[02:48] <doctormo> jussi: Where?
[02:54] <paultag> Howdy, world
[02:55] <pleia2> g'day paultag
[02:55] <paultag> pleia2: howdy doodie?
[02:56] <pleia2> good good
[03:01] <paultag> pleia2: sweet :)
[03:01] <paultag> pleia2: just taught one of the IT guys at the clinic how to do some cool stuff with ubuntu repos
[03:02] <paultag> pleia2: they have tablets to fill out information when you sit down (and sign paperwork and stuff), and they all run Ubuntu
[03:02] <pleia2> paultag: nice!
[03:02] <paultag> :)
[05:59] <jono> oi oi, folks
[05:59] <jono> I have a meme I want to kickstart - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/04/18/help-me-be-better-meme/
[05:59] <jono> encourage you all to join in :-)
[06:23] <duanedesign> hello jono
[06:23] <duanedesign> jono: get your contacts working?
[06:27] <jono> duanedesign, nope, still an issue
[06:27] <jono> I reopened the bug
[06:29] <duanedesign> :(
[06:30] <duanedesign> jono: liked your blog post. I left a comment.
[06:30] <duanedesign> .5
[06:33] <jono> thanks duanedesign :-)
[07:48] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:48] <nigelb> hello AlanBell
[07:51] <dholbach> good morning
[07:51] <nigelb> hi dholbach
[07:52] <nigelb> dholbach: Good WE? :)
[07:52] <dholbach> hey nigelb
[07:52] <dholbach> yes, it was great - how was yours?
[07:58] <nigelb> dholbach: It was awesome, good time with friends :-)
[08:00] <dholbach> nice
[08:57] <kim0> morning everyone
[08:59] <dholbach> hey kim0
[09:00] <kim0> dholbach: hey man :)
[09:00] <dholbach> hey dpm
[09:00] <dpm> hey dholbach
[09:00] <dpm> good morning all
[09:00] <dpm> hey kim0
[09:01] <kim0> dpm: hey o/
[10:12] <duanedesign> morning all
[10:16] <popey> morning
[10:16] <popey> hey duanedesign have you done any screencasts on unity yet?
[10:24] <nigelb> hey dpm,kim0 :)
[10:24] <nigelb> and hola popey and duanedesign
[10:24] <kim0> hey
[10:25] <popey> duanedesign: see bug 763579
[10:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 763579 in unity "Panel drop shadow causes issues for screencasting apps" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/763579
[10:25] <popey> the way the drop shadow is done seems a bit odd
[10:29] <AlanBell> it would be better not to have it imho
[10:29] <AlanBell> looks silly on the expo zoom out
[10:29] <popey> it would be better not to have the shadow round windows too
[10:29] <AlanBell> I like that
[10:29] <popey> snap two windows to either side of the screen
[10:29] <popey> the shadow from one goes over the other
[10:29] <popey> it looks stupid
[10:29] <AlanBell> yeah, interesting effect
[10:30] <AlanBell> shows which one has focus
[10:30] <AlanBell> and looks a bit stupid
[10:31] <nigelb> HEH
[10:39] <JanC> popey: that's more an issue of how multiple desktops are implemented IMO
[10:39] <popey> eh?
[10:39] <popey> its nothing to do with multiple desktops
[10:39] <AlanBell> indeed
[10:39] <JanC> oh, real screens?
[10:40] <popey> that bug is related to running recordmydesktop on a machine with one active screen/desktop
[10:40] <AlanBell> the shadow problem is because the top bar is drawn with nux, but the shadow of the top bar is not drawn with nux
[10:41] <popey> the shadow seems to be just a png overlaid on top afterwards
[10:41] <popey> which seems very odd
[10:41] <JanC> I meant the shadow on windows that are snapped to the border
[10:41] <popey> oh
[10:42] <popey> still not a multi-screen issue :)
[10:42] <popey> one screen, two windows snapped to left and right
[10:42] <popey> the shadow from the active window bleeds over the top of the other windows
[10:42] <popey> which i think is wrong when you have deliberately snapped windows like that
[10:43] <JanC> it also draws shadows on the next virtual screen it seems, that's what I meant ;)
[10:43] <popey> eww
[10:43] <popey> nice
[10:43] <AlanBell> fail!
[10:44] <popey> aren't drop shadows a bit web 2.0
[10:44] <popey> i.e. old
[10:44] <AlanBell> a bit OS X
[10:44] <popey> does OSX do them?
[10:44] <popey> never noticed
[10:44] <AlanBell> it does huge shadows
[10:44] <JanC> drop shadows are nice to set things apart
[10:45]  * popey looks for screenshots of this
[10:46] <AlanBell> 40px for the active window in osX apparently
[10:46]  * AlanBell wonders what it could possibly be set to in unity . . .
[10:48] <popey> A miiiiilllion pixels
[10:49]  * AlanBell crashes compiz
[10:51] <AlanBell> I wonder if it will be possible to use ccsm to actually change anything without a reboot by release time
[10:52] <JanC> reboot?
[10:52] <AlanBell> well a hard compiz crash
[10:52] <JanC> ah, I thought a real reboot... ☺
[10:53] <JanC> AlanBell: at least when it crashes all the leaked memory is gone too  ;)
[10:53] <AlanBell> well to all intents and purposes, if compiz crashes it is reboot time
[10:53] <jussi> shadows are so last year :P
[10:54] <AlanBell> yes I can go to a console or ssh in, change display settings and restart it and log in again, or just reboot
[10:55] <JanC> I'm almost permanently logged in on tty1 on natty  ;)
[10:55] <JanC> although, I haven't needed it for some time now
[10:56] <JanC> also, why change display settings?
[10:57] <AlanBell> because i want to simulate deuteranopia for example
[10:58] <Pendulum> AlanBell: you can use the lay-man's terms. even I had to look that one up :P
[10:58] <AlanBell> colour filters
[10:58] <JanC> and why log in again?
[10:58] <AlanBell> so I want to see what my application looks like to colour blind people for example
[10:58] <popey> as bad as it does for people without colour blindness I guess :D
[10:58] <AlanBell> true, compiz restarts don't log you out
[10:59] <JanC> shouldn't that just work when you (re)start compiz/unity?
