[00:00] <hardcold> I heard that Dashboard was just a copy of a thing in Linux, though
[00:00] <KM0201> nemo: now that is one thing i miss, lacking a few panel icons...
[00:00] <nemo> also, in classic I had everything in a top menu (using menu button instead)
[00:00] <th1> there is exactly 0 chance I'm switching to unity for this release ;)
[00:00] <nemo> and I definitely miss the app list/dropdown - not finding unity way of doing it more convenient yet
[00:00] <gordonjcp> hardcold: I don't really understand Mac OSX either
[00:01] <gordonjcp> Mac OSX looks kind of the same, with the strip of little squares along the bottom
[00:01] <hardcold> With OSX, your apps are all located in the apps folder
[00:01] <nemo> hardcold: well. usually :-p
[00:01] <hardcold> stuff you frequently access is in the dock, if you want
[00:02] <nemo> hardcold: you can put apps anywhere
[00:02] <gordonjcp> yeah, I never really got my head around that
[00:02] <daniel_> hey i have a quick question with libre how would i save my presentation to play on someones windows 7 using powerpoint 2010
[00:02] <hardcold> nemo: yes, you can put apps anywhere BUT Apple's auto-update won't see them if they aren't in the apps folder
[00:03] <hardcold> That's why I created a folder of aliases arranged as I wanted
[00:03] <daniel_> hey i have a quick question with libre how would i save my presentation to play on someones windows 7 using powerpoint 2010
[00:03] <gordonjcp> KM0201: so far most of the problems I've had with Unity are apparently not bugs
[00:03] <gordonjcp> KM0201: and therefore not really worth filing in the bugtracker
[00:04] <nemo> hardcold: well. that's significantly different from how linux handles thigns obviously
[00:04] <hardcold> I like that Unity has a spotlight style search option
[00:04] <nemo> hardcold: where package management is handled system-wide
[00:04] <KM0201> gordonjcp: true, but there will be complaints/ideas about unity also.. and they will hopefully make it a little more "usable"
[00:04] <gordonjcp> KM0201: well, I think they're pretty much stuck on the little squares
[00:04] <gordonjcp> KM0201: so, I won't be using Unity
[00:04] <nemo> hardcold: gnome 3 has a similar search, but I don't care for their interface either
[00:04] <KM0201> gordonjcp: well i'd say thats probably a given...
[00:04] <nemo> hardcold: I think similar searches have been made for gnome 2, but non-standard
[00:05] <gordonjcp> KM0201: I just do not understand the new interface
[00:05] <KM0201> i tried Gnome3 the other day... i didn't like it at all, vrey very slow.... If thats the direction of gnome, I'll be switching to lxde
[00:05] <hardcold> What I liked about Ubuntu 10 was that it was so logical and intuitive
[00:05] <gordonjcp> oh yeah, gnome 3 is just as bad
[00:05] <hardcold> I was extremely impressed when I tried it as a vm in osx
[00:05] <gordonjcp> again, they've gone for a big screen of little squares
[00:06] <hardcold> I didn't try 11.04 before buying this x120e, I was just confident whatever the ubuntu community was up to I'd like
[00:06] <nemo> hardcold: er. 10.04 or 10.10 ?
[00:06] <hardcold> So, I was a bit horrified when I installed 11.04
[00:06] <hardcold> I used 10.04
[00:06] <hardcold> Just for like 30 minutes, enough to poke around and get a feel for it
[00:07] <hardcold> One of the reasons I got this computer was I', afraid of where Apple is headed with 10.7
[00:07] <hardcold> namely the appstore
[00:07] <gordonjcp> KM0201: as I've mentioned before, I have something not totally unlike dyslexia
[00:07] <gordonjcp> KM0201: so I can't really tell the icons apart
[00:07] <KM0201> gordonjcp: understandable...
[00:07] <hardcold> fine for a phone, but if the only way I can get apps is through an apple aproved system on my desktop, well, that's the day I stop using OSX
[00:07] <nemo> hardcold: well. if ubuntu mucks up
[00:07] <nemo> there is always kubuntu
[00:07] <nemo> lubuntu
[00:07] <nemo> xubuntu
[00:08] <nemo> etc :)
[00:08] <gordonjcp> so, it's just a complete bloody mess
[00:08] <gordonjcp> using Unity is like playing an exceptionally frustrating and ugly game of solitaire
[00:08] <hardcold> ah, that's interesting gordonjcp
[00:08] <gordonjcp> I'm guessing when they actually come to release it, they will have fixed the dated-looking appearance
[00:09] <nemo> gordonjcp: you mean in a week?
[00:09] <hardcold> it's feature frozen
[00:09] <hardcold> they are just working under the hood now
[00:09] <gordonjcp> hardcold: oh
[00:09] <gordonjcp> so the "1990s website" look is here to stay?
[00:09] <hardcold> for now
[00:10] <nemo> hardcold: eh. jailbreaking my phone was first thing I did a week or two after getting the iphone1 on opening day :)
[00:10] <nemo> hardcold: and I've kept jailbreaking through to iphone4
[00:10] <nemo> although, she's given up on apple. she was horrified to learn that the ipad had no support for usb flash drives
[00:10] <hardcold> nemo: I have no interested in "jailbreaking" my desktop
[00:10] <gordonjcp> right, nn all
[00:10] <nemo> she plans to get a galaxy tab 10.1
[00:10] <nemo> hardcold: yeah, you were just saying it was fine for a phone. definitely don't agree there :)
[00:11] <nemo> esp since the iphone is basically a mini notebook
[00:11] <hardcold> well, you can get an android
[00:11] <nemo> right. that's what the galaxy tab is
[00:11] <hardcold> if you want a smooth and stable user experience you can get an iphone, if you want porn apps, than android is an option
[00:11] <nemo> ehm. she wants themes.
[00:11] <hardcold> ^_-
[00:12] <nemo> which luckily jailbroken iphone has
[00:12] <nemo> and trust me
[00:12] <hardcold> or that
[00:12] <nemo> I've had plenty of legit iphone apps crash on me
[00:12] <KM0201> hardcold: lol, porn apps?
[00:12] <nemo> hardcold: do you know what was particularly insane?
[00:12] <nemo> hardcold: we submit Hedgewars to apple app store
[00:12] <nemo> and. koda releases a 0.9.15 version using apple's framework. and of course he doesn't test it. bad on him...
[00:13] <nemo> and it crashes on attempt to launch any game.
[00:13] <nemo> 1) this got past apple's "testing"
[00:13] <nemo> 2) once koda discovers it a day or two later, they refused to let him push an update
[00:13] <nemo> because *now* they are getting all picky and insist it has to use stuff that SDL simply didn't support yet
[00:13] <hardcold> well, this is what I am saying
[00:13] <nemo> he spent *3 WEEKS* arguing with apple
[00:13] <hardcold> I don't want that on a desktop
[00:14] <nemo> while users who used the app store version were unable to have a running game
[00:14] <nemo> (unless they got it from our website)
[00:14] <hardcold> I don't know that Apple will do that, but it seems like they are heading that way with Lion
[00:14] <nemo> anyway. we've had our crashers w/ iphone version too
[00:14] <nemo> I don't consider being in the app store any sign of stability by any means
[00:14] <nemo> the only advantage iphone has is consistent hardware
[00:14] <nemo> that's why android port is still stalled
[00:14] <hardcold> you're also using a hacked iphone
[00:15] <nemo> hardcold: um. I'm talking about our testing on *non* hacked iphones
[00:15] <hardcold> okay
[00:15] <hardcold> ^_^
[00:15] <nemo> hardcold: working in the phone's memory limits is a tricky business
[00:15] <nemo> ipad is even worse
[00:15] <nemo> some people had the silly idea that because the ipad is bigger, it should run better than iphone4
[00:15] <hardcold> I quit all my apps on the iPhone
[00:15] <nemo> only of course it has half the memory of iphone.
[00:16] <nemo> half empty space in the case, half the memory
[00:16] <nemo> hardcold: oh. and let's not get started on the insanity that is the iphone contact list
[00:16] <hardcold> you mean iPad 1?
[00:16] <nemo> for an executive who is used to a blackberry, who expects the entire corporate directory to load fine on his phone...
[00:16] <nemo> he might be excused for being surprised that such a thing would kill an iphone
[00:16] <hardcold> we are veering a bit far off of Natty here...
[00:16] <nemo> which tries loading it all into memory
[00:17] <KM0201> hardcold: meh.. not uncommon when nobody is really asking questinos... :)
[00:17] <nemo> hardcold: eh. I was just rebutting the Apple user experience claim :)
[00:17] <hardcold> Okay
[00:17] <nemo> is true for very restricted sets of experience :-p
[00:17] <hardcold> Actually, I've noticed the iPhone is no where near as stable as OSX
[00:17] <Cas07> vlc was working fine on maverick but now i get 'VLC does not support the audio or video format' for most formats, any ideas?
[00:17] <hardcold> which I found odd
[00:17] <hardcold> My iPhone has crashed several times
[00:17] <nemo> memory is very tight on the iphone
[00:17] <KM0201> Cas07: what formats are you trying/
[00:18] <nemo> and it is not very efficient at its use
[00:18] <hardcold> My MacBook has crashed maybe twice in 3 years
[00:18] <Cas07> mp4v, h264 are two
[00:18] <hardcold> but my iphone has crashed something like 5 times in the past 5 months
[00:18] <Cas07> KM0201: these same vids played fine before the upgrade
[00:19] <KM0201> Cas07: upgrade...? ::shutters:::
[00:19] <nemo> hardcold: of the 256MiB in the ipad1/iphone3, the app can use less than 100MiB - the rest is used by system and gfx
[00:19] <KM0201> Cas07: some folks have had some weird problems w/ Upgrades... I've had no probs w/ a clean install, and have played plenty of mp4's, h264, etc.
[00:19] <nemo> oh well. time to go home :)
[00:19] <hardcold> nemo: have a nice day :)
[00:19] <KM0201> later hardcold
[00:20] <KM0201> woops, bye nemo
[00:20] <hardcold> heh
[00:20] <Cas07> KM0201: lol ok, yer i had a wonderful one of python2.7 PPA preventing libavsound2 updating
[00:21] <Cas07> that affected huge swaths of my apps
[00:21] <KM0201> yeah.
[00:21] <Cas07> ill try kicking the codecs then
[00:25] <vacho> is ubuntu 11.04 in good shape for the 28th?
[00:26] <lucas-arg> when is language packages gonna be ready ?
[00:26] <lucas-arg> i still have some apps in english
[00:27] <KM0201> vacho: so far so good (for me).. i imagine the answer to this will vary w/ each person you ask.
[00:28] <KevinDivide> still no solution to the trackpad... darn youuuuu Natty!!
[00:30] <hardcold> wow, these applets are really cool
[00:30] <KevinDivide> which ones?
[00:30] <hardcold> I'm just playing with the classic mode
[00:30] <KevinDivide> ah, nice.
[00:31] <KM0201> hardcold: the panel applets?
[00:31] <hardcold> km0201: ja
[00:31] <KevinDivide> Call my crazy but I must be one of the few who likes unity... of course, with some tweaking
[00:31]  * KM0201 sigh... misses system monitor and the 'crazy eyes' applet.. :)
[00:31] <hardcold> I like things about bothe
[00:32] <KM0201> hardcold: yeah.. i think its just gonna take time for a lot of the popular panel applets, to get indicator applets, so they can be installed on unity.
[00:32] <hardcold> I like the search function in Unity
[00:32] <KevinDivide> do you use google desktop at all?
[00:32] <hardcold> me?
[00:32] <KevinDivide> yes, sorry
[00:33] <hardcold> I use OSX
[00:33] <hardcold> so, no
[00:34] <hardcold> Okay, I have been using classic no effects for a couple hours and it has not crashed yet
[00:34] <hardcold> I'm starting to think I'm going to stick with this for some time
[00:34] <KevinDivide> I meant google desktop.. you can add it to ubuntu to have a (IMO) better file searcher.. for launching apps, unity's searcher is great but for file hunting
[00:34] <KevinDivide> it's not quite there
[00:35] <hardcold> well, I didn't get this machine/Ubuntu for serious computing, it was just for something small, light, cheap, and fun
[00:36] <hardcold> so, I don't expect to be searching for many files ^-^
[00:36] <KevinDivide> right on :)
[00:36] <hardcold> From what I have seen with Unity, it works well
[00:36] <hardcold> But, like I said, I don't have much on this
[00:37] <hardcold> I want to learn more about the *nix command line, increase my understanding of these systems, and give myself more options in the future
[00:38] <hardcold> what I am learning here applies to other linux distributions, OSX, etc
[00:40] <vacho> KM0201, ok, thanks!
[00:40] <KM0201> vacho: ?..
[00:40] <KM0201> oh i see now.. no problem..
[00:43] <Cas07> KM0201: had to downgrade as per notes in the maverick vlc PPA https://launchpad.net/~n-muench/+archive/vlc
[00:43] <Cas07> works perfectly now!
[00:43] <KM0201> Cas07: ic
[00:46] <Cas07> now i can go back to grumbling about unity dualview support
[00:46] <KM0201> Cas07: is it messed up?... i've not put 11.04 on my desktop yet.. (dual displays)
[00:48] <Cas07> well its just annoying things mainly
[00:48] <Cas07> the animations dont track to the laucher
[00:49] <Cas07> its sits on the left of primary screen with a second screen to left, if that makes sense :)
[00:49] <jiohdi> gnome3 does not work for NN?
[00:50] <Cas07> also the panel is at the top of both screen
[00:50] <KM0201> hmm
[00:50] <KM0201> Cas07: sounds like i'll have to use gnome-classic on the pc.
[00:51] <arand> !gnome3 | jiohdi
[00:51] <Cas07> KM0201: yer i can live with it but not as good as maverick setup
[00:51] <KM0201> Cas07: well, and i've said this several times.. Unity isnt near perfect, and its not righ tto expect it to me.
[00:52] <KM0201> there's gonna be bugs... i don't think we're gonna see a really good, stable unity, till 11.10, maybe even 12.04
[00:52] <Cas07> although im more annoyed about the various X issues that affect dualview with different screen sizes
[00:52] <Cas07> still not fixes after many years
[00:53] <Cas07> yer thats my inclination too
[01:03] <jon4248> sooo...quite here
[01:03] <Cas07> quite now
[01:05] <Scowboy> the 11.04 beta does not appear on my update manager, what is the problem?
[01:05] <jon4248> lol *quiet
[01:05] <Cas07> update-manager -d
[01:05] <jiohdi> scowboy in terminal:   update-manager -d
[01:05] <Cas07> Scowboy:
[01:05] <Scowboy> tried that, not working. but thanks anyway
[01:05] <jon4248> what does the -d do exactly?
[01:05] <jiohdi> sudo has to be there
[01:05] <jiohdi> sorry
[01:06] <jiohdi> scowboy in terminal:   sudo update-manager -d
[01:06] <jiohdi> or maybe not
[01:06] <Cas07> jiohdi: it would just ask for password anyway
[01:06] <jiohdi> jon4248, should give you the ability to upgrade to the next distro
[01:07] <arand> jiohdi: Not for update manager, but for do-release-upgrade sudo is needed.
[01:07] <jon4248> oh, i c
[01:09] <arand> jiohdi: -d means search for development versions to upgrade to.
[01:09] <jiohdi> my brain is not prone for accuracy
[01:10] <jiohdi> just pragmatism
[01:10] <arand> Oh, was meant for jon4248, actually..
[01:11] <jon4248> ohh okay, soo would it work to upgrade beta 2 to final once its out?
[01:11] <jon4248> or would that be a normal update?
[01:11] <arand> jon4248: De versions of ubuntu are rollong releses
[01:11] <arand> *Dev
[01:12] <jiohdi> jon4248, once you are on the upgrade path you will go all the way to the full version
[01:12] <arand> !latest
[01:12] <arand> !final
[01:12] <arand> I should possibly go to bed soon...
[01:14] <jon4248> arand, jiohdi  ahh okay...roll on i shall
[01:16] <jon4248> maybe someone can answer this for me; ..Ever notice when you take an icon from the launcher and drag it off your hard drive access goes crazy...why is this?
[01:20] <jon4248> i guess not
[01:31] <gsp2009> when I run update-manager -d, it does not give me the option to update to 11.04. Anyone know how to fix this?
[01:34] <KM0201> gsp2009: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade maybe?..
[01:34] <ActionParsnip> Hi all. How can a guy change GTK theme in Gnome3 please
[01:34] <KM0201> !upgrade
[01:35] <rww> KM0201: dist-upgrade isn't a supported method of changing Ubuntu versions.
[01:36] <KM0201> oh yeah?.. i didn't know that, so whats upgrade -d do
[01:36] <KM0201> ?
[01:37] <gsp2009> KM0201, thanks.. no joy. :(
[01:37] <KM0201> gsp2009: follow the instructions in !upgrade, i'm sure that will do it.
[01:40] <gsp2009> KM0201, did all of that. Still nothing. The option to upgrade to 11.04 does not appear as expected.
[01:41] <KM0201> gsp2009: i dunno, i never upgrade, just clean install..
[01:42] <gsp2009> KM0201, yeah. I am now remembering why I spent all that time back with 9.04 to make /home a separate partition.
[01:42] <KM0201> lol
[01:42] <gsp2009> KM0201, I am assuming you are using 11.04 now?
[01:42] <KM0201> gsp2009: did you try sudo do-release-upgrade ?
[01:42] <KM0201> gsp2009: of course
[01:42] <gsp2009> and? without any bias is it worth the upgrade?
[01:43] <KM0201> IMO.. yes.. i've had zero problems with it after the first round of updates.
[01:43] <gsp2009> nice. Anything stand out as particularly noticeable? ie: performance, etc.
[01:44] <KM0201> gsp2009: but.. if you're not prepared to deal w/ potential problems, i wouldn't
[01:44] <gsp2009> $do-release upgrade.... No new release found
[01:44] <KM0201> gsp2009: ah, unity is nice, but a lot of people don't like it... its taken me some time to get used to.. and it is far from perfect
[01:44] <KM0201> however, i didn't expecet unity to be perfect, however, it is better than i thought it would be (thankfully though, you still ahve gnome-classic to fall back on)
[01:45] <gsp2009> the joy for me lately, is that I have an inordinate amount of time on my hands lately. So I welcome the challenge. ;)
[01:45] <KM0201> ic
[01:45] <gsp2009> waiting 10 days may kill me with boredom.
[01:46] <rww> "sudo do-release-upgrade -d" is not "do-release upgrade" ;P
[01:46] <gsp2009> yeah... I sudo'ed... just to lazy to type it.
[01:46] <KM0201> rww: i was just going off the upgrade page.
[01:46] <gsp2009> but you made me do it anyway...
[01:46] <gsp2009> :P
[01:46] <rww> KM0201: The upgrade process is different for development releases, hence the -d
[01:47] <rww> having sudo do-release-upgrade offer development releases would end... badly.
[01:47] <KM0201> rww: oh ok.. like i said, i never upgrade.. i'm a glutton for punishment an dalways clean install... and i don't even have a separate /home
[01:47] <KM0201> lol
[01:47] <gsp2009> I have tried just about everything.. :( could have d/l'd,  burned and installed fresh by now...
[01:48] <gsp2009> which, I just may start right about.... now.
[01:48] <zarzar> unity is pretty sweet!
[01:48] <hardcold_> I'm trying to figure out why my computer crashes so much. I opened the system testing thing, but when I do that, it says there was a serious kernal issue I should report, before even starting a test. And then pops up over and over.
[01:48] <Pilif12p> Can I downgrade?
[01:48] <rww> the GNOME 3 PPA did not horribly break my system. I am disappointed.
[01:48] <rww> !downgrade | Pilif12p
[01:48] <Pilif12p> From 11.04 to 10.10?
[01:48] <Pilif12p> :|
[01:57] <jiohdi> down grade = reinstall
[01:59] <Pilif12p> Things crash every time I boot, then apport crashes. Firefox doesn't open links, but it opens a new window despite being the default browser, windows randomly rearrange themselves, and i really don't think that this is ready for beta yet..
[01:59] <hardcold_> Is there anyone running 11.04 b2 and experiencing a stable system?
[01:59] <cbilljones> how would i switch to unity 2d? unity2d --replace?
[01:59] <rww> hardcold_: yes
[02:00] <KM0201> cbilljones: i don't think unity2d is officially included yet... yet..
[02:00] <taglass> cbilljones, Install Unity2d from the repos, logout, and slect unity2d sessionj from gdm
[02:00] <KM0201> oh it is?
[02:00] <KM0201> i didn't think it was
[02:00] <hardcold_> If my machine lasts 2 hours it's unusual
[02:00] <Pilif12p> Oh, Java freezes it almost every time I start Minecraft.
[02:00] <cbilljones> taglass im looking for a way without loging out, want to switch when using vnc connection
[02:01] <rww> hardcold_: my machine stays on 24/7 and is fine.
[02:01] <taglass> I haven't experienced any stability issues other than compiz crashing before beta2 came out.
[02:01] <hardcold_> rww: hopefully that wil be the case for newer hardware in that not too distant future
[02:05] <hardcold_> I have an x120e e350
[02:05] <hardcold_> crashes a lot
[02:06] <hardcold_> the music players seem to be a part of it
[02:06] <cbilljones> So unity-2d works good if i logout, is there a way to replace from termianl?
[02:06] <hardcold_> flash is part of it
[02:37] <cbilljones> i used disable_xdamage that seems to spped up my vnc connection alot
[02:43] <Pilif12p> Can someone explain why windows rearrange themselves, and I can't move them in the bottom bar?
[02:44] <cbilljones> there is a bottem bar? :|
[02:44] <Pilif12p> on gnome
[02:44] <Pilif12p> where all of the windows are
[02:45] <cbilljones> o, im using unity, havnt used gnome on 11.04
[02:51] <KM0201> whats 12.04 gonna be called?
[02:51] <KM0201> perky parakeet?
[02:51] <no--nick> now kill me ! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_X_Window_System_desktop_environments#Desktop_comparison_information
[02:51] <no--nick> i don't like gnome3 and neither KDE
[02:51] <no--nick> what should i go with xffce or LXDE ?
[02:52] <KM0201> no--nick: i like them both.
[02:52] <hardcold> Proud Piranha
[02:52] <Omega> You don't like unity either?
[02:52] <hardcold> Private Panda
[02:53] <no--nick> nop its over-simplified.
[02:53] <KM0201> proud piranha, thats a good one
[02:53]  * KM0201 likes unity
[02:53] <no--nick> KM0201 lucky you !
[02:53] <no--nick> cause its not about stuff its about the way you think about it ! then they are good for you
[02:53] <Omega> no--nick: From my experience, LDFE and XFCE are even simpler.
[02:53] <Omega> LXDE*
[02:54] <KM0201> Omega: i was just gonna say that
[02:54] <taglass> KDE probably has the most knobs to turn if that's your thing.
[02:55] <hardcold> I think panda should be used
[02:55] <hardcold> it would go over well in China
[02:56] <no--nick> any clue on which desktop it is http://cdn.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/23.jpg
[02:56] <hardcold> but they probably have  a panda OS and it would infringe
[02:56] <taglass> China has a national Linux distribution already.  Rad Flag
[02:56] <taglass> err Red
[02:57] <Omega> It's not their national GNU/Linux distribution, it is developed by Red Flag Software.
[02:58] <hardcold> Their banking requires ActiveX and some wierd stuff on your machine
[02:58] <hardcold> they say it's in the name of security
[02:58] <taglass> heh It's developed by redhat and they grind the serial numbers off of it :)
[02:58] <hardcold> I wonder how people running the national brand of linux access their bank accounts?
[02:58] <Omega> no--nick: If you want your desktop to look like that follow this guide: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/follow-this-customization-guide-for-a-slick-ubuntu-desktop/
[02:59] <hardcold> My guess is they will go with Pika, km0201
[02:59] <no--nick> Omega: Wow man ! did you use tineye or something ?
[03:00] <KM0201> hardcold: pika
[03:00] <KM0201> ?
[03:00] <KM0201> oh, Pika.. gotcha.
[03:00] <KM0201> for P
[03:01] <Omega> no--nick: Nope, photographic memory :)
[03:01] <Omega> I recalled what the title was when I saw the picture.
[03:02] <hardcold> km0201 they seem averse to common things, so I assume things like Penguin are out.  Maybe Pipistrelle or something else hard to spell most people will be unfamiliar with.
[03:02] <KM0201> hardcold: i see what you're saying
[03:03] <no--nick> omega: it a reverse search engine ?
[03:03] <Omega> no--nick: I used my brain :P No image search engines :)
[03:03] <no--nick> hahah Nice nice,omega
[03:04] <no--nick> lolz I though photographic-memoirs is a software or something
[03:06] <hardcold> when 11.04 comes out, should I just update, or should I do a clean install?
[03:07] <hardcold> 11.04 will just be what I am using now with some new packages?
[03:07] <rww> !final
[03:08] <hardcold> okay
[03:08] <hardcold> I've just been using the update program
[03:08] <hardcold> does the terminal command do anything that doesn't, ubottu?
[03:08] <rww> no
[03:09] <hardcold> oh, I see
[03:09] <hardcold> !final
[03:09] <hardcold> I see what you did ther e
[03:10] <hardcold> && is separating commands?
[03:19] <hardcold> why is compiling applications not advised?
[03:19] <KM0201> hardcold: google "dependency hell"
[03:19] <KM0201> :)
[03:19] <hardcold> okay
[03:20] <kurt_> I just upgraded to natty, and now I can't boot at all
[03:20] <kurt_> how would I obtain the information necessary to submit a bug report?
[03:20] <KM0201> hardcold: basically, you track down a dependency for a program, then that dependency requires something, so you track it down.. then that dependency requires something
[03:20] <KM0201> !bugs | kurt_
[03:20] <kurt_> yes I'm aware of how to file bugs, and do so quite often
[03:21] <kurt_> but I can't obtain logs
[03:21] <kurt_> since I can't boot
[03:21] <cbilljones> compiling is fun, if your mildly insane like me
[03:21] <KM0201> kurt_: oh, that i have no idea.
[03:22] <KM0201> cbilljones: well, i'm not mildly insane.. :)
[03:22] <kurt_> in particular, the only error message I obtain is "[Firmware Bug]: ACPI: NO _BQC method, cannot determine initial brightness"
[03:23] <hardcold> DLL hell - A form of dependency hell occurring on Microsoft Windows.
[03:23] <hardcold> :)
[03:23] <__mikem> hardcold, regretably, dependancy hell in the general sense is just as big a problem on linux :P
[03:23] <KM0201> lol
[03:24] <KM0201> if you use the package manager, you'll be fine
[03:24] <KM0201> __mikem: long time no see
[03:24] <__mikem> you're going to have to refresh my memory :(
[03:25] <kurt_> anyway, all solutions I can find involving compiling the kernel again...which isn't a very sustainable solution in ubuntu :-/
[03:25] <taglass> _mikem, There was that time with a .lot of booze, a corpse, and a shovel.  Remember now?
[03:25] <__mikem> O_o
[03:25] <taglass> opps that was _miken  Disregqard that :)
[03:25] <hardcold> km0201, there is only one program I expect to be compiling
[03:25] <KM0201> hardcold: and that is?
[03:26] <hardcold> km0201: alephone
[03:26] <hardcold> I have it running fine
[03:26] <KM0201> i have no idea what that is
[03:27] <hardcold> http://marathon.sourceforge.net/
[03:27] <hardcold> km0201
[03:27] <hardcold> this runs fine for me now
[03:27] <hardcold> in the future, if I experience dependency hell, can I not recompile it?
[03:29] <KM0201> hardcold: as long as you can seek out those dependencies... thats the biggest problem, you'll google till your eyes bleed looking for said dependencies.
[03:30] <hardcold> how do I remove this program?
[03:30] <__mikem> Parallels Tools doesn't compile on Ubuntu 11.04 and virtualbox doesn't run it reliably so I am stuck on 10.10 for the time being
[03:31] <hardcold> the last release was 4/24/2010 but they have a beta released 4/17/2011, so I suspect a new version is around the corner
[03:31] <hardcold> km0201
[03:32] <hardcold> km0201: when this comes out, do I remove what I have, or just compile the new version?
[03:32] <taglass> you can usually just compile and install over the old one
[03:32] <hardcold> taglass: thank you
[03:33] <KM0201> yup.
[03:33] <taglass> if you still have the source tree from your initial install, there might be a make uninstall target though
[03:33] <KM0201> hardcold: there's also a way, to make the package a .deb file, so you can just install it w/ dpkg.. i think its called checkinstall
[03:33] <KM0201> !checkinstall
[03:34] <hardcold> km0201: why is it no provided as a .deb to begin with?
[03:34] <KM0201> hardcold: no that i can't answer... ask the developer of the software, who chose only to provide the source code
[03:34] <taglass> the game dat files are non-free aren't they?
[03:36] <hardcold> I don't know the license Bungie uses for them.
[03:36] <hardcold> but that wouldn't effect creating a .deb for AlephOne, would it?
[03:36] <hardcold> I mean, they have a binary for OSX and Windows
[03:37] <hardcold> I'll ask the developer next time he's online
[03:37] <hardcold> he'll be glad to know someone is trying the linux version
[03:37] <taglass> Oh they could provide one, but if the game data files are non-free that could explain why there's not a package in the repositories.
[03:38] <hardcold> I'm not sure what you mean by free
[03:38] <hardcold> they are free
[03:38] <hardcold> you mean a specific license?
[03:38] <taglass> the levels and artwork and stuff?
[03:38] <taglass> you can download them free of charge?
[03:38] <hardcold> yes, of course
[03:38] <hardcold> they are free
[03:39] <hardcold> on that page, you can get them there
[03:39] <hardcold> AlephOne is used for all three games
[03:39] <hardcold> so, you get AlephOne and the scenarios you want
[03:39] <taglass> ahh it might be worth trying to get an official package made then.
[03:39] <hardcold> if you want to do netplay, use Marathon Infinity
[03:40] <hardcold> If you want to do solo play (what the first two were designed for) then there is massive debate as to which is better
[03:40] <hardcold> well, debate between 1 and 2
[03:40] <taglass> I might try that later.  Thanks for the site.  I actually played Marathon when it came out lol.
[03:40] <hardcold> no one likes 3
[03:41] <hardcold> Well, there is a decent online community
[03:41] <hardcold> I am the #1 host, though
[03:41] <hardcold> So, if I am doing this, then, less games are being played
[03:41] <hardcold> :)
[03:41] <hardcold> speaking of which, I should probably go host some games
[03:41] <hardcold> ciao
[03:44] <KM0201> i was just reading that ubuntu 11.10 will not have gnome-classic, and instead will ahve unity-2d...
