[00:44] The launchpad page needs to be updated. It has a link to the wiki as the homepage, however it should point to ubuntu-california.org. [00:58] good idea [01:00] there, both are linked [01:00] thanks scott-ian [02:27] happy sunday [02:49] Lazy Sunday [03:00] Not me, madly installing natty and copying stuff from my possibly dying disk to a new one. [03:00] It's running well enough for xchat, I guess that's the important thing. :) [05:59] pleia2, you rock! Just saw the post from the ISA lab :) [17:15] magnificent day isn't it [17:15] * pleia2 hasn't looked outside yet [17:27] I don't suppose there's any point in reporting that aumix is broken on natty? [17:28] I heard rumors that OSS support had been removed, but the (now nonworking) programs apparently are still there. [18:19] pleia2: yesterday was a beautiful day. [18:19] it's been gloomy here [18:19] Unfortunately, I was linked to tvtropes.org in the morning and missed it all. [18:31] pleia2: my blog stopped showing up on Planet Ubuntu just after the LiveJournal DDOS problem. Do you know whom I can contact to see if something needs a nudge? I've already checked and verified the Planet Ubuntu config. [18:32] hm, good question [18:33] might ask in #canonical-sysadmin [19:07] pleia2: Ooh, another IRC channel. Thanks. :) [19:10] nhaines, pleia2: ? [19:10] sn9: hm? [19:13] sn9: yes? [19:13] [Mon 2011-04-18 11:08:33 AM PDT] pleia2: Ooh, another IRC channel. Thanks. :) [19:14] 10:33 < pleia2> might ask in #canonical-sysadmin [19:14] ahhh [19:15] I'm at work, so my ping time is long. [19:38] hello [19:39] hello [19:42] what kinda system are you running seidos? [19:42] a notebook [19:42] what about you projectdp ? [19:42] same [19:42] what hardware? [19:43] are you running ubuntu projectdp ? [19:43] T61 thinkpad [19:43] not yet [19:43] ah, what inspired you to get the thinkpad? [19:44] the keyboard, design, and physical hardware [19:44] what've you got? [19:45] a toshiba [19:45] is it pretty solid? [19:45] i used to do help desk at a shop that used them [19:46] it runs windows well [19:46] linux was a challenge [19:46] i think there are like 2 developers that use it though, thankfully [19:46] yea i got the thinkpad for open source software support too [19:46] most of the devices work fairly well [19:46] with generic drivers [19:46] when i got the toshiba i thought "runs windows well == runs linux well" [19:47] ah [19:47] not the case [19:47] drivers [19:47] not sure where i got that ridiculous assumption planted in my skull [19:47] ah indeed [19:47] i used to know someone with a thinkpad [19:47] they wouldn't install ubuntu either [19:50] ubuntu runs perfectly on my thinkpad [19:50] "perfectly"? [19:51] their concern was with power management performance, granted, they weren't interested in trying to solve that problem [19:51] or power efficiency i should say [19:51] or they were interested, but didn't have the time [19:51] who knows, can't really say i know the guy [19:52] what do you do on your system crashsystems? [19:57] or you seidos? [19:58] i think i just want a separate laptop for ubuntu [19:59] i have two system, really. a server in the closet [19:59] hopefully another one on the way [19:59] server has website, chatbot [20:00] i need to work on transmission-cli [20:00] what about you projectdp ? [20:00] for the most part this laptop just does browsing [20:00] is chromium fairly well supported in ubuntu? [20:00] or chrome? [20:01] i find that hard to believe projectdp [20:01] you mean, does chrome or chromium work in ubuntu? [20:02] yes [20:02] it appears to run quite well for me [20:02] but, who knows what it is doing [20:02] i have no idea what the code does [20:02] is it pretty quick? [20:03] yeah, it's the fastest browser i've ever used [20:03] just wondering if it's still quick in ubuntu :) [20:04] sure you are [20:05] no really, i want to be certain on whether i'll switch [20:05] how much ram do you have? [20:05] 2g [20:06] do you have a 2GB usb stick? [20:07] yes [20:08] why not just install ubuntu on the stick, then try it on your system? you should have enough space on your 2GB stick to install chromium from packages via a live usb [20:08] something to try out [20:09] projectdp: chromium is in the official repos for ubuntu these days, but you still need to download from google to get chrome (or the latest chromium) [20:09] * pleia2 uses chrome with google repos [20:10] i see [20:10] thanks === seidos is now known as ChickenGhost [20:12] ChickenGhost: alright [20:13] Something running off a USB stick may not be a fair test of speed, though [20:13] and certainly it isn't if the whole OS is running off a USB stick [20:13] akk: or is it! [20:14] akk: actually, with 2GB RAM, it's probably not too bad, once things are cached and running. [20:14] Anything that's cached should be okay. But any libs that have to be read off "disk" will be slow. [20:15] So some pages may be slow to load if they trigger a new lib (flash, ssl) or