[02:48] jussi: Where? [02:54] Howdy, world [02:55] g'day paultag [02:55] pleia2: howdy doodie? [02:56] good good [03:01] pleia2: sweet :) [03:01] pleia2: just taught one of the IT guys at the clinic how to do some cool stuff with ubuntu repos [03:02] pleia2: they have tablets to fill out information when you sit down (and sign paperwork and stuff), and they all run Ubuntu [03:02] paultag: nice! [03:02] :) [05:59] oi oi, folks [05:59] I have a meme I want to kickstart - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/04/18/help-me-be-better-meme/ [05:59] encourage you all to join in :-) [06:23] hello jono [06:23] jono: get your contacts working? [06:27] duanedesign, nope, still an issue [06:27] I reopened the bug [06:29] :( [06:30] jono: liked your blog post. I left a comment. [06:30] .5 [06:33] thanks duanedesign :-) [07:48] morning all [07:48] hello AlanBell [07:51] good morning [07:51] hi dholbach [07:52] dholbach: Good WE? :) [07:52] hey nigelb [07:52] yes, it was great - how was yours? [07:58] dholbach: It was awesome, good time with friends :-) [08:00] nice [08:57] morning everyone [08:59] hey kim0 [09:00] dholbach: hey man :) [09:00] hey dpm [09:00] hey dholbach [09:00] good morning all [09:00] hey kim0 [09:01] dpm: hey o/ === daker_ is now known as daker [10:12] morning all [10:16] morning [10:16] hey duanedesign have you done any screencasts on unity yet? [10:24] hey dpm,kim0 :) [10:24] and hola popey and duanedesign [10:24] hey [10:25] duanedesign: see bug 763579 [10:25] Launchpad bug 763579 in unity "Panel drop shadow causes issues for screencasting apps" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/763579 [10:25] the way the drop shadow is done seems a bit odd [10:29] it would be better not to have it imho [10:29] looks silly on the expo zoom out [10:29] it would be better not to have the shadow round windows too [10:29] I like that [10:29] snap two windows to either side of the screen [10:29] the shadow from one goes over the other [10:29] it looks stupid [10:29] yeah, interesting effect [10:30] shows which one has focus [10:30] and looks a bit stupid [10:31] HEH [10:39] popey: that's more an issue of how multiple desktops are implemented IMO [10:39] eh? [10:39] its nothing to do with multiple desktops [10:39] indeed [10:39] oh, real screens? [10:40] that bug is related to running recordmydesktop on a machine with one active screen/desktop === dpm_ is now known as dpm [10:40] the shadow problem is because the top bar is drawn with nux, but the shadow of the top bar is not drawn with nux [10:41] the shadow seems to be just a png overlaid on top afterwards [10:41] which seems very odd [10:41] I meant the shadow on windows that are snapped to the border [10:41] oh [10:42] still not a multi-screen issue :) [10:42] one screen, two windows snapped to left and right [10:42] the shadow from the active window bleeds over the top of the other windows [10:42] which i think is wrong when you have deliberately snapped windows like that [10:43] it also draws shadows on the next virtual screen it seems, that's what I meant ;) [10:43] eww [10:43] nice [10:43] fail! [10:44] aren't drop shadows a bit web 2.0 [10:44] i.e. old [10:44] a bit OS X [10:44] does OSX do them? [10:44] never noticed [10:44] it does huge shadows [10:44] drop shadows are nice to set things apart [10:45] * popey looks for screenshots of this [10:46] 40px for the active window in osX apparently [10:46] * AlanBell wonders what it could possibly be set to in unity . . . [10:48] A miiiiilllion pixels [10:49] * AlanBell crashes compiz [10:51] I wonder if it will be possible to use ccsm to actually change anything without a reboot by release time [10:52] reboot? [10:52] well a hard compiz crash [10:52] ah, I thought a real reboot... ☺ [10:53] AlanBell: at least when it crashes all the leaked memory is gone too ;) [10:53] well to all intents and purposes, if compiz crashes it is reboot time [10:53] shadows are so last year :P [10:54] yes I can go to a console or ssh in, change display settings and restart it and log in again, or just reboot [10:55] I'm almost permanently logged in on tty1 on natty ;) [10:55] although, I haven't needed it for some time now [10:56] also, why change display settings? [10:57] because