[01:48] <thafreak> canthus13: I think the lice VD is commonly referred to as crabs...
[01:56] <canthus13> thafreak: :D
[02:11] <BiosElement> Hmm, is this 'too' gaudy? http://bioselement.com/ >.>
[02:11] <BiosElement> I think it's at least better then the default
[02:12] <Unit193> Better then default
[02:14] <BiosElement> hah,
[02:46] <canthus13> BiosElement: Gaudy? Nah... pretentious, though.
[02:46] <BiosElement> hah
[02:47] <canthus13> bah. I totally mangled that spelling.
[02:50] <BiosElement> canthus13: Nice going. Decided to leave it default, design my own in time heh
[02:50] <canthus13> Heh.
[02:50] <BiosElement> Though, I'm impressed with www.elegantthemes.com >.<
[02:50] <BiosElement> Decent price for some good themes heh
[02:51] <BiosElement> More fun to design my own though, Once I get the friggen typography down
[02:51]  * canthus13 is happy with Piano Black. :)
[02:52] <BiosElement> Hah
[02:52] <Unit193> +1 canthus13
[03:22] <BiosElement> Yay, www.bioselement.com header fixed, now I just need to finish up the background and I'll be content for now
[03:28] <Unit193> BiosElement: Don't tell him, but I was PMing q66 and he told me his side of the story, would you mind if at some point I got yours?
[04:04] <BiosElement> Unit193: Ahh, if you like. The latest post on the site pretty much sums it though.
[04:06] <BiosElement> Unit193: http://cubecreate.com/2011/future-of-cubecreate/
[04:08] <Unit193> BiosElement: This I did see...
[04:10] <BiosElement> Unit193: Well if you have any questions, feel free to pm me or ask them here, but really I think it's just a matter of different goals and different values, too different to work.
[18:01] <dmcglone> Unit193: you here?
[18:01] <Unit193> dmcglone: Yeah
[18:01] <dmcglone> I've been playing with Drupal :-)
[18:01] <dmcglone> I'm liking it better so far :-)
[18:02] <Unit193> Theme install didn't sound so great...
[18:02]  * Unit193 read up #cubecreate 
[18:02] <dmcglone> all I had to do was copy the theme to the themes dir. Only reason I couldn't install is because I don't have an ftp server configured :-/
[18:04] <Unit193> Eh, Joomla is manageable...
[18:04] <Unit193> I still may try Drupal
[18:04] <dmcglone> you should try both to see how much different they are
[18:05] <dmcglone> drupal is so much easier to manage IMHO
[18:05] <dmcglone> lot more documentation from the community
[18:05]  * Unit193 needs to find a nice theme for it...
[18:05] <Unit193> Like my Joomla one...
[18:06] <dmcglone> I was able to achieve a theme that I was trying to get with drupal just this morning, but with joomla it took me at least 4 days and I still didnt accomplish it :-/
[18:06] <Unit193> Theme was real easy with Joomla
[18:07] <Unit193> All I had to do was goto  Install theme and upload the zip
[18:07] <dmcglone> look here http://174.101.53.3/drupal
[18:08] <Unit193> Not bad, but not my type :/
[18:08] <dmcglone> Not mine either. I'm thinking of clients :-)
[18:09] <Unit193> I don't have to think of clients :D
[18:09] <dmcglone> eventually in the future, I'm going to try and not write code, but instead just customize a CMS
[18:09] <dmcglone> 100% faster
[18:11] <dmcglone> also in drupal, when in administration mode, you directly edit the page without having to use a backend, that way you can see your changes on the fly without having to have an extra site open
[18:12] <dmcglone> I'm sold on Drupal :-)
[18:16] <Unit193> http://drupal.org/project/blackpiano <--- might work
[18:18] <Unit193> canthus13: Drupal theme http://design-meets-code.de/blackpiano/
[18:20] <Unit193> dmcglone: If you happen upon a theme that looks like my Joomla them, let me know?
[18:21] <canthus13> Unit193: Cool.
[18:24] <Unit193> dmcglone: What web server do you use?
[18:45] <dmcglone> I'm using apache
[18:46] <dmcglone> Thats a nice clean theme
[18:52] <Unit193> It's also the theme we use for Wordpress
[18:54] <Unit193> I just like the other theme better...
[18:59] <dmcglone> port it :-)
[19:12] <Unit193> Hmmmm, do you know how to link to another section of the site in the Main Menu? (site.com/wordpress without using site.com)
[19:13] <dmcglone> in joomla?
[19:14] <Unit193> Na, that was normal link style
[19:14] <Unit193> Drupal wont take /wordpress or wordpress/
[19:15] <dmcglone> If you want to remove *site.com* then you have to put wordpress in the root of the server
[19:15] <Unit193> It's at site.com/wordpress
[19:16] <dmcglone> right, because wordpress isn't in the root, but if it was in the root then *site.com* would do the trick
[19:16] <dmcglone> you can't have a sub-domain without the domain :-/
[19:17] <Unit193> That may be the drupal killer right there...
