[00:00] <AlanBell> good question
[00:00] <popey> backwards?
[00:00] <AlanBell> new stuff at the top
[00:01] <popey> thats not that unusual is it?
[00:01] <popey> gmail does it
[00:01] <popey> outlook does
[00:01] <AlanBell> unlike IRC
[00:01] <ali12341> no it doesn't
[00:01] <popey> oh
[00:01] <ali12341> gmail puts the latest messages at the bottom
[00:01] <popey> oh
[00:01] <popey> most recent conversation at the top though
[00:01] <ali12341> so that you can read them in chronological order
[00:01] <popey> but yes, i see
[00:02] <ali12341> i still think twitter is not meant to be read
[00:02] <daftykins> threading really annoys some people, user preference is interesting
[00:02] <popey> off to bed, will see if it's still running in 8 hours time
[00:02] <daftykins> gn
[00:02] <popey> bah
[00:02] <popey> one more bug to file in cof
[00:03] <AlanBell> popey: are you following your stream or the sample stream?
[00:04] <popey> mine
[00:04] <popey> Bug #764060
[00:05] <popey> somewhat excessive screenshot there :)
[00:05] <popey> bah, people keep saying interesting things in my stream, i have to keep going to gwibber or twitter.com to see the urls :)
[00:05] <popey> oh, or the terminal I ran it from
[00:05] <popey> thats less bad
[00:09] <popey> http://ubuntuone.com/p/bFk/ :)
[00:10] <popey> first thing I thought was "nice shower curtain"
[00:10] <AlanBell> at some point you are going to come across some picture that you will wish you could un-see
[00:10] <popey> yes.
[00:11] <HazRPG> AlanBell: Hmm... I have sadly *shudders*
[00:11]  * AlanBell passes the eye bleach
[00:12] <HazRPG> The goggles! They do nothing!!
[00:20] <AlanBell> heh, it has drag and drop support!
[00:20] <AlanBell> try dragging and dropping a tweet onto another tweet
[00:21] <ali12341> nothing happens
[00:21] <popey> it moved
[00:22] <ali12341> ah
[00:25] <AlanBell> night all
[00:25] <ali1234> so... pidgin has a plugin for twitter api
[00:26] <ali1234> and it seems to actually make sense
[00:26] <AlanBell> that would work better than gwibber with streaming
[00:26] <ali1234> urls work too
[00:26] <AlanBell> beacause twitter is instant messaging when you have streaming
[00:26] <ali1234> probably works with libpurple too if you insist on using empathy
[00:29] <ali1234> no tab completion on replies
[00:30] <ali1234> also it acts like a 1 on 1 chat so you get "highlighted" whenever a tweet comes in
[00:33] <ali1234> it doesn't actually use streaming... it uses api
[00:33] <ali1234> and default refresh rate is 60 seconds
[00:52] <directhex> smuxi irc client also does twitter
[02:18] <ball> Anyone here used the Software Centre thing?
[06:29] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Help Me Be Better Meme - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/04/18/help-me-be-better-meme/
[07:51] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:56] <gordonjcp> morning
[08:33] <dwatkins> oioi
[08:34] <MooDoo> mawnin dwatkins
[08:48] <DJones> Morning all
[08:56] <dwatkins> hey folks, hope Monday isn't starting with too much of a jolt
[09:21] <kazade> morning all
[09:22] <MooDoo> morning
[09:27] <oimon> saw one of those hideous self-service tills in sainsbury's today running windows XP chkdsk :D
[09:27] <MooDoo> most of them run windows to be honest
[09:27] <Tommeh> Even more disturbing to see ATMs running XP.
[09:27] <oimon> that's why 1 in 3 is always out of service
[09:28] <diplo> morning
[09:29] <DJones> It could be worse, it could have been MR or Vista
[09:29] <DJones> s/MR/ME
[09:31] <oimon> probably the only time i use windows is when i get money out
[09:31] <bigcalm> Good morning peoples :)
[09:32] <MooDoo> xp is always used for that type of thing to be honest, it's the best out of the vista,me,98 lot
[09:49] <Myrtti> I wonder how hidious combination would be lemon and ginger curd with blue cheese
[09:49] <Myrtti> on a bread
[09:50] <DJones> That sounds revolting aoart from the bread part
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> Must be something Finnish :P
[09:52] <Myrtti> lemon curd is something very distinctly british
[09:53] <Myrtti> and even the blue cheese culture is roquefort
[09:53] <AlanBell> and is yummy
[09:53] <bigcalm> \o/
[09:53] <AlanBell> not sure that lemon curd and blue cheese is a traditional combo though
[09:53] <DJones> Blue cheese I would eat, but lemon & ginger curd sounds offensive in comparison
[09:54] <AlanBell> however it all ends up in the same place so I would eat it
[09:54] <Myrtti> it's all I've got in the fridge :-(
[09:54] <Myrtti> apart from piripiri chilies and mustard
[09:54] <MartijnVdS> cheese + mustard = yum
[09:54] <AlanBell> oh, well in that case, it sounds lovely, enjoy!
[09:55] <DJones> Sounds good, toast, melted cheese and mustard on top
[09:55] <Myrtti> I think I'll just have cookies instead :-/
[09:56] <kazade> gah, having such a rubbish start to the week!
[09:57] <DJones> kazade: Hows the twitter client coming on
[09:57] <kazade> DJones, getting there: http://i.imgur.com/2YO0S.png
[09:58] <kazade> DJones, you can keep an eye on progress here: http://www.kazade.co.uk/bugs/projects/ooosh/versions/1
[09:58] <DJones> That looks good
[09:58] <AlanBell> it does
[09:58] <kazade> gonna sell it on a "pay what you want" basis (i.e commonly nothing)
[09:59] <AlanBell> kazade: what is doing the rendering of tweets? is that a web thing?
[09:59] <kazade> Webkit
[09:59] <JamesTait> Greetings and felicitations!
[09:59] <AlanBell> and is it using the twitter streaming API?
[09:59] <kazade> AlanBell, no, that's gonna have to come later
[09:59] <kazade> I saw you are working on that ;)
[10:00] <DJones> I'm running natty at home, so if you need any extra testing, I'm quite happy to run it, AlanBell's looked good yesterday, very fast
[10:00] <AlanBell> streaming API works great
[10:01] <kazade> AlanBell, how do you deal with the constantly updating display?
[10:01] <kazade> I'm coding mine at the moment to only update the view if the users isn't looking at it, otherwise display a "More tweets have arrived, display?" type message
[10:02] <kazade> to prevent it jumping around
[10:03] <popey> morning slackers
[10:03] <MooDoo> morning popey ;)
[10:03] <kazade> hi popey
[10:03] <MooDoo> congrats on getting all the tickets for oggcamp gone :)
[10:03] <popey> :)
[10:04] <popey> yeah, kinda impressed they went
[10:04] <popey> hope people turn up!
