[00:01] <popey> heh, i still have two gamecubes
[00:02] <directhex> if there were wii games worth buying, eprhaps people wouldn't resort to gamecube games
[00:02] <popey> one UK and one switchable US/JAP
[00:02] <directhex> popey: i gave one to my sister
[00:02] <directhex> (wife and i both had one when we were undergrads)
[00:02] <Azelphur> http://www.ibood.com/uk/en/ looks like an interesting deal for a reasonable gaming laptop o.O
[00:03] <directhex> Azelphur: well nvidia so it'll render more than a dozen polygoons. crap-end nvidia, so not render then WELL... but it'll run anything on low detail, which an intel won't
[00:03] <Azelphur> :)
[01:44] <HazRPG> Bought my first ever song on Ubuntu One! Woo
[01:46] <dutchie> was it a good one?
[01:50] <HazRPG> well I like it lol
[01:52] <HazRPG> dutchie: apparently ubuntu one classes it as "Alternative" but I'd say it was more pop really :/
[01:53] <HazRPG> I don't think I can post the title here, for the family-orientatedness ... but its basically the single from Cee Lo Green
[01:54] <dutchie> the one tastefully renamed/redubbed "forget you" for radio play
[01:54] <dutchie> i would not class that as a good one
[01:55] <HazRPG> like I said... I like it, but its not for everyone
[01:56] <HazRPG> dutchie: what would you class as a good one?
[01:56] <Azelphur> Any ADSL smart people got thoughts on that? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Static/April%202011/Screenshot.png
[01:57] <Azelphur> besides "it's broke" lol
[02:02] <HazRPG> what's up exactly?
[02:02] <Azelphur> HazRPG: "It's broke"
[02:02] <Azelphur> amber light on the modem, no connection
[02:02] <HazRPG> also, that looks similar to mine you using a netgear?
[02:03] <Azelphur> HazRPG: it's a sky router, I believe it's a netgear at the core xD
[02:04] <HazRPG> Azelphur: indeed!
[02:05] <HazRPG> also... according to that screenshot, it should technically be fine based on your noise margins and line attenuation
[02:05] <HazRPG> the top half basically just there to outline what's been sent back n forth
[02:05] <Azelphur> I see :)
[02:06] <Azelphur> HazRPG: did you hear my story when I phoned sky tech support? XD
[02:06] <HazRPG> obviously that's where the problem appears apparently because apparently your WAN hasn't sent anything
[02:06] <Azelphur> fun
[02:06] <HazRPG> s/appears apparently/appears apparent/*
[02:07] <HazRPG> Azelphur: no don't think I did
[02:07] <HazRPG> if you've got a button on your router btw, I would try click "Connection Status"
[02:07] <Azelphur> HazRPG: the guy asked me what OS I run, I said "Linux" he said "Woaaaa"
[02:08] <dutchie> HazRPG: my first u1ms album was rammstein :)
[02:08] <Azelphur> HazRPG: we spent like 30 minutes talking about Linux, virtualization, wine and hardware while he ran line tests haha
[02:10] <HazRPG> dutchie: cool, didn't realise it was on there!
[02:13] <HazRPG> Azelphur: awesome :D
[02:13] <HazRPG> Azelphur: wish my experiences with them were that awesome too :P
[02:14] <Azelphur> HazRPG: was funny, he was only somewhat familiar with virtualization :D
[02:14] <Azelphur> he asked me how it works and does it use a lot of resources
[02:14] <Azelphur> and I said yea, obviously it uses more or less double because it has to run 2 operating systems at the same time
[02:14] <Azelphur> "How much ram do you have like 4GB?" "haha 4GB, I have 12" "OMG 12!?! How can your motherboard take that?" "My motherboard supports 24"
[02:15] <Azelphur> "OMG THATS INSANE"
[02:19] <Azelphur> HazRPG: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/April%202011/Screenshot-1.png being lazy and not bothering to crop ftw
[02:24] <hamitron> \o/
[02:29] <HazRPG> Azelphur: hmm interesting
[02:30] <HazRPG> Azelphur: can't say i've ever seen "MER/PPPoA"
[02:30] <Azelphur> xD
[02:37] <Tav_> Hello
[02:37] <HazRPG> Azelphur: here's a thought, does your landline sound funny when you pick it up?
[02:37] <Azelphur> nope
[02:37] <hamitron> Azelphur: what is the problem?
[02:37] <Azelphur> http://www.skyuser.co.uk/forum/technical-discussion/42671-new-sagemcom-router-seems-hijack-web-browsing.html#post318010
[02:38] <Azelphur> have a thread :P
[02:38] <Tav_> Excuse me, do you guys know how I can do general IRC chat?
[02:38] <Azelphur> hamitron: ninjas stealing my internets :(
[02:38] <HazRPG> Azelphur: as in, does it sound crackly, or have weird noises on it (other than the obvious dial tone)
[02:38] <Azelphur> Tav_: your doing it right now?
[02:38] <Azelphur> HazRPG: not that I could hear
[02:38] <HazRPG> Azelphur: guessing he's on a website :P
[02:38] <HazRPG> Tav_: you mean a program for your computer for IRC?
[02:38] <hamitron> Tav_: you need an IRC client such as Xchat
[02:38] <Azelphur> yea, qwebirc
[02:39] <Azelphur> and +1 for xchat :p
[02:39] <hamitron> I use pidgin
[02:39] <hamitron> ;)
[02:39] <Tav_> Az and Haz I mean say I want to chat about astronomy
[02:39] <Azelphur> hamitron: me too
[02:39] <Tav_> Is there a room for that?
[02:39] <HazRPG> Azelphur: worth a test, but try dialing say the first two digits of your house and see if you can hear some background noise
[02:39] <Azelphur> Tav_: highly likely, IRC tends to have something for everything.
[02:39] <HazRPG> don't stay on the line too long though, your only wanting to know if there's noise or not :P
[02:39] <Tav_> Az how do I get a room list?
[02:40] <Azelphur> HazRPG: I did 17070 zoe test :D
[02:40] <HazRPG> ah :P
[02:40] <Azelphur> Tav_: I never bother with lists, I just join #subjectname and it usually exists
[02:40] <Tav_> Can I use Empathy for general chat?
[02:40] <Azelphur> Tav_: I just joined #astronomy, it has 90 people
[02:40] <Azelphur> Tav_: yes.
[02:40] <Tav_> Az is that the command?
[02:40] <HazRPG> Tav_: erm, /list (as a command by itself) will give you a list of all channels
[02:41] <Azelphur> Tav_: no it's the name of the channel to join, go set up empathy
[02:41] <Azelphur> or pidgin, or xchat, :P
[02:41] <Azelphur> HazRPG: you do know /list on this network will take a LONG time
[02:41] <Azelphur> the channel list isn't small
[02:41] <HazRPG> Tav_: also, you could msg the alis bot and it'll let you do searches for channels, e.g. "/msg alis LIST *astronomy*
[02:42] <HazRPG> Azelphur: he yeah, i know... i've downloaded it and stored it away for reference - but when lazy i ask alis :P
[02:42] <Azelphur> HazRPG: that's fancy
[02:42] <Tav_> Thanks, but where do you type "join #subject" or "\list"?
[02:42] <Azelphur> Tav_: in the IRC client you have yet to get
[02:42] <HazRPG> Tav_: what program are you using to connect to IRC?
[02:43] <Azelphur> HazRPG: he's using qwebirc, a web applet
[02:43] <Azelphur> I version'd him :P
[02:43] <Tav_> I am using Empathy which comes with Ubuntu
[02:43] <Tav_> Where do you type it?
[02:43] <HazRPG> also you need to type: /join #channel
[02:43] <Azelphur> (02:43:13) Tav_: (notice) Received CTCP 'VERSION qwebirc v0.90, copyright (C) 2008-2010 Chris Porter and the qwebirc project -- Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.16) Gecko/20110323 Ubuntu/10.10 (maverick) Firefox/3.6.16' (to Azelphur) from Tav_
[02:43] <Azelphur> LIES :o
[02:43] <HazRPG> where #channel is where you want to go
[02:43] <HazRPG> Tav_: you can type that command in here if you like :PP
[02:43] <hamitron> Azelphur: he is maybe just getting instruction through that client ;)
[02:43] <Azelphur> hamitron: maybe :p
[02:43] <HazRPG> Tav_: empathy will let you type it anywhere
[02:44] <HazRPG> Tav_: best thing to do is ask the alis bot :)
[02:44] <HazRPG> Tav_: type: /msg alis LIST *subject*
[02:44] <HazRPG> adding the * means it will look for variations of whatever you type in subject
[02:44] <Tav_> I can't see where to type it though
[02:44] <Tav_> Empathy has a GUI with menus
[02:44] <Tav_> I can't see any command-line like interface
[02:45] <HazRPG> Tav_: yeah don't worry... type while in a channel :)
[02:45] <HazRPG> Tav_: the commands are global, so you can use them everywhere :)
[02:45] <Tav_> How do I go "in" a channel?
[02:45] <HazRPG> the command is /join #channel
[02:45] <Azelphur> HazRPG: he can't, empathy has no space to type in lol
[02:45] <Tav_> In the Ubuntu terminal??
[02:45] <HazRPG> and you can type while your here now, try it :)
[02:45] <Azelphur> that's not the way empathy works
[02:46] <Tav_> So should I get another client?
[02:46] <HazRPG> Tav_: no no... do it in this channel, while your in here, where your currently typing to chat to use
[02:46] <Tav_> What's a good one?
[02:46] <HazRPG> us*
[02:46] <Azelphur> HazRPG: lol your crazy overcomplicating this XD
[02:46] <Azelphur> you don't wanna teach him how to use a web client
[02:46] <Tav_> join #astronomy
[02:46] <Azelphur> and he doesn't need to know about alis xD
[02:46] <Tav_> doesn't work :(
[02:46] <HazRPG> Tav_: you MUST have the / in the front dude
[02:47] <Azelphur> Tav_: did you add the freenode network to empathy?
[02:48] <hamitron> lets just hope his web client is not restricted ;/
[02:49] <HazRPG> Azelphur: i was just about to ask that :P
[02:50] <Tav_> No
[02:50] <Tav_> How do I add the freenode network to empathy?
[02:51] <Azelphur> Tav_: ok, in the empathy buddies list, edit, add account
[02:51] <Azelphur> Tav_: or rather, edit accounts :P
[02:51] <Azelphur> account type IRC, select freenode from the network list
[02:53] <Tav_> I think I am on freenode
[02:53] <Azelphur> Tav_: cool
[02:53] <hamitron> time for some sleep for me, nn you lot
[02:53] <HazRPG> hamitron \o/
[02:54] <HazRPG> hamitron: nite dude :)
[02:54] <hamitron> and good luck Tav_
[02:54] <Tav_> Thanks
[02:54] <Tav_> night
[02:55] <Azelphur> Tav_: now go to room > Join
[02:55] <HazRPG> Tav_: so your using empathy right now to chat to us? Just to confirm... since CTCP has me to believe otherwise :P
[02:55] <Azelphur> Tav_: in the account box, select "# <yournick> on freenode"
[02:55] <Azelphur> Tav_: in the room box, put #astronomy, leave the server box blank, your set :)
[02:55] <Tav_> Haz no I am using the browser version cus Empathy doesn't work :s
[02:56] <Tav_> Yes, I went to Room --> Join
[02:56] <Azelphur> HazRPG: I told you he's using qwebirc, how can he be using empathy I havn't finished instructing him on how to set it up yet >.>
[02:56] <Tav_> but when I go to room, there's nothing!