[19:17] <dmcglone> it's that way everywhere, even on the WWW
[19:17] <Unit193> No, I can link to /wordpress in normal html and Joomla
[19:18] <dmcglone> oh you want to link to is, I thought you wanted to make it the *root* of the site
[19:19] <dmcglone> create a link http://site.com/wordpress (or whatever the folder name is that wordpress is in)
[19:20] <Unit193> Yes, I'm looking to link to that without using http://site.com (so I can use it internally)
[19:21] <dmcglone> if it's in a different folder on your server, you have to use http://.....
[19:21] <Unit193> Joomla it is then...
[19:22] <dmcglone> is wordpress in your drupal folder?
[19:22] <Unit193> No, I have /joomla /wordpress and /drupal
[19:23] <dmcglone> thats why the links will not work.
[19:23] <dmcglone> if you put /wordpress inside /drupal then a link /wordpress would work
[19:24] <Unit193> The link works in Joomla... I don't really want to put wordpress in drupal just so I can get drupal to see it
[19:25] <Unit193> Drupal is being dumb, this may fix it: http://www.widgetsandburritos.com/technical/programming/drupal-6-menu-relative-paths/
[19:28] <dmcglone> that might work, or have you tried using ../<file>
[19:30] <Unit193> Sweet idea, but no go...
[19:30] <Unit193> That also didn't work in Drupal 7
[19:36] <dmcglone> dang
[19:56] <Unit193> dmcglone: I think I'm going to have to dump Drupal
[20:01] <BiosElement> Unit193: /whatever should work fine if it was at the root, but otherwise that's how the web works.
[20:02] <Unit193> BiosElement: I know you know more about this then I do, but /wordpress should work even if I'm in /drupal
[20:03] <Unit193> That's why when I'm in /joomla that link still works...
[20:03] <BiosElement> Unit193: Pretty sure it shouldn't. I suspect Joomla rewrites the URL. Drupal has modules to do that, but really is it that big a deal? Just write the URL. >.>
[20:04] <Unit193> Also works in hand coded html. I need the site to work with the internal address and external (different ports)
[20:06] <BiosElement> ./wordpress should make it relative to the root as in example.com/wordpress, wordpress/ will make it relative so if you're in drupal/ it'd go to drupal/wordpress/ (I 'may' have mixed them up but it should work.)
[20:07] <dmcglone> Correct BiosElement :-)
[20:07] <BiosElement> Yay. Sometimes I get it backwords dmcglone >.< Too many hours staring at bloody urls
[20:08] <Unit193>  /wordpress ./wordpress ../wordpress ../../wordpress ../../../wordpress all failed (and so did wordpress wordpress/ just for the heck of it)
[20:10] <dmcglone> Unit like BiosElement said joomla is rewriting the URL to http://site.com/<folder>
[20:11] <dmcglone> really there's not difference between /folder and http://site.com/folder.... The latter is better and safer anyway
[20:11] <BiosElement> dmcglone: +1
[20:12] <Unit193> dmcglone: No it's not, I checked using my dyndns address (router redirects the external port to 80)
[20:12] <BiosElement> Unit193: Not sure what that has to do with anything. >.>
[20:12] <dmcglone> Unit it's using mod_rewrite You can't see it in the URL
[20:12] <BiosElement> Open up your drupal settings.php
[20:13] <BiosElement> Look for drupal's base url setting, make sure it has the subfolder in it, as I recall that should fix it.
[20:13] <dmcglone> mod_rewrite rewrites URL's on the fly
[20:14] <BiosElement> Also Unit193, the Pathalogic module also rewrites URL's akin to Joomla: http://drupal.org/project/pathologic
[20:15] <dmcglone> excellent example BiosElement
[20:15] <BiosElement> Heh, Drupal makes things easier. I actually would be driven nuts if Joomla decided to rewrite my beautiful URL's >.>
[20:16] <dmcglone> BiosElement: check this out: http://174.101.53.3/drupal
[20:17] <BiosElement> Hah, Nice
[20:17] <Unit193> So if that is true, mod_rewrite would have to be enabled?
[20:17] <dmcglone> I hacked up a javascript enabled template
[20:18] <BiosElement> If you have clean URL's, mod_rewrite is already enabled
[20:18] <dmcglone> Unit193: mod_rewrite can work on the web server without having to enable
[20:18] <Unit193> As in the httpd.conf?
[20:18] <dmcglone> all depends on how you got your apache set
[20:19] <dmcglone> I use webmin to admin my server, so I can't remember where it's at
[20:19]  * Unit193 doesn't like CMS...
[20:20] <dmcglone> are you referring to webmin?
[20:20] <Unit193> No, Joomla+Drupal...
[20:21] <dmcglone> Oh. any particular reason?