[10:04] <AlanBell> kazade: well I am using a gtk treeview widgit
[10:04] <AlanBell> I really wanted not to do the "rerender the whole stream" approach that gwibber does
[10:05] <AlanBell> because that sucks
[10:05] <kazade> yeah
[10:05] <kazade> I might use JS to dynamically update it actually
[10:05] <kazade> that would be cool, I could slide the tweets down..
[10:05] <AlanBell> yup, that would be nice
[10:06] <AlanBell> reloading the whole thing is a bit of a nightmare for screenreaders
[10:07] <AlanBell> as is webkit tbh
[10:07] <AlanBell> so I wanted to use gnome components
[10:07] <kazade> probably a good decision
[10:07] <kazade> does it mean that handling images, urls etc. is a little more tricky though?
[10:08] <AlanBell> hell yeah!
[10:08] <kazade> that's the advantage of webkit, you get a lot of stuff "free"
[10:08] <AlanBell> images not too bad
[10:08] <AlanBell> clickable URLs are a bit of an issue
[10:08] <popey> does ocra only work on gtk stuff?
[10:09] <AlanBell> strictly speaking no, it works on other stuff too
[10:09] <AlanBell> but not webkit or Qt
[10:09] <AlanBell> Qt bindings are just about on the verge of existing
[10:10] <popey> but you're hosed if you use something like Air?
[10:10] <AlanBell> probably
[10:11] <AlanBell> the lack of webkit is why things like the slideshow in ubiquity are silent
[10:12] <Myrtti> popey: is there a cancellation queue for the oggcamp ticket?
[10:12] <Myrtti> +s
[10:12]  * AlanBell thinks they should stop teasing people with the "sold out" sign
[10:13] <popey> heh
[10:13] <oimon> kazade: are you planning to reduce the gap between tweets to fit more into a page? hotot achieves it nicely
[10:14] <kazade> oimon, the template is customizable ;)
[10:14] <oimon> :D
[10:14] <kazade> AlanBell, this seems to indicate that Orca works with webkit-gtk: http://osdir.com/ml/orca-list/2011-03/msg00171.html
[10:16] <oimon> twitter streaming api would be massively useful when following sports events via twitter
[10:17] <oimon> watched the last 15 mins of a football game yesterday using #arsenal hashtag - worked as good as radio
[10:18] <n1md4> morning. someone point me in the right direction to install gnome 3 on natty (a maverick might also work too).
[10:18] <kazade> oimon, I can see why streaming would be useful for following a hashtag or search
[10:18] <kazade> I'm not sure it's as useful on your home stream though, although it would be nice to have the option
[10:18] <oimon> kazade: certainly for a fast moving event such as sport
[10:18] <DJones> !gnome3 | n1md4
[10:18] <richards> #join geoserver
[10:19] <DJones> I thought there was a factoid for that
[10:19] <AlanBell> kazade: yeah, webkit-gtk is starting to become readable, in fact yelp in natty is just about workable (but not well structured)
[10:19] <AlanBell> kazade: try http://launchpad.net/circleoffriends
[10:19] <DJones> Gnome 3 is not currently supported on Ubuntu. A PPA is available at https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3 but these packages are _experimental_, _unstable_ and may break your system.
[10:20] <kazade> AlanBell, will do
[10:20] <DJones> n1md4: I found the factoid :)
[10:20] <oimon> !unity
[10:20] <kazade> haha, I just discovered that unlike unity, middle click on DockbarX closes the application rather than opening a new window
[10:20] <AlanBell> if you don't have the streaming home page then you might be seeing tweets that are up to 59 seconds old. That is stale news.
[10:21] <kazade> lol
[10:22] <popey> :)
[10:23]  * popey gets ready to reply to every tweet with "OLD!"
[10:23] <kazade> AlanBell, it's not working for me :(
[10:23] <kazade> I authorized it... and now I have the window but no tweets
[10:23] <AlanBell> wait
[10:24] <popey>  /tweet @kazade bet you see something now?
[10:24] <kazade> ah!
[10:24] <kazade> I see
[10:24] <popey> :)
[10:24] <kazade> that's cool
[10:24] <popey> there was ~6 seconds between my tweet going and me saying it in here
[10:24]  * oimon waits for the day that gwibber gets sidelined by a quick and lightwieght twitter client
[10:24] <popey> you probably got it before me saying it here
[10:24] <kazade> popey, yeah it came up pretty quick
[10:25] <AlanBell> if you tweet something you will see your tweet come up in the stream. there is *nothing* special about your own tweets, that is how fast it is between a tweet happening and you seeing it.
[10:26] <popey> there is a bot in another irc channel I am in, which uses the streaming API
[10:26] <popey> my irssi goes "bonk" whenever there is a /notice (which the bot does)
[10:26] <popey> I press enter to send tweet and hear the "bonk" near enough immediately
[10:27] <n1md4> DJones: thanks
[10:31] <kazade> AlanBell, what if you are watching a really fast stream? e.g 100s of tweets per second. do you have any ideas on how to handle that?
[10:31] <AlanBell> yes :) it goes *fast*
[10:31] <oimon> any screenshots?
[10:32] <AlanBell> it can follow the sample stream, look at line 300 of bin/circleoffriends
[10:33] <AlanBell> uncomment the lines and restart to follow the fastest stream of utter inane garbage you have ever seen in your life
[10:33] <popey> does it run on windows/osx?
[10:34] <AlanBell> probably, if you install gtk
[10:34] <AlanBell> and desktopcouch :)
[10:34] <AlanBell> so perhaps not
[10:34] <kazade> AlanBell, that's pretty fast
[10:34] <kazade> too fast...
[10:34] <AlanBell> heh
[10:34] <kazade> ah crap, now I'm getting notify-osd spammed :)
[10:35] <AlanBell> yeah, that is why it says to comment that bit out!
[10:35]  * popey files bug 764400
[10:35] <popey> nice number
[10:36] <AlanBell> hmm, surprised it doesn't
[10:36] <oimon> bug #750000
[10:37] <oimon> hmm i think that guy reported that bug just to get the mythical 750,000 number...reported and fixed himself within same day
[10:40] <kazade> AlanBell, popey: http://www.kazade.co.uk/bugs/issues/23
[10:40] <oimon> http://evilrouters.net/achievement-unlocked/ :D
[10:41] <kazade> phew notify-osd has caught up
[10:42] <AlanBell> kazade: did you try moving the scrollbar when watching the sample stream?
[10:42] <kazade> nope, I was busy trying to read some of them :p
[10:42] <kazade> I guess it stops moving?