[10:59] <AlanBell> cheeky popey
[10:59] <AlanBell> not the point, using ccsm shouldn't be a recipe for instacrash
[10:59] <JanC> but I agree that needing a console is not exactly a solution for most people  :-(
[11:01] <JanC> at least the alt+tab crashes seem to be gone
[11:33] <duanedesign> popey: hello
[11:34] <duanedesign> popey: i was about to move a couple that jorge did to the screencast site.
[11:38] <popey> duanedesign: they flicker horribly
[11:40] <duanedesign> hmm
[11:43] <popey> in the last week I've tried gtk-recordmydesktop, recordmydesktop, and ffmpeg, they all result in corrupt, rubbish looking video
[11:43] <popey> i even went so far as to buy a hardware capture device, a VGA2USB LR, which can capture directly from the VGA port to another computer
[11:43] <popey> this kinda works
[11:43] <duanedesign> popey: have you tried my script :)
[11:43] <popey> but I need to tune compiz to get the best out of it
[11:44] <popey> gimmie a link?
[11:44] <duanedesign> well, it uses ffmpeg so....
[11:44] <popey> here's my ffmpeg line....
[11:44] <duanedesign> It is what I hazve to use because recordmydesktop was not making very nice screencasts
[11:44] <popey> ffmpeg -f alsa -r 16000 -i hw:1,0 -f x11grab -r 25 -s 1280x720 -i :0.0 -vcodec huffyuv -sameq ~/Videos/`date +%y%m%d%H%M%S`-screencast.avi
[11:45] <popey> i ssh in from another machine, and do "export DISPLAY=:0.0" then run that script
[11:45] <popey> so you dont see any script running on the machine you're recording
[11:45] <duanedesign> popey: http://okiebuntu.homelinux.com/blog/?p=175
[11:45] <popey> I left it running for about an hour
[11:45] <popey> whilst I watched a youtube video
[11:46] <duanedesign> popey: that is a neat trick. I always just edit out the script showing at the end
[11:46] <duanedesign> i have it delay at the beginning long enough for me to switch workspaces
[11:46] <popey> yeah, i dont like editing :)
[11:47] <popey> switching workspaces wont help you in unity
[11:47] <popey> you'll still have a terminal open on the launcher
[11:47] <popey> your script looks similar to my one liner but you record to mpeg2 and not huffyuv
[11:47] <popey> i cant see much difference
[11:48] <popey> anyway the issue is more the overhead compiz places on the machine IMO
[11:48]  * duanedesign nods
[11:49] <duanedesign> i was getting bad screen 'tearing' and the audio would not line up
[11:52] <popey> will certainly try your script tonight
[11:52] <popey> thanks
[11:54] <popey> my goal is to make short videos that require no editing at all
[11:54] <popey> (I hate editing, and want to just upload a video when its recorded)
[12:00] <duanedesign> popey: let me know what you think, or if you make any changes. Their is a lot that is commented out. Some stuff other people wanted in the script.
[12:00] <duanedesign> most the stuff commented out is converting to different formats
[12:02] <popey> i just called my wife to switch on my desktop and ran the script remotely via ssh :D
[12:08] <duanedesign> :)
[12:18] <dholbach> popey, Technoviking, is https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-membership-boards being used?
[12:18] <dholbach> can we tick that off our list?
[12:18] <dholbach> it's a public list
[12:22] <dholbach> nevermind, keeping it on the TODO
[12:33] <popey> dholbach: nope
[12:42] <nhandler> dholbach: I'd check if everyone is actually subscribed to it. I only found out about it when it got mentioned in the last discussion we had
[12:46] <popey> duanedesign: tip, add the url to your blog post to your screencast script :)
[12:55] <popey> duanedesign: minor patch for you....
[12:55] <popey> baseName="`date +%Y%m%d`-`date +%H%M%S`-screencast" # default base filename for capture
[12:55] <popey> so you dont accidentially overwrite anything :)
[12:55] <popey> 20110418-125448-screencast.mpeg
[12:55] <popey> :)
[13:06] <kim0> Daviey: hey, I'm mirroring your server bugs post to a blog entry, sounds good ?
[13:07] <duanedesign> popey: thank you!
[13:11] <Daviey> kim0, feel free :)  thanks
[13:13] <akgraner> duanedesign, howdy - so I posted a couple short screen casts to FB...I'm getting there :-)  but they aren't nearly as good as popey's or relaxed as much as jcastro's, but I am having fun..
[13:14] <popey> akgraner: at least your machine can record them! :D
[13:14] <popey> akgraner: I'm gonna try duanedesign's script tonight
[13:14] <akgraner> popey, :-)
[13:15] <akgraner> oh yeah he does have a handy dandy script...maybe I should try that as well
[13:22] <akgraner> popey, let's hope my new machine will be as screencast friendly
[13:22] <akgraner> my dell has finally lost it's mind and just rebots on my 5 times a day
[13:23] <akgraner> (I think it's still overheating but the little gizmo I used to use doesn't work or has been deprecated or something in natty..and I haven't installed anything new yet so I can see...:-/
[13:24] <akgraner> s/rebots/reboots even
[13:24]  * jussi recently got a new work machine - its very nice :)
[13:27] <jussi> http://www.trustedreviews.com/HP-ProBook-5320m_Laptop_review
[13:28] <popey> wheeee
[13:28] <popey> work just asked me to work from home from 4pm till midnight, on call
[13:28] <popey> this means I get to go home now and play with screencasting
[13:28] <popey> \o/
[13:29] <kim0> jussi: "Mediocre image quality" is a feature ?!
[13:29] <jussi> kim0: ?
[13:29] <kim0> on that link
[13:29] <kim0> first feature
[13:29] <jussi> oh lol
[13:29] <kim0> weirdo
[13:31] <jussi> no - I guess its referring to the 1366x768 panel
[13:31] <jussi> I wish it was a little better, but I mostly use it in the office with my 1920x1080 screen...
[13:32] <nigelb> jussi: darn, you're on irc.mozilla.org too :p
[13:32] <jussi> Im _everywhere_ :P :P
[13:32] <Pendulum> nigelb: trying to find places you can ascii? :P
[13:32] <nigelb> Pendulum: haha, good point :p
[13:32] <jussi> /aq Pendulum
[13:32] <jussi> :P
[13:32] <nigelb> Pendulum: but there is that channel jussi has... :p
[13:33] <nigelb> bah, I crossed another significant milestone
[13:33] <jussi> I swear I should setup #ubuntu-ascii and banforward popey and dholbach there :P :P
[13:33] <nigelb> I now need to zoom out of terminal twice to see all my tabs on irc
[13:33] <jussi> nigelb: you went "over the hill"?
