSHazRPG: problem 1: the language ;)16:00
HazRPGMartijnVdS: That's no excuse lol, I listen to german and other languages... and I don't understand them :P16:01
HazRPGMartijnVdS: Seems his most popular album which made him famous in Egypt isn't on there for some stupid reason: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf8jsnwrk-0 <== this song16:02
gordpeople listen to music for the lyrics? crazy people16:04
HazRPGMartijnVdS: omg the music channel called mazika (mazika = music), seems to be recommending IE9 for some reason! http://www.mazika.com/Default.aspx16:04
MartijnVdSbecuase MS sponsors!16:04
MartijnVdS</conspiracy>16:05
HazRPGlol16:05
HazRPGI seriously need to set up shop in Egypt and teach them some sense!16:05
gordwould be nice if u1 made an online music streaming service16:07
MartijnVdSgord: like spotify?16:07
gordno16:07
HazRPGwould be, but I don't think 7digital do streaming16:07
gordlike the music streaming it already has, but not limited to my phone16:07
HazRPGseems its restart time16:17
HazRPGavoided it for a while (updates required restart)16:17
HazRPGbut seems I can't avoid it any longer lol16:17
MartijnVdSbye16:17
MartijnVdSand good luck ;)16:17
HazRPGlol16:18
HazRPGindeed16:18
HazRPGbrb16:18
HazRPGback16:21
HazRPGheh, seems i didn't miss much16:22
AzelphurWell, there goes my new internet, that only took 1 day :(16:25
HazRPGAzelphur: Hmm?16:25
AzelphurMy dad phoned them up while I was asleep and started demanding the ADSL Login information told them he was going to hack it and that their company policy was stupid16:25
Azelphurand I think I even overheard him making some sexist jokes at the expense of the tech support lady.16:25
Azelphursomething about it's in the female genes16:26
DJonesAzelphur: Why did he do that16:26
AzelphurDJones: so he can get my internet cut off \o/16:26
HazRPGAzelphur: ouch16:26
HazRPGAzelphur: can your dad even hack :/?16:26
Azelphurindeed, that only lasted a day haha16:26
Myrttido I even want to know...?16:26
DJonesMyrtti: Probably not16:26
AzelphurHazRPG: he did reflash the old version of the sky router but I think he doesn't know how to do the newer ones16:27
HazRPGAzelphur: was all this just because the internet was being funny?16:27
AzelphurHazRPG: the internet went down, I was going to get called back by tier 2 support today or tomorrow to arrange a replacement router or BT engineer16:28
HazRPGAzelphur: I knew it was a good move to go from UKonline to BeThere instead of sky16:28
Azelphurhaha, sky didn't really do anything wrong it's probably just that the router broke16:28
HazRPGAzelphur: my point exactly :P16:28
Azelphurnow my dads being abusive to them I'll probably end up getting cut off or something \o/16:28
HazRPGAzelphur: my old ISP UKonline said they'd merged with Sky, and that they're asking us to shift our details by Jan of this year over to Sky... I said "hell no..." and went elsewhere16:29
Myrttiis it a good thing you're getting cut off?16:29
Myrttino, wait, nevermind16:29
MyrttiI don't want to know.16:29
Azelphurno, I've only had it one day haha16:29
Azelphurmy dads just trying to sabotage it so I get no internet, it's a power game :(16:30
MartijnVdS.. move out?16:30
Azelphuron my todo list :P16:30
HazRPGAzelphur: mainly because sky had me on hold for like 2-3hrs when I was going to merge it over... instead I just asked for my MAC code because if that's the support I was going to get from them, then I wanted nothing to do with them. I preferred UKonline's 24/7 support service16:30
DJonesAzelphur: If the contract is in your name why is he ringing them up, if its in his name .... Its up to him :)16:30
AzelphurHazRPG: when I called it seemed nice, they answered pretty quick and have 24/7 now and I didn't get mucked about with the whole "Right click my computer" "BUT THE ADSL SYNC LIGHT IS RED" thing16:31
AzelphurDJones: my mum in her great wisdom and against my advice let him take it in his name16:31
Azelphurand i knew something like this would happen and told her so :)16:31
HazRPGAzelphur: you probably got through to the UKonline support team, guessing they kept them on if its 24hrs now lol16:31
HazRPGthe UKonline support team was always great to me16:32
AzelphurHazRPG: seemed cool as I say, I got through to tier 0 and I said the internet is down, and before they started asking me questions I just said "The ADSL Light on the router is Amber" "Solid amber?" "Yes" "Hold while I put you through to tier 1"16:32