[10:42] <AlanBell> it stays static but when you are at the top it sticks there and the stream rolls past
[10:44] <kazade> I think I'll probably handle it by having some kind of threshold where it stops updating the screen and falls back to manual refreshing (if the user is watching)
[10:45] <kazade> and I'll do something similar with notify-osd... at the moment my client only displays up to 3 tweets, if more than that come in during an update it just says "You received X tweets"
[10:46] <gord> just my two pennys, but notifications should be used when you want to grab someones attention "someone has mentioned you in a tweet" - not "you have new tweets". that can happily live in the message indicator
[10:46] <gord> please, we really really really don't need more notify-osd spam :)
[10:50] <AlanBell> this is true
[10:53] <n1md4> DJones: Very very broken! I'm now reinstalling xD
[10:55] <DJones> n1md4: heh, Doesn't surprise me yet, most of the devs will presumably been working on unity & as gnome 3 has only just come out & isn't officially supported its got to be expected
[10:56] <gord> gnome 3 just came too late in the cycle to be included in ubuntu and as gnome-shell required components of gnome 3, couldn't be included. it'll all be in fine in O
[10:57]  * oimon is about to vote in the referendum
[10:57] <DJones> gord: After a few days using unity, I'd say don't bother with gnome 3, unity works brilliantly for me (I may be the only one saying that, but it does)
[10:58] <gord> lots of people are :) just - as with everythiing, vocal minorities
[10:59] <kazade> Unity is for the most part fine, the panel though is a mess IMO
[11:00] <DJones> The thing thats impressed me the most is the workspace switcher & having the 4 workspaces displayed & able to see whats changing on them so I can decide which one I want to go to
[11:00] <kazade> I'm getting sick of being unable to close or minimize background maximized windows
[11:00] <n1md4> Unity worked for me ... technically.
[11:00] <davmor2> morning all
[11:00] <popey> kazade: yeah, i dont like that either
[11:01] <popey> having to click a lot more with unity than i ever did before
[11:01] <davmor2> popey: You just don't like anything recently do you ;)
[11:01] <popey> (partly because I used to use ffm, so rarely click)
[11:01] <popey> ok, shrug it off then
[11:01] <popey> wheeee nothing to see here, all is fine, no, nobody dislikes unity, it's all great
[11:01]  * popey wanders off
[11:02] <kazade> There is a huge thread on Ayatana about the panel issues
[11:02] <davmor2> popey: FFM should be back for the next release as some of the devs use it primary one is Pitti if I recall so it will work
[11:02] <kazade> so far, no-one from Canonical has responded (MPT summarized the video that started the thread though)
[11:03] <popey> davmor2: I know pitti uses it, I've chatted to him about it
[11:03] <popey> as does kees
[11:04] <bigcalm> AlanBell: is this meant to be 4 seconds long? http://blip.tv/file/4904015
[11:04] <AlanBell> bigcalm: no
[11:04] <popey> but it's a regression and I'd be staggered if it came back in a way that worked the way GNOME 2 does
[11:04]  * bigcalm wants to know more!
[11:04] <AlanBell> bigcalm: there is a link somewhere to the streaming ogv
[11:04] <AlanBell> or just install the thing, it isn't hard
[11:05] <bigcalm> AlanBell: maybe later :)
[11:06] <AlanBell> bigcalm: http://blip.tv/file/4904015?filename=Alanbell-CircleOfFriendsTheTwitterClient799.ogv
[11:07] <bigcalm> AlanBell: ta :)
[11:08] <oimon> hmm. streaming ogv seems to be a still frame
[11:08] <popey> 4904015?filename=Alanbell-CircleOfFriendsTheTwitterClient799.ogv: HTML document text
[11:09] <oimon> Circle Of Friends - the Twitter Client 0:00 seconds long
[11:09] <popey> http://blip.tv/file/get/Alanbell-CircleOfFriendsTheTwitterClient799.ogv is the actual url
[11:09] <oimon> ah, that works
[11:10] <oimon> think the icon for it should be three chicken eggs in the ubuntu circle of hands style.
[11:11] <popey> haha
[11:13] <oimon> if CoF shows anything, it's that there's a lot of nonsense being spouted on twitter every single second
[11:13] <popey> directhex: what video card should I get to replace my 7900 pls?
[11:16] <gord> does the 7900 do vdpau stuff?
[11:16] <davmor2> oimon: not to worry if people don't want to hear they can block you ;)
[11:17] <oimon> :P
[11:17] <bigcalm> The twitter client of the future eh? ;)
[11:17] <bigcalm> AlanBell: what's it written in?
[11:17] <davmor2> bigcalm: python if it's using quickly
[11:17] <oimon> imagine CoF receiving that speed feed, piped into text to speech generator...it would be blah blah bieber blah blah bieber
[11:18] <davmor2> oimon: to be fair you would tune into that feed would you, you'd pick you're own
[11:19] <bigcalm> Ah well, I won't be contributing then :(
[11:19]  * oimon is a bieber-free zone
[11:24] <popey> gord: not sure
[11:24] <popey> gord: trying to "max out" my desktop, which means a new video card and a Q6600 CPU
[11:25] <directhex> popey, for gaming?
[11:25] <popey> a bit, yes
[11:25] <popey> not a tremendous amount
[11:25] <directhex> what do you want to spend?
[11:25] <popey> not much
[11:26] <popey> the 7900 in there came with the pc some 4 years ago
[11:26] <popey> iirc
[11:26] <directhex> geforce 550?
[11:26] <popey> is that "current" gen?
[11:27] <gord> graphics cards are at a... funny. place right now. new consoles are spinning up which means that a new graphics card won't be much good in 3 years time. but wait a year and that graphics card will be good three years after that
[11:27] <gord> i have a gtx 260 and it plays pretty much everything at the highest quality at 1920x1200
[11:27] <directhex> popey, yes, 500-series is current
[11:27] <popey> ta
[11:28] <directhex> or ati 6000-series
[11:28] <popey> is that 1xdvi and 1xhdmi?
[11:28] <directhex> depends on the card, that's the usual combination
[11:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol - Just got some spam telling us we are due a tax refund from hmrc. The URL points to a domain called newgaytruckstop... :-)
[11:29] <directhex> i've seen a real mix - 2xdvi+mini-hdmi, 2xdvi+displayport+hdmi, dvi+vga+hdmi, etc
[11:29] <popey> hmm, my current card has 2xdvi
[11:30] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer,  never been to new gay?
[11:30] <gord> my 260 has 2x dvi
[11:30] <directhex> digital outputs are pretty interchangable anyway
[11:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Newquay yes.
[11:30] <popey> thanks chaps
[11:32] <oimon> TheOpenSourcerer: hope you didn't visit the urL!
[11:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> oimon: I might look daft but...
