[15:03] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[15:05] <mark76> Afternoon
[15:18] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: installed 32bit yesterday, 64bit today. both alternate and desktop each day, working as far as installs.
[15:18] <charlie-tca> will test maverick to natty upgrade today, mvo said he fixed the bug
[15:19] <MisterJones> i did a meverick to natty upgrade and it worked fine here 64 bit 
[15:20] <charlie-tca> MisterJones: did you check if gnome-panel installed? apt-cache policy gnome-panel
[15:20] <MisterJones> that i did not 
[15:20] <charlie-tca> That's what we are looking for now. upgrades pulling in all of gnome
[15:21] <MisterJones> when i ran the upgrade i didnt see it pull gnome-panel or things of that nature 
[15:22] <charlie-tca> when did you run it?
[15:22] <MisterJones> last wednesday or thursday 
[15:23] <charlie-tca> Unless you had xfce4-indicator-plugin installed in maverick, it pulled in gnome
[15:23] <MisterJones> ok 
[15:28] <mr_pouit> okay, glad to hear
[15:28] <mr_pouit> \o
[15:29] <mr_pouit> I fixed an annoying (security) issue in the latest thunar upload. Now you should be able to copy/move files containing '%' in their name
[15:29] <charlie-tca> Great
[15:29] <charlie-tca> Want anything else tested?
[15:29] <charlie-tca> I want to send the ss
[15:30] <charlie-tca> I want to send the shutdown bug upstream. I saw someone in Arch saying they saw it too with Xfce 4.8
[15:30] <mr_pouit> I'll upload in a few hours a fixed xfce4-power-manager (we forgot to ship one binary that sets the brightness...)
[15:30] <charlie-tca> I saw that. At least we get it before release
[15:31] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: this one looks like a bad interaction between xfce4-session and xserver 1.10
[15:31] <charlie-tca> heh, I am surprised that is all you missed. You been working hard trying to keep 4.8 up
[15:31] <mr_pouit> not easy to reproduce, I think xorg is crashing
[15:31] <charlie-tca> The shutdown to gdm thing?
[15:32] <mr_pouit> yeah
[15:32] <charlie-tca> Okay. That is already reported to xfce, too.
[15:32] <mr_pouit> xfce4-session does something that makes xorg crash
[15:32] <mr_pouit> and so it can't finish its job to shutdown/reboot before the crash
[15:32] <charlie-tca> I can go find that bug again, and add it as upstream report 
[15:33] <charlie-tca> It is being tracked by the release manager, so I want to try and mark it as something being followed up on
[15:33] <mr_pouit> I don't know why apport doesn't ctach anything though
[15:33] <mr_pouit> *catch
[15:34] <charlie-tca> Is it an assert crash, by chance?
[15:34] <charlie-tca> I saw it one time during testing of beta2, I wonder if I try enouyg
[15:34] <charlie-tca> enough times, can I get a backtrace for it manually?
[15:35] <mr_pouit> I think you have to ask xorg to generate a core file when it crashes
[15:35] <mr_pouit> usually by passing "-core" to its command line
[15:35] <charlie-tca> That is probably true. It is not easy to get everything
[15:35] <mr_pouit> but with gdm3, I don't know how to change the command line used to start X
[15:36] <charlie-tca> I will try to dig something up
[15:36] <charlie-tca> Not sure there will be much we can do, but we are at least aware of the problem
[15:37] <mr_pouit> yeah, I think it won't be fixed for the release
[15:37] <mr_pouit> it's the kind of "annoying but not really grave" issues
[15:37] <charlie-tca> I agree
[15:38] <charlie-tca> I just hope to move it off the radar, so we don't get pushed to do something about it
[15:44] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: I think it is https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7442
[15:45] <mr_pouit> +1
[15:46] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[15:46] <mr_pouit> it doesn't seem limited to some hw, as they write about ati, nvidia, etc...
[15:46] <charlie-tca> exactly. I have seen it on intel, ati, and nvidia, along with virtual box
[15:47] <charlie-tca> and the three reports referenced in the last comment all describe the same thing we see
[15:47] <mr_pouit> I haven't been able to reproduce it in virtualbox for several weeks
[15:47] <mr_pouit> bad luck :p
[15:47] <charlie-tca> heh
[15:48] <charlie-tca> such things happen. Like I said, I saw it once in beta2
[15:48] <charlie-tca> out of, maybe, 24 installs
[16:24] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: does translations team do the slideshow? bug 758739
[19:47] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: mvo did get the upgrades fixed. No longer pulling in gnome
[19:47] <charlie-tca> Now I got to reproduce the failure to show upgrade with -d bug, and that is about a 6 hour upgrade