HazRPGI could ring them up any time, say the word linux... and they'll be like ahhhh, well in that case, I'm guessing you've tried x, y, z... hang on a moment *type type type*16:32
Azelphurstraight through to tier 1, tier 1 starts running line tests16:32
Azelphurand meanwhile we talk about Linux and virtualization xD16:32
Azelphuryea that's pretty much what happened to me16:33
HazRPGhehe16:33
HazRPGI loved the ukonline team :)16:33
HazRPGBeThere have an irc server though :P16:33
AzelphurHazRPG: they arn't unbundled in my area + they are Unlimited* :P16:34
HazRPGAzelphur: hmm?16:34
AzelphurBe have a FUP16:34
HazRPGmoment door16:34
HazRPGAzelphur: UKonline did... it was 500GB FUP ;)16:35
Azelphuryea sky is no fup that's why I chose :P16:36
nucc1to move virtualbox VMs to another machine, is it enough to just copy the .Virtualbox folder across?16:50
Myrttizoink17:14
MyrttiComic Sans used in telly :-(17:14
* MartijnVdS gave up on that specific fight17:14
Myrttiaw, this programme has the same background music early Who do you think you are-shows have17:18
jacobw'ambigous title'17:19
AlanBellcan anyone confirm the instructions here work? http://launchpad.net/circleoffriends17:23
dutchieseems to17:25
dutchiealthough i can't see any tweets17:25
dutchieaha17:25
AlanBellyeah, good point, people might expect it to load past tweets17:26
Myrttiwohey, election night17:28
AlanBellissyl0: dutchie: fun isn't it!17:31
dutchieit is17:31
issyl0AlanBell: Yes!17:31
gordAlanBell, any aspirations to get that in to gwibber? :)17:31
AlanBellscreaming fast twitter updates in gwibber, hmm17:31
* dutchie is investigating patching streaming api into current twitter client17:32
AlanBellgord: I have seen the insides of gwibber17:32
AlanBellwhich is why I started from scratch17:32
gordcan you not just keep it as a library that you can hook in to, then you can keep your client for your own development and hook gwibber into the library for gwibber17:33
AlanBellIt would be good to get it in, but it would be a bit of a rearchitecture job that the core developers would need to be heavily involved in17:33
gordthe main reason i keep using gwibber rather than better other clients, is because gwibber does everything, so i wouldn't use something thats twitter only17:33
AlanBellthe library is available, tweepy. I contributed the upstream patch to get user streams working17:33
AlanBellI just wanted a light framework I could experiment with, and gwibber isn't that17:34
AlanBellI don't know if identi.ca has a streaming API17:35
gordsure :) why i said asparations - i never start of coding a new project or idea in something big like gwibber, i always prototype and make sure i get it working in a nice light client17:35
MartijnVdSAlanBell: TDD? :)17:35
AlanBell"17:36
MartijnVdS"?17:36
AlanBellPrivate streams are not implemented in StatusNet yet."17:36
AlanBellyeah, this is a prototype17:36
AlanBellbut it might end up as a quite functional twitter client17:36
* MartijnVdS loves test suites :)17:36
MyrttiStatus.net has very little private anything anyway17:37
Myrttiwhich is one of the reasons I stopped using it17:37
MartijnVdSIt's the internet, I don't assume privacy anyway17:38
AlanBellit is a betamax vs VHS thing17:38
gordnot if you have a client that works on everything ;)17:38
MyrttiI assume that in the Internet I don't have to hand my information on a silver platter to malicious people17:39
MartijnVdSMyrtti: you don't have to, but they wouldn't mind of course :)17:40
Myrttibut anyway, it's a discussion of apples and oranges, status.net obviously isn't for everyone17:40
Myrttiwhich is why everyone aren't using it17:40
MyrttiAHAHAHAAa election night alright, national broadcasting company is using the vote data well17:48
Myrttihttp://beta.yle.fi/eduskuntavaalit_2011/ - race for being PM17:49
ali12341Myrtti: but who do i root for?18:35
AlanBell!root18:44
lubotu3Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo18:44
DJonesAlanBell: Just about to try circleoffriends, would you expect it to want to download & install 328Mb of files for the sudo apt-get install bzr quickly ?19:20
AlanBellnot if you are starting from Ubuntu19:23
AlanBellit can be done with fewer dependencies19:23
DJonesAlanBell: Fresh install of 10.10, updated to Natty wants to install 328Mb, give me a sec & I'll pastebin the list19:24
AlanBellbzr (to get it) and python-gtk2 python-gobject python-launchpad-integration python-distutils-extra desktopcouch19:24
