[04:33] <snap-l> Wow, that was loud. :)
[07:32] <Black839> what up
[12:35] <rick_h_> brousch: I hear that the rush concert was so bad the band is burning all the tape and breaking up now. ;)
[12:38] <brousch> rush? are they still around?
[12:38] <brousch> my step mom has some of their albums
[12:39] <brousch> do they mount their instruments to walkers or hoverounds?
[12:40] <rick_h_> I'm not sure, the video will never survive
[12:45] <brousch> and anyone who was there won't remember due to Alzheimer's
[12:46] <brousch> bummer
[12:47] <rick_h_> probably
[13:32] <snap-l> I think someone is looking for a paddling
[13:33] <tjagoda> Oh my
[13:33] <rick_h_> lol
[13:33] <rick_h_> I'm surprised you're up and about this early
[13:33] <snap-l> I am too
[14:17] <slestak> Rush is a bad name for a band that old
[14:17] <slestak> (and I do like them)
[14:18] <slestak> Im reminded of the Carol Burnett show cahracter with Tim Conway "I'm On My Way..... There"
[14:24] <snap-l> If you saw the band that I saw last night, you wouldn't be saying that. :)
[14:24] <snap-l> They're still well in the height of their powers
[14:26] <snap-l> They recorded the show two nights prior, so if anyone wants a free screening of why Rush is still the #1 band out there, LMK, and when the DVD comes out, we'll do a screening
[14:26] <rick_h_> well no point seeing it if we can't see snap-l going nuts in the front row throwing underwear on stage
[14:27] <snap-l> One does not throw things at Rush
[14:27] <snap-l> one gets things thrown to him by Rush
[14:27] <snap-l> like Back Stage Passes
[14:27] <snap-l> which would be nice if they'd work on their throwing arm a little bit
[14:28] <rick_h_> too told to make the back seats?
[14:28] <rick_h_> /told/old
[14:29] <jrwren> i just read vwduder's tweet about a gtk3 based abiword... I haven't heard or thought about abiword in at least 7 years.
[14:30] <snap-l> rick_h_: You're just jealous that Kiss isn't touring. :)
[14:30] <rick_h_> yea, that'd be a good use of a bomb
[14:31] <snap-l> A love bomb, maybe.
[14:31] <rick_h_> lol, never could stand kiss, like ac/dc
[14:31] <rick_h_> for some reason, just never got it
[14:31] <snap-l> Yeah, about the only thing that I can appreciate of Kiss is the marketing mind of Gene Simmons
[14:32] <snap-l> I mean, putting the logo and his ugly mug on just about anything out there exhibits the same shock value that the band were so well known for
[14:33] <snap-l> But after that, it's all pretty middling for me
[14:36] <snap-l> Funny enough, Rush toured with Kiss for a while
[14:49] <tjagoda> http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2011/04/oracle-gives-up-on-ooo-after-community-forks-the-project.ars
[14:49] <tjagoda> Good summary of why Oracle threw the towel in its OOo fight
[14:52] <snap-l> Gee, you mean people will leave if we treat them like shit?
[14:52] <snap-l> Whooda thunk it
[14:54] <tjagoda> I like the last line of that article
[14:54] <tjagoda> "Oracle's current approach to dealing with the communities that  participate in its own open source software projects is clearly not  sustainable, and is arguably becoming detrimental to some aspects of the  company's long-term business agenda. "
[14:56] <snap-l> Oracle's reasons for the acquisition of Sun can be summed up in one word: hardware.
[14:56] <snap-l> They don't give a shit about the software side of the house
[14:57] <snap-l> Java might get some attention
[14:57] <snap-l> Owning MySQL means they have the mindshare of the small database market (at least those that haven't skipped off to another fork or PostgreSQL)
[14:58] <snap-l> Virtualbox is Virtualbox.
[14:59] <snap-l> It's a shame that Jonathan Schwartz wasn't more successful
[15:01] <jrwren> why is that a shame?