i want to simulate deuteranopia for example [10:58] AlanBell: you can use the lay-man's terms. even I had to look that one up :P [10:58] colour filters [10:58] and why log in again? [10:58] so I want to see what my application looks like to colour blind people for example [10:58] as bad as it does for people without colour blindness I guess :D [10:58] true, compiz restarts don't log you out [10:59] shouldn't that just work when you (re)start compiz/unity? [10:59] cheeky popey [10:59] not the point, using ccsm shouldn't be a recipe for instacrash [10:59] but I agree that needing a console is not exactly a solution for most people :-( [11:01] at least the alt+tab crashes seem to be gone [11:33] popey: hello [11:34] popey: i was about to move a couple that jorge did to the screencast site. [11:38] duanedesign: they flicker horribly [11:40] hmm [11:43] in the last week I've tried gtk-recordmydesktop, recordmydesktop, and ffmpeg, they all result in corrupt, rubbish looking video [11:43] i even went so far as to buy a hardware capture device, a VGA2USB LR, which can capture directly from the VGA port to another computer [11:43] this kinda works [11:43] popey: have you tried my script :) [11:43] but I need to tune compiz to get the best out of it [11:44] gimmie a link? [11:44] well, it uses ffmpeg so.... [11:44] here's my ffmpeg line.... [11:44] It is what I hazve to use because recordmydesktop was not making very nice screencasts [11:44] ffmpeg -f alsa -r 16000 -i hw:1,0 -f x11grab -r 25 -s 1280x720 -i :0.0 -vcodec huffyuv -sameq ~/Videos/`date +%y%m%d%H%M%S`-screencast.avi [11:45] i ssh in from another machine, and do "export DISPLAY=:0.0" then run that script [11:45] so you dont see any script running on the machine you're recording [11:45] popey: http://okiebuntu.homelinux.com/blog/?p=175 [11:45] I left it running for about an hour [11:45] whilst I watched a youtube video [11:46] popey: that is a neat trick. I always just edit out the script showing at the end [11:46] i have it delay at the beginning long enough for me to switch workspaces [11:46] yeah, i dont like editing :) [11:47] switching workspaces wont help you in unity [11:47] you'll still have a terminal open on the launcher [11:47] your script looks similar to my one liner but you record to mpeg2 and not huffyuv [11:47] i cant see much difference [11:48] anyway the issue is more the overhead compiz places on the machine IMO [11:48] * duanedesign nods [11:49] i was getting bad screen 'tearing' and the audio would not line up [11:52] will certainly try your script tonight [11:52] thanks [11:54] my goal is to make short videos that require no editing at all [11:54] (I hate editing, and want to just upload a video when its recorded) [12:00] popey: let me know what you think, or if you make any changes. Their is a lot that is commented out. Some stuff other people wanted in the script. [12:00] most the stuff commented out is converting to different formats [12:02] i just called my wife to switch on my desktop and ran the script remotely via ssh :D [12:08] :) [12:18] popey, Technoviking, is https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-membership-boards being used? [12:18] can we tick that off our list? [12:18] it's a public list [12:22] nevermind, keeping it on the TODO [12:33] dholbach: nope [12:42] dholbach: I'd check if everyone is actually subscribed to it. I only found out about it when it got mentioned in the last discussion we had [12:46] duanedesign: tip, add the url to your blog post to your screencast script :) [12:55] duanedesign: minor patch for you.... [12:55] baseName="`date +%Y%m%d`-`date +%H%M%S`-screencast" # default base filename for capture [12:55] so you dont accidentially overwrite anything :) [12:55] 20110418-125448-screencast.mpeg [12:55] :) [13:06] Daviey: hey, I'm mirroring your server bugs post to a blog entry, sounds good ? [13:07] popey: thank you! [13:11] kim0, feel free :) thanks [13:13] duanedesign, howdy - so I posted a couple short screen casts to FB...I'm getting there :-) but they aren't nearly as good as popey's or relaxed as much as jcastro's, but I am having fun.. [13:14] akgraner: at least your machine can record them! :D [13:14] akgraner: I'm gonna try