AlanBellthe rest are bloat that quickly wants then19:24
DJonesSorry, download 83Mb, but install 328Mb19:24
AlanBelloh, that sounds about right then19:24
AlanBellquite a lot of that is quickly bloat19:25
AlanBelland things like glade19:25
DJoneshttp://pastebin.com/RsiWJWZj19:25
AlanBelltry installing my smaller list instead, how big is that?19:26
AlanBellsudo apt-get install bzr python-gtk2 python-gobject python-launchpad-integration python-distutils-extra desktopcouch19:26
DJonesThats download 4Mb, with 31Mb of disk space require for that line19:27
AlanBellok, a worthy difference, I will update the instructions19:28
DJonesJust installing that, presumably it then needs the bzr branch line as step 219:29
popeyAlanBell: I suspect help -> report a problem only works for apps that are known on launchpad19:29
popeyknown by apport that is19:29
AlanBellpopey: yeah, I think it might be done when it gets packaged by quickly and build by launchpad19:30
popeyyeah19:30
AlanBellDJones: yeah that bit is the same, but instead of "quickly run" it would be ./bin/circleoffriends19:30
DJonesAlanBell: Do I need to be logged into launchpad/BZR "You have not informed bzr of your Launchpad ID, and you must do this to19:33
DJoneswrite to Launchpad or access private data.  See "bzr help launchpad-login".19:33
AlanBellno, you don't need to do that19:34
AlanBellunless you want to commit code back19:34
DJonesBranched 8 revision(s).             ok19:34
DJonesUp & running with the updated instructions19:37
AzelphurIs it possible to open a dispute on amazon around a year after you've purchased something?19:40
AzelphurThey are not honoring the warranty19:40
AlanBelltry it and see19:41
Azelphurthink I can19:43
AzelphurAlanBell: they keep ignoring my calls and emails, after a month of trying they sent me a 16GB Class 2 card in replacement for my 16GB Class 1019:43
DJonesAlanBell: Its certainly fast & I can see it just showing new tweets.  It wasn't showing any tweets while I had gwibber running, possibly there's a conflict/gwibber was interfering with the feed19:49
DJonesJust going to restart gwibber & see whether the same thing happens19:49
DJonesDoesn't seem to be a problem now19:53
Myrttithe party that is in the same group with UKIP in EU parliament is gaining over 15% of votes in comparison to the election four years ago... people are planning an exodus abroad... wohey.19:57
popeyAzelphur: who made the device?19:57
popeyAzelphur: and was it actually amazon that sold it to you or a 3rd party via the marketplace?19:58
ali12341the music store uses the U-O login right?20:03
popeyyes20:04
ali12341oops i broke it20:04
ali12341bug report time20:04
ali12341well i went into banshee and tried to buy something20:05
ali12341and it brought up a confusing windows saying to create an account20:05
ali12341but i already have an ubuntu one account20:05
ali12341so i cancelled it20:05
ali12341but then banshee just gets stuck - looks like i'll have to quit and restart20:05
DJonesAfter reading so many complaints and dislikes about Natty & Unity I was expecting something awful, but having used it for a couple of days, I'm impressed with it.  Workspace switcher works brilliantly for me & how I'm using my machine20:06
ali12341ubuntu-bug won't let me report a bug because "this is not a genuine ubuntu package"20:06
ali12341but i can't report bugs against banshee unless i use their daily ppa20:07
gordubuntu-bug is for reporting bugs against ubuntu not specific projects :)20:20
gordapport-bug is what i think? can't quite remember20:21
ali12341is the banshee plugin in a separate package?20:21
ali12341the UO plugin for banshee i mean20:21
gordno idea20:21
popeybanshee-extension-ubuntuonemusicstore - Media Management and Playback application - U1MS extension20:22
popeyyes20:22
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ali12341apparently that's not a genuine ubuntu package either20:26
MartijnVdSali12341: it is in natty20:26
ali12341oh it exists20:26
MartijnVdShave 2.0.0-1ubuntu2 here20:26
ali12341but the version i have is from banshee ppa20:26
ali123412.0.0+git20110414.r1.b394d0d-0ubuntu1+maverick20:27
ali12341is what i have20:27
MartijnVdSdaily build?20:27
ali12341yes20:27
ali12341banshee developers won't accept bug reports unless you jump through these pointless hoops20:27
gordrequiring people to use the latest software really isn't pointless =\20:31
ali12341it is when the bug has always existed and is trivial to reproduce20:33