[03:44] <KM0201> good by gnome, we hardly knew thee
[03:44] <KM0201> :(
[03:46] <__mikem> KM0201 What do you think of gnome3?
[03:47] <KM0201> __mikem: i hate it... even more than KDE.
[03:47] <KM0201> i tried it the other day, and it was a mess
[03:47] <__mikem> :(
[03:47] <__mikem> KM0201 Um, I like it
[03:47] <KM0201> if thats really the direction gnome is going, .. i'll be switching go lxde or xfce.. or sticking w/ unity..
[03:47] <__mikem> I like unity as well
[03:48] <KM0201> i didn't at first, but it is growing on me
[03:48] <knightautwell> whats gnome3?
[03:48] <__mikem> its awesome :)
[03:48] <knightautwell> oh its unity?
[03:49] <knightautwell> hey how can i export bookmarks in firefox
[03:50] <__mikem> knightautwell no gnome3 is different from unity
[03:50] <hellslinger> how do I make unity always show the menubar like mac os?
[03:50] <trism> knightautwell: Bookmarks/Show All Bookmarks, then Import and Backup/Backup...
[03:51] <rww> I like GNOME 3.
[03:51] <__mikem> rww++
[03:51] <knightautwell> hey how can i export bookmarks in firefox 4?
[03:51] <rww> __mikem: don't do that, the universe will collapse in confusion
[03:51] <knightautwell> ok lol
[03:51] <__mikem> rww you know what my favorite feature of gnome3 is?
[03:51] <__mikem> rww they FINALLY added the smooth rounding on the rounded corners like i have been fussing about
[03:51] <knightautwell> is gnome3 good or kde better
[03:51] <__mikem> gnome3 is way better than kde
[03:51] <hellslinger> knightautwell, "show all bookmarks" in bookmark menu
[03:52] <knightautwell> how so?
[03:52] <hellslinger> knightautwell, then do "Backup" from "Import and Backup"
[03:52] <__mikem> knightautwell better design
[03:52] <__mikem> knightautwell less resource intensive
[03:52] <__mikem> pretier
[03:52] <knightautwell> how do i update it in ubuntu 10.10?
[03:53] <__mikem> as far as I can tell you can't :(
[03:53] <knightautwell> like get gnome3
[03:53] <__mikem> I tried earlier
[03:53] <knightautwell> only 11.04?
[03:53] <rww> There is no GNOME 3 packaging for 10.10.
[03:53] <rww> correct.
[03:53] <__mikem> rww well there is a gnome 3 package for 10.10 but its a very old beta build that doesn't even resemble the final product
[03:54] <knightautwell> ok lol well im going back to 10.10 for now until the actual release of natty.
[03:54] <rww> __mikem: GNOME 3 != GNOME Shell
[03:54] <__mikem> rww ???
[03:54] <rww> __mikem: "GNOME 3" and "GNOME Shell" do not mean the same thing.
[03:55] <__mikem> rww oh
[03:55] <KM0201> knightautwell: what probs are you having w/ 11.04?
[03:56] <__mikem> KM0201 my problem with 11.04 is that in virtualbox everything is unstable and crashes all the time and in parallels, it runs a lot smoother but parallels tools don't compile
[03:57] <knightautwell> still cant get the dhcp to work and hoping with a clean install it will fix it and im going to wipe my whole drive to just get ubuntu. currently i am dual booting win 7 and ubuntu
[03:57] <KM0201> __mikem: yeah, 11.04 doesn't lend itself well to being a guest OS, because of the default 3d... once unity 2D is implemented, this shouldn't be a problem.
[03:57] <rww> !info unity-2d
[03:57] <KM0201> knightautwell: how long have you been using ubuntu?
[03:57] <rww> Maybe I should try it next.
[03:57] <__mikem> KM0201 parallels actually fully supports 3d quite well. Ubuntu 10.10 flys like greese lightning with 3d enabled
[03:57] <knightautwell> off and on a few years not really fluent in it tho lol
[03:58] <KM0201> lol, grease lightening
[03:58] <KM0201> i wouldn't recommend just nuking windows.. leave yourself a fall back.. or the first problem you run into, you're just gonna nuk eubuntu and reinstall windows.
[03:58] <julio> Hello, I recently have had sound issues. No sound, and the volume control is gone. I upgraded to 110.4 from 10.10
[03:58] <KM0201> dualbooting isn't that difficult...
[03:59]  * __mikem wonders why the mini linux distro gnome created for the sole purpose of demonstrating gnome3 is takes longer to boot than the entire ubuntu distro
[03:59]  * KM0201 thinks its poor programming.
[04:00]  * rww thinks it's because Ubuntu did lots of work on boot time optimization and GNOME didn't
[04:00] <knightautwell> lol i have multiple windows discs it isnt a problem and i want to use ubuntu for the simple fact with what i do all the time its easier with ubuntu i like being able to customise what i want to
[04:01] <julio> Has anyone else had recent sound issues?
[04:02] <__mikem> well the gnome3 demo cd finally booted and gnome 3 is just as beautiful as all those youtube videos on their website promised it would be
[04:02] <KM0201> hmm
[04:03] <__mikem> KM0201 what about gnome3 didn't you like?
[04:03] <KM0201> __mikem: it just seemed slow.
[04:03] <KM0201> but i installed it from a PPA
[04:04] <__mikem> KM0201 okay, well there's your problem
[04:04] <KM0201> yeah
[04:04] <KM0201> where'd you download this live cd?.. and can it go on a usb
[04:04] <__mikem> http://gnome3.org/tryit.html <-- try the SuSE based one
[04:04] <Omega> Could you guys stop the GNOME bashing in here?
[04:05] <KM0201> Omega: nobody is bashing gnome... take a xannex
[04:05] <__mikem> Omega I am actually gnome-praising
[04:05] <Omega> The amount of speculation that goes on in here is rediculous.
[04:05] <Omega> KM0201 thinks its poor programming.
[04:05] <__mikem> Omega I am trying to convince KM0201 that gnome3 is actually good
[04:05] <KM0201> Omega: thats opinion, thats not bashing,.
[04:05] <Omega> What? Do you hear yourself?
[04:05] <KM0201> __mikem: which one did you try, fedora or open suse (or i imagine they're the same)
[04:05] <rww> GNOME 3 was slower for me on Fedora rawhide than from the Ubuntu PPA. Dunno why.
[04:06] <__mikem> KM0201 the opensuse one. The fedora based one is still alpha from what I understand
[04:06] <KM0201> rww: it caused me tons of problems... it was as bad as kde4
[04:06] <rww> Omega: considering that I'm using GNOME Shell right now and __mikem is saying good things about GNOME 3, what are you on about.
[04:06] <rww> KM0201: I believe I've mentioned my opinions on KDE4 O:)
[04:06] <KM0201> :)
[04:06] <__mikem> rww and everybody here knows its not easy to get my praise. :)
[04:06] <Omega> rww: Uh, I just quoted KM0201 saying that they program poorly.
[04:06] <rww> Omega: How is that bashing?
[04:07] <__mikem> KM0201 pro-tip, don't run it in a VM
[04:07] <Omega> rww: And you going on about how GNOME doesn't do boot optimization.
[04:07]  * rww facepalms
[04:07] <Omega> rww: Do you know what bashing is?
[04:07] <KM0201> Omega: maybe "poor design" is a better way of putting it.. but it was the PPA.. so maybe it will be better. bettat final release
[04:07] <rww> Omega: Ubuntu spent significant amounts of time making Ubuntu boot quickly. GNOME has not. Considering that GNOME is not in the habit of making distributions, this is entirely reasonable.
[04:07] <rww> Omega: Stop looking for things to get mad about and take a chill pill.
[04:08] <__mikem> rww I've seen ubuntu boot up on a netbook in a matter of a few seconds
[04:08] <Omega> rww: GNOME isn't a distribution.
[04:08] <Omega> Do you not understand that?
[04:08] <__mikem> Omega rww is an op
[04:08] <Omega> And Ubuntu is a GNOME distribution.
[04:08] <__mikem> so, I would imagine he does
[04:08] <rww> __mikem: That's irrelevant.
[04:08] <Omega> What?
[04:08] <__mikem> oh okay :)
[04:08] <rww> Omega: Thank you for restating part of my point.
[04:08] <KM0201> hmm
[04:09] <Omega> Yes, it's completely irrelevant, might doesn't make right.
[04:09] <__mikem> Omega just for the record. Yes gnome is not a distribution. But on gnome3.org they created a distro based on opensuse whose sole purpose is to boot into a gnome3 environment for the purposes of demoing it
[04:09]  * rww yawns, switches channels to one with less silly in it right now
[04:10] <KM0201> rww: nooooo come back
[04:10] <__mikem> lol @ rww
[04:10] <__mikem> KM0201 did you see what i said about not running that image in a vm?
[04:11] <Omega> Exactly, it's based on OpenSuSe. So, don't you think it's because OpenSuSe didn't optimize their boot?
[04:11] <KM0201> yeah.
[04:11] <KM0201> no big deal, i'm gonna put it on a usb and try it.
[04:11] <Omega> But you guys spin it into something against the GNOME project.
[04:11]  * KM0201 sighs.... hates using ignore, but it might become necessary
[04:11] <__mikem> Omega what part don't you understand about "I" "Like" "Gnome" "3"
[04:12] <Omega> __mikem: When did I direct anything I said towards you?
[04:12] <__mikem> Omega you said "you guys spin it into ..."
[04:12] <KM0201> __mikem: he's butt hurt over my comment apprently, i don't know why he cjust can't relax
[04:12] <Omega> Yes, I did.
[04:12] <__mikem> oh
[04:12] <__mikem> ok
[04:12] <Omega> I was responding to rww, for the record.
[04:12] <Omega> !language KM0201
[04:12] <__mikem> um
[04:13] <Omega> No factoids?
[04:13] <__mikem> KM0201 didn't say anything !language worthy
[04:13] <KM0201> Omega: no, you just don't know how to use it.
[04:13] <rww> Omega: The syntax is !factoid | nick
[04:13] <KM0201> ;)
[04:13] <Omega> !language | KM0201
[04:13] <Omega> Personal attacks are not helpful.
[04:13] <KM0201> Omega: i've been friendly and polite... you're the one bent out of shape
[04:13] <Omega> right.
[04:13] <Omega> Calling me butthurt is friendly and polite?
[04:14]  * __mikem doesn't see this conversation ending well
[04:14] <Omega> Again, "bent out of shape"?
[04:14] <rww> Yes, I think it's time that we all end it.
[04:14] <KM0201> then why are you so wired up about me saying gnome3 is poorly programmed? are you one of the designers/progammers?
[04:14] <KM0201> i dunno, i just didn't see a big deal in that comment
[04:14] <Omega> KM0201: Why are you keeping this up?
[04:14] <rww> KM0201: sssshhhhhhhh
[04:14] <Omega> didn't you hear rww?
[04:14] <KM0201> Omega: i was typing it when he said to drop it...
[04:15] <KM0201> think ignore is gonna get a workout
[04:15] <bin_bash> In this new version of failfox is there a way to get the tabs below the url bar?
[04:15] <Omega> KM0201: Really, can you drop this now?
[04:15] <KM0201> lol
[04:15] <__mikem> the new version of firefox looks like google chrome and IE had a son
[04:15] <rww> Omega, KM0201: stop talking to each other before I just quiet both of you for 10 minutes ;P
[04:15] <bin_bash> Yeah. It looks like gay and aids met and had a baby
[04:15] <Omega> rww: I'm trying to.
[04:15] <KM0201> rww: i've already put him on ignore
[04:15] <rww> bin_bash: That's... not an appropriate metaphor.
[04:15] <__mikem> bin_bash I don't think you are allowed to say that
[04:15] <bin_bash> Oh. Sorry.
[04:16] <__mikem> that was funny though
[04:16] <rww> bin_bash: Anyway, this isn't particularly helpful, but about:config probably has something.
[04:16] <bin_bash> Okay. Well it looks ridiculous how can I fix it
[04:16]  * rww goes to look
[04:16] <KM0201> bin_bash: right click the "open area" near the tabs bar, and choose "tabs on top"
[04:16] <rww> aha, I overthink things again :)
[04:16] <bin_bash> KM0201: awesome
[04:17] <bin_bash> wtf is this spanish crap.
[04:17] <KM0201> rww: it took me a while to find it...lol
[04:17] <bin_bash> galeria de aplicacions
[04:17] <bin_bash> wtf why doesn't it just say "applications"
[04:17] <rww> bin_bash: What are you looking at?
[04:17] <bin_bash> when i right click the grey space on failfox
[04:18] <rww> I don't see anything related to applications there O_O
[04:18] <bin_bash> hold on i'll ss it
[04:18] <KM0201> bin_bash: you can also click view-toolbars.. and put a check next to "tab bars on top"
[04:18] <seminatty> sup you guys, installing the buntu :P
[04:19] <seminatty> puttin it on a partition for testing
[04:19] <Omega> It might be an extension causing that.
[04:19] <__mikem> seminatty you installing "the brown distro"
[04:19] <bin_bash> oh apparently it was the "conduit engine" wtf is a conduit engine
[04:20] <bin_bash> http://imgur.com/Oh4kX
[04:20] <__mikem> can we still call ubuntu 'the brown distro"
[04:20] <__mikem> is it still technically brown?
[04:20] <seminatty> i hope so
[04:20] <rww> no
[04:20] <seminatty> can there be a "brown" theme?
[04:20] <KM0201> it went from brown, to a more purple, i thin
[04:20] <bin_bash> __mikem: no now it's purple. So we have to call it the fabulous distro
[04:21] <__mikem> yay, wobbly windows works in Parallels Desktop
[04:21] <Omega> bin_bash: Go to Tools>Add Ons to disable that.
[04:21] <bin_bash> firefox is too.... round
[04:22] <bin_bash> I want it to be more square.
[04:22] <Omega> Use a different theme.
[04:22] <seminatty> a commonn problem
[04:22] <bin_bash> >implying firefox themes
[04:22] <bin_bash> lolsilly
[04:23] <Omega> Do you want help or not?
[04:23] <seminatty> i have a question for you natty eggsperts
[04:24] <bin_bash> I'm just feeling like whining about how this new version of firefox is not as aesthetically pleasing as the previous ones, and how I wish I had my old computer back.
[04:24] <seminatty> Can the gnome-clock in natty tell you the weather like maverick? if you add something maybe?
[04:24] <bin_bash> Also I'm slightly displeased with natty.
[04:24] <KM0201> bin_bash: have you considered trying Chrome?
[04:24] <bin_bash> KM0201: I refuse to use chrome because google.
[04:24] <Omega> bin_bash: you can continue using the old one.
[04:24] <KM0201> bin_bash: opera?
[04:24] <bin_bash> Opera might be acceptable except I have a lot of addons like noscript and taco and downloadhelper
[04:25] <__mikem> bin_bash how about links
[04:25] <KM0201> bin_bash: yeah, that could be an issue.
[04:25] <bin_bash> I'll stick with failfox for nao
[04:25] <Omega> seminatty: Install the weather indicator.
[04:25] <KM0201> bin_bash: why ar eyou displeaed w/ natty?
[04:25] <seminatty> sweet
[04:25] <KM0201> !weather
[04:25] <KM0201> oops
[04:25] <__mikem> bin_bash you should try links. its the best browser ever
[04:26] <KM0201> the weather indicator is in a ppa i think
[04:26] <bin_bash> because I dislike that I have to either have ALL FANCINESS or none at all. I just want a couple compiz effects
[04:26] <KM0201> bin_bash: yeah, that does kinda suck.
[04:26] <Omega> There's still the classic gnome session.
[04:26] <bin_bash> all i want is compiz expose and the windows expose thingy
[04:26] <bin_bash> BUT NO
[04:26] <KM0201> i'm surprised you couldn't disable all those compiz effects, except the one you wanted.
[04:26] <bin_bash> cuz if i use that then EVERYTHING DIES
[04:26] <KM0201> ..
[04:26] <bin_bash> KM0201:  yeah basically because I need to have opengl enabled
[04:26] <KM0201> we all float down here...
[04:27] <bin_bash> and like despite disabling everything
[04:27] <bin_bash> skype still was herpderping and didn't show in the panel
[04:27] <bin_bash> and the internet was liek "OH GOD WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN"
[04:27] <KM0201> bin_bash: thats weird, skype shows in the panel for me
[04:27] <bin_bash> so whatever. I'll live without it for now
[04:27] <bin_bash> yeah, when I have fx disabled it does
[04:27] <bin_bash> but with them enabled it doesnt
[04:27] <__mikem> bin_bash seriously. give links a try. its the best web browser ever
[04:27] <KM0201> oh ok.. well, its there even w/ fx.. for me
[04:27] <bin_bash> __mikem: thank you.
[04:27] <__mikem> ;)
[04:27] <bin_bash> KM0201: you're using unity though, amirite?
[04:28] <KM0201> isn't it Lynx?
[04:28] <__mikem> KM0201 nope its links :D
[04:28] <KM0201> bin_bash: affirmative... keep forgetting you're not using unity.
[04:28] <bin_bash> I need to feed my snake. brb
[04:28] <KM0201> lynx=nightmare on ubuntu street
[04:28]  * KM0201 is TERRIFIED of snakes
[04:28]  * rww checks PM window
[04:28] <rww> oh, hrm.
[04:28] <rww> !ot
[04:29] <antoranz> Hi, guys!
[04:29] <KM0201> antoranz: greetings
[04:29] <antoranz> I updated to natty today and I found the intel driver to be very buggy for gl stuff on my netbook
[04:30] <antoranz> was wondering if other people have complained about the same thing
[04:30] <KM0201> which intel device?
[04:30] <antoranz> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation N10 Family Integrated Graphics Controller (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[04:31] <KM0201> hmm
[04:31] <KM0201> i've got the 915 ( i think) and it seems to work great
[04:31] <antoranz> on maverick it was very stable though there was a problem when doing refreshes sometimes (kwin effects enabled.... I'm on kubuntu)
[04:31] <antoranz> but I updated to natty today and it's kind of messy
[04:32] <antoranz> it's a samsung netbook, just in case
[04:33] <atpa8a> hello
[04:33] <atpa8a> any idea why in 11.04 Mod4+T brings up the Trash folder? i'm trying to remap it to terminal but it always show trash folder...
[04:33] <KM0201> antoranz: there's een a lot of people complaining about "updating"... i clean installed, and have had very very few issues (and the ones i've had, have been minor)
[04:33] <antoranz> also, after updating the natty kernel is having a panic
[04:33] <antoranz> don't want to clean install, man
[04:34] <KM0201> antoranz: just saying... your issues are not uncommon w/ the upgrades i've been readiing about.
[04:34] <seminatty> KM0201, clean install with the migration tool?
[04:34] <bin_bash> back
[04:34] <KM0201> seminatty: i've never used a migration tool, i clean install like its a new OS
[04:34] <__mikem> bin_bash so how do you like links? :)
[04:34] <bin_bash> __mikem: i havent downloaded it i'm boiling water for supper and defrosting a mouse for my snake
[04:34] <antoranz> I "apt-get dist-upgrade"d
[04:34] <__mikem> :(
[04:34] <bin_bash> also, isn't links a terminal browser
[04:35] <bin_bash> like curl
[04:35] <__mikem> yeah
[04:35] <KM0201> __mikem: i win!
[04:35] <KM0201> lol
[04:35] <KM0201> bin_bash: what about epiphany
[04:35] <bin_bash> was there a bet?
[04:35] <__mikem> bin_bash honestly I was only joking about links. But I guess you already figured that out
[04:35] <antoranz> about the kernel panic, apparently the kernel doesn't understand sda8 anymore
[04:35] <Omega> curl isn't a webbrowser.
[04:35] <seminatty> KM0201, oh ok. There's a built-in migration tool in the installer -- if it sees another OS, it offers to copy your documents, but all the system config is new
[04:36] <antoranz> do I have to use UUID now for root=xxxx parameter at boot time?
[04:36] <KM0201> seminatty: yeah, i just nuke my ubuntu partition and do a clean install
[04:36] <__mikem> bin_bash I bet KM0201 that you would try to install links, and then come back when you figured out it was text only. KM0201 said that you probably knew about links already.
[04:37] <bin_bash> I'm not a complete n00b :P
[04:37] <Omega> !ot
[04:37] <bin_bash> whoa. ot outta nowhere!
[04:37] <__mikem> bin_bash don't mind Omega
[04:38] <Omega> What you bet with someone else has nothing to do with Natty support, take it to #ubuntu-offtopic.
[04:38] <KM0201> Omega: do you have a question?
[04:39] <Omega> KM0201: Yes, why aren't you helpfull?
[04:39] <KM0201> and we were talking about alternative browsers for 11.04
[04:39] <KM0201> Omega: i've not saw you answer a question, but to be truthful, i just took you off ignore a minute ago(and i regret it)... if you hve a question, i'll try to answer it
[04:39] <__mikem> KM0201 do you know if Iceweasel is still in the repositories?
[04:39] <KM0201> __mikem: pretty sure
[04:39] <bin_bash> Omega:  have you ever been so far as decided to use even go want to look more like?
[04:40] <rww> !info iceweasel
[04:40] <antoranz> I'm talking about my indet driver problem and not having a bit of drive to do a clean install
[04:40] <antoranz> intel driver, I mean
[04:40] <bin_bash> antoranz: what kind of computer is it
[04:40] <KM0201> antoranz: you can clean install "over" your current install...
[04:40] <__mikem> bin_bash as a serious suggestion, you might try iceweasel, but iceweasel is only a "generic" branding of firefox
[04:40] <KM0201> but thats another issue, you said you didn't want to do that
[04:40] <bin_bash> __mikem: yeah I considered iceweasel a while ago
[04:40] <antoranz> how to clean install?
[04:40] <KM0201> !info seamonkey
[04:40] <antoranz> dpkg --reconfigure -a?
[04:41] <KM0201> no, you boot the cd, and install.. just like you would if it were new..
[04:41] <bin_bash> antoranz: what are you trying to install over what kind of computer what exactly do you need helop with, bro?
[04:41] <antoranz> and it's a samsung N150 plus netbook
[04:42] <bin_bash> Okay
[04:42] <bin_bash> put in the livecd
[04:42] <bin_bash> then run the installer
[04:42] <bin_bash> then select "clean install"
[04:42] <antoranz> that's precisely what I _don't_ want to do, man... and apt-get dist-upgrade should do
[04:42] <antoranz> come on!
[04:42] <bin_bash> okay then what do you want?!
[04:42] <__mikem> here we go round the mulberry bush
[04:42] <bin_bash> Partition your drive and install it alongside the current OS then
[04:42] <bin_bash> you can do THAT in the installer too!
[04:42] <KM0201> __mikem: thats what i'm tryng to figure out..
[04:42] <antoranz> I'd _love_ to get rid of the problems on the intel driver.... not much besides that.
[04:43] <__mikem> KM0201 hmmm?
[04:43] <bin_bash> Which intel driver?
[04:43] <KM0201> round and round and round..
[04:43] <bin_bash> intel gpu? intel processor?
[04:43] <bin_bash> I don;t have time to be googling your hardware bro
[04:43] <KM0201> intel video, he's having issues w/ it and 11.04...
[04:43] <bin_bash> tell me what exact piece of hardware you're having a problem with
[04:43] <bin_bash> ah
[04:43] <antoranz> gpu... (mostly gl stuff)
[04:43] <bin_bash> well
[04:43] <bin_bash> that's a very common problem
[04:43] <__mikem> you could try lsmod to find your hardware
[04:43] <bin_bash> you just need to use the 2d versions of either unity or gnome
[04:43] <bin_bash> and then you shouldn't have a problem.
[04:44] <antoranz> I'm in kubuntu... no unity or gnome
[04:44] <__mikem> bin_bash quite frankly, the 2d version of unity is still a bit flaky
[04:44] <bin_bash> then why are you here?
[04:44] <rww> bin_bash: #ubuntu+1 is for all desktop environments
[04:44] <antoranz> cause intel driver for xorg is not exclusive to kubuntu
[04:44] <no--nick> how can i check my system information ?
[04:44] <Omega> Uhm.
[04:44] <rww> there isn't a separate #kubuntu+1 or anything.
[04:44] <Omega> All DE's get help here.
[04:44] <__mikem> unity in general is still a bit flaky
[04:44] <no--nick> like my hardware devices makes models and stuff like that
[04:45] <antoranz> being common between the two, wanted to know if I was the only guy on earth to be facing this problem
[04:45]  * KM0201 never understood why they lock kubuntu+1
[04:45] <KM0201> __mikem: yeah, it is..
[04:45] <rww> KM0201: They don't. It forwards here.
[04:45] <bin_bash> antoranz:  no. you're not.
[04:45] <bin_bash> the intel gpu drivers have not be perfected yet
[04:45] <KM0201> rww: it does?... last time i tried to go there, it said it was for developers only
[04:45] <rww> If you're in a channel and try to join another one that forwards to it, you get the +i message instead because lolfreenode.
[04:45] <KM0201> lol
[04:46] <antoranz> ok... that's something. what can losers like me do with this then?
[04:46] <KM0201> hmm, guess you're right
[04:46] <bin_bash> antoranz: use the 2d version?
[04:46] <Omega> bin_bash: 2d version of what?
[04:46] <bin_bash> surely kde has an option to turn off fx
[04:46] <KM0201> not that i doubted you
[04:46] <antoranz> I could try the natty live usb to see if the problem is there.... but don't have a pen drive at hand, really
[04:46] <__mikem> bin_bash by the way, what do you think of gnome 3?
[04:46] <antoranz> 2d version of unity?
[04:46] <KM0201> lol
[04:46] <KM0201> unity has a 2d version in the repos.. if you're having 3D probs
[04:47] <bin_bash> __mikem: I miss old gnome
[04:47] <antoranz> well... I turned off the desktop effects of kwin (no unity) and it seems to be doing great.... but I want to have gl on.
[04:47] <Omega> He's not using unity, you'd know if you actually listened to him.
[04:47] <__mikem> bin_bash why? gnome 3 is so much better than old gnome
[04:47] <KM0201> she just misses that she ccould use "None" "Normal" or "Extra" on desktop effects
[04:47] <bin_bash> antoranz: well the problem is that opengl causes gltichinesss
[04:48] <bin_bash> so if you want opengl either deal with the glitch or don't use it
[04:48] <KM0201> __mikem: does that gnome CD have any applications on it, or is it just the OS?
[04:48] <antoranz> yea, I saw glitches on maverick
[04:48] <Omega> __mikem: If you're not asking for support, please take it to another channel.
[04:48] <__mikem> KM0201 yes it has a few applications
[04:48] <antoranz> and assumed natty would have improvements..... but as a matter of fact it's much worse
[04:48] <KM0201> hmm, ok
[04:49] <__mikem> assuming that beta software is going to have less glitches than a previous release version of the same software is just asking for trouble
[04:49] <bin_bash> brb
[04:49] <antoranz> should I file a new bug or there are already people in line with this same bug?
[04:49] <antoranz> __mikem, talking to me?
[04:49] <KM0201> antoranz: its really not worse.. .its BETA
[04:50] <antoranz> I know... but next step is release, right?
[04:50] <antoranz> I mean... for natty
[04:50] <KM0201> antoranz: in two weeks, thre's still room for improvement.. honestlyt hough, i think Unity is gonna be kinda shotty when its released.. its just gonna be a gradual process (like we discussed earlier, with kde4.. it sucked when it first hit)
[04:51] <antoranz> well... maybe they are hacking on the driver heavily these days on the driver....
[04:51] <KM0201> its just part of the process, you gotta get people using it, so you can discover bugs, problems, etc
[04:51] <__mikem> antoranz, no, after beta comes Gamma. Then after that there is delta, and then in a few months we will be out of zeta phase and THEN maybe they will release it
[04:51] <antoranz> then I'd like to know (given that you probably spend more time here than I do) if you think that I should file a new bug for this
[04:52] <Omega> protip: they don't
[04:52] <KM0201> antoranz: if you want to file a bug, i'd say go for it.. but i'd say its probably been filed, as i've read several complaints about unity and some of the newer intel chipsets
[04:52] <rww> antoranz: If you're not sure, just file a bug and they'll dup or close it if it shouldn't be one.
[04:52] <antoranz> hell.... _no_ unity!
[04:52] <KM0201> antoranz: ok, intel and 3d (they both run basically the same way)
[04:53] <antoranz> ugh! Ill just file the bug and hope for the best... I'll cope with the 2d stuff for a few days and test it later
[04:53] <Omega> How many times did s/he have to say that she doesn't use unity.
[04:53] <Omega> If this channel wasn't so filled with OT, you'd be able to see it/
[04:53] <antoranz> it's a guy over here, ok? :-D
[04:53] <KM0201> Omega: you're not getting what i'ms aying.. if he's having a 3D problems, then he's going to have them in both unity, and the normal ubuntu
[04:53] <KM0201> if 3D is working properly, then Unity(for the most part) is going to work correclty, as is 3D in ubuntu..
[04:54] <KM0201> given my audience, i didn't think i needed to spell it out
[04:54] <AtomicSpark> __mikem: I MISS YOUUUU
[04:54] <antoranz> kubuntu, guys.... with K from KDE. :-)
[04:54] <__mikem> um
[04:54] <__mikem> what just happened
[04:54] <antoranz> anyway.... will file the bug
[04:54] <rww> ahahahahaha
[04:54] <__mikem> How did AtomicSpark know i was here?
[04:54] <KM0201> antoranz: ok.. good luck w/ it man.. really
[04:54] <KM0201> __mikem: cuz he <3's you
[04:54] <__mikem> haha
[04:54] <antoranz> thanks!
[04:56] <KM0201> Paddy_NI: are you using 11.04/
[04:56] <Paddy_NI> nope
[04:56]  * __mikem pokes Paddy_NI 
[04:57] <Paddy_NI> Hey __mikem long time no see
[04:57] <__mikem> yeah
[04:57] <KM0201> dang, the whole "club" is here.
[04:57] <KM0201> :)
[04:57] <Paddy_NI> :)
[04:57] <Paddy_NI> __mikem: Got me a nice Samsung Galaxy S
[04:58] <__mikem> Paddy_NI those are nice :)
[04:58] <Omega> If there are more of you, I need to leave as fast as possible.
[04:58]  * rww points half the channel at #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:58] <Omega> rww: I've tried many times.
[04:58] <rww> Omega: I'm pointing with a pointy stick. It tends to be more effective.
[04:58] <__mikem> haha
[04:58] <__mikem> noted
[04:59] <totem> question > Ubuntu Natty Beta 2 is safe for pregnant lady?
[04:59] <__mikem> O_o
[04:59] <seminatty> totem, it forms natty
[05:00] <rww> totem: get back in your cage :(
[05:00] <__mikem> haha
[05:00] <totem> :D
[05:07] <antoranz> does the natty kernel understand root=uuid=blablah?
