[00:00] good question [00:00] backwards? [00:00] new stuff at the top [00:01] thats not that unusual is it? [00:01] gmail does it [00:01] outlook does [00:01] unlike IRC [00:01] no it doesn't [00:01] oh [00:01] gmail puts the latest messages at the bottom [00:01] oh [00:01] most recent conversation at the top though [00:01] so that you can read them in chronological order [00:01] but yes, i see [00:02] i still think twitter is not meant to be read [00:02] threading really annoys some people, user preference is interesting [00:02] off to bed, will see if it's still running in 8 hours time [00:02] gn [00:02] bah [00:02] one more bug to file in cof [00:03] popey: are you following your stream or the sample stream? [00:04] mine [00:04] Bug #764060 [00:04] Launchpad bug 764060 in Circle of Friends "window doesn't redraw when resized" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/764060 [00:05] somewhat excessive screenshot there :) [00:05] bah, people keep saying interesting things in my stream, i have to keep going to gwibber or twitter.com to see the urls :) [00:05] oh, or the terminal I ran it from [00:05] thats less bad [00:09] http://ubuntuone.com/p/bFk/ :) [00:10] first thing I thought was "nice shower curtain" [00:10] at some point you are going to come across some picture that you will wish you could un-see [00:10] yes. [00:11] AlanBell: Hmm... I have sadly *shudders* [00:11] * AlanBell passes the eye bleach [00:12] The goggles! They do nothing!! [00:20] heh, it has drag and drop support! [00:20] try dragging and dropping a tweet onto another tweet [00:21] nothing happens [00:21] it moved [00:22] ah === System is now known as Guest9939 [00:25] night all [00:25] so... pidgin has a plugin for twitter api [00:26] and it seems to actually make sense [00:26] that would work better than gwibber with streaming [00:26] urls work too [00:26] beacause twitter is instant messaging when you have streaming [00:26] probably works with libpurple too if you insist on using empathy [00:29] no tab completion on replies [00:30] also it acts like a 1 on 1 chat so you get "highlighted" whenever a tweet comes in [00:33] it doesn't actually use streaming... it uses api [00:33] and default refresh rate is 60 seconds [00:52] smuxi irc client also does twitter === webpigeon is now known as Guest54610 [02:18] Anyone here used the Software Centre thing? [06:29] [Jono Bacon] Help Me Be Better Meme - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/04/18/help-me-be-better-meme/ [07:51] morning all [07:56] morning [08:33] oioi [08:34] mawnin dwatkins [08:48] Morning all [08:56] hey folks, hope Monday isn't starting with too much of a jolt [09:21] morning all [09:22] morning [09:27] saw one of those hideous self-service tills in sainsbury's today running windows XP chkdsk :D [09:27] most of them run windows to be honest [09:27] Even more disturbing to see ATMs running XP. [09:27] that's why 1 in 3 is always out of service [09:28] morning [09:29] It could be worse, it could have been MR or Vista [09:29] s/MR/ME [09:31] probably the only time i use windows is when i get money out [09:31] Good morning peoples :) [09:32] xp is always used for that type of thing to be honest, it's the best out of the vista,me,98 lot [09:49] I wonder how hidious combination would be lemon and ginger curd with blue cheese [09:49] on a bread [09:50] That sounds revolting aoart from the bread part [09:51] Must be something Finnish :P [09:52] lemon curd is something very distinctly british [09:53] and even the blue cheese culture is roquefort [09:53] and is yummy [09:53] \o/ [09:53] not sure that lemon curd and blue cheese is a traditional combo though [09:53] Blue cheese I would eat, but lemon & ginger curd sounds offensive in comparison [09:54] however it all ends up in the same place so I would eat it [09:54] it's all I've got in the fridge :-( [09:54] apart from piripiri chilies and mustard [09:54] cheese + mustard = yum [09:54] oh, well in that case, it sounds lovely, enjoy! [09:55] Sounds good, toast, melted cheese and mustard on top [09:55] I think I'll