[07:24] <jussi> hrm, how is the performance of kmail with imap now? or should I just go with dimap and be done with it....?
[07:33] <bambee> morning
[07:42] <Tm_T> jussi: both should work relatively well, although I've been using dimap mostly
[08:03] <jussi> Tm_T: could you try reproduce a crash bug in contact natty for me? 
[08:03] <Tm_T> I don't have natty yet, sorry
[08:04] <jussi> oh (:
[08:04] <Tm_T> but I have maverick and trunk KDE (;
[08:06] <jussi> well, you could try right click on the column header for where the folders are, and try to switch it from automatic sorting to manual sorting (drag and drop)
[08:12] <steveire> I'm interested in kontact 4.4 crashes/bugs/annoying dialogs still if you have them
[08:40] <jussi> steveire: backtrace: http://paste.ubuntu.com/595413/
[08:40] <jussi> btw, does anyone know the form of login name for b.k.o?  is it email address? 
[08:41] <jussi> oh, nvm, I found it (its email address)
[08:41] <steveire> jussi: Could you make a bug for that if there isn't one?
[08:41] <steveire> Right, thanks
[08:44] <jussi> steveire: kdebug 235467 may be it, but Im not sure how to check if it really is? 
[08:44] <jussi> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=205309
[08:44] <jussi> steveire: how do I check if its a dupe of that? 
[08:52] <steveire> Search for imapjob and KMMsgBase::storage()
[08:54] <jussi> has imapjob, but not KMMsgBase::storage()
[08:55] <afiestas> steveire: are you going to uds?
[08:58] <jussi> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=271199
[08:59] <steveire> jussi Looks like a dupe alright
[09:00] <steveire> afiestas: That's in May, right? No can do
[09:00] <jussi> oh well. Im sure you will mark it as so :)
[09:03] <steveire> Done. And you get that at random times?
[09:17] <jussi> steveire: yeah, i cant seem to reproduce it currently - only started using kmail/kontact today
[09:29] <steveire> Are you coming from another client or from a web client?
[09:29] <afiestas> steveire: :(
[09:43] <valorie> anybody around who knows anything about kcm?
[09:43] <valorie> even a packagename?
[09:46] <valorie> [01:09] <BajK> why is that Notifications for System helper untranslated on Kubuntu? It says "Show notifications for: Appölication crashes, Upgrade information, Restricted codec availability, Required reboots" -- it's all untranslated -.-
[09:46] <Tm_T> valorie: "systemsettings" ?
[09:46] <valorie> I asked him to file a bug, but
[09:46] <valorie> you think that's it?
[09:46] <valorie> !info systemsettings
[09:47] <Tm_T> it could be what you're looking for
[09:49] <BajK> lol but why did they patch the systemsettings module itself instead of adding a kcm module for that ?
[09:49] <jussi> valorie: being sexist goes both ways. ;)
[09:50] <valorie> we're all just humans here, right?
[09:51] <valorie> I mean, I wasn't implying that men aren't efficient and know their stuff
[09:51] <valorie> :-)
[09:51] <tsimpson> human, or at least very convincing AIs
[09:51] <valorie> haha
[09:51] <valorie> BajK: why didn't you ask HERE?
[09:51] <valorie> lol
[09:52] <BajK> eh :D
[09:52] <BajK> usual human habit *g*
[09:52] <valorie> sucks that you didn't see it a week ago
[09:52] <BajK> string freeze?
[09:53] <valorie> DarkwingDuck finished with the docs a few days ago
[09:53] <valorie> etc.
[09:53] <valorie> there have been a series of freezes, but I'm not up on where we are
[09:53] <BajK> I think it was alreayd
[09:53] <BajK> in maverick
[09:53] <BajK> lucid
[09:54] <valorie> in any case, it should be fixed
[09:54] <valorie> late is better than never
[09:54] <BajK> at least now they dont have this "You have 25 Sicherheitsaktualisierungen" :D
[09:54] <valorie> ha
[09:55] <bambee> debfx: personnally I do not understand why polkit does not raise an exception in this case... :\
[09:55] <BajK> polkit is rather broken anyway^^
[09:55] <bambee> (automatically I mean)
[10:04] <bambee> or the agent could display "you entered a wrong/empty password"...