[15:01] <snap-l> Because I'm one of the few people that appreciated what Sun did in it's last days.
[15:02] <jrwren> what do you appreciate?
[15:02] <jrwren> I saw Schwartz's role as cleaning up after mcnealy and preping for sale.
[15:03] <snap-l> That they opened up Star Office, made NetBeans available for free, started the path to open-sourcing Java, and released VirtualBox as GPL
[15:03] <snap-l> And didn't screw too much with the licensing of MySQL
[15:03] <snap-l> Essentially, they gave away their products
[15:04] <jrwren> didn't nearly all of that happen before schwarz?
[15:04] <tjagoda> Because who was going to buy Star Office anyway?
[15:04] <tjagoda> =P
[15:04] <snap-l> Which, um, isn't a particularly sustainable business model, but didn't make me wince in pain when I saw their logo
[15:04] <snap-l> jrwren: I thought that all happened within his reign
[15:06] <jrwren> i have no idea.
[15:06] <jrwren> i only know that sun has never impressed me.
[15:06] <jrwren> the 80s they may have had some great tech, that was before my time.
[15:06] <jrwren> but since 1994 everything they have done has been trumped by abilities of linux and open source.
[15:06] <snap-l> jrwren: You were born in the 1990s?
[15:07] <jrwren> before my unix time silly.
[15:07] <jrwren> i'm only a few yrs younger than you.
[15:07] <snap-l> I always thought you were born yesterday. ;)
[15:07] <jrwren> yes yes.
[15:07] <jrwren> and you just started using linux yesterday.
[15:07] <snap-l> Every day I start using Linux. :)
[15:08] <snap-l> Feel like I'm constantly learning
[15:08] <jrwren> and every day its like the first time.
[15:08] <jrwren> me too.
[15:08] <jrwren> that is great.
[15:08] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBxbPts5tOk
[15:08] <snap-l> jrwren: ^
[15:08] <jrwren> i just learned about Windows Search Services or some such and its a never been attempted GSoC
[15:08] <jrwren> I really hope someone picks it up
[15:09] <jrwren> hahaha.
[15:09] <jrwren> snap-l: i will not listen to that, but you made me laugh.
[15:11] <snap-l> Yeah, I didn't get too far into that song
[15:12] <snap-l> Schwartz was president and COO of Sun in 2004
[15:13] <snap-l> So it could very well have been his hand making these decisions with Scott McNealy rubber-stamping them
[15:13] <snap-l> McNealy became a ghost after a while.
[15:13] <tjagoda> snap-l wants to believe in the Schwartz
[15:13] <jrwren> got ya.
[15:14] <jrwren> I knew mcnealy wasn't out that early
[15:14] <jrwren> but i can respect that he was COO
[15:14] <snap-l> tjagoda: May the Schwartz be with you.
[15:14] <snap-l> McNealy went to cranbrook
[15:15] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_McNealy#Opinions
[15:15] <tjagoda> I hate it when my Schwartz gets twisted.
[15:15] <snap-l> Very profound idea on the networking piece
[15:16] <jrwren> really?
[15:16] <jrwren> the network is the computer?
[15:16] <jrwren> well, it turned out sun was right on that, but it certainly wasn't like anything they ever suggested.
[15:16] <snap-l> There’s a pendulum thing where stuff is on the client side and then goes back into the network where it belongs. The answering machine put voicemail by the desk, and then it went back into the network. Your iPod is like your home answering machine. I guarantee you it will be hard to sell an iPod five or seven years from now when every cell phone can access your entire music library wherever you are."
[15:17] <snap-l> Of course he didn't see the iPhone coming. :)
[15:17] <jrwren> yeah.
[15:17] <jrwren> or rather he DID see the iphone coming. he called it exactly ;)
[15:18] <snap-l> I assume he meant that these devices would all be running some shit like Blackberry's JVM. ;)
[15:18] <jrwren> i thought it would be a sun client to a sun server somewhere.
[15:18] <jrwren> like the Sun RAY protocol in your hand.
