[00:44] <scott-ian> The launchpad page needs to be updated.  It has a link to the wiki as the homepage, however it should point to ubuntu-california.org.
[00:58] <pleia2> good idea
[01:00] <pleia2> there, both are linked
[01:00] <pleia2> thanks scott-ian
[02:27] <jtatum> happy sunday
[02:49] <Algo> Lazy Sunday
[03:00] <akk> Not me, madly installing natty and copying stuff from my possibly dying disk to a new one.
[03:00] <akk> It's running well enough for xchat, I guess that's the important thing. :)
[05:59] <MarkDude> pleia2, you rock! Just saw the post from the ISA lab :)
[17:15] <projectdp> magnificent day isn't it
[17:15]  * pleia2 hasn't looked outside yet
[17:27] <akk> I don't suppose there's any point in reporting that aumix is broken on natty?
[17:28] <akk> I heard rumors that OSS support had been removed, but the (now nonworking) programs apparently are still there.
[18:19] <nhaines> pleia2: yesterday was a beautiful day.
[18:19] <pleia2> it's been gloomy here
[18:19] <nhaines> Unfortunately, I was linked to tvtropes.org in the morning and missed it all.
[18:31] <nhaines> pleia2: my blog stopped showing up on Planet Ubuntu just after the LiveJournal DDOS problem.  Do you know whom I can contact to see if something needs a nudge?  I've already checked and verified the Planet Ubuntu config.
[18:32] <pleia2> hm, good question
[18:33] <pleia2> might ask in #canonical-sysadmin
[19:07] <nhaines> pleia2: Ooh, another IRC channel.  Thanks.  :)
[19:10] <sn9> nhaines, pleia2: ?
[19:10] <pleia2> sn9: hm?
[19:13] <nhaines> sn9: yes?
[19:13] <sn9> [Mon 2011-04-18 11:08:33 AM PDT] <nhaines> pleia2: Ooh, another IRC channel.  Thanks.  :)
[19:14] <nhaines> 10:33 < pleia2> might ask in #canonical-sysadmin
[19:14] <sn9> ahhh
[19:15] <nhaines> I'm at work, so my ping time is long.
[19:38] <projectdp> hello
[19:39] <seidos> hello
[19:42] <projectdp> what kinda system are you running seidos?
[19:42] <seidos> a notebook
[19:42] <seidos> what about you projectdp ?
[19:42] <projectdp> same
[19:42] <seidos> what hardware?
[19:43] <seidos> are you running ubuntu projectdp ?
[19:43] <projectdp> T61 thinkpad
[19:43] <projectdp> not yet
[19:43] <seidos> ah, what inspired you to get the thinkpad?
[19:44] <projectdp> the keyboard, design, and physical hardware
[19:44] <projectdp> what've you got?
[19:45] <seidos> a toshiba
[19:45] <projectdp> is it pretty solid?
[19:45] <seidos> i used to do help desk at a shop that used them
[19:46] <seidos> it runs windows well
[19:46] <seidos> linux was a challenge
[19:46] <seidos> i think there are like 2 developers that use it though, thankfully
[19:46] <projectdp> yea i got the thinkpad for open source software support too
[19:46] <projectdp> most of the devices work fairly well
[19:46] <projectdp> with generic drivers
[19:46] <seidos> when i got the toshiba i thought "runs windows well == runs linux well"
[19:47] <projectdp> ah
[19:47] <projectdp> not the case
[19:47] <projectdp> drivers
[19:47] <seidos> not sure where i got that ridiculous assumption planted in my skull
[19:47] <seidos> ah indeed
[19:47] <seidos> i used to know someone with a thinkpad
[19:47] <seidos> they wouldn't install ubuntu either
[19:50] <crashsystems> ubuntu runs perfectly on my thinkpad
[19:50] <seidos> "perfectly"?
[19:51] <seidos> their concern was with power management performance, granted, they weren't interested in trying to solve that problem
[19:51] <seidos> or power efficiency i should say
[19:51] <seidos> or they were interested, but didn't have the time
[19:51] <seidos> who knows, can't really say i know the guy
[19:52] <projectdp> what do you do on your system crashsystems?
[19:57] <projectdp> or you seidos?