just have cookies instead :-/ [09:56] gah, having such a rubbish start to the week! [09:57] kazade: Hows the twitter client coming on [09:57] DJones, getting there: http://i.imgur.com/2YO0S.png [09:58] DJones, you can keep an eye on progress here: http://www.kazade.co.uk/bugs/projects/ooosh/versions/1 [09:58] That looks good [09:58] it does [09:58] gonna sell it on a "pay what you want" basis (i.e commonly nothing) [09:59] kazade: what is doing the rendering of tweets? is that a web thing? [09:59] Webkit [09:59] Greetings and felicitations! [09:59] and is it using the twitter streaming API? [09:59] AlanBell, no, that's gonna have to come later [09:59] I saw you are working on that ;) [10:00] I'm running natty at home, so if you need any extra testing, I'm quite happy to run it, AlanBell's looked good yesterday, very fast [10:00] streaming API works great [10:01] AlanBell, how do you deal with the constantly updating display? [10:01] I'm coding mine at the moment to only update the view if the users isn't looking at it, otherwise display a "More tweets have arrived, display?" type message [10:02] to prevent it jumping around [10:03] morning slackers [10:03] morning popey ;) [10:03] hi popey [10:03] congrats on getting all the tickets for oggcamp gone :) [10:03] :) [10:04] yeah, kinda impressed they went [10:04] hope people turn up! [10:04] kazade: well I am using a gtk treeview widgit [10:04] I really wanted not to do the "rerender the whole stream" approach that gwibber does [10:05] because that sucks [10:05] yeah [10:05] I might use JS to dynamically update it actually [10:05] that would be cool, I could slide the tweets down.. [10:05] yup, that would be nice [10:06] reloading the whole thing is a bit of a nightmare for screenreaders [10:07] as is webkit tbh [10:07] so I wanted to use gnome components [10:07] probably a good decision [10:07] does it mean that handling images, urls etc. is a little more tricky though? [10:08] hell yeah! [10:08] that's the advantage of webkit, you get a lot of stuff "free" [10:08] images not too bad [10:08] clickable URLs are a bit of an issue [10:08] does ocra only work on gtk stuff? [10:09] strictly speaking no, it works on other stuff too [10:09] but not webkit or Qt [10:09] Qt bindings are just about on the verge of existing [10:10] but you're hosed if you use something like Air? [10:10] probably [10:11] the lack of webkit is why things like the slideshow in ubiquity are silent [10:12] popey: is there a cancellation queue for the oggcamp ticket? [10:12] +s [10:12] * AlanBell thinks they should stop teasing people with the "sold out" sign [10:13] heh [10:13] kazade: are you planning to reduce the gap between tweets to fit more into a page? hotot achieves it nicely [10:14] oimon, the template is customizable ;) [10:14] :D [10:14] AlanBell, this seems to indicate that Orca works with webkit-gtk: http://osdir.com/ml/orca-list/2011-03/msg00171.html [10:16] twitter streaming api would be massively useful when following sports events via twitter [10:17] watched the last 15 mins of a football game yesterday using #arsenal hashtag - worked as good as radio [10:18] morning. someone point me in the right direction to install gnome 3 on natty (a maverick might also work too). [10:18] oimon, I can see why streaming would be useful for following a hashtag or search [10:18] I'm not sure it's as useful on your home stream though, although it would be nice to have the option [10:18] kazade: certainly for a fast moving event such as sport [10:18] !gnome3 | n1md4 [10:18] #join geoserver [10:19] I thought there was a factoid for that [10:19] kazade: yeah, webkit-gtk is starting to become readable, in fact yelp in natty is just about workable (but not well structured) [10:19] kazade: try http://launchpad.net/circleoffriends [10:19] Gnome 3 is not currently supported on Ubuntu. A PPA is available at https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3 but these packages are _experimental_, _unstable_ and may break your system. [10:20] AlanBell, will do [10:20] n1md4: I found the factoid :) [10:20] !unity [10:20] Unity is a shell for GNOME, but it is not GNOME-shell. See http://unity.ubuntu.com and http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/10/31/unity-some-further-clarification-points/ for more information. Have a question, check http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/unity [10:20] haha, I just discovered that unlike unity, middle click on DockbarX closes the application rather than opening a new window [10:20] if you don't have the streaming home page then you might be seeing tweets that are up to 59 seconds old. That is stale news. [10:21] lol [10:22] :) [10:23] * popey gets ready to reply to every tweet with "OLD!" [10:23] AlanBell, it's not working for me :( [10:23] I authorized it... and now I have the window but no tweets [10:23] wait [10:24] /tweet @kazade bet you see something now? [10:24] ah! [10:24] I see [10:24] :) [10:24] that's cool [10:24] there was ~6 seconds between my tweet going and me saying it in here [10:24] * oimon waits for the day that gwibber gets sidelined by a quick and lightwieght twitter client [10:24] you probably got it before me saying it here [10:24] popey, yeah it came up pretty quick [10:25] if you tweet something you will see your tweet come up in the stream. there is *nothing* special about your own tweets, that is how fast it is between a tweet happening and you seeing it. [10:26] there is a bot in another irc channel I am in, which uses the streaming API [10:26] my irssi goes "bonk" whenever there is a /notice (which the bot does) [10:26] I press enter to send tweet and hear the "bonk" near enough immediately [10:27] DJones: thanks [10:31] AlanBell, what if you are watching a really fast stream? e.g 100s of tweets per second. do you have any ideas on how to handle that? [10:31] yes :) it goes *fast* [10:31] any screenshots? [10:32] it can follow the sample stream, look at line 300 of bin/circleoffriends [10:33] uncomment the lines and restart to follow the fastest stream of utter inane garbage you have ever seen in your life [10:33] does it run on windows/osx? [10:34] probably, if you install gtk [10:34] and desktopcouch :) [10:34] so perhaps not [10:34] AlanBell, that's pretty fast [10:34] too fast... [10:34] heh [10:34] ah crap, now I'm getting notify-osd spammed :) [10:35] yeah, that is why it says to comment that bit out! [10:35] * popey files bug 764400 [10:35] Launchpad bug 764400 in Circle of Friends "cof should work behind a proxy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/764400 [10:35] nice number [10:36] hmm, surprised it doesn't [10:36] bug #750000 [10:36] Launchpad bug 750000 in L2TP over IPsec VPN Manager "Disconnection of physical network interface not detected" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/750000 [10:37] hmm i think that guy reported that bug just to get the mythical 750,000 number...reported and fixed himself within same day [10:40] AlanBell, popey: http://www.kazade.co.uk/bugs/issues/23 [10:40] http://evilrouters.net/achievement-unlocked/ :D [10:41] phew notify-osd has caught up [10:42] kazade: did you try moving the scrollbar when watching the sample stream? [10:42] nope, I was busy trying to read some of them :p [10:42] I guess it stops moving? [10:42] it stays static but when you are at the top it sticks there and the stream rolls past [10:44] I think I'll probably handle it by having some kind of threshold where it stops updating the screen and falls back to manual refreshing (if the user is watching) [10:45] and I'll do something similar with notify-osd... at the moment my client only displays up to 3 tweets, if more than that come in during an update it just says "You received X tweets" [10:46] just my two pennys, but notifications should be used when you want to grab someones attention "someone has mentioned you in a tweet" - not "you have new tweets". that can happily live in the message indicator [10:46] please, we really really really don't need more notify-osd spam :) [10:50] this is true [10:53] DJones: Very very broken! I'm now reinstalling xD [10:55] n1md4: heh, Doesn't surprise