[20:21] <Unit193> +wordpress
[20:22] <BiosElement> You hate them now, but next time you search for docs on the wiki, you're loving them :P
[20:22] <Unit193> All this crap... and wordpress works with the internal IP, but not the external ip:port...
[20:22] <dmcglone> wordpress is a CMS also, just not on a scale as Drupal or Joomla :-p
[20:23] <Unit193> BiosElement: I'll like them only if I don't have to configure them...
[20:23] <dmcglone> That'll never happen anywhere :-/
[20:23] <Unit193> And you can comment out mod_rewrite and it doesn't disable it
[20:23] <dmcglone> they can't read your mind
[20:24] <dmcglone> did you restart apache?
[20:24] <Unit193> dmcglone: I'll go back to using html
[20:24] <BiosElement> Unit193: If you don't want to learn how to use them, then really you probably shouldn't be setting them up. >.< There is no such thing as a fire and forget CMS, you'll have to learn something with every new thing.
[20:25] <Unit193> BiosElement: I was planning on learning them and keeping them up... just don't think I get it at all
[20:25] <dmcglone> Unit193: This is probably my 5th attempt working with Joomla and Drupal
[20:26] <dmcglone> the more I play around with it, the more I see how things work :-)
[20:26] <Unit193> I just don't get how wordpress can work on internal but not external (when Joomla and Drupal do...)
[20:27] <dmcglone> I understand what you mean by "external"
[20:28] <Unit193> Internal = 192.168.1.128 -- External = 24.125.65.86:port
[20:30] <dmcglone> then how does that make Joomla and Drupal the culprit when they are doing what they are intended to do
[20:31] <Unit193> It doesn't, wordpress fails here...
[20:31] <Unit193> s/wordpress/me
[20:33] <dmcglone> You got me lost :-/
[20:34] <Unit193> Issue 1. I didn't get Drupal to link to wordpress -- Issue 2. Wordpress can only be reached by internal IP (where Drupal and Joomla work with both)
[20:34] <BiosElement> Welp, enjoy your static html pages. :)
[20:35] <Unit193> BiosElement: Looks like I fail with everything else ;?
[20:36] <dmcglone> I showed you how to link Joomla to Drupal, it works the same way with wordpress
[20:38] <dmcglone> let me install WP and see if I am able to use my IP to connect to it
[20:38] <Unit193> Na, don't bother...
[20:38] <BiosElement> It's a misconfigured site root in the settings
[20:38] <BiosElement> That's pretty much the only thing it can be
[20:38] <dmcglone> thats what I'm thinking
[20:40] <Unit193> Not that I don't think so; How exactly does that allow it to work on local network?
[20:43] <dmcglone> I'm looking into it now :-)
[20:44] <Unit193> dmcglone: Don't bother, it's just me
[20:46] <dmcglone> I got it, it works here :-)
[20:47] <dmcglone> how do I get the blogroll to display on the index page?
[20:48] <Unit193> I would tell you, but I can't seem to access it at all...
[20:50] <dmcglone> check this out: http://174.101.53.3/wordpress You will notice I added a menu item "joomla"
[20:52] <dmcglone> and it's a default install, so I suspect there's something going haywire with your server config
[20:52] <dmcglone> is your server port open?
[20:53] <Unit193> Yeah, as I said, Drupal and joomla both work on the same server...
[20:53]  * Unit193 just fails hard...
[20:54] <dmcglone> Ok when you create the link in wordpress, are you using the IP or a domain name from dyndns or somewhere?
[21:05] <Unit193> I made the link to joomla as /joomla
[21:06] <Unit193> (Working link)
[21:10] <dmcglone> it's progress :-)
[21:45] <dmcglone> BiosElement: do you remember anything about creating pages in drupal?
[21:46] <BiosElement> Yes,
[21:47] <BiosElement> Ask away ^_^
[21:47] <dmcglone> how come when I create a page, I can't add images, it'll only add images if I create an article
[21:54] <dmcglone> I'm gonna go eat
[21:57] <BiosElement> dmcglone: It's CCK field related
[21:57] <BiosElement> You need to edit the page node type and add an image field
[22:07] <dmcglone> k I'll try that
[22:11] <dmcglone> Hmmm I can't find a way to edit the page node type :-/
[22:11] <BiosElement> It's in structure
[22:12] <BiosElement> You'll also need to make sure the cck module is enabled, I forget exactly what it's called
[22:12] <BiosElement> It's default tho
[22:16] <dmcglone> Got it :-)
[23:11] <dmcglone> Drupal is dang confusing now
[23:12] <dmcglone> why do they have to make it so hard to create a page and stick content on it?
[23:18] <BiosElement> dmcglone: It isn't, they make it so darn simple to have a custom CMS. If all you want are pages and pictures, go with wordpress
[23:55] <dmcglone> hehehe wordpress????
[23:55] <dmcglone> ;-)
[23:56] <BiosElement> What about it? >.<
[23:59] <dmcglone> my problem is I can't get more than 1 image on a page. thats what is frustrating me