[00:00] <Daskreech> !ask
[00:00] <Daskreech> !anyone
[00:00] <Daskreech> rekenber: Let us know more :)
[00:00] <Daskreech> I gotta go though
[00:03] <rekenber> Daskreech: okay. I installed connman in my GNOME side, then I removed GNOME... now I dunno how can I access connman from the Plasma desktop.
[00:13] <rekenber> Is there a way for me to disable connman and reactivate NetworkManager...?
[00:21] <iZeke_> rekenber: go to system steeings-> information sources -> and under network management backend click on NetworkManager and hit the up arrow to the side so it's at the top of the list
[00:22] <iZeke_> wow I spelled settings wrong :[
[00:23] <rekenber> iZeke_: thanks for replying, but it seems that I already got NetworkManager at the top... >_<
[00:28] <rekenber> i'll try to logout and see it again.
[00:30] <rekenber> it's still the same.
[00:41] <boudiccas> when i install kubuntu, does it giveme the choice of setting my partitons as i want?
[00:42] <nikola> does anyone have artifacts in kubuntu natty?
[00:43] <nikola> alt+f2 type kwi or sys and when krunner list results i see artifacts
[00:44] <nikola> @boudiccas yes when you are installing kubuntu choose manual option and all your partitions will be listed and then you can make changes
[00:44] <boudiccas> nikola, thanks
[00:45] <nikola> no problem :)
[01:06] <user__> Hello
[01:06] <James147> Hello user__
[01:06] <user__> <ubuntu noob
[01:07] <user__> hello James
[01:07] <user__> I just installed 10.10
[01:07] <user__> and was trying to connect to my wireless network and no go.....
[01:07] <James147> user__: well, your in the kubuntu support channel ^^ so if you have a question about it then just ask... if you have a question about #ubuntu though, you may want to ask in #ubuntu
[01:08] <James147> user__: first, are you using kubuntu or ubuntu?
[01:08] <user__> good question....
[01:09] <user__> the about reads ubuntu 10.10
[01:09] <user__> wrong channel....
[01:09] <James147> user__: then you may want to join #ubuntu :)
[01:10] <user__> cool thanks James! have a good one
[01:11] <Fanfare> Next: My Win 7 is so laggy, what can i do... (remembering when some kde guys presented kde4 as the new win 7)
[01:12] <James147> Win 7 is so laggy because its win 7 ^^
[02:03] <amirhosein> hi
[02:05] <ispy_> By far the best kde focused desktop distribution I've ever seen.
[02:06] <ispy_> And I'm a snob. I've even converted over to using the default applications which the team has decided to be the very best combination of what the KDE community has to offer.  Not to mention the Ubuntu/Debian backbone...
[02:08]  * Realmkeeper hands ispy_ a 10er, "You did well. The world is now convinced. Thanks."
[02:09] <Realmkeeper> :)
[02:09] <ispy_> Haha, I mean it.
[02:12] <Realmkeeper> Well, I do await to see what Mandriva, Chakra and Mint come up with next. Then the verdict will come. ;)
[02:14] <Realmkeeper> An advantage with Kubuntu over, say, Chakra, is that the devs at Chakra want to make it pure KDE. Kubuntu always falls back to Gnome when the going gets tough. Understandable.
[02:14] <James147> Realmkeeper: when does it "fallback" to gnome?
[02:15] <Realmkeeper> open office/Libre Office (not KDE), gimp, etc.
[02:17] <James147> ^^ they arnt gnome applications...
[02:17] <James147> they are used by most distros that use gnome since gnome dosnt ahve any alternitives, but they arnt gnome :)
[02:18] <James147> hell, from what I can see openoffice isnt even gtk
[02:22] <Realmkeeper> Oh, I didn't know that... I just new it's not KDE, and plays on my my KDE distro a bit.
[02:23] <James147> Realmkeeper: any application that is able to run under X will run on kubuntu ^^
[02:23] <James147> and most linux system that run x for that matter ^^
[02:24] <Realmkeeper> James147: Can you tell me of a very good scanning program for KDE?
[02:25] <James147> Realmkeeper: sorry, never looked into scanning
[02:25] <James147> Realmkeeper: though if i  remember right the immage applications are able to import fram a scanner... (gewnview and digikam
[02:26] <debrisrat> hi !
[02:26] <debrisrat> good morning
[02:28] <mase_wk> Realmkeeper: skanlite is supposed to bepretty easy to use
[02:30] <Realmkeeper> mase_wk: skanlite is too basic, ended up using Simple Scan, but even that is not up to scratch.
[02:31] <Realmkeeper> James147: Not images, pdfs.
[02:31] <mase_wk> Realmkeeper: i haven't really used a scanner for a long time so i don't really know sorry. i think i just used xsane back in the day
[02:32] <mase_wk> YMMV
[02:32] <Realmkeeper> James147: I went to Gwenview just to try, anyway. Clicked "Import for Scanner..." only to have it turn on my laptop camera - with no way to see how to tell it to use the scanner.
[02:33] <Realmkeeper> mase_wk: That is the point, there are no good scanning programs for Linux.
[02:33]  * James147 had only noticed the option... he has never actually tried it
[02:35] <mase_wk> Realmkeeper: so xsane doesn't work for you ? If it bothers you that there aren't any applications you could always write one...Almost all of the applications on Linux are developed by people who are solving a problem for themselves
[02:35] <faxpc> hi guys. i am on gnome ubuntu 10.10. i installed the package kubuntu-desktop. i selected kdm, i logged out, selected KDE.
[02:35] <faxpc> 2 icons load up and then the screen flashes and it goes back to the login screen
[02:35] <Realmkeeper> mase_wk: I knew the "you can write your own" response would be used. ;)
[02:36] <mase_wk> Realmkeeper: well there isn't really any other option
[02:36] <mase_wk> no one is going to write one for you
[02:36] <James147> mase_wk: patch an existing one ^^ :) normally the better option
[02:36] <mase_wk> James147: well i was using write one broadly
[02:37] <mase_wk> i assume skanlite or simple scan would not want complicated options in their app given the names :)
[02:37] <James147> mase_wk: :D
[02:38] <James147> mase_wk: dosnt mean you cant fork it and use their code as a base
[02:38] <faxpc> i may have bad repos, there was no plasma KDE in software center so i installed manually from commandline the kubuntu-desktop package
[02:38] <Realmkeeper> mase_wk: My point is that a lot of Linux (even Kubuntu) devs and users want to say to the world. "LOOK, look how great Kubuntu, Mandriva, openSUSE, etc. is... How great Linux is!" Great as it may be, it lacks in many key software areas.
[02:39] <faxpc> what repos should i use to install kubuntu-desktop plasma?. thanks
[02:39] <Realmkeeper> mase_wk: Then, someone comes from Microsoft or Apple, tries it, then sees he/she can't do something. Askes about it, and then gets told to "write your own".
[02:39] <mase_wk> Realmkeeper: i don't think anyone doubts that, but it doesn't stop it from being great. People love OSX despite it's many flaws and 90% of the earth uses windows even though they are well aware of it's issues
[02:39] <James147> faxpc: the default repos ^^ just "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[02:40] <James147> ^^ that will pull in plasma and everything you need for a kde desktop
[02:40] <mase_wk> Realmkeeper: Kubuntu / Linux isn't for anyone. It's fantastic at what it does well and is always improving..but it's not for everyone
[02:40] <faxpc> james, that is exactly what i did the first time. i now get the problem i described above. i dont have the badnwidth to uninstall and reinstall doing exactly the same thing
[02:41] <faxpc> if theres something different in your suggested approach sure i would
[02:41] <mase_wk> Realmkeeper: at the end of the day, it's up to the individual user to decide if an OS works well for them and offers them what they are looking for
[02:41] <James147> mase_wk: i think 90% of those 90% users dont know or care what an os is and would use anything that gets stuck in front of them given it can preform a basic operation of what they need
[02:41] <mase_wk> James147: true
[02:42] <James147> (after quivering for servral weeks because it "look different")
[02:42] <mu3en> actually, even if it doesn't perform the basic operations they need...and pay for that too...
[02:43] <faxpc> is there a way to renew my repos. apt-get upgrade says it has to DL a huge amount so that can't be it
[02:43] <faxpc> i mean, where can i get a good list
[02:43] <James147> mu3en: :D
[02:43] <James147> faxpc: sudo apt-get update refreshes the lists ^^ then you should "sudo apt-get upgrade" to upgrade your system....
