[06:47] <RAOF> chrisccoulson: Yo yo, dude!  When you're awake and available I'd like to ask things about your system re compiz freezes.
[07:39] <pitti> Good morning
[07:40] <pitti> chrisccoulson: hm, I certainly meant to turn off python-gtkspell in g-p-e; I just see that I have the change locally in bzr, but didn't upload it, apparently it didn't build or so
[07:40] <pitti> +DEB_DH_BUILDDEB_ARGS = -Npython-gtkspell
[07:40] <TheMuso> Hey pitti, how was your weekend?
[07:41] <pitti> TheMuso: quite nice indeed, thanks! how are you?
[07:41] <pitti> hey Sweetshark
[07:41] <TheMuso> pitti: Well thanks.
[07:47] <pitti> Sweetshark: sponsoring bug 753584 ? that's already marked as fixed, is that wrong?
[07:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 753584 in hundredpapercuts "New Libre office icons are used in the launcher but not in Nautilus / Dash search results" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/753584
[07:49] <pitti> DBO: can I assign bug 758154 to you? what's your launchpad ID? (It's impossible to search for "Jason Smith", and DBO doesn't return results)
[07:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 758154 in bamf "bamfdaemon crashed with SIGABRT in dbus_g_connection_register_g_object()" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/758154
[07:50] <DBO> pitti, jassmith
[07:50] <DBO> pitti, that should be fixed also
[07:50] <DBO> whats the most recent report?
[07:50] <pitti> DBO: cheers
[07:50] <pitti> DBO: 2011-04-13, bamfdaemon 0.2.86-0ubuntu1
[07:50] <pitti> we have ubuntu3
[07:51] <DBO> too old
[07:51] <DBO> fix is newer than that
[07:51] <pitti> DBO: we got fixes for bug 761372 and bug 754225 since then
[07:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 761372 in unity "compiz assert failure: *** glibc detected *** compiz: double free or corruption (out): 0x0a1c5a38 ***" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/761372
[07:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 754225 in bamf "bamfdaemon crashed with SIGABRT in dbus_g_connection_register_g_object()" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/754225
[07:51] <pitti> ah, dupe of 754225
[07:51] <pitti> DBO: yay, closing then
[07:52] <DBO> yeah
[07:52] <DBO> bamf should never crash
[07:52] <DBO> ever
[07:52] <DBO> because I programmed it, therefor it has no bugs (I believe this to be true)
[07:52] <pitti> must have been an apport bug then, clearly!
[07:53] <pitti> DBO: yay retroactive bug fixing
[07:55] <didrocks> good morning
[07:58] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[07:58] <pitti> Sweetshark: so LibO ready to go?
[07:58] <didrocks> hey pitti, how are you?
[07:58] <pitti> didrocks: I'm great, thanks! how about you?
[07:59] <didrocks> pitti: I'm fine as well, still a very nice weather for a couple of weeks already ;)
[08:08] <Sweetshark> pitti: yes, take it from chinstrap.
[08:08] <Sweetshark> pitti: hmm, I will still have to generate a l10n dsc ...
[08:09] <Sweetshark> anyway, LibO can be sponsored already.
[08:25] <mvo> glatzor: I see nice fixes in your branch, should I wait for more or upload now?
[08:27] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[08:31] <pitti> Sweetshark: uploaded, thanks
[08:31] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[08:31] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti, how are you?
[08:32] <pitti> I'm great, thanks!
[08:33] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, good thanks. a bit tired though. we had quite a long day visiting family yesterday
[08:35] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson
[08:36] <chrisccoulson> hi didrocks, how are you?
[08:36] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I'm fine thanks! Still on the week-end bug mail though ;)
[08:36] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[08:39] <pitti> chrisccoulson: UBUNTU_MENUPROXY= firefox
[08:39] <pitti> that doesn't seem to work?
[08:39] <pitti> (I really need the ffox menu, but it isn't displayed at all right now)
[08:39] <chrisccoulson> pitti - no, that's an appmenu-gtk thing ;)
[08:39] <chrisccoulson> for firefox, you need to turn off the extension. i didn't provide any other way to disable it
[08:39] <pitti> ah, thanks
[08:39] <chrisccoulson> how come the menu isn't displayed?
[08:40] <pitti> about:extensions doesn't work; can I get to that in any other way?
[08:40] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I don't know
[08:40] <chrisccoulson> hmmm :/
[08:40] <pitti> it sometimes does that after unity crashes, but this time it didn't, I think
[08:40] <chrisccoulson> did you try restarting unity-panel-service?
[08:41] <chrisccoulson> these cases should be fixed now :(
[08:42] <pitti> doesn't seem to help
[08:42] <pitti> I don't even see close/min/max buttons
[08:43] <chrisccoulson> oh
[08:43] <chrisccoulson> i've seen that before too. it seems something in unity gets messed up :/
[08:44] <chrisccoulson> if you drag it from the panel and un-maximize it, it doesn't get any window border does it?
[08:44] <pitti> drag from the panel?
[08:45] <pitti> if I press alt+f10, it does get borders
[08:46] <chrisccoulson> is the firefox window maximized?
[08:47] <Sweetshark> \o/ beautiful LibreOffice icons on the desktop ...
[08:47] <pitti> chrisccoulson: yes
[08:51] <cdbs> Sweetshark: thanks to vish :)
[09:06] <rodrigo_> morning
[09:10] <didrocks> hey rodrigo_
[09:10] <seb128> hey desktopers
[09:11] <rodrigo_> hi didrocks, seb128
[09:12] <seb128> hey didrocks, rodrigo_
[09:12] <seb128> how are you?
[09:14] <rodrigo_> seb128, a bit sleepy still :)  and you, had a good weekend?
[09:15] <seb128> yes, a quite relaxing one ;-)
[09:15] <rodrigo_> good :)
[09:15] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[09:16] <seb128> hey pitti, how are you?
[09:16] <pitti> seb128: I'm great, thanks! had a nice weekend?
[09:16] <pitti> ah, you said
[09:16] <pitti> I spent the Sunday with packing boxes again :)
[09:16] <seb128> pitti, indeed, a quite relaxing one ;-)
[09:16] <seb128> pitti, when do you move?
[09:16] <pitti> seb128: April 30
[09:16] <seb128> end of the month?
[09:16] <seb128> ok
[09:17] <seb128> it's getting close!
[09:17] <pitti> yeah
[09:17] <rodrigo_> pitti, oh, where do you move to?
[09:17] <seb128> you will barely have time to unpack before going to UDS
[09:17] <pitti> we'll arrive in Augsburg at Sat evening, and on Sun morning I'll hop into the train to Budapest
[09:17] <pitti> seb128: right, but over Easter weekend is bad, and we need to clear the old flat by mid-May
[09:17] <TheMuso> pitti: Oh wow you're moving!
[09:17] <TheMuso> Hope it goes well, I've been through it a few times myself.
[09:18] <pitti> heh; will be my 4th time as well
[09:18] <seb128> pitti, isn't eastern next weekend and the 30 the one after that?
[09:18] <pitti> right
[09:18] <TheMuso> Easter is next week end, at least for us in Australia...
