[00:01] heh, i still have two gamecubes [00:02] if there were wii games worth buying, eprhaps people wouldn't resort to gamecube games [00:02] one UK and one switchable US/JAP [00:02] popey: i gave one to my sister [00:02] (wife and i both had one when we were undergrads) [00:02] http://www.ibood.com/uk/en/ looks like an interesting deal for a reasonable gaming laptop o.O [00:03] Azelphur: well nvidia so it'll render more than a dozen polygoons. crap-end nvidia, so not render then WELL... but it'll run anything on low detail, which an intel won't [00:03] :) [01:44] Bought my first ever song on Ubuntu One! Woo [01:46] was it a good one? [01:50] well I like it lol [01:52] dutchie: apparently ubuntu one classes it as "Alternative" but I'd say it was more pop really :/ [01:53] I don't think I can post the title here, for the family-orientatedness ... but its basically the single from Cee Lo Green [01:54] the one tastefully renamed/redubbed "forget you" for radio play [01:54] i would not class that as a good one [01:55] like I said... I like it, but its not for everyone [01:56] dutchie: what would you class as a good one? [01:56] Any ADSL smart people got thoughts on that? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Static/April%202011/Screenshot.png [01:57] besides "it's broke" lol [02:02] what's up exactly? [02:02] HazRPG: "It's broke" [02:02] amber light on the modem, no connection [02:02] also, that looks similar to mine you using a netgear? [02:03] HazRPG: it's a sky router, I believe it's a netgear at the core xD [02:04] Azelphur: indeed! [02:05] also... according to that screenshot, it should technically be fine based on your noise margins and line attenuation [02:05] the top half basically just there to outline what's been sent back n forth [02:05] I see :) [02:06] HazRPG: did you hear my story when I phoned sky tech support? XD [02:06] obviously that's where the problem appears apparently because apparently your WAN hasn't sent anything [02:06] fun [02:06] s/appears apparently/appears apparent/* [02:07] Azelphur: no don't think I did [02:07] if you've got a button on your router btw, I would try click "Connection Status" [02:07] HazRPG: the guy asked me what OS I run, I said "Linux" he said "Woaaaa" [02:08] HazRPG: my first u1ms album was rammstein :) [02:08] HazRPG: we spent like 30 minutes talking about Linux, virtualization, wine and hardware while he ran line tests haha [02:10] dutchie: cool, didn't realise it was on there! [02:13] Azelphur: awesome :D [02:13] Azelphur: wish my experiences with them were that awesome too :P [02:14] HazRPG: was funny, he was only somewhat familiar with virtualization :D [02:14] he asked me how it works and does it use a lot of resources [02:14] and I said yea, obviously it uses more or less double because it has to run 2 operating systems at the same time [02:14] "How much ram do you have like 4GB?" "haha 4GB, I have 12" "OMG 12!?! How can your motherboard take that?" "My motherboard supports 24" [02:15] "OMG THATS INSANE" [02:19] HazRPG: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/April%202011/Screenshot-1.png being lazy and not bothering to crop ftw [02:24] \o/ [02:29] Azelphur: hmm interesting [02:30] Azelphur: can't say i've ever seen "MER/PPPoA" [02:30] xD [02:37] Hello [02:37] Azelphur: here's a thought, does your landline sound funny when you pick it up? [02:37] nope [02:37] Azelphur: what is the problem? [02:37] http://www.skyuser.co.uk/forum/technical-discussion/42671-new-sagemcom-router-seems-hijack-web-browsing.html#post318010 [02:38] have a thread :P [02:38] Excuse me, do you guys know how I can do general IRC chat? [02:38] hamitron: ninjas stealing my internets :( [02:38] Azelphur: as in, does it sound crackly, or have weird noises on it (other than the obvious dial tone) [02:38] Tav_: your doing it right now? [02:38] HazRPG: not that I could hear [02:38] Azelphur: guessing he's on a website :P [02:38] Tav_: you mean a program for your computer for IRC? [02:38] Tav_: you need an IRC client such as Xchat [02:38] yea, qwebirc [02:39] and +1 for xchat :p [02:39] I use pidgin [02:39] ;) [02:39] Az and Haz I mean say I want to chat about astronomy [02:39] hamitron: me too [02:39] Is there a room for that? [02:39] Azelphur: worth a test, but try dialing say the first two digits of your house