[13:33] <nigelb> jussi: ok, I'm safe then :p
[13:33] <nigelb> jussi: haha
[13:34]  * popey figlet Hugs 4 Jussi
[13:34] <popey> :D
[13:34] <jussi> haha
[13:34]  * popey took a lot of power to resist that
[13:34] <nigelb> heh
[13:35] <jussi> oooh... todays xkcd is awesome :D
[14:43] <popey> checked duanedesign and i get the same issue, the stupid drop shadow at the top of the screen
[16:01] <jono> kim0, about ready?
[16:01] <kim0> jono: yeah
[16:01] <dholbach> hey jono
[16:02] <jono> hey dholbach
[16:14] <popey> duanedesign: http://popey.com/~alan/screencasts/20110418-160020-screencast.avi
[16:14] <popey> its not your script, nothing seems to be able to video unity properly
[16:15] <popey> be interested to know how akgraner does it
[16:15] <popey> (chances are I suspect akgraner doesn't have an nvidia card)
[16:16] <AlanBell> run it in virtualbox, video from the outside
[16:17] <AlanBell> I was going to suggest the compiz video recording plugin, but that won't see unity
[16:17] <popey> ugh@vbox
[16:18] <popey> i was trying to get away from that
[16:19] <popey> what's the best way to run unity in vbox these days?
[16:19] <AlanBell> yeah, sorry, only suggestion I can think of that will actually work
[16:19] <jcastro> I read something about needing beta guest extensions or something like that
[16:19] <popey> happy to try it
[16:20] <AlanBell> install natty, then in natty install virtualbox-ose-guest-x11
[16:20] <popey> all 3d works?
[16:20] <AlanBell> do not screw about with any other kind of guest additions on the host
[16:20] <AlanBell> yes, all 3d works
[16:21] <AlanBell> all you have to do is install that package inside the guest
[16:21] <popey> what iso would you install from?
[16:21] <AlanBell> desktop amd64
[16:21] <popey> and which vbox?
[16:21] <popey> yeah, beta 1, 2, daily?
[16:22] <AlanBell> daily, but any would work
[16:22] <popey> and you use vbox from the repo?
[16:22] <popey> i have vbox 4 from 3rd party repo here
[16:22] <AlanBell> I am using the 3rd party one
[16:22] <AlanBell> it doesn't matter that it isn't ose
[16:23] <AlanBell> it is still the same graphics driver that needs loading in the guest
[16:23] <popey> thanks
[16:23] <AlanBell> and the "install guest additions" thing in the virtualbox user interface won't have the drivers for natty
[16:24] <popey> tick the box for 'enable 3d acceleration' ?
[16:24] <popey> for the vm
[16:24] <AlanBell> but as they are packaged up and in the natty repos the guest can get to them
[16:24] <AlanBell> yeah tick that
[16:24] <popey> any other twiddles?
[16:24] <AlanBell> nope
[16:24] <popey> gave it 4GB RAM and 128MB video ram
[16:24] <AlanBell> plenty
[16:24]  * popey wonders if the rdp server might be an optoion
[16:24] <popey> or an option
[16:25] <AlanBell> that should work
[16:25] <popey> will play with that later
[16:25] <AlanBell> unless it is broken for 3d in general
[16:25] <AlanBell> but it should see unity as well as it would see any 3d guest operating system
[16:26]  * popey hugs Virgin cable for 2.3MB/s download during the day
[16:28] <AlanBell> would be nice if Ubuntu detected it was running in virtualbox and grabbed that package on installation
[16:28] <popey> uhm
[16:28] <popey> VERR_VMX_MSR_LOCKED_OR_DISABLED
[16:28] <popey> thats nice
[16:29] <AlanBell> oh, you don't have vmx?
[16:29] <popey> i jolly well do
[16:30] <popey> too much ram
[16:30] <popey> wound that down a bit and its okay
[16:31] <popey> uh
[16:31] <popey> now its complaining that i dont have an x86-64 cpu
[16:32] <AlanBell> did you select ubuntu (64 bit)
[16:32] <AlanBell> as the os type
[16:32] <popey> ah, no
[16:32] <popey> didnt spot that, thanks
[16:33] <popey> uh
[16:33] <popey> now its moaning that I dont have vmx
[16:33] <popey> yet I do
[16:34] <popey> "your vt-x/amd-v hardware acceleration has been enabled, but is not operational. Your 64-bit guest will fail to detect a 64-bit CPU and will not be able to boot"
[16:37] <popey> nothing in my bios to set/unset that
[16:38] <akgraner> popey, nope I have an intel card...
[16:38] <mhall119> akgraner: are you guys going through JFK to Budapest?
[16:39] <popey> AlanBell: you running 2.6.38 generic?
[16:39] <AlanBell> 2.6.35-28-generic
[16:39] <AlanBell> on the host
[16:39] <AlanBell> 32 bit as well
[16:40] <AlanBell> Linux maverick 2.6.35-28-generic #50-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 18 19:00:26 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
[16:40] <popey> i had to rmmod the kvm and kvm_intel modules
[16:40] <popey> but I have never had vbox complain about not being able to set vmx before on this box
[16:40] <AlanBell> ah
[16:40] <popey> and kvm works
[16:40] <popey> still no worky
[16:42] <AlanBell> and we haven't got to the Natty bit yet :-/
[16:42] <popey> my box is on natty
[16:42] <popey> host that is
[16:42] <AlanBell> oh, right
[16:42] <popey> its times like this I want to format all my disks and go and live in the woods
[16:42]  * popey reboots into maverick to see if that helps
[16:42] <AlanBell> this should "just work"
[16:43] <popey> ok, i can 'continue' in vbox, but it thinks i have no vmx
[16:43] <popey> gah
[16:43] <popey> and back to the 'its not 64-bit' issue
[16:44] <AlanBell> or, use 32bit in the guest
[16:45] <popey> yeah
[16:45] <popey> somtimes this tinkering is fun, sometimes it just feels like a massive waste of time
[16:46] <popey> oh jeez
[16:46] <popey> booting into maverick I get nothing on the screen
[16:46] <popey> need an xorg.conf becuase the nvidia driver doesnt like my displays
[16:47] <AlanBell> you are in a maze of twisty passages, there are exits to the north and east
[16:48] <popey> \o/ copied xorg.conf from natty partition
[16:48] <popey> golly, this is nice and fast
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[16:48] <AlanBell> you have just been eaten by a gru
[16:49] <popey> wow, i had forgotten how fast 10.10 is :(
[16:52] <popey> oh, my bad, this is 10.04 :)
[16:54] <popey> Interestingly that what i typed 'natty' as the description of the VM, Vbox 'knew' this was Ubuntu :)
[16:55] <popey> bah
[16:56] <popey> still says its not capable of 64-boit
[16:56] <popey> *bit
[16:57] <popey> http://pastebin.com/Xyf39w6K
[16:59] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/595564/
[17:00]  * popey gets the 32-bit iso
[17:00] <popey> might be better running this in 10.04 anyway, less overhead from unity/compiz/nu
[17:01] <AlanBell> yup
[17:04]  * popey switches on ffm and revels in the fact that it actually still works in 10.04
[17:06] <AlanBell> so focus follows mouse means that you don't have to click in windows to give them focus?