[02:43] <faxpc> ubuntu software center didn't even have kubuntu plasma
[02:44] <James147> faxpc: despite it being a large update its best to do it... the more you fall behind on updates the larger it will become
[02:44] <faxpc> james i am not going to use the upgrade command to download default packages that make absolutely no difference it is only a waste of bandwidth
[02:44] <James147> faxpc: it should have kubuntu-desktop ^^ which will pull in plasma
[02:45] <Realmkeeper> faxpc: Is your internet connection capped?
[02:45] <faxpc> is there a smaller package i can get that will pull in plasma
[02:45] <James147> faxpc: it dose make a difference.... allot of packages are dependent on other packages and if you only upgrade some at a time you can end up breaking your system
[02:46] <faxpc> no my work only has 3gb a month cable
[02:46] <mase_wk> Realmkeeper: also it's not that you can't do something. it's just that you have asked a group of people who aren't necessarily experts either
[02:46] <faxpc> some countries you have to actually pay for bandwidth not like europe and USA
[02:46] <mase_wk> i am certain there are applications that will provide you with the controls you need
[02:47] <mase_wk> I'm almost certain Xsane will give you want want
[02:47] <mu3en> kde-plasma-desktop ?
[02:47] <mase_wk> it just isn't a Kubuntu application
[02:47] <Realmkeeper> faxpc: Doesn't the ISP your work is using have a free zone which doesn't count towards your quota? Most, if not all, do.
[02:48] <Realmkeeper> mase_wk: Sorry, I'm just frustrated. Been using Linux since 1998... there is not good scanner program. Unfortunately, I'm not a developer, either.
[02:48] <James147> mase_wk: what makes an application a "kubuntu" application? :)
[02:48] <faxpc> yes they probably do allow local traffic uncapped i have no idea. and yes there would be local repos
[02:49] <faxpc> i am trying the kde-plasma-desktop. its downloading :). this should fix the problem where i login to kde and 2 icons appear and the screen flashes and goes back to the login screen?
[02:49] <mase_wk> James147: well it's not a KDE application for a start :)
[02:49] <Realmkeeper> faxpc: Which country are you in?
[02:49] <mase_wk> Realmkeeper: so what is it that you actually want to do with your scanner that you can't do with xsane /
[02:49] <faxpc> the update command will only DL 274mb thats not too bad if i have to
[02:50] <Realmkeeper> mase_wk: Make it so that it's easy for my Microsoft using wife to use. :D
[02:50] <faxpc> k lets try this login again. thanks for the help. theres no more essential kde packages i might need? i have kubuntu-desktop (apparently) and kde-plasma-desktop
[02:51] <Realmkeeper> mase_wk: Simple Scan does that... but, it is very basic in options (at the moment).
[02:51] <James147> faxpc: if you have kubuntu-desktop then you have what you need for a kde session
[02:52] <mu3en> faxpc, as James147 said, can be that unless all packages are upgraded to a similar level, the whole thing may not work properly. don't be too surprised if it's still funky.
[02:52] <faxpc> k i might have to redownload that after an update
[02:52] <faxpc> upgrae*
[02:52] <faxpc> thanks for the help, hope this works. KDE is awesome
[02:53] <mase_wk> Realmkeeper: i think the point of simple scan is to be easy.. which generally removes options. There are other applications in between....but it could also be that Kubuntu is actually not really usable for your wife....it could be that you aren't giving your wife enough credit that she can learn a new interface..
[02:54] <mase_wk> Realmkeeper: different people have different needs and it's difficult to be all things to all people
[02:54] <valorie> Realmkeeper: I'm a woman who uses kubuntu, while my husband uses Windows
[02:54] <Realmkeeper> mase_wk: It's not about Kubuntu, it's about KDE. ;)
[02:54] <mase_wk> Realmkeeper: KDE is a component of Kubuntu
[02:54] <James147> mase_wk: simple != remove options... it means easy to understand/use... which is generally done by hiding options not removing :)
[02:54] <Realmkeeper> valorie: Swap partners?
[02:54] <valorie> heh
[02:55] <mase_wk> James147: well i guess in Realmkeeper they just haven't had incentive to put the features in
[02:55] <mase_wk> Realmkeeper: you could always put in a feature request to have whatever feature you need added
[02:55] <James147> :(
[02:56] <mase_wk> as James147 said, they could hide certain options so people who want them can find them
[02:56] <James147> Realmkeeper: and offer code or even desigins would be helpful :)
[02:58] <Realmkeeper> faxpc: KPackageKit -> Settings -> Edit Origins -> Download from: -> Other... -> (Your country and ISP might be listed in there. Just pick it for the your free zone.)
[02:59] <Realmkeeper> James147: True, but with the list of ToDoes I see on devs' lists, I am guessing it'll be pushed to the bottom. :)
[03:01] <James147> Realmkeeper: depends... smaller projects tend to be fuled by feedback...
[03:02] <faxpc> im still on gnome so im using update center
[03:02] <faxpc> but form the look of the repos it is using local ones
[03:02] <mase_wk> Realmkeeper: the main issue with Linux / BSD in general as an operating system for people who don't care about the freedom aspect, or as a generic end user appliance is that most of the applications on the desktop are written by people who aren't doing it as a day job. The code quality is often really good but UI decisions etc.. are just done to the best of their ability ...or sometimes just thrown together. In a commercial environment,
[03:03] <mase_wk> applications have UI engineers etc.. look at the difference between firefox 1.0 and firefox 3/4 after aza raskin got involved with mozilla
[03:03] <faxpc> ah, upgrade done. i really dont want to have to reinstall kubuntu-desktop and find the same error so i will try now that the upgrade is done
[03:04] <mase_wk> mozilla made money from more people using firefox. if 1 or 100,000 people use skanlite it's not going to make a difference to that developer
[03:04] <Realmkeeper> mase_wk: Yes, I know that... just at times - full moon, solar flares - I get frustrated without just cause.
[03:04] <mase_wk> Realmkeeper: that's understandable
[03:05] <mase_wk> Realmkeeper: i get annoyed that nginx doesn't have something like mod_tcn but not annoyed enough to write it myself... :)
[03:06] <faxpc> okay this is absolute Bull. i assume kubuntu-netbook is not the package i want
[03:06] <mase_wk> Realmkeeper: i think if canonical / someone foudn a way to make a decent amount of money from the linux desktop then it would be a different story
[03:07] <mase_wk> i think all the appications should respect my freedom but i don't think that means they should be no cost
[03:07] <faxpc> clearly says kubuntu-desktop is installed
[03:07] <mase_wk> and as soon as that happens this is no longer a problem
[03:08] <Realmkeeper> mase_wk: "...make a decent amount of money from the linux desktop then it would be a different story" I wondered about that after seeing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzyaM7VWqOg
[03:09] <faxpc> oh wow this is an interesting development. i go to remove kubuntu-desktop and it says its not installed. even though it is. i am guessing the old repos were bad after all
[03:10] <mase_wk> Realmkeeper: you would have different developers doing the work most likely..yes ...people currently writing IOS apps or windows apps perhaps, but so long as the market requirement was there that those applications were Libre i don't see that as a problem
[03:11] <mase_wk> i'd be quite happy to see 10 paid devs working on GIMP rather than the 2 devs they currently have
[03:11] <Realmkeeper> mase_wk: You mean Krita, right? ;D
[03:11] <mase_wk> No gimp
[03:11] <mase_wk> Krita has a few more devs i think :)
[03:12] <mase_wk> Krita is also a painting application and my art skills suck :)
[03:15] <Realmkeeper> faxpc: By "local ones" in Update Center, do you mean the same ISP, or just the same country?
[03:17] <faxpc> country. anyway, is there any reason why it would load 2 icons and then the screen flash and log back out again
[03:19] <Realmkeeper> faxpc: Sorry, don't know, not using 'buntu at the moment.
[03:22] <M4X> if i wanted to upgreade from 10.10 to the beta 2 how can I do that with konsole?
[03:29] <mu3en> faxpc. you could try with a different user. depending on your setup, the home folder could cause issues when loading kde configuration.