[02:56] <Tav_> I mean "Room list"
[02:56] <HazRPG> Azelphur: lol fair play, i'll leave ya to it :)
[02:56] <Tav_> There is nothing under "Room list"
[02:56] <Azelphur> Tav_: no need for room list, in the room box just type #astronomy
[02:56] <Azelphur> and then click join
[02:59] <Tav_> it seems to have worked but there is no one in astronomy
[02:59] <Azelphur> did you put "astronomy" or "#astronomy"
[03:00] <Azelphur> the # is important
[03:00] <Tav_> So I tried "ubuntu-uk" and it did the same: the room appears but there is no one.
[03:00] <Tav_> Yeah I put the #
[03:00] <HazRPG> Tav_: hang on, i'll see if i can make you a video to show you :)
[03:01] <Azelphur> that works xD
[03:01] <Tav_> Haz no worries dude - you're already really nice to help me so much
[03:01] <Tav_> I will try and figure it out
[03:01] <Tav_> What client do you use?
[03:01] <HazRPG> Tav_: its cool, won't take me long :)
[03:02] <HazRPG> Tav_: I use pidgin and irssi - but thats because i use a complex setup
[03:02] <Tav_> But how will you send me the vid?
[03:02] <HazRPG> pidgin is awesome though for general irc + other stuff like msn, etc
[03:02] <Tav_> Seriously it's ok
[03:02] <HazRPG> Tav_: oh, via youtube link :)
[03:02] <HazRPG> its fine, seriously, i can show the video to some of my friends that i want to get them into irc too :P
[03:03] <Tav_> Are you sure?
[03:03] <HazRPG> lol yeah
[03:03] <Tav_> Ok in that case ok]
[03:03] <Azelphur> yea will be handy, this question comes up a lot actually
[03:03] <Azelphur> so it'll be useful to have a video
[03:03] <HazRPG> Azelphur: indeed!
[03:04] <Tav_> I am indebted to you for your resourcefullness. Thank you
[03:05] <HazRPG> right ok, going to start recording now :)
[03:08] <HazRPG> ah i can see why you had issues now
[03:08] <HazRPG> interesting
[03:08] <test_user_irc> ah no wait, i was just being daft... right lets start that again :P
[03:08] <test_user_irc> (HazRPG here btw!)
[03:10] <Tav_> Hey
[03:11] <Tav_> I downloaded Pigon and it seems to work better
[03:11] <Tav_> I can access yahoo chat rooms apparently
[03:11] <Tav_> Interesting..
[03:18] <Azelphur> Tav_: xchat works the best imo :D
[03:18] <Azelphur> xchat is best for IRC
[03:19] <irc_test_user> hi
[03:19] <Azelphur> hi
[03:19] <irc_test_user> testing empathy on irc :)
[03:19] <Azelphur> nice
[03:19] <Azelphur> irc_test_user: what ISP are you with? you have working ipv6 :o
[03:22] <irc_test_user> Azelphur: its me dude! :P
[03:22] <irc_test_user> Azelphur: just finished the video :)
[03:22] <Azelphur> oh right :D
[03:22] <irc_test_user> currently doing encoding, won't take long :)
[03:22] <irc_test_user> I think I f-ed up a bit... but oh well :P
[03:23] <Azelphur> do want working ipv6 though
[03:23] <Azelphur> or are you tunneling?
[03:23] <irc_test_user> not really much of a public speaker lol
[03:23] <Tav_> Ok
[03:23] <Tav_> What is the YouTube video ID?
[03:23] <irc_test_user> Azelphur: ah, yeah its IPv6 tunneling :)
[03:23] <irc_test_user> Azelphur: using HE
[03:23] <Azelphur> cheater :P
[03:24] <irc_test_user> got a tutorial on it on my  blog :)
[03:24] <irc_test_user> http://www.hazsoft.co.uk/
[03:24] <Azelphur> fun
[03:24] <irc_test_user> Tav_: its still encoding the video, so i'll upload to YouTube once its done and i'll give you the link :)
[03:24] <irc_test_user> currently 38% done
[03:25] <Tav_> Cheers
[03:25] <irc_test_user> Azelphur: wish more ISP's in the UK supported IPv6 native
[03:25] <irc_test_user> Azelphur: how are you online if your having net issues?
[03:25] <Azelphur> same
[03:25] <Azelphur> mobile :D
[03:25] <Tav_> Thanks guys much appreciated
[03:25] <irc_test_user> Azelphur: ah :P
[03:25] <irc_test_user> Azelphur: cheap :P
[03:25] <irc_test_user> cheat*
[03:26] <Azelphur> :D
[03:26] <irc_test_user> right, going to log out of empathy now :P
[03:27] <HazRPG> \o
[03:27] <HazRPG> 70% encoded
[03:27] <HazRPG> hopefully the video should come out right :)
[03:37] <HazRPG> right, just uploading to youtube now :)
[03:39] <ali12341> empathy developers finally cracked and added support for /join in irc windows
[03:42] <HazRPG> ali12341: did they? I couldn't get it to work
[03:43] <HazRPG> urgh... I have a feeling this video upload isn't going well
[03:43] <HazRPG> i used MP4mux tho :/
[03:45] <HazRPG> ah no wait... looks fine now :)
[03:47] <HazRPG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_yvPl152L0
[03:47] <HazRPG> ta da
[03:48] <HazRPG> does that seem ok to everyone?
[03:48] <HazRPG> it is done in one take
[03:48] <HazRPG> and no script to read from lol
[03:48] <Azelphur> he left xD
[03:48]  * Azelphur watches anyway
[03:48] <HazRPG> Azelphur: yeah i noitced :/
[03:48] <HazRPG> tried to ta<tab> him lol
[03:49] <Azelphur> looks like a good guide though :D
[03:51] <HazRPG> Azelphur: woot!
[04:02] <HazRPG> ta da... quick blog post with video embedded: http://www.hazsoft.co.uk/2011/04/17/video-how-to-loginuse-irc-with-empathy/
[04:04] <|System|> hello ?
[04:04] <|System|> Anyone alive?
[04:10] <Azelphur> just about
[04:12] <HazRPG> |System|: as alive as 4am will grant, yeah :P
[04:13] <|System|> haha
[04:13] <Azelphur> real men...no sleep...
[04:13] <Azelphur> xD
[04:13] <HazRPG> Azelphur: man, I just noticed your always online just as late as I am!
[04:13] <|System|> Im kinda drunk and playing with ubuntu
[04:13] <Azelphur> good combination
[04:13] <|System|> tis a carm evening
[04:13] <HazRPG> |System|: great combination, hurray \o/ :P
[04:13] <HazRPG> Azelphur: ha, same though I had :P
[04:13] <|System|> lol. I do my best
[04:14] <Azelphur> xD
[04:14] <HazRPG> |System|: hmm, your not a guy I know are ya... sounds like something he'd do...
[04:14] <HazRPG> you doing a networking course in preston?
[04:14] <|System|> Nope
[04:14] <|System|> I am a different System
[04:15] <HazRPG> ah no, he doesn't generally call himself system... its just the whole "cram/drunk" combo... sounds like something a guy I know would do :P
[04:16] <|System|> :P
[04:16] <|System|> Ah, I see
[04:23] <HazRPG> holy cow, if you google "ipv6 ubuntu 10.10" I'm on the first page!
[04:23] <HazRPG> 8th to be exact!
[04:29] <|System|> Welldone
[04:33] <Azelphur> HazRPG: nice, get adsense on your site xD
[04:33] <HazRPG> Azelphur: tempted xD
[04:39] <|System|> I think i ordered the last shipit cd  :P
[04:39] <stgraber> HazRPG: hehe, I've got the same rating for my blog but with "ipv6 ubuntu natty" :)
[04:39] <HazRPG> stgraber: nice :)
[04:41] <|System|> Who else ordered a free Ubuntu CD before they ran out ?
[04:42] <|System|> No one ?
[04:44] <HazRPG> nope
[04:45] <HazRPG> I've ordered free ubuntu CDs since 6.06 or so though, but I've got a faster internet connection now - so I don't need to :)
[04:57] <HazRPG> right I'm off for a bit to do a few tasks
[04:57] <HazRPG> speak soon :)
[05:29] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Hassan Williamson] Video: How to login/use IRC with empathy. - http://www.hazsoft.co.uk/2011/04/17/video-how-to-loginuse-irc-with-empathy/
[06:11] <|System|> 6:12am .. . Time to sleep
[06:11] <|System|> Night people who are going to see this in the future
[08:34] <popey> morning all
[08:43] <MartijnVdS> \o popey
[08:56] <danfish> a hoy hoy!
[08:58] <danfish> where's the sunshine the weatherman promised?
[09:03] <danfish> chillicam will be going active this week. It'll be right up there for excitement with 'paintdryingcam'
[09:05] <Myrtti> I had a guinea pig cam when I was at lrl 2008
[09:07] <danfish> cool
[09:08] <danfish> was it strapped to the guinea pig? ;)
[09:09] <Myrtti> no, it was on a window ledge pointing towards where they were on my balcony
[09:23] <xircon> Morning all - quick question - Anyone use the get_iplayer script?
[09:29] <danfish> xircon: yup
[09:32] <MartijnVdS> Lots of sunshine on this end of the pond
[09:39] <MartijnVdS> F1 is exciting today
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[09:41] <kaushal> hi popey
[09:42] <xircon> @danfish Trying to download Just a Minute, but it does not show in the radio listings!  Going to try the direct URL back in a tick.
[09:42] <kaushal> Any good terminal application apart from gnome-terminal ?
[09:43] <danfish> kaushal: terminator
[09:43] <xircon> Gnome based or KDE
[09:43] <kaushal> gnome based
[09:43] <xircon> Guake
[09:44] <xircon> It is a Quake style drop down terminal
[09:45] <Myrtti> MOAR TEA
[09:45] <xircon> Hmmmm - get_iplayer --type=radio --get http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01093pn/Just_a_Minute_14_04_2011/
[09:45] <xircon> Works and is downloading as I type
[10:19] <kaushal> popey: i saw your reply
[10:20] <kaushal> so unity is a desktop ?
[10:20] <kaushal> its confusing
[10:20] <popey> its not
[10:20] <kaushal> or is it a gnome shell
[10:20] <popey> !unity
[10:20] <kaushal> Unity is a shell for GNOME, but it is not GNOME-shell ?
[10:20] <kaushal> contradicting ?
[10:20] <popey> no
[10:21] <popey> GNOME Shell is a product of the GNOME project
[10:21] <popey> Unity is a product of Canonical / the Ubuntu project
[10:21] <popey> two products by two organisations
[10:22] <kaushal> so what does shell mean in Unity is a shell for GNOME ?
[10:22] <kaushal> please help me understand
[10:22] <popey> the main UI you see
[10:22] <kaushal> ah ok
[10:23] <kaushal> so is there a pre requisite to have 3D support Video Card to enable Unity UI ?