[17:07] <AlanBell> which means you can't type in one window mouse over another and scroll with the mouse wheel without moving back again?
[17:07] <akgraner> Jfo, Jono, jcastro et all - Here's the links to the ChipIn Page for Van Hoof  - http://akgraner.com/?p=917
[17:07] <AlanBell> and if your mouse drifts out of the window you are typing in your keystrokes go somewhere else?
[17:08] <jcastro> akgraner: ta!
[17:08] <jono> akgraner, oh my god, I didn't know that happened
[17:08] <akgraner> yep...ac unity crashed in on them during the tornado
[17:09] <popey> AlanBell: yes, but!
[17:09] <popey> AlanBell: you may notice that even with FFM _off_ you can still scroll a window without clicking it
[17:09] <AlanBell> yes, I do
[17:09] <akgraner> jono He just called us a few mins ago..the are very shook up..but safe and are staying with his parents atm
[17:09] <AlanBell> and I can still type in the first one
[17:09] <popey> which is even more infuriating because those of us who use ffm will do that then expect that typing will result in stuff in that window
[17:10] <JFo> akgraner, already posted about it :)
[17:10] <popey> yes, which is duff
[17:10] <popey> i386 installing btw
[17:10] <akgraner> JFo,  thanks!
[17:10] <jcastro> akgraner: sent, thanks!
[17:10] <JFo> akgraner, :)
[17:10] <JFo> akgraner, was it a total loss or do they know yet?
[17:11] <AlanBell> I quite often type in one window and scroll up and down a web page or pdf manual with the mouse
[17:11] <popey> which is half-arsed ffm
[17:12] <AlanBell> or a happy medium ymmv
[17:13] <AlanBell> I can even scroll different windows in a virtualbox vm with the text focus staying in a window in the host
[17:13] <maco> wow
[17:14] <maco> popey: if you use alt+tab and are using focus follows mouse (not focus under mouse), then its not bad...
[17:14] <Pendulum> akgraner: oh no :(
[17:14] <AlanBell> has that chipin page been tweeted akgraner?
[17:14] <maco> though iirc, gnome has no distinction between focus follows mouse, focus under mouse, and focus strictly under mouse
[17:15] <akgraner> AlanBell, not yet..doing that now...
[17:16] <popey> the whole point of ffm maco is that you _don't_ use alt-tab
[17:16] <popey> or click on windows, at all
[17:16] <popey> you just put the mouse over the one you want to use and use it
[17:16] <AlanBell> I will have to code up some retweet functionality in circleoffriends
[17:16] <maco> popey: if the window you're currently on is maximised, you kinda have to use alt+tab...
[17:16] <maco> i mean, how do you get your mouse over a completely hidden window?
[17:16] <maco> i use a combination of ffm & alt+tab
[17:16] <popey> i dont have maximised windows
[17:16] <maco> oh, see, i maximise most windows
[17:16] <popey> well, i do, but its full screen on its own display
[17:16] <jono> akgraner, I will get the word out about the ChipIn page
[17:16] <maco> except umm..irc
[17:17] <maco> and if i had an im client open regularly, that wouldnt be maxed either
[17:17] <JFo> akgraner, just talked to krafty, he is fine as well, his roof is leaking a little, but other than that...
[17:17] <JFo> he said the whole building had been evacuated
[17:18] <JFo> I assume they will do a structural integrity check
[17:18] <maco> though, if i use a tiling window manager, then its definitely ffm. though xmonad has the possibility of moving keyboard-focus and mouse-focus independently
[17:18] <maco> can scroll the mouse on one window while typing in another because the focuses aren't tied together
[17:20] <akgraner> done twitted and dented
[17:20] <akgraner> JFo, yep that's what we heard...:-)
[17:21] <popey> hmm, the wording on the fallback screen still needs work
[17:21] <JFo> akgraner, thought I remembered you telling me that
[17:21] <popey> "It seems you do not have the hardware required to run Unity. Please choose Ubuntu Classic at the login screen and you will be using the traditional environment."
[17:21] <JFo> heh
[17:21] <akgraner> JFo,  all I know is what you all know as soon as I find out more you'll know :-)
[17:21] <JFo> :-P
[17:23] <JFo> <-hopped up on coffee
[17:23] <JFo> I am having to retype everything due to spelling errors
[17:23] <JFo> bzzzz
[17:23] <JFo> :)
[17:25]  * AlanBell expects popey to be booting into a 3d unity about nowish
[17:26] <akgraner> thanks jono!
[17:28] <popey> :) yup
[17:28] <AlanBell> yay \o/
[17:28] <JFo> ooh, that reminds me...
[17:28] <AlanBell> and you can record it from the outside
[17:28]  * JFo goes to update his nettop
[17:29]  * AlanBell ponders switching to Qt
[17:29] <jcastro> jono: who would be a good contact for me for Linaro based questions? Joey Stanford fine? I have questions like track descriptions and whatnot, I don't want to bother the CTO dude with that sort of stuff
[17:29] <dholbach> jono, 1m?
[17:29] <jono> jcastro, Joey
[17:29] <popey> AlanBell: nope, its refusing
[17:30] <jono> dholbach, yep
[17:30] <popey> AlanBell: just drops me to classic session, even with "Ubuntu" selected on logon screen
[17:30]  * popey dist-upgrades
[17:32] <jono> dholbach, give me one min, was wrapping up some debugging for the U1 team
[17:41] <jcastro> Daviey: ok the track leads are approving tracks now, can you kick the scheduler on?