[03:35] <Ratchetman> Anyone with Kubuntu 10.10 having issues with sound through Firefox 4 videos? Also does the noscript add on have anything to do with No Script?
[04:11] <Shdwdrgn> hey folks, I've been using firefox-4.0 for a few weeks.  Just ran an update, and when I restarted FF, it's now coming up with a 6.0a nightly version?
[04:11] <kanicha> Hi, I am a bit stuck here, hope someone can help me.
[04:12] <kanicha> The kde workspace, due to some reason has been killed
[04:12] <Shdwdrgn> that's the version number listed in the info for the firefox-4.0 package... not sure why the versions are getting crossed like this, but would appriciate any suggestions on how I can get back to the actual 4.0?
[04:12] <kanicha> I am unable to bring up taskbar or kicker
[04:12] <kanicha> Although I can access krunner.
[04:13] <kanicha> Could someone teel me the command to start the kde workspace back?
[04:13] <Shdwdrgn> you should be able to restart with /etc/init.d/kdm
[04:14] <kanicha> Shdwdrgn: "Cannot create /var/run/kdm/Xaccess"
[04:14] <Shdwdrgn> hmm sorry, never seen that one before
[04:16] <kanicha> Shdwdrgn: Running that command with sudo tells kdm is already running
[04:16] <Shdwdrgn> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[04:18] <Shdwdrgn> oh well, found a solution for firefox, I'm off
[06:53] <gabriel> Hello, I have a question about x extensions and screen composting.
[06:54] <gabriel> compositing that is...
[06:54] <gabriel> anyone here?
[06:58] <valorie> !ask | gabriel
[06:59] <Realmkeeper> !massage | Realmkeeper
[06:59] <Realmkeeper> [07:00] <Realmkeeper> Okay... ubottu is broke. :_(
[07:00] <gabriel> when trying to enable desktop effects in the system settings I get an error saying that Compositing is not supported on your system.
[07:00] <gabriel> Required X extensions (XComposite and XDamage) are not available.
[07:00] <tsimpson> Realmkeeper: in what way?
[07:00] <Realmkeeper> tsimpson: No massage.
[07:01] <tsimpson> Realmkeeper: you just posted the message you got
[07:01] <valorie> massage == message
[07:01] <valorie> :-)
[07:01] <gabriel> LOL!
[07:01] <mase_wk> haha
[07:01] <mase_wk> i would like a massage
[07:01] <Realmkeeper> massage != message ;P
[07:02] <tsimpson> yeah, I'm not seeing the breakage
[07:02] <gabriel> so, the massage is the message?
[07:02] <valorie> gabriel: do you have the best driver for your graphics card?
[07:02] <valorie> massages are the BEST message
[07:02] <valorie> sec
[07:02] <valorie> !drivers
[07:03] <gabriel> yes, nvidia settings is not working, I just tried to change the screen res and it won't 'apply' the settings.
[07:03] <valorie> silly ubottu
[07:03] <valorie> !nvidia
[07:03] <tsimpson> don't blame the bot for _your_ mistakes ;)
[07:03] <gabriel> I already installed it, but was having an issue getting X to start.
[07:04] <valorie> did you use jockey, or what?
[07:04] <gabriel> I thought It was okay, but now that I look at it I know it's not. Should I just reinstall? I have all my data on another partition.
[07:04]  * Daskreech massages valorie till she gets the message
[07:06] <gabriel> I used the thing here; Kbutton in panel > applications > System > hardware drivers
[07:06] <gabriel> I also am running dual monitors btw
[07:06] <valorie> oooo, massage!
[07:07] <valorie> gabriel: that sounds good
[07:07] <gabriel> Hey, stop massaging and help me! LOL!
[07:07] <gabriel> JK!
[07:07] <valorie> from inside kubuntu is the right way to do it
[07:08] <valorie> if you need more indepth help, I'm not much good
[07:08] <gabriel> oh! hold on, I'm a try installing something
[07:08] <valorie> but you worked through the video driver howto?
[07:08] <nemon82> hi, any idea if emphaty has default themes for KDE too
[07:09] <gabriel> Uhh, no, I just selected the recommended driver (the only one)
[07:09] <gabriel> I installed something, be back in a minute =0) gotta reboot.
[07:31] <gabriel> Well, I have the driver working, but not both screens now.
[07:33] <gabriel> BTW Valorie, I'm back...
[07:33] <gabriel> How do you get to other channels?
[07:34] <valorie> in my client, I type /j #otherchan
[07:35] <gabriel> define client please
[07:35] <valorie> almost always, /join #otherchan works
[07:35] <valorie> I use Konversation
[07:35] <valorie> you might use Quassel, or Xchat, or IRSSI
[07:35] <valorie> or about a million others
[07:35] <valorie> sec
[07:35] <gabriel> IRSS? YIKES I don't like that name it sounds too much like IRS
[07:36] <mase_wk> irssi is pretty good
[07:37] <mase_wk> konversation is what i use personally
[07:37] <gabriel> Is it okay to use synaptic instead of kpackage?
[07:38] <mase_wk> ofcourse...it's your system
[07:39] <gabriel> okay then. I like it lots better. I didn't know if it would use the same exact repositories or what.
[07:39] <mase_wk> yeh it does, the repositories are system wide
[07:40] <mase_wk> muon is another good frontend to the package manager
[07:40] <gabriel> WOW why do I suddenly want to install all these new packages? ::smirk::
[07:43] <gabriel> well, it's getting late. ttyl maybe =0)
[07:43] <mase_wk> fortunately you can install as many apps as you have disk space
[07:43] <mase_wk> :)
[07:43] <gabriel> I know right?
[07:51] <keithzg> yeah I switch between package managers all the time, based on what exactly I'm doing (and I'm just a wanderer by nature)
[07:52] <keithzg> Never really gave Muon a shot, though...time to install it ;)
[07:55] <keithzg> oh, and hey, when did the GTK frontend to Aptitude make it into the repos? . . . probably ages ago and I never noticed, eh? heh.
[09:09] <BajK> why is that Notifications for System helper untranslated on Kubuntu? It says "Show notifications for: Appölication crashes, Upgrade information, Restricted codec availability, Required reboots" -- it's all untranslated -.-
[09:10] <valorie> BajK: please file a bug
[09:10] <BajK> on launchpad?
[09:10] <valorie> hmmm
[09:10] <BajK> but I'll check if it is still on natty
[09:10] <valorie> ok, cool
[09:11] <BajK> because this module is not in stock KDE i think (otherwise I would have already translated it myself :P)
[09:11] <valorie> I would tend to say yes on launchpad
[09:11] <valorie> so that the packagers fix whatever twiddle didn't get done
[09:11] <valorie> if it is in KDE, they will send it upstream
[09:12] <BajK> the title and description of the respective kcm module is correctly trasnlated but its content (and about info) is not
[09:12] <Kaleidoscope> Anyone here might can help me play DVD's?
[09:13] <BajK> !dvd | Kaleidoscope
[09:14] <BajK> valorie: so in natty they definitly changed the layout of that settings page but I dont have the locale installed, I will check that
[09:16] <Kaleidoscope> That totally didn't help =(
[09:16] <BajK> Kaleidoscope: what player are you using?
[09:16] <BajK> what's the error that occurs?
[09:16] <valorie> Kaleidoscope: you will need to say more about your difficulty, then
[09:16] <Kaleidoscope> I tried Dragon and VLC. Dragon gets to the FBI Screen and freezes. VLC says couldn't read block 0
[09:17] <valorie> BajK: please mention mav too, because that should be backported, right?
[09:17] <BajK> (I wonder why they never spend time on polishing the installation routine, isnt the setup the first impression a user sees? and then if it is as bad as Kubuntu's, they will never install it^^)
[09:17] <BajK> valorie: ok
[09:17] <BajK> huh? Natty wants 3.8 GB of space? maverick stated 2.3 If I'm not mistaken
[09:17] <valorie> for the cd version, or dvd?
[09:17] <Kaleidoscope> And I've tried several different DVD's, they all do the same thing
[09:19] <Kaleidoscope> Am I just S.O.L. on tryin to watch movies?