[05:08] <antoranz> cause it's not booting
[05:09] <atpa8a> hmm
[05:09] <atpa8a> is it possible to change the Win (Mod4) shortcuts in unity?
[05:14] <seminatty> natty installer still has the problem where even if you say you don't want to download packages at this time, it still downloads the packages...
[05:14] <rww> atpa8a: someone in compizconfig-settings-manager, perhaps?
[05:14] <rww> !ccsm
[05:17] <atpa8a> hmm
[05:17] <atpa8a> rww: thanks!
[05:18]  * atpa8a is liking Unity
[05:18] <atpa8a> a bit slow on dell mini...
[05:21] <atpa8a> heh...
[05:21] <atpa8a> simple-ccsm : Depends: python-compizconfig (>= 0.8.2) but it is not going to be installed
[05:22] <knightautwell> why is it that i delete almost everything on my jump drive to get more space on it and it still says i have only 2.2gb left and its an 8gb jump drive
[05:22] <knightautwell> i highlite everything on it and it says im only using like 2 something gigs
[05:23] <knightautwell> 2.5 gigs
[05:23] <atpa8a> elky: Broken packages
[05:23] <Jerub> knightautwell: maybe hidden folders? ones starting with '.'
[05:23] <Jerub> a trash?
[05:23] <atpa8a>  E: Broken packages
[05:23] <rww> atpa8a: try the other one, it works fine for me.
[05:23] <atpa8a> sorry elky
[05:24] <atpa8a> rww: yup, that worked... it's beta not for nothing :P
[05:24] <atpa8a> thanks rww
[05:26] <knightautwell> thanks when i deleted them off of it it stayed on there is a file called .trash-1000
[05:26] <knightautwell> it was a hidden file
[05:27] <knightautwell> never heard of it doing that before tho lol
[05:28] <Jerub> knightautwell: hold shift when hitting 'delete' to avoid it going to the trash
[05:28] <knightautwell> ok lol
[05:28] <rww> !trash
[05:29] <knightautwell> but it actually stayed on my drive thats what i didnt get lol
[05:50] <knightautwell> goodnighteveryone
[05:51] <bullgard4> How can I get seahorse to remember my gajim login password?
[05:53] <damian> hi, im trying to install a lamp server in natty
[05:53] <damian> php5 is missing
[05:53] <damian> Failed to fetch http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/php5/php5-common_5.3.5-1ubuntu6_i386.deb 404  Not Found Failed to fetch http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/php5/libapache2-mod-php5_5.3.5-1ubuntu6_i386.deb 404  Not Found Failed to fetch http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/php5/php5_5.3.5-1ubuntu6_all.deb 404  Not Found Failed to fetch http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/php5/php5-c
[05:53] <damian> where do i go from here
[05:54] <rww> damian: From the look of it, php5's up to 1ubuntu7 now. It's possible your mirror's still syncing, or you need to do sudo apt-get update
[05:57] <damian> silly me. an apt update fixed it. thanks
[06:08] <tonyyarusso> See, I would have just gone with "ERROR:  You appear to be attempting to use the Internet in Australia."
[06:09] <KM0201> lol
[06:09] <damian> yeah... noting i can say to that
[06:09] <damian> ok i got  a lampserver running. where is the www folder
[06:10] <damian>  /var/www?
[06:10] <rww> yes
[06:10] <tonyyarusso> yes, by default
[06:12] <damian> my default? so i can change this. awesome im guessing thats in apache.conf
[06:13] <tonyyarusso> damian: It's in /etc/apache2/conf.d/default
[06:13] <tonyyarusso> err, 00-default actually I think
[06:13] <tonyyarusso> damian: Not only can you change it, but you can have more than one.
[06:14] <damian> awesome thanks. just want to take it out of the var folder so i dont need root nautilus open all the time
[06:14] <damian> thanks
[06:14] <damian> found it
[06:15] <tonyyarusso> damian: You should change the permissions on it, not move it to a different location on the filesystem.
[06:15] <finn0000>  I installed ubuntu minimal and got all the packages I need for gnome (then used the PPA to get gnome3), but my notifications look like the old, ugly ones from pre 9.10 (or was it 9.04). Is there a package or something to get the newer, transparent notifications?
[06:16] <damian> ahh. done ;)
[06:16] <damian> easier too
[06:19] <finn0000> anyone...?
[06:21] <nit-wit> finn0000, what ubuntu minimal
[06:22] <finn0000> uh
[06:22] <nit-wit> there is no natty minimal
[06:22] <finn0000> yeah there is
[06:22] <nit-wit> with a alternate cd how?
[06:22] <finn0000> go to maverick minimal -> change "maverick" to "natty" in URL -> natty minimal
[06:23] <finn0000> there's probably a link to it somewhere
[06:23] <finn0000> but that's how I found it
[06:25] <nit-wit> have you looked in the apt sources.list to confirm the natty repos
[06:25] <finn0000> yes
[06:25] <finn0000> just did
[06:25] <finn0000> you made me doubt it's existance
[06:25] <finn0000> but i just checked
[06:26] <finn0000> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[06:28] <nit-wit> finn0000, thanks man I had no idea, try the xubuntu desktop as well compiz runs fine without ubinty
[06:29] <finn0000> oh
[06:29] <finn0000> i installed gnome3
[06:29] <finn0000> im enjoying it quite a bit
[06:30] <rww> as am I
[06:30] <finn0000> except that the notifications look like shit
[06:30] <finn0000> as previously mentioned
[06:30] <rww> I'm using GNOME Shell, so I get its notifications :\
[06:30] <bazhang> finn0000, no cursing please
[06:30] <finn0000> bazhang, my bad
[06:30] <rww> finn0000: the package for that is notification-daemon. Try removing it and replacing it with something else
[06:30] <finn0000> such as?
[06:31] <rww> (I presume the ones you don't like are the upstream old-style ones, anyway)
[06:31] <rww> looking for the list now
[06:31] <finn0000> yes
[06:31] <finn0000> ok thanks
[06:31] <finn0000> i looked through it but couldn't find anything
[06:32] <rww> finn0000: notify-osd is the Ubuntu one. There's also awn-applet-awn-notification-daemon, which I guess has something to do with AWM; xfce4-notifyd for Xubuntu; colibri for I think KDE.
[06:32] <finn0000> ok
[06:32] <rww> for gnome-shell, I guess you just remove them all, since I don't have any installed.
[06:32] <finn0000> alright
[06:33] <finn0000> brb gonna log out and log back in
[06:40] <finn0000> that worked
[06:41] <finn0000> got rid of notify-osd notifications-daemon and it uses the gnome-shell notifications
[06:41] <finn0000> thanks
[06:45] <bhavesh> I did a partial upgrade and it installed GNOME3 on my ubunut 11.04
[06:45] <bhavesh> but it screwed things up
[06:45] <bhavesh> there are no desktop icons and I cannot change my theme...
[06:45] <bhavesh> And there is no way to switch back to GNOME3
[06:45] <bhavesh> GNOME2**
[06:45] <rww> The only way to get GNOME 3 on natty is to add the GNOME 3 PPA. The GNOME 3 PPA is unsupported and unstable, and says that on the PPA page. Have fun :|
[06:46] <bhavesh> rww: GNOME 3 got installed on my ubuntu 11.04 when I updated it
[06:46] <bhavesh> I did no install it myself rww
[06:46] <rww> bhavesh: Ubuntu's official repositories do not contain GNOME 3.
[06:47] <bhavesh> I dunno, it got installed :(
[06:47] <susundberg> i guess he is messing up unity and gnome3 ..
[06:47] <bhavesh> from update manager, rww
[06:47] <bhavesh> lol
[06:47] <bhavesh> I know what is unity..
[06:47] <bhavesh> and gnome 3
[06:48] <bhavesh> when I try to switch back to normal GNOME2 called (ubuntu classic) from login screen it says failed to load ubuntu classic
[06:48] <rww> sigh
[06:48] <bhavesh> it even says failed to load ubunut
[06:48] <bhavesh> ubuntu*
[06:48] <bhavesh> the only thing I can load is ubuntu GNOME shell
[06:48] <bhavesh> which brings me to GNOME3...
[06:49] <rww> bhavesh: please run "apt-cache policy gnome-shell" and pastebin the output to http://paste.ubuntu.com/ , then link the page it creates here.
[06:49] <bhavesh> rww: http://paste.ubuntu.com/595832/
[06:50] <rww> bhavesh: read line 6.
[06:50] <rww> note the part where it says PPA and references the *unsupported* PPA I already mentioned.
[06:50] <rww> note further that PPAs do not magically add themselves.
[06:50] <bhavesh> I know GNOME3 is unsupported
[06:50] <rww> then why are you asking for support with it?
[06:50] <bazhang> so you added the ppa
[06:51] <bhavesh> what I just did is
[06:51] <bhavesh> I opened my update manager
[06:51] <yofel> you could try to ppa-purge gnome3..
[06:51] <bhavesh> it said Partial upgrade remaining
[06:51] <bhavesh> I did partial upgrade
[06:51] <yofel> *bad* idea
[06:51] <bhavesh> hmm
[06:52] <bhavesh> I remember 3 days ago I added GNOME3 PPA... if i am not wrong
[06:52] <bhavesh> but did not install it that time
[06:52] <yofel> see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1641400 for partial upgrades
[06:52] <yofel> erm, adding the PPA and updating will automatically install it...
[06:52] <bhavesh> O.O
[06:52] <bazhang> bhavesh, that would install it
[06:52] <yofel> as long as it has packages that you already have installed
[06:53] <yofel> it behaves like any other archive
[06:53] <bhavesh> so I need to purge gnome3 ?
[06:53] <yofel> as the gnome3 packages replace the gnome2 packages, not install side by side
[06:54] <yofel> try to use ppa-purge, that *might* be able to downgrade  the packages
[06:55] <bin_bash> anyone have any tips for getting flash to work in x86_64 nattyb2?
[06:56] <rww> bin_bash: download the plugin from adobe and drop it in ~/.mozilla/plugins/
[06:57] <rww> and before you ask, I'm looking for it ;P
[06:57] <rww> http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer10_2_p3_64bit_linux_111710.tar.gz
[06:57] <KM0201> lol
[06:57]  * KM0201 laughs at rww's psychic abilities
[06:57] <bin_bash> :P
[06:58] <yofel> what's up with flash again?
[06:59] <KM0201> rww: whats strange is, i installed flash via normal procedures (ubuntu-restricted-extras)... and i don't have a "plugins" folder under .mozila
[06:59]  * KM0201 thinks bin_bash should just give up and embrace chrome
[06:59] <KM0201> lol
[06:59] <bin_bash> where's ~/.mozilla/plugins/
[07:00]  * bin_bash thinks she doesn't want google all up in her biznatch
[07:00] <rww> KM0201: You wouldn't, no. And you probably want to remove the original flash package first, btw.
[07:00] <rww> I'm mixing up people o.o
[07:00] <rww> bin_bash: open .mozilla, create a plugins folder in it, drop plugin .so file in there.
[07:01] <KM0201> bin_bash: lol, google would be no more up your "biznatch" than mozilla... Google is gonna rule the world someday anyway, might as well embrace the horror
[07:01] <bin_bash> KM0201: I DO NOT ACCEPT MY GOOGLE OVERLORDS yet
[07:01] <KM0201> lol
[07:01] <bin_bash> rww: i'm half asleep where?
[07:01]  * bhavesh doesn't like GNOME3
[07:02] <KM0201> i gotta try that gnome3 live cd i downloaded... just haven't gotten to it yet
[07:02] <bhavesh> KM0201: you cant change its them -.-
[07:02] <bhavesh> theme
[07:02] <KM0201> bhavesh: well, i downloaded a gnome3 live cd... i already tried installing it from the PPA.. it sucked
[07:03] <bhavesh> KM0201: I really gotta uninstall ubuntu and reinstall it on 28th april
[07:03] <bin_bash> rww: where find mozilla
[07:04] <rww> bin_bash: It's a hidden file in your home folder.
[07:04] <bin_bash> OH THOSE ARE FUN!
[07:04] <KM0201> bin_bash: in nautilus(the file browser) click view, show hidden files/folders.. go through, and find .mozzila  then do what rww said
[07:04] <rww> hidden folder in your homefolder, I guess
[07:04] <KM0201> bhavesh: ah, be a gamer, remember the ubuntu+1 motto.. "We install ubuntu multiple times... so you don't have to"
[07:04] <bin_bash> okay yeah
[07:05]  * KM0201 has installed natty 3x..lol
[07:05] <rww> KM0201: I like that.
[07:05] <KM0201> whats that?
[07:05] <ohsix> i installed it once :\
[07:06] <KM0201> rww: like what/
[07:06] <bin_bash> okay i dropped the .so in the plugins folder
[07:06] <rww> KM0201: "We install Ubuntu multiple times so you don't have to"
[07:06] <KM0201> oh.. duh.. i forgot i said that
[07:06] <bhavesh> KM0201: yea
[07:06] <KM0201> .. i think its a good channel motto.. :)
[07:06] <KM0201> rww: you have super op powers, put it in the topic.. :)
[07:07] <rww> KM0201: I'm strongly considering it, actually.
[07:07] <KM0201> lol
[07:07]  * bhavesh loved Alt+F2 in GNOME3
[07:07] <KM0201> rww: not that anyone ever reads the topic anyway..lol
[07:07] <bhavesh> lol
[07:08] <bin_bash> rww: doeeet
[07:08] <KM0201> bin_bash: did that work?
[07:08] <bin_bash> idk
[07:09] <KM0201> restart firefox, then go to youtube, see if you can play a video
[07:09] <bin_bash> fuckingyes!
[07:09] <bin_bash> inb4 !language
[07:09] <bazhang> bin_bash, please no cursing
[07:10] <bin_bash> I inb4'd it therefore your argument is invalid.
[07:10] <bazhang> not the way it works
[07:10] <rww> You inb4'd it, therefore you know better, therefore ops are more likely to go beatdown on you.
[07:10] <bin_bash> But... the rules!
[07:11] <bazhang> which you flaunt
[07:11] <bin_bash> Okay. All I was saying is that after exhaustive trial and error, I am quite ecstatic that I was able to get flash not only installed, but also functioning.
[07:11] <KM0201> lol
[07:11] <bazhang> then say that
[07:12] <bin_bash> DEAR SIR! I am quite ecstatic that after exhaustive trial and error I was not only able to get flash installed, but also running! I shall say to this goodshow lads!
[07:12] <bhavesh> is there a gnome3 channel or say gnome channel?
[07:12] <rww> Forsooth!
[07:12] <bazhang> bhavesh, main one is not on this network iirc
[07:12] <rww> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeIrcChannels
[07:13] <rww> what bazhang said. There's an unofficial #gnome, though.
[07:13] <bhavesh> k
[07:13] <KM0201> ::shutters:: quassel brings back kde nightmares
[07:14] <bin_bash> Okay
[07:15] <KM0201> rww: i had to look up what forsooth meant... very clever
[07:15] <KM0201> lol
[07:15] <rww> Verily!
[07:15] <KM0201> i know that one..lol
[07:15] <bin_bash> rww is a bro.
[07:15] <yofel> what part of quassel is part of KDE o.O?
[07:16] <KM0201> yofel: it just was part of kde, and therefore it scares me..
[07:16] <rww> It uses Qt, so it's excellent by association.
[07:16] <bin_bash> LOL
[07:16] <rww> KM0201: Quassel isn't part of KDE, I believe.
[07:16] <yofel> heh, well it does have optional KDE integration, but Quassel isn't part of KDE
[07:16] <KM0201> rww: hmm, i thought it was.. maybe i was thinking of konversation.
[07:16] <KM0201> well, nto "part of".. but its a KDE app.. is it not?
[07:17] <bazhang> works fine in gnome
[07:17] <yofel> konversation is part of KDE, Quassel is a Qt app, but not shipped with KDE
[07:17] <KM0201> ic
[07:18] <yofel> Quassel integrates nicely into KDE, but works perfectly fine in gnome too, I used it long before I went to KDE
[07:18] <KM0201> eh, i'm good w/ xchat
[07:18] <bin_bash> I use konversation because xchat gives me seizures.
[07:18] <yofel> xchat is nice,  but you can't have that running on your server :P
[07:18] <bin_bash> yofel: use irssi
[07:18] <yofel> I did that for a  while, not *too* fond of it, esp. if you have more than 10 channels you're in
[07:19] <bin_bash> okay use weechat
[07:19] <KM0201> hmm, i just tried to install quassel... and it says my system doesn't have like 2 dependencies.
[07:19] <KM0201> thats weird
[07:19] <bin_bash> lolpendencies
[07:19] <yofel> never tried that, guess I could sometime
[07:20] <KM0201> isn't weechat, basically just like irssi?
[07:20] <ilea> hi all
[07:20] <yofel> does seem so from the screenshots I'm seeing at the homepage
[07:20] <KM0201> what aobut smuxi.. anyone use that?
[07:21] <yofel> does have a proper channel list though
[07:21] <ilea> what comand i need to save the network manager log on ubuntu 11.04 and then show it here so maybe someone will now what is the problem with the dsl conection?
[07:21] <KM0201> bazhang: you're famous!   http://www.smuxi.org/jaws/data/phoo/2010_07_25/smuxi-0.7.2-linx-main-window.png  you're on the official smuxi screenshot
[07:21] <yofel> ilea: network manager logs into /var/log/syslog
[07:22] <ilea> i tried grep NetworkManager /var/log/daemon.logs and it didnt work
[07:22] <KM0201> jrib.. i haven't saw him in forever
[07:22] <rww> smuxi's the mono one, ne?
[07:22] <KM0201> yeah..
[07:23] <bin_bash> KM0201: what client is that
[07:23] <KM0201> bin_bash: smuxi
[07:23] <bin_bash> o.O megusta.png
[07:23] <rww> knew there was a reason I didn't try it :\
[07:24] <ilea> how to type it in terminal yofel?
[07:24] <bin_bash> what do you mean mono
[07:24] <KM0201> bin_bash: colors.. monochrome (or at least thats what i thought he meant)
[07:24] <ilea> i type /var/log/syslog and it will work or i have to type something before var
[07:25] <ilea> ?
[07:25] <rww> KM0201: no
[07:25] <rww> info mono-runtime
[07:25] <rww> !info mono-runtime
[07:25] <rww> well that was useful.
[07:25] <KM0201> hmm
[07:25] <bin_bash> omg rww that totes answers my question. :|
[07:26] <rww> I for one am impressed by our packagers' abilities in the area of short descriptions.
[07:26] <rww> anyways. mono is an open-source implementation of C#, common language runtime, etc.
[07:26] <bin_bash> I don't evenm know what that means
[07:27] <KM0201> rww: well, a description means that you actually have an idea what it is, after you read it... i'm not sure i'd call the above a description.. all we know is what its available for...lol
[07:27] <KM0201> rww: ic
[07:27] <rww> KM0201: yes, that was my point ;P
[07:27] <KM0201> i know.. :)
[07:27] <yofel> ilea: that's a text file, open it in gedit
[07:28] <yofel> ilea: if you want a  report a bug file it against network-manager, apport will automatically collect that
[07:28] <bin_bash> KM0201: do you liek that client how is it with multiple network
[07:28] <rww> ah. sorry, it's 11pm, my brain is dead.
[07:28] <KM0201> what client?
[07:28] <KM0201> i use xchat
[07:28] <bin_bash> oh
[07:28] <bin_bash> nevermind
[07:28] <KM0201> i just know "of" smuxi...
[07:28] <KM0201> i never used it.
[07:28]  * KM0201 <3's xchat
[07:29] <bin_bash> nomegusta.png xchat
[07:29] <bin_bash> i dont like it
[07:29] <KM0201> whats nomegust.png?
[07:29] <KM0201> bin_bash: have you tried the others?
[07:29] <KM0201> there's several irc clients
[07:29] <bin_bash> it's like megusta.png with no added
[07:29] <Alia> Hi, i installed natty yesterday now my ld path is screwed up i.e. to get opengl working using binary nvidia driver i have to run the program like LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/nvidia-current glxgears
[07:30] <bin_bash> I've tried irssi i've tried telnet i've tried lots
[07:30] <bin_bash> >implying telnet is a client
[07:30] <KM0201> i tried irssi.. just couldn't warm up to it.
[07:30] <KM0201> i admit i'm a gui feller
[07:30] <bin_bash> I dislike it
[07:30] <bin_bash> I don't use it
[07:30] <vish> !ot
[07:30] <bin_bash> I prefer the cli
[07:31] <bin_bash> vish we are discussing something on-topic
[07:31] <bin_bash> the topic of irc clients in natty narwhal
[07:31] <bin_bash> there is nothing more on topic than that topic
[07:31] <bin_bash> and which client works best
[07:31] <bin_bash> also I'm constantly having SOME new issue
[07:32] <KM0201> hmm, bin_bash so why dont you use irssi or weechat?
[07:32] <KM0201> if you like cli?
[07:32] <vish> bin_bash: well, not when someone else has a real support Q ;-)
[07:32] <bin_bash> Because I'm a gui kinda gal
[07:32] <bin_bash> did I write cli?
[07:32] <bin_bash> wow
[07:32] <bin_bash> no
[07:32] <bin_bash> I'm a gui girl when it comes to irc
[07:32] <KM0201> oh ok
[07:32] <KM0201> sorry... brain is fading fast
[07:32] <bin_bash> lol >gooey girl
[07:33] <bin_bash> mine too.
[07:33] <bin_bash> actually i have a problem with konvergaytion
[07:33] <KM0201> vish: if you have a question, ask and if someone knows the answer, we'll answer it.
[07:33] <KM0201> bin_bash: there's always the web based freenode cilent..
[07:33] <bin_bash> when i try to connect to my server it keeps freaking asking me if i want to accept the ssl even though it's unsigned
[07:33] <vish> KM0201: not referring to myself.. but see above Alia's
[07:33] <KM0201> vish: i read his question, and iddn't know the answer.. i imagine if someone knew the answer, they'd have answered
[07:33] <bin_bash> and i keep saying "yes, forevers" but then it doesn't work
[07:34] <bin_bash> And everytime I reconnect it asks me
[07:34] <bin_bash> why
[07:34] <vish> KM0201: right, exactly why there need not be chatter so that such Questions get lost
[07:34] <Alia> any one knows how to debug ld path problems?
[07:34] <bin_bash> no sorry Alia
[07:34] <KM0201> vish: his question wasn't lost.. there's not that many people here right now...
[07:35] <KM0201-WEB> i'm kinda fond of this web client... i just hate leaving a browser tab open
[07:35] <bin_bash> qwebirc?
[07:35] <KM0201> plus, the "beep" alert, isn't very loud at all.
[07:35] <vish> *sigh*
[07:35] <KM0201> bin_bash: webchat.freenode.net
[07:35] <bin_bash> KM0201: i don't like it
[07:35] <bin_bash> yeah it's qwebirc
[07:35] <rww> bin_bash: Don't use "gay" as a pejorative.
[07:35] <bin_bash> better than mibbit
[07:35] <KM0201> ah, ok.
[07:36] <yofel> Alia: what exactly is the error? Though I'm not sure if I can help either
[07:37] <bin_bash> Okay. In konversation why is it consistently making me approve the unsigned ssl even though i click "always" or whatevr
[07:37] <Alia> ld finds libGL.so in /usr/lib instead of /usr/lib/nvidia-current
[07:38] <ilea> anybody haves a good ydeea on how can i save the log for network manager on ubuntu 11.04? i tryed /var/log/syslog and it says permision denied
[07:38] <yofel> Alia: what does 'update-alternatives --display gl_conf' say?
[07:39] <Alia> link currently points to /usr/lib/nvidia-current/ld.so.conf
[07:39] <vish> ilea: debugging NM? » https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingNetworkManager
[07:39] <KM0201> bin_bash: looks like that might be a konversation bug.
[07:39] <bin_bash> hm
[07:39] <bin_bash> lame
[07:41] <yofel> Alia: ok, so then the /usr/lib/libGL.so link should point to the right file
[07:41] <Alia> http://pastebin.com/sugibxCv
[07:41] <vish> ilea: if you are trying to save the log, just try it in a folder you own, somewhere in ~/
[07:41] <yofel> libGL.so is only a symlink
[07:42] <Alia> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2011-04-18 10:28 libGL.so -> mesa/libGL.so
[07:43] <yofel> Alia: no idea then, sry
[07:43] <Alia> ln -s nvidia-current/libGL.so libGL.so fixed it
[07:43] <Alia> dunno if that is the correct way of doing it thou
[07:43] <vish> Alia: you can also try asking in #ubuntu-x
[07:44] <vish> ah! nvm, you figured it ;)
[07:46] <KM0201> all right, bed time.. night fellas
[07:46] <KM0201> and gals
[07:47] <bin_bash> night KM0201
[08:05] <bullgard4> How can I get seahorse to remember my gajim login password?
[08:11] <hardcold> I'm missing something, what do I do for the last step here? http://barid42.deviantart.com/art/A-Day-in-the-Life-204881196
[08:12] <hardcold> what do I type?
[08:12] <hardcold> I'm cd'ed at the folder
[08:13] <hardcold> oh, nevermind
[08:13] <hardcold> needed additional software to unzip it
[08:15] <hardcold> bullgard64, speaking of passwords, do you know how to make Skype remember login?
[08:16] <hardcold> because the button isn't working
[08:16] <xiambax> What is the default theming engine for gnome these days
[08:16] <xiambax> still gtk 2?
[08:32] <bin_bash> how to check latency in terminal?
[08:44] <iceroot> bin_bash: ping or what do you mean?
[08:45] <xiambax> can you install gnome 3 on ubuntu yet
[08:45] <bazhang> xiambax, via PPA
[08:47] <bin_bash> so in classic with no effects i can't use the keys to lower the keyboard backlight, but with effects i can. any fix?
[08:54] <thevishy> howz nattty
[09:02] <thevishy> whats ur first impression of natty
[09:03] <bin_bash> it's ok
[09:04] <bin_bash> I wish that there was a way for me to set effects to different levels
[09:04] <bin_bash> like "none" "normal
[09:04] <bin_bash> " and "extra"
[09:05] <bin_bash> in gnome i mean
[09:05] <Guest2355353523> hi
[09:05] <Guest2355353523> help needed
[09:05] <bin_bash> i can't use gnome with effects because it derps everything, but if i set no effects then a lot of stuff doesn't work
[09:05] <bin_bash> Guest2355353523: if you PM me again you'll regret it
[09:05] <bin_bash> What do you need help with
[09:05] <Guest2355353523> bin_bash dont pm me !
[09:06] <Guest2355353523> i need help because i want to know then ubuntu 11.04 does come
[09:07] <bin_bash> what
[09:08] <bin_bash> can you rephrase your question
[09:09] <Guest2355353523> okay well no matter
[09:09] <Guest2355353523> the thing is a bought a very new pc
[09:09] <bin_bash> okat
[09:09] <Guest2355353523> and dont know which version on it
[09:09] <Guest2355353523> kde, gnome ubuntz kubuntu xubuuntu ..
[09:09] <Guest2355353523> dont like unity, more cant sayy
[09:10] <Guest2355353523> want stable and speed
[09:10] <Guest2355353523> new things arent important
[09:11] <Tm_T> then use 10.04
[09:12] <Guest2355353523> ok gnome or ??
[09:12] <Guest2355353523> 32 bit or 64 bit ??
[09:12] <bin_bash> 32 bit is more stable
[09:12] <Tm_T> Guest2355353523: whichever you're familiar with
[09:12] <Tm_T> bin_bash: source?
[09:12] <Guest2355353523> thanks
[09:13] <bin_bash> Tm_T: there's mroe support for it
[09:13] <Guest2355353523> bin_bash thank you very ... gnome or ??
[09:13] <bin_bash> whichever you prefer. personally i prefer gnome to kde
[09:13] <Guest2355353523> ok
[09:13] <Guest2355353523> thanks
[09:14] <Tm_T> bin_bash: more support for/in ...
[09:14] <bin_bash> Tm_T: in general because 32 has been around longer
[09:14] <Tm_T> right
[09:16] <bin_bash> I'm using 64bit because I like being on the bleeding edge. half my hardware doesn't work, but it's the newest and shiniest
[09:20] <SwedeMike> 64bit isn't bleeding edge anymore, at least not for kernel.
[09:21] <yofel> the only issues I know of with 64bit are flash and some 3rd party printer drivers from vendors that don't care to update those
[09:21] <yofel> other than that 64bit works perfectly fine
[09:21] <ssn> hi guys. natty mistakes my touchpad for a touchscreen (absolute vs relative). can you tell me how to solve this? i already reported the bug, but id like a solution now
[09:23] <SwedeMike> 64bit has been officially supported by debian since 4.0, ie 2007.
[09:23] <SwedeMike> so I'd say kernel is well baked by now.
[09:24]  * yofel has been using 64bit since 2007 and almost never had issues
[09:55] <levu> my unity launcher doesn't autohide since the updates yesterday, does anyone else have this problem?
[09:59] <jo-erlend> what is the name of the package the clock indicator comes from? It keeps remembering the last selection between views. I thought I'd report a bug.
[10:01] <levu> jo-erlend: indicator-datetime
[10:02] <jo-erlend> thanks.
[10:05] <bullgard4> How can I get seahorse to remember my gajim login password?
[10:11] <jo-erlend> I tried to add the calculator to the launcher, but it doesn't appear. It does work as expected, however. Can someone confirm this?
[10:13] <jo-erlend> it just appears as an empty space in the launcher here.
[10:15] <jo-erlend> hmm. The same happens with gedit. Hmm. Do they require special icons?
[10:17] <arif-ali> jo-erlend, is this in unity, or classic?
[10:18] <jo-erlend> arand,  the launcher in unity.
[10:19] <jo-erlend> I really love the notifications from the launcher when I'm highlighted, btw :)
[10:19] <arif-ali> right, sorry , I don't use unity (don't like it), so not sure on that
[10:20] <bullgard4> jo-erlend: I can draw-and-drop the calculator icon to the panel without problems.
[10:21] <jo-erlend> bullgard4, thanks. I'm installing updates now. It's been a few days, perhaps it's fixed-.
[10:21] <jo-erlend> arif-ali, I was very sceptical in the beginning, but now I really love it.
[10:22] <jo-erlend> there are many improvements to be made, but I still think it's great.
[10:23] <jo-erlend> btw; what is the package name of the switcher that is displayed when you press super-w?
[10:34] <jo-erlend> I think it would be very nice if that "expose" screen would allow you to switch between open windows by pressing alt+number, and that pressing alt would show the number of the open window. What do you think?
[10:38] <Scarra3> Sup
[10:46] <Oli``> Does anybody know which package the "Classic" panel applets live in? Most of my applets aren't available. I get a nasty error about them not being able to load and then when I try to add new ones to the panel, I can't find them. I'm talking about basic things like the Notification Area, Window List, Clock, etc
[10:48] <jo-erlend> Oli``, I think those belong to the gnome-panel package, but I'm not certain.