[09:19] <seb128> then uds a week after that as well?
[09:19] <pitti> I'm not quite sure why UDS and sprint are so early this cycle
[09:19] <rodrigo_> no Thursday/Friday easter holiday?
[09:19] <pitti> UDS is back-to-back with the release
[09:19] <pitti> we won't have any time for merging etc.
[09:19] <pitti> rodrigo_: Fri/Mon are holidays here
[09:20] <rodrigo_> pitti, ah, thought Spain was the only one having that :)
[09:20] <rodrigo_> Thu/Fri and Mon here
[09:21] <TheMuso> In New South Wales this year, its Friday, Monday, and Tuesday, because of Anzac Day on Monday.
[09:21] <TheMuso> Not sure about other states.
[09:21] <RAOF> You softies.
[09:21] <Sweetshark> cdbs, vish: indeed. Many thanks your way for that.
[09:21] <RAOF> We don't get Tuesday in Tasmania :)
[09:22] <TheMuso> RAOF: Ah that sucks.
[09:23] <didrocks> RAOF: we don't get Friday neither here! Just Monday
[09:24] <RAOF> didrocks: Sucks even more!
[09:24] <didrocks> yeah :-)
[09:25] <TheMuso> A 5 days, its just starting to get long enough that by the end, the desire to return to work las lessened. :p
[09:25] <TheMuso> At 5 days
[09:26] <TheMuso> s/las/has/
[09:26] <rodrigo_> :)
[09:39] <Sweetshark> didrocks: In germany, a lot of public holidays depend on the region. The historically catholic regions get quite a few more. Which is pretty annoying, but probably not worth another 30 years of war ...
[09:39] <pitti> in fact, I heard that Augsburg even has one extra holiday, on top of the already numerous Bavarian holidays..
[09:40]  * pitti will become an even bigger slacker
[09:41] <TheMuso> heh
[09:48]  * Sweetshark notes that the "dance prohibition" over easter is still legally in place in Hamburg, even though some radio station make to whole weekend to one big party.
[09:52] <xclaesse> rodrigo_, any reason why Empathy3 is not build with webkit in gnome3 ppa?
[09:53] <rodrigo_> xclaesse, hmm, no, no idea, maybe because it needs a newer webkit, like epiphany
[09:54] <rodrigo_> ricotz should know better
[09:54] <rodrigo_> but I guess it's because of that
[09:54] <xclaesse> rodrigo_, it build fine here
[09:55] <rodrigo_> let me see the branch...
[09:55] <xclaesse> ah, non, actually it fails because of webkit, sorry
[09:55] <xclaesse> /usr/include/webkit-3.0/webkit/webkitapplicationcache.h:28:1: error: function declaration isn't a prototype
[09:56] <rodrigo_> xclaesse, ah, so it needs a newer version, right?
[09:56] <xclaesse> webkit header seems broken
[09:56] <rodrigo_> ah
[09:57] <xclaesse> WEBKIT_API unsigned long long
[09:57] <xclaesse> webkit_application_cache_get_maximum_size(); --> missing a void
[09:58] <rodrigo_> is that fixed upstream?
[09:59] <xclaesse> I've no idea
[10:00] <rodrigo_> ok, I'll have a look later
[10:00] <xclaesse> rodrigo_, FYI, I added that (void) and now empathy master builds fine with webkit
[10:01] <xclaesse> so the fix for the ppa is trivial
[10:01] <xclaesse> just need to get it upstream
[10:04] <didrocks> Amaranth: http://lwn.net/Articles/438844/, FYI a long press is also valid
[10:14] <rodrigo_> xclaesse, ok
[10:14] <tjaalton> hmm, am I right that the wider grab area of the windows is the reason for bug 762335
[10:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 762335 in compiz "if window is touching the edge, compiz thinks it's on both desktops" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/762335
[10:15] <RAOF> I guess that fsck.btrfs being run on every boot is a bug which I should file :/
[10:15] <tjaalton> also, if you have two overlapping windows and move the cursor slowly over the border of the top window, it'll start "flashing" the focus between the windows
[10:16] <tjaalton> trying to find if that's filed already
[10:16] <tjaalton> a big minus to the "borderless" windows from here :/
[10:18] <rodrigo_> xclaesse, can you provide a merge proposal with that fix in for our gnome3 package branch then?
[10:20] <xclaesse> rodrigo_, I don't even have the source code of webkit
[10:20] <xclaesse> just patched in /usr/include manually :P
[10:20] <rodrigo_> xclaesse, ok
[10:34] <pitti> seb128: right, but over Easter weekend is bad, and we need to clear the old flat by mid-Maydata/incomplete-language-support-gnome.note.in ?
[10:35] <seb128> pitti, right, I see
[10:36] <pitti> rodrigo_: do you think that you can fix bug 649809 this week? (as it's currently marked RC for natty)
[10:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 649809 in gnome-settings-daemon "the session settings manager can try starting before the login screen one exits" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/649809
[10:36] <pitti> rodrigo_: or asked the other way around, how many people does that actually affect? should it actually be a release blocker?
[10:37] <rodrigo_> pitti, yes, I'm working on it, reviewing again and again the culprit patch, so yes, I hope to have it fixed very soon
[10:37] <pitti> rodrigo_: ok, keeping it on the list then; thanks!
[10:37] <rodrigo_> pitti, only a couple of people are affected, afaik from the bug's comments
[10:37] <pitti> rodrigo_: I'll downgrade it to medium then (i. e. target of opportunity, SRUable, but doesn't block the release)
[10:39] <seb128> rodrigo_, pitti: I don't think it's a blocker, fixing it at least in a SRU would be nice
[10:39] <pitti> I agree
[10:40] <seb128> pitti, it seemed a race on modern hardware and having no g-s-d is suboptimal and people get modern hardware over time so it feeled like worth targetting
[10:40] <seb128> but seems to turn out it's not only a race, like seems to affect only some users
[10:41] <rodrigo_> yes, the upstream fix seems to work for most people
[10:41] <rodrigo_> but anyway, hope to have it fixed today or tomorrow
[10:41] <rodrigo_> just need to review for the 100th time the patch and find the spot :)
[10:43] <bigon> pitti: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=619257 << any clue why you have added python-apt-dbg in the build-dep?
[10:43] <ubot2> Debian bug 619257 in pygobject "pygobject: [patch] fix test suite run during build" [Normal,Fixed]
[10:43] <didrocks> pitti: thanks for the FFe/UIe hack (even if it's reverting back :/)
[10:44] <pitti> bigon: we also run the tests in the -dbg build directory
[10:44] <pitti> bigon: and something in the dependencies uses apt apparetnly
[10:44] <bigon> ah ok
[10:45] <pitti> it's weird indeed, but I haven't examined this very deeply
[10:45] <pitti> just got the exception which complained about the missing module
[10:45] <bigon> I've been asked about this by the debian python team
[10:48] <pitti> well, if it gets in the way, just drop it; right now failed tests don't cause an FTBFS
[10:49] <pitti> or drop it temporarily until the 2.7 transition has settled down?