[10:04] <bambee> imho
[10:05] <bambee> (I don't know if an agent can be informed about that in polkit...)
[11:31] <afiestas> Riddell: piiiing
[12:48] <jussi> apachelogger: feel like updating this fro FF4? 
[12:48] <jussi> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/oxygen/
[12:49] <ulysses> jussi: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/?content=117962
[12:50] <jussi> ulysses: oooh! thanks!
[12:53] <jussi> and it works nice :D
[12:57] <c2tarun> Riddell: ping
[13:17] <jussi> hrm, anyone know how to not get the 3g setup on _every_ login? Dont want to set it up, and dont have a sim card currently... http://dl.dropbox.com/u/213546/mobile-nag.png
[14:08] <kubu2> kaffeine seems outdated? is it bec it's not def video player?
[14:09] <Tm_T> kubu2: outdated?
[14:10] <kubu2> I believe it's now 1.2.2 but repo is 1.1?
[14:16] <kubu2> Tm_T: so what do you think?
[14:17] <kubu2> and that's natty repo btw
[14:17] <yofel> true, but too late now to update it for natty
[14:18] <yofel> unless it's only bugfixes, which doesn't seem to be the case
[14:19] <Tm_T> it should go to https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports
[14:20] <kubu2> yofel: - other fixes and improvements ...
[14:21] <Tm_T> kubu2: yes, but it's not _only_ bugfix release
[14:21] <yofel> bugfix *only* - it adds a few things too, and it's too late for any FFE now I think
[14:21] <kubu2> yofel: - fix gnome screen saver inhibition, Updated (2011-04-05): 1.2.1 fixes a DVB-S2 tuning regression.
[14:21] <kubu2> Tm_T: Updated (2011-04-17): 1.2.2 fixes a crash after removing channels.
[14:21] <Tm_T> kubu2: yes, BUT
[14:22] <yofel> that's not the issue, the problem is:
[14:22] <yofel>   - add search function to epg 
[14:22] <yofel>   - implement ATSC support for epg 
[14:22] <Tm_T> 1.2.2 is basicly 1.2 and two quick additional fixes
[14:22] <Tm_T> if we were in 1.2 already, 1.2.2 wouldn't be an issue
[14:22] <Tm_T> but as we're not, it is an issue
[14:23] <Tm_T> 1.2 was released 4.4. which is just too late for Natty
[14:23] <Tm_T> IIRC
[14:24] <yofel> well, if anyone would have remembered it an FFE might have been possible, as release freeze was on the 14th
[14:25] <kubu2> ok..
[17:16] <annma> hi, excellent work on Kubuntu Natty
[17:16] <annma> I am very impressed
[17:18] <annma> thanks everyone!
[17:24] <shadeslayer> :D
[17:32] <DarkwingDuck> thanks annma 
[17:37] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: ping
[17:39] <c2tarun> I was facing a problem with latest version of network-manager in repo, I thought that I should create a ppa and include the older version in it so that in case of crash I may get the older version, but on this page https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/0.8.4~git.20110319t175609.d14809b-0ubuntu2 I am not able to find any link by which I can share that version into my ppa. Can anyone please help?
[17:40] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: ong
[17:40] <shadeslayer> pong
[17:40] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: ^^
[17:40] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: dget the dsc file onto your machine
[17:40] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: hope you remember the prob I was facing with n-m
[17:40] <shadeslayer> yes
[17:41] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: ok, after I dget the file? I should simply upload?
[17:41] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: bump the changelog to 0.8.4~git.20110319t175609.d14809b-0ubuntu3~ppa1 and upload
[17:42] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: got it :) thanks
[17:47] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: sorry may be I did something wrong, but there is no debian folder in it? why so?
[17:47] <shadeslayer> what did you do?
[17:48] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: dget https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/network-manager_0.8.4%7Egit.20110319t175609.d14809b-0ubuntu2.dsc
[17:48] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:48] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: dget -xu https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/network-manager_0.8.4%7Egit.20110319t175609.d14809b-0ubuntu2.dsc
[17:49] <c2tarun> ohh....