gordwhat if its already fixed in the latest version?20:33
gordwhat if it doesn't happen the same way?20:33
ali12341well guess what... it isn't20:33
ali12341it happens the exact same way it always has20:33
gordyes but what if? this is why these pointless hoops exist20:34
ali12341i'm pretty sure these pointless hoops exist so that the developers can just ask "does it still happen with the newest version?" every 6 months until i get bored and they close the bug20:34
gordif you ship software to millions of people, some bugs are gonna get fixed in a newer version and people on older version are gonna keep reporting them, with good intent but if its already solved there is no point, its just extra work20:34
ali12341the thing is, bugs don;t often fix themselves20:36
ali12341if you don't know if it's fixed in the newest version, you should assume it isn't20:36
gordits not an assumption, its a priority, if someone confirms something exists in the latest version, as a developer, i'm gonna pay attention to that bug, i *know* its a bug *now* - otherwise i don't know its current status20:37
ali12341sometimes it looks an awful lot like absolutely nobody ever looks at bug reports apart from the people who ask "is this still a bug?"20:38
ali12341and i very often feel like replying by saying"did you fix it? if not it's still a bug"20:39
directhexon launchpad, that's definitely true.20:41
directhexmost bugs fall into a black hole20:41
ali12341sure, this criticism mainly about launchpad20:41
ali12341the only bugs that i have on launchpad that have ever got fixed, got fixed because i reported them upstream myself20:42
ali12341i notice there is a bug about how launchpad can't really handle bugs against ppas yet...20:49
jacobwi'm looking at book swap websites, does anyone have any reccomendations?21:03
Azelphurpopey: transcend made it, and it was a 3rd party seller21:16
Azelphurpopey: I checked with transcend the retailer is supposed to be responsible for warranty replacements21:16
popeyso you're contacting the 3rd party?21:16
Azelphuryes, I contacted them via email and phone21:16
popeyand you've complained to amazon?21:17
AzelphurI want to21:17
Azelphurthey have live chat open tomorrow so I'll probably prod the live chat people and ask what I should do about it21:17
Azelphurpopey: I sent them a email explaining it was broken, they emailed me back saying to send it to them. I sent it back, a month went by with no communication, so I sent them a email asking where my card was, this went ignored for 10 days, so I called them, they said they was shipping the card out today, I got the card and it's a class 2 instead of class 621:18
AzelphurI called them back and they said the guy I need to talk to wasn't in and they'd call me back, they didn't. I called them again and left a message on their answering machine, still no callback21:19
Azelphurso now I'm looking to escalate :p21:19
popeywho are the supplier?21:21
Azelphurpopey: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/seller/at-a-glance.html?ie=UTF8&seller=A388NQR4J28IX21:21
AzelphurIn other news, since I now have no cabled internet, I wonder how long before giffgaff gets mad at me, I've done 800MB in 24 hours on my mobile haha21:29
jacobwaccording to their tos they don't like tethering21:34
Azelphurjacobw: exactly.21:35
daftykinsgiffgaff?21:36
popeymobile phone network here21:36
daftykinsreally o021:36
daftykinslittle startup?21:37
popeybasically a spin off of O221:37
popeyno21:37
nick_hi21:38
AlanBellhi nick_21:39
daftykinsinteresting21:39
nick_does anyone have that problem with ubuntu where it hangs on shutdown?21:39
czajkowskidear unity please stop randomly crashing today for no reason what so ever21:40
czajkowski:(21:40
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daftykinsmaybe its plumping its' pillow21:40
czajkowskiunity and I are going to have a falling out one of these days21:40
AlanBellnick_: yeah21:40
popeyczajkowski: 13:56:32 < ali12341> "use classic desktop"21:40
nick_Yu have that problem, cuz i do and i have to do a hard shutdown21:41
daftykinsczajkowski: it wants more TLC in your relationship by the sounds21:41
AlanBellwell actually my laptop doesn't shut down from the gui, but sudo halt does shut it down and turns it off21:41
czajkowskipopey: possibly tbh21:41
HazRPGis there a tool or daemon that can clear up some RAM on the fly?21:41
nick_do u have the ubuntu logo and them balls go across screen?21:41