[17:43] <popey> AlanBell: any ideas?
[17:50] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day
[17:50] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow
[17:50] <dholbach> BYE
[17:53] <AlanBell> popey: :(
[17:54] <AlanBell> um, so you installed virtualbox-ose-guest-x11 in the guest, have 3d ticked in the virtualbox machine settings?
[17:55] <popey> ah, i wonder if thats it
[17:55] <popey> bah, hadnt ticked that
[18:01] <Technoviking> jono: ping
[18:03] <jono> hey Technoviking
[18:04]  * AlanBell wonders if popey has unity now?
[18:04]  * popey does
[18:04] <popey> with an old school session
[18:05] <popey> grey panel, old ubuntu logo for bfb
[18:05] <AlanBell> no sidebar?
[18:05] <popey> yes, i have sidebar
[18:06] <popey> just looks like gnome-settings-daemon or whatever the new equiv of that is, has gone phut
[18:06] <AlanBell> ok, so 3d is working and the theme is busted
[18:07] <Technoviking> jono: if we have room in the UDS schedule, can we have a forums health session with forums folks and IS
[18:08] <popey> yeah, thanks for the help
[18:08] <jono> Technoviking, sure!
[18:08] <maco> i'd be surprised if the uds schedule was full already
[18:08] <jono> Technoviking, register a BP and submit it for the event
[18:08] <maco> its not even full by the third day :P
[18:12] <cjohnston> mornin
[18:16] <Technoviking> jono: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-o-forum-health
[18:16] <Technoviking> jono: thanks
[18:19] <JFo> I think we should have a 'general health' session on how to combad ubu-flu
[18:19] <JFo> ;-)
[18:20] <Technoviking> JFo: I'm already doubling my vitamins dose:)
[18:20] <JFo> same here
[18:20] <JFo> vitamin C for the win!
[18:21] <JFo> I'm taking my vitamins with me
[18:21] <JFo> :-)
[18:21] <cjohnston> +2
[18:21] <JFo> Technoviking, I finally get to meet you in person... unless we have already met and I forgot... which, let's face it, is likely :-/
[18:21] <Technoviking> heh
[18:22] <Technoviking> UDS is a wonderful wonderful blur always
[18:23] <Pendulum> JFo: I thought that was what jono's don't drink too much, but remember to eat and get sleep was about?
[18:23] <JFo> Technoviking, indeed :)
[18:24] <JFo> Pendulum, like I ever listen to jono in that regard ;-)
[18:24] <JFo> besides, most of the time it is his fault that I drank too much...
[18:24]  * JFo casts unnecessary blame :-D
[18:25] <jono> JFo, true true
[18:25] <jono> :-)
[18:25] <JFo> heh
[18:25] <JFo> dude, I miss you jono
[18:25]  * JFo hugs his jono doll
[18:25] <JFo> :-)
[18:25] <JFo> dunno which was creepier
[18:25] <jono> JFo, I miss you, brother, bring on Budapest
[18:26] <jono> lol
[18:26] <JFo> me saying I miss you or hugging the doll
[18:26] <jono> I just read the doll bit
[18:26] <JFo> heh, yep
[18:26] <jono> not creepy, romantic
[18:26] <JFo> awww
[18:26] <JFo> hahahaha
[18:26] <jono> JFo, I really wish you could meet Erica
[18:26] <JFo> I do too
[18:26] <jono> in fact I was talking aboiut you yesterday - I was telling her how she would dig you
[18:26] <jono> you would have a very small woman constantly hugging you
[18:26] <JFo> I'm planning a trip to SF/SJ area over the summer.
[18:27] <JFo> that would be awesome!
[18:27]  * JFo 's need love too
[18:27] <jono> JFo, dude, you are more than welcome to stay here if you come out for a trip
[18:27] <Technoviking> allater all, off to class
[18:28] <JFo> jono, awesome! once I officially meet her, we may need to set some visits up
[18:28] <jono> JFo, yeah, we need to get you and the Graner's out
[18:28] <JFo> indeed, especially the Graners... Becca would never want to come back home
[18:34] <jcastro> jono: I can go as early as you want today
[18:35] <jcastro> jono: just got off a call with Joey, there's a bunch to talk about. :)
[18:35] <jono> thanks jcastro
[18:42] <jono> jcastro, I have to eat something before I pass out - I have been on the phone all morning and not had any breakfast yet
[18:42] <jono> then will call you
[18:43] <jcastro> ok
[18:43] <jcastro> mhall119: cjohnston: the column view per day lost the amount of people the room holds
[18:43] <jcastro> so it says
[18:43] <jcastro> roomname roomname roomname
[18:43] <jcastro> it should be
[18:43] <jcastro> roomname(15) roomname(25) etc.
[18:47] <jcastro> Daviey: around?
[18:48] <jono> akgraner, the Van Hoof fund is doing great :-)
[18:49] <akgraner> jono, yay!
[18:49] <jono> akgraner, I am going to throw in some money when I am done with calls
[18:50] <jcastro> @#$%#@$^%
[18:51] <jcastro> Daviey: why do breaks break up long slots?
[18:51] <akgraner> Thanks jono!  They'll really appreciate that - and they were in the middle of planning a wedding too...this just sucks for them
[18:51] <Daviey> jcastro: pass!
[18:52] <jono> akgraner, I feel for them
[18:52] <jono> I love though how it shows human genorisity when in a few hours nearly $1000 is raised
[18:53] <jcastro> Daviey: ok, so the colors, we know how to fix that right?
[18:57] <akgraner> jono, that it does! :-)
[18:59] <Daviey> jcastro: yeah..  I wonder if cjohnston wants to fix that 'properly' :)
[19:00] <jcastro> I got the slot thing
[19:00] <jcastro> I just deleted the "break" slot
[19:00] <jcastro> the breaks "count" as session slots
[19:00] <jcastro> so if you select a session for 2 blocks
[19:00] <jcastro> and the break is inbetween = doomed
[19:06] <Daviey> jcastro: blame mhall119 :)
[19:06] <Daviey> (or popey)
[19:07] <jcastro> Daviey: ok so all I need now are the colors and turn on the autosucking in from LP
[19:09] <Daviey> jcastro: The colours are a bite size fix
[19:09] <Daviey> Just needs adding to the css.
[19:09] <cjohnston> Daviey: what am i fixing
[19:10] <cjohnston> the #?