duanedesign's script tonight [13:14] popey, :-) [13:15] oh yeah he does have a handy dandy script...maybe I should try that as well [13:22] popey, let's hope my new machine will be as screencast friendly [13:22] my dell has finally lost it's mind and just rebots on my 5 times a day [13:23] (I think it's still overheating but the little gizmo I used to use doesn't work or has been deprecated or something in natty..and I haven't installed anything new yet so I can see...:-/ [13:24] s/rebots/reboots even [13:24] * jussi recently got a new work machine - its very nice :) [13:27] http://www.trustedreviews.com/HP-ProBook-5320m_Laptop_review [13:28] wheeee [13:28] work just asked me to work from home from 4pm till midnight, on call [13:28] this means I get to go home now and play with screencasting [13:28] \o/ [13:29] jussi: "Mediocre image quality" is a feature ?! [13:29] kim0: ? [13:29] on that link [13:29] first feature [13:29] oh lol [13:29] weirdo [13:31] no - I guess its referring to the 1366x768 panel [13:31] I wish it was a little better, but I mostly use it in the office with my 1920x1080 screen... [13:32] jussi: darn, you're on irc.mozilla.org too :p [13:32] Im _everywhere_ :P :P [13:32] nigelb: trying to find places you can ascii? :P [13:32] Pendulum: haha, good point :p [13:32] /aq Pendulum [13:32] :P [13:32] Pendulum: but there is that channel jussi has... :p [13:33] bah, I crossed another significant milestone [13:33] I swear I should setup #ubuntu-ascii and banforward popey and dholbach there :P :P [13:33] I now need to zoom out of terminal twice to see all my tabs on irc [13:33] nigelb: you went "over the hill"? [13:33] jussi: ok, I'm safe then :p [13:33] jussi: haha [13:34] * popey figlet Hugs 4 Jussi [13:34] :D [13:34] haha [13:34] * popey took a lot of power to resist that [13:34] heh [13:35] oooh... todays xkcd is awesome :D [14:43] checked duanedesign and i get the same issue, the stupid drop shadow at the top of the screen === daker_ is now known as daker [16:01] kim0, about ready? [16:01] jono: yeah [16:01] hey jono [16:02] hey dholbach [16:14] duanedesign: http://popey.com/~alan/screencasts/20110418-160020-screencast.avi [16:14] its not your script, nothing seems to be able to video unity properly [16:15] be interested to know how akgraner does it [16:15] (chances are I suspect akgraner doesn't have an nvidia card) [16:16] run it in virtualbox, video from the outside [16:17] I was going to suggest the compiz video recording plugin, but that won't see unity [16:17] ugh@vbox [16:18] i was trying to get away from that [16:19] what's the best way to run unity in vbox these days? [16:19] yeah, sorry, only suggestion I can think of that will actually work [16:19] I read something about needing beta guest extensions or something like that [16:19] happy to try it [16:20] install natty, then in natty install virtualbox-ose-guest-x11 [16:20] all 3d works? [16:20] do not screw about with any other kind of guest additions on the host [16:20] yes, all 3d works [16:21] all you have to do is install that package inside the guest [16:21] what iso would you install from? [16:21] desktop amd64 [16:21] and which vbox? [16:21] yeah, beta 1, 2, daily? [16:22] daily, but any would work [16:22] and you use vbox from the repo? [16:22] i have vbox 4 from 3rd party repo here [16:22] I am using the 3rd party one [16:22] it doesn't matter that it isn't ose [16:23] it is still the same graphics driver that needs loading in the guest [16:23] thanks [16:23] and the "install guest additions" thing in the virtualbox user interface won't have the drivers for natty [16:24] tick the box for 'enable 3d acceleration' ? [16:24] for the vm [16:24] but as they are packaged up and in the natty repos the guest can get to them [16:24] yeah tick that [16:24] any other twiddles? [16:24] nope [16:24] gave it 4GB RAM and 128MB video ram [16:24] plenty [16:24] * popey wonders if the rdp server might be an optoion [16:24] or an option [16:25] that should work [16:25] will play with that later [16:25] unless it is broken for 3d in general [16:25] but it should see unity as well as it would see any 3d guest operating system [16:26] * popey hugs Virgin cable for 2.3MB/s download during the day [16:28] would be nice