[10:49] <Oli``> jo-erlend: That would have been my guess - it's strange that they're not showing up in the Add to Panel dialogue
[10:49] <jo-erlend> gnome-panel applets can of course come from many different packages, but I believe those are standard ones that comes from gnome-panel.
[10:57] <mattwj2002> hey guys
[10:58] <mattwj2002> Gnome 3?
[10:58] <mattwj2002> :D
[11:00] <scoundrel50a> Hi, does anybody know if the backlight problems with some computers has been fixed in the new release, or if it will be fixed by releasse date?
[11:04] <mattwj2002> when is the scheduled release date?
[11:04] <scoundrel50a> 2th April I think
[11:05] <scoundrel50a> 28th, sorry
[11:05] <mattwj2002> nice
[11:05] <mattwj2002> :)
[11:05] <Tm_T> mattwj2002: see the first url in the topic (;
[11:05] <mattwj2002> it'll be weird having a different gui though
[11:05] <mattwj2002> hehe oops
[11:06] <dyllan> I am using 11.04, I used mkinitramfs to build a netboor initrd.img then i forgot to change the netboot back in initramfs.conf file and updated my ubuntu, it pulled in the new kernel 2.6.38.8 and now my pc wont boot from that kernel only the older one. I attempted to remove the kernel from synaptic hoping it would be pulled in again by update manager but alas, how can i rebuild the latest kernel correctly?
[11:07] <jo-erlend> mattwj2002, it takes a little while to get used to, but it's really comfortable and efficient when you do. There are still improvements to be made though.
[11:07] <mattwj2002> okay
[11:07] <mattwj2002> cool
[11:07] <Gurke__> hi questzion
[11:07] <Gurke__> can i use 11.04
[11:08] <arif-ali> Gueke__, you can if you want
[11:08] <mattwj2002> Gurke__: it is a beta
[11:08] <jo-erlend> Gurke__, if you ask that question, then I'd say "no", even though the correct answer is "yes, you can". It's not released yet so it may have bugs.
[11:08] <mattwj2002> I won't recommend it for production
[11:08] <jo-erlend> Gurke__, it _does_ have bugs. :)
[11:08] <mattwj2002> :)
[11:08] <Gurke__> ok
[11:08] <Gurke__> what recommend for PRODUCTION
[11:08] <jo-erlend> I recommend 10.04. That's what I use on my desktop.
[11:09] <scoundrel50a> dyllan: I had the same problem, how far into the boot process did you get? I had a backlight problem, it booted, I could see the log in box, but no light, I am still trying to find out if the backlight problem is fixed or not. if it isnt, it could cause a problem with upgrading for lots of people
[11:09] <jo-erlend> Gurke__, 10.10 is fine too. It just isn't supported as long. It depends on how you like it. I like my work computers stable as long as possible.
[11:09] <Gurke__> jo-erlend kde or gnom e ??
[11:09] <jo-erlend> Gurke__, I use gnome.
[11:09] <Gurke__> ok
[11:09] <dyllan> scoundrel50a, i got as for as it begenning to load the kernel then failing when trying to look for the correct kernel modules, this I could only see when using recovery mode.
[11:10] <dyllan> scoundrel50a, i am goingto try and reinstall the kernel and see if it makes a difference.
[11:10] <scoundrel50a> I tried to do a fresh install, and couldnt even get past the initial ubuntu page, it turned of the backlight almost immediately
[11:10] <jo-erlend> Gurke__, it's a matter of preference. KDE is a good environment too. You should explore all the possibilities and choose which one you like best. Isn't free software wonderful?! :)
[11:10] <mattwj2002> what will be the first long term release with Gnome 3?
[11:11] <mattwj2002> 12.x?
[11:11] <mattwj2002> 12.04
[11:11] <mattwj2002> ?
[11:11] <scoundrel50a> dyllan: nothing worked, I could only use the old kernel as well.
[11:11] <jo-erlend> mattwj2002, yes, most likely.
[11:11] <dyllan> scoundrel50a, ok so it may be something else then
[11:11] <dyllan> scoundrel50a, i was convinced i had broken it.
[11:11] <scoundrel50a> nope, its a conflict with some computerd
[11:11] <mattwj2002> should have a lot of the bugs ironed out by then
[11:11] <dyllan> ok
[11:11] <mattwj2002> :)
[11:12] <mattwj2002> probably not the tightvncserver one though
[11:12] <mattwj2002> :P
[11:12] <jo-erlend> mattwj2002, I hope and think they'll focus on getting it into 11.10 and then polish it for 12.04.
[11:12] <scoundrel50a> and I am not even sure it will get fixed either from what I am hearing
[11:12] <mattwj2002> sounds good
[11:12] <dyllan> scoundrel50a, well then I guess they will just push a new kernel through?
[11:12] <Gurke__> somebody here, who using 10.10 to o ????
[11:12] <scoundrel50a> I am hoping, I like the new layout,
[11:13] <jo-erlend> Gurke__, this channel is about 11.04. Other questions belong in #ubuntu.
[11:13] <dyllan> up me too
[11:13] <dyllan> yup*
[11:14] <scoundrel50a> Gurke_: try  #ubuntu they answer questions about 10.10
[11:14] <mattwj2002> I love Ubuntu's 6 month release cycle
[11:14] <jo-erlend> mattwj2002, I play with the in betweens, but I really love the 24month cycle more.
[11:15] <Gurke__> i hate
[11:15] <Gurke__> only 18 months support
[11:15] <jo-erlend> Gurke__, sounds like you want to stick with LTS's.
[11:17] <jo-erlend> lunch! :)
[11:23] <Kurisutian> hey guys! I'm trying to install the latest natty-server beta2 release on a btrfs rootfs but this seems to be impossible. Is there anything known about that? Other fs are fine but I need to use btrfs because of some project here on university.... :-)
[11:25] <scoundrel50a> yes, there are still huge bugs in it. Backlight problems, live cd not installing, I gave up. I am still trying to find out if these problems will be fixecd before the final release next week
[11:25] <Milos_SD> Hi
[11:26] <Milos_SD> What file system should I use when installing Ubuntu 11.04 on Asus Eee 4G surf (4GB SSD)?
[11:26] <scoundrel50a> I would wait until the final release, tis very buggy at the moment
[11:27] <Milos_SD> schmidtm, it is not buggy at my desktop :)
[11:27] <Milos_SD> and it works the best from LiveUSB
[11:27] <Milos_SD> I tried Ubuntu 10.10 Netbook editon
[11:27] <Milos_SD> and it was slow
[11:27] <Milos_SD> but 11.04 with Unity3D works great
[11:28] <Milos_SD> only I don't know what file system do I use on SSD?
[11:28] <Milos_SD> ext2?
[11:28] <Milos_SD> or ext4 with noattime or something?
[11:30]  * yofel uses ext4 with noatime,discard (latter is for TRIM)
[11:30] <yofel> which such an old SSD probably doesn't have
[11:32] <Kurisutian> does anyone use btrfs as rootfs?
[11:32] <yofel> I know there are a few who do, but not me at least
[11:33] <Kurisutian> so no experience with the installation of ubuntu-server on it? I'm having major problems with the installer and btrfs.... :-(
[11:38] <Kurisutian> who can I talk to in order to find out what causes the weird behaviour of the installer?
[11:42] <Milos_SD> lol
[11:43] <Milos_SD> Natty doesn't give me option to install becouse "computer doesn't have at least 4.4 GB available drive space"...
[11:43] <Milos_SD> I can't continue installation :@
[11:43] <Milos_SD> that is stupid... :@
[11:44] <yofel> heh, the alternate installer might work I guess
[11:44] <mongy> I thought the minumum was 2.7gb?
[11:44] <mongy> minimum*
[11:44] <Milos_SD> not for 11.04 I guess :(
[12:35]  * KM0201 says "Good Morning!" to the channel
[12:36] <Milos_SD> alternate installer rocks :D
[12:37] <step21> KM0201: late morning? (at least it would be here)
[12:37]  * yofel gets the feeling KM0201 didn't sleep much
[12:37] <KM0201> step21: :)... 740 a.m here in Indy
[12:37] <yofel> good morning
[12:37] <KM0201> yofel: lol, i only sleep about 3-4hrs a day.... I have "issues".. :)
[12:38] <KM0201> and i've got a little time off right now, so its even worse... i went to bed at 250 this mroning, and woke up at 7, just got out of the shower.
[12:38] <KM0201> plus, how could i sleep knowing that people were probbaly asing questions in +1 that probably wren't being answered...lol.
[12:39] <step21> KM0201: good morning then :)
[12:39] <KM0201> step21: well, i'm guessing its at least good afternoon for you.. :)
[12:39] <step21> KM0201: it's like a void that want to be filled ...
[12:39] <step21> 2 pm almost, feels like 5
[12:54] <KM0201> w00t, no new upgrades yet
[12:54] <step21> KM0201: is that good or bad?
[12:54] <KM0201> step21: it just means Shuttleworth is still in a slumber.. :)
[12:55] <KM0201> step21: i did a bunch at about 220am.. so i didn't really expect any after just 4-5hrs.
[12:55] <adrian_kx> a million dollars question
[12:55]  * KM0201 offers .02 cent answers
[12:55] <adrian_kx> why when changing stock distro kernel to upper version from lkernel ppa my battery indicator doesnt work
[12:56] <adrian_kx> 2.6.39 rc3 compiled for natty
[12:56] <KM0201> adrian_kx: is battery indicator installed?.. thats the only thing i could think of.
[12:56] <adrian_kx> yes is installed by default
[12:56] <adrian_kx> if i revert to stock kernel my estimating time is there
[12:56] <step21> KM0201: who knows ... the system never sleeps ^^
[12:57] <KM0201> :)
[12:57] <KM0201> adrian_kx: dunno, that is weird...
[12:57] <adrian_kx> it happend on 10.10 too
[12:57] <adrian_kx> everything works fine
[12:57] <adrian_kx> or better
[12:57] <adrian_kx> but i dont get estimating batter time
[12:58] <adrian_kx> or charge time
[12:58] <KM0201> adrian_kx: if it happened on 10.,10 also, then that suggests something is getting left out while you compile the kernel.. but that is just my guess...
[12:58] <step21> btw ... anyone tried natty in vmware? I have it in virtualbox but while it runs with unity, freezes quite often (and I think it's virtual box' fault)
[12:58] <KM0201> step21: most people can't even get it to boot (i couldn't either)
[12:58] <adrian_kx> my guess is that modules dont update fully to use new kernel
[12:58] <adrian_kx> i`ll post on phoronix:)
[12:58] <adrian_kx> maybe some hardcore geeks will help me:)
[12:58] <step21> KM0201: which one?
[12:59] <KM0201> step21: natty in vbox.
[13:00] <KM0201> i think the biggest problem is, natty defaulting to a 3D desktop, which Vbox has issues with.  I think when Unity 2D is also included on the CD, and the CD can default to Unity 2D when 3D doesn't work, Vbox will be fine again.. but thats probably gonna be 11.10
[13:01] <step21> KM0201: well it takes some fixing because I had to install extensions from ubuntu repo, which apparently is a bad thing to do but it worked. Also maybe I cheated because I transitioned a wubi install of 10.04 and updated that ... though not sure if that makes it better or worse. And then not to forget to enable 3D accel (after finding out update for some reason didn't install unity)
[13:02] <step21> and it doesn't like if you have switchable graphics and switch to another card
[13:02] <KM0201> step21: hm, yeah.. you got real lucky.. most who tried "Live CD" installs in Vbox.,.. it wouldn't eve boot.
[13:03] <adrian_kx> who likes unity?:D
[13:03] <KM0201> there's been several here complaining about that... like i said.. my personal opinion, that has to do w/ with the live CD defaulting to a 3D OS... i think if you used the Alt. CD in vbox, it would probably be fine
[13:03] <adrian_kx> i personaly used classic desktop on natty
[13:03] <KM0201> adrian_kx: i didn't like it at first... but it is really growing on me
[13:03] <step21> KM0201: well update was mucked up at first, but then so was the install because apparently it installed to the disk without a part. table, which works but grub doesn't install ... argh. so took some work but it works
[13:03] <step21> I like it
[13:03] <domjohnson> Hello
[13:04] <domjohnson> How stable is Ubuntu/Xubuntu 11.04 now?
[13:04] <KM0201> step21: hmm, yeah, it tookk me some time to get used to.. but.. like i said, it is growing on me
[13:04] <KM0201> domjohnson: its beta
[13:05] <yofel> domjohnson: it's beta, but works for me, both kubuntu and xubuntu
[13:05] <domjohnson> ok
[13:05] <domjohnson> Cheers :)
[13:06] <KM0201> !works4me
[13:06] <KM0201> :)
[13:06] <KM0201> woops
[13:06] <KM0201> surprised they removed that one
[13:06] <KM0201> !works
[13:06] <KM0201> :)
[13:06] <yofel> hm...
[13:06] <yofel> !wfm
[13:06] <yofel> :)
[13:07] <KM0201> there we go..lol
[13:07] <KM0201> i knew it was one of those.
[13:08] <yofel> still, it would be good to get at least more people to test the live disks, as we only have 2 days left to fix any issues there, after that we get some final testing on the release image builds and some possibly critical fixes. After that the disks can't be changed anymore
[13:09] <adrian_kx> 10 days left and still i have crashes off bugs reported in alpha3
[13:09] <adrian_kx> and video performance at this stage is lower than 10.10 with xorg edgers
[13:10] <adrian_kx> hope gets magicaly fixed after easter
[13:13] <phibxr> adrian_kx, fixing bugs is one thing, fixing hope though...
[13:13] <adrian_kx> :)
[13:14] <adrian_kx> my bet is that it will get in shape in 2-3 weeks after release:P
[13:14] <adrian_kx> i tested live iso
[13:14] <adrian_kx> and all go well now
[13:15] <adrian_kx> installing restricted content had ia32 libs dependency problem but its fixed now as i can see
[13:15] <phibxr> adrian_kx, I think I have to count myself to the Works for me-crew. haven't had any issues since beta 1. which also means that I don't have anything useful to report or contribute with really. :/
[13:15] <adrian_kx> u lucky
[13:15] <adrian_kx> i need and intel machine
[13:15] <phibxr> adrian_kx, hehe, intel and nvidia here. ;)
[13:15] <adrian_kx> my dam crappy amd athlon neo x2 base lappy and 3200 igp sucks
[13:16] <adrian_kx> i`ll go for sandy bridge next time:D
[13:16] <adrian_kx> amd is all talk and no work:)
[13:16] <Debolaz> The only things I've experienced of problems really has been compiz related.
[13:17] <adrian_kx> policy package kit errors once in a whil
[13:17] <adrian_kx> e
[13:17] <Debolaz> But with compiz now actually being used for something other than unecessary eyecandy, hopefully there will be enough eyes on compiz to actually make it stable.
[13:17] <KM0201> phibxr: thats my issue... my problems have been very very *VERY* minor... the "walking window" in unity' seems to be the biggest..lol
[13:18] <adrian_kx> i`ll never use unity
[13:18] <phibxr> KM0201, walking window? :)
[13:18] <KM0201> adrian_kx: its good once you get used to it, it just takes a lot of time.
[13:18] <Debolaz> I do wish however that Unity had better visual cues in certain situations.
[13:18] <adrian_kx> i have a thinkpad with a track pad and i hardly ever use mouse actions
[13:18] <adrian_kx> for me a interface based on click click click is ugly:)
[13:19] <Debolaz> For instance, if an application wants my attention, there is really no obvious way for me to know which one it is if I miss the initial cue. There should be some clear indicator that this or that program flashed.
[13:19] <phibxr> adrian_kx, unity has really good keyboard interaction. :)
[13:19] <Debolaz> That really is my biggest annoyance with Unity design wise.
[13:19] <adrian_kx> old habbits die hard
[13:19] <KM0201> phibxr: its really hard to explain... a video explains it bestt.... http://s82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/IndyGunFreak/?action=view&current=demo.mp4
[13:20] <adrian_kx> its an old romanian say the shortest road is the one u know best
[13:20] <adrian_kx> but these days everyone is trying so hard to reinvent the wheel
[13:21] <phibxr> KM0201, hmm. strange. i can't make my desktop exhibit that behaviour. perhaps it's been fixed during the past few days?
[13:21] <KM0201> phibxr: negative, just checked, still doing the same thing
[13:21] <phibxr> KM0201, it sure looks annoying. :/
[13:22] <Debolaz> Actually, is it configurable to get better visual cues when programs wants attention? (Like someone said something on IRC while I was away)
[13:22] <KM0201> phibxr: eh, its only annoying if you're maximizing windows a lot.
[13:22] <KM0201> i only found it by acciddnet
[13:23] <KM0201> when every you "minimize" them, they start to walk off the workspace, eventually ending up on another one
[13:50] <g0rby> Hello, I really liked the context menu functionality on the top pannel in 11.04 but really didnt like the big icon bar on the left so i switched back to classic in GDM. Would there be a way for me to still get the active window context menu on the top pannel + the normal stuff u see there in classic?
[13:53] <g0rby> Am i really wierd in wanting a setup like that or something? :P
[13:53] <KM0201> g0rby: not that i know of.
[13:53] <KM0201> naa, not weird... "Different Strokes for Different Folks" :)
[13:54] <g0rby> it must just do something weird to a pannel but you cant see that in the pannel properties in the 'new' mode
[13:55] <g0rby> I use AWN anyway (the mac os like doc bar) , that plus the context menu on the top pannel would just be awesome, then you get your whole screen space for the active window whilst still retaining access to what you need
[13:56] <g0rby> the reason the default one sux imo is it just takes too much room
[14:00] <KM0201> g0rby: well, Unity is still new, and there's bound to be changes.. honestly, i wouldn't expect Unity to be "good" until probably 11.10, or maybe even 12.04 (we've discussed this here quite a bit)
[14:02] <g0rby> i just like to fiddle :)
[14:07] <KM0201> g0rby: nothing wrong with that... :)
[14:07] <Debolaz> Unity++ # For my netbook anyway, havent tested it on desktop.
[14:15] <KM0201> Debolaz: i kinda like unity.. didn't at first, but do now.
[14:23] <KM0201> Dejecting: where are you anyway?
[14:24] <Dejecting> San Antonio, TX
[14:24] <KM0201> ah, ok.. Indiana,.
[14:24] <Dejecting> wow, 11.04 is incredibly sexy
[14:25] <KM0201> Dejecting: yeah, its actually pretty good.. unity gets its share of complaints (the GUI w/ the sidebar)... bu tits not bad once you get used to it.
[14:26] <Dejecting> I like it actually.  nice change of pace and looks pretty
[14:26] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:26] <KM0201> yup.. its not perfect, i suspect it will be much better by 11.10, or maybe 12.04...  but obviously, they gotta get it out there to be tested.
[14:26] <KM0201> BluesKaj: yo :)
[14:27] <BluesKaj> hey KM0201 :) , what's news today ?
[14:27] <KM0201> BluesKaj: well, i've not had to update/upgrade this morning..lol... so 5hrs since the last round..
[14:28] <scoundrel50a> I just wondered, has the backlight problem been fixed in Beta 2 Natty?
[14:28] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: what backlight problem?
[14:29] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: i'vec had no backlight problems...
[14:29] <scoundrel50a> well, I tried to upgrade the other day, and got through the upgrade process via Update Manager, got to log in screen, and no backlight. Tried quite a few things, remove splahs, Fn+< and a few other things, and nothing.
[14:29] <BluesKaj> KM0201, the OS seems to be working quite smoothly here so far ..hope I don't have to eat those words later  :)
[14:29] <scoundrel50a> Even tried Fresh install, got to Ubuntu screen, and nothing
[14:30] <scoundrel50a> couldnt install
[14:30] <KM0201> BluesKaj: Shuttleworth is breaking your system as we speak.
[14:30] <scoundrel50a> there is something in Ubuntu Forums about it, quite a few people are having the same problems
[14:30] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: couldn't clean install?.. that doesn't really make sense.... i've read soem problems w/ some folks and upgrading (don't recall reading the backlight issue)...
[14:30] <KM0201> hmm.
[14:31] <scoundrel50a> KM0201: its not just me, many more having same problem with Fresh install.
[14:31] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: oh i highly doubted its just you.
[14:31] <scoundrel50a> I had to delete Natty, and go back to Maverick
[14:31] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: personally, my fresh install as easy-peasy
[14:31] <scoundrel50a> wish mine waS
[14:32] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: just curious.. what was the problem.. when you clean installed?
[14:32] <scoundrel50a> KM0201: I couldnt get past the first Ubuntu screen, it litterally went back, and stopped the install
[14:32] <BluesKaj> yeah , had a strange issuw with synaptiks touchpad installing ob my desktop pc , never encountered that before with other releases.
[14:32] <Dejecting> KM0201: Thanks again for the help.  Gonna go catch some sleep, got work in the PM (3rd shifter)
[14:33] <KM0201> Dejecting: ok man.. good luck w/ it... later
[14:33] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: so the machine never actually booted the live CD?(to the desktop).. that suggests you probably had an issue w/ either the burn, the drive, or the 3D driver.. since Ubuntu uses 3D by default now.
[14:33] <BluesKaj> maybe there are some HW detection probs
[14:34] <scoundrel50a> I wondered if it might have been a Beta 1 thing, havent tried Beta 2 yet
[14:34] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: whats your graphics device on that machine
[14:34] <iocor> what is "natty-proposed"?
[14:34] <KM0201> !proposed
[14:34] <KM0201> hmm, that needs added.. :)
[14:34] <scoundrel50a> I am using 3D with Compiz, Intel GMA4500
[14:35] <KM0201> hmm, i know someone yesterday was having an issue w/ an Intel chipset... i think it was a 3500 though...
[14:35] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: did you try the alt. cd?
[14:35] <scoundrel50a> did they get around it?
[14:35] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: honestly id on't recall...
[14:36] <KM0201> but i remember some talk chatter about it.. lemme go back through my log
[14:36] <scoundrel50a> I did, but it wanted to install over the windows partition, and I couldnt find out how not to do that
[14:36] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: you got another PC to use while installing?
[14:36] <scoundrel50a> yes
[14:36] <KM0201> ok, well come here on the other PC, and boot the alt. cd on the machine
[14:36] <KM0201> we'll talk through it.. i'm pretty familiar w/ the alt cd
[14:37] <iocor> KM0201, but what is it?
[14:37] <KM0201> iocor: what is what?
[14:37] <iocor> natty-proposed
[14:37] <rocky> is there a decent way to install internet explorer 8 in ubuntu (via wine) on maverick/natty these days?
[14:37] <KM0201> !info ie4linux
[14:38] <KM0201> nope. lol
[14:38] <rocky> KM0201: i think ie4linux has basically fallen by the wayside
[14:38] <KM0201> rocky: for the better, IMO.
[14:38] <KM0201> why do you need IE8?
[14:38] <scoundrel50a> got rid, will have to reburn, do you have the address to the alt cd?
[14:38] <rocky> KM0201: i'm doing website dev and need to view the output on IE8 :(
[14:38] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: hang on, lemme find it
[14:38] <scoundrel50a> k
[14:39] <KM0201> poor bin-bash, her internet connection is as flaky as they come
[14:39] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: obviously, look for alternate in the ISO name... http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/DVDs/ubuntu/11.04/beta-2/
[14:40] <scoundrel50a> ok, give me a couple of minutes to burn, and I'll be back.
[14:40] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: thats cool
[14:41] <scoundrel50a> is this the version I need? 64-bit PC (AMD64) install/live DVD Its a 64bit machine
[14:42] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: you can use 64bit... sometimes 32bit hardware detection/drivers, is a bit more "robust".. so if you've got some oddball hardware that may not have a 64bit driver.. i'd go w/ 32bit (or if you have less than 4gigs of ram, i'd go 32)
[14:43] <scoundrel50a> so you can run 32 bit on a 63bit machine, yes?
[14:43] <scoundrel50a> 64bit, sorry
[14:43] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: of course.. (but not vice versa)
[14:43] <scoundrel50a> ok, will try the 32 bit then, one sec
[14:44] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: yeah, if you don't have over 4gigs of ram. really, 64bit isn't gonna do much for you other than just be annoying
[14:44] <KM0201> thats personal opinion of course.. i'm sure there's more than 1 that disagrees w/ me
[14:51] <scoundrel50a> KM0201: downloading now, its taking a while. Sorry about that> I'm running 10.10 64 bit right now, and its running smooth, how you going to do this, run it side by side, or install over the top.
[14:51] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: well, how do you want to do it?
[14:52] <scoundrel50a> if I ran it side by side, that would mean three partitions, how would that work.
[14:52] <KM0201> honestly.. don't really know, i've never triple booted
[14:54] <scoundrel50a> ok, there ,may be a slight problem in installing this, when I installed 11.04, and it didnt work, I installed 10.10 again alongside with a triple boot, then deleted 11.04 but
[14:55] <scoundrel50a> the swap emnded up being last, not before the 10.10 partition so might need to be moved
[14:55] <KM0201> well, "where" the swap is.. isn't a big deal
[14:55] <scoundrel50a> oh, right, I thought it might have been a problem
[14:56] <scoundrel50a> I just needed to tell you. Still waiting for the image to downlaod
[14:56] <KM0201> so do you want to delete 10.10, and install 11.04 over it...(and over the "old" 11.04 partition).. or do you want to triple boot, or what?
[14:57] <BluesKaj> scoundrel50a, excuse me for interrupting , but what are you trying to achieve or is it avoid ?
[14:57] <scoundrel50a> old 11.04 deleted, which is how the swap ended up being in the wrong place, I know next to nothing about partitioning, and just learnt as I went along
[14:57] <KM0201> BluesKaj: trying to install 11.04, had problems w/ th elive cd, so we're gonna try the alt. cd
[14:58] <scoundrel50a> We can install over 10.10, not much on it.
[14:58] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: the swap isn't really in the 'wrong place'.. its not gonna hurt anything being at the end of the partition.. now again, are you wanting to delete 10.10, and jsut have a machine w/ windows and 11.04, or do you want to triple boot it?
[14:58] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: ok.. that sounds good..
[14:58] <scoundrel50a> windows and 11.04 if we can get it to work, lol
[14:58] <KM0201> i think we can...
[14:58] <KM0201> :)
[14:59] <scoundrel50a> ok, still downloading, gonna get a coffee, brb
[14:59] <KM0201> ok
[14:59] <BluesKaj> KM0201, ok good idea , HW brecof=gnition is becoming a prob ith some computers , especilly older ones like my compaq desktop amd 3200+venice processor
[14:59] <BluesKaj> HW recognition
[15:00] <KM0201> BluesKaj: yea... it hink when 11.10 come sout, and machines can default to unity-2D.. it'll be better.. i think thats the issue right now, is everything defaults to unity-3D... and if hardware doesn't support it, you're hosed on the live cd
[15:01] <BluesKaj> KM0201, this was a kubuntu install, so we're probly talking anything above kde 4.4
[15:01] <KM0201> BluesKaj: ah ok.. i'm pretty sure he's installing Ubuntu..
[15:04] <scoundrel50a> ok, just to make sure, I downloaded the natty alternative i386.iso cd image is that right now? If it is I can burn it
[15:04] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: yup.
[15:04] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: also... burn it as slow as possible
[15:04] <scoundrel50a> ok, give me a couple of minutes, and I will be back again
[15:05] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: thats fine
[15:06] <scoundrel50a> going to move over to other machine too, so will log out and log back in again,
[15:06] <BluesKaj> KM0201, there seems to be a similar problem with the 2 major flavours of ubuntu . My older pc dodn't respond to the ubuintu 10.04 live cd either , just got stuck at the plymouth .....dots and refused to go any further
[15:06] <KM0201> BluesKaj: hmm, thats weird, haven't really noticed an issue w/ it being an issue on 10.04
[15:07] <BluesKaj> KM0201, I've had to use the " alternate" for the last 3 releases on my older desktop
[15:08] <scoundrel50a> I'm back, about to burn cd
[15:08] <KM0201> BluesKaj: yah.. i think i'm gonna have to use the alternative on my desktop for 11.04 (dual screens.. i imagine it won't work on the live cd, but not tried it yet).. so i'll go alternate
[15:08] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: ok..
[15:10] <scoundrel50a> ok, bruning at slowest speed, estimatred finish time 7 minutes
[15:10] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: np.. i'm not going anywhere
[15:11] <scoundrel50a> thank you, I really appreciate the help
[15:11] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: no biggie, not doing anything
[15:14] <BluesKaj> <--- done any alternate installs scoundrel50a , so any questions , just fire away ..between KM0201 and me I'm sure you'll find the help you need
[15:14] <BluesKaj> err many
[15:14]  * BluesKaj checks KB batteries again
[15:14] <KM0201> BluesKaj: yeah.. it should be pretty easy.... in his situation.. all we gotta do is delete his old linux partitions, and put 11.04 in their place
[15:15] <sweb> GNOME 3 is installed by defaulot on Ubuntu 11.04 ?
[15:15] <KM0201> sweb: no
[15:15] <KM0201> Unity
[15:15] <BluesKaj> KM0201, did you suggest a /home partition?
[15:15] <sweb> KM0201, i can install it from start of installation
[15:15] <sweb> ?
[15:15] <Udonnome> guys,can someone share few words about the new ubuntu(11.04 Alpha 4 Candidate,btw not sure how new it is),i am thinking to try it,but lots of ppl claim that is way buggy and glitchy
[15:15] <KM0201> BluesKaj: no.. i usually don't do that.. he didn't mention wanting to do it.. hasn't even booted the cd yet..
[15:16] <coz_> sweb,    compiz is installed by default and used in the Unity desktop in place of mutter which gome3 uses
[15:16] <BluesKaj> KM0201, ok
[15:16] <coz_> sweb,   gome3 will break Unity on natty
[15:16] <BluesKaj> no point in complicating matters
[15:17] <scoundrel50a> KM0201: just out of a matter of interest, what is a home partition? I think I did that with 10.10, is that installing it to /
[15:17] <sweb> coz_, I hop to GNOME 3 with Firefox 4 on next v of ubuntu, :(
[15:17] <scoundrel50a> what is the difference, adn what is easier?
[15:17] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: no, you put your /home (which stores user configuration stuff) on a sepparate partition.
[15:17] <coz_> sweb,   firefox 4 is default but not gnome3
[15:18] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: i've never really put /home on a separate partition... BluesKaj could probably answer more about it.. i just use swap and / and away i go.. :)
[15:18] <coz_> sweb,   have you seen videos of  ubuntu 11.04  yet?