[11:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyway - I'm not on Windows :-)
[11:33] <oimon> there's daft and there's curious..if someone says, don't press this button, i start wondering...
[11:33] <oimon> like the time i found a box marked treasure, behind a desk in a shared office once
[11:33] <oimon> to look or not to look?
[11:34] <gord> oh, right. you have to put coffee in your coffee maker for coffee to come out. learn something new every day
[11:36] <davmor2> AlanBell: I'm curious did you file a bug against gwibber,  and if so did you then point them at the circle of friends to see how they might improve what they have.
[11:42] <AlanBell> davmor2: no and no, not yet
[11:44] <AlanBell> not sure what bug I would file tbh
[11:46] <oimon> searching twitter for keyword gwibber shows there is a lot of hate for it out there!
[11:46] <davmor2> AlanBell: "ubuntu-bug qwibber" gwibber should have streaming content by now for twitter in the bug put I used quickly to throw this example code into play lp:circleoffriends :)  they'll file it appropriately
[11:47] <Myrtti> that's because it is really an awful app
[11:47] <Myrtti> nowadays
[11:48] <popey> its also missing quite a few very fundamental features
[11:48] <popey> like the ability to follow someone
[11:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> And to send tweets :-)
[11:49] <AlanBell> davmor2: in order to do streaming they would have to stop doing the "reload the entire stream" thing and do DOM injection of new messages
[11:50] <AlanBell> which breaks their themeing model and all sorts of other things
[11:50] <AlanBell> gwibber just aint built like that
[11:50] <gord> they should throw out their theming model
[11:50] <AlanBell> they should, it sucks
[11:51] <gord> using html to render your application because you haven't learnt cairo is not a solution
[11:55] <prithvi> anyone know of a good alternative to iperf/jperf  on ubuntu?
[12:02] <gord> prithvi, does jperf not work on ubuntu?
[12:04] <prithvi> gord: it works mate! but i cant import the test results into a spreadsheet to graph a chart!
[12:10] <gord> prithvi, i don't really know anything about the software sorry :) just that if its java, it should work on ubuntu
[12:12] <prithvi> gord: it does work. it's just that the output is formatted in a weird way, and there is no way to make it ouput CSV.
[12:12] <davmor2> prithvi: this might be of help maybe http://www.ubuntugeek.com/bandwidth-monitoring-tools-for-ubuntu-users.html
[12:12] <oimon> not sure if people already say this critique of unity on the ayatana list, but it pretty much covers a lot of common criticism of unity that should be addressed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCJAjK6g8eE&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_245452
[12:13] <gord> 21 minutes?
[12:14] <oimon> gord, yep :)
[12:14] <oimon> it is lunchtime after all
[12:15] <gord> not watching then
[12:15] <prithvi> gord, thanks! will look at it.
[12:38] <gord> thunderbird sure does like to freeze up. a *lot*
[12:38] <bigcalm> mutt \o/
[12:39] <gord> had to force quit it in the end, they have managed to make an email client worse than evolution. congrats
[12:40] <popey> hehe
[12:40] <davmor2> gord: I don't know I use evolution I never got on with thunderbird
[12:40] <popey> i have never liked thunderbird
[12:40] <gord> couldn't figure out how to get it to stop notify-osd spamming me either
[12:40] <oimon> i have liked thunderbird only in the last year
[12:41] <oimon> crash ratio evolution:tb 95:5
[12:41] <oimon> in my experience.
[12:41] <gord> all i want is a nice simple interface that does pgp signing stuff and lets me send/receive tiny text documents.. why can't someone just basically make a gmail app that works with any email
[12:41] <davmor2> oimon: I've only had Evo crash on me 3-4 times in total
[12:42] <davmor2> gord: try claws
[12:42] <gord> the other requirement is that it has to look pretty =\
[12:42] <oimon> davmor2: it's amazing the variety of experience. i had an imap account and ical calendars, and it crashed or disppeared on an almost daily basis
[12:43] <davmor2> gord: you just want the moon on a stick
[12:43] <oimon> gord, is your tb freezing because of the offline settings?
[12:43] <gord> i don't know why thunderbird is freezing, i just know that if it is, i don't want to use it
[12:44] <oimon> i turned off the synchronisation of large folders, since i am always connected. never had problems since then
[12:45] <davmor2> oimon: I have 7 accounts minimum, I have 4 calendars 2 ical, 2 google, I get on average 2-3000 emails a week.   Evo just seems to work.
[12:46] <prithvi> gord: try alpine
[12:46] <davmor2> prithvi: he said looks good
[12:47] <gord> yeah i'm not interested in a text client
[12:47] <prithvi> :)
[12:47] <popey> one day I may go back to mutt
[12:47] <prithvi> maybe you could add a  nice bg! :)
[12:47] <popey> but i like gmail too much
[12:47] <DJones> davmor2: 2-3000 emails a week, thats a hell of a lot a viagra adverts :)
[12:47] <prithvi> me too
[12:47] <davmor2> DJones: I work for canonical I get a lot of LP bug mail
[12:48] <gord> i sometimes think i should mark read all my bug mail.. but i would expect crashes. 50k mails in that folder
[12:48] <DJones> davmor2: Thats fair enough then
[12:50] <gord> found a use for my second monitor for today http://www.nyan.cat/
[12:53] <X3N> wow
[12:53] <bigcalm> Lost for words
[12:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> Strange - I've been using TB for years. I have >10 accounts. My TB profile is ~7GB and I use Lightning with ~8 calendars from Google via CalDAV. All seems fine to me.
[12:54] <directhex> o_o
[12:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> I don't use the packaged TB mind.
[12:54] <directhex> caldav :(
[12:55] <bigcalm> directhex: meatboy's music and fx audio settings were both set to 0. As you say, very squishy
[12:55] <directhex> bigcalm, squishy squishy squishy!
[12:55] <directhex> bigcalm, i only have one secret character :(
[12:56] <bigcalm> I haven't played it that much yet. And each time I play something on the potatosack that is complete, my friends bitch at me to stop playing it
[12:56] <directhex> heh
[12:56]  * TheOpenSourcerer neeeeeds a sarny.
[12:56] <bigcalm> It makes no difference to the release date
[12:56] <directhex> makes a few hours' difference
[12:56] <bigcalm> Woooo
[12:57] <bigcalm> Middle of a working day
[12:57] <directhex> currently it'll be out at ~10am tomorrow. though that'll dip a little by then
[12:57] <bigcalm> I pitty those who have not pre-loaded it
[12:58] <bigcalm> I had fun playing The Ball last night. Checked my HR at one point, 103bpm :S
[12:59] <X3N> it's like you're doing ..excercise..
[12:59] <popey> you can pre-load portal 2 without paying? :)
[12:59] <bigcalm> ...