[19:10] <Daviey> cjohnston: the colours for summit tracks :D
[19:10]  * Daviey wishes he had a cjohnston around the house.
[19:10] <cjohnston> I dont know how :-P
[19:10] <Daviey> cjohnston: yeah you do :)
[19:10] <Daviey> you just don't know you do yet.
[19:10] <cjohnston> I can take a look.. I'm at work today so no guarentees
[19:11] <cjohnston> who broke the numbers
[19:11] <Daviey> cjohnston: see summit/media/css/schedule.css
[19:11] <cjohnston> and by "we know how to fix that" what does that mean
[19:12] <Daviey> div.meeting.ubuntutheproject        { background-color: #ffb9f4; }
[19:12] <Daviey> div.meeting.packageselection        { background-color: #FF4500; }
[19:12] <Daviey> div.meeting.cloud                   { background-color: #c1cdcd; }
[19:12] <cjohnston> ok
[19:12] <Daviey> etc, if a background is white - it means you can stab jcastro for changing the track names.
[19:12] <cjohnston> sounds good
[19:14] <cjohnston> Daviey: can we get an updated db as seen: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam/SummitJam
[19:15] <Daviey> cjohnston: snapshot of the production db?
[19:15] <jcastro> Daviey: oh wait
[19:15] <cjohnston> yes
[19:15] <jcastro> Daviey: we don't just assign colors, we like, hardcode those?
[19:15] <cjohnston> please
[19:15] <jcastro> oh no wonder
[19:15] <Daviey> jcastro: yeah... the proper fix would be something not hardcoded :P
[19:15] <cjohnston> file the bug as jcastro borked it
[19:15] <jcastro> I didn't bork anything
[19:15] <cjohnston> Daviey said you did
[19:16] <cjohnston> JFo is on the front page of summit
[19:16] <Daviey> jcastro: Yeah, just blaming you.
[19:16] <jcastro> it's ok, I blame you for everything else. :)
[19:17] <cjohnston> you took out the break!
[19:17] <jcastro> ok so I should file a bug then right?
[19:17] <cjohnston> boo!
[19:17] <jcastro> Daviey: but autosucking in the bp's from lp is your fault right?
[19:17] <Daviey> yeah
[19:18] <cjohnston> but we fix the bugs we create :-P
[19:18] <cjohnston> you make us fix the bugs you create
[19:19] <mhall119> Daviey: jcastro: I didn't change the way breaks and slots behave together, so I'm gonna say "not my fault" on this one
[19:19] <cjohnston> I don't think we have ever tried to have something span multiple sessions
[19:19] <mhall119> jcastro: if you want to remove the 'break' slots, the times for everything else shouldn't be affected
[19:19] <Daviey> cjohnston, we have
[19:19] <mhall119> cjohnston: we have in teh past
[19:19] <AlanBell> one meeting can be in multiple slots
[19:20] <Daviey> you can set the topic length in the admin ui
[19:20] <cjohnston> oh
[19:20] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/summit/+bug/764984
[19:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 764984 in summit "Colors need to be adjusted for UDS-O" [Undecided,New]
[19:21] <AlanBell> I was just trying to figure out how to get the agenda item for a meeting and found I could create multiple agenda items for the same meeting
[19:21] <akgraner> JFo, hahaha - "I need to meet the Mrs. Bacon"...
[19:21] <akgraner> http://jeremy-foshee.blogspot.com/2011/04/woe-of-burnout.html?spref=tw
[19:21] <Daviey> cjohnston, whilst fixing that, fancy fixing the trackfix management command to reflect the new track titles? :)
[19:22] <Daviey> and BBQ'ing me a pony?
[19:22] <Pici> D:
[19:22] <cjohnston> trackfix management command?
[19:22] <cjohnston> looking
[19:23] <mhall119> mmmm, BBQ pony
[19:24] <cjohnston> Daviey: whats wrong with the trackfix management command?
[19:26] <AlanBell> ok, need some help
[19:27] <AlanBell> so I have a summit meeting in the context of my html template
[19:27] <AlanBell> need to find out what rooms and times it is in
[19:27] <AlanBell> so it's list of associated agenda items
[19:28] <popey> bah!
[19:28] <Daviey> AlanBell, you might need to explain the problem in a different way, i don't follow
[19:29] <AlanBell> ok, I added something to urls.py so that I can go to http://localhost:8000/uds-o/meeting/full-of-awesome/
[19:29] <AlanBell> where full-of-awesome is a meeting slug
[19:30] <Daviey> ok
[19:30] <AlanBell> added a function to views.py which gets a handle to the meeting with: meeting = get_object_or_404(summit.meeting_set, name__iexact=meeting_slug)
[19:31] <Daviey> ok
[19:31] <AlanBell> and then does render_to_response of a new html template and passing in the meeting in the context
[19:31] <AlanBell> just like the by_track function for example
[19:32] <AlanBell> so, I can include in the html stuff like {{ meeting.title }} which works great
[19:32] <AlanBell> but there is no {{ meeting.room }} because room isn't a property of meeting
[19:32] <Daviey> AlanBell, fancy pastebining a diff? :)
[19:33] <AlanBell> I am looking for something like  meeting.agenda_items() to get me a list of stuff to itterate through
[19:34] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/595621/
[19:34] <Daviey> well you can do JOINS with object.objects.filter(object__field='something').. that might be what you need
[19:35] <AlanBell> end result I am going for is like this: http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/sessionprototype.html
[19:36] <JFo> akgraner, :-D
[19:38] <mhall119> AlanBell: you working on summit or LD?
[19:39] <AlanBell> summit
[19:39] <mhall119> I don't think summit meetings have agenda lists
[19:40] <AlanBell> well there is an agenda item object with slot/room/meeting as properties
[19:40] <AlanBell> I just can't get from the meeting back up to the agenda item
[19:40] <mhall119> have you tried meeting.agenda_set.all()?
[19:41] <mhall119> {fk_model}}_set is the default naming scheme in Django
[19:41] <AlanBell> that sounds good
[19:41]  * AlanBell knows nothing about django
[19:41] <mhall119> you picked a horrible project to start with then :(
[19:42]  * AlanBell isn't scared of no summit
[19:43] <mhall119> you will be, (in ominous Yoda voice) you will be...
[19:45] <AlanBell> ooh, that works
[19:46] <AlanBell> template stuff is quite funky, not real python and not quite anything else I recognise
[19:51] <cjohnston> jcastro: where are you seeing that the number of people the room can hold isnt included
[19:56] <akgraner> popey, loving the uupc site...