and see if you can hear some background noise [02:39] Tav_: highly likely, IRC tends to have something for everything. [02:39] don't stay on the line too long though, your only wanting to know if there's noise or not :P [02:39] Az how do I get a room list? [02:40] HazRPG: I did 17070 zoe test :D [02:40] ah :P [02:40] Tav_: I never bother with lists, I just join #subjectname and it usually exists [02:40] Can I use Empathy for general chat? [02:40] Tav_: I just joined #astronomy, it has 90 people [02:40] Tav_: yes. [02:40] Az is that the command? [02:40] Tav_: erm, /list (as a command by itself) will give you a list of all channels [02:41] Tav_: no it's the name of the channel to join, go set up empathy [02:41] or pidgin, or xchat, :P [02:41] HazRPG: you do know /list on this network will take a LONG time [02:41] the channel list isn't small [02:41] Tav_: also, you could msg the alis bot and it'll let you do searches for channels, e.g. "/msg alis LIST *astronomy* [02:42] Azelphur: he yeah, i know... i've downloaded it and stored it away for reference - but when lazy i ask alis :P [02:42] HazRPG: that's fancy [02:42] Thanks, but where do you type "join #subject" or "\list"? [02:42] Tav_: in the IRC client you have yet to get [02:42] Tav_: what program are you using to connect to IRC? [02:43] HazRPG: he's using qwebirc, a web applet [02:43] I version'd him :P [02:43] I am using Empathy which comes with Ubuntu [02:43] Where do you type it? [02:43] also you need to type: /join #channel [02:43] (02:43:13) Tav_: (notice) Received CTCP 'VERSION qwebirc v0.90, copyright (C) 2008-2010 Chris Porter and the qwebirc project -- Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.16) Gecko/20110323 Ubuntu/10.10 (maverick) Firefox/3.6.16' (to Azelphur) from Tav_ [02:43] LIES :o [02:43] where #channel is where you want to go [02:43] Tav_: you can type that command in here if you like :PP [02:43] Azelphur: he is maybe just getting instruction through that client ;) [02:43] hamitron: maybe :p [02:43] Tav_: empathy will let you type it anywhere [02:44] Tav_: best thing to do is ask the alis bot :) [02:44] Tav_: type: /msg alis LIST *subject* [02:44] adding the * means it will look for variations of whatever you type in subject [02:44] I can't see where to type it though [02:44] Empathy has a GUI with menus [02:44] I can't see any command-line like interface [02:45] Tav_: yeah don't worry... type while in a channel :) [02:45] Tav_: the commands are global, so you can use them everywhere :) [02:45] How do I go "in" a channel? [02:45] the command is /join #channel [02:45] HazRPG: he can't, empathy has no space to type in lol [02:45] In the Ubuntu terminal?? [02:45] and you can type while your here now, try it :) [02:45] that's not the way empathy works [02:46] So should I get another client? [02:46] Tav_: no no... do it in this channel, while your in here, where your currently typing to chat to use [02:46] What's a good one? [02:46] us* [02:46] HazRPG: lol your crazy overcomplicating this XD [02:46] you don't wanna teach him how to use a web client [02:46] join #astronomy [02:46] and he doesn't need to know about alis xD [02:46] doesn't work :( [02:46] Tav_: you MUST have the / in the front dude [02:47] Tav_: did you add the freenode network to empathy? [02:48] lets just hope his web client is not restricted ;/ [02:49] Azelphur: i was just about to ask that :P [02:50] No [02:50] How do I add the freenode network to empathy? [02:51] Tav_: ok, in the empathy buddies list, edit, add account [02:51] Tav_: or rather, edit accounts :P [02:51] account type IRC, select freenode from the network list [02:53] I think I am on freenode [02:53] Tav_: cool [02:53] time for some sleep for me, nn you lot [02:53] hamitron \o/ [02:54] hamitron: nite dude :) [02:54] and good luck Tav_ [02:54] Thanks [02:54] night [02:55] Tav_: now go to room > Join [02:55] Tav_: so your using empathy right now to chat to us? Just to confirm... since CTCP has me to believe otherwise :P [02:55] Tav_: in the account box, select "# on freenode" [02:55] Tav_: in the room box, put #astronomy, leave the server box blank, your set :) [02:55] Haz no I am using the browser version cus Empathy doesn't work :s [02:56] Yes, I went to Room --> Join [02:56] HazRPG: I told you he's using qwebirc, how can he be using empathy I havn't finished instructing him on how to set it up yet >.