[10:23] <popey> for Unity 3D, yes
[10:23] <popey> for Unity 2D, no
[10:24] <kaushal> so if i install 11.04 it will default to Unity 2D ?
[10:24] <MartijnVdS> But unity 2D does not exist yet
[10:24] <popey> no kaushal
[10:24] <popey> the default in 11.04 is Unity 3d
[10:24] <popey> if your desktop cannot do 3d, the fallback is standard classic GNOME with two panels
[10:24] <popey> (same as you get in 10.10
[10:24] <popey> MartijnVdS: it exists, but its not finished
[10:24] <popey> (like unity 3d) :D
[10:24] <kaushal> popey: ok
[10:25] <kaushal> so it depends entirely on Hardware ?
[10:25] <kaushal> I mean the Video Card
[10:25] <popey> the 3d capability does, yes
[10:25] <kaushal> ok
[10:25] <kaushal> popey: thanks
[10:26] <popey> np
[10:26] <kaushal> Also I am planning to procure Dell Vostro 3500
[10:26] <popey> http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201004-5574
[10:26] <kaushal> so which laptop do you recommend to enable Unity 3D ?
[10:27] <popey> no idea
[10:27] <kaushal> so http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201004-5574 support Unity 3D ?
[10:27] <popey> dunno
[10:28] <MartijnVdS> Recent (i3/i5) intel graphics should be fine
[10:28] <kaushal> is there a way to pre check ?
[10:28] <popey> 11.04 isnt out yet.
[10:28] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: ok
[10:29] <kaushal> I need to wait until Apr 28 2011
[10:29] <kaushal> Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
[10:29] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: so this should support Unity 3D ?
[10:29] <kaushal> as per http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201004-5574
[10:30] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: I don't know about the certification page
[10:30] <kaushal> Its one of the ideal laptop
[10:30] <awilkins> If you have access to one in a shop, you could always take a live USB stick and test it
[10:31] <awilkins> THey'll do anything if they think there's a sale in it
[10:31] <kaushal> But is there a recommended page about Unity 3D which Video Card supports
[10:31] <awilkins> Should it just be anything that supports Compiz / OpenGL ?
[10:31] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: If it supports OpenGL 1.4 or better, it should work.
[10:31] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: yes
[10:32]  * MartijnVdS has a machine with an old (stone-age) intel graphics chip.. it's so bad it's _blacklisted_ (not just "not supported")
[10:32] <MartijnVdS> but that's an i830 (long before the current generation)
[10:33] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: great
[10:33] <kaushal> Thanks
[10:39] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: which chip is that/
[10:39] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: what? the i830?
[10:40] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: is that actually blacklisted as not supported?
[10:40] <livingdaylight> greetings
[10:40] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: I think there is a hardware bug of some kind that's tickled by it
[10:40] <gordonjcp> weird
[10:40] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: also, OpenGL 1.2 :(
[10:41] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: I don't know why we these days we can't just stick a RAMDAC and a horking great FPGA on a card
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: isn't that basically what a graphics card is? :)
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> (this is an on-board thing from 2002, remember)
[10:42] <gordonjcp> well yes
[10:42] <livingdaylight> http://www.wimp.com/tickledpenguin/
[10:43] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: I love how the new integrated graphics (sandy bridge) is almost as fast as mid-end (is that a word?) ATI/Nvidia
[10:44] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: OpenGL 1.4 ?
[10:45] <kaushal> does that mean its available in 11.04 ?
[10:45] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: no, it means version 1.4 of OpenGL
[10:45] <kaushal> yes
[10:46] <kaushal> so its Video Card specific ?
[10:46] <kaushal> Explain me the significance
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: Every new version of OpenGL requires new things of a graphics chip
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: so if a graphics chip has enough features to support OpenGL 1.2 but not 1.4, we say it's an OpenGL 1.2 card
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> if it support enough for 1.4, it's an OpenGL 1.4 compatible card
[10:47] <livingdaylight> 11.04 release date coinciding with wedding?
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> livingdaylight: yeah
[10:48] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:49] <brobostigon> HazRPG: hi, i think you made a spelling mistake in the first word, of the 4th paragraph of your last blog post.
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: most GPUs from the last few years support 1.4 easily (but back in '02 the version 1.4 of OpenGL didn't exist yet, so no chips from that time support it)
[10:50] <kaushal> ok
[10:51] <livingdaylight> gnome3 isn't so well received it seems
[10:54] <shauno> I haven't heard anything really negative about either of them.  concerns, but heading in the right direction
[11:03] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: if nothing else, sticking an FPGA on a card with some supporting hardware will be good for teaching people about video drivers
[11:03] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: more specificallly, it'll teach the "ZOMG NVidia are teh evils because their drivers are closed-source" crowd that graphic card firmware is Really Really Hard
[11:05] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: hard firmware doesn't stop intel and ati from releasing specs ;)
[11:06] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: yeah
[11:06] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: otoh Intel and ATI cards don't really work very well
[11:06] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: except they do
[11:06] <gordonjcp> ATI doesn't
[11:06] <gordonjcp> you get to choose between accelerated video and TV out
[11:10] <MartijnVdS> TV out is becoming obsolete though, with HDMI and all
[11:10] <gordonjcp> you can't feed HDMI into a modulator
[11:10] <shauno> proof that if you ignore things for long enough, they *will* go away
[11:11] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: I won't use or recommend *any* ATI product, now or at any time in the future, because of this
[11:13] <gordonjcp> I bought 20 ATI cards that were oldish but still current, about halfway up the technology curve, to use in a video display system
[11:13] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: I recommend intel graphics these days
[11:13] <gordonjcp> "Yes, these cards are fully supported in Linux"
[11:13] <gordonjcp> gret
[11:13] <gordonjcp> *great, even
[11:13] <gordonjcp> six months down the line and BANG
[11:13] <gordonjcp> support for them was deleted in the driver
[11:14] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: I don't like the Intel chipsets
[11:14] <gordonjcp> they're slow and crashy
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: so.. you're a matrox man?
[11:14] <gordonjcp> especially now that they've forced KMS onto it
[11:14] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: no, I only use NVidia
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> *shudder*
[11:14] <gordonjcp> my laptop has Intel, but it only supports text mode
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> I've had more problems with nvidia than with ati
[11:15] <gordonjcp> then you're Doing It Wrong
[11:15] <Pendulum> morning
[11:15] <MartijnVdS> especially "hey, kernel security upgrade.. now I have to spend a day to get my drivers to work again"
[11:15] <gordonjcp> *all* NVidia cards right back to their earliest ones are well-supported in Linux
[11:15] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: oh, they're broken in Debianish distributions, because of upstream Debian vandalism
[11:15] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: also, no support for proper display configuration tools (xrandr)
[11:16] <gordonjcp> I've never found a practical use for xrandr
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> I have
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> it works great on my laptop (intel) when connecting it to my TV or a projector
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> coworkers with nvidia? problems all the time
[11:16] <gordonjcp> I use NVidia; pluggin in projectors just plain works
[11:16] <gordonjcp> *plugging
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: not on my coworkers' laptops.. they have to use the tool to write a xorg.conf and then restart X for it to work
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> the nvidia-settings tool
[11:17] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: they must be doing something wrong, then
[11:17] <gordonjcp> I've never used nvidia-settings
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: Yeah, they're not using intel.
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: how do you configure it then?
[11:17] <gordonjcp> it all just works perfectly out of the box
[11:17] <gordonjcp> put card in, install driver
[11:18] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: Sure.. attach projector on the fly... how do you tell it to be a second screen instead of a mirror, etc.?
[11:18] <gordonjcp> no idea, it's not something I've ever needed to do
[11:18] <MartijnVdS> nvidia is bad at that, intel good and ati acceptable (xrandr!)
[11:19] <gordonjcp> right, but that's not a good enough reason to switch to otherwise poorly-supported Intel hardware
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: Poorly-supported in what way?
[11:20] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: they're slow and buggy
[11:20] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: no 3D support, at sensible speeds
[11:20] <MartijnVdS> 3D works fine here, at a sensible (for me) speed
[11:20] <MartijnVdS> also, no crashes yet
[11:20] <gordonjcp> they never ever come back from suspend
[11:20] <MartijnVdS> Maybe in 2008.. that's worked for ages on my laptop
[11:21] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: <shrug>
[11:21] <MartijnVdS> since the whole KMS thing
[11:21] <gordonjcp> they don't work *at all* on my laptop
[11:21] <gordonjcp> no graphics support since KMS came in
[11:21] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: what kind of chip?
[11:23] <gordonjcp> can't remember offhand, it's a Thinkpad R50e
[11:23] <gordonjcp> intel GM855 rings a bell
[11:23] <MartijnVdS> That's 2003ish?
[11:23] <gordonjcp> no idea
[11:23] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: what's that got to do with anything?
[11:24] <gordonjcp> I thought Linux was supposed to work well on older hardware?
[11:24] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: Older intel chips were poo (on a hardware level). :)
[11:24] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: right, but is that an excuse for removing support for the card?
[11:24] <MartijnVdS> they fixed that.
[11:24] <MartijnVdS> They didn't remove support. I have a machine with even older (830) graphics that works fine
[11:25] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: let me just reiterate - the graphics worked about as well as could be expected, *right up until KMS was introduced*
[11:25] <gordonjcp> now there is no graphics support
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: What's the bug number?
[11:28] <brobostigon> is dropbox under linux, using excessive amounts of ram, for anyone else, around 500MB in total here.
[11:28] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: bug number?
[11:29] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: you did file a bug to report that your graphics doesn't work, right?
[11:29] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: no, because it's not a bug
[11:29] <MartijnVdS> it is.. if hardware isn't supported, file a bug.
[11:30] <gordonjcp> Intel want to sell more graphics chipsets by disabling support for older ones, and that's fine
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> especially if it used to be supported.
[11:30] <gordonjcp> they're just not going to sell chips to me
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: except they don't, because it works fine on my even-older Intel chips.
[12:29] <bigcalm> directhex: does Super Meat Boy audio work for you?
[12:29] <bigcalm> The intro does for me, but then nothing in game
[12:30] <brobostigon> does anyone here use dropbox on 11.04 or 10.10 and get massive ram usage?
[12:44] <popey>  2051 alan      20   0  518m  66m  18m S    0  0.8   0:39.94 dropbox
[12:44] <popey> is that massive brobostigon ?
[12:45] <popey> above it I have xorg, compiz, java and firefox
[12:51] <brobostigon> popey yes, half my ram is big usage.
[12:52] <brobostigon> gpu hang, on my natty eeepc, so i am logged into it via ssh.
[12:52] <czajkowski> pretty day in London
[12:58] <gord> i like it when people try and explain what unity/gnome-shell is, it basically ends up turning into something resembling the fork handles sketch
[12:59] <czajkowski> meh
[13:09]  * brobostigon shakes fist at DRM.
[13:09] <brobostigon> gpu hang, :(
[13:11] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: my X recovers from GPU hangs (they don't happen often, but I've had entries in the log about it)
[13:11] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: shows up in dmesg here, and xorg isnt recovering, and it is happening sometimes a few times a day.
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: did you enable/disable KMS?
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> (i.e. change from the default)
[13:12] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: not a clue, sorry, it is default.
[13:12] <matti> ;]
[13:13] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: can you pastebin "lsmod" output somewhere?