[12:59]  * bigcalm sends popey to the corner
[12:59] <popey> what?
[13:00] <oimon> played portal 1 for about 1/2 hour..got bored
[13:00] <bigcalm> :P
[13:00] <popey> i have played portal 1 through a few times
[13:00] <oimon> actually i spent 1hr trying portal 1 on wine and 1/2 hour of playing
[13:00] <bigcalm> I played about half of it yesterday
[13:00] <bigcalm> Tis fun
[13:01]  * popey wonders how much portal 2 costs
[13:01]  * popey doesnt have steam on this pc
[13:03] <gord> popey, http://store.steampowered.com
[13:03] <popey> wouldn't it be great if portal2 came out on linux along with steam
[13:03] <popey> bwahahahahahaha
[13:03] <directhex> the engine's been ported, as has steam. valve aren't releasing it, presumably to avoid support costs
[13:03] <gord> i'm getting the ps3 version, get the pc/mac version activated along side it, its neat
[13:05]  * MartijnVdS is waiting for the PS3 version
[13:05] <MartijnVdS> which comes with a free copy of the Steam (PC/Mac) version
[13:05] <directhex> i don't want to play portal on a console
[13:05] <MartijnVdS> 42" TV > 21" monitor
[13:05] <gord> nice to have the choice though isn't it?
[13:05] <gord> i'll play it on my ps3 whilst its downloading on my pc :)
[13:06] <directhex> MartijnVdS, 40" tv from sofa ~= 27" monitor from desk
[13:06] <gord> sofa > chair
[13:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> Got this in my email this morning. It's nearly springtime in Canada... http://imgur.com/FuLYQ
[13:08] <MartijnVdS> directhex: Dutch homes > UK homes :P
[13:10] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: oh dear
[13:25] <silner> Just testing whether I can send (have to use ssl port)
[13:26] <directhex> nope.
[13:26] <silner> Thanks
[13:26] <directhex> you can't send.
[13:27] <kazade> woah, Portal 2 is £27!
[13:27] <kazade> I have been spoiled by Gog.com and the humble bundle
[13:27] <oimon> and they gave away portal 1 for free last  year
[13:27] <silner> Yeah that's even better value than last time - if you like games :)
[13:27] <kazade> yeah, that's why I'm shocked
[13:28] <kazade> I wouldn't spend that much on a game, let alone one where I don't get a nice shiny box to sit on my shelf
[13:28] <silner> Shiny box as in a console?
[13:28] <kazade> or PC game
[13:29] <kazade> I haven't bought many games since DRM started getting added to them
[13:29] <kazade> PC games I mean
[13:29] <kazade> only indie ones
[13:29] <silner> I never really bought games but I was still annoyed by DRM on principle
[13:29] <kazade> I have a shelf full of games from 2003 and before
[13:29] <kazade> they all work fine on Wine..
[13:29] <kazade> which is why I don't like DRM
[13:30] <kazade> and I don't "trust" Steam either
[13:30] <silner> I've never tried Wine-ing my old games - and OLD games is all I have :)
[13:30] <oimon> last game i bought was HL2
[13:30] <kazade> I bought the DOS version of X-wing and Rebel Assault the other day
[13:31] <directhex> portal 1 was a 6-hour component of a full retail product (the orange box). portal 2 is sized to be a full retail product on its own
[13:32] <kazade> true, I still don't think any game is worth that much money though :)
[13:32] <popey> i played the other games in orange box to death
[13:32] <popey> well, for me :)
[13:32] <silner> You can run most DOS games on DODbox I hear?
[13:32] <kazade> silner, yeah
[13:33] <kazade> DOSbox is amazing
[13:33] <directhex> best bit about dosbox is it works on non-x86 platforms
[13:34] <directhex> e.g. you can get dosbox for palm pre
[13:34] <kazade> Wine has been working on integrating dos box recently
[13:34] <kazade> it didn't work that well when I tried it, but it did prompt me to try DOSBox stand alone which was nice
[13:39] <silner> That would be a good idea if it could be integrated
[13:45] <silner> I notice Natty beta 2 has an option for Ubuntu Classic desktop in the login settings popey? When you choose it it seems to work but there seems no obvious way of going back to Unity - it that a bug or feature?
[13:46] <Pendulum> silner: there should be an option to switch between the 2 every time you log in
[13:50] <Kanzi> hello, can anyone please help to get my wifi working again after a fresh install?  It was working fine a few moments ago - thanks
[13:51] <directhex> unity sucks hard enough i moved my wife to kubuntu. it has some rough edges, but is WAY better on a netbook than regular maverick :(
[13:51] <directhex> Kanzi, have you clicked the network icon, and on your wireless network?
[13:51] <Kanzi> yes, I get an error msg to check my var/log
[13:52] <Kanzi> to directhex
[13:52] <directhex> hm
[13:52] <Kanzi> directhex, i get that message when I try installing the additional drivers, sorry
[13:54] <davmor2> Kanzi: you are connected to the wired network when trying to install correct?
[13:54] <Kanzi> Davmor2, no I can connect wirelessly at that point
[13:55] <Kanzi> it is only after I restart that this problem occurs
[13:57] <dogmatic69> anyone know where i can add something to fail2ban to not block a specific ip, or remove the logs of that ip
[13:57] <davmor2> Kanzi: Sorry what is it you are trying to do and what gives you the error?  It sounded like you were trying to install the wifi drivers when you got the error.
[13:57] <dogmatic69> need to do it by editing files if possible
[13:57] <davmor2> dogmatic69: put it in the whitelist
[13:58] <dogmatic69> davmor2: do you know if i add it after being blocked, will it 'unblock' or do i need to remove the block some how
[13:58] <Kanzi> davmore2: I have just freshly insalled natty beta 2 11.04 using a wireless connection and when I restart after the installation, I am prompted to activate the additional drivers, which I do, and then I get an error message.
[13:59] <davmor2> dogmatic69: goto /etc/fail2ban  see what file directories are in it.  You will normally have a blacklist and a whitelist,  if an ip is in the white list it can access you'll need to remove it from the blacklist though
[13:59] <dogmatic69> k, thanks
[13:59] <dogmatic69> will check them out
[13:59] <Kanzi> davmore2: the message is that the installation of the drivers failed and to check my var/log
[14:00] <dogmatic69> davmor2: what about logs? does it not auto check the logs and ban on boot?