> [02:56] but when I go to room, there's nothing! [02:56] I mean "Room list" [02:56] Azelphur: lol fair play, i'll leave ya to it :) [02:56] There is nothing under "Room list" [02:56] Tav_: no need for room list, in the room box just type #astronomy [02:56] and then click join [02:59] it seems to have worked but there is no one in astronomy [02:59] did you put "astronomy" or "#astronomy" [03:00] the # is important [03:00] So I tried "ubuntu-uk" and it did the same: the room appears but there is no one. [03:00] Yeah I put the # [03:00] Tav_: hang on, i'll see if i can make you a video to show you :) [03:01] that works xD [03:01] Haz no worries dude - you're already really nice to help me so much [03:01] I will try and figure it out [03:01] What client do you use? [03:01] Tav_: its cool, won't take me long :) [03:02] Tav_: I use pidgin and irssi - but thats because i use a complex setup [03:02] But how will you send me the vid? [03:02] pidgin is awesome though for general irc + other stuff like msn, etc [03:02] Seriously it's ok [03:02] Tav_: oh, via youtube link :) [03:02] its fine, seriously, i can show the video to some of my friends that i want to get them into irc too :P [03:03] Are you sure? [03:03] lol yeah [03:03] Ok in that case ok] [03:03] yea will be handy, this question comes up a lot actually [03:03] so it'll be useful to have a video [03:03] Azelphur: indeed! [03:04] I am indebted to you for your resourcefullness. Thank you [03:05] right ok, going to start recording now :) [03:08] ah i can see why you had issues now [03:08] interesting [03:08] ah no wait, i was just being daft... right lets start that again :P [03:08] (HazRPG here btw!) [03:10] Hey [03:11] I downloaded Pigon and it seems to work better [03:11] I can access yahoo chat rooms apparently [03:11] Interesting.. [03:18] Tav_: xchat works the best imo :D [03:18] xchat is best for IRC [03:19] hi [03:19] hi [03:19] testing empathy on irc :) [03:19] nice [03:19] irc_test_user: what ISP are you with? you have working ipv6 :o [03:22] Azelphur: its me dude! :P [03:22] Azelphur: just finished the video :) [03:22] oh right :D [03:22] currently doing encoding, won't take long :) [03:22] I think I f-ed up a bit... but oh well :P [03:23] do want working ipv6 though [03:23] or are you tunneling? [03:23] not really much of a public speaker lol [03:23] Ok [03:23] What is the YouTube video ID? [03:23] Azelphur: ah, yeah its IPv6 tunneling :) [03:23] Azelphur: using HE [03:23] cheater :P [03:24] got a tutorial on it on my blog :) [03:24] http://www.hazsoft.co.uk/ [03:24] fun [03:24] Tav_: its still encoding the video, so i'll upload to YouTube once its done and i'll give you the link :) [03:24] currently 38% done [03:25] Cheers [03:25] Azelphur: wish more ISP's in the UK supported IPv6 native [03:25] Azelphur: how are you online if your having net issues? [03:25] same [03:25] mobile :D [03:25] Thanks guys much appreciated [03:25] Azelphur: ah :P [03:25] Azelphur: cheap :P [03:25] cheat* [03:26] :D [03:26] right, going to log out of empathy now :P [03:27] \o [03:27] 70% encoded [03:27] hopefully the video should come out right :) [03:37] right, just uploading to youtube now :) [03:39] empathy developers finally cracked and added support for /join in irc windows [03:42] ali12341: did they? I couldn't get it to work [03:43] urgh... I have a feeling this video upload isn't going well [03:43] i used MP4mux tho :/ [03:45] ah no wait... looks fine now :) [03:47] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_yvPl152L0 [03:47] ta da [03:48] does that seem ok to everyone? [03:48] it is done in one take [03:48] and no script to read from lol [03:48] he left xD [03:48] * Azelphur watches anyway [03:48] Azelphur: yeah i noitced :/ [03:48] tried to ta him lol [03:49] looks like a good guide though :D [03:51] Azelphur: woot! [04:02] ta da... quick blog post with video embedded: http://www.hazsoft.co.uk/2011/04/17/video-how-to-loginuse-irc-with-empathy/ === System is now known as Guest22284 === Guest22284 is now known as |System| [04:04] <|System|> hello ? [04:04] <|System|> Anyone alive? [04:10] just about [04:12] |System|: as alive as 4am will grant, yeah :P [04:13] <|System|> haha [04:13] real men...no sleep... [04:13] xD [04:13] Azelphur: man, I just noticed