[13:13] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: (guessing i915 is loaded)
[13:13] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: no problem, one minute.
[13:14] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: http://paste.ubuntu.com/595114/
[13:14] <brobostigon> lsmod | pastebinit   :)
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> yeah, i915 is loaded.. try rebooting with "i915.modeset=0" on the kernel command line
[13:15] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: umm, ok, i will try, how will that help?
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: it'll let X do all the GPU work, instead of the kernel
[13:16] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: it uses a different code path, which might be less buggy
[13:16] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ah, i see. i will try when i next reboot,, thank you.
[13:16] <MartijnVdS> or at least differently buggy :)
[13:16] <brobostigon> hmm,
[13:18] <MartijnVdS> hmm?
[13:19] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: can you elaborate on that comment please.
[13:19] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: Well the KMS (kernel mode setting) code apparently has a bug that makes your GPU hang
[13:20] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: If you disable KMS and let X do all GPU stuff, if it works better, it might still have bugs
[13:20] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yes, the many bugs i have read, regarding it, point towards that, yes.
[13:20] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: other ones than GPU hangs :)
[13:20] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ah, i see,
[13:20] <MartijnVdS> but a messed-up mouse cursor isn't as bad as a hanging GPU :)
[13:21] <brobostigon> greed, atleast with the former i canstill do something, and dont need to rely on ssh to get things working again,
[13:21] <brobostigon> agreed*
[13:22] <MartijnVdS> vnc ;)
[13:22] <brobostigon> or that. yes, :)
[13:29] <jacobw> http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Aqo0mtC4HzfP7BGt_NV453Mf3IlQ;_ylv=3?qid=20110417052836AAucfYk
[13:30] <jacobw> :|
[13:31] <jacobw> i knew there was a reason i'd never porused yahoo answers before
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> ...
[13:34] <Pendulum> signs of American's weaknesses: one of my mates just tweeted that 20oz is a lot of beer
[13:39] <AlanBell> not sure how much 20oz is, but I do know what a lot of beer is when I see it.
[13:39] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: it's a UK pint
[13:39] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: (US pints are 16oz afaik)
[13:41] <Pendulum> MartijnVdS: correct
[13:41] <AlanBell> a lot of beer -> http://twitter.com/#!/search/beerex
[13:41] <Pendulum> because in the US 1 pint = 2 cups and 1 cup = 8 oz
[13:42] <Pendulum> don't ask me who made these measurements up, I have no idea
[13:42] <MartijnVdS> \o/ metric system
[13:42] <Pendulum> and I think all pints should be 20oz
[13:42] <Pendulum> at least when they involve beer or cider
[13:43] <Pendulum> this is why when someone said earlier this week that 20oz of pepsi was a lot, I disagreed
[13:43] <MartijnVdS> for Americans, it's not
[13:43] <MartijnVdS> don't you get quarts at drive-throughs? :)
[13:43] <Pendulum> I mostly think if you're used to drinking your beer by the pint, why should it be an issue to drink soft drinks by the pint
[13:43] <Pendulum> haha
[13:44] <Pendulum> I don't know
[13:44] <Pendulum> you actually might be able to these days...
[13:44] <brobostigon> how much is a quart ?
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: about a liter
[13:44]  * Pendulum has not gone through a drive through since October (and then it was Starbucks and I was getting tea)
[13:44] <Pendulum> 1.06 liters
[13:44] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: wow, yes, that is quite abit,
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: (2 US pints = 32fl.oz)
[13:44] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ah,
[13:45] <AlanBell> I found that in America all the measurements kind of made sense and everything fitted
[13:45] <AlanBell> so you get a *huge* thing of milk, but it exactly fits the *huge* fridge
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: that's because most things are dual-measurement :)
[13:45] <Pendulum> haha
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: Urinals and toilets were marked with their volume in both liters and weird American measures
[13:46]  * AlanBell is astonished that a urinal has a rated volume
[13:46] <Pendulum> when I was a kid we'd go though a *huge* thing of milk in about 3 days (if not less time than that)
[13:46]  * AlanBell is bubbling over with unsuitable urinal related comments
[13:47]  * brobostigon imagines bad tolilet humour.
[13:47] <brobostigon> toilet*
[13:47]  * AlanBell goes to put some stuff on the BBQ. Laters all o/
[13:48] <brobostigon> bye, enjoy AlanBell :)
[13:48] <Pendulum> AlanBell: have fun!
[13:53] <popey> wheeeee!
[13:53]  * popey files 3 more bugs in unity
[13:53] <popey> bug 763569
[13:53] <popey> bug 763576
[13:53] <popey> bug 763579
[13:54] <popey> decided no to use "ugly" on the last one :)
[13:54] <shauno> admit it, you just couldn't device between 'ugly drop shadow' and 'ugly issues'
[13:54] <shauno> er, *decide
[13:55] <ali12341> heh, the dropshadow moves but the panel doesn't
[13:55] <popey> indeed
[13:56] <popey> i want an option to disable that drop shadow
[13:56] <popey> i also want a pony
[13:56] <ali12341> "use classic desktop"
[13:57] <popey> :)
[13:57] <popey> when someone has asked me to make videos for a book, where the feature of the book is.. unity
[13:57] <popey> that suggestion sadly wont wash :)
[13:58] <popey> maybe the book should say "hey, unity is the new UI, but we wont show it cos it's broken like"
[13:58] <ali12341> "this page intentionally left blank" x 500
[13:58] <popey> haha
[13:58] <popey> and just a copy of big buck bunny on the cd
[13:58] <dutchie> AlanBell/Pendulum: there is a austrian pub in worcester where you can buy beer by the litre :)
[13:59] <Pendulum> I've been to a pub in Germany where that was possible
[14:00] <brobostigon> plenty of pubs in germany, etc do that.
[14:00] <popey> i suspect the point being that this is the UK, where we don't take to metrification of our beer
[14:00] <dutchie> indeed, but not many this side of the channel
[14:00] <dutchie> and a litre is quite a lot
[14:03] <shauno> remember finding a place in prague that served by the litre.  we vowed never to leave.
[14:03] <shauno> in my defence, I don't remember leaving
[14:04] <Pendulum> maybe you didn't. maybe this is all an illusion and you're still there
[14:05] <shauno> that may explain a lot
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> shauno: good thing beer is cheaper than water in Prague
[14:08] <MartijnVdS> shauno: (we had a €11 bottle of water in our hotel room there)
[14:08] <popey> yeah, that was outrageous
[14:08] <popey> although we took a fon access point and used it to share the hotel wired network to our wifi devices
[14:08] <popey> someone paid to use it :)
[14:09] <shauno> I've taken to always taking a router with me :/
[14:09] <shauno> with what they charge in roaming costs, it's worth the hassle just for my phone
[14:15] <nucc1> anyone have any idea why my gnome3 desktop power management is not turning off my monitors?
[14:15] <nucc1> i also can't find a shutdown button anywhere
[14:18] <kazade> nucc1, hold ALT.. suspend turns to shutdown apparently
[14:19] <nucc1> kazade, aye. thanks. hmmm.
[14:24] <MartijnVdS> kazade: another great "feature"
[14:34] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: and or should i try the newest kernel from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.39-rc3-natty/ aswell ?
[14:35] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: change one variable at a time -- if the kernel command line option works, say so on the bug
[14:36] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: then try the ppa kernel, check if IT works (with and without the option)
[14:36] <MartijnVdS> and report again
[14:36] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ok, yes, you are right, thank you.
[14:50] <HazRPG> lo \o
[14:50] <HazRPG> brobostigon: hmm? I did?
[14:50] <MartijnVdS> howdy
[14:51] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: howdy doodle \o
[14:51] <HazRPG> brobostigon: no, I spelled that right :)
[14:52] <HazRPG> brobostigon: alis is a bot /msg alis help :)
[14:52] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i didnt know, so i thought it was a mistake, sorry.
[14:53] <HazRPG> brobostigon: its ok :)
[14:53] <brobostigon> HazRPG: :)
[14:53] <HazRPG> brobostigon: guessing you didn't see the video then :P
[14:53] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i havent yet, i only got as far as reading it, atthe moment,
[14:57] <HazRPG> brobostigon: alis is very useful, and she accepts wildcards :)
[15:00] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i just watched your video, yes, i need tohve a pplaywith this, it looks interesting.
[15:01] <HazRPG> brobostigon: its useful when one is being lazy :)
[15:02] <HazRPG> even more useful since it'll tell you how many people are in there too
[15:02] <brobostigon> HazRPG: which i dontthink irssi's list function doesnt do.
[15:03] <HazRPG> I always use the wildcard in the front and the back just in case.
[15:03] <MartijnVdS> /names gives a total
[15:03] <HazRPG> mainly because I'm never sure if it has # or ## or not hash at all
[15:03] <brobostigon> HazRPG: goodpoint, yes.
[15:04] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: /names is a  userlist though, not channel listing,
[15:04] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Ah, but that's if your already /in/ a channel :P
[15:04] <brobostigon> oh, yes. sorry, minterpretation.
[15:06] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: hehe, just found this album on u1ms: Various Artists - The Workout Mix 2011
[15:06] <HazRPG> seems to have 52 songs, each of roughly £0.99, or £8.99 for the album!
[15:07] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: good deal
[15:07] <HazRPG> seems to have a mix of old and new on there
[15:08] <HazRPG> ooo, it even has: Owl City - Fireflies!
[15:08] <HazRPG> I like that song :)
[15:09] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: it's not in the international store
[15:09] <MartijnVdS> but several "80s workout mixes" are 8-)
[15:09] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: seriously, it isn't!? :O
[15:09] <HazRPG> that sucks :(
[15:09] <MartijnVdS> no.. probably contains Sony/BMG artists
[15:10] <MartijnVdS> Everything except Sony/BMG and some "independent" labels aren't on there
[15:10] <HazRPG> Label: Universal Music Ireland Ltd.
[15:10] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[15:11] <HazRPG> search for "Renegade Master" that was what I looked for
[15:11] <HazRPG> and how I found it
[15:11] <brobostigon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cos7APz8ves&feature=player_embedded
[15:11] <brobostigon> very funny,
[15:11] <HazRPG> was trying to find the fatboy slim version, but found the original for some reason lol
[15:11] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: you can get an u1ms link from the store
[15:12] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ?
[15:12] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: not sure if it'll show up, but here it is: http://www.7digital.com/artists/various-artists/the-workout-mix-2011/
[15:13] <HazRPG> brobostigon: I think he meant me :P
[15:13] <brobostigon> HazRPG: ah, maybe.
[15:13] <MartijnVdS> uhr
[15:13] <MartijnVdS> yes
[15:13] <MartijnVdS> sorry
[15:13] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: you can't get a u1ms link as far as I know... but all the music comes directly from 7digital anyways
[15:14] <HazRPG> according to the bottom of the u1ms anyways :P
[15:14] <HazRPG> "Service provided by 7digital ©2004-2010 7digital"
[15:14] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: did the 7digital link work?