[14:01] <davmor2> dogmatic69: it'll check the whitelist first the blacklist second for access and no access then it guesses what to do with everything else and move it into one of those
[14:01] <AlanBell> whitelist trumps the blacklist
[14:01] <dogmatic69> ok, cool
[14:01] <davmor2> dogmatic69: I use a different system but they are pretty similar AlanBell might know more if you're stuck
[14:01] <dogmatic69> so remove the ban, and the white list and i should be good :)
[14:01] <dogmatic69> should be good now
[14:02] <dogmatic69> i just cant ssh atm so it makes it hard (im blocked :/ )
[14:02] <davmor2> Kanzi: right is it the wireless drivers it was telling you to install in additional drivers?
[14:03] <Kanzi> davmor: yes
[14:04] <Kanzi> Broadcom STA propriety wireless driver
[14:04] <Kanzi> This package contains Broadcom 802.11 Linux STA wireless driverfor use with Broadcom's BCM4311-, BCM4312-, BCM4313-, BCM4321-,BCM4322-, BCM43224-, and BCM43225-, BCM43227- and BCM43228-basedhardware.
[14:04] <davmor2> Kanzi: the cd contains some that are installed by default.  So you'll need to conect to a wired connection install the drivers and you're wifi should work again
[14:05] <Kanzi> I just tried that but it didn't work.  I got the wireless driver working again from the cd and then when I restarted again from my HDD, it asked me to install again and then failed
[14:06] <Kanzi> I even reinstalled the whole OS again and that made no difference either
[14:08] <oimon> kanzi which laptop is it?
[14:08] <Kanzi> Davmore Dell Inspiron 1545
[14:11] <Kanzi> sorry that was to oimon (yellow font blinds me)
[14:13] <silner> Pendulum: The option was still there but it didn't change it back to actually using Unity. That's OK with me cos I'm not keen on Unity, but I may report it for other's benefit
[14:13] <oimon> Kanzi:
[14:13] <Pendulum> silner: that's definitely a bug :)
[14:13] <Kanzi> oimon?
[14:14] <oimon> Kanzi: try connecting the ethernet cable, and doing the following:
[14:14] <Kanzi> OK
[14:14] <oimon> sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get --reinstall install bcmwl-kernel-source
[14:15] <oimon> note any error messages that appear
[14:16] <Kanzi> oimon: E: Unable to locate package bcmwl-kernal-source
[14:16] <oimon> you mis-typed
[14:16] <Kanzi> sorry one sec
[14:18] <Kanzi> oimon it is quite a long error message.  is it ok to paste it here?
[14:18] <oimon> kanzi, go to http://pastebin.com/ and paste the message onto the site
[14:18] <oimon> then paste the link here
[14:19] <Kanzi> oimon the installation completed though.  I will just try to run it and then post.  will do thanks
[14:19] <oimon> you will need to reboot if the install was successful
[14:26] <Kanzi> Oimon, it is working again now.  Thanks so much for your help :)
[14:26] <oimon> nice to hear it
[14:26] <oimon> http://www.thechromesource.com/chrome-os-release-coming-soon-stable-channel-now-available/
[14:27] <oimon> any thoughts? ^^^
[14:28] <dogmatic69> how do i mount an ebs image so i can just view the files on it
[14:29] <dogmatic69> ive 'attached' it, just the seeing data part i dont know
[14:30] <dogmatic69> 10.10 if it makes any difference
[14:32] <popey> o/
[14:32] <dogmatic69> think i figured it out
[14:35] <dogmatic69> ok, about the fail2ban stuff, /etc/fail2ban does not seem to have anything that looks like a block list, just .conf files
[14:39] <davmor2> AlanBell: ^ do you use fail2ban can you point dogmatic69 in the right direction
[14:40] <dogmatic69> seems like its just using iptables
[14:40] <dogmatic69> looking for a way to do iptables --flush in nano :)
[14:41] <Myrtti> fail2ban is just a tool to add iptables rules on the fly automatically according to some rules about forced entry
[14:41] <dogmatic69> ye
[14:41] <Myrtti> it doesn't -  as far as I know - have any static block lists
[14:41] <dogmatic69> can i flush it manually?
[14:41] <AlanBell> put yourself in /etc/hosts.allow
[14:42] <AlanBell> or is that denyhosts rather than fail2ban?
[14:42] <dogmatic69> i added the ip address to jail.conf
[14:42] <dogmatic69> /etc/fail2ban/jail.conf
[14:43] <AlanBell> maybe I don't know about fail2ban
[14:43] <dogmatic69> but i think its already in the iptables so it needs to be removed there?
[14:43] <oimon> dogmatic69: if you already have a permanent ban thaen you will certainly need removing from iptables
[14:44] <oimon> although i thought there was a command line tool for it
[14:45] <oimon> man fail2ban-client
[14:45] <aquarius> wtf? I've just upgraded, and I get "Update standard folders to current language?" which seems to want to move my Desktop folder to Downloads. What's that all about?
[14:46] <dogmatic69> oimon: i have the disk mounted, i cant run any commands like that
[14:48] <oimon> dogmatic69: then you can edit the iptables start script, where it loads the rules
[14:48] <davmor2> aquarius: out to annoy you by the looks of it :D
[14:49] <aquarius> davmor2, indeed. Am asking on #ubuntu-desktop
[14:49] <oimon> and add your IP to the ignoreip line in jail.conf ( i think)
[14:50] <oimon> aquarius: sounds like bug 209513
[14:51] <dogmatic69> oimon: any idea where that startup script is? not in etc/init.d/...
[14:51] <aquarius> oimon, aha. I am talking to seb128 abuot it :)
[14:55] <oimon> dogmatic69: which distro? and are you definitely using iptables and not ufw?
[14:55] <dogmatic69> 10.10 and no, im not sure
[14:55] <dogmatic69> its fail2ban, what ever that uses as default
[14:58] <oimon> dogmatic69: not sure about iptables on newer ubuntu releases, you could try find /etc -name iptables* -ls
[14:59] <dogmatic69> oimon: cool, that has this http://bin.cakephp.org/view/77709970
[15:00] <dogmatic69> updated link
[15:02] <oimon> hmmm try also paste etc/fail2ban/jail.conf for fail2ban settings
[15:02] <dogmatic69> its just std, only just added ip to ignore
[15:04] <dogmatic69> http://bin.cakephp.org/view/1134908229
[15:04] <dogmatic69> i guess i could just add 'iptables --flush' to some startup script
[15:05] <oimon> dogmatic69: i'm not convinced you are using iptables
[15:05] <dogmatic69> k
[15:05] <dogmatic69> what other options would there be?
[15:05] <oimon> ufw
[15:05] <oimon> i only use fail2ban on redhat so might need someone else with exp on ubunt
[15:06] <dogmatic69> searching the fail2ban site, ufw has 0, iptables has 18
[15:07] <hamitron> 0 and 18?