[09:20] <BajK> hmm, on my machine, it worked just fine with kaffeine
[09:20] <BajK> try installing kaffeine, I think its setup routine also installs some additional codecs
[09:20] <BajK> (now you know why downloading movies is so much better than byuing them *duck*)
[09:20] <Kaleidoscope> XD Alright, I'll try kaffeine
[09:21] <Tm_T> !piracy > BajK
[09:21] <Kaleidoscope> got error reading NAV Packet
[09:22] <BajK> Tm_T: who said that was piracy? I didnt say downloading for free/illegally...
[09:23] <Kaleidoscope> !piracy > Kaleidoscope
[09:23] <BajK> Kaleidoscope: :P
[09:23] <Kaleidoscope> =D
[09:24] <Kaleidoscope> I would just DL them, But I'm limited to 90 kilobytes per second internet, And I don't have much HD Space
[09:24] <Kaleidoscope> So DLing takes like 3 hours for a movie =(
[09:25] <BajK> Kaleidoscope: do you have any other dvds?
[09:25] <BajK> did you try with kaffeine?
[09:25] <Tm_T> BajK: you didn't say, but you clearly suggested, but enough of this topic (:
[09:25] <BajK> so maybe the FBI doesnt want you to watch that movie :P
[09:25] <Kaleidoscope> Yea, Kaffeine gave me Error reading NAV, and I've tried several other DVD's, all get the same result
[09:25] <BajK> mh
[09:26] <BajK> libdvdcss also installed?
[09:26] <Kaleidoscope> yea
[09:26] <Tm_T> and Kaffeine restarted after that?
[09:26] <Kaleidoscope> Got Kaffeine aftrewards
[09:27] <Kaleidoscope> So ye
[09:27] <BajK> lol that's funny. XP doesnt let you run because "there have been problems detecting wether you are authorized" and ubuntu doesnt because it has no codecs :D my solution for the first case was: dvd player -> tv in -> tv program :P
[09:27] <Kaleidoscope> I never had trouble playin DVD's on windows before O.o
[09:32] <gunsofbrixton> hi, will there be no rc for natty? is it just called beta now?
[09:32] <BajK> valorie: so, in Natty the whole thing is still untranslated
[09:32] <BajK> gunsofbrixton: yep, beta 2
[09:33] <Kaleidoscope> This channel could really use a couple OP's
[09:33] <gunsofbrixton> BajK: ah I see cool
[09:33] <Kaleidoscope> There's like always over 200 logged in, but only 5-10 will ever be active. I think someone might be runnin a botnet here =P
[09:34] <BajK> why can't there be just a prominent "REPORT A BUG" link in launchpad. no, it always leads you to the stupid wiki page and that ubuntu-bugs program is buggy as hell and whatever.
[09:34] <Kaleidoscope> XD
[09:35] <BajK> I mean, KDE: bugs.kde.org -> report bug _> log in -> done
[09:35] <BajK> launchpad.. eeer..
[09:35] <BajK> I once managed to report one but dont know how I got there lol
[09:35] <Kaleidoscope> XD
[09:37] <valorie> !bugs
[09:37] <BajK> you know what? I will just accept the fact that this page is untranslated and live with it. I don't get why I should look around in like 20 million pages for a "file a bug" thing
[09:37] <valorie> I would use the command instead of launchpad
[09:37] <valorie> please just use the cli
[09:37] <BajK> valorie: I refuse to use the most buggy program in the world aka ubuntu-bug
[09:37] <valorie> :(
[09:37] <BajK> and where should I know the package name?
[09:38] <valorie> ah, I don't know
[09:38] <BajK> most funny thing ever: ubuntu-bug (with no parameter), "What kind of problem do you want to report? Other." - "What particular problem do you observe? Other problem" - "This is expected as there is no tty allocated when running directly via ssh. Adding the -t flag will allocate a tty and prevent sudo from echoing the password"
[09:39] <BajK> lol. yeah. right. eer.
[09:39] <BajK> I mean every automatic phone call will route you to a "real human" if you fail to understand the computer voice like 3 times, so should that ubuntu-bugs thing, then just route to launchpad
[09:40] <valorie> i agree, and I wish I knew the package name
[09:41] <BajK> it should start with a "kcm" (if kubuntu respects kde naming philosophy)
[09:41] <BajK> (maybe that's the reason it is untranslated for ages, nobody knows the package name to file a report on this :P)
[09:42] <vinnie_> im running linux mint 10 kde edition, which i believe is based on kubuntu. is there a reason i cant run cron jobs on anything except in my home directory using crontab -e?
[09:42] <Kaleidoscope> cron jobs sounds like crminal activity XD
[09:43] <vinnie_> lol
[09:43] <valorie> hmm, let's see if ubottu knows anything useful
[09:43] <valorie> !cron
[09:43] <valorie> maybe......
[09:44] <Kaleidoscope> Val is like the interactive frontend for ubottu, Val knows like every single !command XD
[09:44] <valorie> I wish I did
[09:44] <valorie> !kcm
[09:44] <Kaleidoscope> !omg
[09:45] <Kaleidoscope> XD
[09:45] <valorie> I know a few, and just bumble around with the rest
[09:45] <Kaleidoscope> That was golden
[09:45] <valorie> !info kcm
[09:45] <valorie> heh
[09:45] <BajK> hm
[09:45] <valorie> helpful, ubottu
[09:46] <Kaleidoscope> !airmon-ng
[09:46] <BajK> [ubottumode] I'm a bot don't think I'm intelligent [/ubottumode] :P
[09:46] <vinnie_> wow.. i used it onece. not on a regular basis
[09:46] <BajK> but it also doesnt seem to be packaged separately
[09:46] <Kaleidoscope> !aircrack-ng
[09:46] <BajK> I'll send a mail to the i18n kde mailing list, maybe they have a clue
[09:46] <Kaleidoscope> Didn't think so
[09:47] <valorie> so I asked in devel, and it might be systemsettings
[09:47] <Kaleidoscope> !Devil
[09:47] <Kaleidoscope> !linux
[09:47] <valorie> which def. is a package
[09:47] <tsimpson> Kaleidoscope: how about you message the bot
[09:48] <Kaleidoscope> <.< Fine I'll stop then
[09:48] <Kaleidoscope> Mr.ComplainyPants
[09:48] <Kaleidoscope> =P
[09:48] <valorie> he'll talk to you privately
[09:48] <BajK> valorie: message is out
[09:48] <valorie> thank you BajK
[09:48] <tsimpson> she
[09:48] <jussi> valorie: "she'll"
[09:48] <valorie> ok -- are all the bots female?
[09:48] <jussi> no, just ubottu
[09:49] <jussi> !gender
[09:49] <valorie> I mean, they are efficient, and know their stuff.....
[09:49] <jussi> ...
[09:49] <tsimpson> careful... ;)
[09:49] <valorie> so it all makes sense
[09:49] <Kaleidoscope> XD
[09:49] <valorie> :-)
[09:49] <BajK> in the about it says Thomas Reitelbach as translation author
[09:49] <BajK> but then it says "Kubuntu contains additions and changes to the kde translations"
[09:49] <BajK> but let's see what the response is
[09:50] <BajK> is it ok to just referr to ubottu as "it"? :P
[09:51] <Kaleidoscope> She might get offended about you treating her as an object
[09:51] <Kaleidoscope> XD
[09:55] <BajK> just fired up my kubuntu 10.04 again, how weird seing this kde 4.4 :D
[09:56] <BajK> with all that unneccessary clutter and optical things, like the stripes in the taskbar and stuff^^
[10:27] <TornadoXubuntu> Hello! I am running Kubuntu 10.
[10:28] <TornadoXubuntu> Please i need to view the recorded videos from my MD160 Canon Camera. I not able to view the videos or mount the camera. It is working under windows and Ubuntu but not on Kubuntu
[10:29] <TornadoXubuntu> any suggestions?
[10:29] <annma> what do you mean "under Ubuntu"
[10:30] <annma> how is itworking
[10:30] <annma> how do you view the videos under Ubuntu
[10:30] <TornadoXubuntu> (It is getting mounted automatically... and when i open the mounted folder, i am able to see the videos)
[10:31] <annma> how do you view the videos
[10:31] <TornadoXubuntu> double click
[10:32] <annma> you open the mounted folder: using what
[10:32] <annma> TornadoXubuntu: you can use whatever program on Kubuntu
[10:32] <annma> meaning: you can use the same progs that worked on Ubuntu
[10:33] <annma> Kubuntu is the KDE desktop on Ubuntu but you can install and use any program
[10:33] <TornadoXubuntu> do you know any program that deals with such stuff?