[15:14] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: that does
[15:14] <MartijnVdS> but 7digital has a Dutch sture
[15:14] <MartijnVdS> store*
[15:14] <MartijnVdS> while U1MS doesn't (afaik)
[15:15] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: yeah I think 7digital have a deal with canonical
[15:16] <HazRPG> either that, or they're hoping people will subscribe to their extra space package
[15:16] <HazRPG> I'll see if I can urlsnarf the u1ms url :)
[15:17] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: you can't.. it's generated by Rhythmbox
[15:17] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: can on my side ;)
[15:18] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: heh, rofl, its just a forward to this page: http://www.7digital.com/artists/various-artists/the-workout-mix-2011
[15:18] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: exactly.. have Rhythmbox copy the URL for you :)
[15:19] <HazRPG> actual link that rhythm makes is: http://stores.7digital.com/7_1/productDetail.aspx?pid=1057708&sid=29036561&tid=11623563
[15:20] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: check out ma google fuuuuuu ;)
[15:20] <HazRPG> http://www.7digital.com/stores/default.aspx?shop=496
[15:20] <HazRPG> do I know my web stuff, or do I know my web stuff :P
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: when playing a song, right-click and select "Copy U1MS URL" or something
[15:21] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I can't right-click in rhythm at all in the music store
[15:23] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: "Get link to Music Store" outside the store, when playing a song
[15:25] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: "Unable to automatically detect which song is currently playing. Please try searching for the song in the Ubuntu One Music Store."
[15:26] <kvarley> http://www.roozz.com/ - How can I make their 32-bit linux plugin work on a 64-bit install of ubuntu?
[15:26] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: doesn't matter what I do or search for same results
[15:26] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: :|
[15:30] <MartijnVdS> Time to listen to some "real music" (on vinyl :))
[15:31] <HazRPG> lol
[15:31] <HazRPG> that is sooooo weird
[15:31] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: says the person who bought a C64 to play SIDs
[15:32] <HazRPG> the u1ms on the browser can't seem to find the "The Workout Mix 2011" but in Rhythmbox it can :S
[15:32] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: lol, no vinyl is awesome :)
[15:32] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I meant u1ms
[15:39] <MartijnVdS> \o/ Kraftwerk
[15:43] <MartijnVdS> "Produced in W. Germany"
[15:45] <gordonjcp> yay, Kraftwerk
[15:45] <gordonjcp> incidentally, regarding playing SID tunes
[15:45] <gordonjcp> I have eight new-old-stock 6581s in a bag sitting here
[15:45] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: ^ you reading that? :)
[15:46] <HazRPG> gordonjcp: :o!
[15:46] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I am now, thanks for the buzz :P
[15:47] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: /help hilight
[15:47] <gordonjcp> HazRPG: I've had them for about 20 years
[15:48] <gordonjcp> HazRPG: I grabbed them from the spares drawer of a computer shop I was working for when it went bust and was being cleared out
[15:48] <HazRPG> gordonjcp: awesome :)
[15:48] <directhex> bigcalm: yeah, it's very squishy soundig
[15:48] <gordonjcp> HazRPG: *if* I'd thought that they would ever be worth anything I'd have desoldered the 6581s from the 70 or 80 semi-dead C64s that we threw in the skip
[15:49] <HazRPG> gordonjcp: >_<
[15:49] <HazRPG> wait desolder?
[15:49] <HazRPG> they just pop out lol
[15:49] <gordonjcp> HazRPG: in 1992, they were horrible old shite that didn't even work and no-one wanted them for anything
[15:49] <gordonjcp> the 6581?
[15:49] <gordonjcp> soldered in...
[15:49] <gordonjcp> not hard to desolder
[15:49] <gordonjcp> hot air paintstripper, heat the board, whack it off the bench
[15:50] <HazRPG> oh, the actual clip is soldered on, but the chip itself isn't
[15:50] <gordonjcp> HazRPG: hm, they are on most C64s
[15:50]  * gordonjcp -> off out
[15:50] <HazRPG> gordonjcp: I've got 2 here, and I took them out with a screw driver, cleaned off some muck off them and popped them back :P
[15:50] <gordonjcp> HazRPG: for maximum geekyness I wanted to mount them on a QBus protoboard and fit them in my PDP11
[15:51] <HazRPG> gordonjcp: do those chips still work?
[15:51] <gordonjcp> HazRPG: probably, they've been packed in antistatic stuff for all that time
[15:52] <HazRPG> gordonjcp: how many you got? And do you mind sparing one?
[15:52] <HazRPG> gordonjcp: cos the one I've got seems to be defunct :(
[15:53] <HazRPG> makes some unnatural sounds
[15:53] <MartijnVdS> like.. a bit computery?
[15:53] <MartijnVdS> like chiptunes?
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[15:57] <HazRPG> loool
[15:57] <HazRPG> nah, its got more of a crackle then it should :/
[15:57] <HazRPG> n can't play some of the notes for some odd reason :(
[15:58] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: u1ms has arabic music!
[15:59] <MartijnVdS> it does?
[15:59] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: It does! And no wonder I couldn't find them... I was trying to type their names in arabic... when it's the english written the way it would sound in arabic
[15:59] <HazRPG> which makes them harder to find :(
[16:00] <HazRPG> search for Hakim :)
[16:00] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: I don't think I'd get much out of Arabic music
[16:00] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: problem 1: the language ;)
[16:01] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: That's no excuse lol, I listen to german and other languages... and I don't understand them :P
[16:02] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Seems his most popular album which made him famous in Egypt isn't on there for some stupid reason: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf8jsnwrk-0 <== this song
[16:04] <gord> people listen to music for the lyrics? crazy people
[16:04] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: omg the music channel called mazika (mazika = music), seems to be recommending IE9 for some reason! http://www.mazika.com/Default.aspx
[16:04] <MartijnVdS> becuase MS sponsors!
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[16:05] <HazRPG> lol
[16:05] <HazRPG> I seriously need to set up shop in Egypt and teach them some sense!
[16:07] <gord> would be nice if u1 made an online music streaming service
[16:07] <MartijnVdS> gord: like spotify?
[16:07] <gord> no
[16:07] <HazRPG> would be, but I don't think 7digital do streaming
[16:07] <gord> like the music streaming it already has, but not limited to my phone
[16:17] <HazRPG> seems its restart time
[16:17] <HazRPG> avoided it for a while (updates required restart)
[16:17] <HazRPG> but seems I can't avoid it any longer lol
[16:17] <MartijnVdS> bye
[16:17] <MartijnVdS> and good luck ;)
[16:18] <HazRPG> lol
[16:18] <HazRPG> indeed
[16:18] <HazRPG> brb
[16:21] <HazRPG> back
[16:22] <HazRPG> heh, seems i didn't miss much
[16:25] <Azelphur> Well, there goes my new internet, that only took 1 day :(
[16:25] <HazRPG> Azelphur: Hmm?
[16:25] <Azelphur> My dad phoned them up while I was asleep and started demanding the ADSL Login information told them he was going to hack it and that their company policy was stupid
[16:25] <Azelphur> and I think I even overheard him making some sexist jokes at the expense of the tech support lady.
[16:26] <Azelphur> something about it's in the female genes
[16:26] <DJones> Azelphur: Why did he do that
[16:26] <Azelphur> DJones: so he can get my internet cut off \o/
[16:26] <HazRPG> Azelphur: ouch
[16:26] <HazRPG> Azelphur: can your dad even hack :/?
[16:26] <Azelphur> indeed, that only lasted a day haha
[16:26] <Myrtti> do I even want to know...?
[16:26] <DJones> Myrtti: Probably not
[16:27] <Azelphur> HazRPG: he did reflash the old version of the sky router but I think he doesn't know how to do the newer ones
[16:27] <HazRPG> Azelphur: was all this just because the internet was being funny?
[16:28] <Azelphur> HazRPG: the internet went down, I was going to get called back by tier 2 support today or tomorrow to arrange a replacement router or BT engineer
[16:28] <HazRPG> Azelphur: I knew it was a good move to go from UKonline to BeThere instead of sky
[16:28] <Azelphur> haha, sky didn't really do anything wrong it's probably just that the router broke
[16:28] <HazRPG> Azelphur: my point exactly :P
[16:28] <Azelphur> now my dads being abusive to them I'll probably end up getting cut off or something \o/
[16:29] <HazRPG> Azelphur: my old ISP UKonline said they'd merged with Sky, and that they're asking us to shift our details by Jan of this year over to Sky... I said "hell no..." and went elsewhere
[16:29] <Myrtti> is it a good thing you're getting cut off?
[16:29] <Myrtti> no, wait, nevermind
[16:29] <Myrtti> I don't want to know.
[16:29] <Azelphur> no, I've only had it one day haha
[16:30] <Azelphur> my dads just trying to sabotage it so I get no internet, it's a power game :(
[16:30] <MartijnVdS> .. move out?
[16:30] <Azelphur> on my todo list :P
[16:30] <HazRPG> Azelphur: mainly because sky had me on hold for like 2-3hrs when I was going to merge it over... instead I just asked for my MAC code because if that's the support I was going to get from them, then I wanted nothing to do with them. I preferred UKonline's 24/7 support service
[16:30] <DJones> Azelphur: If the contract is in your name why is he ringing them up, if its in his name .... Its up to him :)
[16:31] <Azelphur> HazRPG: when I called it seemed nice, they answered pretty quick and have 24/7 now and I didn't get mucked about with the whole "Right click my computer" "BUT THE ADSL SYNC LIGHT IS RED" thing
[16:31] <Azelphur> DJones: my mum in her great wisdom and against my advice let him take it in his name
[16:31] <Azelphur> and i knew something like this would happen and told her so :)
[16:31] <HazRPG> Azelphur: you probably got through to the UKonline support team, guessing they kept them on if its 24hrs now lol
[16:32] <HazRPG> the UKonline support team was always great to me
[16:32] <Azelphur> HazRPG: seemed cool as I say, I got through to tier 0 and I said the internet is down, and before they started asking me questions I just said "The ADSL Light on the router is Amber" "Solid amber?" "Yes" "Hold while I put you through to tier 1"
[16:32] <HazRPG> I could ring them up any time, say the word linux... and they'll be like ahhhh, well in that case, I'm guessing you've tried x, y, z... hang on a moment *type type type*
[16:32] <Azelphur> straight through to tier 1, tier 1 starts running line tests
[16:32] <Azelphur> and meanwhile we talk about Linux and virtualization xD
[16:33] <Azelphur> yea that's pretty much what happened to me
[16:33] <HazRPG> hehe
[16:33] <HazRPG> I loved the ukonline team :)
[16:33] <HazRPG> BeThere have an irc server though :P
[16:34] <Azelphur> HazRPG: they arn't unbundled in my area + they are Unlimited* :P
[16:34] <HazRPG> Azelphur: hmm?
[16:34] <Azelphur> Be have a FUP
[16:34] <HazRPG> moment door
[16:35] <HazRPG> Azelphur: UKonline did... it was 500GB FUP ;)
[16:36] <Azelphur> yea sky is no fup that's why I chose :P
[16:50] <nucc1> to move virtualbox VMs to another machine, is it enough to just copy the .Virtualbox folder across?
[17:14] <Myrtti> zoink
[17:14] <Myrtti> Comic Sans used in telly :-(
[17:14]  * MartijnVdS gave up on that specific fight
[17:18] <Myrtti> aw, this programme has the same background music early Who do you think you are-shows have
[17:19] <jacobw> 'ambigous title'
[17:23] <AlanBell> can anyone confirm the instructions here work? http://launchpad.net/circleoffriends
[17:25] <dutchie> seems to
[17:25] <dutchie> although i can't see any tweets
[17:25] <dutchie> aha
[17:26] <AlanBell> yeah, good point, people might expect it to load past tweets
[17:28] <Myrtti> wohey, election night
[17:31] <AlanBell> issyl0: dutchie: fun isn't it!