me yet, most of the devs will presumably been working on unity & as gnome 3 has only just come out & isn't officially supported its got to be expected [10:56] gnome 3 just came too late in the cycle to be included in ubuntu and as gnome-shell required components of gnome 3, couldn't be included. it'll all be in fine in O [10:57] * oimon is about to vote in the referendum [10:57] gord: After a few days using unity, I'd say don't bother with gnome 3, unity works brilliantly for me (I may be the only one saying that, but it does) [10:58] lots of people are :) just - as with everythiing, vocal minorities [10:59] Unity is for the most part fine, the panel though is a mess IMO [11:00] The thing thats impressed me the most is the workspace switcher & having the 4 workspaces displayed & able to see whats changing on them so I can decide which one I want to go to [11:00] I'm getting sick of being unable to close or minimize background maximized windows [11:00] Unity worked for me ... technically. [11:00] morning all [11:00] kazade: yeah, i dont like that either [11:01] having to click a lot more with unity than i ever did before [11:01] popey: You just don't like anything recently do you ;) [11:01] (partly because I used to use ffm, so rarely click) [11:01] ok, shrug it off then [11:01] wheeee nothing to see here, all is fine, no, nobody dislikes unity, it's all great [11:01] * popey wanders off [11:02] There is a huge thread on Ayatana about the panel issues [11:02] popey: FFM should be back for the next release as some of the devs use it primary one is Pitti if I recall so it will work [11:02] so far, no-one from Canonical has responded (MPT summarized the video that started the thread though) [11:03] davmor2: I know pitti uses it, I've chatted to him about it [11:03] as does kees [11:04] AlanBell: is this meant to be 4 seconds long? http://blip.tv/file/4904015 [11:04] bigcalm: no [11:04] but it's a regression and I'd be staggered if it came back in a way that worked the way GNOME 2 does [11:04] * bigcalm wants to know more! [11:04] bigcalm: there is a link somewhere to the streaming ogv [11:04] or just install the thing, it isn't hard [11:05] AlanBell: maybe later :) [11:06] bigcalm: http://blip.tv/file/4904015?filename=Alanbell-CircleOfFriendsTheTwitterClient799.ogv [11:07] AlanBell: ta :) [11:08] hmm. streaming ogv seems to be a still frame [11:08] 4904015?filename=Alanbell-CircleOfFriendsTheTwitterClient799.ogv: HTML document text [11:09] Circle Of Friends - the Twitter Client 0:00 seconds long [11:09] http://blip.tv/file/get/Alanbell-CircleOfFriendsTheTwitterClient799.ogv is the actual url [11:09] ah, that works [11:10] think the icon for it should be three chicken eggs in the ubuntu circle of hands style. [11:11] haha [11:13] if CoF shows anything, it's that there's a lot of nonsense being spouted on twitter every single second [11:13] directhex: what video card should I get to replace my 7900 pls? [11:16] does the 7900 do vdpau stuff? [11:16] oimon: not to worry if people don't want to hear they can block you ;) [11:17] :P [11:17] The twitter client of the future eh? ;) [11:17] AlanBell: what's it written in? [11:17] bigcalm: python if it's using quickly [11:17] imagine CoF receiving that speed feed, piped into text to speech generator...it would be blah blah bieber blah blah bieber [11:18] oimon: to be fair you would tune into that feed would you, you'd pick you're own [11:19] Ah well, I won't be contributing then :( [11:19] * oimon is a bieber-free zone [11:24] gord: not sure [11:24] gord: trying to "max out" my desktop, which means a new video card and a Q6600 CPU [11:25] popey, for gaming? [11:25] a bit, yes [11:25] not a tremendous amount [11:25] what do you want to spend? [11:25] not much [11:26] the 7900 in there came with the pc some 4 years ago [11:26] iirc [11:26] geforce 550? [11:26] is that "current" gen? [11:27] graphics cards are at a... funny. place right now. new consoles are spinning up which means that a new graphics card won't be much good in 3 years time. but wait a year and that graphics card