[11:05] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, bug 438868 has regressed in natty with a recent compiz or unity change
[11:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 438868 in kile "Numerous applications have focus issues after emerging from a screensaver or suspend" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/438868
[11:06] <chrisccoulson> firefox seems to be unusable again after the screensaver activates
[12:02] <bigon> pitti: mmm the pkg also build fine without the python-apt
[12:02] <pitti> bigon: did you get test case failures?
[12:05] <bigon> I did a 'grep -i apt' in the buildlog an I saw nothing
[12:07] <pitti> bigon: I mean any test failures in the -dbg builds which don't happen in the non-dbg ones?
[12:07] <pitti> I didn't really expect it either, I just got a crash on something which p-apt provided
[12:07] <pitti> but maybe that got fixed in the meantime
[12:30] <rodrigo_> hmm, danilo reports that webkit 1.3.13.orig.tar.gz is different in Debian than in Ubuntu
[12:33] <asac> what is strange that after upgrading to natty if feels like my thinkpad backlight at max level isn't as bright as it was before
[12:33] <asac> is there a setting i can tweak/fix to get that corrected? or is that just my memory playing games with me?
[12:33] <ogra_> apt-get remove LCD-sunglass ?
[12:34] <asac> lol
[12:34]  * asac checks if he has a *sunglass* package
[12:34] <ogra_> heh
[12:34] <asac> nope
[12:34] <asac> not there
[12:35]  * asac gets something to clean the screen ... maybe its just dirty
[12:35] <asac> but it definitly was far dirtier in the past
[12:35] <ogra_> probably it was less opaque dirt back then ;)
[12:40] <pitti> Sweetshark: do you have a lo-l10n upload available? that'll be the last step for bug 740815
[12:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 740815 in xulrunner-2.0 "[FFe] Updates to enable us to drop xulrunner from main" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740815
[12:40]  * pitti watches chrisccoulson smile
[12:45] <asac> yay, xul out of main ;)
[12:48] <Sweetshark> pitti: I have a dsc and it is still building in pbuilder.
[12:49] <pitti> ah, thanks
[12:50] <Sweetshark> the only thing changed in l10n is adding icelandic. So the risk would be pretty low. I will copy it to chintrap now ...
[12:50] <chrisccoulson> awesome, is it gone now then? :)
[13:11]  * rodrigo_ -> lunch
[13:16] <ogra_> seb128, is there a reason why nothing in gconf ships a trigger for update-gconf-defaults ? seems a lot cleaner than having to call that from postinst scripts when adding gconf overrides
[13:18] <seb128> ogra_, it was done before dpkg triggers and nobody added it since and gconf is deprecated
[13:18] <seb128> but feel free to do a patch for it next cycle
[13:18] <ogra_> ah, unity-2d uses it all over the place still
[13:18] <ogra_> well, if its dead i wont bother :)
[13:18] <seb128> we will aim at moving gconf out of the CD next cycle
[13:18] <ogra_> just struck me that a trigger is saner than a maintainer script
[13:19] <seb128> well it's not like what we have was not working
[13:19] <ogra_> indeed
[13:33] <fagan> got a small bug in the sound indicator for banshee and rhythmbox
[13:34] <fagan> im playing a song in rb and the current song is being displayed as if it was playing banshee and the previous song is in rb
[13:34] <fagan> ill get a screen
[13:38] <fagan> http://ubuntuone.com/p/nKb/
[13:39] <fagan> kenvandine: ^
[13:39] <Sweetshark> pitti: hold it with the l10n upload, I fubared that maybe.
[13:40] <pitti> Sweetshark: ok
[13:40] <pitti> Sweetshark: well, hopefully not the "bar" part :)
[13:42] <Sweetshark> pitti: there is hope still
[13:42] <Sweetshark> ;)
[13:49] <Sweetshark> pitti: what do I need to do to see LibreOffice private bugs? It is really annoying to get public bug that apport identifies as dupes of a private one, resulting in a "this is a dupe of bug foo, here is the link that you arent allowed to open" mail, leaving me fappergasted with a "wtf? I wanna have a look at the stacktrace!"
[14:03] <didrocks> pitti: can you have a look at bug #748676? The code change isn't risky
[14:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 748676 in unity "UIFe: Unity Dash button does not give adequate feedback" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/748676
[14:17] <seb128> mterry, hi
[14:18] <seb128> mterry, bug #752959 seems to be something quite some users run into, can you try to make it next on your todolist?
[14:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 752959 in libdbusmenu "gimp-2.6 crashed with SIGSEGV in g_variant_is_object_path()" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/752959
[14:23] <pitti> didrocks: Mark already kind of signed it off, so that's fine
[14:24] <didrocks> pitti: ok, I added the ubuntu-doc team then. Thanks
[14:35] <kenvandine> how do folks feel about completely removing gir1.2-indicate-gtk-0.5 at this point in the cycle?  it has no rdepends and having it installed completely breaks anything that uses gir1.2-indicate-0.5
[14:35] <kenvandine> and not simple to fix
[14:35] <kenvandine> they share a namespace
[14:36] <kenvandine> seb128, pitti: ^^
[14:36] <seb128> kenvandine, I'm fine dropping it
[14:37] <seb128> seems like it's not usuable now so nobody should be relying on it
[14:37] <kenvandine> right
[14:37] <kenvandine> and it has no rdepends...
[14:38] <pitti> kenvandine: I see no problem with dropping it
[14:38] <kenvandine> i have a fix for libindicate's broken vapi file, i'll upload that today and add a Replaces/Breaks
[14:39] <kenvandine> pitti, it's an odd case, it adds a couple functions for libindicate, but no objects you would ever use
[14:39] <kenvandine> so it can't be used on it's own
[14:48] <aquarius>  I've just upgraded, and I get "Update standard folders to current language?" which seems to want to move my Desktop folder to Downloads. What's that all about? I haven't changed my language, and I don't think I wat my Desktop folder moved
[14:50] <seb128> aquarius, seems mdz got it as well, do you have right now?
[14:50] <fagan> kenvandine: did you get my ping earlier about the sound menu?
[14:51] <kenvandine> fagan, no...
[14:51] <kenvandine> what's up?
[14:51] <aquarius> seb128, I do have it right now; I have carefully not closed the window in case anyone had questions about it :)
[14:51] <fagan> kenvandine: Im getting a weird issue when I play songs in rb
[14:52] <fagan> ill show you a screen
[14:52] <fagan> kenvandine: http://ubuntuone.com/p/nKb/
[14:52] <seb128> aquarius, what do you have in .config/user-dirs.locale
[14:52] <seb128> ?
[14:52] <fagan> kenvandine: it puts the currently playing song in banshee and the previous song in rb
[14:53] <fagan> so its a little bit of a funny bug
[14:53] <aquarius> seb128, en_US
[14:53] <aquarius> seb128, which is annoying, since I shouldn't have :)
[14:54] <seb128> aquarius, env | grep LC_
[14:54] <aquarius> seb128, also note that on my machine that's ~/Applications/Settings/user-dirs.locale (because I've set my xdg folders differently).