[15:18] <tjagoda> Don't be hating the JVM
[15:18] <snap-l> Oh, more than likely
[15:18] <tjagoda> =(
[15:18] <jrwren> how can you not hate the JVM?
[15:19] <snap-l> tjagoda: The JVM is nice, when it isn't running Java. ;)
[15:19] <jrwren> even then it kind of sucks, no runtime generics.
[15:19] <jrwren> Hotspot JIT is very cool though.
[15:25] <snap-l> Grr, I'm going to have to shovel
[15:31] <jrwren> my thunderbird profile is 9GB.
[15:38] <rick_h_> dammit, I'm going to kill someone today. There's no saving it any more
[15:38] <_stink_> i'll start taking donations for bail
[15:38] <jrwren> rick_h_: where is your github?
[15:38] <jrwren> I want to try that jj in my .vimrc
[15:38] <rick_h_> github.com/mitechie/
[15:38] <rick_h_> add /pyvim for the vim repo
[15:38] <rick_h_> _stink_: yea, send a layer to NC
[15:39] <_stink_> *that* guy again?
[15:39] <rick_h_> yea, except now I'm being told to fix his code
[15:39] <rick_h_> he gets some stupid mysql timeout errors he can't trace
[15:39] <rick_h_> and blames my auth code that runs fine on 4 other projects
[15:40] <rick_h_> so boss sends it to me to fix, so now I have to deal with all this crap code
[15:40] <_stink_> ... yikes
[15:40] <rick_h_>    # Most of the stuff below is from Rick's QMAIL project - it represents code to support
[15:40] <rick_h_>     # the CRUD of user accounts. Since my page flow didn't map well to Rick's, I've created my own
[15:40] <rick_h_>     # controller (admin.py) and template (admin/start.mako) to handle these functions.
[15:40] <rick_h_> so he comments out my working freaking code, that's 5 methods, all working
[15:40] <tjagoda> We have a business critical web app
[15:40] <tjagoda> It doesn't work in firefox 4
[15:40] <tjagoda> it doesn't work in IE 9
[15:40] <rick_h_> and creates a giant 400 line single point "add, edit, displayu users" master controller
[15:40] <tjagoda> It doesn't work in the latest version of chrome
[15:40] <tjagoda> -_-
[15:41] <rick_h_> tjagoda: heh, we have that too, our ereview system
[15:41] <rick_h_> the JS that asks "Are you sure" is ie specific to IE < 9
[15:41] <tjagoda> Fucking webapps
[15:41] <_stink_> rick_h_: hah.  "page flow" == "brain" in this case
[15:41] <jrwren> mitechie... here I was googling for rick_h
[15:41] <rick_h_> no, fucking dumass devs that can't learn how to use a language without being retarded about it
[15:41] <tjagoda> Even the aesthetics don't render correctly
[15:42] <rick_h_> _stink_: exactly, so how much time did he waste with this pile of shit when I GAVE him working code
[15:42] <tjagoda> When a sizable portion of the community does it wrong, I move on from blaming devs and instead target the entire market =P
[15:42] <rick_h_> and oh let me count the bugs...1...2...12
[15:42] <rick_h_> tjagoda: your one app == entire market?
[15:43] <tjagoda> We also have the same issue with Covisint web apps
[15:43] <tjagoda> They just never work in anything other than IE
[15:43] <tjagoda> and probably not in IE9 anymore either
[15:43] <rick_h_> then send them a bug and tell them to hire real web devs vs kids in high school
[15:43] <tjagoda> Covisint publishes what Chrysler makes, I think
[15:43]  * snap-l avoids the "your first problem..." joke
[15:43] <rick_h_> or just make sure they're not kids in high school
[15:44] <tjagoda> snap-l should know
[15:44] <tjagoda> he's the chrysler insider =P
[15:44] <rick_h_> yea, I've seen chrylsers shit
[15:44] <tjagoda> Maybe I should revise my statement to say "Fucking automotive webapps"
[15:44] <snap-l> tjagoda: ding ding ding
[15:45] <rick_h_> they can't get a single header worth of CSS to be cross browser and that's with one image and two links
[15:45] <snap-l> tjagoda: You only have to test one browser, and that's IE6
[15:45] <snap-l> everything else be damned.