czajkowskidaftykins: I'm not feeling it's love by now, beta 2 should be a lot more propper21:41
HazRPGI really don't like how things that use either Java or Flash seem to just hog my PC's RAM as if its all theirs21:42
AlanBellno, shutdown just doesn't do much21:42
nick_is everyone here using ubuntu?21:42
daftykinsHazRPG: it's Adobe making their presence known21:42
HazRPGdaftykins: true, but what about java?21:42
jacobwmany of us do nick_21:42
ali12341nick_: there's one guy who uses fedora21:42
daftykinsoh java too21:42
daftykinsnasty.21:42
popeyhttp://ubuntuone.com/p/TGO/   SPOONS!21:43
AzelphurSHUN THE NONBELIEVER21:43
jacobwthere's even one guy who uses beos :p21:43
Azelphurshuuuuuuuuuun :p21:43
nick_lmao21:43
ali12341yeah but not exclusively21:43
ali12341i hope21:43
ali12341popey: what's the difference between one.ubuntu.com and ubuntuone.com?21:44
daftykinswindows here21:44
daftykins\o/21:44
* daftykins hides21:44
nick_i hate windows21:44
ali12341(other than the first one works and the latter doesn't?)21:44
popeyali12341: ubuntuone.com is the public fileshare url21:44
daftykinsand ubuntu servers + desktop21:44
daftykins:>21:44
daftykinsi'm typing from ubuntu via ubuntu right now21:44
ali12341popey: ah i see21:44
Azelphurali12341: same, ubuntuone.com didn't work for me21:44
daftykinsvia synergy \o/21:44
popeyits not supposed to Azelphur21:44
ali12341popey: your link didn't load up at first, it just timed out21:45
popeyheh21:45
popeynice infrastructure21:45
ali12341then it turned out just to be a picture of some spoons21:45
popeyindeed21:45
popeyhence the comment21:45
nick_anyone use opensuse?21:45
ali12341i tried it once21:45
ali12341didn't like it21:45
nick_lol why?21:45
ali12341suse specific system admin tools suck21:46
nick_they are great21:46
ali12341slow and unpredictable21:46
nick_what other distros have u used?21:46
ali12341you never know if it's going to work or crash out half way through21:46
AzelphurI mostly use Ubuntu an Android, I've used Debian but don't use it for anything currently21:46
nick_Ubuntu is ok21:47
nick_can be a pain in the ass at times21:47
nick_i dual boot it with vista21:47
Azelphurso can anything :p21:47
Azelphurlolvista :D21:47
Azelphurnow there's a pain in the ass21:47
nick_its ok tbh xD21:47
Azelphur7 or xp is one thing, but you can't say ubuntu is a pain in the ass and be using vista21:47
Azelphurit just doesn't compute :D21:47
nick_vista works ok for me21:48
Azelphurlol21:48
ali12341nick_: slackware, red hat, suse, knoppix, gentoo, kubuntu, ubuntu, openwrt, lfs, buildroot, fedora, opensuse... in that order21:48
nick_ive tried a few of them. Never heard of openwrt...21:48
ali12341oh i forgot debian... but i never really got past the first five minutes with it21:48
nick_i like setting up servers with linux mostly21:49
ali12341oh yeah i used centos on servers too21:49
ali12341but now i use ubuntu21:49
nick_ive tried it as a live cd. is it any good?21:49
ali12341which one lol?21:50
nick_centos21:50
ali12341it's rhel with the logos filed off21:50
nick_yh i no its a duplicate21:50
ali12341good for servers sure21:50
ali12341dunno if i would use it for desktop21:51
nick_why?21:51
ali12341i prefer to use up to date software21:51
nick_i tried arch, but couldnt get the network to work lol21:52
ali12341of course if they stop developing gnome classic i'll have no reason to keep upgrading21:52
ali12341then i could switch to centos when it eventually gets the "last" version21:52
HazRPGseems the programs I like using often are bad bad offenders of memory leaks :(21:52
nick_where you from?21:52
ali12341the UK, funnily enough21:54
nick_haha same21:54
popeyhttp://ubuntuone.com/p/OlP/21:54
popeyput your sunglasses on21:54
popeyand earplugs21:54
ali12341WHY21:54
popeyand dont click that if you're epeleptic21:54
* popey is surfing u121:54
ali12341how so?21:55
ali12341just typing random urls?21:55
popeykinda :)21:55
nick_http://sourmath.com21:55
popeysemi-random21:55
nick_www.sourmath.com21:55
popeydude21:55
popeyinappropriate21:55
nick_lmfao21:56
nick_my bad21:56
nick_opensuse is great21:57
nick_anyone know how to clone a partition, like windows and put in a virtual machine?21:58
popeyp2v21:58
ali12341hmm downloading random shared files21:58
ali12341from ubuntu one21:59
ali12341i just got some dude's CV21:59
popeyali12341: fun, isnt it :)21:59
ali12341skills: autocad, microsoft office, matlab21:59
Azelphurlol office :D21:59
