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jussihrm, how is the performance of kmail with imap now? or should I just go with dimap and be done with it....?07:24
bambeemorning07:33
Tm_Tjussi: both should work relatively well, although I've been using dimap mostly07:42
jussiTm_T: could you try reproduce a crash bug in contact natty for me? 08:03
Tm_TI don't have natty yet, sorry08:03
jussioh (:08:04
Tm_Tbut I have maverick and trunk KDE (;08:04
jussiwell, you could try right click on the column header for where the folders are, and try to switch it from automatic sorting to manual sorting (drag and drop)08:06
steveireI'm interested in kontact 4.4 crashes/bugs/annoying dialogs still if you have them08:12
jussisteveire: backtrace: http://paste.ubuntu.com/595413/08:40
jussibtw, does anyone know the form of login name for b.k.o?  is it email address? 08:40
jussioh, nvm, I found it (its email address)08:41
steveirejussi: Could you make a bug for that if there isn't one?08:41
steveireRight, thanks08:41
jussisteveire: kdebug 235467 may be it, but Im not sure how to check if it really is? 08:44
jussihttps://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20530908:44
ubottuKDE bug 205309 in general "KMail segfaults during certain IMAP operations (KMMsgBase::storage, KMail::ImapJob::slotGetMessageResult)" [Crash,Unconfirmed]08:44
jussisteveire: how do I check if its a dupe of that? 08:44
steveireSearch for imapjob and KMMsgBase::storage()08:52
jussihas imapjob, but not KMMsgBase::storage()08:54
afiestassteveire: are you going to uds?08:55
jussihttps://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27119908:58
ubottuKDE bug 271199 in general "Kmail/Kontact crashed on changging an imap setting" [Crash,Unconfirmed]08:58
steveirejussi Looks like a dupe alright08:59
steveireafiestas: That's in May, right? No can do09:00
jussioh well. Im sure you will mark it as so :)09:00
steveireDone. And you get that at random times?09:03
jussisteveire: yeah, i cant seem to reproduce it currently - only started using kmail/kontact today09:17
steveireAre you coming from another client or from a web client?09:29
afiestassteveire: :(09:29
valorieanybody around who knows anything about kcm?09:43
valorieeven a packagename?09:43
valorie[01:09] <BajK> why is that Notifications for System helper untranslated on Kubuntu? It says "Show notifications for: Appölication crashes, Upgrade information, Restricted codec availability, Required reboots" -- it's all untranslated -.-09:46
Tm_Tvalorie: "systemsettings" ?09:46
valorieI asked him to file a bug, but09:46
valorieyou think that's it?09:46
valorie!info systemsettings09:46
ubottusystemsettings (source: kdebase-workspace): KDE 4 System Settings. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu8 (maverick), package size 291 kB, installed size 1444 kB09:46
Tm_Tit could be what you're looking for09:47
BajKlol but why did they patch the systemsettings module itself instead of adding a kcm module for that ?09:49
jussivalorie: being sexist goes both ways. ;)09:49
valoriewe're all just humans here, right?09:50
valorieI mean, I wasn't implying that men aren't efficient and know their stuff09:51
valorie:-)09:51
tsimpsonhuman, or at least very convincing AIs09:51
valoriehaha09:51
valorieBajK: why didn't you ask HERE?09:51
valorielol09:51
BajKeh :D09:52
BajKusual human habit *g*09:52
valoriesucks that you didn't see it a week ago09:52
BajKstring freeze?09:52
valorieDarkwingDuck finished with the docs a few days ago09:53
valorieetc.09:53
valoriethere have been a series of freezes, but I'm not up on where we are09:53
BajKI think it was alreayd09:53
BajKin maverick09:53
BajKlucid09:53
valoriein any case, it should be fixed09:54
valorielate is better than never09:54
BajKat least now they dont have this "You have 25 Sicherheitsaktualisierungen" :D09:54
valorieha09:54
bambeedebfx: personnally I do not understand why polkit does not raise an exception in this case... :\09:55
BajKpolkit is rather broken anyway^^09:55
bambee(automatically I mean)09:55
bambeeor the agent could display "you entered a wrong/empty password"...10:04
bambeeimho10:04
bambee(I don't know if an agent can be informed about that in polkit...)10:05
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afiestasRiddell: piiiing11:31
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jussiapachelogger: feel like updating this fro FF4? 12:48
jussihttps://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/oxygen/12:48
ulyssesjussi: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/?content=11796212:49
jussiulysses: oooh! thanks!12:50
jussiand it works nice :D12:53
c2tarunRiddell: ping12:57
jussihrm, anyone know how to not get the 3g setup on _every_ login? Dont want to set it up, and dont have a sim card currently... http://dl.dropbox.com/u/213546/mobile-nag.png13:17
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kubu2kaffeine seems outdated? is it bec it's not def video player?14:08