[19:58] <projectdp> i think i just want a separate laptop for ubuntu
[19:59] <seidos> i have two system, really.  a server in the closet
[19:59] <seidos> hopefully another one on the way
[19:59] <seidos> server has website, chatbot
[20:00] <seidos> i need to work on transmission-cli
[20:00] <seidos> what about you projectdp ?
[20:00] <projectdp> for the most part this laptop just does browsing
[20:00] <projectdp> is chromium fairly well supported in ubuntu?
[20:00] <projectdp> or chrome?
[20:01] <seidos> i find that hard to believe projectdp
[20:01] <seidos> you mean, does chrome or chromium work in ubuntu?
[20:02] <projectdp> yes
[20:02] <seidos> it appears to run quite well for me
[20:02] <seidos> but, who knows what it is doing
[20:02] <seidos> i have no idea what the code does
[20:02] <projectdp> is it pretty quick?
[20:03] <seidos> yeah, it's the fastest browser i've ever used
[20:03] <projectdp> just wondering if it's still quick in ubuntu :)
[20:04] <seidos> sure you are
[20:05] <projectdp> no really, i want to be certain on whether i'll switch
[20:05] <seidos> how much ram do you have?
[20:05] <projectdp> 2g
[20:06] <seidos> do you have a 2GB usb stick?
[20:07] <projectdp> yes
[20:08] <seidos> why not just install ubuntu on the stick, then try it on your system?  you should have enough space on your 2GB stick to install chromium from packages via a live usb
[20:08] <seidos> something to try out
[20:09] <pleia2> projectdp: chromium is in the official repos for ubuntu these days, but you still need to download from google to get chrome (or the latest chromium)
[20:09]  * pleia2 uses chrome with google repos
[20:10] <projectdp> i see
[20:10] <projectdp> thanks
[20:12] <projectdp> ChickenGhost: alright
[20:13] <akk> Something running off a USB stick may not be a fair test of speed, though
[20:13] <akk> and certainly it isn't if the whole OS is running off a USB stick
[20:13] <nhaines> akk: or is it!
[20:14] <nhaines> akk: actually, with 2GB RAM, it's probably not too bad, once things are cached and running.
[20:14] <akk> Anything that's cached should be okay. But any libs that have to be read off "disk" will be slow.
[20:15] <akk> So some pages may be slow to load if they trigger a new lib (flash, ssl) or have to load a new font or something.
[20:16] <seidos> i'll have to try it
[20:16] <akk> And if it's anything like firefox, it's writing to a disk cache too.
[20:16] <akk> Though hopefully it isn't spending much time waiting on those writes.
[20:17] <akk> But the on-disk one will be faster loading anything that comes from disk cache.
[20:19] <projectdp> doesn't it load the os into ramdisk?
[20:21] <akk> It loads what it uses, but probably not every file in the OS just in case it might use it.
[20:22] <projectdp> i see
[20:22] <projectdp> has anyone done work with voice software on ubuntu?
[20:22] <projectdp> any sip stuff?
[20:23] <projectdp> voip?
[20:23] <projectdp> i just looked it up, ekiga is probably a common ubuntu use case..?
[20:24] <seidos> projectdp: how many tabs do you typically have open when you use chrome/chromium?
[20:25] <projectdp> 10-20
[20:25] <seidos> opening new tabs is a little slower off a live usb
[20:25] <projectdp> Total Time Spent: 1720 hr 27 min
[20:25] <projectdp> Total Tabs Opened: 16433
[20:25] <seidos> projectdp: top 10?
[20:25] <nhaines> akk: firefox disk caches are all in a tmpfs in memory.
[20:25] <seidos> er, top 5 would be better
[20:26] <projectdp> are you asking what my top 5 sites are?
[20:26] <seidos> yeah, or top 5 tabs
[20:27] <nhaines> projectdp: Please note that your answer will be preserved forever by chatlogs and Google.  :)
[20:27] <akk> nhaines: excellent, that's good to hear
[20:27] <projectdp> gmail, gcal, ttf, vark.com, quora.com, tweetdeck google-app
[20:27] <seidos> never heard of ttf
[20:27] <projectdp> https://www.thinktankforums.com/
[20:27] <projectdp> awesome small community
[20:28] <projectdp> custom built forum
[20:28] <projectdp> with full revisions for data preservation
[20:29] <seidos> ah, i see
[20:29] <seidos> that's what ttf is
[20:29] <seidos> 11 tabs open, i can barely notice a difference
[20:30] <seidos> so yeah projectdp, it's close but not perfect
[20:30] <seidos> from a liveusb
[20:30] <seidos> i mean, testing it yourself might be more valuable to you than words
[20:31] <projectdp> yea no worries i'll try
[20:31] <seidos> what me worry?