[15:07] <dogmatic69> links
[15:08] <hamitron> ah
[15:09] <doubi> Hi all. Can anyone tell me the meaning of the file names foremost gives to recovered files? Is it a timestamp of some kind? If so, does it related to any property of the original file or does it just indicate the order in which foremost recovered the file? (I know I can't get the original filenames back, I just want to know where to wade in to find the most recent versions)
[15:09] <doubi> s/does it related/does it relate/
[15:12] <dogmatic69> oimon: this seems to have a lot of iptables http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/HOWTO_fail2ban
[15:18] <oimon> dogmatic69: have you tried booting since adding your IP to ignoreip in jail.conf?
[15:22] <AlanBell> !info foremost
[15:23] <AlanBell> doubi: never heard of it before, but sounds useful, maybe try in #ubuntu to see if anyone has used it or can point you to the developers
[15:23] <dogmatic69> oimon: no, was gonna try that now
[15:25] <doubi> AlanBell, have popped over there. No-one knows, best guess is it's just sequential unfortunately. Luckily it's odf files I'm trying to sort through so there's plenty of stuff in the xml I can just grep for, including last modified times :)
[15:29] <dogmatic69> oimon: still the same
[15:29] <oimon> dogmatic69: you don't have console access to the machine?
[15:29] <dogmatic69> oimon: i just get permission denied
[15:30] <dogmatic69> if i had access i would not need to do all this :/
[15:30] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Andrew Gee] IPv6 Experimentation  Servers, DNS, Google Apps, and Glue - http://andrewgee.org/blog/2011/04/18/ipv6-experimentation/
[15:32] <davmor2> doubi: it'll just be an id that foremost gives it.  Most try and keep the .png .txt .pdf correct but then it's upto you to rename that files,  Part of the reason for it is that is aiui they can capture partial information so it might grab 3 parts of a jpeg file that gives you the whole thing.
[15:32] <oimon> dogmatic69: you would need to verify that it is fail2ban actually causing the problem (by checking logs etc).  additionally you could create a fresh iptables file and perform a iptables-restore < newfile to load the new rules instead
[15:32] <oimon> so long as iptables is causing the problem, that is
[15:33] <doubi> davmor2, Thanks for the clarification
[16:11] <dogmatic69> oimon: found the issue :/
[16:11] <oimon> sshd not running?
[16:11] <dogmatic69> from="10.245.109.180" ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC....
[16:11] <dogmatic69> internal ip changed
[16:11] <oimon> tut tut
[16:11]  * dogmatic69 bashes head on desk
[16:12] <oimon> i advise less drinking at lunchtime
[16:12] <oimon> ;)
[16:12] <dogmatic69> :D
[16:12] <dogmatic69> so what is more reliable?
[16:35] <doubi> exit
[16:35] <doubi> lol
[16:41] <oimon> !info trousers
[16:58] <jacobw> afternoon all
[16:59] <popey> lo
[17:00] <HazRPG> hi
[17:00]  * jacobw is fed up
[17:01] <jacobw> i need a cool job, not a boring and tedious job
[17:01] <jacobw> ostrich tamer seems reasonably stimulating :p
[17:18] <DJones> Crocodile dentist sounds more stimulating
[17:25] <zenog> hello everyone
[17:36] <jacobw> hi
[17:39] <brobostigon> good afternoon everyone.
[17:41] <brobostigon> hmm, using i915.modeset=0 did stop it from using drm the gpu hang issue, however when starting gnome-shell it stuck me into fallback, hmm.
[17:45] <brobostigon> so it was a success, and not at the same time.
[17:46] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: improvement, or not? :)
[17:46] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: had it on all afternoon, no gpu lockup.
[17:47] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[17:47] <brobostigon> however,
[17:50] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: is it meant to stop all accelareation?
[17:51] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: does it do that? hmmm
[17:52] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: no, because gnome-shell didnt start, and went into fallback.
[17:52] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: at least you don't get lockups :)
[17:52] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: but: explain this in the bug report :)
[17:52] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i need to test some of the things i know cause lockups like flash videos.
[17:53] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: definatly.
[17:53] <davmor2> czajkowski: How are you today kiddo?
[17:53] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i have on paper what i want to put into it.
[17:54] <davmor2> zenog: hello
[18:10] <Myrtti> this is so wrong, on several layers and meanings of wrong http://www.flickr.com/photos/46567174@N06/5614867323
[18:12] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: but it's chocolate!
[18:12] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: and vanilla
[18:12] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: and creme egg!
[18:12] <AlanBell> genius!
[18:16] <Myrtti> hm
[18:16] <Myrtti> quite nice these crisps
[18:16] <Myrtti> Jimmy con carne :-D
[19:00] <jacobw> Jimmy con carne? :s
[19:00] <brobostigon> [A
[19:00] <brobostigon> brb, reboot, kernel update,
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> \o
[19:05] <Myrtti> jacobw: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Walkers-Jimmy-Con-Carrne-Flavour-Comic-Relief/127894240616634
[19:10] <brobostigon> phew, no breakage :)
[19:10] <brobostigon> yay.
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: w00t
[19:11] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i am trying the kernel-ppa kernel.
[19:29] <popey> gord: you know when you see a grey panel in a new unity.. whats crashed?
[19:29] <hamitron> bah, knackered :/
[19:29] <popey> gord: its a clean install of natty
[19:29] <popey> in vbox
[19:30] <popey> http://imgur.com/PY8uP
[19:30] <popey> the right panel did load initially then disappeared
[19:31] <willy1977> hostname
[19:31] <willy1977> gah
[19:40] <cbx33> hey all
[19:49] <dogmatic69> o/
[19:49] <jacobw> \o
[19:50] <dogmatic69> anyone around know about drivers licenses in the uk and have a spare minute?
[19:51] <dogmatic69> #slightlyofftopic
[19:51] <jacobw> dunno, all you can do is ask
[19:52] <dogmatic69> been in the uk almost a year and need to get a bike license... not to sure where to start
[19:53] <dogmatic69> tried a few applications on the dvla site, and all i could apply for is a provisional license (dont even know what that is)
[19:53] <willy1977> dogmatic69: a prov license is a license that allows you to drive/ride whilst learning
[19:53] <Pendulum> dogmatic69: where are you from?
[19:54] <dogmatic69> Pendulum: south africa
[19:54] <dogmatic69> willy1977: ah ok
[19:54] <dogmatic69> so its prov -> theory -> full
[19:54] <willy1977> prov - theory (incl hazard perception - practical test - full usually
[19:55] <dogmatic69> ok
[19:55] <dogmatic69> well then i seem to be on the correct track
[19:55] <willy1977> do you hold a license in SA?
[19:55] <dogmatic69> also need to figure out how to convert my SA car license
[19:55] <dogmatic69> only a car, not bike
[19:55] <willy1977> ah that answers that :D
[19:56] <dogmatic69> apparently its a straight swap here as the rules are about the same
[19:56] <dogmatic69> and SA drives on the correct side of the road
[19:56] <willy1977> http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/DriverLicensing/DrivingInGbOnAForeignLicence/DG_4022562 try that...