if Ubuntu detected it was running in virtualbox and grabbed that package on installation [16:28] uhm [16:28] VERR_VMX_MSR_LOCKED_OR_DISABLED [16:28] thats nice [16:29] oh, you don't have vmx? [16:29] i jolly well do [16:30] too much ram [16:30] wound that down a bit and its okay [16:31] uh [16:31] now its complaining that i dont have an x86-64 cpu [16:32] did you select ubuntu (64 bit) [16:32] as the os type [16:32] ah, no [16:32] didnt spot that, thanks [16:33] uh [16:33] now its moaning that I dont have vmx [16:33] yet I do [16:34] "your vt-x/amd-v hardware acceleration has been enabled, but is not operational. Your 64-bit guest will fail to detect a 64-bit CPU and will not be able to boot" [16:37] nothing in my bios to set/unset that [16:38] popey, nope I have an intel card... [16:38] akgraner: are you guys going through JFK to Budapest? [16:39] AlanBell: you running 2.6.38 generic? [16:39] 2.6.35-28-generic [16:39] on the host [16:39] 32 bit as well [16:40] Linux maverick 2.6.35-28-generic #50-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 18 19:00:26 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux [16:40] i had to rmmod the kvm and kvm_intel modules [16:40] but I have never had vbox complain about not being able to set vmx before on this box [16:40] ah [16:40] and kvm works [16:40] still no worky [16:42] and we haven't got to the Natty bit yet :-/ [16:42] my box is on natty [16:42] host that is [16:42] oh, right [16:42] its times like this I want to format all my disks and go and live in the woods [16:42] * popey reboots into maverick to see if that helps [16:42] this should "just work" [16:43] ok, i can 'continue' in vbox, but it thinks i have no vmx [16:43] gah [16:43] and back to the 'its not 64-bit' issue [16:44] or, use 32bit in the guest [16:45] yeah [16:45] somtimes this tinkering is fun, sometimes it just feels like a massive waste of time [16:46] oh jeez [16:46] booting into maverick I get nothing on the screen [16:46] need an xorg.conf becuase the nvidia driver doesnt like my displays [16:47] you are in a maze of twisty passages, there are exits to the north and east [16:48] \o/ copied xorg.conf from natty partition [16:48] golly, this is nice and fast [16:48] [16:48] you have just been eaten by a gru [16:49] wow, i had forgotten how fast 10.10 is :( [16:52] oh, my bad, this is 10.04 :) [16:54] Interestingly that what i typed 'natty' as the description of the VM, Vbox 'knew' this was Ubuntu :) [16:55] bah [16:56] still says its not capable of 64-boit [16:56] *bit [16:57] http://pastebin.com/Xyf39w6K [16:59] http://paste.ubuntu.com/595564/ [17:00] * popey gets the 32-bit iso [17:00] might be better running this in 10.04 anyway, less overhead from unity/compiz/nu [17:01] yup [17:04] * popey switches on ffm and revels in the fact that it actually still works in 10.04 [17:06] so focus follows mouse means that you don't have to click in windows to give them focus? [17:07] which means you can't type in one window mouse over another and scroll with the mouse wheel without moving back again? [17:07] Jfo, Jono, jcastro et all - Here's the links to the ChipIn Page for Van Hoof - http://akgraner.com/?p=917 [17:07] and if your mouse drifts out of the window you are typing in your keystrokes go somewhere else? [17:08] akgraner: ta! [17:08] akgraner, oh my god, I didn't know that happened [17:08] yep...ac unity crashed in on them during the tornado [17:09] AlanBell: yes, but! [17:09] AlanBell: you may notice that even with FFM _off_ you can still scroll a window without clicking it [17:09] yes, I do [17:09] jono He just called us a few mins ago..the are very shook up..but safe and are staying with his parents atm [17:09] and I can still type in the first one [17:09] which is even more infuriating because those of us who use ffm will do that then expect that typing will result in stuff in that window [17:10] akgraner, already posted about it :) [17:10] yes, which is duff [17:10] i386 installing btw [17:10] JFo, thanks! [17:10] akgraner: sent, thanks! [17:10] akgraner, :) [17:10] akgraner, was it a total loss or do they know yet? [17:11] I quite often type in one window and scroll up and down a web page or pdf manual with the mouse [17:11] which is half-arsed