[17:53] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: do I have to build the whole package again?
[17:54] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: you could do that or upload to the ppa and upgrade the debs
[17:54] <shadeslayer> your choice
[17:54] <shadeslayer> erm
[17:54] <shadeslayer> s/upgrade/download 
[17:55] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: building locally would be better i guess
[17:55] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: yup, I am doing that :)
[18:43] <txwikinger> how comes that okular does not print landscape, but document viewer does
[18:54] <afiestas_> nobody replied to the bluedevil packaing email :/
[18:54] <afiestas_> is the update that difficult? (since we're close to release)
[19:16] <c2tarun> afiestas_: what kind of update are you talking about?
[19:18] <c2tarun> afiestas_: ping
[19:20] <afiestas_> c2tarun: all stable, bluedevil to 1.1 and libbluedevil to 1.9 (which is the same of 1.8.1 but with 2 new methods)
[19:20] <afiestas_> 1 new method, indeed
[19:21] <c2tarun> afiestas_: can anyone do that? or someone with uploading rights?
[19:26] <neversfelde> archive is frozen afaik, so this can only get in via sru
[19:26] <afiestas_> neversfelde: sru means update after the first installation?
[19:27] <neversfelde> yes. stable release update
[19:27] <afiestas_> well, then as soon as we put it, the better I guess
[19:28] <afiestas_> the current snapshot has quite a few bugs
[19:28] <afiestas_> today I got a few updates, was the freeze today?
[19:28] <apachelogger> jussi: firefox theming is not terribly sensible
[19:28] <apachelogger> super expensive effort
[19:29] <neversfelde> afiestas_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdate
[19:29] <neversfelde> afiestas_: as far as I know with the release of beta2
[19:51] <rbelem> afiestas_, are there packages ready for use?
[19:52] <rbelem> hi ScottK
[19:53] <rbelem> ScottK, did you have tive to take a look in the kubuntu-mobile-default-settings merge request?
[20:26] <Mamarok> is there an estimated time for the new flash plugin for 64 bit to hit the repos? I can't play anything flash anymore
[20:37] <yofel> Mamarok: as adobe still hasn't released that yet I doubt, the prerelease works fine for me though
[20:40] <neversfelde> for me too
[20:40] <neversfelde> much better than the offical release
[20:42] <Mamarok> yofel: thanks, will try that then
[20:42] <yofel> Mamarok: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10_square.html
[20:43] <Mamarok> yofel: thanks, I found that already :)
[20:43] <yofel> :)
[20:44] <debfx> yofel: the problem is that pre-releases don't get security fixes
[20:45] <Mamarok> debfx: that is told on the website, it's up to the user to update it
[20:45] <yofel> I almost never actually use flash, so I can live with that
[20:45] <Mamarok> I only use it for Zattoo
[20:50] <Mamarok> and Chromium is going mad on CPU when using flash, so that is not an option
[20:50] <Mamarok> great, works fine with Firefox :)
[20:51] <bambee> Mamarok: use flashblock and active flash applets on demand :)
[20:51] <Mamarok> bambee: you don't understand: Zattoo only plays with flash, so it overheats my W500
[20:51] <bambee> ohh
[20:51] <Mamarok> of course I already have flashblock
[21:17] <sheytan> Hey
[21:17] <sheytan> anybody here?
[21:20] <sheytan> apachelogger hey
[21:21]  * yofel goes to make some tea
[21:21] <yofel> hi sheytan btw. ;P
[21:21] <sheytan> yofel hey
[21:21] <sheytan> do yoy have access to the kubuntu site?
[21:22] <sheytan> you*
[21:23] <yofel> iirc yes, why?
[21:26] <sheytan> yofel would you put a countdown banner i just made? :)
[21:27] <yofel> hm, talk to Riddell, I don't want to mess with the page that much
[21:28] <sheytan> yofel he's  not here right now. I have to go in few minutes. Could you please do that for me? I will send you the html file ;)
[21:32] <debfx> afiestas: is an update to libbludevil 1.9 really necessary with bluedevil 1.1?