[15:45] <tjagoda> I hate this market so much
[15:45] <tjagoda> Everything is done for the minimum cost
[15:45] <tjagoda> Which is real fun for IT, the HUGE COST CENTER
[15:45] <snap-l> tjagoda: Yeah, it's all IT"s fauly.
[15:45] <snap-l> fault, even
[15:46] <tjagoda> I mean, I understand why they only dev to one browser
[15:46] <tjagoda> because their managers cut off all the funding to do more than one
[15:46] <tjagoda> but that does not make me hate them any less
[15:46] <jrwren> jj is gonna take some getting used to. I'm an esc basher.
[15:46] <_stink_> same here
[15:46] <_stink_> i haven't tried jj yet
[15:47] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, give it a couple of days though
[15:48] <snap-l> I can't get away from the escape key
[15:48] <snap-l> Sorry, but I've dismissed otherwise good keyboards because the escape key felt like a mushy calculator button
[15:49] <tjagoda> Have I complained about the keyboard on my new HP laptop yet?
[15:49] <tjagoda> It is easy to type on
[15:49] <tjagoda> but it bounces
[15:49] <tjagoda> the rest fo this EliteBook 8740w is built like a rock
[15:49] <tjagoda> but the keyboard flexes
[15:49] <snap-l> Friend brought over the new Chrysler-issued laptops
[15:49] <tjagoda> -_-
[15:49] <snap-l> Oh.My.God.They.Are.Shit.
[15:50] <tjagoda> What are they?
[15:50] <snap-l> HP ProBook
[15:50] <snap-l> locked down beyond belief
[15:50] <tjagoda> I bought one ProBook
[15:50] <snap-l> with a runway of lights on the front
[15:50] <tjagoda> They are so flimsy
[15:51] <tjagoda> so much flex
[15:51] <slestak> anyone know if thre is gonna be a beta 3 before golive?
[15:51] <tjagoda> I'd doubt there's time
[15:51] <snap-l> slestak: Not sure
[15:51] <tjagoda> Beta2 is still open, yes?
[15:51] <snap-l> I thought this one wasn't getting a release candidate, though
[15:51] <tjagoda> You are correct
[15:51] <snap-l> tjagoda: Beta 2 was released.
[15:51] <tjagoda> That's what beta2 is
[15:51] <slestak> i would consider my bug from the weekend a showstopper
[15:52] <slestak> repeatable.
[15:52] <tjagoda> There are still a lot of big bugs
[15:52] <snap-l> slestak: Repeatable on other hardware?
[15:52] <tjagoda> 3d screensavers still kill X11 for me
[15:52] <tjagoda> and I found a plethora of bug reports from multiple people describing the same bug
[15:52] <tjagoda> They even said they patched it in the last beta, but they did not =(
[15:52] <slestak> well, cant say for that.  repeatable on this hardware, when other releases of ubunto and distros are an easy install
[15:53] <slestak> i have had this setup for years and have had prob 5 distros on this machine
[15:53] <snap-l> slestak: See if you can get some other hardware to do the same bug
[15:53] <tjagoda> Slestak sounds like he's in my boat
[15:53] <snap-l> if so, then you've got a showstopper
[15:53] <tjagoda> Solid ubuntu since 2009
[15:53] <slestak> i dont have anything I can use, i will try
[15:53] <tjagoda> But no longer
[15:53] <slestak> anyoen have a dual boot setup?
[15:53] <tjagoda> whats your bug?
[15:53] <snap-l> slestak: Unfortunately, no
[15:53] <slestak> lemme get teh number
[15:54] <tjagoda> Is it impossible to install two versions of IE side by side?