[10:34] <annma> deals with what
[10:34] <Peace-> TornadoXubuntu: you need decice notification
[10:34] <Peace-> TornadoXubuntu: that handle your stuff usb
[10:34] <Peace-> how did you install kde?
[10:34] <Peace-> bad?
[10:34] <Peace-> xD
[10:35] <annma> and why don't you use the same progs you used before
[10:35] <annma> you can use anything anywhere
[10:35] <annma> on a Gnome desktop you can use KDE apps and vice versa
[10:35] <TornadoXubuntu> I have a device notifier, but when i open the mounted folder under the device notifier i am seeing the folder empty
[10:36] <annma> open WHERE
[10:36] <Peace-> TornadoXubuntu: look at this
[10:36] <annma> did you nuke your ubuntu install then?
[10:36] <TornadoXubuntu> on live cd i tested ubuntu
[10:36] <annma> ubuntu?
[10:37] <annma> so it worked on a Live Ubuntu CD?
[10:37] <Peace-> TornadoXubuntu: http://blip.tv/file/4876138?filename=Nowardev-PostareUnoScreenshotVelocementeConKde4625.m4v
[10:37] <TornadoXubuntu> yes
[10:37] <Peace-> TornadoXubuntu: do a screen of your problem please
[10:38] <annma> so you did not test a Kubuntu CD?
[10:38] <annma> Peace-: wait
[10:38] <TornadoXubuntu> no i didn't test it on kubuntu live cd... i am testing it on my kubuntu installation
[10:39] <annma> so why did you test a Ubuntu CD and then install a Kubuntu one
[10:40] <TornadoXubuntu> because i have already kubuntu installed on my hard drive before testing it on ubuntu
[10:40] <TornadoXubuntu> thanks Peace- for the link
[10:43] <annma> TornadoXubuntu: if i wirked on Ubuntu it'll work on Kubuntu, just find out what to install
[10:44] <TornadoXubuntu> annma, i am opening the mounted folder from the device notifier on Kubuntu using dolphin. The folder appears to be empty. That's the whole problem.
[10:45] <TornadoXubuntu> i just had tough times explaining it
[10:46] <TornadoXubuntu> it does not make sense to me if it is working under Ubuntu and not under kubuntu. There must be something i am missing out there
[10:46] <annma> so what did you open it with using Ubuntu
[10:46] <annma> TornadoXubuntu: ^^
[10:47] <annma> use the same prog
[10:47] <annma> either you miss some libs or KDE dolphin is behind Gnome equivalent
[10:48] <TornadoXubuntu> Not with dolphin obviously. It was opened using F-spot i remember but F-spot is not working under kubuntu; causing for me fatal errors
[10:48] <annma> tell me what happens here
[10:48] <annma> F-spot???
[10:48] <annma> what the hell is this
[10:48] <TornadoXubuntu> http://f-spot.org/
[10:49] <TornadoXubuntu> Photo manager for Gnome
[10:50] <TornadoXubuntu> Hey annma, just forget it... thanks for your help and your time up there.
[12:38] <BlouBlou> is there any option to set my windows don't appear in all the virtual desktops?
[12:39] <Peace-> BlouBlou: yes
[12:39] <BlouBlou> Peace-: can you tell me how to do it please? :P
[12:39] <Peace-> screenshot one moment please :P
[12:40] <BlouBlou> okay
[12:41] <Peace-> BlouBlou: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/04/18/plasma4.jpeg
[12:42] <BlouBlou> lol, I had in fron of my noise
[12:42] <BlouBlou> thanks Peace-:P
[12:42] <Peace-> :P
[12:47] <bittin> is next Kubuntu gonna run Unity or KDE?
[12:47] <raxsys> hi piple
[12:47] <bittin> hi
[12:48] <Pici> bittin: Unity is a shell for GNOME.
[12:48] <bittin> ah
[12:48] <bittin> when will 11.04 release?
[12:48] <bittin> also has shipit closed?
[12:48] <Peace-> bittin: kde
[12:49] <Peace-> bittin: kde can be all the stuff you want
[12:49] <Peace-> look this is kde
[12:49] <bittin> i know what kde is
[12:49] <Peace-> http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/5579/kunity2.png
[12:49] <Pici> bittin: April 28th. Yes.
[12:49] <bittin> nice
[12:50] <Pici> !shipit
[12:50] <Peace-> bittin: or this https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_5TpWn9MxsFs/TY-PU-GVb7I/AAAAAAAAAMk/Fsr0-gwrdes/s720/GNOMIFIED.png
[12:50] <Peace-> or this bittin https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_5TpWn9MxsFs/TZa_NmMtX_I/AAAAAAAAANY/WjjRDQNx-BU/s720/lxded.png
[12:50] <Peace-> xD
[12:50] <bittin> then i can update my Grandparents Kubuntu box before iam going home
[12:51] <Peace-> all these screenshot are kde based
[12:51] <Peace-> s
[12:51] <Peace-> and here bittin you can find stuff to customize panels and plasma for each user http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2011/04/17/kde-configure-panels-in-gnome-way-configure-kde-desktop-for-each-user/
[12:51] <bittin> its ok :p
[12:52] <bittin> i was just joking :(
[12:52] <Peace-> LOL
[13:47] <BluesKaj> Hiya folks
[13:49] <rikva> i'm using the kubuntu-ppa backports repository with kubuntu maverick, and I would like to install konqueror, but this breaks some dependencies. Are there any workarounds?
[13:50] <BluesKaj> rikva, why the ppa , konqueror is available in the default repos
[13:51] <rikva> BluesKaj: I have KDE 4.6 from the ppa installed
[13:51] <rikva> and now I would like to use konqueror as a filemanager
[13:52] <BluesKaj> yes , are you sure the ppa is causing your dependency problem ?
[13:52] <rikva> but konqueror is not available in the ppa
[13:52] <rikva> so I get a dependency problem
[13:52] <rikva> because kdecore is newer or something like that
[13:53] <BluesKaj> no, it's avaiable in te default repos , uncheck the ppa in your package manager , and update then try to install konqueror
[13:54] <rikva> that will cause a downgrade of the kde core
[13:54] <BluesKaj> that's odd I jave kde 4.6 on natty and konqueror is available in the package manager
[13:54] <BluesKaj> have
[13:55] <rikva> yeah, it's available, but not in the ppa
[13:56] <rikva> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+index?start=75&batch=75
[14:02] <BluesKaj> rikva, welrik ok , you're using a specific keyed backport that doesn't hold konqueror. Remove it from your package manager/sources.list , then try this general ppa backport , which has no signing key . Run this command : sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[14:03] <BluesKaj> well ok
[14:04] <rikva> I think I'm using that specific backport right npw
[14:04] <rikva> now*
[14:05] <rikva> BluesKaj: never mind, I'll wait for the upcoming kubuntu release ;)
[14:05] <rikva> thanks anyway
[14:05] <BluesKaj> yes rikva , you need to disable it and use the general purpose one that I use \
[14:06] <BluesKaj> why give up now ?
[14:07] <rikva> BluesKaj: I'll upgrade in a few weeks anyway
[14:07] <BluesKaj> rikva, you can upgrade now ...it's quite stable
[14:08] <BluesKaj> but I don't understand why you won't do what I suggest , what's preventing it ?
[14:08] <rikva> well, I /am/ using the general ppa backport
[14:09] <rikva> i just doesn't provide konqueror
[14:09] <BluesKaj> then you have other dependency probs , rikva , run sudo dpkg --configure -a
[14:10] <BluesKaj> have you looked in kpackagekit for konqueror ?
[14:10] <bazhang> BluesKaj, apt-cache search should work as well, correct?
[14:12] <rikva> kpackagekit is just a frontend, I use aptitude
[14:12] <bazhang> aptitude search then
[14:13] <rikva> look, the problem is very clear to me: ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports does not provide konqueror, the regular repository does, but it's version is older than the kde-core packages from the ppa
[14:13] <BluesKaj> rikva, yes but if you want to find whether the package is available the  package manager is always a good reference
[14:13] <rikva> that results in a dependency problem
[14:14] <rikva> yeah, it's available, the 4.5.1 version
[14:14] <rikva> from the maverick repo
[14:15] <BluesKaj> ok rikva , if you already know the answer why are you here asking ?  Maybe you should run sudo dist-upgrade after updating
[14:15] <rikva> i appreciate your help but I'll just wait for the next ubuntu release, I'll reinstall anyway.