[14:54] <aquarius> seb128, LC_MESSAGES=en_GB.utf8
[14:54] <seb128> ok
[14:54] <seb128> so you did change your locale ;-)
[14:54] <seb128> g_build_filename (g_get_user_config_dir (),
[14:54] <seb128> 			       "user-dirs.locale", NULL);
[14:54] <seb128> aquarius, ^ that should handle your dir fine
[14:54] <seb128> (that's what the code do)
[14:55] <kenvandine> fagan, weird!  file a bug on that and point me at it
[14:55] <kenvandine> please
[14:55] <fagan> kenvandine: kk
[14:55] <seb128> aquarius, what do you have in user-dirs.dirs?
[14:55] <kenvandine> so white wedding was the previous song?
[14:56] <fagan> kenvandine: oh crap I mean the other way around
[14:56] <kenvandine> ok
[14:56] <fagan> it fleetwood mac was the previous
[14:56] <kenvandine> just describe it in the bug :)
[14:56] <fagan> yeah
[14:56] <kenvandine> and banshee isn't even running right?
[14:56] <fagan> kenvandine: correct
[14:57] <aquarius> seb128, user-dirs.dirs is http://paste.ubuntu.com/595521/
[14:57] <aquarius> seb128, it is quite possible that I did change my locale in the past and did it wrong (or did it right but only did half the work) but if I did it was *ages* ago. :)
[14:58] <aquarius> blimey, there's a lot of stuff in ~/.config which needs bugs filing about not hardcoding ~/.config as the path. :-)
[14:58] <fagan> kenvandine: and this is in natty with all updates install btw
[14:59] <fagan> Bug #764657
[14:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 764657 in indicator-sound "rhythmbox is displaying the current song in banshee's indicator and the previous song in its indicator" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/764657
[15:00] <seb128> aquarius, ok, so upstream doesn't have a en_GB locale and we got one recently from the launchpad translation export
[15:00] <seb128> aquarius, which explain why you just go the dialog
[15:01] <seb128> aquarius, it detected a locale mismatch with the config and what you use and found a translation for the new one so asked if you want to use that
[15:01] <aquarius> seb128, OK. I mean, I'm happy, I can deal with it. What's more concerning is that my dad would have no idea what it means, and that the dialog says "You have logged in in a new language" which suggests that I changed something, when I didn't.
[15:01] <aquarius> seb128, I think this is bug https://launchpad.net/bugs/209513
[15:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 209513 in xdg-user-dirs "After upgrade, "Update standard folders to current language" threatens to rename your home folder" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[15:05] <seb128> aquarius, right that dialog is suboptimal, especially if you consider en_US and en_GB which are not very different language
[15:05] <seb128> aquarius, it's meant to be a "first login is in english because your language is not on the CD, you install the langpack, restart the session and it asks if you want those folders in your locale"
[15:06] <aquarius> seb128, yeah, that was my thought. The dialog is all "you changed something and it's broken things" and I'm all "I didn't change anything! don't move my desktop folder!", which is why I thought I'd mention it :)
[15:08] <seb128> ;-)
[15:08] <seb128> aquarius, the wording is confusing, is that an old install upgraded?
[15:08] <aquarius> seb128, yep. this machine was originally hardy, when I bought it, and has been upgraded through all the releases up to the very latest :)
[15:08] <seb128> aquarius, did you close the dialog btw? or can you screenshot it?
[15:09] <seb128> aquarius, I think what it tries to tell you is that it will rename the "download" dir from desktop (which we used to set it to) to downloads
[15:10] <GunnarHj> pitti: Hi Martin,
[15:10] <GunnarHj> pitti: Thanks for fixing the guest-session code I proposed. Stupid of me to miss filenames starting with dots. :(
[15:10] <GunnarHj> pitti: The idea struck me when writing a help doc: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/gnome-user-docs/natty/view/head:/gnome-help/C/shell-guest-session.page
[15:10] <pitti> hey GunnarHj; no probl3em
[15:12] <aquarius> seb128, dialog screenshot at http://ubuntuone.com/p/nLD/
[15:13] <seb128> aquarius, right, it's a confusing dialog
[15:13] <seb128> aquarius, it wants to makes you download location point to Downloads rather than Desktop
[15:13] <aquarius> seb128, yeah, that's what I think it's doing. However, I like my downloads going onto my desktop, so I'm OK with saying "Keep Old Names", except...will this screw up a future upgrade? Will I get asked many times to rename it until I give in? It's worrying :)
[15:14] <seb128> aquarius, so in summary "that dialog sucks we know but it shouldn't show for lot of users"
[15:14] <seb128> aquarius, you can click "keep it", it will update the stored locale do be en_GB and will not display it until next time you change locale ;-)
[15:15] <aquarius> seb128, ok. I think the bug report covers most of the issues, so I'll affects-me-too the bug and leave it at that
[15:15] <seb128> aquarius, thanks
[15:15] <aquarius> seb128, cheers for helping with my confusion :)
[15:15] <seb128> yw ;-)
[15:33] <mterry> seb128, whoah, sorry for late reply to your ping about bug 752959 (using a different computer today and not used to notifications).  I can look at it
[15:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 752959 in libdbusmenu "gimp-2.6 crashed with SIGSEGV in g_variant_is_object_path()" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/752959
[15:33] <seb128> mterry, no worry, I can understand you have enough of my ping by now and put me in your ignore list :p
[15:34] <seb128> did you check if ted if he has any idea about this one?
[15:34] <seb128> tedg, ^
[15:35]  * tedg was glad mterry was looking at that one ;-)
[15:35] <seb128> mterry, one bug said it stopped happening after uninstalling the overlay scrollbars but that seems a bit weird, I still added the info to the bug in case
[15:35] <tedg> The only thing I could think of is that we're not getting the XID of the window and thus making a bad path.
[15:36] <tedg> Perhaps we need to handle that.
[15:36] <seb128> tedg, ^ if you didn't read the scrollbar comment
[15:36] <seb128> not sure if the scrollbars could mess on what has the focus
[15:36] <tedg> Yeah, we should just disable those ;-)
[15:36] <seb128> or on what xid you get
[15:37] <tedg> It shouldn't... as we're just asking GTK for the info.
[15:37] <tedg> It might be a race of some sort that's getting adjusted.
[15:41] <chrisccoulson> mvo, if i want to install a handler for a particular mimetype (say, a browser plugin), can I do this with sessioninstaller?
[15:45] <ogra_> chrisccoulson, so you dont want to switch to dillo as default in oneric ? why is that ?
[15:45] <chrisccoulson> ogra_, NO :)
[15:45] <chrisccoulson> heh ;)
[15:45] <ogra_> :)
[15:45] <chrisccoulson> ogra_ - you saw my response then?
[15:46] <ogra_> yep, indeed
[15:54] <mvo> chrisccoulson: yeah, that should work
[15:54] <chrisccoulson> mvo - cool, thanks!
[15:56] <Sweetshark> pitti: I might have found the issue in l10n. pbuilding now to confirm
[16:02] <Sweetshark> dillo sucks. lynx is the one true browser!