ali12341(word, excel *and* powerpoint!)22:00
Azelphurindeed xD22:01
nickhi22:04
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Guest71737kkk22:06
Guest71737#whois nick22:06
Guest71737#whois /nick22:06
AlanBellhi Guest7173722:08
AlanBelltry /nick yourname22:08
AlanBelloh, I see, you need to pick something more unique than "nick"22:09
* popey chuckles at http://ubuntuone.com/p/HDf/22:16
ali12341does not work22:17
popeyavi file plays in ff4 here22:17
ali12341trying to downlaod with wget, it renamed it to "index.html"22:18
popeylinedance_nastop_20100918_00009_720x405.avi22:18
ali12341why does everything have to mangle urls?22:18
popey-o that22:18
AzelphurI've always wondered why wget doesn't manage to get the right file name half of the time22:18
Azelphurwhen web browsers do22:18
ali12341it's a gzip22:18
popeyyeah, which the browser will unzip on the fly22:19
ali12341gunzip index.html :/22:19
popeyheh22:19
ali12341this is somewhat less amusing than i expected it would be22:20
popeyheh22:20
popeysorry :)22:20
popeymust try harder22:20
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ali12341i'm using an ordered approach: http://ubuntuone.com/p/aah/22:26
popeyheh22:26
popeyI'm using pwgen -nc -0 3 122:26
AlanBellyou could set up a script to post them to twitpic22:28
ali12341adjacent codes often seem to belong to same person22:28
ali12341guess they are handed out sequentially22:28
popeythey are22:28
popeyi have currently got ~66GB of it22:28
popey385 mp3's22:28
ali12341but why22:28
popeyfun22:28
ali12341i know a website where you can get lots of mp3s22:28
popeyheh, I dont necessarily want them22:28
popeyjust interested to see what people are sharing22:28
ali12341why pwgen?22:28
popeyeasy way to generate a 3 digit random22:28
ali12341ok22:28
ali12341it seems like the "gaps" must be files that were shared then deleted22:28
popeyyeah22:28
ali12341so i can just share a file then work backwards from the UUID i get :)22:28
popeyheh22:28
ali12341i mean UID22:28
ali12341damn this guy sure likes metal detectors22:28
popeynFt22:28
popeyis the latest I got22:28
AzelphurHmm, I read some interesting stuff on xda-developers about microsd o.O22:30
ali12341don't believe anything you read on xda-developers22:31
Azelphurapparently lower classes are better for phones, the higher class microsds suck at random i/o and have high sequential22:31
Azelphuryea it did sound a bit dodgy xD22:31
ali12341looooooooooool22:31
ali12341seek time on flash media22:31
ali12341wat22:31
Azelphurali12341: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12849512&postcount=12 :P22:32
daftykinsi always get a client to upgrade his micro sd's to class 6 from the included 2's22:34
daftykinsi'd benchmark both mine but i can't be bothered22:35
hamitronevening22:36
AlanBell!info python-sexy22:41
lubotu3Package python-sexy does not exist in maverick22:41
AlanBell!info python-sexy hardy22:41
lubotu3python-sexy (source: sexy-python): python language bindings for libsexy. In component main, is optional. Version 0.1.9-1ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 13 kB, installed size 132 kB22:41
AlanBellwhere did that go?22:41
hamitronubuntu gone unsexy22:41
hamitron;/22:41
HazRPGDo many of you here listen/download stuff from Jamendo?22:41
AlanBellor how else do I get links to turn up in a pango string22:41
dutchieHazRPG: if i hear good stuff on music podcasts from there i will download it22:46
HazRPGAlanBell: Hmm, I'm not sure... but if its python related, I'm sure the boys & girls at  #python might be able to help22:46
AlanBellmore of a gtk thing really22:46
ali12341i think i have a jamendo gift card somewhere22:46
dutchieAlanBell: did it turn into a gir type thing?22:46
AlanBelllibsexy2 is still there in the repos, but the python bindings are gone22:46
HazRPGali12341: Really? Is that to donate some £££ to the artists? Cos I'm pretty sure Jamendo is free otherwise22:47
HazRPGdutchie: cool, I'd recommend these guys: http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/2685322:49
HazRPGdutchie: Take One Down is my fav song from that album22:49
ali12341ska is one of the few kinds of music i cannot stand22:49
ali12341the others are ye olde folk music22:50
ali12341actually that's about it22:51
hamitronAlanBell: is sexy-python updated?22:51
HazRPGdutchie: or even "Helldorados", they're pretty good too22:54
hamitronAlanBell: in lucid22:54
ali12341ah the gift card was from magnatune not jamendo22:54