[17:31] <dutchie> it is
[17:31] <issyl0> AlanBell: Yes!
[17:31] <gord> AlanBell, any aspirations to get that in to gwibber? :)
[17:31] <AlanBell> screaming fast twitter updates in gwibber, hmm
[17:32]  * dutchie is investigating patching streaming api into current twitter client
[17:32] <AlanBell> gord: I have seen the insides of gwibber
[17:32] <AlanBell> which is why I started from scratch
[17:33] <gord> can you not just keep it as a library that you can hook in to, then you can keep your client for your own development and hook gwibber into the library for gwibber
[17:33] <AlanBell> It would be good to get it in, but it would be a bit of a rearchitecture job that the core developers would need to be heavily involved in
[17:33] <gord> the main reason i keep using gwibber rather than better other clients, is because gwibber does everything, so i wouldn't use something thats twitter only
[17:33] <AlanBell> the library is available, tweepy. I contributed the upstream patch to get user streams working
[17:34] <AlanBell> I just wanted a light framework I could experiment with, and gwibber isn't that
[17:35] <AlanBell> I don't know if identi.ca has a streaming API
[17:35] <gord> sure :) why i said asparations - i never start of coding a new project or idea in something big like gwibber, i always prototype and make sure i get it working in a nice light client
[17:35] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: TDD? :)
[17:36] <AlanBell> "
[17:36] <MartijnVdS> "?
[17:36] <AlanBell> Private streams are not implemented in StatusNet yet."
[17:36] <AlanBell> yeah, this is a prototype
[17:36] <AlanBell> but it might end up as a quite functional twitter client
[17:36]  * MartijnVdS loves test suites :)
[17:37] <Myrtti> Status.net has very little private anything anyway
[17:37] <Myrtti> which is one of the reasons I stopped using it
[17:38] <MartijnVdS> It's the internet, I don't assume privacy anyway
[17:38] <AlanBell> it is a betamax vs VHS thing
[17:38] <gord> not if you have a client that works on everything ;)
[17:39] <Myrtti> I assume that in the Internet I don't have to hand my information on a silver platter to malicious people
[17:40] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: you don't have to, but they wouldn't mind of course :)
[17:40] <Myrtti> but anyway, it's a discussion of apples and oranges, status.net obviously isn't for everyone
[17:40] <Myrtti> which is why everyone aren't using it
[17:48] <Myrtti> AHAHAHAAa election night alright, national broadcasting company is using the vote data well
[17:49] <Myrtti> http://beta.yle.fi/eduskuntavaalit_2011/ - race for being PM
[18:35] <ali12341> Myrtti: but who do i root for?
[18:44] <AlanBell> !root
[19:20] <DJones> AlanBell: Just about to try circleoffriends, would you expect it to want to download & install 328Mb of files for the sudo apt-get install bzr quickly ?
[19:23] <AlanBell> not if you are starting from Ubuntu
[19:23] <AlanBell> it can be done with fewer dependencies
[19:24] <DJones> AlanBell: Fresh install of 10.10, updated to Natty wants to install 328Mb, give me a sec & I'll pastebin the list
[19:24] <AlanBell> bzr (to get it) and python-gtk2 python-gobject python-launchpad-integration python-distutils-extra desktopcouch
[19:24] <AlanBell> the rest are bloat that quickly wants then
[19:24] <DJones> Sorry, download 83Mb, but install 328Mb
[19:24] <AlanBell> oh, that sounds about right then
[19:25] <AlanBell> quite a lot of that is quickly bloat
[19:25] <AlanBell> and things like glade
[19:25] <DJones> http://pastebin.com/RsiWJWZj
[19:26] <AlanBell> try installing my smaller list instead, how big is that?
[19:26] <AlanBell> sudo apt-get install bzr python-gtk2 python-gobject python-launchpad-integration python-distutils-extra desktopcouch
[19:27] <DJones> Thats download 4Mb, with 31Mb of disk space require for that line
[19:28] <AlanBell> ok, a worthy difference, I will update the instructions
[19:29] <DJones> Just installing that, presumably it then needs the bzr branch line as step 2
[19:29] <popey> AlanBell: I suspect help -> report a problem only works for apps that are known on launchpad
[19:29] <popey> known by apport that is
[19:30] <AlanBell> popey: yeah, I think it might be done when it gets packaged by quickly and build by launchpad
[19:30] <popey> yeah
[19:30] <AlanBell> DJones: yeah that bit is the same, but instead of "quickly run" it would be ./bin/circleoffriends
[19:33] <DJones> AlanBell: Do I need to be logged into launchpad/BZR "You have not informed bzr of your Launchpad ID, and you must do this to
[19:33] <DJones> write to Launchpad or access private data.  See "bzr help launchpad-login".
[19:34] <AlanBell> no, you don't need to do that
[19:34] <AlanBell> unless you want to commit code back
[19:34] <DJones> Branched 8 revision(s).             ok
[19:37] <DJones> Up & running with the updated instructions
[19:40] <Azelphur> Is it possible to open a dispute on amazon around a year after you've purchased something?
[19:40] <Azelphur> They are not honoring the warranty
[19:41] <AlanBell> try it and see
[19:43] <Azelphur> think I can
[19:43] <Azelphur> AlanBell: they keep ignoring my calls and emails, after a month of trying they sent me a 16GB Class 2 card in replacement for my 16GB Class 10
[19:49] <DJones> AlanBell: Its certainly fast & I can see it just showing new tweets.  It wasn't showing any tweets while I had gwibber running, possibly there's a conflict/gwibber was interfering with the feed
[19:49] <DJones> Just going to restart gwibber & see whether the same thing happens
[19:53] <DJones> Doesn't seem to be a problem now
[19:57] <Myrtti> the party that is in the same group with UKIP in EU parliament is gaining over 15% of votes in comparison to the election four years ago... people are planning an exodus abroad... wohey.
[19:57] <popey> Azelphur: who made the device?
[19:58] <popey> Azelphur: and was it actually amazon that sold it to you or a 3rd party via the marketplace?
[20:03] <ali12341> the music store uses the U-O login right?
[20:04] <popey> yes
[20:04] <ali12341> oops i broke it
[20:04] <ali12341> bug report time
[20:05] <ali12341> well i went into banshee and tried to buy something
[20:05] <ali12341> and it brought up a confusing windows saying to create an account
[20:05] <ali12341> but i already have an ubuntu one account
[20:05] <ali12341> so i cancelled it
[20:05] <ali12341> but then banshee just gets stuck - looks like i'll have to quit and restart
[20:06] <DJones> After reading so many complaints and dislikes about Natty & Unity I was expecting something awful, but having used it for a couple of days, I'm impressed with it.  Workspace switcher works brilliantly for me & how I'm using my machine
[20:06] <ali12341> ubuntu-bug won't let me report a bug because "this is not a genuine ubuntu package"
[20:07] <ali12341> but i can't report bugs against banshee unless i use their daily ppa
[20:20] <gord> ubuntu-bug is for reporting bugs against ubuntu not specific projects :)
[20:21] <gord> apport-bug is what i think? can't quite remember
[20:21] <ali12341> is the banshee plugin in a separate package?
[20:21] <ali12341> the UO plugin for banshee i mean
[20:21] <gord> no idea
[20:22] <popey> banshee-extension-ubuntuonemusicstore - Media Management and Playback application - U1MS extension
[20:22] <popey> yes
[20:26] <ali12341> apparently that's not a genuine ubuntu package either
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> ali12341: it is in natty
[20:26] <ali12341> oh it exists
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> have 2.0.0-1ubuntu2 here
[20:26] <ali12341> but the version i have is from banshee ppa
[20:27] <ali12341> 2.0.0+git20110414.r1.b394d0d-0ubuntu1+maverick
[20:27] <ali12341> is what i have
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> daily build?
[20:27] <ali12341> yes
[20:27] <ali12341> banshee developers won't accept bug reports unless you jump through these pointless hoops
[20:31] <gord> requiring people to use the latest software really isn't pointless =\
[20:33] <ali12341> it is when the bug has always existed and is trivial to reproduce
[20:33] <gord> what if its already fixed in the latest version?
[20:33] <gord> what if it doesn't happen the same way?
[20:33] <ali12341> well guess what... it isn't
[20:33] <ali12341> it happens the exact same way it always has
[20:34] <gord> yes but what if? this is why these pointless hoops exist
[20:34] <ali12341> i'm pretty sure these pointless hoops exist so that the developers can just ask "does it still happen with the newest version?" every 6 months until i get bored and they close the bug
[20:34] <gord> if you ship software to millions of people, some bugs are gonna get fixed in a newer version and people on older version are gonna keep reporting them, with good intent but if its already solved there is no point, its just extra work
[20:36] <ali12341> the thing is, bugs don;t often fix themselves
[20:36] <ali12341> if you don't know if it's fixed in the newest version, you should assume it isn't
[20:37] <gord> its not an assumption, its a priority, if someone confirms something exists in the latest version, as a developer, i'm gonna pay attention to that bug, i *know* its a bug *now* - otherwise i don't know its current status
[20:38] <ali12341> sometimes it looks an awful lot like absolutely nobody ever looks at bug reports apart from the people who ask "is this still a bug?"
[20:39] <ali12341> and i very often feel like replying by saying"did you fix it? if not it's still a bug"
[20:41] <directhex> on launchpad, that's definitely true.
[20:41] <directhex> most bugs fall into a black hole
[20:41] <ali12341> sure, this criticism mainly about launchpad
[20:42] <ali12341> the only bugs that i have on launchpad that have ever got fixed, got fixed because i reported them upstream myself
[20:49] <ali12341> i notice there is a bug about how launchpad can't really handle bugs against ppas yet...
[21:03] <jacobw> i'm looking at book swap websites, does anyone have any reccomendations?
[21:16] <Azelphur> popey: transcend made it, and it was a 3rd party seller
[21:16] <Azelphur> popey: I checked with transcend the retailer is supposed to be responsible for warranty replacements
[21:16] <popey> so you're contacting the 3rd party?
[21:16] <Azelphur> yes, I contacted them via email and phone
[21:17] <popey> and you've complained to amazon?
[21:17] <Azelphur> I want to
[21:17] <Azelphur> they have live chat open tomorrow so I'll probably prod the live chat people and ask what I should do about it
[21:18] <Azelphur> popey: I sent them a email explaining it was broken, they emailed me back saying to send it to them. I sent it back, a month went by with no communication, so I sent them a email asking where my card was, this went ignored for 10 days, so I called them, they said they was shipping the card out today, I got the card and it's a class 2 instead of class 6
[21:19] <Azelphur> I called them back and they said the guy I need to talk to wasn't in and they'd call me back, they didn't. I called them again and left a message on their answering machine, still no callback
[21:19] <Azelphur> so now I'm looking to escalate :p
[21:21] <popey> who are the supplier?