[16:03] <chrisccoulson> lol
[16:03] <chrisccoulson> Sweetshark, you should come to the default browser session at UDS then
[16:03] <chrisccoulson> perhaps we will have lynx as default ;)
[16:07] <asac> i guess the fact that i see the tray symbol of twinkle floating below the global menubar is by-design?
[16:10] <nessita> hi seb128! in bug #761731 I think you missed the fact that the scroll bar is indeed required, see how the "Show me my Ubuntu One folder" is not complete in the screenshot
[16:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 761731 in ubuntuone-control-panel "displays scrollbars by default when not required" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/761731
[16:11] <seb128> nessita, hey, sorry if the "not required" was not rightly worded but the dialog takes half of the vertical screen space so I would rather like to see the dialog taking a few extra pixels and not having a scrollbar ;-)
[16:13] <nessita> seb128: I see. The problem is that once you install the package, you will get more stuff there, and we want to avoid resizing the contents, so we need to save that space beforehand
[16:13] <nessita> seb128: not sure if my explanation makes sense :-/
[16:13] <seb128> nessita, well it seems that with 15 extra pixels you would have no scrollbar displayed but they would still display later if required, anyway it's a detail
[16:14] <seb128> nessita, the first time I had a lot of empty space, like half the scrollarea widget but it didn't happen again when I tried again for the screeenshot
[16:14] <nessita> seb128: right, but that is highly dependent on the font (size, dpi) you're using, so we should not rely on that...
[16:16] <nessita> seb128: we have another bug reporting that some of the widgets are not properly drawn in the services tab, see bug #750309
[16:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 750309 in ubuntuone-control-panel "Services tab layout doesn't work right" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/750309
[16:16] <nessita> seb128: maybe that was the issue you are referrring to?
[16:18] <seb128> nessita, no, but it seems like it's doing some show,hide on start, I can see the scrollbar being half scrolled for a one second and then it switches to the normal position
[16:18] <seb128> nessita, but don't worry about it, just close my bug
[16:18] <nessita> seb128: ok! /me loves closing bugs :-P
[16:19] <seb128> ;-)
[16:20] <desrt> chrisccoulson: i think we need to revisit galeon, actually
[16:20] <desrt> chrisccoulson: it's really a great browser
[16:21] <chrisccoulson> desrt, we don't even have that in the archive any more ;)
[16:21] <desrt> chrisccoulson: and with the increased testing that it would get, i'm sure it would improve quite a lot!
[16:21] <chrisccoulson> lol
[16:21] <chrisccoulson> :)
[16:21] <desrt> chrisccoulson: i didn't know that "in the archive" was a requirement
[16:21]  * desrt walks away mumbling... fascists...
[16:22] <chrisccoulson> desrt, it definitely wouldn't be difficult for us to support. it doesn't seem to have had a release for over 4 years, which means that it is zero maintenance :)
[16:23] <desrt> no need to worry about the security update policy
[16:23] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[16:24] <chrisccoulson> so, midori, anyone?
[16:24] <chrisccoulson> ;)
[16:24] <gord> no Mosaic fans?
[16:24] <desrt> NCSA A-OK!
[16:24]  * desrt now knows what posterboard he needs to get printed to bring to the session
[16:26] <chrisccoulson> i think there will be a lot of suggestions at the session ;)
[16:26] <chrisccoulson> desrt - are you going to be at UDS?
[16:26] <desrt> yup, times two.
[16:28] <asac> chrisccoulson: default browser session again?
[16:28] <chrisccoulson> asac - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2011-April/002885.html
[16:28] <asac> chrisccoulson: what are the odds that ffox gets demoted? anyone important really pushing for chromium still?
[16:29] <chrisccoulson> i just posted quite a lengthy reply
[16:29] <chrisccoulson> asac - there isn't really anyone pushing atm
[16:29] <desrt> i'll be in the session arguing for firefox
[16:29] <desrt> google already controls enough of my life :)
[16:29] <asac> bah
[16:30] <chrisccoulson> asac - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2011-April/002988.html was my response
[16:30] <chrisccoulson> desrt, \o/
[16:30] <asac> lets hope that was ok ;) ... otherwise you should hide at UDS ;)
[16:31] <desrt> i really intend to bring up the topic of which software is developed by a better process
[16:31] <desrt> and by better i do mean 'more in line with how we all wish the world could be'
[16:31] <desrt> the mozilla guys are doing it absolutely right
[16:32] <asac> firefox user-experience wins all pitches for everony seriously looking still ... ;)
[16:32] <asac> yeah
[16:32] <asac> chrisccoulson: good!
[16:42] <seb128> pitti, did you decide on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zsh/+bug/762286
[16:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 762286 in zsh "Please merge zsh 4.3.11-4 from Debian" [Wishlist,New]
[16:43] <seb128> ?
[16:43] <seb128> it's in the sponsoring queue and I'm not sure what to do with it
[16:43] <pitti> no strong opinion, but should be ok to upload; the PPA built, and Daniel tested it a bit
[16:43] <seb128> pitti, it migrated to testing in debian as well
[16:44] <seb128> pitti, ok, let's upload then, thanks
[16:44] <pitti> ah, good
[16:48] <seb128> pitti, what about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/ubuntu-sso-client/+bug/709494
[16:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 709494 in ubuntu-sso-client/stable-1-0 "[SRU] Missing user's name field" [High,Fix committed]
[17:02] <kenvandine> pitti, i've uploaded libindicate, would be great to get that pushed through
[17:02] <pitti> kenvandine: done
[17:03] <kenvandine> pitti, thx
[17:35] <rickspencer3> bryceh, I'm interested in the status of the i915 external monitor bug, when you get back
[17:50] <tkamppeter> pitti, around?
[17:59] <pitti> tkamppeter: hello again
[18:35] <bryceh> rickspencer3, pete's bug or another?
[18:36] <rickspencer3> bryceh, silbs' actually
[18:41] <chrisccoulson> pitti, it seems that icedtea-web is build-depending on xulrunner-dev again btw
[18:42] <pitti> without an alternative? *sigh*
[18:42] <pitti> sorry, need to go, time for sports; see you tomorrow!
[18:43] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I thought that already was fixed?
[18:43] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, it looks like it got dropped though :(
[18:45] <pitti> chrisccoulson: see #devel
[18:45]  * pitti runs
[18:45] <chrisccoulson> pitti - thanks
[18:47] <bryceh> rickspencer3, looks like we needed some data captured before/after the blank screen, which we're still waiting on from silbs, but another reporter who thinks they have the same problem gave the files so we sent those upstream.
[18:48] <rickspencer3> urk
[18:48] <rickspencer3> bryceh, given where we are in the cycle, is this something we can fix in an SRU?
[18:48]  * rickspencer3 shivers
[18:48] <bryceh> and it turned out the other person's data was useless anyway (same data before and after, which sounds not right)
[18:48] <rickspencer3> bryceh, so you need silbs to respond?