[21:34] <yofel> actually no idea how to do that, he only taught me how to add posts
[21:37] <debfx> afiestas: which bugs does it fix?
[21:37] <apachelogger> why the honey does kdiff3 recommend kdiff3-doc
[21:37] <apachelogger> that is like ubersilly
[21:39] <debfx> so you can read its uber-awesome manual
[21:40] <apachelogger> I do not recall us installing docs as recommends :P
[21:40] <apachelogger> inconsistency ahoy :P
[21:41] <afiestas> debfx: libbluedevil or bluedevil?
[21:41] <debfx> afiestas: libbluedevil
[21:41] <afiestas> yes, it is necessary, thoguh we can make a 1.8.X release if you prefer it
[21:42] <afiestas> since 1.9 is basically a 1.8.X with a couple of new methods
[21:42] <afiestas> it offer a new method to avoid itnerface freezes
[21:43] <afiestas> 1.9 is binary compatible with 1.8 so if needed we can create a minor release
[21:43] <afiestas> if that will make your life easier
[21:48] <debfx> afiestas: I'll update the package to 1.9 and make it ScottK's responsibility to accept/reject the upload :P
[21:48] <neversfelde> hehe
[22:00] <debfx> afiestas: does bluedevil detect the libbluedevil version at build time?
[22:02] <afiestas> debfx: nope
[22:04] <Riddell> evening
[22:05] <debfx> afiestas: does it load libbluedevil dynamically?
[22:06] <afiestas> debfx: nope
[22:06] <bambee> good night
[22:08] <ScottK> rbelem: I did not.  I don't have a lot of time this week, so getting someone else to review would be better.
[22:08] <debfx> hello Riddell
[22:08] <debfx> afiestas: oh, then how does it use the 1.9 api additions?
[22:09] <afiestas> debfx: it is linked dynamically
[22:09] <afiestas> 1.1 final doesn't compile with 1.8 iirc
[22:11] <debfx> it compiles fine with 1.8.1
[22:12] <afiestas> mmmm it should not u.U
[22:12] <afiestas> let me check
[22:13] <afiestas> registerDeviceAsync is not in 1.8
[22:13] <afiestas> or it should not 
[22:13] <afiestas> maybe ereslibre backported it
[22:14] <afiestas> debfx: https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/libs/libbluedevil/repository/revisions/stable/entry/bluedevil/bluedevildevice.cpp
[22:14] <afiestas> it is not
[22:16] <debfx> afiestas: bluedevil calls it via QMetaObject::invokeMethod()
[22:16] <debfx> I hope it checks the libbluedevil version somewhere
[22:16] <afiestas> it doesn't :/ we're crappy with cmake
[22:16] <debfx> otherwise that's dangerous
[22:16] <afiestas> u.U
[22:16] <debfx> the check needs to be at runtime
[22:17] <afiestas> and as far as I've been told we forget to add the dependency in the README
[22:17] <afiestas> sorry for that, we're making packagers live a hell :/
[22:17] <afiestas> and libbluedevil being uploaded as unstable (because it is no playground) doesn't help either
[22:19] <afiestas> ScottK: do you have 1 min?
[22:19] <ScottK> afiestas: If it's quick.
[22:21] <ScottK> afiestas: Not quick enough. I need to go.
[22:27] <rbelem> ScottK, oki
[22:28] <rbelem> Riddell, do you have some free time to take a look in the kubuntu-mobile-defaults-settings patch? :-)
[22:30] <Riddell> rbelem: tomorrow I will, what's in it?
[22:32] <rbelem> Riddell, the script to update the /etc/default/nodm and some minor changes
[22:35] <rbelem> Riddell, to update /etc/default/nodm after the oem-config
[23:00] <afiestas> ScottK: aaah, sorry :/
[23:47] <debfx> Riddell, ScottK: bluedevil is in the queue and bug #753370 needs a sponsor
[23:50] <afiestas> debfx: thank!
[23:50] <afiestas> *s