[21:21] <Azelphur> popey: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/seller/at-a-glance.html?ie=UTF8&seller=A388NQR4J28IX
[21:29] <Azelphur> In other news, since I now have no cabled internet, I wonder how long before giffgaff gets mad at me, I've done 800MB in 24 hours on my mobile haha
[21:34] <jacobw> according to their tos they don't like tethering
[21:35] <Azelphur> jacobw: exactly.
[21:36] <daftykins> giffgaff?
[21:36] <popey> mobile phone network here
[21:36] <daftykins> really o0
[21:37] <daftykins> little startup?
[21:37] <popey> basically a spin off of O2
[21:37] <popey> no
[21:38] <nick_> hi
[21:39] <AlanBell> hi nick_
[21:39] <daftykins> interesting
[21:39] <nick_> does anyone have that problem with ubuntu where it hangs on shutdown?
[21:40] <czajkowski> dear unity please stop randomly crashing today for no reason what so ever
[21:40] <czajkowski> :(
[21:40] <daftykins> maybe its plumping its' pillow
[21:40] <czajkowski> unity and I are going to have a falling out one of these days
[21:40] <AlanBell> nick_: yeah
[21:40] <popey> czajkowski: 13:56:32 < ali12341> "use classic desktop"
[21:41] <nick_> Yu have that problem, cuz i do and i have to do a hard shutdown
[21:41] <daftykins> czajkowski: it wants more TLC in your relationship by the sounds
[21:41] <AlanBell> well actually my laptop doesn't shut down from the gui, but sudo halt does shut it down and turns it off
[21:41] <czajkowski> popey: possibly tbh
[21:41] <HazRPG> is there a tool or daemon that can clear up some RAM on the fly?
[21:41] <nick_> do u have the ubuntu logo and them balls go across screen?
[21:41] <czajkowski> daftykins: I'm not feeling it's love by now, beta 2 should be a lot more propper
[21:42] <HazRPG> I really don't like how things that use either Java or Flash seem to just hog my PC's RAM as if its all theirs
[21:42] <AlanBell> no, shutdown just doesn't do much
[21:42] <nick_> is everyone here using ubuntu?
[21:42] <daftykins> HazRPG: it's Adobe making their presence known
[21:42] <HazRPG> daftykins: true, but what about java?
[21:42] <jacobw> many of us do nick_
[21:42] <ali12341> nick_: there's one guy who uses fedora
[21:42] <daftykins> oh java too
[21:42] <daftykins> nasty.
[21:43] <popey> http://ubuntuone.com/p/TGO/   SPOONS!
[21:43] <Azelphur> SHUN THE NONBELIEVER
[21:43] <jacobw> there's even one guy who uses beos :p
[21:43] <Azelphur> shuuuuuuuuuun :p
[21:43] <nick_> lmao
[21:43] <ali12341> yeah but not exclusively
[21:43] <ali12341> i hope
[21:44] <ali12341> popey: what's the difference between one.ubuntu.com and ubuntuone.com?
[21:44] <daftykins> windows here
[21:44] <daftykins> \o/
[21:44]  * daftykins hides
[21:44] <nick_> i hate windows
[21:44] <ali12341> (other than the first one works and the latter doesn't?)
[21:44] <popey> ali12341: ubuntuone.com is the public fileshare url
[21:44] <daftykins> and ubuntu servers + desktop
[21:44] <daftykins> :>
[21:44] <daftykins> i'm typing from ubuntu via ubuntu right now
[21:44] <ali12341> popey: ah i see
[21:44] <Azelphur> ali12341: same, ubuntuone.com didn't work for me
[21:44] <daftykins> via synergy \o/
[21:44] <popey> its not supposed to Azelphur
[21:45] <ali12341> popey: your link didn't load up at first, it just timed out
[21:45] <popey> heh
[21:45] <popey> nice infrastructure
[21:45] <ali12341> then it turned out just to be a picture of some spoons
[21:45] <popey> indeed
[21:45] <popey> hence the comment
[21:45] <nick_> anyone use opensuse?
[21:45] <ali12341> i tried it once
[21:45] <ali12341> didn't like it
[21:45] <nick_> lol why?
[21:46] <ali12341> suse specific system admin tools suck
[21:46] <nick_> they are great
[21:46] <ali12341> slow and unpredictable
[21:46] <nick_> what other distros have u used?
[21:46] <ali12341> you never know if it's going to work or crash out half way through
[21:46] <Azelphur> I mostly use Ubuntu an Android, I've used Debian but don't use it for anything currently
[21:47] <nick_> Ubuntu is ok
[21:47] <nick_> can be a pain in the ass at times
[21:47] <nick_> i dual boot it with vista
[21:47] <Azelphur> so can anything :p
[21:47] <Azelphur> lolvista :D
[21:47] <Azelphur> now there's a pain in the ass
[21:47] <nick_> its ok tbh xD
[21:47] <Azelphur> 7 or xp is one thing, but you can't say ubuntu is a pain in the ass and be using vista
[21:47] <Azelphur> it just doesn't compute :D
[21:48] <nick_> vista works ok for me
[21:48] <Azelphur> lol
[21:48] <ali12341> nick_: slackware, red hat, suse, knoppix, gentoo, kubuntu, ubuntu, openwrt, lfs, buildroot, fedora, opensuse... in that order
[21:48] <nick_> ive tried a few of them. Never heard of openwrt...
[21:48] <ali12341> oh i forgot debian... but i never really got past the first five minutes with it
[21:49] <nick_> i like setting up servers with linux mostly
[21:49] <ali12341> oh yeah i used centos on servers too
[21:49] <ali12341> but now i use ubuntu
[21:49] <nick_> ive tried it as a live cd. is it any good?
[21:50] <ali12341> which one lol?
[21:50] <nick_> centos
[21:50] <ali12341> it's rhel with the logos filed off
[21:50] <nick_> yh i no its a duplicate
[21:50] <ali12341> good for servers sure
[21:51] <ali12341> dunno if i would use it for desktop
[21:51] <nick_> why?
[21:51] <ali12341> i prefer to use up to date software
[21:52] <nick_> i tried arch, but couldnt get the network to work lol
[21:52] <ali12341> of course if they stop developing gnome classic i'll have no reason to keep upgrading
[21:52] <ali12341> then i could switch to centos when it eventually gets the "last" version
[21:52] <HazRPG> seems the programs I like using often are bad bad offenders of memory leaks :(
[21:52] <nick_> where you from?
[21:54] <ali12341> the UK, funnily enough
[21:54] <nick_> haha same
[21:54] <popey> http://ubuntuone.com/p/OlP/
[21:54] <popey> put your sunglasses on
[21:54] <popey> and earplugs
[21:54] <ali12341> WHY
[21:54] <popey> and dont click that if you're epeleptic
[21:54]  * popey is surfing u1
[21:55] <ali12341> how so?
[21:55] <ali12341> just typing random urls?
[21:55] <popey> kinda :)
[21:55] <nick_> http://sourmath.com
[21:55] <popey> semi-random
[21:55] <nick_> www.sourmath.com
[21:55] <popey> dude
[21:55] <popey> inappropriate
[21:56] <nick_> lmfao
[21:56] <nick_> my bad
[21:57] <nick_> opensuse is great
[21:58] <nick_> anyone know how to clone a partition, like windows and put in a virtual machine?
[21:58] <popey> p2v
[21:58] <ali12341> hmm downloading random shared files
[21:59] <ali12341> from ubuntu one
[21:59] <ali12341> i just got some dude's CV
[21:59] <popey> ali12341: fun, isnt it :)
[21:59] <ali12341> skills: autocad, microsoft office, matlab
[21:59] <Azelphur> lol office :D
[22:00] <ali12341> (word, excel *and* powerpoint!)
[22:01] <Azelphur> indeed xD
[22:04] <nick> hi
[22:06] <Guest71737> kkk
[22:06] <Guest71737> #whois nick
[22:06] <Guest71737> #whois /nick
[22:08] <AlanBell> hi Guest71737
[22:08] <AlanBell> try /nick yourname
[22:09] <AlanBell> oh, I see, you need to pick something more unique than "nick"
[22:16]  * popey chuckles at http://ubuntuone.com/p/HDf/
[22:17] <ali12341> does not work
[22:17] <popey> avi file plays in ff4 here
[22:18] <ali12341> trying to downlaod with wget, it renamed it to "index.html"
[22:18] <popey> linedance_nastop_20100918_00009_720x405.avi
[22:18] <ali12341> why does everything have to mangle urls?
[22:18] <popey> -o that
[22:18] <Azelphur> I've always wondered why wget doesn't manage to get the right file name half of the time
[22:18] <Azelphur> when web browsers do
[22:18] <ali12341> it's a gzip
[22:19] <popey> yeah, which the browser will unzip on the fly
[22:19] <ali12341> gunzip index.html :/
[22:19] <popey> heh
[22:20] <ali12341> this is somewhat less amusing than i expected it would be
[22:20] <popey> heh
[22:20] <popey> sorry :)
[22:20] <popey> must try harder
[22:26] <ali12341> i'm using an ordered approach: http://ubuntuone.com/p/aah/
[22:26] <popey> heh
[22:26] <popey> I'm using pwgen -nc -0 3 1
[22:28] <AlanBell> you could set up a script to post them to twitpic
[22:28] <ali12341> adjacent codes often seem to belong to same person
[22:28] <ali12341> guess they are handed out sequentially
[22:28] <popey> they are
[22:28] <popey> i have currently got ~66GB of it
[22:28] <popey> 385 mp3's
[22:28] <ali12341> but why
[22:28] <popey> fun
[22:28] <ali12341> i know a website where you can get lots of mp3s
[22:28] <popey> heh, I dont necessarily want them
[22:28] <popey> just interested to see what people are sharing
[22:28] <ali12341> why pwgen?
[22:28] <popey> easy way to generate a 3 digit random
[22:28] <ali12341> ok
[22:28] <ali12341> it seems like the "gaps" must be files that were shared then deleted
[22:28] <popey> yeah
[22:28] <ali12341> so i can just share a file then work backwards from the UUID i get :)
[22:28] <popey> heh
[22:28] <ali12341> i mean UID
[22:28] <ali12341> damn this guy sure likes metal detectors
[22:28] <popey> nFt
[22:28] <popey> is the latest I got
[22:30] <Azelphur> Hmm, I read some interesting stuff on xda-developers about microsd o.O
[22:31] <ali12341> don't believe anything you read on xda-developers
[22:31] <Azelphur> apparently lower classes are better for phones, the higher class microsds suck at random i/o and have high sequential
[22:31] <Azelphur> yea it did sound a bit dodgy xD
[22:31] <ali12341> looooooooooool
[22:31] <ali12341> seek time on flash media
[22:31] <ali12341> wat
[22:32] <Azelphur> ali12341: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12849512&postcount=12 :P
[22:34] <daftykins> i always get a client to upgrade his micro sd's to class 6 from the included 2's
[22:35] <daftykins> i'd benchmark both mine but i can't be bothered
[22:36] <hamitron> evening
[22:41] <AlanBell> !info python-sexy
[22:41] <AlanBell> !info python-sexy hardy
[22:41] <AlanBell> where did that go?
[22:41] <hamitron> ubuntu gone unsexy
[22:41] <hamitron> ;/
[22:41] <HazRPG> Do many of you here listen/download stuff from Jamendo?