ffm [17:12] or a happy medium ymmv [17:13] I can even scroll different windows in a virtualbox vm with the text focus staying in a window in the host [17:13] wow [17:14] popey: if you use alt+tab and are using focus follows mouse (not focus under mouse), then its not bad... [17:14] akgraner: oh no :( [17:14] has that chipin page been tweeted akgraner? [17:14] though iirc, gnome has no distinction between focus follows mouse, focus under mouse, and focus strictly under mouse [17:15] AlanBell, not yet..doing that now... [17:16] the whole point of ffm maco is that you _don't_ use alt-tab [17:16] or click on windows, at all [17:16] you just put the mouse over the one you want to use and use it [17:16] I will have to code up some retweet functionality in circleoffriends [17:16] popey: if the window you're currently on is maximised, you kinda have to use alt+tab... [17:16] i mean, how do you get your mouse over a completely hidden window? [17:16] i use a combination of ffm & alt+tab [17:16] i dont have maximised windows [17:16] oh, see, i maximise most windows [17:16] well, i do, but its full screen on its own display [17:16] akgraner, I will get the word out about the ChipIn page [17:16] except umm..irc [17:17] and if i had an im client open regularly, that wouldnt be maxed either [17:17] akgraner, just talked to krafty, he is fine as well, his roof is leaking a little, but other than that... [17:17] he said the whole building had been evacuated [17:18] I assume they will do a structural integrity check [17:18] though, if i use a tiling window manager, then its definitely ffm. though xmonad has the possibility of moving keyboard-focus and mouse-focus independently [17:18] can scroll the mouse on one window while typing in another because the focuses aren't tied together [17:20] done twitted and dented [17:20] JFo, yep that's what we heard...:-) [17:21] hmm, the wording on the fallback screen still needs work [17:21] akgraner, thought I remembered you telling me that [17:21] "It seems you do not have the hardware required to run Unity. Please choose Ubuntu Classic at the login screen and you will be using the traditional environment." [17:21] heh [17:21] JFo, all I know is what you all know as soon as I find out more you'll know :-) [17:21] :-P [17:23] <-hopped up on coffee [17:23] I am having to retype everything due to spelling errors [17:23] bzzzz [17:23] :) [17:25] * AlanBell expects popey to be booting into a 3d unity about nowish [17:26] thanks jono! [17:28] :) yup [17:28] yay \o/ [17:28] ooh, that reminds me... [17:28] and you can record it from the outside [17:28] * JFo goes to update his nettop [17:29] * AlanBell ponders switching to Qt [17:29] jono: who would be a good contact for me for Linaro based questions? Joey Stanford fine? I have questions like track descriptions and whatnot, I don't want to bother the CTO dude with that sort of stuff [17:29] jono, 1m? [17:29] jcastro, Joey [17:29] AlanBell: nope, its refusing [17:30] dholbach, yep [17:30] AlanBell: just drops me to classic session, even with "Ubuntu" selected on logon screen [17:30] * popey dist-upgrades [17:32] dholbach, give me one min, was wrapping up some debugging for the U1 team [17:41] Daviey: ok the track leads are approving tracks now, can you kick the scheduler on? [17:43] AlanBell: any ideas? [17:50] alright my friends - I call it a day [17:50] see you all tomorrow [17:50] BYE [17:53] popey: :( [17:54] um, so you installed virtualbox-ose-guest-x11 in the guest, have 3d ticked in the virtualbox machine settings? [17:55] ah, i wonder if thats it [17:55] bah, hadnt ticked that [18:01] jono: ping [18:03] hey Technoviking [18:04] * AlanBell wonders if popey has unity now? [18:04] * popey does [18:04] with an old school session [18:05] grey panel, old ubuntu logo for bfb [18:05] no sidebar? [18:05] yes, i have sidebar [18:06] just looks like gnome-settings-daemon or whatever the new equiv of that is, has gone phut [18:06] ok, so 3d is working and the theme is busted [18:07] jono: if we have room in the UDS schedule, can we have a forums health session with forums folks and IS [18:08] yeah, thanks for the help [18:08] Technoviking, sure! [18:08] i'd be surprised if the uds schedule was full already [18:08]