[18:49] <rickspencer3> I can ping her if you want
[18:49] <rickspencer3> she can't be the only one having this issue
[18:49] <bryceh> rickspencer3, the bug is going to be a kernel issue, so will require a kernel patch, and so it falls into kernel team policies as far as getting an SRU in
[18:49] <rickspencer3> bryceh, ack
[18:49] <rickspencer3> so, if didn't SRU we'd need to put a special kernel in a PPA?
[18:49] <rickspencer3> ouch
[18:50] <rickspencer3> bryceh, want me to ask silbs to grab the info you need?
[18:50] <bryceh> rickspencer3, I haven't seen that many blank screen arrandale bugs that match what she's seeing; blank screen bugs *tend* to be fairly hardware specific though
[18:50] <rickspencer3> bryceh, interesting
[18:51] <rickspencer3> well, it's only when she's trying to use an external monitor
[18:51] <bryceh> rickspencer3, yes; I assumed from mdz's post that he was going to help gather it but no recent reply from him - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdrm/+bug/747205/comments/34
[18:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 747205 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[arrandale] Black screen on all outputs when external VGA is connected" [Medium,Confirmed]
[18:52] <rickspencer3> affects 7 people and 3 dupes :/
[18:52] <bryceh> rickspencer3, ah yes and of course no sooner did I say that previous line than I spot two other similar bugs
[18:53] <rickspencer3> :)
[18:54] <mdz> bryceh, how can I help with 747205
[18:54] <bryceh> mdz, can you collect the files mentioned in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdrm/+bug/747205/comments/34 ?
[18:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 747205 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[arrandale] Black screen on all outputs when external VGA is connected" [Medium,Confirmed]
[18:54] <bryceh> mdz, another reporter provided the files but they weren't usable (and we'd rather have authentic data from the original reporter anyway)
[18:55] <mdz> bryceh, ok, can do
[18:58] <bryceh> rickspencer3, hmm I'm wondering if this is a recent kernel regression, because like I said I hadn't been seeing these types of bugs for a while and now a bunch seem to have sprung up
[18:58] <rickspencer3> bryceh, only in i915?
[18:58] <bryceh> rickspencer3, guess today I'll investigate these reports
[18:58] <bryceh> rickspencer3, arrandale
[18:59] <rickspencer3> dang it
[18:59] <rickspencer3> ok bryceh, I guess we'll have to start thinking about kernel SRUs to pick up fixes
[18:59] <bryceh> from what I can tell silbs' system is arrandale not i915?
[18:59] <rickspencer3> would be great to know specifically what is going on
[18:59] <bryceh> rickspencer3, yeah
[19:00] <rickspencer3> bryceh, ooh, I dunno, I thought it was i915 based on what lspci said
[19:00] <rickspencer3> but looking at the bug
[19:00] <bryceh> rickspencer3, wish we had someone on the kernel side dedicated to graphics...  I feel like I'm just a pinch hitter sometimes with KMS bugs now days
[19:01] <rickspencer3> bryceh, well, it would be good to get to the bottom of this for a next step, anyway
[19:01] <bryceh> rickspencer3, we've been having a LOT of problems relating to arrandale this cycle... previously it was freezes
[19:02] <bryceh> we'd assumed sandybridge would be the problematic one, and a few of us X guys got ahold of SB systems to prepare for that
[19:03] <rickspencer3> bryceh, well, there seem to be enough dupes that you should be able to get to the bottom of this, and we can start planning a fix :/
[19:03] <rickspencer3> I think the computers work other than the lack of the external monitor
[19:03] <rickspencer3> at least I hope so
[19:03]  * rickspencer3 steps away
[19:04] <bryceh> rickspencer3, yep will do.  I'll go through the other reports today and see if I can find an active tester to help us.  And see what other info is at hand.
[19:04] <rickspencer3> thanks man
[19:53] <chrisccoulson> note to self - don't open my daughters bedroom door to check she's asleep after she's only been quiet for a couple of minutes
[20:01] <nessita> hello crowd, any idea why aptdaemon is failing when requesting an install with NameError: global name 'trans' is not defined? full trace https://pastebin.canonical.com/46282/
[20:01] <tremolux> chrisccoulson: haha  :)
[20:01] <chrisccoulson> hi tremolux :)
[20:02] <tremolux> chrisccoulson: howdy!
[20:02] <chrisccoulson> my daughter is going crazy tonight, she just doesn't want to go to sleep
[20:02] <tremolux> chrisccoulson: how old is she now?
[20:03] <chrisccoulson> tremolux, she's 17 months old now
[20:04] <tremolux> chrisccoulson: heh, both my kids were like that too when they were little  :)  that's why your comment hit home
[20:04] <tremolux> chrisccoulson: time to read her another story sounds like  ;)
[20:05] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[20:08] <fagan> ronoc: hey, I filed that bug about the sound menu do you need any more info from me?
[20:09] <fagan> About it displaying in both the rb and banshee slots to be more exact
[20:09] <ronoc> fagan, yeah, looks odd. the sound service for each player makes sure to its own instance of the particular mpris object
[20:09] <ronoc> fagan, i can't reproduce it, can you each time ?
[20:09] <fagan> ronoc: its happening every time for me
[20:10] <fagan> but its only for rb not for banshee
[20:10] <didrocks> good night everyone
[20:10] <fagan> so it might be something to do with rb
[20:10] <ronoc> fagan, right so banshee is not running, you start rb and then the bug can be seen ?
[20:10] <fagan> ronoc: give me a sec and ill do it
[20:11] <ronoc> i'll try also
[20:12]  * fagan just made sure both were down
[20:12] <ronoc> fagan, I can't reproduce it so can't kenvandine
[20:12] <fagan> ronoc: yep I just got it there
[20:12] <fagan> first song
[20:12] <ronoc> weird
[20:12] <fagan> played with rb and its displayed in banshee's slot
[20:12] <kenvandine> fagan, and haven't seen it since?
[20:13] <fagan> kenvandine: I just reproduced it
[20:13] <fagan> again
[20:13] <kenvandine> oh... interesting
[20:13] <kenvandine> wonder why we can't
[20:13] <ronoc> kenvandine, fagan rb version ?
[20:13] <kenvandine> 0.13.3-0ubuntu5
[20:13] <fagan> Rhythmbox 0.13.3
[20:14] <fagan> (from the about box)
[20:14] <ronoc> yup
[20:14] <fagan> 0.13.3-0ubuntu5
[20:14] <ronoc> banshee 2.0.0-1ubuntu2
[20:14] <fagan> same
[20:14] <kenvandine> same here
[20:15] <fagan> AMD64?
[20:15] <kenvandine> ys
[20:15] <ronoc> no
[20:15] <ronoc> x86
[20:15] <fagan> any place I can poke to get whats going on?