[15:18] <sweb> coz_, not yet
[15:18] <coz_> sweb,   go to youtube  check it out  ,, you may be pleased
[15:18] <sweb> coz_, but i following vid of GNOME 3
[15:18] <scoundrel50a> I recognise the second option you mentioned, which is what I did, so we can do that again this time
[15:19] <scoundrel50a> got about 1/2 minute left i think
[15:19] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: np.
[15:19] <coz_> sweb,  follow  11.04 unity desktop and see if you like it
[15:19] <KM0201> sweb: here's the default desktop,...  (well basically anyway).. http://imagebin.org/149041
[15:19] <KM0201> thats unity, not gnome 3
[15:19] <BluesKaj> KM0201, scoundrel50a , the / is for the actual OS and /home is for your data , config, media etc files , then you just install to / when doing a clean install without losing any data
[15:20] <BluesKaj> when upgrading
[15:20] <scoundrel50a> ok, finished, I will reboot to the cd and then you can tell me what to do.
[15:20] <eagles0513875> hey bluefox83
[15:20] <KM0201> i've never put /home on a partition.. but i know lots of folks do.. i guess ymmv when doing that.. i never upgrade, just clean install.. so i don't care
[15:20] <eagles0513875> hey yofel
[15:20] <scoundrel50a> BluesKaj: ah I see
[15:20] <eagles0513875> yofel: i think that bug i reported should be a high urgency
[15:20] <sweb> coz_, thank U
[15:21] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: ok.
[15:21] <yofel> eagles0513875: *which* one, I'm loosing track of who reported which bug these days...
[15:21] <scoundrel50a> rebooting now
[15:21] <eagles0513875> yofel: bug #765057
[15:21] <eagles0513875> the network manager crashing
[15:21] <nijabo> I hope they fix the network issues I've had with Natty for the finished release. Because I really want to upgrade
[15:21] <scoundrel50a> yay, got the Language page up,
[15:22] <BluesKaj> KM0201, one can still clean install, it's just that you clean intstall to / while leaving /home alone ...scuse the pun :)
[15:22] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: ok.. jsut answer the basic questions, till you get to the partition stage
[15:22] <scoundrel50a> ok,
[15:22] <KM0201> BluesKaj: yeah, i know.. i've just never done it that way.. i have no logical reason why i haven't...
[15:23] <yofel> eagles0513875: hm, I guess I can agree with that
[15:23]  * KM0201 has had no issues w/ network manager crashing
[15:24] <eagles0513875> yofel: im stuck not being able to test a kernel that will fix another issue im having
[15:24] <coz_> ok natty is just too strange on my one system... I am going to unintall it for now until more stable,, trying other netbooks in the meatime...sorry guys  ,, doesnt work well on one system :(
[15:24] <eagles0513875> what can i do yofel to facilitate a fix for that bug
[15:24] <jon4248> Natty works well on my Acer Aspire one D250, very well
[15:25] <nitroxidus> Hi.I have Ubuntu 11.04 Beta when Ubuntu 11.04 comes out on 27 april and when I upgrade to it will it remember all configs apps installed.
[15:25] <scoundrel50a> ok, this is odd, it says configure the network, and its asking me to enter a host name, what does that mean?
[15:25] <nijabo> Does anyone else have had problems with finding your Wifi network on 11.04?
[15:25] <charlie-tca> !final | nitroxidus
[15:25] <jon4248> nitroxidus, yes
[15:25] <nitroxidus> jupi
[15:25] <BluesKaj> scoundrel50a, the name you want to give the computer
[15:25] <nitroxidus> dont have to reinstal everything again
[15:26] <KM0201> ^^ yup
[15:26] <nitroxidus> thanks.
[15:26] <KM0201> sorry, i had to step away for a sec
[15:26] <nitroxidus> ubottu how do ou write so fast
[15:26] <nitroxidus> i can play the piano but can not type that fast
[15:27] <jon4248> nitroxidus, i think maybe copy paste
[15:27] <nitroxidus> do u use speach recognition
[15:27] <nitroxidus> :)
[15:27] <nitroxidus> ou
[15:27] <jon4248> ohh bot
[15:27] <nitroxidus> ahhaha
[15:27] <flopex> anyone know how to disable keyring under ubuntu 11.04?(it is getting a little annoying)
[15:27] <nitroxidus> i get it
[15:27] <nitroxidus> lol im stupid
[15:27] <nitroxidus> Thanks everyone
[15:27] <scoundrel50a> ok, got to partitioner, and its not gui, so what do I do now
[15:27] <nitroxidus> Have a nice day
[15:27] <nitroxidus> :)
[15:27] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: well first.. tell us the partitions you currently have.
[15:28] <diegoviola> hi
[15:28] <jon4248> hi
[15:28] <diegoviola> ubuntu will use gnome3 or unity?
[15:28] <KM0201> !hi
[15:28] <diegoviola> in the future
[15:28] <jon4248> unity
[15:28] <KM0201> diegoviola: unity...
[15:28] <scoundrel50a> KM0201: ok, well 1 to 4 is wondows partition, 5 and 6 is ubuntu,
[15:29] <KM0201> ok... thats easy enough..
[15:29] <jon4248> unity 4ever
[15:29] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: which one is swap?
[15:29] <scoundrel50a> but, 6
[15:29] <KM0201> but?
[15:29] <yofel> eagles0513875: no idea, esp. since the line that seems to fail is "connection->setOrigin(QLatin1String("ConnectionListPersistence"));" and I don't get how that would crash like this (or I'm reading the trace wrong)
[15:29] <scoundrel50a> I was going to say something before you asked the qestion, but answered.
[15:29] <KM0201> oh ok.
[15:30] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: and how large is yoru swap
[15:30] <eagles0513875> yofel: what package dbg package do i need ot install to get a better trace
[15:30] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: like i said earlier, it doesn't really matter that swap is "after" the main / partition
[15:30] <scoundrel50a> it was tiny, 4. something gigs I think
[15:30] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: you should be able to see it, and it'll tell you its size, you just wann amake sure its not to small
[15:30] <yofel> eagles0513875: apport took care of that (nice surprise to see it working for a change...) https://launchpadlibrarian.net/69835052/Stacktrace.txt
[15:30] <KM0201> especially if you're low on system ram
[15:30] <zniavre_> damned i starting to like unity ...after 3 mounths
[15:31] <bin_bash> KM0201: I've come across a new problem without fx!
[15:31] <eagles0513875> yofel: ok i was worried i was missing a dbg package or somethign
[15:31] <KM0201> zniavre_: lol, took me about 4-5 days.
[15:31] <eagles0513875> oh someone responded to th ebug let me read the email yofel
[15:31] <KM0201> bin_bash: ok.. hang on just a sec.. talking someone through the alt. cd install (or pose the questino to the class)
[15:31] <eagles0513875> yofel: did you just change the status to high
[15:31] <yofel> eagles0513875: I did
[15:31] <bin_bash> OH FUN
[15:31] <eagles0513875> aHH Ok
[15:31] <KM0201> :)
[15:31] <bin_bash> Nah I have to go in a minute. Just realized tht fx do more than I thought.
[15:32] <KM0201> ugh.
[15:32] <KM0201> is it a big problem?
[15:32] <BluesKaj> scoundrel50a, what size ithe 5th partition?
[15:32] <BluesKaj> is the
[15:32] <eagles0513875> hey bluefox83 :)
[15:32] <eagles0513875> bluefox83:
[15:32] <scoundrel50a> KM0201: bit of a problem, it doesnt give that option, 5th partition was about 100 gigs
[15:32] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj:
[15:32] <KM0201> hmm... and it doesn't show how big the swap is?
[15:32] <KM0201> well, if its around 4gigs, it should be OK...
[15:33] <eagles0513875> yofel: seems like the trace is incomplete i reported it and didnt have the debug package installed
[15:33] <scoundrel50a> ok, one sec, I'lltry take a picture of what I see, its not GUI, has 7 options
[15:33] <yofel> eagles0513875: the first trace from you is incomplete, the retraced one isn't
[15:33] <eagles0513875> yofel: why not make the dbg packages installed by default
[15:33] <eagles0513875> ahh ok
[15:33] <eagles0513875> cuz im installing the dbg packages
[15:33] <KM0201> ok..
[15:33] <eagles0513875> to see if i can make heads or tales of it
[15:34] <KM0201> !screenshot > scoundrel50a
[15:34] <BluesKaj> scoundrel50a, choose the 5th , make it ext 4 , then choose mount point as /  and format if you need to .
[15:34] <KM0201> BluesKaj: thats what i ws trying to get at, but now all of a sudden he's taking pictures..lol
[15:34] <yofel> eagles0513875: erm... the debugging packages are usually larger than the actual binary packages. So not stripping debug symbols would make an installation require over twice the current amount of disk space
[15:35] <eagles0513875> yofel: tbh i woudl rather strip apps and install them later and have an empty desktop then this would take the debug packages tbh
[15:36] <yofel> well, *usually* you don't have to care about that, apport retraces the package with the debugging symbols, and we add a debug package installer to drkonqi for kubuntu
[15:36] <yofel> you might of course have to add the dbgsym repositories if needed yourself
[15:37] <BluesKaj> scoundrel50a, once you've done that , choose finished with partitioning , write changes.
[15:38] <KM0201> BluesKaj: i think he went away unexpectedly.. not sure why he wants to take a picture, i think we had a pretty good idea what his screen said (or at least id di)
[15:38] <scoundrel50a> http://imagebin.org/149050 sorry was trying to take a pic to show you what I see, here is the image
[15:39] <scoundrel50a> on a netbook, so things are slow
[15:39] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: choose manual
[15:39] <KM0201> sorry bout that
[15:39] <KM0201> now you shoudl see your partitions, and their sizes
[15:39] <scoundrel50a> ok, that is better,
[15:39] <KM0201> :)
[15:39] <scoundrel50a> got all the sizes now
[15:39] <Milos_SD> How can I change run command for some application in Unity?
[15:39] <KM0201> ok.. how big is your swap?
[15:39] <Milos_SD> I need to add some flags to Chrome
[15:40] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: how big is your swap?
[15:40] <scoundrel50a> swap is #5 and its 5 gigs
[15:40] <KM0201> ok, thats good.
[15:40] <KM0201> so go down to #6... and hit "Enter"..
[15:40] <KM0201> and that will take you to another screen
[15:40] <scoundrel50a> #6 is logical, which is ubuntu and its 172gigs
[15:40] <scoundrel50a> ok
[15:40] <KM0201> thats fine.
[15:40] <KM0201> now on the next screen.. whats it say?
[15:41] <scoundrel50a> it says you are editing partition #6, This partition is formatted with the EXt 4 journaling file system, settings Use as: do not use
[15:42] <scoundrel50a> then it says bootable flag off
[15:42] <KM0201> ok... is ther a "format this partition" option?
[15:42] <KM0201> wait, i don't think its right there...
[15:42] <KM0201> come to think of it.
[15:42] <scoundrel50a> then resizeok,will take pic again, one sec
[15:42] <KM0201> no.. thats ok
[15:43] <KM0201> i know roughly where you're at.
[15:43] <KM0201> lol
[15:43] <KM0201> lol
[15:47] <BluesKaj> scoundrel50a, click on use as , then choose ext4 , then click on mount point , choose /
[15:48] <rocky> where does unity store the .desktop files (or whatever it uses) for the left-side launcher ? (ie when you pin one of your already-running apps)
[15:48] <scoundrel50a> http://imagebin.org/149055 this is what I see now
[15:48] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: hit enter on "Use As".. and change it to "ext4"
[15:48] <charlie-tca> rocky: should be in /usr/share/applciations
[15:48] <scoundrel50a> ok
[15:48] <rocky> charlie-tca: well i meant the per-user ones
[15:49] <charlie-tca> can I ask why someone that can not run the installation would be running a development version ?
[15:49] <scoundrel50a> done that, shall I click enter again?
[15:49] <KM0201> charlie-tca: he can run the installation, he's never used the alt. cd
[15:49] <rocky> chrisccoulson: for example, if i pinned Firefox... where does the Firefox desktop file get stored?
[15:49] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: click enter again?.. did you choose ext4?
[15:49] <scoundrel50a> yes
[15:49] <KM0201> ok
[15:49] <scoundrel50a> now I got a load of other options
[15:49] <KM0201> ok, and what are they?
[15:49] <BluesKaj> scoundrel50a, yes , then choose mount point
[15:50] <freaky[t]> hi all. how do i upgrade ubuntu to the latest beta? im currently running 10.10?
[15:50] <KM0201> thats right... click enter, then your mount point is    /
[15:50] <scoundrel50a> ok, give me a sec and I'll post a pic again, sorry its taking so long, using a netbook
[15:50] <newbie|4> back yofel
[15:50] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: its ok.. we got it.. just hit enter..,. then choose your mount point,
[15:50] <charlie-tca> freaky[t]: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/beta
[15:50] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: and no need to apologize.
[15:50] <scoundrel50a> its got that option, what is the mount point
[15:51] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: /
[15:51] <BluesKaj> scoundrel50a it's /
[15:51] <BluesKaj> hehe
[15:51] <scoundrel50a> at the moment it says mount point none
[15:51] <KM0201> not /home, or /boot, ... just /
[15:51] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: go down to it w/ the arrow key, hit enter... and choose   /
[15:51] <BluesKaj> click on the mount point line , even if it says none ,you'll get theoption
[15:52] <scoundrel50a> done that
[15:52] <KM0201> ok.. does mount point say  /   now/
[15:52] <KM0201> ?
[15:52] <scoundrel50a> yes
[15:52] <KM0201> OK.
[15:52] <KM0201> now... BluesKaj can you think of anything else on that page.. i think thats it.
[15:53] <scoundrel50a> tis got the option Formatt partition, and it says no keep existing data, should I keep that option
[15:53] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: format it.
[15:53] <scoundrel50a> ok got it to format now what, just hit enter?
[15:54] <KM0201> um.. i think there's a "Done" option?
[15:54] <BluesKaj> KM0201, no, that it's it , scoundrel50a , now scroll down to the bottom, choose finished partitioning , then it will ask to write changes to disk , choose yes
[15:54] <jbwiv> guys, for some reason, evince isn't appearing up in my list of launchable applications in unity (when I type super plus command name). Anyone know why? Also, is there anything equivalent to alt+f2 in old ubuntu, where you can type any arbitrary command?
[15:54] <scoundrel50a> shall I take a pic ok, can see that option, will highlight it now, one sec
[15:55] <BluesKaj> scoundrel50a, no more pics pls :)
[15:55] <KM0201> lol
[15:55] <scoundrel50a> oh ok, sorry
[15:55] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: lol, no big deal
[15:56] <BluesKaj> scoundrel50a, the procedure is still fesh in my memeory , I did it myself yesterday
[15:56] <scoundrel50a> its so confusing, but am about to click on write changes to disk, and I'm crossing my figers, lol
[15:57] <BluesKaj> scoundrel50a, go gor it
[15:57] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: lol.. it should be ok.
[15:57] <scoundrel50a> Its installing,
[15:57] <KM0201> ok
[15:57] <scoundrel50a> I have a really dry mouth, lol
[15:58] <KM0201> when your computer starts smoking, let us know
[15:58] <KM0201> its a common thing w/ the alt. cd
[15:58] <KM0201> lol
[15:58] <scoundrel50a> hehe
[15:58] <KM0201> go get a fire extinguisher
[15:58] <charlie-tca> jbwiv: to the best of my knowledge, the closest thing is to open a terminal. You can do it with Ctrl+Alt+t
[15:58] <BluesKaj> scoundrel50a, agreed , the procedure seems confusing at first ...it's written by geeks for geeks so it makes asumptions we laymen have a hard witj=h :)
[15:58] <rocky> does anyone know where per-user unity launcher shortcuts are stored on the filesystem? in case i want to tweak something by hand?
[15:58] <KM0201> BluesKaj: i'd definitely agree w/ that
[15:59] <jbwiv> charlie-tca, ok, that's a shame. I like the new interface, but keeping an arbitrary launcher around would've been nice
[15:59] <scoundrel50a> BluesKaj: I would agree too, I am hopeless just doing things, dont have the confidence, but learn quite quickly once shown, but I sweat though, when I am learning
[16:00] <tim> hi, is there any kde-related update at the moment? apt-get dist-upgrade just removed programs like kontact and kdevelop ...
[16:00] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: its natural.. i'm sure there was a little fear if you hit the wrong thing, you'd nuke windows
[16:00] <BluesKaj> scoundrel50a, np , I went thru that and still do in foreign territory so to speak.. so do you profressbars running on the scrn?
[16:01] <BluesKaj> have
[16:01] <scoundrel50a> That is my biggest fear, when 9.10 came out with new grub 2, there was a problem with partitions, that caused you to loose windows, adn I lost mine
[16:01] <BluesKaj> progress bars
[16:01] <scoundrel50a> that was on my Desktop computer. We are at 83% in the installation
[16:02] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: ok...
[16:02] <KM0201> BluesKaj: does it still ask where to install grub, at the end of the installation?
[16:03] <scoundrel50a> Ok, got to setup. user and password,
[16:03] <jbwiv> what controls whether an application shows up in the launcher autocomplete?
[16:03] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: ok.. that should be pretty obvious, its just like the live cd.. username and pass
[16:04] <scoundrel50a> ok, this is new
[16:04] <scoundrel50a> its about configuring package manager abd something about http proxy
[16:04] <scoundrel50a> what should I do with that
[16:04] <BluesKaj> KM0201, yes it will , but it will detec the windows install and suggest a default position to include the windows partition in the grub menu
[16:05] <KM0201> what is default?
[16:05] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: what is default?
[16:05] <murlidhar> I have installed the os in my laptop using alternate cd cuz live cd wasn't booting up.
[16:05] <scoundrel50a> default what?
[16:06] <KM0201> on that screen w/ the hostname.. whatrs it say?
[16:06] <BluesKaj> KM0201, the right choice is the default
[16:06] <scoundrel50a> doesnt have anything like that yet
[16:06] <tim> ... and it seems, i cannot re-install kontact and kdevelop: http://pastebin.com/FsGrFMXZ
[16:06] <KM0201> BluesKaj: thats what i was thinking, whatever default is.
[16:06] <charlie-tca> hit ENTER
[16:06] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: just hit enter
[16:06] <murlidhar> but now the screen just goes blank but I do that the os booted up cuz of the login screen.
[16:06] <KM0201> (assuming you havent changed anything)
[16:07] <charlie-tca> It wants a proxy server if you are using one
[16:07] <BluesKaj> scoundrel50a, if you don't use a proxy then just hit enter
[16:07] <KM0201> charlie-tca: right.
[16:07] <murlidhar> can anyone help me get the screen back.
[16:07] <scoundrel50a> I did
[16:08] <BluesKaj> err charlie-tca ..we have plenty of help , thanks for yours , but I think we can manage
[16:08] <scoundrel50a> I ts going through the select and install software bit now
[16:08] <charlie-tca> Why haven't you taken this to pm then
[16:08] <BluesKaj> scoundrel50a, cool , you're on your way
[16:08] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: ok... i imagine you can do that.
[16:08] <KM0201> or just take the defaults
[16:09] <charlie-tca> It is really taking a lot of time, and other users are having issues getting any response because you guys are so busy
[16:09] <scoundrel50a> its only got to 17% at the moment
[16:09] <BluesKaj> charlie-tca, , with scoundrel50a , I mean.
[16:09] <charlie-tca> so do I
[16:09] <charlie-tca> There should be no reason to walk through a development installation in this channel
[16:10] <KM0201> charlie-tca: nobody asked for your help.. you're free to ignore
[16:10] <charlie-tca> I did not realize this was a private channel
[16:10] <KM0201> charlie-tca: its not... its for ubuntu+1 related problems, i'd say not being able to install, is a +1 related problem
[16:11] <charlie-tca> I would say not being able to install is going to a bigger problem when things break
[16:11] <KM0201> ..
[16:11] <charlie-tca> However, no place have I seen a notice saying DO NOT HELP
[16:11] <KM0201> who's not helping?
 charlie-tca: nobody asked for your help.. you're free to ignore
[16:12] <cardiel> hello..  cant choose 1280x1024 resolution in ubuntu 11.04. 1280x1024 works in windows 7.. how can i fix this? i used linux a couple years ago then i used to edit xorg.conf but its not used anymore or?
[16:12] <charlie-tca> Where is the notice saying DO NOT HELP?
[16:12] <KM0201> charlie-tca: well, you seem intent on complaining about someone getting heklp install, so don't help.. that was my point
[16:13] <charlie-tca> I attempted to speed things up. It took what, 4 lines back and forth to say "hit enter"
[16:14] <BluesKaj> scoundrel50a, how's it going ?
[16:14] <scoundrel50a> BluesKaj: its still going through the select and install process, at 31% at the moment
[16:15] <KM0201> is this pc a dinosaur?
[16:15] <KM0201> usually the alt. cd is pretty speedy
[16:15] <BluesKaj> scoundrel50a, that's normal , your install will probly take another 20-30 mins
[16:15] <KM0201> 20-30min?.. really?
[16:15] <scoundrel50a> its a new laptop, but low end, so not that fast, fast than I have had before, but slow by some standards
[16:16] <KM0201> man,, i always felt it was faster than the live cd.. different experiences i guess
[16:16] <scoundrel50a> going by this spead, it could take that long.
[16:16] <scoundrel50a> KM0201: I am sorry you got flamed, I dont like it when things like that happen
[16:16] <BluesKaj> depends scoundrel50a on your internet speed as well, the alternate searches the repos for comptable HW drivers
[16:17] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: lol, i work in a prison... i have VERY thick skin.. trust me.. that wasn't even close to bothering me.
[16:17] <KM0201> lol
[16:17] <cardiel> someone? how can i get higher resolution? .. do i need to create a xorg.conf or what?
[16:17] <kire> Will proprietary graphics drivers from nvidia and ATI still be supported when installing a full unity system (no "classical" version)?
[16:17] <scoundrel50a> I really appreciate both of your help, I wouldnt have got this far without it
[16:17] <BluesKaj> cardiel, which graphics card?
[16:18] <bjsnider> kire, of course
[16:18] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: its no prob..if you picture the GUI installer in your head, while going through the Alt. CD installer.. it makes a little more sense.. but just looking at it, it does seem very daunting the first time you use it
[16:19] <kire> bjsnider: okay, so is X11 dropped in favour of wayland or not?
[16:19] <bjsnider> kire, that's a bit of an absurd question since most ati/nvidia users require the proprietary drivers to run unity
[16:19] <bjsnider> kire, not for a hell of a long time
[16:19] <kire> okay thank you :)
[16:19] <kire> I suspected so but heard some rumors about it ;)
[16:20] <scoundrel50a> KM0201: now i have seen it, I am certain I could go through the process on my own next time. Its your used to I suppose.
[16:20] <scoundrel50a> on 43% now
[16:20] <BluesKaj> wayland is waaay in the future
[16:20] <kire> bjsnider: well, if you hear rumors about x11 being dropped and you know prop drivers don't support anything else it's not that a difficult assumption, thanks for the quick answer :)
[16:21] <KM0201> yeah...
[16:21] <cardiel> BluesKaj, i have intel g965
[16:21] <BluesKaj> scoundrel50a, I meant 0-30 mins from start to finsh ...din't mean to worry you :)
[16:21] <BluesKaj> 20-30
[16:21] <bjsnider> kire, stab that rumour in the heart
[16:22] <kire> will do :P
[16:22] <scoundrel50a> BluesKaj: its ok, I was expecting it to take a while, thank you.
[16:22] <scoundrel50a> almost half way, 48% now
[16:23] <KM0201> :)
[16:24] <KM0201> bin_bash: figure it out?
[16:24] <bin_bash> no
[16:24] <bin_bash> i'm still in os x
[16:24] <KM0201> that is strange
[16:24] <bin_bash> iknorite?
[16:24] <bin_bash> i'm guesing maybe it's just not compatible or something
[16:24] <KM0201> lol, your shorthand confuses me sometimes..lol
[16:24] <bin_bash> i'm in class so i don't have time to troubleshoot it now
[16:24] <bin_bash> after class i will
[16:25] <bin_bash> oh sorry, KM0201. I'm a child of the internet.
[16:25] <KM0201> is the school network "open"... ?
[16:25] <bin_bash> no
[16:25] <KM0201> lol, its no big deal..
[16:25] <bin_bash> there's an open and a closed one
[16:25] <bin_bash> couldn't connect to either
[16:25] <KM0201> hmmm.
[16:26] <cardiel> BluesKaj, is there anyway to add 1280x1024? to xorg
[16:27] <bin_bash> yeah it's weird
[16:27] <KM0201> !res
[16:27] <BluesKaj> cardiel, did you create an xorg.conf . if so then by all means try to add it
[16:28] <bin_bash> um that was weird
[16:28]  * KM0201 notices it is raining cats and dogs outside
[16:29] <bin_bash> it's supposed to rain here tmrw
[16:29] <KM0201> it is pouring
[16:29] <bin_bash> we've had a ton of rain
[16:29] <KM0201> heavy thunder, lightening, etc.
[16:29] <bin_bash> had a tornado in raleigh
[16:29] <scoundrel50a> not in London, people are still in short sleaves its quite warm here
[16:29] <torment> how do i get rid of X -nolisten tcp in natty?  the process seems to have changed
[16:30] <fslima0> upgraded to 11.04 ... now X won't initialize...
[16:30] <KM0201> i don't mind rain, don't care for thunder/lightening
[16:30] <fslima0> using the nvidia drivers
[16:30] <bin_bash> fslima0:  what are your system specs
[16:30] <scoundrel50a> I like a good storm, clears the air
[16:30] <fslima0> core 2 duo 2.4, 4gb, nvidia 8600gt
[16:30] <genii-around> fslima0: ctrl-alt-f1 then login. then: sudo apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-current && sudo initctl restart gdm
[16:31] <fslima0> dell XPS M1530
[16:31] <KM0201> fslima0: did you download it from nvidia.com?
[16:31] <KM0201> or are you using the restricted driver
[16:31] <fslima0> genii-around will that work?
[16:31] <genii-around> fslima0: I have to do it every time they send a new kernel update. I put kdm for my kubuntu instead of gdm though
[16:32] <fslima0> cool. i am going to have to try that later
[16:32] <scoundrel50a> KM0201: on 70%, not long to go.
[16:32] <fslima0> genii-around thanks
[16:33] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: no biggie, i'm just watching this wicked storm.
[16:33] <genii-around> fslima0: You're welcome
[16:33] <scoundrel50a> UK somewhere else?
[16:34] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: i'm indpls, IN (US)
[16:34] <bjsnider> genii-around, you should not have to reinstall nvidia-current with kernel updates, no. dell created something called "dkms" to handle that automatically
[16:34] <scoundrel50a> KM0201: you been getting lots of stoms in the US lately, dont envy you, those type of storms.
[16:35] <genii-around> bjsnider: Doesn't work for some reason
[16:35] <bin_bash> This adapter is supposed to support all types of encryption
[16:35] <KM0201> bin_bash: whats your encryption at home?
[16:35] <bin_bash> so idk why it's not working
[16:35] <bin_bash> lemme chedck
[16:35] <Gurke_> need help
[16:35] <bin_bash> !ask Gurke_
[16:35] <KM0201> Gurke_: just ask, if we can help, we will
[16:35] <KM0201> !ask | Gurke_
[16:35] <bin_bash> !ask | Gurke_
[16:35] <bin_bash> lol
[16:35] <KM0201> fail
[16:35] <bin_bash> shhhhh
[16:36] <Gurke_> ok well my question is: is somebody here whocan help me
[16:36] <Gurke_>  
[16:36] <bin_bash> Gurke_:  no. we're here for our health.
[16:36] <Gurke_> ok
[16:36] <Gurke_> well
[16:36] <bin_bash> KM0201:  my one at home is WPA personal
[16:36] <KM0201> Gurke_: the channel has about 280 people here, so i'd say someone is here that can help you
[16:36] <BluesKaj> Gurke_, e need to know your problem first
[16:36] <bin_bash> the one here is WPA2 Enterprise
[16:36] <genii-around> bjsnider: Every kernel update or change, the DKMS for nvidia does not get rebuilt
[16:36] <KM0201> bin_bash: hmm...
[16:36] <Gurke_> my hard drive has got a cluster 4 kb sectors
[16:37] <Toph> say, I'm unable to burn the 11.04 image to disc. Should I be burning it to dvd?
[16:37] <bin_bash> but the non-encrypted one has no encrypption, obviously
[16:37] <bjsnider> genii-around, you should look into why that is
[16:37] <Gurke_> it says; THERE MUST be kernel 2.6.31, the best at least 2.6.34
[16:37] <Gurke_> 4 kb sectors
[16:37] <bjsnider> Gurke_, you have an advanced format driver?
[16:37] <bjsnider> drive
[16:37] <Gurke_> yyessss
[16:37] <charlie-tca> Toph: which image? Is it today's ?
[16:37] <Gurke_> right
[16:37] <bjsnider> Gurke_, which one?
[16:37] <Gurke_> and it says at least 2.6.34 !
[16:37] <KM0201> lol, poor bin
[16:37] <Gurke_> WD ears 1 tb
[16:37] <bjsnider> that will work with natty fine
[16:38] <Gurke_> yes i know
[16:38] <Gurke_> but i wanted to install lucid !!
[16:38] <Gurke_> but dont work
[16:38] <Gurke_> so i need 10.10 or 11.04
[16:38] <bjsnider> Gurke_, you might want to manually partition it just to make sure the partitions are aligned to numbers divisible by 8
[16:38] <Gurke_> yes but best i think to use natty or maverick
[16:38] <Gurke_> its okay
[16:38] <Gurke_> but natty isnt final yet ??
[16:38] <bjsnider> natty is almost done
[16:39] <bjsnider> it's ok to use it
[16:39] <Toph> ChanServ,,, well, i tried 3 different files,, now I have natty-dvd-i386.iso.. now obviously that needs a dvd
[16:39] <KM0201> why would you "want" t install lucid? or do you have some use for LTS?
[16:39] <scoundrel50a> KM0201: almost done, 97%
[16:40] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: time to get down to brass tax... and see if this was worth it..lol
[16:40] <charlie-tca> Toph: today's images should fit on a cd, at least everything except desktop 386, from the looks of it
[16:40] <charlie-tca> That might need a dvd
[16:40] <scoundrel50a> its on configuring grub pc,
[16:41] <KM0201> ok
[16:41] <Toph> charlie-tca,,, ok,, thanks,, i didn't realize there was so much variation
[16:41] <scoundrel50a> its asking to install boot loader to master boot record, yes or no?
[16:41] <charlie-tca> yeah, it can be hard to tell now, with the way the sizes are calculated
[16:41] <KM0201> yes
[16:42] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: after that, you should be done
[16:42] <scoundrel50a> sweating a bit,
[16:42] <KM0201> ah, its ok.
