[09:14] <Kilos> cremora
[09:15]  * nlsthzn waves
[16:36] <plustwo> hi all.
[16:36] <superfly> hi plustwo
[16:36] <plustwo> :-) hi superfly 
[16:37] <plustwo> question: ?
[16:37] <superfly> answer: .
[16:37] <plustwo> what's the difference using qtcreator & kdevelop?
[16:37] <plustwo> lol
[16:38] <superfly> everything. nothing.
[16:38]  * plustwo haven't used kdevelop.
[16:38] <plustwo> so i ca stick to qtcreator 
[16:39] <plustwo> s/ca/can
[16:39] <superfly> i guess
[16:40]  * plustwo has been comfortable on qtcreator than other stuff in relation
[16:40] <plustwo> superfly, tnx
[16:42] <plustwo> superfly, thing is i'd like to assist in fixing bugs on ubuntu, and would like to develop an app from scratch and maintain it till maturity
[16:42] <plustwo> any pointer's?
[16:42] <superfly> google
[16:43] <plustwo> i do google. i also followed dholbach's post on fixing bugs
[16:43] <plustwo> i guess i should also ask more questions here!
[16:44] <plustwo> i'll work on it. i know i won't archive the goals or the art  in one day. it takes time & courage from what i read
[16:44] <plustwo> :-) tnx again. u r always helpful!
[16:45] <superfly> archive?
[16:46] <plustwo> i meant "practice makes perfect".
[16:46] <superfly> Maaz: gdefine archive
[16:46] <Maaz> superfly: put into an archive :: a depository containing historical records and documents :: An archive is a collection of historical records, as well as the place they are located. Archives contain primary source documents that have accumulated over the course of an individual or organization's lifetime. :: Archive are a musical group based in London, England, whose music spans electronica, trip hop, trip rock, post, avant-garde and progre
[16:48] <plustwo> it'll take some time for one to accumulate the skills to diagnose a fault/problem
[16:49] <superfly> Maaz: gdefine achieve
[16:49] <Maaz> superfly: to gain with effort; "she achieved her goal despite setbacks" :: To carry on to a final close; to bring out into a perfected state; to accomplish; to perform; -- as, to achieve a feat, an exploit, an enterprise; To obtain, or gain, as the result of exertion; to succeed in gaining; to win;  To obtain with a material thing as the aim;  To finish; to kill. ... :: achievement - accomplishment: the action of accomplishing something :: 
[16:50] <superfly> hi nuvolari_
[16:50] <superfly> *nlsthzn-work
[16:51] <superfly> hahahaha
[16:51] <nlsthzn-work> superfly: hey :)
[16:57] <superfly> plustwo: would you like some real advice?
[16:58] <plustwo> superfly, yes please!
[17:00] <superfly> plustwo: find a project you like, an application you use on a regular basis (like at least once a week) and get involved with that... 1. go and hang out in their IRC channel and get to know the developers, 2. go and checkout their source code and read it,  3. read their bug tracker and follow how they fix their bugs, 4. when you're comfortable with the code, find a small, simple bug, fix it, and submit a patch to the developers
[17:01] <superfly> do it in that order
[17:01] <plustwo> thank you superfly 
[17:02] <superfly> writing an application of your own is (a) a major endeavour, and (b) almost always not necessary
[17:03] <superfly> oh, and (c) if you don't like current apps, and think you can write a better one, dump that idea and go and help another project... there are FAR too many half-baked abandoned projects out there
[17:03] <plustwo> noted. & thanks again.
[17:49] <plustwo> superfly, what if the app/project doe not have an IRC channel? e.g brasero or testdisk
[17:49] <superfly> plustwo: subscribe to their mailing list(s)
[17:49] <plustwo> ok
[23:01] <tumbleweed> fp
[23:02]  * nlsthzn-work looks up blurrily... doesn't understand and continues to lurk...
[23:02] <tumbleweed> Maaz: fp
[23:03] <Maaz> tumbleweed: fp is First Post
[23:03] <tumbleweed> nlsthzn-work: ^ first post after midnight
[23:03] <tumbleweed> we have fights for them in some channels
[23:03] <tumbleweed> but tonight seems rather quiet
[23:03] <nlsthzn-work> doh!... well now I know... been here the whole time ^^
[23:06] <Symmetria> hrm
[23:06] <Symmetria> anyone here know rrdtool well?
[23:07]  * nlsthzn-work only knows about rrod and how to avoid his x-box from suffering from it :p