[20:15] <ronoc> how about dfeet
[20:16] <ronoc> can you open up dfeet and take a look at the mpris metadata property
[20:16] <kenvandine> ronoc, how about i hold off a few minutes on this distro patch
[20:16] <ronoc> on the banshee interface
[20:16] <kenvandine> in case you come up with something for this bug
[20:16] <ronoc> kenvandine, sounds good, but I'm not working all night :)
[20:16] <kenvandine> ronoc, understand :)
[20:17] <fagan> well im going to head off in 10 minutes myself just wanted to check if there was anything needed for the bug
[20:17] <kenvandine> ronoc, i am ready to upload with this patch, so just give me the word :)
[20:17] <ronoc> kenvandine, cool
[20:17] <ronoc> fagan, grand
[20:17] <ronoc> fagan, do you know about dfeet
[20:17] <fagan> not particularly :)
[20:17] <kenvandine> d-feet is extremely useful
[20:17] <ronoc>  fagan, okay apt-get install d-feet
[20:17] <kenvandine> :)
[20:17] <fagan> got it already
[20:17] <ronoc> cool
[20:18] <ronoc> fagan, so while you can see the bug
[20:18] <fagan> so you just put in the address of the dbus server and can listen to it?
[20:18] <ronoc> fagan, open d-feet, go the banshee mpris name
[20:18] <ronoc> click on the session tab
[20:18] <ronoc> session bus tab rather
[20:18] <ronoc> see it ?
[20:18] <fagan> yep I see the list
[20:19] <fagan> banshee isnt on the list just rb
[20:19] <ronoc> quel, go to org.mpris.Mediaplayer2.Banshee ?
[20:19] <ronoc> huh
[20:19] <ronoc> oh
[20:19] <fagan> I mean im playing the song in rb
[20:19] <ronoc> oh of course sorry
[20:19] <ronoc> wtf
[20:20] <fagan> and the bug is still happening so shouldnt it have banshee and rb there if its putting it into both slots?
[20:20] <ronoc> fagan, do you use banshee at all ? i.e. do you have the sound menu integration turned on in banshee ?
[20:21] <fagan> yep im on the default ubuntu except that im using rb
[20:21] <ronoc> fagan, so you use banshee at all ?
[20:21] <fagan> so I have the menu integration turned on and it works like normal if banshee is on
[20:21] <kenvandine> ronoc,  plus it is giving him player controls for banshee
[20:21] <ronoc> do even
[20:21] <fagan> ooooh interesting
[20:22] <fagan> so its just displaying the song info in the banshee slot
[20:22] <fagan> the controls still work for banshee
[20:22] <ronoc> kenvandine, well that was mpt's instruction, he wants the players controls for banshee exposed even when the player is not running
[20:22] <ronoc> oh sorry i get it
[20:22] <kenvandine> oh yeah
[20:23] <kenvandine> but if he didn't have the extension it wouldn't right?
[20:23] <ronoc> don't know. must test. I can't see how it should happen
[20:23] <fagan> oooh and if I play a song in banshee it keeps the slot but rb still trys to display the currently playing song in banshee's one and the previous in rb's slot
[20:23] <kenvandine> oh this is interesting
[20:24] <ronoc> kenvandine, can you reproduce this at all ?
[20:24] <kenvandine> ronoc, so if banshee is running and rb isn't, i don't see player controls for rb
[20:24] <fagan> then if I kill banshee rb takes back the slot
[20:24] <kenvandine> but if banshee isn't running and rb is i do see player controls for banshee?
[20:24] <ronoc> kenvandine, yeah that is correct
[20:24] <fagan> yeah thats correct
[20:24] <kenvandine> ronoc, ok... that is a bit odd feeling
[20:25] <fagan> it is slightly but thats mpt's design
[20:25] <ronoc> banshee being the default player gets special privileges
[20:25] <kenvandine> i see
[20:25] <ronoc> hyperair, likes this :)
[20:25] <kenvandine> i thought we displayed those regardless
[20:25]  * kenvandine doesn't usually have more than one installed
[20:26] <fagan> kenvandine: well I like rb more so I have both
[20:26] <kenvandine> fagan, are you playing a playlist?
[20:26] <kenvandine> or can you repro it just by hitting next?
[20:26]  * ronoc has 6 players in his menu
[20:26] <fagan> kenvandine: nope
[20:26] <fagan> I dont use playlists
[20:26] <kenvandine> ok
[20:26] <fagan> I just hit random
[20:27] <fagan> it is an interesting one
[20:27] <fagan> ronoc: so is there a place I should be looking for in d-feet?
[20:28] <fagan> I have the mpris one for rb open
[20:28] <kenvandine> ok, i can't reproduce...
[20:28] <kenvandine> crazy
[20:28] <ronoc> fagan, well not really since banshee is not running
[20:28] <fagan> kenvandine: must be something on my install
[20:28] <kenvandine> funny, "Crazy" by aerosmith is my current track too :)
[20:28]  * ronoc goes back to trying to reproduce
[20:29] <fagan> kenvandine: my one was "here I go again" from whitesnake
[20:29] <fagan> :)
[20:29] <kenvandine> :)
[20:30] <JFo> a bug for you: bug 764141
[20:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 764141 in nautilus "[Natty-Beta2] Ubuntu doesn't recognize USB Music player, mounts it as a disk and treats it like one." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/764141
[20:30]  * JFo puts a bow on it ;-)
[20:30] <fagan> JFo: nice present
[20:30] <JFo> fagan, :-)
[20:31] <JFo> I have many to give (I wish I could give them ;))
[20:31] <seb128> JFo, by putting the version in the title you don't win points to get your bug read ;-)
[20:32] <fagan> hehe
[20:32] <JFo> fagan, I am mainly interested in whether this is something for you guys to look at, I don't want it to sit and be missed.
[20:32] <JFo> seb128, I didn't do that, must have been the reporter :)
[20:32] <fagan> JFo: Im on the u1 team im just here to cause trouble
[20:32] <seb128> JFo, it's like to sit there though
[20:32] <JFo> fagan, I can appreciate that :-)
[20:32] <seb128> likely
[20:33] <JFo> seb128, I'm ok with that. I just want to make sure I know where bugs would be most able to be worked when they are not pure kernel
[20:34] <fagan> brb just restarting just to check if it goes away
[20:35] <seb128> JFo, onthose media player misdetected as a player media-player-info is correct as a first guess
[20:35] <JFo> seb128, Sarvatt beat me to it :)
[20:36] <JFo> but thank you, I will definitely make a note of that
[20:36] <kenvandine> ronoc, any luck?
[20:36] <ronoc> kenvandine, nope
[20:36] <ronoc> kenvandine, i gotta go soon
[20:36] <kenvandine> ok, i'll proceed then :)
[20:36] <ronoc> kenvandine, cool
[20:36] <kenvandine> have a good night ronoc
[20:37] <fagan> ronoc: close the bug
[20:37] <ronoc> fagan, really ?
[20:37] <ronoc> fagan, what was the issue ?