Tm_Tkubu2: outdated?14:09
kubu2I believe it's now 1.2.2 but repo is 1.1?14:10
kubu2Tm_T: so what do you think?14:16
kubu2and that's natty repo btw14:17
yofeltrue, but too late now to update it for natty14:17
yofelunless it's only bugfixes, which doesn't seem to be the case14:18
Tm_Tit should go to https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports14:19
kubu2yofel: - other fixes and improvements ...14:20
Tm_Tkubu2: yes, but it's not _only_ bugfix release14:21
yofelbugfix *only* - it adds a few things too, and it's too late for any FFE now I think14:21
kubu2yofel: - fix gnome screen saver inhibition, Updated (2011-04-05): 1.2.1 fixes a DVB-S2 tuning regression.14:21
kubu2Tm_T: Updated (2011-04-17): 1.2.2 fixes a crash after removing channels.14:21
Tm_Tkubu2: yes, BUT14:21
yofelthat's not the issue, the problem is:14:22
yofel  - add search function to epg 14:22
yofel  - implement ATSC support for epg 14:22
Tm_T1.2.2 is basicly 1.2 and two quick additional fixes14:22
Tm_Tif we were in 1.2 already, 1.2.2 wouldn't be an issue14:22
Tm_Tbut as we're not, it is an issue14:22
Tm_T1.2 was released 4.4. which is just too late for Natty14:23
Tm_TIIRC14:23
yofelwell, if anyone would have remembered it an FFE might have been possible, as release freeze was on the 14th14:24
kubu2ok..14:25
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annmahi, excellent work on Kubuntu Natty17:16
annmaI am very impressed17:16
annmathanks everyone!17:18
shadeslayer:D17:24
DarkwingDuckthanks annma 17:32
c2tarunshadeslayer: ping17:37
c2tarunI was facing a problem with latest version of network-manager in repo, I thought that I should create a ppa and include the older version in it so that in case of crash I may get the older version, but on this page https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/0.8.4~git.20110319t175609.d14809b-0ubuntu2 I am not able to find any link by which I can share that version into my ppa. Can anyone please help?17:39
shadeslayerc2tarun: ong17:40
shadeslayerpong17:40
c2tarunshadeslayer: ^^17:40
shadeslayerc2tarun: dget the dsc file onto your machine17:40
c2tarunshadeslayer: hope you remember the prob I was facing with n-m17:40
shadeslayeryes17:40
c2tarunshadeslayer: ok, after I dget the file? I should simply upload?17:41
shadeslayerc2tarun: bump the changelog to 0.8.4~git.20110319t175609.d14809b-0ubuntu3~ppa1 and upload17:41
c2tarunshadeslayer: got it :) thanks17:42
c2tarunshadeslayer: sorry may be I did something wrong, but there is no debian folder in it? why so?17:47
shadeslayerwhat did you do?17:47
c2tarunshadeslayer: dget https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/network-manager_0.8.4%7Egit.20110319t175609.d14809b-0ubuntu2.dsc17:48
shadeslayerah17:48
shadeslayerc2tarun: dget -xu https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/network-manager_0.8.4%7Egit.20110319t175609.d14809b-0ubuntu2.dsc17:48
c2tarunohh....17:49
c2tarunshadeslayer: do I have to build the whole package again?17:53
shadeslayerc2tarun: you could do that or upload to the ppa and upgrade the debs17:54
shadeslayeryour choice17:54
shadeslayererm17:54
shadeslayers/upgrade/download 17:54
shadeslayerc2tarun: building locally would be better i guess17:55
c2tarunshadeslayer: yup, I am doing that :)17:55
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txwikingerhow comes that okular does not print landscape, but document viewer does18:43
afiestas_nobody replied to the bluedevil packaing email :/18:54
afiestas_is the update that difficult? (since we're close to release)18:54
c2tarunafiestas_: what kind of update are you talking about?19:16
c2tarunafiestas_: ping19:18
afiestas_c2tarun: all stable, bluedevil to 1.1 and libbluedevil to 1.9 (which is the same of 1.8.1 but with 2 new methods)19:20
afiestas_1 new method, indeed19:20
c2tarunafiestas_: can anyone do that? or someone with uploading rights?19:21
neversfeldearchive is frozen afaik, so this can only get in via sru19:26
afiestas_neversfelde: sru means update after the first installation?19:26
neversfeldeyes. stable release update19:27
afiestas_well, then as soon as we put it, the better I guess19:27
afiestas_the current snapshot has quite a few bugs19:28
afiestas_today I got a few updates, was the freeze today?19:28
apacheloggerjussi: firefox theming is not terribly sensible19:28
apacheloggersuper expensive effort19:28
neversfeldeafiestas_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdate19:29
neversfeldeafiestas_: as far as I know with the release of beta219:29
rbelemafiestas_, are there packages ready for use?19:51
rbelemhi ScottK19:52
rbelemScottK, did you have tive to take a look in the kubuntu-mobile-default-settings merge request?19:53
Mamarokis there an estimated time for the new flash plugin for 64 bit to hit the repos? I can't play anything flash anymore20:26
yofelMamarok: as adobe still hasn't released that yet I doubt, the prerelease works fine for me though20:37