AlanBellwell no, the python package name would be swapped round so it is python-sexy not sexy-python22:55
AlanBellit used to be in by default as compiz needed it apparently22:55
AlanBellthere are amusing bugs about updates to it being blocked by filters22:55
hamitronhaha22:55
hamitronwhy oh why?!?!22:56
hamitrondamn filtering :/22:56
AlanBellalong with this one . . .22:56
AlanBell!info liboobs-1-522:56
lubotu3liboobs-1-5 (source: liboobs): GObject based interface to system-tools-backends - shared library. In component main, is optional. Version 2.31.91-0ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 63 kB, installed size 220 kB22:56
hamitroncould ban all sorts :/22:57
AlanBellyeah, it was great diagnosing someone who could not update because python-sexy.deb was a 404 error for them22:58
AlanBellright, well I can make a link in a gtklabel, but not in a gtkcellrenderertext22:59
ali12341please do the sane thing and use Qt23:00
hamitronwhat does unity use?23:00
ali12341it depends which version you use23:00
* hamitron headbutts his desk23:01
Azelphurali12341: isn't qt in a bit of murky waters atm?23:01
hamitronwhy?23:01
Azelphurbecause microsoft just embrace and destroyed nokia?23:01
brobostigongood night everyone, sleep well.23:02
hamitronreleased under lgpl init?23:02
Azelphurtrue, but without commercial backing it might go sideways23:02
Azelphurit's at it's sink or swim point XD23:02
AlanBelland it always has been23:02
ali12341Azelphur: yeah but Qt is relatively insulated from that, even though nokia own it23:03
* AlanBell pushes the bits that work to launchpad23:03
AzelphurI see23:03
AlanBellif anyone wants to get the links linkified, or rewrite the thing in Qt then it is at http://launchpad.net/circleoffriends23:04
ali12341what does it do?23:04
hamitronI guess Qt is not like something like an OS for devices.... the OS for devices needs the devices, where as Qt needs comps....23:04
ali12341ok you lost me at microblogging23:04
AlanBellsimple twitter client using the streaming api23:04
ali12341"do not want"23:04
ali12341is it python?23:04
AlanBellyes23:04
ali12341does it use all annoying stuff like indicators and dbus?23:05
AlanBellnot really unless quickly is doing some of that for me23:05
ali12341wait is this the thing you did a video of where it updates faster than it can redraw the screen?23:05
AlanBellit does store some preferences in desktop couch23:05
AlanBellyes23:05
ali12341eeeeewwwwwwwwwwww23:05
ali12341hmm well i guess i will look at it23:06
ali12341but i wouldn't go near desktop couch23:06
AlanBellbut now it tweets and follows your own user stream rather than the utterly insane sample stream23:06
AlanBellit only stores 4 strings in desktopcouch23:06
AlanBelland it probably shouldn't23:07
ali12341how do i check it out?23:07
AlanBellthey should go in the gnome keyring or something23:07
AlanBellbzr branch lp:circleoffriends23:07
ali12341# Do not touch unless you know what you're doing.23:13
AlanBellyeah, there is a lot of crufty jonocode in there23:14
AlanBellthat is part of quickly not me23:14
ali12341is that some quickly nonsense?23:14
ali12341i know what i'm doing and i still don't want to touch this23:14
AlanBellyeah23:14
ali12341i don't even understand what this code is supposed to be23:15
AlanBellthat is why I am not too horrified at the prospect of starting again in Qt23:15
* hamitron hates working on others code23:15
AlanBelltook me ages to work out how to store a preference the quickly way23:15
popeydid jono start quickly?23:15
AlanBellyes23:15
ali12341i mean it says it's a the configuration file, but it doesn't contain any configuration, it looks suspeciously like code to me...23:16
ali12341so KEY/SECRET is the stuff in desktop couch...23:17
AlanBellpopey: I might be wrong23:18
popeyI thought rick did23:18
dutchiebzr branch lp:quickly && bzr blame23:18
AlanBellrick/didrocks23:18
dutchieetc23:18
AlanBellali12341: yeah, key and secret bit of the oauth conversation end up in desktopcouch23:20
AlanBellthe preferences thing is either rubbish, or I didn't understand it properly23:20
AlanBellthe application key and secret are also a preference, so if Twitter feel like revoking them then users can just go register a new app and change the keys23:21
popeydisplay seems messed up23:22
popeyits showing the wrong tweets for the wrong person23:22
ali12341AlanBell: did you mean to leave in default values for consumer key/secret?23:22
AlanBellali12341: um, no23:22