[20:37] <seb128> JFo, getting an udevadm info --export-db log is usually useful there as well
[20:37] <fagan> must have been something with an update and me not restarting or something
[20:37] <ronoc> kenvandine, thanks, you too
[20:37] <fagan> ronoc: its gone after the restart
[20:37] <JFo> seb128, will request that
[20:37] <ronoc> fagan, grand, take it easy, talk soon
[20:37] <seb128> JFo, thanks
[20:37] <fagan> ronoc: night night
[20:37] <fagan> :)
[20:37] <ronoc> later guys
[20:37] <JFo> seb128, my pleasure
[20:37] <JFo> :)
[20:38]  * fagan tries one more thing 
[20:38] <seb128> JFo, though your bug already have a udevdb.txt so that might not be needed there
[20:38] <seb128> JFo, I guess apport collect those infos for linux bugs
[20:39] <seb128> JFo, if you need someone to ping about that sort of issues it's usually pitti's land
[20:39] <JFo> yep, it does... was checking that myself. too much to keep track of sometimes :)
[20:39] <JFo> seb, thanks for the info
[20:46] <seb128> JFo, yw
[21:06] <xclaesse> rodrigo_, remember the build issue for empathy with webkit?
[21:06] <xclaesse> it is already fixed in upstream with git commit 8dd756f90c0140f620f02164da9e04354a6d0ec9
[21:47] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - you've been busy with bug triaging haven't you? ;)
[21:47] <chrisccoulson> i just noticed all the recent e-mails in my inbox have your name on them
[21:48] <chrisccoulson> want to triage some firefox bugs? :P
[21:48] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you better start triaging galeon bugs instead of trolling me
[21:48] <chrisccoulson> lol
[21:48] <chrisccoulson> i'll buy you beer at UDS ;)
[21:48] <seb128> you will see when it's going to be default next cycle :p
[21:49] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[21:49] <seb128> \o/
[21:49] <chrisccoulson> i thought we had already agreed that lynx will be the default?
[21:49] <chrisccoulson> there's no point in having the session - it's already decided now ;)
[21:49] <seb128> don't confuse me with those server hippies :p
[21:50] <chrisccoulson> lol
[21:50] <seb128> chrisccoulson, it's not really "triaging" btw, I just opened the gedit list and figured there was a stack of bugs untriaged I could care less about there
[21:50] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[21:51] <seb128> so I go through and set the setting to low with a stock reply to either get a stacktrace or send the bug upstream or add info basically
[21:53] <seb128> chrisccoulson, do you watch all desktop bugs still?
[21:53] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i still watch quite a few desktop packages. but, "watch" normally means that i scan my inbox occasionally and delete anything i've not been assigned too ;)
[21:55] <chrisccoulson> maaan, firefox 6 is way to stable. it should be more broken than this :)
[21:56] <seb128> chrisccoulson, 6? they skipped 5?
[21:56] <seb128> chrisccoulson, seems your approch to desktop bugs is similar to mine nowadays ;-)
[21:56] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - 5 is on the way ;)
[21:56] <seb128> "go over the titles, read a few if the title seems interting, mark as read"
[21:57] <seb128> interting -> interesting
[21:57] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's my approach :)
[21:58] <seb128> that's how I end up opening the gedit (or $component) every now and then and figure the list start by 60 untriaged bugs, then I spend half an hour going through and setting priorities to low to every that don't seem something important and stock reply a few on the way
[21:59] <seb128> we need a bug "right, that's a bug but it's minor and we will not work on it so please hide if from my list"
[21:59] <seb128> we need a "button"
[21:59] <seb128> rather ;-)
[22:03] <mterry> tedg, guh, I'm interested in you taking a look at bug 752959 for me.  I've been staring at server.c in dbusmenu, trying to see how we could end up calling bus_get_cb with a bogus user_data, but I can't see it
[22:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 752959 in libdbusmenu "gimp-2.6 crashed with SIGSEGV in g_variant_is_object_path()" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/752959
[22:04] <desrt> man that GVariant stuff is so buggy
[22:04] <seb128> oh, a desrt!
[22:04] <desrt> hi seb :)
[22:05] <seb128> hey desrt ;-)
[22:05] <desrt> going insane yet?
[22:06] <desrt> aside from all of the 'unity sux!!' bugs it actually seems like a fairly quiet cycle...
[22:07] <seb128> well it has been different for sure this cycle
[22:07] <seb128> but I can't say it has been a quiet cycle, it has been as busy as usual or busier with different upstream ;-)
[22:07] <desrt> ya.. i guess from my gnome perspective it just seems quiet
[22:07] <desrt> oneric is sure to be more fun from the gnome side
[22:08] <seb128> indeed, for some definition of fun
[22:08] <desrt> :)
[22:08] <seb128> I would say "interesting" rather
[22:08] <desrt> robert said that you guys are planning to phase out the gnome3 ppa
[22:08] <seb128> did he?
[22:08] <desrt> ya
[22:08] <desrt> sort of makes sense, i guess
[22:08] <seb128> I didn't talk to him for like 2 weeks
[22:08] <desrt> as you start merging stuff into oneric...
[22:08] <seb128> you mean next cycle?
[22:08] <desrt> yes
[22:09] <seb128> yeah, makes sense
[22:09] <seb128> we want to land GNOME3 next cycle
[22:09] <desrt> i started a new ppa for 'upstream gnome' packages
[22:09] <seb128> I'm not fully happy about it
[22:09] <desrt> pure shell experience, etc.
[22:09] <seb128> but I don't see a better realistic way
[22:09] <seb128> desrt, you did?
[22:09] <desrt> ya
[22:09] <seb128> I'm wondering how many ppa we will get duplicates for that
[22:09] <desrt> got a bleeding edge glib in there right now which is serving me nicely
[22:09] <seb128> there is a "gnome-remix" one as well
[22:10] <desrt> (which i actually need for the work i'm doing at the moment)
[22:10] <desrt> interesting.
[22:10] <desrt> i don't know how much effort i plan to put in... just have glib/gtk so far
[22:10] <seb128> I wish those people would work on the GNOME3 though
[22:10] <seb128> they seem to mostly duplicate it for no reason
[22:11] <desrt> ya... i've heard that there are a few that are almost straight copies
[22:11] <desrt> anyway... robert mentioned that he might want to try to setup some recipies for daily builds
[22:11] <seb128> brave man
[22:12] <desrt> maybe i should call the ppa 'grumpy' :)
[22:12] <seb128> ;-)
[22:12] <seb128> let's try to get GNOME3 properly in
[22:12] <desrt> you have some gripes about gnome3 itself, don't you?
[22:12] <seb128> I will already be happy if users are fine with that
[22:12] <seb128> I can see them complaining a lot though
[22:12] <desrt> new control centre, etc.
[22:12] <seb128> yes
[22:13] <seb128> which is what makes me a bit nervous
[22:13] <desrt> ya... it's pretty rough at the moment
[22:13] <seb128> I can see users not agreeing with the dropping of some of the options
[22:13] <desrt> i mean... this is gnome and we're used to having no options
[22:13] <desrt> but this is a bit ridiculous :)
[22:13] <seb128> or with the "just use gnome-tweak"
[22:14] <seb128> I'm wondering if we will need to step up to put back some features back in the distro in one way or the other
[22:21] <tedg> mterry, I agree with your assessment, I don't see anything either.  Looking at some of the dups...
[22:24] <tedg> mterry, I think that bug 738568 is not referencing the server before getting the bus.
[22:24] <tedg> mterry, But I'm not sure it's the same.
[22:24] <tedg> mterry, I'll get that one.
[23:14] <bigon> pitti: around?