[14:16]  * BluesKaj shrugs
[14:17] <rikva> I ment kubuntu, of course ;)
[14:17] <rikva> meant
[15:08] <BajK> what's the reason for the shutdown not working when pressing the off button?
[15:08] <BajK> I set the thing to shut down when pressing th eoff button
[15:09] <BajK> but all that happens is thet plasma freezes (i.e. i then cannot open kickoff to manually shutdown anymore) and thats it
[15:09] <BajK> and of course, standby doesnt work
[15:09] <BajK> and suspend to disk doesnt work either ..
[15:11] <BluesKaj> BajK, have you upgraded to KDE4.6 , if so then do another dist-upgrade and reboot
[15:11] <BajK> it is 4.6.2 and is running for a few weeks now
[15:12] <BluesKaj> yeah, I had the same issue
[15:12] <BajK> hm, arent those acpi procedures standardized? can this be so hard?
[15:12] <BajK> a notebook without standby or suspend to disk is useless..
[15:13] <Pici> Sorry for the noise.
[15:13] <BluesKaj> usr15 didn't make it :)
[15:14] <BajK> and the multitouchpad is also not recognized properly
[15:14] <BajK> and screen brightness also did not work out of the box
[15:15] <BajK> not to mention hybrid graphics ...
[15:16] <BluesKaj> and , did you run dist-upgrade and apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade ?
[15:16] <BajK> why would I do that?
[15:16] <BajK> have there recently been updates, like an hour ago?
[15:17] <BluesKaj> then don't ... must be a full moon
[15:17] <BajK> ?!
[15:18] <BajK> BluesKaj: what's the point of that that dist upgrade?
[15:19] <BluesKaj> upgrades kde
[15:19] <BajK> to what version?
[15:19] <Pici> Its not a release upgrade.
[15:19] <Pici> !dist-upgrade
[15:20] <BluesKaj> ok sry, it updates...it gives the wrong impression
[15:22] <irctester> testing
[15:23] <Pici> !test | irctester
[15:23] <BluesKaj> test is successful , irctester
[15:23] <irctester> thanks ;-)
[15:31] <nemon82> test
[15:34] <BluesKaj> nemon82, check the command again , above
[15:34] <Gurkeee> hi
[16:10] <beanLUCE>  hi. is there a .deb package of kdevelop 3.x for ubuntu 10.10 ?
[16:11] <DarthFrog> beanLUCE: I don't know what version it is, but there is a kdevelop package for Natty.
[16:12] <beanLUCE> DarthFrog: I'm searching for a 3.x version
[16:12] <beanLUCE> not the 4.x one
[16:13] <DarthFrog> I see.
[16:14] <annma> why do you want a kdevelop 3 version
[16:14] <DarthFrog> Just an idle question, why do you prefer the 3.x version?
[16:14] <beanLUCE> DarthFrog: too many reasons
[16:15] <annma> doesn't it depend on kde3?
[16:18] <RalfJ> Hi everyone!
[16:18] <RalfJ> does anyone know why almost all packets vanished from https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa ?
[16:21] <yofel> RalfJ: if you're looking for KDE 4.5.5 in maverick it's in maverick-proposed now
[16:21] <yofel> see bug 757065
[16:22] <RalfJ> I always though proposed is rather... unstable? I usually include only backports
[16:23] <yofel> it is, -proposed are updates that are being tested, not sure why the PPA was cleaned out before the packages made it to -updates
[16:23] <RalfJ> is kubuntu-backports with KDE 4.6 stable enough for everyday use?
[16:24] <yofel> most people say it is, and it should be, although we obviously can't test every system out there
[16:24] <RalfJ> sure - thanks a lot for your quick replies!
[16:26] <BluesKaj> RalfJ,I se kde4.6 with no probs except the odd graphical anomaly like titlebar colours not filling in etc
[16:26] <BluesKaj> use
[16:27] <RalfJ> hm, thatd still be a step backwords... OTOH it doesnt seem to be too common or the blogs would be full of complaints^^
[16:27] <BluesKaj> RalfJ, no freezes or crashes so far
[16:28] <RalfJ> well then, 450MiB download :D
[16:29] <BluesKaj> RalfJ, :)
[16:34] <Guest38617> hi
[16:43] <Guest38617> how to install kubuntu themes tar.gz.
[16:45] <BluesKaj> Guest38617, unpack with ark , then follow the reame instructions in the reulting folder
[16:45] <BluesKaj> err readme
[16:48] <delac> where in my home folder is the configuration file that contains width and height of the desktop panels?
[16:52] <BluesKaj> delac, non that i know of , just right click on a space on the title bar of the app or folder and choose advanced/special windowsettings or special application settings and choose position , size or whatever parameters yopu want to set and what duration in the drop down
[16:53] <genii-around> The top icon on the pop-out toolbar for the panel also. Click and hold, drag panel to desired size
[16:57] <delac> BluesKaj: uh, I'm not sure if that applies to my problem?
[16:58] <delac> genii-around: yes, I know I can change it from there but I'd still like to know where the setting is stored
[17:00] <BluesKaj> delac, I forgot to mention to size the panel to the desired placement dimensions first , then do the windows/apps settings
[17:01] <BluesKaj> but I guess that immaterial , since you want to find the config , of which I have no idea, delac
[17:02] <BluesKaj> BBL...lunchtime
[17:03] <delac> BluesKaj: lunchtime... yes, you are right! :)
[17:08] <RalfJ> ouch, german translations of kdevelop are somehow conflicting in kubuntu backports PPA...
[17:08] <RalfJ> where to report the bug?^^
[17:09] <annma> RalfJ: tell me exactly the problem
[17:09] <annma> the translations are done in KDE
[17:10] <RalfJ> the kdevelop-data from kubuntu backports and the german kdevelop lokalization files are conflciting
[17:10] <RalfJ> I suspect the latter are coming from the "original" ubuntu repos
[17:10] <annma> what do you mean "coflicting"
[17:10] <RalfJ> but, they are not marked as "conflciting". installing just fails as they both contain he same file.
[17:10] <annma> ah OK
[17:10] <annma> a package problem then
[17:10] <RalfJ> yes
[17:10] <RalfJ> same is true for kdevplatform packets
[17:10] <annma> report to the packager maybe
[17:11] <RalfJ> it seems kdeveloüp-data already contains all the translations I need... at least it adds a bunch of fiels to some locale/de/ directory
[17:11] <RalfJ> through what channel? launchpad?
[17:12] <annma> not sure, I am very new to Kubuntu
[17:12] <yofel> RalfJ: what's teh actual error?
[17:13] <annma> oh this is the packager
[17:13] <Gurke> hi
[17:13] <yofel> and PPA bugs go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/
[17:13] <RalfJ> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdevelop-l10n-de_4%3a4.1.2-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1_all.deb (--unpack):
[17:13] <RalfJ>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/kdevgdb.mo', which is also in package kdevelop-data 4:4.2.0-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1
[17:13] <RalfJ> and some similar ones
[17:13] <RalfJ> kk, thanks yofel!
[17:13] <FloodBotK2> RalfJ: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:13] <Guest78452> !pastebin | Ralf J
[17:13] <RalfJ> sorry but, I thought two lines were okay.