[22:41] <AlanBell> or how else do I get links to turn up in a pango string
[22:46] <dutchie> HazRPG: if i hear good stuff on music podcasts from there i will download it
[22:46] <HazRPG> AlanBell: Hmm, I'm not sure... but if its python related, I'm sure the boys & girls at  #python might be able to help
[22:46] <AlanBell> more of a gtk thing really
[22:46] <ali12341> i think i have a jamendo gift card somewhere
[22:46] <dutchie> AlanBell: did it turn into a gir type thing?
[22:46] <AlanBell> libsexy2 is still there in the repos, but the python bindings are gone
[22:47] <HazRPG> ali12341: Really? Is that to donate some £££ to the artists? Cos I'm pretty sure Jamendo is free otherwise
[22:49] <HazRPG> dutchie: cool, I'd recommend these guys: http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/26853
[22:49] <HazRPG> dutchie: Take One Down is my fav song from that album
[22:49] <ali12341> ska is one of the few kinds of music i cannot stand
[22:50] <ali12341> the others are ye olde folk music
[22:51] <ali12341> actually that's about it
[22:51] <hamitron> AlanBell: is sexy-python updated?
[22:54] <HazRPG> dutchie: or even "Helldorados", they're pretty good too
[22:54] <hamitron> AlanBell: in lucid
[22:54] <ali12341> ah the gift card was from magnatune not jamendo
[22:55] <AlanBell> well no, the python package name would be swapped round so it is python-sexy not sexy-python
[22:55] <AlanBell> it used to be in by default as compiz needed it apparently
[22:55] <AlanBell> there are amusing bugs about updates to it being blocked by filters
[22:55] <hamitron> haha
[22:56] <hamitron> why oh why?!?!
[22:56] <hamitron> damn filtering :/
[22:56] <AlanBell> along with this one . . .
[22:56] <AlanBell> !info liboobs-1-5
[22:57] <hamitron> could ban all sorts :/
[22:58] <AlanBell> yeah, it was great diagnosing someone who could not update because python-sexy.deb was a 404 error for them
[22:59] <AlanBell> right, well I can make a link in a gtklabel, but not in a gtkcellrenderertext
[23:00] <ali12341> please do the sane thing and use Qt
[23:00] <hamitron> what does unity use?
[23:00] <ali12341> it depends which version you use
[23:01]  * hamitron headbutts his desk
[23:01] <Azelphur> ali12341: isn't qt in a bit of murky waters atm?
[23:01] <hamitron> why?
[23:01] <Azelphur> because microsoft just embrace and destroyed nokia?
[23:02] <brobostigon> good night everyone, sleep well.
[23:02] <hamitron> released under lgpl init?
[23:02] <Azelphur> true, but without commercial backing it might go sideways
[23:02] <Azelphur> it's at it's sink or swim point XD
[23:02] <AlanBell> and it always has been
[23:03] <ali12341> Azelphur: yeah but Qt is relatively insulated from that, even though nokia own it
[23:03]  * AlanBell pushes the bits that work to launchpad
[23:03] <Azelphur> I see
[23:04] <AlanBell> if anyone wants to get the links linkified, or rewrite the thing in Qt then it is at http://launchpad.net/circleoffriends
[23:04] <ali12341> what does it do?
[23:04] <hamitron> I guess Qt is not like something like an OS for devices.... the OS for devices needs the devices, where as Qt needs comps....
[23:04] <ali12341> ok you lost me at microblogging
[23:04] <AlanBell> simple twitter client using the streaming api
[23:04] <ali12341> "do not want"
[23:04] <ali12341> is it python?
[23:04] <AlanBell> yes
[23:05] <ali12341> does it use all annoying stuff like indicators and dbus?
[23:05] <AlanBell> not really unless quickly is doing some of that for me
[23:05] <ali12341> wait is this the thing you did a video of where it updates faster than it can redraw the screen?
[23:05] <AlanBell> it does store some preferences in desktop couch
[23:05] <AlanBell> yes
[23:05] <ali12341> eeeeewwwwwwwwwwww
[23:06] <ali12341> hmm well i guess i will look at it
[23:06] <ali12341> but i wouldn't go near desktop couch
[23:06] <AlanBell> but now it tweets and follows your own user stream rather than the utterly insane sample stream
[23:06] <AlanBell> it only stores 4 strings in desktopcouch
[23:07] <AlanBell> and it probably shouldn't
[23:07] <ali12341> how do i check it out?
[23:07] <AlanBell> they should go in the gnome keyring or something
[23:07] <AlanBell> bzr branch lp:circleoffriends
[23:13] <ali12341> # Do not touch unless you know what you're doing.
[23:14] <AlanBell> yeah, there is a lot of crufty jonocode in there
[23:14] <AlanBell> that is part of quickly not me
[23:14] <ali12341> is that some quickly nonsense?
[23:14] <ali12341> i know what i'm doing and i still don't want to touch this
[23:14] <AlanBell> yeah
[23:15] <ali12341> i don't even understand what this code is supposed to be
[23:15] <AlanBell> that is why I am not too horrified at the prospect of starting again in Qt
[23:15]  * hamitron hates working on others code
[23:15] <AlanBell> took me ages to work out how to store a preference the quickly way
[23:15] <popey> did jono start quickly?
[23:15] <AlanBell> yes
[23:16] <ali12341> i mean it says it's a the configuration file, but it doesn't contain any configuration, it looks suspeciously like code to me...
[23:17] <ali12341> so KEY/SECRET is the stuff in desktop couch...
[23:18] <AlanBell> popey: I might be wrong
[23:18] <popey> I thought rick did
[23:18] <dutchie> bzr branch lp:quickly && bzr blame
[23:18] <AlanBell> rick/didrocks
[23:18] <dutchie> etc
[23:20] <AlanBell> ali12341: yeah, key and secret bit of the oauth conversation end up in desktopcouch
[23:20] <AlanBell> the preferences thing is either rubbish, or I didn't understand it properly
[23:21] <AlanBell> the application key and secret are also a preference, so if Twitter feel like revoking them then users can just go register a new app and change the keys
[23:22] <popey> display seems messed up
[23:22] <popey> its showing the wrong tweets for the wrong person
[23:22] <ali12341> AlanBell: did you mean to leave in default values for consumer key/secret?
[23:22] <AlanBell> ali12341: um, no
[23:23] <AlanBell> sorry, yes
[23:23] <AlanBell> silly terminology
[23:23] <AlanBell> the consumer key/secret belong to the app
[23:23] <AlanBell> the access key/secret belong to the user
[23:23] <ali12341> wow i just got the past 10 minutes of messages in a huge burst :/
[23:25] <AlanBell> popey: is that from a recent update or from having it running for ages?
[23:26] <popey> only just started running it
[23:26] <popey> bug 765035
[23:26] <popey> bug  764035
[23:26] <popey> ahh, markup error
[23:27] <AlanBell> ah ok, can I have the error message and tweet content that tripped it up
[23:27] <popey> done
[23:27] <ali12341> who can;t spell initialization?
[23:27] <popey> its in the bug report
[23:27] <AlanBell> gah, apostrophe
[23:27] <ali12341> # your inialization code in finish_intializing
[23:28] <AlanBell> ali12341: someone who isn't me
[23:28] <ali12341> Put your initilization code in here
[23:28] <AlanBell> ubuntu-bug quickly
[23:28] <ali12341> finish_initalizing should be called
[23:32] <ali12341> why does it have a file menu?
[23:32] <AlanBell> dunno, it is there by default
[23:33] <ali12341> hmm
[23:36] <ali12341> who can i follow on twitter who tweets a lot of urls?
[23:36] <popey> @boycottnovell
[23:36] <popey> :)
[23:37] <ali12341> no
[23:37] <popey> @PlanBstudio
[23:37] <ali12341> i need someone who tweets a url every minute
[23:37] <popey> he's tweeting a lot of instagrams at the moment
[23:37] <popey> oh, a spammer
[23:37] <ali12341> yeah basically
[23:38] <popey> http://twitter.com/#!/ubuntubugs
[23:38] <ali12341> perfect
[23:39] <ali12341> and completely useless.. who could possibly follow that?
[23:39] <ali12341> actually that's somewhat less than i expected
[23:41] <popey> http://twitter.com/#!/scobleizer
[23:41] <popey> he tweets fast enough I suspect
[23:42] <ali12341> AlanBell: do you have a testing strategy?
[23:43] <ali12341> other than "wait for someone to tweet something"
[23:43] <AlanBell> point it at the sample stream
[23:43] <ali12341> what do i need to change?
[23:43] <AlanBell> or set up a testing user
[23:43] <AlanBell> hang on, I will see if I can do it on mine
[23:45] <ali12341> ok i think i got it
[23:46] <popey> @bbcnews is quite active
[23:46] <ali12341> is the user stream get or post?
[23:47] <AlanBell> get I think
[23:47] <AlanBell> ok, to point it at the sample stream comment out the userstream bits around line 290 and put
[23:47] <AlanBell>         stream=UserStream(self.auth,listener,timeout=None, secure=True)
[23:47] <AlanBell> stream.sample()
[23:48] <AlanBell> sorry
[23:48] <AlanBell>         stream=Stream(self.auth,listener,timeout=None)
[23:48] <ali12341> yeah i got it... got connection refused though
[23:48] <AlanBell> did you remove the secure=True bit?
[23:48] <AlanBell> because the sample stream isn't https
[23:48] <ali12341> ah no, that will be it
[23:49] <ali12341> there is goes
[23:49] <ali12341> does the list just keep growing forever?
[23:49] <AlanBell> until it crashes, yes
[23:50] <ali12341> natch
[23:50] <ali12341> fwiw i would have used a html area instead of a listview, and done it with the DOM
[23:50] <AlanBell> that would work too
[23:51] <AlanBell> I thought it would be fun to get threaded stuff working with the treeview
[23:51] <ali12341> perhaps
[23:51] <Pendulum> hiya
[23:51] <ali12341> but then how would you find relies in the hueg list?
[23:51] <AlanBell> Pendulum \o/
[23:52] <AlanBell> well I was thinking threaded on the replies tab
[23:52] <ali12341> besides you can still insert anywhere you like in the DOM
[23:52] <ali12341> and it's probably easier than gtk wrangling
[23:52] <ali12341> oh it crashed
[23:52] <ali12341> GError: GIF image was truncated or incomplete.
[23:52] <ali12341> uncaught exception
[23:53] <ali12341> another benefit of using html is you don't have to deal with fetching all this stuff manually
[23:54] <AlanBell> you might want to comment out the notification stuff around line 226 if following the sample stream
[23:54] <ali12341> i don't use notifications
[23:54] <ali12341> so i presume it's all going to /dev/null
[23:54] <AlanBell> yeah, I understand the benefits of using html, but gwibber does it so badly I wanted to try the clean gtk way
[23:55] <ali12341> either way i'm not seeing it
[23:55] <ali12341> heh, clean gtk...
[23:55] <AlanBell> should be more accessible to orca as well as a gtk widget
[23:58] <AlanBell> and I managed to beat the treeview into shape with the scrolling
[23:59] <ali12341> yeah...
[23:59] <AlanBell> so if you are at the top you see a moving stream of stuff, if you scroll down it stays where you are
[23:59] <ali12341> i was just reading that bit
[23:59] <ali12341> why does twitter scroll backwards btw?