[20:03] <AlanBell> ooh render.py is spikey
[20:05] <cjohnston> hehehe
[20:06] <jono> jcastro, I lost you
[20:18] <AlanBell> yay, it works
[20:18] <AlanBell> just need a pretty icon
[20:18] <jcastro> cjohnston: oh it was just loading slow
[20:19] <mhall119> AlanBell: render.py is a bad place
[20:20] <AlanBell> it is!
[20:26] <AlanBell> lp:alanbell/summit/etherpad if you want a look Daviey mhall119
[20:28] <Daviey> AlanBell, do you have it running somewhere accessible?
[20:28]  * AlanBell tinkers with router
[20:29]  * Daviey is lazy.
[20:29] <Pendulum> Daviey: we knew that already :P
[20:30] <AlanBell> http://libertus.co.uk:8000 perhaps
[20:30] <cjohnston> nope
[20:30] <Daviey> Pendulum, har har
[20:30]  * AlanBell tinkers again
[20:30] <Daviey> AlanBell, how did you start it?
[20:30] <Pendulum> Daviey: you know I love you :P
[20:30] <Daviey> Pendulum, fine line between love and hate eh?
[20:31] <Daviey> AlanBell, ./manage.py runserver 0:8000
[20:31] <Daviey> ?
[20:31] <AlanBell> Daviey: good point
[20:31] <Pendulum> Daviey: :(
[20:31]  * AlanBell sees people looking at it
[20:32] <cjohnston> i see links to the wiki for sessions
[20:32] <Daviey> tick tock..
[20:32] <AlanBell> should see a little icon to the left of the title
[20:32] <AlanBell> and it has just gone slow
[20:32] <cjohnston> ok
[20:33] <Daviey> AlanBell, it's single threaded, so we are in thread warz
[20:33]  * AlanBell restarts
[20:33] <AlanBell> http://libertus.co.uk:8000/uds-o/2011-04-14/ is what you want
[20:33] <jussi> Daviey: do you know how the etherpad prgress for uds is going?
[20:34] <AlanBell> icon just to the left of the title of either instance of the meeting will take you to
[20:34] <AlanBell> http://libertus.co.uk:8000/uds-o/meeting/full-of-awesome/
[20:35] <cjohnston> hmm
[20:35]  * Daviey passes AlanBell a bzr add summit/schedule/templates/meeting.html
[20:35] <AlanBell> oops
[20:35] <Daviey> jussi, no recent changes afaik
[20:35] <AlanBell> will do Daviey
[20:35] <Daviey> AlanBell, yeah, i managed to get to the page :)
[20:36] <jussi> ok, does it look like happening? should I recruit a load of idle people to test it? :D
[20:36] <Daviey> jussi, that might be a possibility, but hold fire right now.  jcastro is the contact for Getting This Done. :)
[20:37] <jussi> ok :)
[20:38] <AlanBell> jussi: I hope it goes ahead or I just wasted a couple of hours
[20:38] <jussi> :D
[20:38] <Daviey> jussi, something really awesome that would be nice if it got done regardless, would be a ubuntu etherpad theme... got any ideas of people who are  a bit whizzy with css/js/html ?
[20:38] <Daviey> AlanBell, I think i'll run my sessions from it TBH.  And i think jcastro will, so don't worry about that!
[20:39] <jussi> hrm, not off the top of my head, but Ill keep my eyes open
[20:39] <Daviey> jussi, cool
[20:39] <AlanBell> with this patch you won't see the etherpad at all
[20:39] <cjohnston> AlanBell: is that running etherpad on the same server as summit?
[20:39] <AlanBell> nope
[20:39] <AlanBell> that would be a configuration URL somewhere
[20:40] <AlanBell> right now hardcoded to primarypad.com
[20:40] <Daviey> AlanBell, can the pad url be a settings.py value ?
[20:40] <AlanBell> sure
[20:40] <cjohnston> looks like that costs $$?
[20:41] <AlanBell> and it can be pointed at any etherpad that accepts themes on the querystring
[20:41] <AlanBell> cjohnston: no, we wouldn't use primarypad.com
[20:41] <Daviey> AlanBell, does my pad not do that?
[20:42] <cjohnston> what would we use
[20:42] <Daviey> cjohnston, TBC
[20:42] <AlanBell> Daviey: nope http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/uds-o-full-of-awesome?_theme=micro
[20:43]  * Daviey wonders what has caused that not to work
[20:43] <AlanBell> missing the micro theme perhaps?
[20:43] <Daviey> the micro theme is in place... but not sure why the query string isn't accepted
[20:43] <Daviey> i'll have to grok the logs for an indicator of the error
[20:44] <AlanBell> cjohnston: we would use our own etherpad server hosted somewhere, but I wasn't going to wait for that to exist before coding up the summit enhancement
[20:44] <cjohnston> gotcha
[20:45] <cjohnston> Daviey: what do we need to do to get this pushed through?
[20:45] <AlanBell> jcastro: what do you think of it?
[20:54] <james_w> is there a required naming scheme for UDS blueprints this time?
[20:56] <cjohnston> I think its still track-o-title
[20:57] <james_w> does that associate it with a track in summit?
[20:58] <cjohnston> I'm not sure that they are automatically associated
[20:59] <Daviey> james_w, it does yes
[20:59] <Daviey> cjohnston, that is what trackfix tries to do.
[21:00] <cjohnston> gotcha
[21:00] <james_w> Daviey, thanks, so it should be <track from slug in summit>-o-title?
[21:00] <Daviey> james_w, yes
[21:00] <james_w> thanks
[21:01] <james_w> Daviey, will the fact that some tracks have hyphens in the name screw it up?
[21:01] <Daviey> james_w, no, that (will be) fine.
[21:01] <Daviey> james_w, i see linaro has gone track crazy http://uds.ubuntu.com/tracks/ :)
[21:01] <james_w> indeed :-)
[21:01] <Daviey> james_w, I assume it's ok for linaro-* to have the same css colour ?
[21:01] <cjohnston> yes they have
[21:02] <james_w> Daviey, we would like at least slightly different I guess
[21:03] <james_w> Daviey, the linaro css we are hoping to add could presumably just make Ubuntu sessions all one colour, and use different colours for each Linaro track though
[21:03] <james_w> that would probably be fine
[21:03] <Daviey> james_w, Would someone in linaro be able to pick a palette and varying shades, and megre proposal the css for the tracks in summit/media/css/schedule.css ?