AlanBellsorry, yes23:23
AlanBellsilly terminology23:23
AlanBellthe consumer key/secret belong to the app23:23
AlanBellthe access key/secret belong to the user23:23
ali12341wow i just got the past 10 minutes of messages in a huge burst :/23:23
AlanBellpopey: is that from a recent update or from having it running for ages?23:25
popeyonly just started running it23:26
popeybug 76503523:26
lubotu3Error: Launchpad bug 765035 could not be found23:26
popeybug  76403523:26
lubotu3Launchpad bug 764035 in Circle of Friends "Tweets attributed to wrong person" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/76403523:26
popeyahh, markup error23:26
AlanBellah ok, can I have the error message and tweet content that tripped it up23:27
popeydone23:27
ali12341who can;t spell initialization?23:27
popeyits in the bug report23:27
AlanBellgah, apostrophe23:27
ali12341# your inialization code in finish_intializing23:27
AlanBellali12341: someone who isn't me23:28
ali12341Put your initilization code in here23:28
AlanBellubuntu-bug quickly23:28
ali12341finish_initalizing should be called23:28
ali12341why does it have a file menu?23:32
AlanBelldunno, it is there by default23:32
ali12341hmm23:33
ali12341who can i follow on twitter who tweets a lot of urls?23:36
popey@boycottnovell23:36
popey:)23:36
ali12341no23:37
popey@PlanBstudio23:37
ali12341i need someone who tweets a url every minute23:37
popeyhe's tweeting a lot of instagrams at the moment23:37
popeyoh, a spammer23:37
ali12341yeah basically23:37
popeyhttp://twitter.com/#!/ubuntubugs23:38
ali12341perfect23:38
ali12341and completely useless.. who could possibly follow that?23:39
ali12341actually that's somewhat less than i expected23:39
popeyhttp://twitter.com/#!/scobleizer23:41
popeyhe tweets fast enough I suspect23:41
ali12341AlanBell: do you have a testing strategy?23:42
ali12341other than "wait for someone to tweet something"23:43
AlanBellpoint it at the sample stream23:43
ali12341what do i need to change?23:43
AlanBellor set up a testing user23:43
AlanBellhang on, I will see if I can do it on mine23:43
ali12341ok i think i got it23:45
popey@bbcnews is quite active23:46
ali12341is the user stream get or post?23:46
AlanBellget I think23:47
AlanBellok, to point it at the sample stream comment out the userstream bits around line 290 and put23:47
AlanBell        stream=UserStream(self.auth,listener,timeout=None, secure=True)23:47
AlanBellstream.sample()23:47
AlanBellsorry23:48
AlanBell        stream=Stream(self.auth,listener,timeout=None)23:48
ali12341yeah i got it... got connection refused though23:48
AlanBelldid you remove the secure=True bit?23:48
AlanBellbecause the sample stream isn't https23:48
ali12341ah no, that will be it23:48
ali12341there is goes23:49
ali12341does the list just keep growing forever?23:49
AlanBelluntil it crashes, yes23:49
ali12341natch23:50
ali12341fwiw i would have used a html area instead of a listview, and done it with the DOM23:50
AlanBellthat would work too23:50
AlanBellI thought it would be fun to get threaded stuff working with the treeview23:51
ali12341perhaps23:51
Pendulumhiya23:51
ali12341but then how would you find relies in the hueg list?23:51
AlanBellPendulum \o/23:51
AlanBellwell I was thinking threaded on the replies tab23:52
ali12341besides you can still insert anywhere you like in the DOM23:52
ali12341and it's probably easier than gtk wrangling23:52
ali12341oh it crashed23:52
ali12341GError: GIF image was truncated or incomplete.23:52
ali12341uncaught exception23:52
ali12341another benefit of using html is you don't have to deal with fetching all this stuff manually23:53
AlanBellyou might want to comment out the notification stuff around line 226 if following the sample stream23:54
ali12341i don't use notifications23:54
ali12341so i presume it's all going to /dev/null23:54
AlanBellyeah, I understand the benefits of using html, but gwibber does it so badly I wanted to try the clean gtk way23:54
ali12341either way i'm not seeing it23:55
ali12341heh, clean gtk...23:55
AlanBellshould be more accessible to orca as well as a gtk widget23:55
AlanBelland I managed to beat the treeview into shape with the scrolling23:58
ali12341yeah...23:59
AlanBellso if you are at the top you see a moving stream of stuff, if you scroll down it stays where you are23:59
ali12341i was just reading that bit23:59
ali12341why does twitter scroll backwards btw?23:59

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