have to load a new font or something. === ChickenGhost is now known as seidos [20:16] i'll have to try it [20:16] And if it's anything like firefox, it's writing to a disk cache too. [20:16] Though hopefully it isn't spending much time waiting on those writes. [20:17] But the on-disk one will be faster loading anything that comes from disk cache. [20:19] doesn't it load the os into ramdisk? [20:21] It loads what it uses, but probably not every file in the OS just in case it might use it. [20:22] i see [20:22] has anyone done work with voice software on ubuntu? [20:22] any sip stuff? [20:23] voip? [20:23] i just looked it up, ekiga is probably a common ubuntu use case..? [20:24] projectdp: how many tabs do you typically have open when you use chrome/chromium? [20:25] 10-20 [20:25] opening new tabs is a little slower off a live usb [20:25] Total Time Spent: 1720 hr 27 min [20:25] Total Tabs Opened: 16433 [20:25] projectdp: top 10? [20:25] akk: firefox disk caches are all in a tmpfs in memory. [20:25] er, top 5 would be better [20:26] are you asking what my top 5 sites are? [20:26] yeah, or top 5 tabs [20:27] projectdp: Please note that your answer will be preserved forever by chatlogs and Google. :) [20:27] nhaines: excellent, that's good to hear [20:27] gmail, gcal, ttf, vark.com, quora.com, tweetdeck google-app [20:27] never heard of ttf [20:27] https://www.thinktankforums.com/ [20:27] awesome small community [20:28] custom built forum [20:28] with full revisions for data preservation [20:29] ah, i see [20:29] that's what ttf is [20:29] 11 tabs open, i can barely notice a difference [20:30] so yeah projectdp, it's close but not perfect [20:30] from a liveusb [20:30] i mean, testing it yourself might be more valuable to you than words [20:31] yea no worries i'll try [20:31] what me worry? [20:35] crashsystems1: what happened? [20:36] ? [20:36] oh, "what do you do on your computer" [20:37] a little bit of everything [20:37] that too, most recently i meant [20:37] whats up with the second you? [20:37] "crashsystems1", "crashsystems" [20:38] well, the version without the number at the end is irccloud (what I use on desktops/laptops), and the one with the 1 is my phone [20:38] ah [20:38] what client do you use on your phone? [20:38] AndChat [20:38] OS? [20:38] android [20:39] sweet [20:40] are there any solid ssh clients for android? [20:40] i've only read of connectbot [20:40] ConnectBot [20:46] projectdp: what's wrong with ConnectBot? [20:47] nothing, there just doesn't seem much selection. i'm just curious, i'm in the market for a new phone [20:47] considering the smart phone jump soon [20:51] i think it was just so awesome out of the gate nothing else got big. :) [20:54] sweet [21:01] has anyone done android app development? [21:02] projectdp: have you? [21:03] i haven't [21:03] I have, a little [21:03] not really, i got my development environment up is about all [21:03] alright here's an irc question, when using /list on freenode, what's the best way to search the damn thing [21:03] i would think having the hardware would kind of be necessary [21:04] projectdp: have you heard of those beagle boards? they may have a different name [21:04] is that the dev board? [21:04] i'm sure those things are a lot friggen faster than emulation right? [21:05] the emulation takes for ever on my machine [21:05] i dunno, never used one. i've seen them, read about them [21:05] ah, emulating android [21:05] wow, things are so snappy off this liveusb i'm not even inclined to reboot [21:06] emulation misses a lot of hardware that real android devices have. [21:08] i would think that's true. developing anything good for android without having one is probably impossible [21:09] I suspect to develop a real, full fledged app you'd probably need several devices, with different hardware, running different android versions. [21:10] do you have an android akk? [21:10] i should say android(TM) [21:10] my notebook's name is c3po :) [21:11] I have a small android tablet, not a phone. [21:12] if i get a computer after this one, it'll be a tablet if they have one i can draw on [21:12] akk: do you like yours? [21:13] $on=with [21:13] I love it, though it has some issues/bugs, and I wish it ran something newer than Android 1.6. [21:14] ah [21:15] akk, how do you get the apps on the other devices without the app going live through the market? [21:15] projectdp: I can go through the market (via a market app hack and wifi) for apps only available that way, but I prefer to copy the .apk onto the device via USB, then install it locally. [21:16] The market's a PITA to use, so the USB method is way easier. I wish more apps would make a .apk available. [21:17] Or source -- it's amazing how many android apps claim to be GPL but have neither source nor even an .apk available. [21:17] oh nice [21:20] ooo, idea, i have a reason to reboot now [21:46] ls [21:46] l works apparently [21:47] doesn't quite feel right though