[20:35] <projectdp> crashsystems1: what happened?
[20:36] <crashsystems> ?
[20:36] <crashsystems> oh, "what do you do on your computer"
[20:37] <crashsystems> a little bit of everything
[20:37] <projectdp> that too, most recently i meant
[20:37] <projectdp> whats up with the second you?
[20:37] <projectdp> "crashsystems1", "crashsystems"
[20:38] <crashsystems> well, the version without the number at the end is irccloud (what I use on desktops/laptops), and the one with the 1 is my phone
[20:38] <projectdp> ah
[20:38] <projectdp> what client do you use on your phone?
[20:38] <crashsystems> AndChat
[20:38] <projectdp> OS?
[20:38] <crashsystems> android
[20:39] <projectdp> sweet
[20:40] <projectdp> are there any solid ssh clients for android?
[20:40] <projectdp> i've only read of connectbot
[20:40] <crashsystems> ConnectBot
[20:46] <nhaines> projectdp: what's wrong with ConnectBot?
[20:47] <projectdp> nothing, there just doesn't seem much selection. i'm just curious, i'm in the market for a new phone
[20:47] <projectdp> considering the smart phone jump soon
[20:51] <nhaines> i think it was just so awesome out of the gate nothing else got big. :)
[20:54] <projectdp> sweet
[21:01] <projectdp> has anyone done android app development?
[21:02] <seidos> projectdp: have you?
[21:03] <seidos> i haven't
[21:03] <akk> I have, a little
[21:03] <projectdp> not really, i got my development environment up is about all
[21:03] <projectdp> alright here's an irc question, when using /list on freenode, what's the best way to search the damn thing
[21:03] <seidos> i would think having the hardware would kind of be necessary
[21:04] <seidos> projectdp: have you heard of those beagle boards?  they may have a different name
[21:04] <projectdp> is that the dev board?
[21:04] <projectdp> i'm sure those things are a lot friggen faster than emulation right?
[21:05] <projectdp> the emulation takes for ever on my machine
[21:05] <seidos> i dunno, never used one.  i've seen them, read about them
[21:05] <seidos> ah, emulating android
[21:05] <seidos> wow, things are so snappy off this liveusb i'm not even inclined to reboot
[21:06] <akk> emulation misses a lot of hardware that real android devices have.
[21:08] <seidos> i would think that's true.  developing anything good for android without having one is probably impossible
[21:09] <akk> I suspect to develop a real, full fledged app you'd probably need several devices, with different hardware, running different android versions.
[21:10] <seidos> do you have an android akk?
[21:10] <seidos> i should say android(TM)
[21:10] <seidos> my notebook's name is c3po :)
[21:11] <akk> I have a small android tablet, not a phone.
[21:12] <seidos> if i get a computer after this one, it'll be a tablet if they have one i can draw on
[21:12] <seidos> akk: do you like yours?
[21:13] <seidos> $on=with
[21:13] <akk> I love it, though it has some issues/bugs, and I wish it ran something newer than Android 1.6.
[21:14] <seidos> ah
[21:15] <projectdp> akk, how do you get the apps on the other devices without the app going live through the market?
[21:15] <akk> projectdp: I can go through the market (via a market app hack and wifi) for apps only available that way, but I prefer to copy the .apk onto the device via USB, then install it locally.
[21:16] <akk> The market's a PITA to use, so the USB method is way easier. I wish more apps would make a .apk available.
[21:17] <akk> Or source -- it's amazing how many android apps claim to be GPL but have neither source nor even an .apk available.
[21:17] <projectdp> oh nice
[21:20] <seidos> ooo, idea, i have a reason to reboot now
[21:46] <jdeslip> ls
[21:46] <seidos> l works apparently
[21:47] <seidos> doesn't quite feel right though