will be good three years after that [11:27] i have a gtx 260 and it plays pretty much everything at the highest quality at 1920x1200 [11:27] popey, yes, 500-series is current [11:27] ta [11:28] or ati 6000-series [11:28] is that 1xdvi and 1xhdmi? [11:28] depends on the card, that's the usual combination [11:29] lol - Just got some spam telling us we are due a tax refund from hmrc. The URL points to a domain called newgaytruckstop... :-) [11:29] i've seen a real mix - 2xdvi+mini-hdmi, 2xdvi+displayport+hdmi, dvi+vga+hdmi, etc [11:29] hmm, my current card has 2xdvi [11:30] TheOpenSourcerer, never been to new gay? [11:30] my 260 has 2x dvi [11:30] digital outputs are pretty interchangable anyway [11:30] Newquay yes. [11:30] thanks chaps [11:32] TheOpenSourcerer: hope you didn't visit the urL! [11:32] oimon: I might look daft but... [11:32] Anyway - I'm not on Windows :-) [11:33] there's daft and there's curious..if someone says, don't press this button, i start wondering... [11:33] like the time i found a box marked treasure, behind a desk in a shared office once [11:33] to look or not to look? [11:34] oh, right. you have to put coffee in your coffee maker for coffee to come out. learn something new every day [11:36] AlanBell: I'm curious did you file a bug against gwibber, and if so did you then point them at the circle of friends to see how they might improve what they have. [11:42] davmor2: no and no, not yet [11:44] not sure what bug I would file tbh [11:46] searching twitter for keyword gwibber shows there is a lot of hate for it out there! [11:46] AlanBell: "ubuntu-bug qwibber" gwibber should have streaming content by now for twitter in the bug put I used quickly to throw this example code into play lp:circleoffriends :) they'll file it appropriately [11:47] that's because it is really an awful app [11:47] nowadays [11:48] its also missing quite a few very fundamental features [11:48] like the ability to follow someone [11:49] And to send tweets :-) [11:49] davmor2: in order to do streaming they would have to stop doing the "reload the entire stream" thing and do DOM injection of new messages [11:50] which breaks their themeing model and all sorts of other things [11:50] gwibber just aint built like that [11:50] they should throw out their theming model [11:50] they should, it sucks [11:51] using html to render your application because you haven't learnt cairo is not a solution [11:55] anyone know of a good alternative to iperf/jperf on ubuntu? [12:02] prithvi, does jperf not work on ubuntu? [12:04] gord: it works mate! but i cant import the test results into a spreadsheet to graph a chart! [12:10] prithvi, i don't really know anything about the software sorry :) just that if its java, it should work on ubuntu [12:12] gord: it does work. it's just that the output is formatted in a weird way, and there is no way to make it ouput CSV. [12:12] prithvi: this might be of help maybe http://www.ubuntugeek.com/bandwidth-monitoring-tools-for-ubuntu-users.html [12:12] not sure if people already say this critique of unity on the ayatana list, but it pretty much covers a lot of common criticism of unity that should be addressed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCJAjK6g8eE&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_245452 [12:13] 21 minutes? [12:14] gord, yep :) [12:14] it is lunchtime after all [12:15] not watching then [12:15] gord, thanks! will look at it. [12:38] thunderbird sure does like to freeze up. a *lot* [12:38] mutt \o/ [12:39] had to force quit it in the end, they have managed to make an email client worse than evolution. congrats [12:40] hehe [12:40] gord: I don't know I use evolution I never got on with thunderbird [12:40] i have never liked thunderbird [12:40] couldn't figure out how to get it to stop notify-osd spamming me either [12:40] i have liked thunderbird only in the last year [12:41] crash ratio evolution:tb 95:5 [12:41] in my experience. [12:41] all i want is a nice simple interface that does pgp signing stuff and lets me send/receive tiny text documents.. why can't someone