[19:56] <dogmatic69> nice
[19:56] <dogmatic69> i been searching for months... even before i came over
[19:57] <dogmatic69> :/
[19:57] <dogmatic69> need to do it over
[19:59] <willy1977> been resident > 12months?
[19:59] <dogmatic69> oh wait, read it wrong
[19:59] <dogmatic69> south africa is a designated one \o/
[20:00] <dogmatic69> will have been here 12 months in june ish
[20:00] <willy1977> ah ok, sounds like it's go for launch then :D
[20:01] <willy1977> also, see what categories end up on the UK license as it was my understanding that a full car license entitles you to learn to ride a motorcycle - but you would be best talking to a CBT provider aswell
[20:02] <willy1977> CBT = http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/LearnerAndNewDrivers/RidingMotorcyclesAndMopeds/DG_4022430
[20:03] <dogmatic69> willy1977: ye, saw that but it is if you got your license < 2001, also i *have* a 400 which is not quite a moped
[20:04] <willy1977> dogmatic69: lol no, next step up from a moped maybe :s
[20:04] <dogmatic69> hopefully they are a bit quicker here as it can take ~ 6 months from 0 -> full license in SA
[20:04] <willy1977> you can do direct access courses too
[20:04] <dogmatic69> (if you pass first time because they already made quota)
[20:05] <dogmatic69> ye, i got to find the quickest way. got my first bike at 4 so i dont need the lessons
[20:05] <dogmatic69> though all the traffic circles are confusing tbh
[20:09] <willy1977> well if you are > 21 years old and because you're an experienced rider you should be able to search out a Direct Access provider
[20:09] <dogmatic69> cool
[20:09] <dogmatic69> tx for the help
[20:09] <willy1977> no worries
[20:10] <willy1977> hope you get yourself sorted soon ;)
[20:11] <dogmatic69> nice, says it takes 15 days to swap out the license
[20:11] <dogmatic69> only have a few weeks till i been here a year.. time has flown
[20:15] <dogmatic69> think i should have swaped my license first now
[20:15] <willy1977> :/
[20:15] <dogmatic69> just paid 50 quid for a prov
[20:15] <dogmatic69> would not have needed that then i guess
[20:16] <willy1977> in these instances it may be best to phone someone up at the DVLA and explain your situation...
[20:16] <dogmatic69> ye, will call tomorrow
[20:25] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/715096/comments/14 doesthat sound ok?
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: looks fin
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> e
[20:27] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: enough detail?
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> yeah
[20:28] <brobostigon> :)
[20:31] <dogmatic69> google strikes again
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> ?
[20:31] <dogmatic69> it wants my cc just so i can create a sandbox for integration
[20:32] <dogmatic69> sandbox requres registration, registration requires cc
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> sandbox?
[20:33] <dogmatic69> dummy checkout stuff, to test integration code
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> ah
[20:33] <dogmatic69> fake sales etc
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> google checkout :)
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> get the company cc :P
[20:33]  * dogmatic69 is the co
[20:33] <dogmatic69> freelancing++
[21:10] <jacobw> does anyone know how to do slideshow wallpaper in unity/gnome?
[21:14] <james_w> jacobw, you can take a look at /usr/share/backgrounds/cosmos/ if you have it installed
[21:14] <james_w> not as easy as "slideshow of pictures in this directory" though
[21:16] <jacobw> it should be :s
[21:17]  * jacobw looks at it anyway
[22:09] <Azelphur> http://speedtest.net/result/1257888305.png woot \o/
[22:10] <Azelphur> on my old line I only got 2mbit average
[22:10] <matti> Azelphur: ;]
[22:10] <matti> Azelphur: Now! Quick! Backup whole Internet!
[22:10] <matti> ;p
[22:10] <Azelphur> actually near enough what I'm intending to do xD
[22:10] <Azelphur> I want daily rsync's from my server
[22:10] <matti> Hahah
[22:28] <bigcalm> Pleasing that Super Meat Boy will play in wine. Shame that it doesn't render all of the elements correctly though
[22:29] <n1md4> hello
[22:29] <n1md4> I'd ho
[22:29] <dogmatic69> o/
[22:32] <n1md4> I wpanted to install testing on my laptop today, and thought I'd downloaded the testing netinst, but now it's up, sources.list says squeeze.  Am I right to assume this is therefore not testing?
[22:34] <brobostigon> n1md4: squeese in not stable, just change oyoure sources.listentried to testing insted of squeese/stable.
[22:34] <brobostigon> squeese is stable*
[22:34] <brobostigon> and then dist-upgrade
[22:34] <n1md4> Just remembered, this is the ubuntu channel -- sorry guys :P  Same difference though :P
[22:35] <n1md4> Thanks, brobostigon.
[22:35] <brobostigon> :)
[22:38] <AlanBell> is testing still called sid?
[22:39] <brobostigon> unstable is sid.
[22:39] <brobostigon> unstable is always sid.
[22:40] <brobostigon> and you can specify either stable/testing/unstable directly in sources.list
[22:42] <brobostigon> not strictly the codename,
[22:51] <AlanBell> sid breaks toys
[22:51] <brobostigon> yes, :)
[22:54] <brobostigon> good night everyone, sleep well.
[22:54] <bigcalm> Night :)
[22:55] <HazRPG> brobostigon: night \o
[22:55] <HazRPG> brobostigon: sleep well
[22:55] <brobostigon> HazRPG: good night, sleep well also.
[22:55] <brobostigon> bigcalm: good night, sleep well.
[22:55] <HazRPG> anyone seem my video I posted up?
[22:56] <brobostigon> o/
[22:56] <HazRPG> I thought it might serve well for linking people to that ask about irc
[23:06] <dogmatic69> lol
[23:07] <dogmatic69> anyone seen http://theoatmeal.com/blog/fix_computer
[23:07] <bigcalm> That's about right
[23:07] <bigcalm> 9 hours to go!
[23:09] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: portal2?
[23:09] <bigcalm> But of course :D
[23:10] <bigcalm> If I go to sleep now, I can get up early and play some before work in the morning!
[23:10] <bigcalm> My goodness, I'm like a little child waiting for xmas
[23:11] <dogmatic69> :
[23:11] <dogmatic69> * :D
[23:11] <dogmatic69> did not play 1, but it looks awesome... saw a clip
[23:37] <gord> sweeeet, upgraded my laptop, killed my root partition
[23:37] <gord> just what i wanted at 11:40pm
[23:38] <popey> oops
[23:39] <Pendulum> gord: ouch
[23:42] <matti> ;/