[17:14] <RalfJ> *bot
[17:14] <Guest78452> it  is 6 lines
[17:14] <yofel> floodbot reacts already at 3 lines, and it was 4
[17:14] <RalfJ> the others I typed sequentially
[17:14] <yofel> yeah, but too fast
[17:14] <Guest78452> !pastebin | Ralf J
[17:14] <RalfJ> ^^ okay
[17:14] <RalfJ> yes, Guest78452, I saw it :)
[17:14] <Guest78452> ok
[17:15] <annma> excellent work on Natty yofel
[17:15] <yofel> RalfJ: hm, yeah, we dropped kdevelop-l10n but didn't make it remove the old packages first
[17:16] <RalfJ> yeah, I figured the "conflicts with" or how its called in the packet metadata is missing
[17:16] <yofel> annma: not me alone, drop a compliment in #kubuntu-devel too ;)
[17:16] <yofel> RalfJ: would be 'Breaks/Replaces' in this case, but yes, exactly that's missing
[17:19] <RalfJ> yofel: reported at https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/764820
[17:19] <yofel> I'll look at it
[17:19] <RalfJ> kk, thanks for all your work :)
[17:20] <RalfJ> Ill be right back, loading the newly upgraded KDE 4.6
[17:25] <jacobw> hullo, i'm having trouble unzipping an archive
[17:25] <jacobw> ark just won't accept that its a an archive with contents
[17:26] <genii-around> delac: .kde/share/config/plasma-desktoprc
[17:28] <Guest78452> hi
[17:30] <shadeslayer> Guest78452: hey
[17:30] <Guest78452> hi
[17:32] <Guest78452> sb know where the kde conf wallpaper files are
[17:32] <Guest78452> not the user specific files
[17:35] <Gurke_> hello
[17:35] <Gurke_> does sb know where the kde conf files are
[17:37] <James147> Gurke_: ~/.kde ^^
[17:38] <Gurke_> no dont meant the user specific files
[17:38] <Gurke_> instead of the generel specific files
[17:42] <Gurke_> hello
[17:42] <Gurke_> question
[17:44] <James147> Gurke_: "kde4-config --path config"
[17:44] <Gurke_> what
[17:44] <Gurke_> i want set wallpaper
[17:45] <Gurke_> for ALL users with command but hoq
[17:45] <Gurke_> how
[17:45] <James147> Gurke_: ^^ that command tells you where kde looks for config files
[17:48] <Gurke_> CANt find
[17:48] <Gurke_> the file
[17:50] <Gurke_> found now
[17:50] <Gurke_> thanks
[17:54] <RalfJ> BluesKaj: update seems to have worked fine :) Im not really liking the new dolphin look (the buttons got smaller, but the new space is totally unused) and I think itll take me some time to get used to the new look of the activated window in the panel
[17:54] <RalfJ> but, its working, inlcuding compositing, nice :)
[17:57] <James147> RalfJ: which buttons got smaller?
[17:57] <basso> whats in store for kubuntu 11.04?
[17:57] <Rennon> Hey there, I'm having a problem with Kubuntu
[17:57] <RalfJ> I'l mainly notice the one for "go up one folder" - it doesnt have the text next to it anymore
[17:57] <James147> !ask | Rennon
[17:57] <RalfJ> which reduced it to aout 1/4 of its old size
[17:58] <James147> RalfJ: the toolbars then? thats configurable.. jsut right click a blank part of the toolbar
[17:58] <BluesKaj> RalfJ, you canchoose different themes/looks in /system settings/worspace appearance//window decoration
[17:58] <RalfJ> I selected "with Text"
[17:58] <RalfJ> oh, its not bad, just different, BluesKaj :)
[18:00] <Rennon> I downloaded and put Kubuntu onto a USB key and loaded it up in my netbook, except it showed a netbook like interface like UNR or Jolicloud, which was strange because I made sure I didn't download any special netbook version, so instead I installed the Kubuntu desktop environment from synaptic in Ubuntu 10.10 and I had the option to log into the KDE environment but it was the same- a very netbook-configured interface without a file
[18:00] <Rennon> manager
[18:02] <James147> Rennon: kubuntu (and kubuntu-desktop) install both the desktop and netbook version and use which ever it thinks is best suited for your computer... you can configure which to use in System settings > workspace
[18:03] <Rennon> ahh okay, thanks!
[18:03] <James147> (since the only difference between them is running either plasma-netbook or plasma-desktop they merged the images into one)
[18:03] <James147> :P
[18:17] <Guest46392> ubuntu rockz!
[18:17] <delac> genii-around: you were almost right. the panel will appear in plasma-desktoprc after they are created, but the width/height settings there do not affect anything. the real settings are in plasma-desktop-appletsrc. just find matching ids
[18:18] <BluesKaj> Guest46392, don't you mean Kubuntu rockz :) ?
[18:19] <Guest46392> yes kubuntu i meant
[18:20] <Apollonovich> I just added the ppa/kde backports repo to my apt sources...it now gives me a long list of kde related updates, but many are blocked.  When I try to install the non-blocked ones, it fails over "dependency resolution" because it's not allowed to remove  libqt4-multimedia.  any suggestions?
[18:21] <genii-around> delac: Ah, good
[18:21] <James147> Apollonovich: run in a terminal "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[18:22] <Apollonovich> uh...wont' that update me to maverick?
[18:22] <BluesKaj> nope, that updates kde
[18:22] <Apollonovich> I'm trying to track just the LTS releases.
[18:22] <James147> Apollonovich: dist-upgrade will not upgrade to the next version of kubuntuy, only upgrade packages
[18:22] <Apollonovich> huh
[18:22] <Apollonovich> ok
[18:23]  * James147 notes that its names that for historic reasons
[18:23] <Apollonovich> huh...looks like that'll work.  thanks.
[18:24]  * BluesKaj remembers when dist-upgade ,upgraded to the next release
[18:33] <Guest46392> i have a question
[18:34] <Guest46392> i wanted to know is there a way not to use gnome 3 / unity ?? i dont think so, then i would upgrade kde
[18:34] <Guest46392> change
[18:35] <Guest46392> i
[18:35] <Apollonovich> you could always use fluxbox...
[18:35] <Guest46392> dont like
[18:37] <James147> Guest46392: well... the answer to your question is yes... you can use kde, fluxbox... or any other window manager/desktop enviroment... nothing forcing you to use gnome 3/unity
[18:37] <Guest46392> yes but gnome 2 can not use longer ??
[18:37] <Apollonovich> you could, but you prolly have to build it yourself.
[18:38] <Guest46392> ok
[18:38] <Guest46392> thanks so i change kde
[18:38] <James147> Guest46392: that wasnt your question :) ... and this is not the chanel to ask about gnome try asking at #ubuntu
[18:39] <James147> ^^ but I also have to ask, have you tried gnome3 or unity?
[18:39] <Guest46392> yes,
[18:39] <Guest46392> unity is ok, Gnome 3 i hate, kde is the best
[18:40] <Guest46392> nur gnome 2 masg ihch mehr als kde
[18:40] <Guest46392> aber ...
[18:46] <r4b3> join #minecraft
[18:47] <Guest46392> no
[18:47] <Guest46392> dont spam
[18:55] <Guest46392> Kubuntu rockz!
[18:57] <DiMarco> Just testing Quassel
[18:58] <DiMarco> Anyone knows how to restore KDE, sometimes loosing it when installing some tool from Gnome, whole desktop goes gnome?
[19:01] <jacobw> :|
[19:01] <DiMarco> :-(
[19:03] <jacobw> whole desktop goes gnome? or the qt style turns to gtk?
[19:04] <James147> jacobw: he left
[19:04] <jacobw> ah :(
[19:23] <GuestTH> Hi there. I hope for your help, even if my question isnt mostly about kubuntu... So, ive got a lot of files, named like "1", "2".. so on, without any extention. There are file of lot of types, but, happily, my kubuntu understen them and open in right app, not like Windows.. Are there any wys to automatically add property extentions to all of that files? Thank you for any help
[19:24] <James147> GuestTH: hmm, well, "file <filename>" on the command line will tell you what type of file it is
[19:25] <GuestTH> James147, thanks you, Btw i was to dummy for the easiest solution: "View" -- "sort..." -- "Type" =)
[19:25] <James147> :)
[19:30] <salvatore> ciao
[19:41] <jozefk> I can't install flash plugin with kpackagekit http://pzt.me/zsup
[19:42] <jozefk> this is 11.04
[19:42] <Pici> jozefk: 11.04 support is in #ubuntu+1 only at this time.
[20:02] <jozefk> which network manager we have in kubuntu (11.04)?
[20:02] <Pici> jozefk: Again. Please ask in #ubuntu+1 . #kubuntu is for released versions of Kubuntu only.
[20:18] <jozefk> what is the network manager in kubuntu 10.10?
[20:19] <James147> jozefk: "Network Manager" :)  ... the front end is the network manager widgets
[20:20] <jozefk> is it the same as in gnome?
[20:20] <jozefk> or unity?