neversfeldefor me too20:40
neversfeldemuch better than the offical release20:40
Mamarokyofel: thanks, will try that then20:42
yofelMamarok: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10_square.html20:42
Mamarokyofel: thanks, I found that already :)20:43
yofel:)20:43
debfxyofel: the problem is that pre-releases don't get security fixes20:44
Mamarokdebfx: that is told on the website, it's up to the user to update it20:45
yofelI almost never actually use flash, so I can live with that20:45
MamarokI only use it for Zattoo20:45
Mamarokand Chromium is going mad on CPU when using flash, so that is not an option20:50
Mamarokgreat, works fine with Firefox :)20:50
bambeeMamarok: use flashblock and active flash applets on demand :)20:51
Mamarokbambee: you don't understand: Zattoo only plays with flash, so it overheats my W50020:51
bambeeohh20:51
Mamarokof course I already have flashblock20:51
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sheytanHey21:17
sheytananybody here?21:17
sheytanapachelogger hey21:20
* yofel goes to make some tea21:21
yofelhi sheytan btw. ;P21:21
sheytanyofel hey21:21
sheytando yoy have access to the kubuntu site?21:21
sheytanyou*21:22
yofeliirc yes, why?21:23
sheytanyofel would you put a countdown banner i just made? :)21:26
yofelhm, talk to Riddell, I don't want to mess with the page that much21:27
sheytanyofel he's  not here right now. I have to go in few minutes. Could you please do that for me? I will send you the html file ;)21:28
debfxafiestas: is an update to libbludevil 1.9 really necessary with bluedevil 1.1?21:32
yofelactually no idea how to do that, he only taught me how to add posts21:34
debfxafiestas: which bugs does it fix?21:37
apacheloggerwhy the honey does kdiff3 recommend kdiff3-doc21:37
apacheloggerthat is like ubersilly21:37
debfxso you can read its uber-awesome manual21:39
apacheloggerI do not recall us installing docs as recommends :P21:40
apacheloggerinconsistency ahoy :P21:40
afiestasdebfx: libbluedevil or bluedevil?21:41
debfxafiestas: libbluedevil21:41
afiestasyes, it is necessary, thoguh we can make a 1.8.X release if you prefer it21:41
afiestassince 1.9 is basically a 1.8.X with a couple of new methods21:42
afiestasit offer a new method to avoid itnerface freezes21:42
afiestas1.9 is binary compatible with 1.8 so if needed we can create a minor release21:43
afiestasif that will make your life easier21:43
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debfxafiestas: I'll update the package to 1.9 and make it ScottK's responsibility to accept/reject the upload :P21:48
neversfeldehehe21:48
debfxafiestas: does bluedevil detect the libbluedevil version at build time?22:00
afiestasdebfx: nope22:02
Riddellevening22:04
debfxafiestas: does it load libbluedevil dynamically?22:05
afiestasdebfx: nope22:06
bambeegood night22:06
ScottKrbelem: I did not.  I don't have a lot of time this week, so getting someone else to review would be better.22:08
debfxhello Riddell22:08
debfxafiestas: oh, then how does it use the 1.9 api additions?22:08
afiestasdebfx: it is linked dynamically22:09
afiestas1.1 final doesn't compile with 1.8 iirc22:09
debfxit compiles fine with 1.8.122:11
afiestasmmmm it should not u.U22:12
afiestaslet me check22:12
afiestasregisterDeviceAsync is not in 1.822:13
afiestasor it should not 22:13
afiestasmaybe ereslibre backported it22:13
afiestasdebfx: https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/libs/libbluedevil/repository/revisions/stable/entry/bluedevil/bluedevildevice.cpp22:14
afiestasit is not22:14
debfxafiestas: bluedevil calls it via QMetaObject::invokeMethod()22:16
debfxI hope it checks the libbluedevil version somewhere22:16
afiestasit doesn't :/ we're crappy with cmake22:16
debfxotherwise that's dangerous22:16
afiestasu.U22:16
debfxthe check needs to be at runtime22:16
afiestasand as far as I've been told we forget to add the dependency in the README22:17
afiestassorry for that, we're making packagers live a hell :/22:17
afiestasand libbluedevil being uploaded as unstable (because it is no playground) doesn't help either22:17
afiestasScottK: do you have 1 min?22:19
ScottKafiestas: If it's quick.22:19
ScottKafiestas: Not quick enough. I need to go.22:21
rbelemScottK, oki22:27
rbelemRiddell, do you have some free time to take a look in the kubuntu-mobile-defaults-settings patch? :-)22:28
Riddellrbelem: tomorrow I will, what's in it?22:30
rbelemRiddell, the script to update the /etc/default/nodm and some minor changes22:32
rbelemRiddell, to update /etc/default/nodm after the oem-config22:35
afiestasScottK: aaah, sorry :/23:00
debfxRiddell, ScottK: bluedevil is in the queue and bug #753370 needs a sponsor23:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 753370 in mesa (Ubuntu) "No Desktop Effects in Kubuntu 11.04 Beta1" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75337023:47
afiestasdebfx: thank!23:50
afiestas*s23:50

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