[15:54] <slestak> 763155
[15:54] <slestak> what is wierd, is this only showed itself on "reinstall".  not on first install
[15:54] <snap-l> tjagoda: I think it's possible to have two versions of IE
[15:54] <slestak> I used option 3 to choose partitions myself all times
[15:54] <snap-l> but NFC how to do it
[15:55] <jrwren> EliteBook is nice, bummer to hear about the KB
[15:55] <slestak> the first install succedded (but was not usable for Unity issues).  on first install I also tried booting with /home preserved from Mint Debian install
[15:55] <slestak> reinstall was wiping /home and starting fresh
[15:56] <slestak> after that first install, no other installes of beta2 would succeed.
[15:56] <slestak> i should try beta1
[15:56] <slestak> see if it is a regression
[15:57] <snap-l> And now for a conference call. Wooot
[15:57] <tjagoda> And now I reboot to remove IE9
[17:42] <brousch> darnit. what's the vim command for delete the current line?
[17:43] <greg-g> dd
[17:43] <brousch> awesome. greg-g you win a cookie
[17:47] <greg-g> yay!
[17:54] <snap-l> Taking some lunch time to make another Club Metal Episode
[17:54] <snap-l> aka: Music to have kinky sex by
[17:54] <tjagoda> Oh my
[17:54] <tjagoda> Remember
[17:54] <tjagoda> that shit is now logged
[17:54] <tjagoda> =P
[17:55] <gamerchick02> wow.
[17:56] <snap-l> bah
[17:56] <brousch> not that there's anything wrong with kinky sex
[17:57] <snap-l> Funny enough, if I stick to my original release date, it'll release the Friday of Penguicon. :)
[17:57] <gamerchick02> hehe, cool.
[17:57] <greg-g> is Penguicon supposed to be related to kinky sex somehow?
[17:57] <greg-g> :P
[17:58] <snap-l> greg-g: You tell me. ;)
[17:58] <greg-g> lol
[18:01] <rick_h__> hmm, is it supposed to? or is it anyway
[18:02] <_stink_> this is the closest #ubuntu-us-mi will get to a locker room.
[18:02]  * brousch forgot his towel
[18:02] <greg-g> awww man!
[18:03] <brousch> lemme use your cookie
[18:03] <gamerchick02> if it's a locker room, i'm in the wrong one.
[18:04] <rick_h__> heh, "family locker room" like those family bathrooms
[18:07] <tjagoda> It's like the starship troopers locker room.
[18:07] <tjagoda> =P
[18:08] <gamerchick02> http://www.jumbojoke.com/the_worst_ethnic_joke_ever_told.html
[18:09]  * gamerchick02 loves bad jokes
[18:09] <gamerchick02> and contrary to the title, it's not really ethnic. more of a pun.
[18:09] <greg-g> lolz
[18:12] <wolfger> all the same, i don't want that URL popping up in my work laptop's browser history :-p
[18:12] <gamerchick02> good point.
[18:13] <wolfger> so how is everybody this fine snowy day?
[18:13] <tjagoda> lol
[18:14] <wolfger> looks like the snow has finally stopped falling
[18:15] <wolfger> Let the melting commence! And another round of muddy pawprints all through the house :-p
[18:16] <tjagoda> Solution: do not let the dog outside
[18:16] <tjagoda> Instead, clean up far more localized poop and urine stains
[18:23] <wolfger> note to self: do not let tjagoda come up with solutions
[18:25] <tjagoda> =(
[18:25] <_stink_> hah
[18:29] <gamerchick02> it's stopped snowing here.
[18:34] <greg-g> rick_h__: http://www.serverwatch.com/tutorials/article.php/3931076/Get-More-Out-of-Git-Use-Gist-With-Vim.htm
[19:05] <rick_h__> greg-g: heh, http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=2423#4.9 was just in my rss feed to follow up with
[19:05] <rick_h__> I had the plugin before, but it was very limited and  had some bugs
[19:05] <rick_h__> seen it's been updated recently so want to try it again
[19:32] <slestak> anyone know any pythonistas that need a gig in a2?