[20:22] <James147> jozefk: ubuntu uses Networkmanager, but with a different front end
[20:22] <James147> 10.10 used nm-applet... dont know what 11.04 is going to use
[20:23] <jozefk> so it's the same. front end has nothing to do with functionality
[20:23] <James147> jozefk: partly ^^ if has to do with what features are exposed to the user
[20:24] <James147> (in a general case that is... most things try to expose as much as possible)
[20:24] <James147> jozefk: why do you ask?
[20:25] <jozefk> because my wifi signal is not so strong and I think different NMs works differently. some works better than others
[20:25] <jozefk> but if kubuntu and ubuntu use the same NM then there should be no difference about that
[20:25] <jozefk> I'll find out more info
[20:26] <James147> jozefk: should ^^ but they could configure nm differently... though I dont know why they would
[20:27] <jozefk> so the difference could come from different configuration?
[20:27] <jozefk> I think most of them works the same but wicd works terrible for me
[20:28] <James147> jozefk: could... but i cannot say that it does
[20:33] <jozefk> will reboot for a while
[20:44] <r5416> anyone know a good .swf editor I can use on Kubuntu?
[20:57] <r5416> Anyone know a good editor for flash files I can run on kubuntu?
[21:05] <marxjohnson> I dont think you can edit .swf files can you? There might be some .fla editors available though
[21:12] <Guest17380> hi question !!
[21:12] <r5416> really just looking for a program that will allow me to design them
[21:12] <r5416> .fla or .swf whichever
[21:13] <BluesKaj-den> flv
[21:18] <Raphi974> Hi everyone
[21:22] <Guest17380> hi  raphi974
[21:22] <Guest17380> !ask | Raphi974
[21:23] <Raphi974> Guest17380: I know the rules, don't worry. But thanks
[21:23] <Guest17380> ok
[21:23] <Guest17380> no problem ha
[21:25] <Raphi974> _Q_ : I can't change the brightness on my laptop under KDE (Gnome is OK). Config : Asus G53, Kubuntu Natty 11.04 Beta
[21:26] <Raphi974> xev sees the xf86BrightnessUP/Down key
[21:26] <Raphi974> but does nothing
[21:34] <BluesKaj-den> Raphi974, did you ask in #ubuntu+1 ? , that's the natty 11.04 channel
[21:51]  * stephdg away - sleeping
[21:57] <BlouBlou> how to search a file with kubuntu? ubuntu has gnome-search-tool, I think there should be it but for KDE
[21:57] <BlouBlou> !away > stephdg
[21:58] <James147> BlouBlou: dolphin > crtl+f   or use kfind
[21:59]  * James147 notes that the krunner and the kmenu can also search for files
[22:02] <BlouBlou> James147: I don't find what I was searching for, maybe you can help me. Do you know where does quassel save logs?
[22:03] <James147> BlouBlou: possibally in ~/.kde/share/apps/quassel  ^^
[22:04] <BlouBlou> quassel doesn't exist
[22:05] <James147> http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/projects/1/wiki/Quassel_Logging ^^ seems it stores them in a db
[22:06] <James147> BlouBlou: ~/.config/quassel-irc.org/
[22:08] <BlouBlou> James147: is there any option to disable it or to prevent being logged?
[22:08] <BlouBlou> James147: I don't find any info about that
[22:08] <James147> dont know
[22:12] <ubuntu>  who made kubuntu
[22:15] <BlouBlou> James147: and does it have any log-limit?
[22:16] <James147> BlouBlou: I think so
[22:18] <James147> BlouBlou: you may want to ask on #quassel
[22:18] <BlouBlou> James147: Yes, I am doing it, thanks for all the info you gave me :P
[22:27] <JasonO_> Did someone Ping me?
[22:31] <GDorn> should I ask about a konsole problem I'm having here, or somewhere else?  I'm not actually running kubuntu, but I'm using konsole under ubuntu.
[22:33] <r5416> Ask away
[22:34] <GDorn> well, anyway, when I try to "open link" on an http:// url (e.g. from this channel's topic), it saves the contents of the url to /var/tmp/kdecache-username and then opens that in firefox with file:///var/tmp/kdecache-username/krun/[...]
[22:34] <GDorn> it only does this on my ubuntu 10.10 machine; on my crunchbang 9.04 machine, it works correctly
[22:37] <GDorn> I see a really old bug that seems to be similar, but never resolved: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=181362
[22:37] <vbgunz> holy cow. I have a lan and wireless connection and about 700 times a day, I am clicking OK on a secret dialog. seriously. whats up with that?
[22:53] <GDorn> nevermind, I'll just switch to terminator.  it works.
[23:25] <Fritz1793> hello
[23:26] <gabriel> Hello again =0)
[23:27] <Fritz1793> hi
[23:27] <gabriel> How do you utilize a second monitor? I have the drivers working...
[23:29] <James147> gabriel: which drivers?
[23:29] <gabriel> I wish to use an aircraft wimulator on one, and a resource hgging editor in the other, but all I can get is a black screen with an X shaped cursor
[23:29] <Fritz1793> did you try desktop effects in system settings?
[23:29] <Fritz1793> actually multiple desktops in system settings
[23:29] <gabriel> no. Will try that! thanks.
[23:30] <gabriel> I think that is the one I tried. I think I just have set something badly.
[23:31] <James147> gabriel: which drivers?
[23:31] <gabriel> I did Nvidia install with the hardware druiver utility thing.
[23:32] <gabriel> hold for version
[23:32] <James147> gabriel: configured as twinview or seprate screens?
[23:32] <gabriel> oopse, wrong chat...
[23:32] <gabriel> separate
[23:33] <James147> gabriel: use twinview, kde dosnt really support seprate screens yet
[23:33] <Fritz1793> would that be using multiple monitors in system settings?
[23:33] <gabriel> I have desktop effects enabled.
[23:34] <gabriel> that sounds very right.... Fritz
[23:34] <Fritz1793> ok just thought i'd ask since i'm relatively new to linux
[23:34] <gabriel> where is it? I lost it.
[23:35] <James147> gabriel: use twinview, kde dosnt really support seprate screens yet
[23:35] <Fritz1793> system settings -> display
[23:35] <James147> ^^ Fritz1793 that wont really work with nvidia
[23:35] <Fritz1793> ...
[23:36] <gabriel> can I use different desktops in that, or should I install Ubuntu 10.04 and do an in-place with Kubuntu-desktop?
[23:36] <Fritz1793> ok :/
[23:37] <Fritz1793> james147: does that work with integrated graphics and ati then?
[23:37] <James147> gabriel: just switch to twinview ... and everything should behaves as if you have two screens
[23:37] <James147> Fritz1793: not the proprity drivers very well
[23:37] <Fritz1793> james147: proprity drivers?
[23:38] <James147> Fritz1793: the non open ones
[23:38] <gabriel> oopse, I mean, can I use different desktops in twin view? This is for a job I'm creating, and I need a friendly and stable work environment.
[23:39] <James147> gabriel: kde will seprate the desktop back up and make it ack like two seprate screenss
[23:39] <James147> gabriel: try it and see ^^
[23:40] <gabriel> okay how?
[23:40] <gabriel> in the Nvidia settings?
[23:40] <James147> gabriel: run "kdesudo nvidia-settings"
[23:41] <gabriel> NICE! I get a nice pop-up asking for passwords.
[23:42] <gabriel> I like it, it's nicer than Gnome.
[23:43] <gabriel> Humm... could Xinerama be the problem? Maybe try it on or off?
[23:43] <James147> gabriel: you should turn it off if your using twinview
[23:44] <James147> ^^ Xinerama is largly depricated nowadays
[23:44] <gabriel> Uhh, I got an error, but it went awayand I can't find it...
[23:45] <gabriel> oh, it's not an error. gotta reboot =0)
[23:48] <gabriel> Okay! It seems a little backwards, but I actually like it. =0) THANKS!!!
[23:54] <James147> gabriel: backwards?
[23:57] <gabriel> yeah, I just realized that I put the left screen on the right side,
[23:58] <gabriel> Everything works though!!!
[23:58] <gabriel> Where is a good IRC Channel?
[23:58] <gabriel> just for chat I mean.
[23:59] <James147> gabriel: you can try #kubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:59] <gabriel> cool thanks!