[16:42] <Gurke_> sorry
[16:42] <Gurke_> bjsnider sorry !!
[16:42] <scoundrel50a> ok, cd out rebooting
[16:42]  * KM0201 crosses his fingers
[16:43] <scoundrel50a> ok, screen went black, backlight not coming on
[16:43] <bin_bash> stupid client
[16:43] <bin_bash> wanting me to pay
[16:43] <scoundrel50a> same problem as before
[16:43] <Gurke_> bjsnider sorry !!
[16:43] <scoundrel50a> can see the log in screen, but no backlight
[16:43] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: just give it a minute
[16:43] <KM0201> no backlight on..? the screen, or the keyboard
[16:43] <scoundrel50a> its stopped loading
[16:44] <scoundrel50a> screen
[16:44] <scoundrel50a> same problem as before
[16:44] <KM0201> can you sign on?
[16:44] <Gurke_> bjsnider sorry !!
[16:44] <scoundrel50a> no
[16:44] <KM0201> hmm..
[16:45] <KM0201> what graphics device does that machine have?
[16:45] <torment> how do i get rid of X -nolisten tcp in natty?  the process seems to have changed
[16:45] <scoundrel50a> and I dont have the option to use older older kernel with this installation
[16:45] <KM0201> well yeah.. its a new install.
[16:46] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: so whats it do when you try to log in.. it doesn't except keyboard input, or what/
[16:46] <scoundrel50a> I cant log in, the screen is black, I cant see the curser
[16:46] <scoundrel50a> nothing happens at all
[16:47] <KM0201> man, not heard that one.
[16:47] <BluesKaj> scoundrel50a, try shutting down completely , no reboot ..do a cold boot
[16:47] <KM0201> i've heard the live cd causing that issue, but not an install..
[16:47] <scoundrel50a> at least it installed this time
[16:47] <scoundrel50a> just did that too
[16:47] <KM0201> :)
[16:48] <scoundrel50a> still the same, clicked on the start button to close down,as that is the only way I can close it
[16:48] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: reboot, and try recovery.. i think there's a graphical recovery mode.
[16:48] <bin_bash> I wonder if this adapter doesn't support WPA2
[16:48] <KM0201> bin_bash: its possible.. it was only $15.. do you have the documentation?
[16:48] <KM0201> ro the exact make/model of it, so we can google?
[16:48] <scoundrel50a> well, the last time, it wouldnt boot into recovery mode, same thing happened screen went black, but will give it a try
[16:48] <bin_bash> yeah lemme google
[16:49] <BluesKaj> scoundrel50a, KM0201 the recovery kernel is a good idea
[16:49] <BluesKaj> repair broken packages \
[16:49] <KM0201> BluesKaj: the alt cd would have given the big "red screen" for broken packages, would it not?
[16:50] <BluesKaj> KM0201, dunno , never encountered the red scrn
[16:50] <KM0201> BluesKaj: i have.
[16:50] <KM0201> usually just when it ran into aproblem
[16:50] <scoundrel50a> Model is yep. recovery mode scrfeen gone back as well
[16:51] <scoundrel50a> model is Acer Aspire 5736Z
[16:51] <bin_bash> KM0201:  http://www.microbarn.com/details.aspx?rid=102718
[16:51] <bin_bash> should be supported
[16:51] <BluesKaj> then it's most likely the graphics driver , scoundrel50a..probly an intel if it's an acer
[16:52] <KM0201> !bug 759104
[16:52] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: is that you?
[16:52] <scoundrel50a> Yes, its an Intell GMA 4500M
[16:52] <KM0201> that seems similar to your problem
[16:52] <dios_mio> toph man!
[16:52] <Toph> hey dios_mio
[16:52] <dios_mio> :)
[16:53] <Toph> i've gotten some advice
[16:53] <dios_mio> toph do you have beta 2?
[16:53] <bin_bash> KM0201: I was going to get this one: https://www.microbarn.com/details.aspx?rid=102709
[16:53] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: post #2  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1733238    BluesKaj take a look as well
[16:53] <Toph> dios_mio,,, not sure,, i dl it yesterday
[16:53] <scoundrel50a> KM0201: yes that is me
[16:53] <bin_bash> but i would have had to compile the drivers from sauce and the guy said doing it on ubuntu was a pain in the ass and didnt always work
[16:53] <dios_mio> toph, ok that must be the latest then
[16:53] <Toph> ok
[16:54] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: what is you?.. the bug report?.. or the forum link?
[16:54] <Toph> you still using ubuntu?
[16:54] <KM0201> bin_bash: hmm
[16:54] <KM0201> looks like it should support it...
[16:54] <KM0201> can you take it back and try the second one?
[16:54] <dios_mio> toph, I have windows and ubuntu on dual boot, but using mostly windows
[16:54] <scoundrel50a> bug report
[16:55] <Toph> dios_mio,,, ok
[16:55] <KM0201> read that forum link
[16:55] <bin_bash> KM0201: the other one is in vacuum sealed container
[16:55] <bin_bash> plus this one works at home
[16:55] <KM0201> ah.. ok..
[16:55] <kishore> can the kubuntu natty installer setup btrfs subvolumes like partitions?
[16:55] <kishore> I want to set / to one subvolume and /home to another
[16:55] <bin_bash> after class I can log onto irc on my phone and we can try to troubleshoot
[16:55] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: did you read that forum link?
[16:56] <dios_mio> guys, if I install beta, when release comes out in 2 weeks, will I have to download it too? or can i update the system online?
[16:56] <scoundrel50a> reading them now, one sec, sorry
[16:56] <KM0201> oh ok.. sorry...
[16:56] <torment> so FYI the DissalowTCP setting in natty has moved to /usr/share/gdm/  ..... :-P
[16:56] <charlie-tca> !final | dios_mio
[16:56] <dios_mio> thanks
[16:56] <BluesKaj> scoundrel50a, did maverick run ok your acer ?
[16:57] <dios_mio> toph man, see you on undernet :)
[16:58] <KM0201> BluesKaj: did you seee that forum link i gave him?
[16:58] <bin_bash> I wonder why broadcom is so damn slow on teh uptake with this card
[16:58] <KM0201> lol
[16:58] <scoundrel50a> yes, Maverick worked really well. It looks like I might have to go back to that again,
[16:59] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: don't give up yet... did you try the acpi_osi=   on the boot?
[17:00] <scoundrel50a> Is that when you click on e as the grub is loading, we did that before, and nothing happened, but I'll give it another try, one sec, nbeed to reboot
[17:00] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: i think so.. i've never really had to add kernel options
[17:00] <BluesKaj> KM0201, yeah I did , guess no acpi is in order here
[17:01] <kishore> Anybody experimented with btrfs? I wonder if the installer can support subvolumes
[17:01] <KM0201> BluesKaj: well, maybe not noacpi.. but acpi_osi  according to the link
[17:01] <KM0201> or maybe nomodset
[17:02] <BluesKaj> kishore, a few have but they've had probs with a beta on a new FS
[17:02] <bin_bash> god i fking hate this class. I'm researching this adapter and there's nothing that says it shouldn't work with WPA2
[17:02] <KM0201> lol
[17:03] <KM0201> bin_bash: seems like it should, i dunno
[17:03] <IdleOne> bin_bash: Please mind your language
[17:03] <IdleOne> obfuscating curse words is still cursing.
[17:03] <scoundrel50a> ok, I cant see where acpi comes into the grub loader,
[17:03] <bin_bash> Oh of course IdleOne. How could I misspeak. Do accept this apology.
[17:03] <kishore> BluesKaj: Hmmm so does the installer support subvolumes? The installer screenshots suggest that you are presented with available partitions and you sent where to mount them...
[17:04] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: i think you just add it to the end... just type at the end acpi_osi=
[17:04] <KM0201> but i've never had to make kernel additions like that, so i'm not sure
[17:04] <kishore> I was considering having / in one subvolume and /home in another. but both in the same partition
[17:05] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: worst that happens is you gotta reboot, and remove it.
[17:05] <bin_bash> hmmmm
[17:05] <bin_bash> You know what's so stupid? This backwards school doen't support Linux. So I can't even go to the tech desk.
[17:05] <KM0201> lol
[17:06] <bin_bash> They'll be like "ohhh we can't help you. we dont support linux."
[17:06] <scoundrel50a> ok, added that now rebooting to see if its going to work
[17:06] <bin_bash> And then I'll say "Learn to. kthx."
[17:06] <scoundrel50a> nope, didnt work
[17:06] <KM0201> ok...
[17:06] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: try acpi_osi="Windows 2006"
[17:06] <KM0201> that apparently calls up some instructions like its loading Vista
[17:08] <scoundrel50a> ok, its rebooting, ok, rebooting
[17:09] <scoundrel50a> nope, still didnt work
[17:09] <BluesKaj> scoundrel50a, press e on getting the GRUB bootloader , Using arrow keys navigate to and delete quiet and splash and type the word nomodeset in their place,  Press Ctrl and X to boot
[17:09] <scoundrel50a> ok, will try that,
[17:10] <KM0201> if that doesn't work, i guess next is to try acpi off
[17:10] <ohsix> KM0201: no need to do that, the kernel already does, it answers yes to successive version requests
[17:10] <KM0201> hmm.
[17:10] <scoundrel50a> rebooting
[17:10] <scoundrel50a> yay
[17:10] <scoundrel50a> that worked
[17:11] <KM0201> sweet
[17:11]  * KM0201 ^5s BluesKaj 
[17:11] <bin_bash> i gtg
[17:11] <ohsix> what's his problem?
[17:11] <scoundrel50a> but really odd big fonts and graphics
[17:11] <bin_bash> brb
[17:11] <KM0201> later bin_bash
[17:11] <KM0201> ohsix: nothing now..
[17:11] <KM0201> :O)
[17:11] <ohsix> .
[17:11] <BluesKaj> yes ! :)
[17:12] <Superstar> Is Natty due to launch on the 28th?
[17:12] <ohsix> finding away around something doesn't mean you found out about that something
[17:12] <KM0201> ohsix: his screen was just going black and wasn't allowing him to sign on
[17:12] <KM0201> Superstar: yes
[17:12] <KM0201> it was a backlight issue apparently.
[17:12] <scoundrel50a> BluesKaj: got the log in screen logged in but it says I dont have the hardware to run ubunty, so I have to choose the classic version
[17:13] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: yeah... most likely 3D isn't supported by your intel chipset...
[17:13] <Superstar> Should I install the beta now, then upgrade when the stable is released or install beta now and fresh install of stable, or should I just wait?
[17:13] <scoundrel50a> but I can use 3d in Maverick
[17:13] <ohsix> scoundrel50a: is it an i810 series chipset?
[17:13] <scoundrel50a> how do I find out?
[17:13] <KM0201> i think he said its a 4500
[17:13] <ohsix> lspci
[17:14] <ohsix> if it was a 4500 and not one of the 965's with the hw bug then 3d would work, as would modesetting
[17:14] <charlie-tca> Superstar: if you install now and just update, you do not have to reinstall final
[17:14] <BluesKaj> scoundrel50a, yeah Unity uses 3D by default , it's apita IMO ..
[17:14] <KM0201> BluesKaj: yeah.
[17:14] <ohsix> BluesKaj: you said you haven't even been using ubunto for weeks
[17:14] <BluesKaj> scoundrel50a, run kde , fewer issues with graphics
[17:14]  * KM0201 has an intel 965, that seems to work flawlessly
[17:14] <BluesKaj> :)
[17:14] <pteague_work> anybody know if there's a way to get kate to truncate the end of the file name in the Documents tab instead of truncating the beginning of the file name?
[17:15] <scoundrel50a> so why cant it run 3d in Unity, but it can in Maverick
[17:15] <reagle> just upgraded to nattyB2, using KDE, and can't use compositing desktop effects with NVIDIA 270.* drivers. What options do I have?
[17:15] <scoundrel50a> and it looks horrible all huge and out of shape, like I was running nwindows 98
[17:15] <ohsix> BluesKaj: blagh
[17:15] <BluesKaj> ohsix, I tried ubuntu on my den pc for 2 days , Unity didn't do much for me
[17:15] <ohsix> scoundrel50a: did you find out what video card it was?
[17:15] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: how did lspci identify your video card
[17:16] <ohsix> brb gotta fix something
[17:16] <scoundrel50a> vga Intel Mobile 4 chipset
[17:16] <BluesKaj> scoundrel50a, that's probly regular gnome desktop in maverick
[17:16] <Superstar> charlie-tca = osm
[17:17] <Superstar> charlie-tca: isn't it 'cleaner' to do a fresh install?
[17:17] <charlie-tca> ????
[17:17] <Superstar> sorry ^
[17:17] <charlie-tca> It is not necessary at this late time
[17:17] <charlie-tca> there will be very few changes to natty
[17:17] <ohsix> scoundrel50a: post the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log and Xorg.0.log.old to a pastebin
[17:17] <scoundrel50a> ok, onesec
[17:18] <charlie-tca> Superstar: I have been running it since alpha1, and will not do a reinstall to clean it
[17:18] <KM0201> ohsix: can't be to much 'old'  he jsut installed.. :)
[17:19] <Superstar> charlie-tca: are you updating with nightly builds?
[17:19] <charlie-tca> I update when ever there are updates, using sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:20] <KM0201> brb..
[17:20] <charlie-tca> Superstar: I run that everyday
[17:20] <KM0201> same..
[17:20] <BluesKaj> BBL... lunchtime
[17:20] <Superstar> charlie-tca: is there a website i can check what's been updated in those nightly builds?
[17:20] <scoundrel50a> ok, this is a copy of /var/log/Xorg.0.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/596108/
[17:21] <ohsix> KM0201: eh?
[17:22] <KM0201> ohsix: sorry, just got back ... ?
[17:22] <scoundrel50a> this is /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old http://paste.ubuntu.com/596109/
[17:23] <KM0201> .old   looks like it has a bunch of stuff about the graphics device.. but i don't really know what to do w/ it.
[17:23] <scoundrel50a> ohsix: are they any use?
[17:24] <Gurke_> is natty already stable
[17:24] <KM0201> Gurke_: no, its beta
[17:24] <ohsix> scoundrel50a: yea, looking at them now
[17:24] <Gurke_> no i
[17:24] <scoundrel50a> k, need a coffee, brb
[17:24] <Gurke_> i know it is not rock stable
[17:24] <Gurke_> but is 11.04 usuable or is it too buggy
[17:25] <KM0201> Gurke_: depends.. for me, i have had very few probs (and the ones i've had, were very minor)... others have had more serious issues...
[17:25] <Gurke_> ok
[17:25] <charlie-tca> Superstar: I subscribe to a mailing list that gives all the changes as they happen
[17:25] <Gurke_> when final
[17:25] <Gurke_> !natty
[17:25] <Gurke_> ah ok
[17:25] <Gurke_> but dont know if really all the bugs fixed
[17:26] <Gurke_> until release
[17:26] <Gurke_> so its so less time
[17:26] <charlie-tca> Superstar: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/natty-changes
[17:26] <shaun__> only 9 days to go anyway...
[17:26] <charlie-tca> I will unsubscribe when natty is final, and subscribe to oneiric instead
[17:27] <Gurke_> ubuntu has a lot of bugs
[17:27] <Gurke_> s
[17:27] <Pici> Gurke_: So does a lot of software.
[17:27] <KM0201> and WIndows doesn't?
[17:28] <Gurke_> maybe should take more time
[17:28] <hardcold> common transition is windows, linux, OSX
[17:28] <ohsix> scoundrel50a: ok, modesetting isn't your problem; and i'm looking to see what you can do about your backlight not coming on
[17:28] <scoundrel50a> I'm back, any ideas?
[17:28] <KM0201> Gurke_: debian took like 17mo to release one version, and it still released w/ bugs.
[17:28] <scoundrel50a> ok
[17:28] <Gurke_> scoundrel50a ?
[17:28] <Gurke_> !ask
[17:29] <KM0201> Gurke_: follow along, people are trouble shooting his problem... he's not asking if something is stable, when its known it is still beta..
[17:29] <ohsix> you definitely don't want to disable mode setting
[17:29] <scoundrel50a> ok
[17:29] <Gurke_> ok
[17:29] <hardcold> I'm about to install a beta of aleph on my beta of ubuntu
[17:29] <hardcold> :)
[17:30] <Gurke_> ok
[17:30] <KM0201> hardcold: aleph/
[17:30] <KM0201> ?
[17:30] <Gurke_> aleph ???????????????????????
[17:30] <hardcold> alephone
[17:30] <KM0201> oh.
[17:30] <hardcold> treellama released a new beta 2 days ago
[17:30] <Gurke_> who ?????
[17:30] <hardcold> it's approaching the big 1.0
[17:31] <hardcold> I have a question for you guys using unity on different gpus
[17:31] <hardcold> when you click a menu, and then another, is there a white box that flashes?
[17:32] <ohsix> scoundrel50a: do you have a cq60, what laptop model is it?
[17:32] <hardcold> km0201: what gpu are you using?
[17:32] <scoundrel50a> Its a Aspire 5736Z
[17:33] <KM0201> hardcold: what am i using??
[17:33] <Gurke_> scoundrel50a: install ubuntu  10.10
[17:33] <hardcold> km0201: yes
[17:33] <KM0201> hardcold: you mean what version of ubuntu?.. 11.04
[17:33] <hardcold> km0201: no, gpu
[17:33] <KM0201> oh.. Intel 965
[17:33] <Pici> Gurke_: Thats not helpful in this channel.
[17:33] <hardcold> km0201: the 965! wow!
[17:33] <Superstar> I think I will install natty beta again for the 5000th time
[17:34] <KM0201> hardcold: whats so amazing about that?
[17:34] <Gurke_> no not natty @superstar
[17:34] <Gurke_> .
[17:34] <ohsix> scoundrel50a: well the devs that i usually ask about this stuff (for fixes and whatnot) are busy at the moment, you should probably report a bug with the intel graphics people, or a kernel bug regarding that driver and that kms doesn't enable the backlight
[17:34] <Superstar> gurke_ why not?
[17:34] <Gurke_> its betas
[17:34] <hardcold> km0201: well it's perfect for my question. When you click on menus in unity, is there a white flash when the close?
[17:34] <shaun__> have you actually tried it?
[17:35] <Superstar> gurke_ are you implying that i don't know what i'm doing or what i want?
[17:35] <Pici> Gurke_: This channel is for Natty. If you're going to continue to tell people to not install Natty for no reason other than it is beta then I m going to have to ask you to leave.
[17:35] <KM0201> hardcold: menus in unity?...  i've not really saw any menus in unity.
[17:35] <scoundrel50a> On my last install of Natty, I repored a bug about the backlight. It looks like I have to go back to Maverick, yes?
[17:35] <Gurke_> s
[17:35] <hardcold> km0201: like the menus for this app
[17:36] <KM0201> oh..
[17:36] <hardcold> km0201: irc, edit, etc
[17:36] <ohsix> scoundrel50a: well no, and the fix will probably be backported if it's found; you can try xorg-edgers which has newer drivers/drm-next kernels; the bug could already be fixed
[17:36] <KM0201> hardcold: hang on
[17:36] <KM0201> hardcold: and hat are you seeing, white flashes, when you click a menu?
[17:36] <KM0201> i'm not seeing anything like that
[17:36] <shaun__> hardcold: I think i see what you mean - when you switch it flickers white?
[17:36] <hardcold> km0201: when it closes
[17:36] <hardcold> shaun_: yes, it flickers white
[17:36] <scoundrel50a> ohsix:h ow do I do that?
[17:37] <KM0201> hardcold: no.. it doesn't look unusual at all.
[17:37] <Gurke_> ok
[17:37] <Gurke_> but where
[17:37] <Pici> Gurke_: #ubuntu is for support of released versions of Ubuntu.
[17:37] <ohsix> scoundrel50a: https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[17:37] <Gurke_> nooo dont have supportquestions thank youu
[17:38] <Gurke_> i reported bug yesterday i was fixed noww
[17:38] <shaun__> I get it when I move from one meny item to another...bug?
[17:38] <hardcold> km0201: that's good to hear. The reason I was surprised by your GPU was that it was fairly old, and so provided a perfect test. That is, if older hardware was better supported.
[17:38] <KM0201> well, thats worth a try ..before reinstalling maverick i guess
[17:38] <KM0201> hardcold: oh ok.. yah, its pretty old.. laptop is.. i think 5-6yrs old.
[17:38] <scoundrel50a> That is above my head, can you talk me through that?
[17:38] <hardcold> shaun_: and what GPU do you have?
[17:39] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: it looks like fun..lol
[17:39] <ohsix> scoundrel50a: open a terminal, sudo apt-add-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa
[17:39] <ohsix> let it finish, then go to update manager or synaptic or whatever and update your packages
[17:39] <rwhittle> i always regret doing that
[17:40] <hardcold> km0201: mine is the amd e350 fusion deal, and I'm using amd's propr drivers, so I think the fault is on AMD. This is why I am trying to sort out the cause of the issue (ubuntu or amd)
[17:40] <shaun__> hardcold: something NVIDIA? not sure, whats the best way to find out?
[17:40] <KM0201> hardcold: i gotcha...
[17:40] <ohsix> it will upgrade several drivers to new versions; after that, reboot without nomodeset and see if you still get a black screen, and if you do; you'll try one of the newer kernels also in the ppa, but you'll have to install it manually
[17:40] <scoundrel50a> ok, about to do that, one sec, I'll tell you what happens
[17:41] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: you're gonna have to run sudo apt-get uprade first.. (and probably dist-upgrade as well) before you do that....
[17:41] <hardcold> km0201: what's the system spec terminal command?
[17:41] <KM0201> hardcold: lspci
[17:41] <scoundrel50a> ok
[17:42] <hardcold> shaun_: lspci
[17:42] <ohsix> scoundrel50a: just follow my steps or you'll end up repeating some or doing things you don't need to
[17:42] <KM0201> ohsix: does it update w/o running sudo apt-get upgrade?
[17:43] <scoundrel50a> I will, dont want to mess up, so following exactly what you say.
[17:43] <ohsix> KM0201: no, it just adds the sources, synaptic or the update manager would refresh the packages, and tell you about any problems
[17:43] <Superstar> What does Ubuntu use download updates during installation? Is it wget?
[17:43] <KM0201> right.... ok.
[17:43] <genii-around> Superstar: Usually, yes
[17:44] <shaun__> GeForce 8200
[17:44] <hardcold> shaun_: are you using nvidia's drivers?
[17:44] <Superstar> Is there any way to change this?
[17:44] <KM0201> Superstar: what do you mean "change".. yeah, just choose not to download updates while installing
[17:45] <shaun__> hardcold: yes, I get a lovely splash screen saying nvidia when I log in...
[17:45] <Superstar> km0201 to use something less ancient. something that supports pipelining
[17:45] <genii-around> Superstar: There is something called apt-fast which uses axel as the download manager, but it is not an official
[17:45] <ohsix> Superstar: it uses /usr/lib/apt/methods/http
[17:45] <ohsix> there are other apt methods available
[17:45] <Superstar> ohsix thanks
[17:45] <hardcold> shaun_: okay, and you get the white flash when closing menus too
[17:46] <hardcold> shaun_: then it's not and AMD thing, but ubuntu. Thank you for checking.
[17:46] <shaun__> hardcold: yep every time i think - never notived it before though!
[17:47] <scoundrel50a> ohsix: updated everything, should I reboot now, or do you need anything else?
[17:47] <hardcold> shaun_: yes, it happens everytime for me as well. I'm a mac user, so quite sensitive to UI. ^_^
[17:47] <Superstar> Ubuntu dev team seriously need to include option to choose what internet speed we have. The current TCP settings are far too low to accommodate current internet speeds
[17:47] <ohsix> scoundrel50a: reboot without nomodeset and see if you get anything but a black screen, if you do; reboot again with it and come here
[17:47] <scoundrel50a> ok
[17:48] <ohsix> Superstar: people would always choose wrong, and you can't really do anything with the information anyways
[17:48] <hardcold> shaun_: if you log in with "classic mode no effects" it does not do that
[17:48] <ohsix> Superstar: it's more about how you connect and what's between you and who you're talking to
[17:48] <shaun__> hardcold: So it's a a unity thing, doesn't happen in gnome?
[17:49] <Superstar> ohsix. so in essence you're saying that network throughput cannot be improved < lol
[17:49] <hardcold> shaun_: I don't know. I've been using linux since Friday, and have only used unity and classic.
[17:49] <ohsix> Superstar: no, you just did
[17:49] <Superstar> ohsix. no that's what you're saying
[17:50] <ohsix> Superstar: um, no; you literally just said that
[17:50] <ohsix> Superstar: i said any information you could provide like you are suggesting, would be useless
[17:50] <shaun__> hardcold: fair enough. I'm pretty new myself but i think classic is gnome
[17:50] <Superstar> ohsix by saying they cannot do anything with that information is saying that they can't improve network settings based on the internet speed specified by the user?
[17:50] <scoundrel50a> ohsix: his, still no backlight
[17:50] <hardcold> shaun_: I got an ThinkPad x120e to have a small, light and cheap computer to take around with me and learn about linux with
[17:50] <ohsix> you however, knowing how you are connected and about your router, can change the settings to be more appropriate
[17:51] <ohsix> Superstar: the speed is not useful information
[17:51] <ohsix> scoundrel50a: ok, so you need to try one of the newer kernels, 1 sec
[17:51] <Superstar> ohsix don't embarrass yourself
[17:51] <shaun__> hardcold: I had windows vista, got frustrated and double booted with linux
[17:51] <ohsix> Superstar: me thinks you know not of what you speak; and aren't very gentlemanly about it
[17:52] <ohsix> scoundrel50a: did you actually update the packages after you refreshed your sources?
[17:52] <hardcold> shaun_: this is the first non-apple computer I've bought, and it came with windows 7. I used Win7 to create the usb (actually SD card) booter for ubuntu and that was it.
[17:53] <scoundrel50a> I updated using sudo apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:53] <ohsix> scoundrel50a: ok
[17:53] <scoundrel50a> I didnt go into software sources to click on anything though, should I have done?
[17:54] <shaun__> hardcold: so you reckon its worth reporting a bug?
[17:54] <Superstar> ohsix: http://datatag.web.cern.ch/datatag/howto/tcp.html
[17:54] <ohsix> scoundrel50a: i don't see a drm-next kernel in the natty pocket on the ppa, so there won't be one to try
[17:54] <hardcold> shaun_: actually, I freaked out while using Win7 because the touchpad scrolling did not work well at all, so I thought the touchpad was garbage. But, it works perfect under ubuntu! This is standard among x120e users.
[17:54] <scoundrel50a> oh, ok
[17:54] <ohsix> Superstar: i don't see anyone mentioning dsl, or reaching the internet
[17:55] <shaun__> hardcold: best just to avoid windows tbh... it will frustrate you immensly!
[17:55] <hardcold> shaun_: yeah, I guess it should be reported as a bug
[17:55] <ohsix> Superstar: and point of fact you said modern internet speeds; not what you can send to a computer on the same segment
[17:55] <mbeierl> Superstar: if what you are referring to is the bandwidth delay product, it requires both ends to update the tcp settings and the window sizing
[17:55] <ohsix> scoundrel50a: that means the bug probably still exists and you should report one
[17:55] <hardcold> shaun_: yeah, I've used windows plenty. Not my cup of tea.
[17:56] <Superstar> mbierl: that's that i'm saying. but ubuntu isn't so user friendly when it comes to making those modifications
[17:56] <hardcold> shaun_: the other nice thing about ubuntu is that all the command line stuff I learn here I can use in OSX
[17:56] <ohsix> Superstar: not only that, you found something that completely discounts the information you would provide in order to come to the end you desire
[17:56] <mbeierl> Superstar: it's the hosted services that need updating (such as web sites, etc).  Simply putting into your local stack is not enough.
[17:56] <ohsix> Superstar: ubutnu has /etc/sysctl.conf, and they're made like any other change
[17:56] <shaun__> very true - again, windows cmdline is terrible
[17:57] <Superstar> mbeierl lol
[17:57] <scoundrel50a> ohsix: how did I get to boot into this, using nomodeset, what did I have to add again?
[17:57] <scoundrel50a> I cant find it
[17:57] <mbeierl> Superstar: so while I am not discounting your statement at all, and yes, it would give ubuntu an advantage, I can also understand why no further work is being done there
[17:57] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: yes, nomodset
[17:57] <ohsix> you can not just pick another set of numbers and get "better" performance, you'll just get different performance for those circumstances
[17:58] <ohsix> mbeierl: he made a silly statement
[17:58] <hardcold> test
[17:58] <shaun__> hardcold: bug has already been reported actually
[17:58] <scoundrel50a> there was something else I had to add just adding nomeset isnt working
[17:59] <mbeierl> ohsix: actually there is a fundamental flaw in TCP window sizing that despite any amount of tuning cannot deal with high speed, high latency networks.  even putting a gui over top of it to make it easier to tune does not address the original flaw.
[17:59] <ohsix> scoundrel50a: did you add noacpi or something? you really shouldn't be adding that stuff willy nilly, and not just to get a functioning system; they're big switches to figure out where a problem is
[17:59] <hardcold> shaun_: where can I look up bugs? Can you link me to what you have?
[17:59] <mbeierl> ohsix: so I am agreeing with both sides, while politely disagreeing too :)
[18:00] <ohsix> mbeierl: that wasn't what he was talking about anyways, he said why not let people enter their internet speed and make magic
[18:00] <hardcold> shaun_: I assume it's a website
[18:00] <shaun__> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/687567
[18:00] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: it was nomodset
[18:00] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: then i think you deleted quiet splash (but that shouldnt effect this)
[18:00] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: sorry... nomodeset   (MODE)
[18:01] <hardcold> shaun_: thanks
[18:01] <mbeierl> ohsix: I thought his suggestion was to have the speed entered and adjust the tcp stack accordingly
[18:02] <ohsix> mbeierl: if you can come up with some heuristic that is 100% better all the time, more power to you
[18:02] <scoundrel50a> ok, will give it a try again
[18:02] <mbeierl> ohsix: that's what I am saying ... that is cannot really be done
[18:03] <ohsix> it does show some ignorance on the subject to suggest that knowing the speed is all you need, because measuring the speed is easy to do, no need to ask anyone
[18:03] <scoundrel50a> KM0201: that worked
[18:03] <mbeierl> ohsix: agreed.
[18:03] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: ok
[18:04] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: is your resolution still messed up?
[18:05] <ohsix> scoundrel50a: "worked" :O nomodeset just disables kms and the intel driver entirely, it's a workaround but a very awful one to live with, report a bug ASAP so it can be fixed
[18:05] <scoundrel50a> yes
[18:06] <KM0201> ohsix: are you sure one of those alternative kernels won't work for him?