[19:33] <slestak> i have a solid lead, involved embedded stuff, twisted, and gtk
[19:34] <rick_h__> embedded python?
[19:35] <rick_h__> or just embedded C along with python for gui/etc?
[19:35] <PainBank> twisted and gtk... oh sounds fun.
[19:36] <slestak> c for microcontrollers,
[19:38] <slestak> here is the link.  i know a guy that already works there.  he asked me if I had any python friends lookign for work.
[19:38] <slestak> http://www.reddit.com/r/forhire/comments/gbxss/hiring_build_robots_with_python_seriously_mi_or_mn/
[19:39] <rick_h__> cool
[19:41] <slestak> i think they are lookign for junior dev so those of us w mortgages need not apply :)
[19:56] <snap-l> http://braiker.tumblr.com/post/4710736472/tina-feys-prayer-for-her-daughter
[20:52] <rick_h__> http://blog.mitechie.com/2011/04/18/first-bookie-sprint-good-friday/
[20:52] <rick_h__> come one come all...
[20:52] <rick_h__> I'll settle for some
[20:52] <rick_h__> :P
[20:52] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPEvNSlYdf4
[20:54] <greg-g> rick_h__: retweeted
[20:54] <rick_h__> ty kind sir
[20:54] <rick_h__> going to be low key, but wth...first of many right? :)
[20:54] <ColonelPanic001> rick_h__: you hold an event like that on a... wait, that's a holiday
[20:54]  * ColonelPanic001 checks to see if he has that off
[20:54] <rick_h__> rgr
[20:55] <rick_h__> that's the point, I can use day care for the kid and wife has to work so might as well hack
[20:55] <ColonelPanic001> _stink_ told me a little about bookie, sounds great - I kind of always wished a open alternative would come up
[20:55] <_stink_> ColonelPanic001: we don't have that day off
[20:55] <_stink_> i took it off
[20:56] <ColonelPanic001> ah, k
[20:56] <ColonelPanic001> I suspected we might not, being that it's religious
[20:56] <_stink_> Labor day is also religious
[20:57] <ColonelPanic001> :P
[20:57] <ColonelPanic001> I'm a dirty heathen and shall be working on the Good day
[20:58] <_stink_> yes
[20:59] <rick_h__> that's ok, suppose you're better off than the guy that takes advantage of getting the day off for holy reasons...and plans a party instead
[21:00] <jrmy> hello
[21:00] <jrmy> anyone recognize me?
[21:00] <_stink_> Mom?
[21:00] <jrmy> lol
[21:00] <jrmy> no
[21:01] <jrmy> well its been awhile since i was on this channel
[21:01] <jrmy> maybe half a year..
[21:01] <jrmy> probably longer
[21:01] <jrmy> decided to use my old computer with linux on it again seeing as my laptop broke
[21:02] <jrmy> try playing some emulators or somethin..
[21:02] <jrmy> i need to fix my sound issue though
[21:04] <jrmy> i followed a link for updating alsa.. idk if it will work but i swear that before you could simply select your audio devices. must of been on ubuntu though and not xubuntu which btw im using 10.04 or lucid i think its called
[21:04] <_stink_> the pulseaudio applet lets you do that.
[21:04] <jrmy> how do i run the program?
[21:05] <_stink_> or pavucontrol
[21:05] <_stink_> if you apt-get install pavucontrol
[21:05] <jrmy> i believe pulseaudio is installed
[21:05] <_stink_> it is.
[21:05] <_stink_> for pavucontrol,
[21:05] <_stink_> apt-get install pavucontrol
[21:06] <jrmy> well i'll do that when i finish updating the alsa driver
[21:06] <jrmy> and im only at 48% so its gonna be awhile
[21:24] <jrmy> thats a name ive never seen
[21:24] <jrmy> so anyways has the channel gotten bigger in terms of getting more users?
[21:25] <snap-l> hard to tell
[21:25] <snap-l> some folks come, some folks go
[21:25] <jrmy> hey snap-l
[21:25] <snap-l> howdy.