[21:04] <Daviey> james_w, ah, that is a good point
[21:04] <Daviey> james_w, Will that be ok for the LCD screens?
[21:04] <Daviey> The LCD screens in the hallways being Ubuntu specifc, showing linaro sessions as one colour?
[21:04] <james_w> Daviey, I don't know what the plan is there, I heard rumours that we would have a couple of Linaro screens too
[21:05] <Daviey> james_w, Well that sounds quite clean, if Linaro is a second class citizien on the ubuntu screens, and ubuntu is the same to the linaro screens
[21:05] <Daviey> I'd rather look at screens and be able to mentally ignoreish one colour.
[21:05] <Daviey> and i imagine some of the linaro folk think the same.
[21:06] <james_w> Daviey, leave it with me, and I'll find out what is going on, and get the merge proposal if we need to
[21:06]  * james_w expands the colour space
[21:06] <Daviey> james_w, lovely!
[21:06] <cjohnston> Daviey: mhall119 had mentioned adding a new field to the track slug allowing the picking of colors in admin.. I don't know if django offers something liek that easially tho
[21:07] <Daviey> ideally, there would be some deterministic auto colour generation per track... but sounds like hard work :)
[21:07] <cjohnston> heh
[21:07] <Daviey> cjohnston, yeah... ideally it would use some logic to determine a colour for itself.
[21:07] <AlanBell> I was just going to suggest adding a hex string to the track
[21:07] <Daviey> seing how many tracks there are makes that a less fu task, doing it manually
[21:08] <cjohnston> maybe if certain people stopped changing track names
[21:08]  * Daviey glares at jcastro 
[21:09] <cjohnston> heh
[21:30] <jcastro> AlanBell: do you have the original wiki performance thread handy?
[21:33] <jcastro> Daviey: what's the question about CSS colors?
[21:34] <AlanBell> https://lists.canonical.com/archives/ubuntu-website/2010-November/001084.html
[21:41] <jcastro> jono: ^
[21:41] <jono> thanks jcastro
[21:45] <AlanBell> my understanding is that they were going to hire someone(they didn't ask me) for a couple of weeks to code up the openID plugin for the new version
[21:47] <james_w> AlanBell, it's been done
[21:48] <james_w> they are currently upgrading some smaller wikis to iron out the issues
[21:48] <AlanBell> great
[21:54] <AlanBell> james_w: are you involved with the wiki effort?
[21:54] <james_w> AlanBell, just one of the smaller wikis used for testing
[21:56] <AlanBell> I would kind of like to do a moin extension to set the canonical link so that google searches go to wiki.ubuntu.com or wiki.{k|ed}ubuntu.org as appropriate
[21:56] <AlanBell> but I can't be bothered to do it if it is going to take a year to get deployed
[22:19] <jono> AlanBell, I have followed to up with IS to see what is going on with the wiki work
[22:19] <AlanBell> thanks
[22:20] <AlanBell> jono: see my summit enhancement?
[22:21] <jono> AlanBell, no?
[22:22] <AlanBell> jono: http://libertus.co.uk:8000/uds-o/meeting/full-of-awesome/
[22:22] <AlanBell> notes pages with embedded etherpad in the summit UI
[22:22] <jono> AlanBell, schaweeeeet!
[22:22] <AlanBell> the track listings grow an extra icon like this http://libertus.co.uk:8000/uds-o/2011-04-14/
[22:22] <jono> I want to make sure we test this fully before we rely on it for UDS
[22:23] <jono> particularly as summit is held together with sellotape and chewing gum
[22:23] <jono> so I would want to make sure IS do some stress testing
[22:23] <AlanBell> well this bit is dead simple
[22:23] <jono> that is awesome though :-)
[22:23] <AlanBell> it just needs a stress tested etherpad server somewhere
[22:24] <AlanBell> and with this setup we don't have to theme the etherpad server or do anything fancy to it
[22:24] <jono> AlanBell, cool, so it could be cool to hook you up with Charlie in IS to help make that train roll
[22:25] <AlanBell> well probably Daviey and jcastro have that in hand along with the others on the -devel mailing list
[22:25] <AlanBell> might need an executive decision to make it so
[22:26] <paultag> <make it so>
[22:26] <AlanBell> <number one>
[22:26] <jono> heh
[22:27] <paultag> :)
[22:27] <AlanBell> the summit patch should be relatively uncontroversial in terms of performance I think Daviey mhall119?
[22:27] <jono> phew
[22:27] <jono> busy days
[22:27] <jono> I have literally been on the phone since 7.30am
[22:27] <jono> and now it is about 2.30pm and I can get something to eat
[22:29] <AlanBell> nom
[22:38] <mhall119> AlanBell: which QR code is that on your meeting details page?
[22:39] <AlanBell> it points to meeting.wiki_url
[22:40] <AlanBell> but could be pointed anywhere considered useful, or removed
[22:42] <mhall119> AlanBell: we currently have qrcodes to the conventionist/guidebook app we're going to be using
[22:42] <AlanBell> it is generated on the fly by google, just change the bit in the middle of the URL, I put {{ meeting.wiki_url }} https://chart.googleapis.com/chart?chs=150x150&cht=qr&chl=https://wiki.ubuntu.com/wiki&choe=UTF-8.png
[22:44] <mhall119> AlanBell: have you talked to jcastro or Daviey about using primarypad.com?
[22:44] <AlanBell> no, we are not going to use primarypad.com
[22:45] <mhall119> ok
[22:45] <AlanBell> we are going to use a server that does not yet exist
[22:45] <mhall119> sounds exciting
[22:46] <AlanBell> in the absence of such a server, I temporarily pointed it at primarypad.com because it works
[22:47] <AlanBell> the url in the iframe is http://primarypad.com/uds-o-full-of-awesome?_theme=micro
[22:48] <AlanBell> which is http://<padserver>/{{summit.name}}-{{meeting.name}}?_theme=micro
[22:48] <AlanBell> and we just change padserver to point to whatever we want, or as Daviey suggested put it in settings.py or somewhere. I dunno.
[22:59] <AlanBell> what are the next steps here?
[22:59] <AlanBell> I guess I can't do a merge request until we have a real server to point it at
[23:54] <jcastro> Daviey: around?
[23:59] <cjohnston> mhall119: hook us up with a server for etherpad