your always online just as late as I am! [04:13] <|System|> Im kinda drunk and playing with ubuntu [04:13] good combination [04:13] <|System|> tis a carm evening [04:13] |System|: great combination, hurray \o/ :P [04:13] Azelphur: ha, same though I had :P [04:13] <|System|> lol. I do my best [04:14] xD [04:14] |System|: hmm, your not a guy I know are ya... sounds like something he'd do... [04:14] you doing a networking course in preston? [04:14] <|System|> Nope [04:14] <|System|> I am a different System [04:15] ah no, he doesn't generally call himself system... its just the whole "cram/drunk" combo... sounds like something a guy I know would do :P [04:16] <|System|> :P [04:16] <|System|> Ah, I see [04:23] holy cow, if you google "ipv6 ubuntu 10.10" I'm on the first page! [04:23] 8th to be exact! [04:29] <|System|> Welldone [04:33] HazRPG: nice, get adsense on your site xD [04:33] Azelphur: tempted xD [04:39] <|System|> I think i ordered the last shipit cd :P [04:39] HazRPG: hehe, I've got the same rating for my blog but with "ipv6 ubuntu natty" :) [04:39] stgraber: nice :) [04:41] <|System|> Who else ordered a free Ubuntu CD before they ran out ? [04:42] <|System|> No one ? [04:44] nope [04:45] I've ordered free ubuntu CDs since 6.06 or so though, but I've got a faster internet connection now - so I don't need to :) [04:57] right I'm off for a bit to do a few tasks [04:57] speak soon :) [05:29] [Hassan Williamson] Video: How to login/use IRC with empathy. - http://www.hazsoft.co.uk/2011/04/17/video-how-to-loginuse-irc-with-empathy/ [06:11] <|System|> 6:12am .. . Time to sleep [06:11] <|System|> Night people who are going to see this in the future [08:34] morning all [08:43] \o popey [08:56] a hoy hoy! [08:58] where's the sunshine the weatherman promised? [09:03] chillicam will be going active this week. It'll be right up there for excitement with 'paintdryingcam' [09:05] I had a guinea pig cam when I was at lrl 2008 [09:07] cool [09:08] was it strapped to the guinea pig? ;) [09:09] no, it was on a window ledge pointing towards where they were on my balcony [09:23] Morning all - quick question - Anyone use the get_iplayer script? [09:29] xircon: yup [09:32] Lots of sunshine on this end of the pond [09:39] F1 is exciting today [09:39] [09:41] hi popey [09:42] @danfish Trying to download Just a Minute, but it does not show in the radio listings! Going to try the direct URL back in a tick. [09:42] Any good terminal application apart from gnome-terminal ? [09:43] kaushal: terminator [09:43] Gnome based or KDE [09:43] gnome based [09:43] Guake [09:44] It is a Quake style drop down terminal [09:45] MOAR TEA [09:45] Hmmmm - get_iplayer --type=radio --get http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01093pn/Just_a_Minute_14_04_2011/ [09:45] Works and is downloading as I type [10:19] popey: i saw your reply [10:20] so unity is a desktop ? [10:20] its confusing [10:20] its not [10:20] or is it a gnome shell [10:20] !unity [10:20] Unity is a shell for GNOME, but it is not GNOME-shell. See http://unity.ubuntu.com and http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/10/31/unity-some-further-clarification-points/ for more information. Have a question, check http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/unity [10:20] Unity is a shell for GNOME, but it is not GNOME-shell ? [10:20] contradicting ? [10:20] no [10:21] GNOME Shell is a product of the GNOME project [10:21] Unity is a product of Canonical / the Ubuntu project [10:21] two products by two organisations [10:22] so what does shell mean in Unity is a shell for GNOME ? [10:22] please help me understand [10:22] the main UI you see [10:22] ah ok [10:23] so is there a pre requisite to have 3D support Video Card to enable Unity UI ? [10:23] for Unity 3D, yes [10:23] for Unity 2D, no [10:24] so if i install 11.04 it will default to Unity 2D ? [10:24] But unity 2D does not exist yet [10:24] no kaushal [10:24] the default in 11.04 is Unity 3d [10:24] if your desktop cannot do 3d, the fallback is standard classic GNOME with two panels [10:24] (same as you get in 10.10 [10:24] MartijnVdS: it exists, but its not finished [10:24] (like unity 3d) :D [10:24] popey: ok [10:25] so it depends entirely on Hardware ? [10:25] I mean the Video Card [10:25] the 3d capability does, yes [10:25] ok [10:25] popey: thanks [10:26] np [10:26] Also I am planning to procure Dell Vostro 3500 [10:26] http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201004-5574 [10:26] so which laptop do you recommend to enable Unity 3D ? [10:27] no idea [10:27] so http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201004-5574 support Unity 3D ? [10:27] dunno [10:28] Recent (i3/i5) intel graphics should be fine [10:28] is there a way to pre check ? [10:28] 11.04 isnt out yet. [10:28] MartijnVdS: ok [10:29] I need to wait until Apr 28 2011 [10:29] Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [10:29] MartijnVdS: so this should support Unity 3D ? [10:29] as per http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201004-5574 [10:30] kaushal: I don't know about the certification page [10:30] Its one of the ideal laptop [10:30] If you have access to one in a shop, you could always take a live USB stick and test it [10:31] THey'll do anything if they think there's a sale in it [10:31] But is there a recommended page about Unity 3D which Video Card supports [10:31] Should it just be anything that supports Compiz / OpenGL ? [10:31] kaushal: If it supports OpenGL 1.4 or better, it should work. [10:31] awilkins: yes [10:32] * MartijnVdS has a machine with an old (stone-age) intel graphics chip.. it's so bad it's _blacklisted_ (not just "not supported") [10:32] but that's an i830 (long before the current generation) [10:33] MartijnVdS: great [10:33] Thanks [10:39] MartijnVdS: which chip is that/ [10:39] gordonjcp: what? the i830? [10:40] MartijnVdS: is that actually blacklisted as not supported? [10:40] greetings [10:40] gordonjcp: I think there is a hardware bug of some kind that's tickled by it [10:40] weird [10:40] gordonjcp: also, OpenGL 1.2 :( [10:41] MartijnVdS: I don't know why we these days we can't just stick a RAMDAC and a horking great FPGA on a card [10:41] gordonjcp: isn't that basically what a graphics card is? :) [10:41] (this is an on-board thing from 2002, remember) [10:42] well yes [10:42] http://www.wimp.com/tickledpenguin/ [10:43] gordonjcp: I love how the new integrated graphics (sandy bridge) is almost as fast as mid-end (is that a word?) ATI/Nvidia [10:44] MartijnVdS: OpenGL 1.4 ? [10:45] does that mean its available in 11.04 ? [10:45] kaushal: no, it means version 1.4 of OpenGL [10:45] yes [10:46] so its Video Card specific ? [10:46] Explain me the significance [10:46] kaushal: Every new version of OpenGL requires new things of a graphics chip [10:47] kaushal: so if a graphics chip has enough features to support OpenGL 1.2 but not 1.4, we say it's an OpenGL 1.2 card [10:47] if it support enough for 1.4, it's an OpenGL 1.4 compatible card [10:47] 11.04 release date coinciding with wedding? [10:47] livingdaylight: yeah [10:48] good morning everyone. [10:49] HazRPG: hi, i think you made a spelling mistake in the first word, of the 4th paragraph of your last blog post. [10:49] kaushal: most GPUs from the last few years support 1.4 easily (but back in '02 the version 1.4 of OpenGL didn't exist yet, so no chips from that time support it) [10:50] ok [10:51] gnome3 isn't so well received it seems [10:54] I haven't heard anything really negative about either of them. concerns, but heading in the right direction [11:03] MartijnVdS: if nothing else, sticking an FPGA on a card with some supporting hardware will be good for teaching people about video drivers [11:03] MartijnVdS: more specificallly, it'll teach the "ZOMG NVidia are teh evils because their drivers are closed-source" crowd that graphic card firmware is Really Really Hard [11:05] gordonjcp: hard firmware doesn't stop intel and ati from releasing specs ;) [11:06] MartijnVdS: yeah [11:06] MartijnVdS: otoh Intel and ATI cards don't really work very well [11:06] gordonjcp: except they do [11:06] ATI doesn't [11:06] you get to choose between accelerated video and TV out [11:10] TV out is becoming obsolete though, with HDMI and all [11:10] you can't feed HDMI into a modulator [11:10] proof that if you ignore things for long enough, they *will* go away [11:11] MartijnVdS: I won't use or recommend *any* ATI product, now or at any time in the future, because of this [11:13] I bought 20 ATI cards that were oldish but still current, about halfway up the technology curve, to use in a video display system [11:13]