[18:06] <KM0201> i would try it anyway.. i mean, heck you set up the PPA.. whats the worst that can happen?.. a broken linux system?..lol
[18:08] <ohsix> KM0201: there are no alternatives in the natty pocket; since the natty kernel _is_ the up to date kernel that would be in there, say for mav
[18:08] <BluesKaj> scoundrel50a, is there an additional hardware option in administration ?
[18:08] <KM0201> ohsix: i see
[18:08] <ohsix> BluesKaj: no, he has the same chipset i do
[18:08] <ohsix> bbiab
[18:08] <BluesKaj> bummer
[18:08] <BluesKaj> :(
[18:09] <scoundrel50a> I just went in to the I just went in to software sources to update there, clicked everything I could but still got no backlight
[18:10] <scoundrel50a> BluesKaj: What else were you thinking of?
[18:10]  * BluesKaj has an 3 yr old elcheapo acer that daughter is using in her travels ..wonder if natty will fail on that too (extensa 4630 I think)
[18:10] <ohsix> scoundrel50a: aside from disabling kms/the driver entirely; a fix for kms to turn it on is the only thing that's going to fix anything
[18:10] <ohsix> you could try #intel-gfx but you'll still end up filing a bug
[18:11] <BluesKaj> no scoundrel50a , ohsix says there aren't any other HW options for your graphics , he has the same chipset
[18:11] <hardcold> shaun_: I just read through that thread, and people are experiencing with all kinds of gpus/drivers
[18:11] <scoundrel50a> ohsix: how can I file a bug for this
[18:11] <DiscordianUK> I'd observe that on a new HP i3 laptop Ubuntu 11.04 beta works fine for me, all I needed to do was edid=on during install
[18:12] <hardcold> shaun__: I wonder if anyone is NOT experiencing that issue.
[18:12] <scoundrel50a> It looks like I am going to have to go back to Maverick ten, I dont like the idea of using this for a couple of weeks till its fixed.
[18:12] <shaun__> hardcold:seems like it - and it might not just be unity either. could be a big one to fix!
[18:12] <scoundrel50a> what do I need to add to the bug file to help....
[18:13] <hardcold> shaun__: in that post they said it's on a to-do list for 11.10!
[18:13] <shaun__> hardcold:which comes out in october...? i think!
[18:14] <hardcold> shaun__: well, it annoys the crap out of me, but I guess it's not a big deal for others
[18:14] <hardcold> shaun__: what's supposed to be happening is a fade-out animation, but instead is just a white flash
[18:15] <shaun__> how obvious is it on yours? its pretty subtle on mine
[18:15] <KM0201> !bug | scoundrel50a see if this helps... and include those logs ohsix told you to post
[18:16] <scoundrel50a> ok, thanks
[18:17] <scoundrel50a> I need to go back to Maverick, can you help me reinstall? I just want to install over Natty.
[18:17] <hardcold> shaun__: yeah, october 24th...
[18:18] <BluesKaj> scoundrel50a, yeah, going back to maverick is probly a good idea , since natty can't accomodate your graphics and it may be fixed in a few weeks you can always upgrade when you find out that the bug is patched.
[18:18] <hardcold> shaun__: gives me a good excuse to try installing gnome ^_^
[18:18] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: yah i can help you reinstall over natty if you want to do that
[18:18] <scoundrel50a> ok, just adding to the bug I posted last time, as soon as I finished I will be back
[18:19] <BluesKaj> scoundrel50a, does the maverick livecd install work on your laptop?
[18:20] <KM0201> BluesKaj: i think he said earlier he had no probs w/ the maverick live cd
[18:21] <BluesKaj> KM0201, ok good , no alternate required :)
[18:22] <scoundrel50a> yes
[18:23] <scoundrel50a> can I as, if I add the Xorg files, is there anything in there that is confidential, or is it safe to add them to the bug report?
[18:23] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: logs should be safe (thus why they are logs.. theya re made to be made public if necessary)
[18:24] <scoundrel50a> BluesKaj: I have been running Maverick very smoothly
[18:24] <scoundrel50a> KM0201: ok, just finishing the bug report, be as quick as I can
[18:25] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: take your time, i'm not going anywhere (you can use the maverick live cd)
[18:25] <charlie-tca> scoundrel50a: there is no guarantee that private information is not in a log file. That is why apport bugs are made PRIVATE until verified
[18:25] <BluesKaj> scoundrel50a, good , then stick with maverick for a while ...unless you're taken with unity :)
[18:25]  * KM0201 is smitten by unity
[18:26] <DiscordianUK> Is apt-get re-entrant?
[18:29] <scoundrel50a> sorry, dont know what happened there, got logged out
[18:29] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: it happens.. :0
[18:29] <scoundrel50a> ok, need to find my Maverick live cd, and will begin installing Maverick. i hope it can be fixed.
[18:30] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: installing maverick will be no prob... are you wanting to install it over natty, or tripleboot, or what/
[18:30] <scoundrel50a> Install over Natty,
[18:30] <KM0201> ok
[18:33] <scoundrel50a> still trying to find disc, brb
[18:34] <KM0201> lol
[18:35] <hardcold> I'm compiling a program from the command line. As infintile as this is, it makes me happy I can do this now
[18:36] <hardcold> baby steps
[18:36] <KM0201> lol
[18:36] <hardcold> maybe in a year I'll be contributing to code
[18:36] <hardcold> ^_^
[18:37] <hardcold> before I learn how to program, thought, I should learn how to touch type
[18:42] <step21> yay ... xchat on natty in virtual box. if 3d works btw, unity 2d should work as well, right?
[18:42]  * KM0201 thinks scoundrel50a must have a big house to still be looking for that cd... ::look in between the couch cushions:::
[18:42] <KM0201> step21: one would think so.
[18:43] <hardcold> awesome, alephone 1.0 beta two works great!
[18:43] <scoundrel50a> KM0201: I found it
[18:43] <KM0201> :)
[18:43] <scoundrel50a> sorry about that, about to reboot
[18:44] <KM0201> oh its cooll, i was just teasing
[18:44] <scoundrel50a> hehe, well its been a learning curve this afternoon
[18:44] <Willis420> i'm trying to natty and win7, installs fine but when i boot into ubuntu it'll freeze, any suggestion?
[18:44] <scoundrel50a> ok, its booting
[18:45] <Willis420> dual boot, sorry
[18:45] <step21> Willis420, how freeze, does it give an error or does just the splash screen freeze?
[18:45]  * KM0201 wonders if Willis420 is having the same problem scoundrel50a had
[18:46] <Willis420> i get past the splash screen then freezes
[18:46] <scoundrel50a> Willis420: I hate to tell you this, I have been here for about 4 hours, and I just gave up, I think you are having the same problems as me, and at the moment, there is no cure. I am about to reinstall Maverick.
[18:46] <Willis420> md5 sums match and all
[18:47] <scoundrel50a> KM0201: ok, the Install box has appeared, about to start
[18:47] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: ok, just go ahead and answer the questions, till you get to the partition stage, then we're gonna use the 'Advanced' partition tool.
[18:48] <scoundrel50a> KM0201: clicked on advanced and drive space has appeared
[18:48] <scoundrel50a> KM0201: what next
[18:48] <KM0201> Willis420: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1733238
[18:48] <Willis420> i had 10.10, and only way i could see my screen was through recovery failsafe res and no wireless net
[18:49] <KM0201> you see your ext4 partition?... highlight it, and click delete
[18:49] <scoundrel50a> ok
[18:49] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: after that, when it reloads, it should now show that as free space, right?
[18:49] <scoundrel50a> KM0201:yes it shows free space
[18:49] <KM0201> ok, highlight the free space, and click add
[18:50] <scoundrel50a> done that
[18:50] <KM0201> then... you probably remember the options..
[18:50] <KM0201> Logical...
[18:50] <KM0201> Size (whatever max is0
[18:50] <KM0201> Location:  beginning
[18:50] <KM0201> Use as:  ext4
[18:50] <KM0201> mount point    /
[18:50] <KM0201> then click create
[18:51] <KM0201> and that will take you back to the main window, then one more thing... we gotta do.
[18:51] <scoundrel50a> something to do with bootloader isnt it?
[18:51] <KM0201> yup.... whats it say in the 'bootloader' pull down?..
[18:52] <KM0201> it should probalby be sda  (assuming you only have 1 drive)
[18:53] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: ?
[18:53] <step21> KM0201, btw, faenza icons should be default for unity, looks awesome :)
[18:53] <scoundrel50a> only one drive, has /dev/sda ATA WDC WD3200BPVT-2b(320.1GB)
[18:53] <KM0201> step21: faenza?   where do you get them?
[18:53] <step21> ppa
[18:53] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: ok.. perfect... click iinstall
[18:53] <KM0201> step21: link?
[18:54] <step21> sec
[18:54] <scoundrel50a> that is the right choice is it?
[18:54] <BluesKaj> scoundrel50a, did it show your windows partitions
[18:54] <BluesKaj> ?
[18:54] <scoundrel50a> yes
[18:54] <KM0201> BluesKaj: i assume it did.. he said it was the same as from the alt. cd
[18:55] <scoundrel50a> The drop down menuy showed the windows partitions
[18:56] <BluesKaj> scoundrel50a, so you're installing on the previous ubuntu install, probly sda6 or ?
[18:56] <KM0201> no no no.
[18:56] <KM0201> BluesKaj: we;ve already set up his partitions...
[18:56] <KM0201> we're installing grub now.
[18:56] <KM0201> itn eeds to go on the mbr
[18:57] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: put it at the "top" of the drive.. .sda
[18:57] <KM0201> not sda1, or 2, or 3, etc
[18:57] <scoundrel50a> I think I got that right, I hate partitions
[18:57] <BluesKaj> ok , sorry, was away at the local postbox , so i missed it
[18:57] <KM0201> lol...
[18:57] <KM0201> BluesKaj: no prob... scoundrel50a ok, just make sure the bootloader is on sda  then click install now
[18:58] <scoundrel50a> just did that, and its installing
[18:58] <scoundrel50a> I am always afraid I'm deleting the windows partition
[18:58] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: lol..
[18:58]  * BluesKaj scrolls up to see what was happening earlier
[18:58] <scoundrel50a> I think I am going to leave installing Natty for a good while
[18:59] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: we've all nuked windows at least once... some of us more than once.. ::whistling::
[18:59] <scoundrel50a> hehe
[18:59] <scoundrel50a> My back is killing me sat over this computer.
[18:59] <KM0201> lol
[19:00] <scoundrel50a> Anybody have animals, I have Gambian Pouched Rats, the ones they use in bomb detection in Africa, they reach about 4 lb some of them. My biggest one is just over 3 lb. Bigger than a Chihuahua.
[19:01] <bin_bash> KM0201: you aroud?
[19:01] <KM0201> step21: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/08/faenza-icon-set-gets-a-ppa/
[19:01] <KM0201> bin_bash: affirmative.
[19:01] <KM0201> whats up
[19:01] <bin_bash> I was able to connect to the insecure network
[19:01] <KM0201> bin_bash: well, then it would seem your suspicion is correct, the device oesn't support wpa2-enterprise
[19:02] <bin_bash> hm it's possible but I didn't even try to connect to that one
[19:02] <bin_bash> I connected to this one cuz i need to DL a lecture
[19:02] <step21> KM0201, probably, couldn't remember how to list ppas and looking it up took a while. I probably got it from webupd8.org though
[19:03] <KM0201> step21: its cool, i got it installing now.. this better be good..lol
[19:03] <step21> KM0201, well you can always change it back ...
[19:03] <KM0201> step21: if my home icon is a severed head, i'm gonna be very upset (thats a spin on a waynes world line, which i happen to be watching)
[19:03] <KM0201> step21: lol its cool man, i was kidding.
[19:03] <step21> :)
[19:04] <KM0201> thats actually pretty good step
[19:05] <step21> KM0201, told you
[19:05] <bin_bash> Someone want to find the mactel PPA for me or tell me if I can just apt-get it?
[19:05] <KM0201> bin_bash: http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=mactel+ppa&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[19:05] <KM0201> woops
[19:05] <KM0201> https://launchpad.net/~mactel-support/+archive/ppa
[19:05] <bin_bash> danke
[19:06] <KM0201> i wasn't being a smart aleck and showing you how to google
[19:06] <KM0201> lol
[19:06] <bin_bash> it's ok. i appreciate you doing the googling for me :P
[19:06] <KM0201> bin_bash: what do you want to use that ppa for?
[19:06] <bin_bash> backlit keyuboard
[19:07] <KM0201> hmm
[19:07] <KM0201> you're really orried about that backlit keyboard
[19:07] <KM0201> lol
[19:07] <bin_bash> yes it drives me insane when i go to sleep at night
[19:07] <KM0201> bin_bash: do you know how to add that to your source list?
[19:08] <KM0201> why would a backlit keyboad, drive you insane while you're asleep.. you can't type when you're asleep
[19:09] <KM0201> step21: thats a good icon set (was just looking through it in more detail) where'd you find that?
[19:09] <KM0201> only thing i don't like, is the xchat icon
[19:09] <bin_bash> yeah but i leave my computer on and awake and so the keyboard lights my room up if it's all the way on
[19:09] <KM0201> hmm
[19:10] <KM0201> bin_bash: so is your keyboard on, and is just all the way on, or is it not coming on? ( i thought it wasn't coming on)
[19:10] <bin_bash> no it's ALL the way on
[19:10] <bin_bash> ALL the time
[19:10] <bin_bash> either way is annoying
[19:10]  * BluesKaj is reminded to research very carefully for linux friendly laptops in the coming months. Seems intel graphics is problematic right now.
[19:10] <KM0201> i see.. now i get it.
[19:10] <bin_bash> i used to be able to type into terminal "sudo keyboard-backlight up/down/off"
[19:11] <KM0201> BluesKaj: yeah... i was thinking the same thing.. i was thinking of getting me a new laptop around christmas
[19:11] <bin_bash> so what, do i wget this or what?
[19:11] <DiscordianUK> That's a point my i3 has built in intel graphics but also HD 4250 ATI
[19:11] <bin_bash> and what do i put for my version?> 11.04?
[19:11] <KM0201> bin_bash: assuming you're still on natty, yes
[19:12] <bin_bash> No, I want to install the mactel ppa onto os x
[19:12] <KM0201> ohhhhhhhhh....
[19:12] <phibxr> BluesKaj, asus ul30vt works fine if you disable the intel-card and only rely on the nvidia one. eats a bit more battery on the nvidia-chipset though.
[19:12] <bin_bash> :P
[19:12] <KM0201> sorry, i thought you wanted it for ubuntu.. i have no idea... on that
[19:12] <bin_bash> Oh I was being sarcastic
[19:12] <bin_bash> ofc i want it for natty
[19:12] <KM0201> oh ok...lol
[19:13] <KM0201> you lost me there..
[19:13] <bin_bash> whoosh. my bad
[19:13] <bin_bash> so wget? or what
[19:13] <step21> KM0201, webupd8.org I think. they have lots of theme/icon news
[19:13] <KM0201> bin_bash: no... gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:13] <KM0201> step21: i'll have to check it out..
[19:13] <BluesKaj> KM0201, wife and I are gonna need one soon for travelling ..doesn't have to be $$$ Just something with which we can surf and email
[19:14] <KM0201> bin_bash: then add the two lines that hat page givces you for natty, to the bottom of the page.
[19:14] <step21> KM0201, also has multiple versions i.e. dark, darker, something ...
[19:14] <bin_bash> what?
[19:14] <KM0201> step21: i saw that
[19:14] <bin_bash> that doesn't make sense
[19:14] <step21> do that :)
[19:14] <scoundrel50a> KM0201: ok, booted Ubuntu Maverick, doing Updates, will try Winodws boot after this has finished, thank you so much for your and Blueskaj help, I am sorry I took so much of your time.
[19:14] <KM0201> bin_bash: what doesnt?
[19:14] <bin_bash> i'm lookjing at this
[19:14] <bin_bash> https://launchpad.net/~mactel-support/+archive/ppa
[19:14] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: so much time.. i had nothing going on, i have no life
[19:14] <bin_bash> what lines am i adding?
[19:15] <KM0201> bin_bash: hang on just a sec.
[19:15] <bin_bash> ok
[19:15] <lcb> hi. any reports today about windows opening 'kind of' 1/4 size and while dragging it or expanding it whole unity and X crashes?shes? + some apps also crashing X when doing some functions (for instance, synaptic, history, crash)?
[19:15] <scoundrel50a> hehe, sounds like me, lol
[19:15] <ayush_> wifi won't work in natty. broadcom sta wireless drivers won't install. never had this problem in maverick or lucid. some help please
[19:15] <KM0201> bin_bash: click "technical details, then in the drop down bar, choose 11.04
[19:15] <BluesKaj> asus ul30vt , phibxr , disable the intel ?
[19:15] <KM0201> then add the two lines that come up, to the bottom of that source list
[19:16] <phibxr> BluesKaj, pretty much. go into bios at startup and change SATA mode to "compatible". disables the intel chipset and gives you only the nvidia-chipset. only way, as far as i know, to use the nvidia graphics under linux since you can't switch between them and intel is the default otherwise.
[19:16] <KM0201> bin_bash: figure it out?
[19:17] <bin_bash> KM0201: like this?
[19:17] <bin_bash> ##MactelPPA
[19:17] <bin_bash> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mactel-support/ppa/ubuntu 11.04 main
[19:17] <bin_bash> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/mactel-support/ppa/ubuntu 11.04 main
[19:17] <KM0201> yes..
[19:17] <KM0201> thats fine
[19:17] <bin_bash> ok
[19:17] <KM0201> then save/close the file
[19:17] <bin_bash> >Comments are your friend.
[19:17] <KM0201> lol
[19:17] <KM0201> after you save/close the file
[19:17] <KM0201> type sudo apt-get update in the terminal, and let it update
[19:18] <phibxr> lcb, chrome has opened in a tiny window for me today.
[19:18] <phibxr> lcb, after the latest updates.
[19:18] <BluesKaj> phibxr, ok  a hybrid ..but whay would the mfgr do such a thing if the nvidia is all that's needed , tradeoffs like 2D graphics instead of the 3D ?
[19:19] <ayush_> I need help. please
[19:19] <trism> bin_bash: it should be natty instead of 11.04, and add-apt-repository ppa:mactel-support/ppa; would probably be easier
[19:19] <lcb> phibxr, yes, like that. (i'm lagged, so don't worry if this is a 'late' response :)
[19:19] <bin_bash> i did add-apt-repository already
[19:19] <KM0201> ok.
[19:19] <phibxr> BluesKaj, i'm not sure I understand the question, but, yes, I only get 2D-graphics if the intel chipset is active, since you can't switch to the nvidia-one due to lack of driver support for switching. :)
[19:19] <KM0201> bin_bash: did you run sudo apt-get update
[19:20] <phibxr> lcb, yep, experienced it after the updates today. no crashes though, the windows resize and move just fine.
[19:20] <bin_bash> trism: natty or Natty
[19:20] <bin_bash> KM0201: not yt
[19:20] <KM0201> ok
[19:20] <trism> bin_bash: lowercase
[19:20] <KM0201> well, you gotta do that.. then you can install whatever you want in there
[19:21] <bin_bash> KM0201: i did that last night
[19:21] <BluesKaj> phibxr, why would asus use 2 graphics chips if it wasn't for 3D requirements ?
[19:21] <KM0201> ok.
[19:21] <phibxr> BluesKaj, the intel chipset provides way better battery time under windows, and probably under linux too.
[19:21] <lcb> phibxr, mine completely crashes tough. i'll not report a bug because this particular installation is somehow instable since the beginning (about a week ago). so i might install agai. daily. thanks a lot phibxr .
[19:22] <ayush_> wifi won't work in natty. broadcom sta wireless drivers won't install. never had this problem in maverick or lucid. some help please
[19:22] <bin_bash> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://ppa.launchpad.net/mactel-support/ppa/ubuntu/ natty/main amd64 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad.net_mactel-support_ppa_ubuntu_dists_natty_main_binary-amd64_Packages)
[19:22] <KM0201> lol
[19:22] <bin_bash> ayush_: which wireless card do you have
[19:23] <lcb> phibxr, ... but, if you get same symptoms... do it. (if you'll get crashes etc, because that's not good at all, at this stage)
[19:23] <ayush_> bin_bash: 02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY (rev 01)
[19:23] <bin_bash> bcm4312 should work
[19:23] <KM0201> ayush_: didn't we go over this the other day.. those lp-phy's don't seem to be supported by the sta driver
[19:23] <trism> bin_bash: add-apt-repository adds the lines to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ppa_name.list; that's probably where the other one is
[19:23] <bin_bash> trism: yah
[19:23] <maco> ayush_: what are you getting whne you try to install broadcom sta drivers?
[19:24] <maco> i just installed them on a friend's natty netbook this weekend to make her 4312 work
[19:24] <phibxr> lcb, only seems to happen with chrome for me, actually.
[19:24] <KM0201> i could have swore the lp-phy took aspecial driver.
[19:24] <lcb> okie :)
[19:24] <lcb> chromium, you mean :)
[19:24] <KM0201> maco: its an lp-phy vs the regular 4312.. there's a difference.. there's a special firmware package in the repositories for it.
[19:24] <ayush_> maco : driver installation failed. and then it tells me to look into /var/logs/jockey.log
[19:24] <maco> KM0201: ew
[19:25] <ayush_> KM0201: but it worked out of the box in maverick
[19:25] <KM0201> ayush_: dunno.. i know there's a lot of complaints about those low power broadcoms
[19:26] <ayush_> KM0201: so there's nothing I can do to make it work?
[19:27] <KM0201> ayush_: there's several long threads on ubuntu forums.. i've saw no success yet.. didn't we work on this the other day?
[19:27] <phibxr> lcb, lots of new updates since this afternoon. might be fixed by now.
[19:27] <ayush_> KM0201: yes but i was running windows and couldn't get you the output of lspci
[19:27] <KM0201> ayush_: thats right..
[19:28] <phibxr> lcb, compiz has been updated, among others.
[19:28] <KM0201> anyway, those lp-phy's.. are problematic, i worked w/ someone else for about an hour yesterday, w/ no luck
[19:28] <KM0201> ayush_: i know there's a firmware package in the in the repositories you can try... but
[19:28] <KM0201> i had no luck w/ it the other day
[19:31] <BluesKaj> KM0201, usually broadcoms are pnp
[19:32] <KM0201> BluesKaj: those lp ones.. are a pita.. apparently it ssomething to prolong battery life
[19:32] <KM0201> i've ran into it a few times..
[19:32] <BluesKaj> idiotic
[19:32] <KM0201> it is.. i agree
[19:32] <step21> bye for now ...
[19:32] <KM0201> there's a firmware package for it in the repos... but i've not had much luck getting it to work
[19:33] <KM0201> !info firmware-b43-lpphy-installer
[19:37]  * KM0201 wonders where everyone went
[19:37] <KM0201> scoundrel50a: how's it coming along?.. maverick working again?
[19:37] <scoundrel50a> It is but I cant get the touchpad to work
[19:37] <KM0201> um..
[19:38] <scoundrel50a> I'm rebooting again, plus its all big again, like the resolution is off.
[19:38] <KM0201> system/pref/mouse (i think).. then click the touchpad tab, and make sure its enabled
[19:38] <KM0201> you sure you reinstalled maverick?
[19:38] <KM0201> lol
[19:39] <scoundrel50a> Tried that, still not working, and I am seeing if the wireless is working too, about to check that.
[19:40] <scoundrel50a> wireless is ok
[19:40] <sulumar> Greetings
[19:40] <deadsmith> Hey all.. anyone know if the installer works on an XServe2,1?
[19:40] <deadsmith> It requires grub to boot uEFI...
[19:40] <scoundrel50a> yes, definately got Maverick
[19:40] <scoundrel50a> been a long afternoon, lol.
[19:41] <ubuntuguy> I want to make sure it's not only me. Does ubuntu 11.04 want you to install partial upgrades?
[19:41] <KM0201> hmm
[19:41] <KM0201> ubuntuguy: dunno, i just use terminal to upgrade
[19:41] <KM0201> its never mentioned it was a partial
[19:41] <sulumar> just installed Natty beta to test Unity
[19:42] <ubuntuguy> What's the command line?
[19:42] <sulumar> but it s kinda hard to get used to it
[19:42] <Willis420> last time when i had 10.10, i had no wireless and had to use failsafe resolution, any suggestions on what i need to do?
[19:43] <BluesKaj> scoundrel50a, there's gotta be an option to reset the resolution...but I can't recall where to set it in gnome ,since I run KDE mostly
[19:43] <ubuntuguy> What's the command line KMO?
[19:44] <BluesKaj> ubuntuguy, open the terminal that's where the command line is used
[19:44] <ubuntuguy> ik that...
[19:44] <hardcold> hello. I've connected a second monitor to my laptop and would like to make it the primary monitor. I don't see how to do this with Catalyst
[19:44] <ubuntuguy> But what's the command line to perform updates...
[19:44] <hardcold> I was using the display prefs in Unity which screwed things up and then realized I should be using catalyst
[19:44] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get update , ubuntuguy
[19:45] <ubuntuguy> cool thanks
[19:45] <ubuntuguy> Figured that
[19:45] <hardcold> does anyone use a latpop with a second display and catalyst?
[19:46] <CT1> Hi.  How can I clear my recent documents?  a right-click option (which is what I instinctively tried) doesn't seem to exist.
[19:46] <BluesKaj> !console | ubuntuguy
[19:46] <ubuntuguy> Idk, I think I need to do particole upgrades
[19:46] <coz_> CT1,  there is a command      python -c "import gtk; gtk.recent_manager_get_default().purge_items()"
[19:47] <coz_> CT1,  you can asign that python command to a keystroke,,, gesture,, or  icon
[19:47] <coz_> CT1,  or if you are running compiz   set it as one of the edge commands  then just  hit that edge to remove recent documents
[19:48] <bin_bash> HAHA I GOT IT TO WORK THROUGH THE COMMAND PROMPT!
[19:48] <bin_bash> now i just need to set an alias
[19:48] <bin_bash> and set it to not require a pasword for sudo
[19:48] <bin_bash> how do i do that
[19:48] <KM0201> bin_bash: thats not a good idea
[19:48] <KM0201> i wouldn't do that
[19:48] <hardcold> coz_: do you know how to make a secondary display the primary disblay (ideally disbale the laptop and just use the external) using catalyst?
[19:49] <bin_bash> why i did it before
[19:49] <KM0201> bin_bash: because it cause a fundamental safety layer of ubuntu, to be dsiabled
[19:49] <coz_> hardcold,   ah on a laptop I would assume it has a switch for that,, if nvidia  video you can change it within  nvidia-settings...other than that I am not sure
[19:49] <BluesKaj> KM0201, as long as he's not in a work environment , setting alaises and sudoers isn't so bad
[19:49] <bin_bash> No, not disable ALL sudo, just for this one command. I'll ask my friend. We did it last time
[19:49] <KM0201> bin_bash: its kinda like if you're using a linux distro that has a root gui login.. and using root al the time.
[19:49] <phibxr> lcb, seem to work fine again after the latest updates. chrome opened maximized as it should.
[19:49] <KM0201> bin_bash: ohhh i thought you meant disable all root, sorry.
[19:50] <bin_bash> nono
[19:50] <KM0201> bin_bash: you should be able to set the command to run on boot up (but i'm not sure exactly how
[19:50] <Omega> bin_bash: Add it to your sudoers file.
[19:50] <CT1> coz_ many thanks.  I assume I can save "import gtk; gtk.recent_manager_get_default().purge_items()" to a file "clear-recent.py" and run when needed?  For a release that appears to be geared to the less tech savvy crowd, there are some things still missing/more complicated
[19:50] <coz_> CT1,  I would assume so although I never bothered with that part of it
[19:51] <coz_> CT1,   yeah if you had asked someone in #gnome they would have told you there is no pssible way to delete  recent documents  with a command
[19:51] <coz_> oy
[19:51]  * BluesKaj finds aliases and sudoers edits very handy
[19:52] <KM0201> where is the sudoers file at/
[19:53] <rwhittle> i have a kernel hiccup, recently, on asus p7h55-m pro the usb ports hibernate even after gdm has loaded.  it hasn't always been this way.  its defintely kernel releated.  produces no bug data.
[19:53] <rwhittle> awakens after 2-3 minutes
[19:54] <shaun_k> :S  just lost the top bar on my terminal window...thanks unity!
[19:54] <KM0201> lol
[19:54] <KM0201> shaun_k: did you maximize the terminal window?
[19:55] <shaun_k> it was maximised, then i restored it but it decide to forget to re-add the top bar!
[19:55] <BluesKaj> KM0201, in the terminal: sudo visudo , there is a file in etc/sudoers , but it's not recommended to edit that file ..it should be done with vi in the terminal
[19:55] <bin_bash> haha i got a gui script, KM0201
[19:55] <KM0201> ic
[19:56] <KM0201> bin_bash: for the win
[19:56] <KM0201> brb
[19:57] <bin_bash> ikno
[19:57] <CT1> Is there a live "vent your anger at missing/broken features channel" or is official bug reporting the only channel?
[19:57] <BluesKaj> KM0201, editing the sudoers file can give open files as root without being asked for the pw.
[19:57] <coz_> CT1,   do you by chance use easystroke?
[19:57] <yofel> actually, you should edit sudo with 'sudo visudo' it'll use whatever your preferred editor is
[19:57] <yofel> *edit sudoers
[19:58] <BluesKaj> give permission , KM0201 , is what I meant to say
[19:58] <CT1> coz_: unless it's something installed by default I presume not.
[19:58] <lcb> phibxr, yes, i'm updating it now... indeed, tons of is :)
[19:59] <lcb> is/it
[19:59] <Machtin> any known issues regarding nouveau not working?
[19:59] <coz_> CT1,  ok,,, it is a systemic gesture recognition application...top of the line  on any  platform but made only for linux,,, quite remarkable and I have used these on mac and windows  ,, this is the most outstanding ,, also I believe it to be the best "companion" application for linux in general  and compiz  as well
[19:59] <bin_bash> there has to be a way so that I can skip the password for this app
[19:59] <coz_> CT1,   watch a few youtube videos about easystroke
[20:00] <CT1> coz_: Will do.  Many thanks for your time
[20:01] <coz_> CT1,  no problem..  check it out,, it may be  worth the effort,,, one WARNING  however,,, once you use easystroke  you wont like linux any other way 8)
[20:02] <BluesKaj> KM0201, check the pm
[20:05] <damadprof> Hi guys; I'm on unity and must admit that I love it! Much easier now to get to things, however, my problem; when I popped a usb stick in the laptop it found it and mounted it, yet I am not having much luck in this build, is this a possible bug?