[21:25] <jrmy> lol liek me for instance
[21:25] <snap-l> exactly. ;)
[21:27] <jrmy> looks like alot of the peopel i met before are still here
[21:28] <jrmy> isnt penguincon happening soon?
[21:28] <jrmy> or however its spelled again
[21:28] <snap-l> Yeah, it's at the end of this month
[21:28] <jrmy> yep.. more then likely not attending
[21:29] <jrmy> definitely low on money currently
[21:30] <jrmy> reminds me.. did we ever have a picnic for our states group?
[21:30] <jrmy> geeknic.. thats what its called
[21:31] <jrmy> lol never did go to my cities weekly get togethers either
[21:44] <slestak> not just bigger in numbers, we've also gained weight and lost hair
[21:45] <snap-l> Speak for yourself
[21:45] <snap-l> and not for me.
[21:45]  * snap-l notices less hair, and more weight
[21:46] <slestak> i didnt lose hair, it just relocated
[21:46] <jrmy> lol
[21:46] <snap-l> Yeah, mine seems to be going south
[21:47] <snap-l> from the top of my head to out my nose and ears.
[21:47] <snap-l> IF the trend continues, I might actually be able to grow that neckbeard I've always wanted.
[21:47] <slestak> someone in my wow guild was bragging about his "hair down to his butt" and I wanted to comment that my butthair is down to my ankles
[21:49] <snap-l> nice. :)
[21:49] <jrmy> lol
[21:49] <slestak> any other WoW ppl in the house?
[21:50] <jrmy> i played it once on a private server
[21:50] <snap-l> I've successfully avoided that timesink by replacing it with other timesinks.
[21:50] <slestak> it is def a timesink
[21:50] <snap-l> Wow, no more snow on the ground
[21:50] <jrmy> my timesink is minecraft
[21:51] <snap-l> That's amazing
[21:51] <snap-l> went from Christmas morning to early spring in a manner of hours.
[21:51] <jrmy> lol yep
[21:52] <snap-l> The hardest part of podcasting: Pacing releases.
[21:52] <snap-l> I've got two episodes for http://openmetalcast.com ready to go
[21:52] <snap-l> and hopefully an interview tomorrow with Cloudkicker
[21:52] <slestak> i was looking into that based on Fabians love for the game on LO
[21:53] <jrmy> oh yeah metal is liked by users of this channel
[21:53] <slestak> add kicked in and i drifted off though.  is minecraft really good?
[21:53] <jrmy> slestak: its rather addicting
[21:54] <jrmy> its still in beta though
[21:54] <jrmy> but cheaper so might as well buy it now
[21:54] <jrmy> also works on mac and linux which is nice
[21:55] <slestak> is it a puzzle game or what is its model?
[21:55] <slestak> empire building?
[21:55] <snap-l> virtual legos, afaict.
[21:55] <jrmy> well i dont know how to explain it
[21:56] <slestak> did you all see there is a new humble indie bundle?
[21:56] <snap-l> yep, bought it day of release
[21:56] <snap-l> Mentioned it at MUG as well
[21:56] <slestak> good games?  i havent gotten it yet
[21:56] <snap-l> I like the Shadowgrounds games.
[21:56] <jrmy> what now?
[21:57] <snap-l> humblebundle.com
[21:58] <snap-l> Trine is a little frustrating for me because I suck at platformer games.
[21:59] <snap-l> I have Super Mario Deficiency.
[21:59] <jrmy> lol
[21:59] <jrmy> not me.. but i found the game boring when i tried a demo on my ps3
[22:00] <snap-l> Well, the other two come highly recommended
[22:03] <jrmy> when i put in a command and it makes the next line blank that means its processing right?
[22:03] <snap-l> or it's waiting for more input
[22:03] <snap-l> ie: from stdin
[22:05] <jrmy> i used the wrong characters.. thats why
[22:05] <jrmy> i thought it was ' and not `