just basically make a gmail app that works with any email [12:41] oimon: I've only had Evo crash on me 3-4 times in total [12:42] gord: try claws [12:42] the other requirement is that it has to look pretty =\ [12:42] davmor2: it's amazing the variety of experience. i had an imap account and ical calendars, and it crashed or disppeared on an almost daily basis [12:43] gord: you just want the moon on a stick [12:43] gord, is your tb freezing because of the offline settings? [12:43] i don't know why thunderbird is freezing, i just know that if it is, i don't want to use it [12:44] i turned off the synchronisation of large folders, since i am always connected. never had problems since then [12:45] oimon: I have 7 accounts minimum, I have 4 calendars 2 ical, 2 google, I get on average 2-3000 emails a week. Evo just seems to work. [12:46] gord: try alpine [12:46] prithvi: he said looks good [12:47] yeah i'm not interested in a text client [12:47] :) [12:47] one day I may go back to mutt [12:47] maybe you could add a nice bg! :) [12:47] but i like gmail too much [12:47] davmor2: 2-3000 emails a week, thats a hell of a lot a viagra adverts :) [12:47] me too [12:47] DJones: I work for canonical I get a lot of LP bug mail [12:48] i sometimes think i should mark read all my bug mail.. but i would expect crashes. 50k mails in that folder [12:48] davmor2: Thats fair enough then [12:50] found a use for my second monitor for today http://www.nyan.cat/ [12:53] wow [12:53] Lost for words [12:54] Strange - I've been using TB for years. I have >10 accounts. My TB profile is ~7GB and I use Lightning with ~8 calendars from Google via CalDAV. All seems fine to me. [12:54] o_o [12:54] I don't use the packaged TB mind. [12:54] caldav :( [12:55] directhex: meatboy's music and fx audio settings were both set to 0. As you say, very squishy [12:55] bigcalm, squishy squishy squishy! [12:55] bigcalm, i only have one secret character :( [12:56] I haven't played it that much yet. And each time I play something on the potatosack that is complete, my friends bitch at me to stop playing it [12:56] heh [12:56] * TheOpenSourcerer neeeeeds a sarny. [12:56] It makes no difference to the release date [12:56] makes a few hours' difference [12:56] Woooo [12:57] Middle of a working day [12:57] currently it'll be out at ~10am tomorrow. though that'll dip a little by then [12:57] I pitty those who have not pre-loaded it [12:58] I had fun playing The Ball last night. Checked my HR at one point, 103bpm :S [12:59] it's like you're doing ..excercise.. [12:59] you can pre-load portal 2 without paying? :) [12:59] ... [12:59] * bigcalm sends popey to the corner [12:59] what? [13:00] played portal 1 for about 1/2 hour..got bored [13:00] :P [13:00] i have played portal 1 through a few times [13:00] actually i spent 1hr trying portal 1 on wine and 1/2 hour of playing [13:00] I played about half of it yesterday [13:00] Tis fun [13:01] * popey wonders how much portal 2 costs [13:01] * popey doesnt have steam on this pc [13:03] popey, http://store.steampowered.com [13:03] wouldn't it be great if portal2 came out on linux along with steam [13:03] bwahahahahahaha [13:03] the engine's been ported, as has steam. valve aren't releasing it, presumably to avoid support costs [13:03] i'm getting the ps3 version, get the pc/mac version activated along side it, its neat [13:05] * MartijnVdS is waiting for the PS3 version [13:05] which comes with a free copy of the Steam (PC/Mac) version [13:05] i don't want to play portal on a console [13:05] 42" TV > 21" monitor [13:05] nice to have the choice though isn't it? [13:05] i'll play it on my ps3 whilst its downloading on my pc :) [13:06] MartijnVdS, 40" tv from sofa ~= 27" monitor from desk [13:06] sofa > chair [13:07] Got this in my email this morning. It's nearly springtime in Canada... http://imgur.com/FuLYQ [13:08] directhex: Dutch homes > UK homes :P [13:10] TheOpenSourcerer: oh dear [13:25] Just testing whether I can send (have to use ssl port) [13:26] nope. [13:26] Thanks [13:26] you can't send. [13:27] woah, Portal 2 is £27! [13:27]