[20:06]  * genii-around ponders if lack of luck could be considered a bug
[20:07] <ubuntuguy> Yeah, they want you to do partial upgrade to install some ipod thing
[20:07] <yofel> if some mozilla folks consider not having a girlfriend as a bug I guess not having luck is valid too
[20:07] <genii-around> yofel: :)
[20:08] <damadprof> why the sarc?
[20:08] <yofel> damadprof: sry, not intentional, can you try to plug it in and check your output of 'dmesg' in a terminal for wether the drive is correctly recognised?
[20:09] <delac> damadprof: also tell if you see it on nautilus?
[20:13] <damadprof> UBS disconnect address 3; cannot find it nautilus :(
[20:13] <damadprof> USB
[20:13] <genii-around> damadprof: Your problem is when trying to compile (build) something? Or stick mounts but is not readable?
[20:13] <damadprof> stick does not mount at all
[20:14] <yofel> can you pastebin the last like 20 lines from dmesg?
[20:14] <yofel> !paste
[20:14] <damadprof> u'll have to give me a minute --> phone
[20:15] <genii-around> Some of those sticks behave like a CD now
[20:17] <mongy> you mean the isofs partition they have
[20:17] <mongy> had one on mine , luckily there was a tool to remove it
[20:17] <damadprof> back
[20:17] <damadprof> http://paste.debian.net/114502
[20:18] <damadprof> Is that what u needed?
[20:19] <yofel> hm, rather can you pastebin what 'dmesg | tail -n 25' gives you?
[20:19] <damadprof> ok
[20:20] <genii-around> mongy: I'm not sure it's just a partition thing. Because my bios picks it up as a CD as well
[20:20] <damadprof> http://paste.debian.net/114505
[20:20] <mongy> yeah its seen as a cd...
[20:24] <yofel> damadprof: does it automatically disconnect it?
[20:25] <damadprof> nothing happens, the stick's light flickers and then nothing
[20:25] <damadprof> no mount, no files - nothing
[20:26] <yofel> damadprof: no, I mean does the 'usb 2-4: USB disconnect, address 6' appear without you doing anything?
[20:26] <damadprof> yep
[20:27] <yofel> hm, no idea then. You could file a bug against the kernel possibly with 'ubuntu-bug linux' and then wait if someone else has an idea
[20:28] <reagle> howdy, testing Kubuntu beta2 with a NVIDIA GeForce 7200GS video card. I can't use compositing with nvidia and nouveau, what other option do I have?
[20:28] <damadprof> ok thnx
[20:28] <yofel> reagle: doesn't work with both? What does it say when you try to enable it?
[20:29] <reagle> Failed to activate desktop effects using the given configuration options. Settings will be reverted to their previous values.
[20:29] <reagle> Check your X configuration. You may also consider changing advanced options, especially changing the compositing type.
[20:30] <mongy> damadprof,  my stick doesnt automount either, light flashes for quite a while.   I can click it in nautilus and  mount it tho
[20:30] <damadprof> mine does not pop up in nautilus :(
[20:30] <yofel> reagle: what does 'glxinfo | grep render' say?
[20:31] <reagle> yofel: brb
[20:31] <mongy> damadprof, odd...  natty is looking to be a bit of a backwards step for a few things for me, so far anyway...
[20:33] <damadprof> everything else works fine, it's just that I have 290 page book on the stick which isn't finished yet, this is why I need the file.
[20:33] <mar> Hello. Anyone has idea what's this dot? Looks like dead pixel ;) (top toolbar, white dot, right) http://mar.lt/uploads/Screenshot.png
[20:35] <delac> mongy: if you want your sticks to automount, look gconf /apps/nautilus/preferences/media_automount
[20:37] <mongy> its ticked
[20:37] <delac> mongy: hmm...
[20:38] <mongy> its a natty thing.. maverick is ok.  then again,  I dont get write cache errors in maverick when I insert it
[20:40] <mongy> http://pastebin.com/JzuPGmeq
[20:41] <reagle> yofel: OK, I have xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, jockey, and nvidia-common installed. Trying to turn on compositiing gives an error message (though while the error pop is active, I actually have compositing, i.e., my windows have shadows)
[20:41] <reagle> direct rendering: Yes
[20:41] <reagle> OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer ...
[20:42] <reagle> my xorg.conf in minimal and simply has a device section declaring the nouveau driver.
[20:43] <yofel> hm, ~/.xsession-errors should get some kwin output what it thinks about the driver when you try to enable it
[20:43] <[diablo]> evening #ubuntu+1
[20:43] <yofel> also, there was a mesa issue with intel, so maybe that affects nouveau too, make sure libgl1-mesa-dri is 7.10.2-0ubuntu2
[20:43] <[diablo]> anyone know if it is possible to get wobbly windows etc going in 11.04 b2 please?
[20:43] <reagle> yep: 7.10.2-0ubuntu2
[20:43] <[diablo]> btw, I am running gnome classic , no unity
[20:44] <KM0201> [diablo]: whats your graphics device?
[20:44] <[diablo]> intel
[20:44] <[diablo]> KM0201, I had it all going in 10.04
[20:44] <KM0201> depensd on the intel.. but gnome classic, doesn't have any desktop effects at all in it....
[20:44] <mongy> install ccsm
[20:45] <KM0201> thats how its set up.
[20:45] <reagle> I see a bunch like these: link XMLID_34_ hasn't been detected!
[20:45] <[diablo]> ah ok
[20:45] <[diablo]> I see the "Apperance" menu now does not have the option to enable all effects etc
[20:45] <KM0201> i'm not even sure if you can use ccsm in classic.. i guess you could try
[20:45] <yofel> reagle: check what kwin logs to .xsession-errors as I said, it should be something like this http://pastebin.com/9dGB8GV7 (I'm using nvidia-current)
[20:46] <robin0800> KM0201, try compiz --replace
[20:46] <[diablo]> well its running compiz atm
[20:46] <[diablo]> cos it has shadows etc
[20:46] <KM0201> robin0800: i'm not having a compiz problem... [diablo] is.. i wasn't sure if you could do it or not.
[20:47] <yofel> install compizconfig-settings-manager and try to enable it if it's diabled?
[20:47] <yofel> no idea if it'll work
[20:47] <[diablo]> yeah, ccsm will do the job I guess.... :)
[20:47] <[diablo]> cheers guys
[20:47] <reagle> yofel: http://pastebin.com/nvB5am0L
[20:48] <yofel> reagle: the problem seems to be kwin(1731): OpenGL Software Rasterizer detected. Falling back to XRender. No idea what to do there though
[20:48] <reagle> hrmm...
[20:48] <[diablo]> dunno about you guys, but I just can not fall in love with Unity at all :-\
[20:48] <reagle> my options are nouveau and nvidia-current, if neither works, no compositing, yes?
[20:48] <yofel> I did have basic compositing with kwin though when I tried nouveau for a while
[20:48] <KM0201> [diablo]: it took me a few days... i like it..
[20:49] <[diablo]> KM0201, really ... mmm
[20:49] <yofel> reagle: if no one works, no compositing yes, but that shouldn't be the case...
[20:49] <[diablo]> KM0201, found it too buggy
[20:49] <KM0201> [diablo]: its not perfect, far from it.. bu ti didn't expect it to be.. i suspect it will be tweaked quite a bit between now and 11.10, and maybe even 12.04
[20:49] <[diablo]> KM0201, for example, Chrome having 4 buttons instead of 2
[20:49] <yofel> reagle: can you pastebin your nouveau session /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[20:50] <[diablo]> KM0201, maybe I give it another go :)
[20:50] <BluesKaj> reagle, which nvidia card and on board or pci ?
[20:50] <reagle> BluesKaj: Zotac Nvidia GeForce 7200 GS PCI
[20:51] <reagle> yofel: http://pastebin.com/KXRbGjfM
[20:51] <[diablo]> bbiam
[20:52] <torchie> nautilus isn't letting me change the read/write permissions of this folder, either under the regular user or root
[20:52] <BluesKaj> reagle, the nvidia-curent should work fine it should be listed in admin/additional HW
[20:52] <torchie> every time I select an option for "file access" it just changes back to --
[20:53] <yofel> reagle: that looks fine, if you already had the current mesa version installed when you logged in it should be fine, try nvidia-current if it's listed as BluesKaj said
[20:53] <reagle> BluesKaj: not sure what you are referring to admin/additional HW, but I did try nvidia-current and it didn't work either. Turning on compositing did not yield a pop-error, but basically what was painted to the screen froze until I turned compositing off
[20:53] <reagle> (I'm using KDE btw)
[20:54] <torchie> hmm
[20:54] <yofel> you did tell xorg.conf to use nvidia after installing nvidia-current ?
[20:54] <torchie> i don't think it's letting me change the ownership of all of the files in the folder
[20:55] <bjsnider> reagle, to properly install and activate nvidia-current run sudo jockey-text -e xorg:nvidia_current
[20:55] <reagle> yofel: I usually just delete the xorg and I think it defaults to nvidia then...?
[20:55] <yofel> er no? it defaults to nouveau in that case
[20:55] <reagle> hrmm... ok, let me try switching back to nvidia-current
[20:56] <BluesKaj> reagle, then it should be in kmenu/apps/system/additional drivers and it should be the rtecommended driver there
[20:58] <reagle> ...building DKMS...
[20:58] <reagle> bjsnider: jreagle:/root> jockey-text -e xorg:nvidia_current
[20:58] <reagle> ERROR:root:Could not find any typelib for AppIndicator
[20:59] <bjsnider> use sudo
[20:59] <reagle> restarting X
[21:01] <scoundrel50a> KM020: not sure if you are still here, but I finally managed to work out what the problem was with my touchpad it was happening in Windows as well. It was Fn turned it off. I tried all the Fn + F1 etc and I think it was Fn + F5 or F6 and it turned the touchpad back on.
[21:01] <scoundrel50a> sorry, that was for KM0201
[21:01]  * BluesKaj still thinks there should be a kubuntu+1 chat ...things are becoming confusing ..but may be it's just me in my grumpy old age
[21:02] <scoundrel50a> taken me all this time to work it out.
[21:02] <reagle> ok, back
[21:02] <yofel> BluesKaj: sure would be useful in beta times, but I guess we can still manage somehow..
[21:02] <bjsnider> yes, there should be a place where all 5 kubuntu users can chat
[21:02] <yofel> heh
[21:02] <reagle> Additional drivers lists "NVIDIA accerlated graphics driver (version current) [Recommended]"
[21:02] <BluesKaj> BluesKaj #kubuntu+1 Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited...heh
[21:02] <reagle> "This driver is activated but not currently in use"
[21:03] <yofel> reagle: please check your xorg.conf and _reboot_, not restart X
[21:03] <yofel> BluesKaj: that happens if you're already in #ubuntu+1, otherwise you get redirected here ^^
[21:03] <reagle> yofel: i did reboot, and there is no xorg.conf presently.
[21:03] <BluesKaj> reagle, did you choose the recommended driver in system/additional hardware
[21:04] <yofel> then add an xorg.conf, the nvidia driver isn't used otherwise
[21:04] <reagle> BluesKaj: not sure what you mean check it, there's only one option in the top box, and it is green.
[21:04]  * BluesKaj shrugs ...using the gui to install the driver worked for me :)
[21:05] <reagle> I'm pretty sure the driver is loaded: OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 7300 SE/7200 GS/PCI/SSE2
[21:05] <reagle> (from glxinfo)
[21:05] <yfk> I've installed nvidia-current and it seems the driver works and all but the monitor detector only detects one of my two monitors, how can I fix this?
[21:05] <yofel> reagle: check your xorg.log then to make sure it's being used right
[21:05] <reagle> yofel: what should my xorg.conf say?
[21:06] <bjsnider> reagle, can you start the nvidia-settings app without an error message?
[21:06] <yofel> reagle: http://paste.kde.org/13772/ (except the brightness option)
[21:06] <yofel> I had to add that for me
[21:06] <reagle> bjsnider: yep, looking at NVIDIA X Server Settings now.
[21:06] <bjsnider> ok, try glxgears from a console
[21:07] <reagle> glxgears works fine
[21:07] <bjsnider> well, you don't have any trouble with opengl
[21:07] <bjsnider> compositing should work
[21:08] <reagle> when i click to enable in KDE, still get "Failed to activate desktop effects using the given configuration options. Settings will be reverted to their previous values. Check your X configuration. You may also consider changing advanced options, especially changing the compositing type."
[21:08] <reagle> let me try yofel's xorg.conf
[21:08] <bjsnider> meh, kde is crap
[21:09] <reagle> ok, restarting, brb
[21:10] <BluesKaj> reagle, too many cooks too many commands ... the nvidia driver should have installed with gui in additional HW without a hitch .
[21:11] <BluesKaj> hmm
[21:13] <reagle> no compositing, and still have screen corruptions... xsession errors: http://paste.pound-python.org/show/5441/
[21:13] <reagle> still lots of XMLID_* errors
[21:16] <bin_bash> guise my lag is liek over9000
[21:16] <reagle> This sounds exactly like my problem when I first had the fresh install and compositing was turned on: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2418814&postcount=7
[21:19] <bin_bash> ISN'T BETA TESTING FUN?!
[21:19] <guntbert> bin_bash: why else would we do it?
[21:20] <bin_bash> The correct answer is: "Yes. I love having weird bugs and crashes and rebooting every five minutes."
[21:20] <guntbert> I thought so :)
[21:21] <BluesKaj> ok enuff for one day , time to find out what's happening elsewhwere in the scheme of things
[21:22] <torchie> strange, firefox changed from unity bar back to regular menubar
[21:22] <bin_bash> I wonder why there is no wireless driver yet
[21:22] <picca> really liking ubuntu 11.04 and Unity .. ubuntu is starting to feel very smooth and slick
[21:22] <torchie> word
[21:22] <bin_bash> I'm not a fan of unity. I'm still using gnome lol
[21:22] <torchie> with beta 2 all of the unity stuff started working without freezing all the time on my machine
[21:22] <torchie> now if only I could get the damned battery working
[21:23] <bin_bash> oh man everything freezes all the time for me lol
[21:23] <torchie> because this system is hottttt
[21:23] <torchie> heh I'm wondering how different it'll be when running stable as opposed to the current beta
[21:23] <bin_bash> Probably not very, tbh
[21:24] <bin_bash> I /really/ wish I could be running lucid right now
[21:24] <picca> the only issue i have with Ubuntu 11.04 is that if i use autofs/smb then ubuntu will not shut down properly and hangs .. doesn't do this on 10.10 so hoping they sort it out by the 28th but doubt it
[21:24] <torchie> this is my first time using a linux distro as my main
[21:24] <torchie> speaking of that, how are software center updates managed?
[21:25] <torchie> through update manager as with anything else?
[21:25] <KM0201> bin_bash: you still having probs?
[21:25] <bin_bash> the ONE thing I'm hoping for with the new release is the wireless driver
[21:25] <bin_bash> KM0201: but of course@
[21:25] <KM0201> lol
[21:26] <bin_bash> I now have 20 minutes uptime! WOW!
[21:26] <KM0201> lol
[21:26] <torchie> I'm on day 2 :D
[21:26]  * KM0201 has 9hrs uptime
[21:26] <torchie> before under unity I only got like 2 hours uptime
[21:26] <dotti> I've got a problem on a system, the "menubar" of unity is only showing the name of the active window nothing else. Any ideas on how to troubleshoot that?
[21:26] <torchie> had to run Classic to rely on the computer
[21:26] <bin_bash> and then you had to reboot?
[21:26] <torchie> but now, smooth operation
[21:26] <torchie> not just reboot
[21:26] <torchie> force shutdown
[21:27] <bin_bash> oh fun!
[21:27] <picca> Unity works like a beauty here
[21:27] <torchie> everything but cursor froze so i had to hold power
[21:27] <KM0201> picca: same here
[21:27] <bin_bash> honestly, i can't even use classic with effects. I don't want to /try/ unity
[21:27] <torchie> well, I'm about to restart the machine for the hell of it
[21:27] <picca> has anyone tried gnome 3 yet
[21:27] <picca> here that is
[21:27] <bin_bash> ugh these libraries are freezing
[21:28] <bin_bash> while downloadig
[21:28] <bin_bash> download is so.slow.
[21:28] <bin_bash> brb
[21:28] <dotti> Was the way I asked my question crap, or was it alright? Did I make myself clear?
[21:29] <picca> dotti, eh
[21:29] <hardcold> bin_bash: just out of curiousity, why don't you run ubuntu as a VM machine in OSX until the new hardware is accounted for?
[21:29] <yofel> dotti: does it show anything else if you go to the menu?
[21:29] <yofel> with the mouse I mean
[21:30] <dotti> yofel: no, nothing. its not like on other systems where the other items appear
[21:32] <BUGabundo> evening
[21:33] <dotti> I take it that this is not just plain sillyness of me, not knowing of some setting and it might be a bug
[21:46] <deithrian> will there be a way to run 11.04 without Unity? Will the Classic desktop with no effects remain option? Is there something better then Classic but without Unity?
[21:46] <KM0201> deithrian: for 11.04, yes.. after that, no.
[21:47] <deithrian> KM0201, i saw a Gnome shell or something that didn't have Unity, how do i run that?
[21:48] <deithrian> Also congrats on the invisible scroll bars :) that should troll new users better then ms word paperclip haha
[21:49] <deithrian> Gnome is reaching new levels of inconvenient interface :)
[21:50] <deithrian> I just can't figure out why would you bet the most used Linux distro to that change
[21:51] <darkfile> hello
[21:52] <deithrian> Is there a website that explains the reasoning behind Unity and the invisible scroll bars and all that Jazz?
[21:52] <darkfile> how do i make a useful bug report of a computer freezing during the shutdown process?
[21:52] <deithrian> i really want to peek in the mind of the person/s who decided to do this :)
[21:52] <darkfile> it happens reproducible on every shutdown
[21:55] <charlie-tca> darkfile: You file a bug against linux, and attach /var/log/dmesg.0 , kern.log.1, syslog.1, Xorg.0.log.old
[21:55] <charlie-tca> which should all have information about shut down, instead of current startup
[21:56] <darkfile> ah so i can see the moment where it breaks in these logs?
[21:56] <charlie-tca> should be able to
[21:56] <zniavre> deithrian, http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/615
[21:57] <darkfile> i will try it right away (its on the notebook next to me)
[21:57] <deithrian> zniavre, god bless you thanks :)
[22:03] <BUGabundo1> Current status: 203 updates [+197], 42851 new [-13].
[22:03] <BUGabundo1> Need to get 406 MB of archives. After unpacking 44.2 MB will be used.
[22:06] <KM0201> BUGabundo1: lol, that just doesn't compute
[22:06] <yofel> BUGabundo1: you didn't update very often did you? :P
[22:06]  * KM0201 hasn't had any updates all day today
[22:06] <BUGabundo1> since last week or so
[22:06] <BUGabundo1> I was away
[22:07] <KM0201> ha, like thats an excuse
[22:08] <KM0201> wow, just realized i wasn't getting updates, cuz i wasn't on the "main server"
[22:09] <KM0201> i switched to it, and now i'm needing 46mb
[22:09] <BUGabundo1> KM0201: deb mirror://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt natty main restricted universe multiverse
[22:09] <BUGabundo1> deb http://mirrors.fe.up.pt/pub/ubuntu/ natty main restricted universe multiverse
[22:09] <BUGabundo1> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty main restricted universe multiverse
[22:09] <KM0201> i didn't realize that would make a difference, guess the server i was on, hadn't updated today
[22:10] <BUGabundo1> you can use the mirror list
[22:10] <BUGabundo1> a certain mirror, or main
[22:10] <BUGabundo1> but avoid main, since its load is higher
[22:10] <KM0201> BUGabundo1: i did... i was using a mirror.. and it didn't update me when i ran sudo apt-get upgrade about 45min ago.
[22:10] <BUGabundo1> ehe
[22:10] <KM0201> i just decided to check again, cuz you said you had a lot, and switched to main, and ran it again, and voila.. updates
[22:10] <BUGabundo1> mirrors are usually updated between 1h to 6h
[22:11] <KM0201> no explanation.. :)
[22:11] <BUGabundo1> jpds  can explain better :P
[22:12] <KM0201> BUGabundo1: no big deal really
[22:12] <KM0201> for some reason though, i never get update notifications
[22:12] <BUGabundo1> yofel: have you seen http://xkcd.com/887/  2014 ?
[22:13] <KM0201> lol
[22:15] <KM0201> pretty interesting timeline
[22:16] <KM0201> updates/upgrades done.. ;0
[22:17] <BUGabundo1> 54% [167 libreoffice-core 4572883/28.6 MB 15%] [10 chromium-browser-dbg 80639918/173 MB 46%]                                                236 kB/s 13min 2s
[22:17] <BUGabundo1> still downloading
[22:18] <KM0201> fail
[22:19] <KM0201> does anyone know how to remove some of hte "default" icons on the side panel in unity?.. like the trash can, and the file search,..
[22:19] <KM0201> i figured out how to add/remove programs.
[22:20] <bin_bash> my sound sounds... weird. tinny.
[22:21] <bin_bash> the sound isn't as full as it should be,
[22:21] <KM0201> wow, my wireless button works now...lol
[22:21] <bin_bash> i hate you
[22:22] <KM0201> i noticed it flashing (which it hasn't done since 7.10).. and i pushed it, and boom, kicked me of fline
[22:22] <KM0201> lol
[22:22] <KM0201> i'm sorry bin_bash but its cuz i don't own a mac.
[22:22] <bin_bash> oh right
[22:22] <KM0201> lol, not to mention, my laptop is pretty close to ancient
[22:22] <KM0201> probably more tha latter than the former
[22:22] <bin_bash> how can i fix this sound problem. i already have alsa
[22:22] <KM0201> whats the sound problem?
[22:22] <bin_bash> it sounds tinny
[22:23] <bin_bash> not as full as it should
[22:23] <KM0201> well, open alsamixer in terminal
[22:23] <bin_bash> i have gnome-alsamixer
[22:23] <bin_bash> nice gui
[22:24] <KM0201> i'm not familiar w/ gnome alsamixer, but generaly... master, and 'PCM', are what effect how loud your output is.
[22:24] <yofel> BUGabundo1: not yet, looking
[22:24] <bin_bash> pcm is up all the way
[22:24] <bin_bash> master just turns it louder
[22:24] <KM0201> bin_bash: well, yeah.. if its to quiet, isn't that what you want?
[22:25] <bin_bash> no
[22:25] <bin_bash> it's not full enough. the volume is fine., it just sounds crappy
[22:25] <KM0201> oh..
[22:25] <KM0201> i have no idea on that one./
[22:25] <KM0201> i don't mess w/ sound probs to often
[22:26] <KM0201> i think you should your new macbook back, and exchange it for one just like your old one
[22:26] <KM0201> then you'll <3 it again
[22:28] <yofel> BUGabundo1: :D
[22:29] <torchie> argh
[22:29] <torchie> for some reason my mom's computer doesn't open odts in word 2007
[22:29] <KM0201> hmm.
[22:29] <yofel> and thanks for reminding me that Tue Jan 19 03:14:08 UTC 2038 is the day of linux apocalypse
[22:29] <KM0201> bin_bash: maybe you should try another distro, opensuse, fedora, ?
[22:29] <yofel> then again, let's hope 32bit is deprecated by then
[22:29] <KM0201> you seem familiar w/ RH
[22:31] <KM0201> OMG!  Mrs Elizabeth Smith has just finished my draft in the mount of 500,000,000 United States dollars in my name!
[22:32] <KM0201> apparently all i have to do is give DHL my bank account information.. and she was nice enough to give me DHL's international number!
[22:32] <KM0201> man, some people have all the luck
[22:34] <Omega> !ot | KM0201
[22:35] <KM0201> day late and a dollar short Omega that was 5min ago... loses its thunder when you're not right on top of it.
[22:35] <Omega> Stop cluttering this channel with your off-topic talk.
[22:35] <yofel> sry
[22:35] <Omega> Really, stop it, some people want help.
[22:35] <KM0201> Omega: nobody was asking a question.;
[22:35] <Omega> No one cares, just cut it out.
[22:35] <KM0201> when you're my father, you can tell me what to do.
[22:36]  * yofel is used to the chan being almost silent, again, sry
[22:37] <yofel> off to bed anyway, good night
[22:37] <picca> just picked up another ubuntu update in the last ten minutes and now ubuntu doesn't freeze on shutdown
[22:37] <BUGabundo1> nn yofel
[22:38] <KM0201> picca: well thats good.
[22:38] <KM0201> nighters yofel
[22:39] <picca> KM0201, before it would hang trying to umount my smb mount on shutdown ... but they've obviously changed something that fixes it ... i am one happy dude now lol
[22:39] <KM0201> picca: love it when a plan comes together.. :)
[22:39] <picca> lol KM0201
[22:39] <KM0201> picca: i've had so few problems since i installed the beta, i almost feel like i just installed the stable release
[22:40] <KM0201> i've had that one, very minor, "walking window" bug... but beyond that.. its been smooth sailing
[22:40] <shaun_k> is that the alt-tab thing?
[22:40] <KM0201> no
[22:40] <picca> KM0201, that is the only problem i've had with it and now that is fixed it feels just like 10.10 in terms of stableness ... tempted to use it now on my main partition ... very impressed with the beta this time
[22:41] <KM0201> shaun_k: http://s82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/IndyGunFreak/?action=view&current=demo.mp4
[22:41] <orgy> Real quick question, Ive been using the nvidia blob drivers and I decided to try nouveau. I have the dri-experimental package installed but I cannot get 3d working.  Am I missing something?
[22:42] <KM0201> woops
[22:43] <picca> KM0201, i took one look at Unity screenshots and though i would try out Mint ... but having tried Unity i can honestly say canonical are on to something good here
[22:43] <shaun_k> KM0201: that looks pretty irritating!
[22:43] <KM0201> shaun_k: its not that bad.. i just pay attention when i'm double clicking the titlebar..
[22:43] <KM0201> there's certainly worse bugs i could have
[22:44] <KM0201> picca: i totally agree... its not perfect yet (far from it).. but i think as time goes on, and its "tweaked" and bugs are worked out, etc.. i think by 12.04, maybe 11.10, unity is gonna be really good
[22:45] <Omega> KM0201: Is this about a problem someone's having or are you just chatting?
[22:46] <picca> KM0201, i agree and probably expect 11.10 to be a slick release ... i actually like how canonical have come up with something different to Win7 and OSX .. it would have been so easy to copy the OSX dock - glad they didn't as Unity is so much better IMHO
[22:46] <KM0201> Omega: we were discussing unity.. why don't you get your panties out of a wad.. i'm sorry you're lonely and unpopular, i'm not.
[22:46] <torchie> how so
[22:47] <KM0201> picca: i agree
[22:47] <mar> yeah but 10.04 doesn't work :/
[22:47] <xiambax> how can i update and bypass authentication?
[22:47] <mar> 11.04 :/
[22:48] <mar> xiambax: you can't update without root if that's what you ask
[22:48] <xiambax> no
[22:48] <xiambax> thats not what i mean
[22:48] <xiambax> i mean the packages that authenticate
[22:48] <BUGabundo> humm
[22:49] <BUGabundo> some update is breaking mouse interaction
[22:49] <BUGabundo> or at least pidgin is all messed up
[22:49] <KM0201> BUGabundo: my laptop was acting weird while running the last round of updates, but it seems to be running ok "after" them..
[22:49] <KM0201> i gotta restart though.
[22:49] <KM0201> brb.
[22:50] <Omega> !language | KM0201
[22:50] <BUGabundo> Omega: hum?
[22:51] <shaun_k> what language?
[22:51] <Omega> BUGabundo: What?
[22:51] <BUGabundo> what language ?
[22:51] <Omega> Do I have to quote him?
[22:51] <BUGabundo> "brb" ?
[22:51] <Omega> < KM0201> Omega: we were discussing unity.. why don't you get your panties out of a wad.. i'm sorry you're lonely and unpopular, i'm not.
[22:52] <BUGabundo> missed that
[22:52] <KM0201> missed what?
[22:52] <Omega> He missed the part where you were attacking me personally.
[22:52] <KM0201> oh please
[22:53] <BUGabundo> KM0201: just calm down
[22:53] <torchie> QUESTION
[22:53] <torchie> why u all mad?
[22:53] <BUGabundo> no need to iritate him more
[22:53] <KM0201> BUGabundo: i am.. he's had it out for me for 3 days.
[22:53] <BUGabundo> nevermind
[22:54] <torchie> i am filing this altercation in Launchpad
[22:54] <xiambax> Who. People. People.
[22:54] <BUGabundo> bread and let it go
[22:54] <BUGabundo> its the best you can do
[22:54] <KM0201> lol
[22:54] <xiambax> Why can't we be friends! Why can't we be friends! Why can't we be friends.
[22:54] <torchie> sdfasdf
[22:54] <torchie> oy what's with my cursor!
[22:54] <KM0201> BUGabundo: i understnad what you're saying.. he doesn't bother me, but apparently i bother him, cuz if i say anything, he starts complaining... he didn't like i was talking about unity.. fo rwhatever reason
[22:55] <Omega> I don't care what you think of me, just respect the rules of this channel.
[22:55] <jpds> Ohai.
[22:55] <BUGabundo> guys
[22:55] <BUGabundo> please
[22:55] <BUGabundo> BOTH of you, one to each corner
[22:55] <Omega> What did I do?
[22:55] <BUGabundo> we don't really want a fight in here
[22:55] <KM0201> BUGabundo: i don't.. like i said, talk to omega, read the logs, he's been like this towards me for 3 days.
[22:55] <BUGabundo> or do I need to call you both on OPs?
[22:56] <BUGabundo> KM0201: I wasn't in here for almost a week
[22:56] <BUGabundo> sorry
[22:56] <Omega> KM0201: Even rww had to come in and tell you to stop the or chat.
[22:56] <Omega> ot*
[22:56] <BUGabundo> nor is my place to mediate this
[22:56] <KM0201> Omega: you seem toforget he also warned you.
[22:56] <BUGabundo> ok guys
[22:56] <BUGabundo> you both
[22:56] <BUGabundo> SHUT up
[22:56] <BUGabundo> really
[22:56] <BUGabundo> let it got
[22:56] <BUGabundo> start fresh
[22:56] <BUGabundo> jizzas
[22:56] <Omega> Just respect the rules.
[22:56] <BUGabundo> thanks jpds
[22:56]  * BUGabundo goes
[22:58] <lcb> oh bouyy.... these latest 2 sets of  updates, today, messed a bit with desktops... window positioning when apps open, dragging conducting to crashes, even X. to mention only few.
[22:58] <BUGabundo> lcb: yeah
[22:58] <BUGabundo> im seeing X probs here too
[22:58] <KM0201> thats a unity problem.. you probably need to try and find a unity channel
[22:59] <BUGabundo> KM0201: using Classic
[22:59] <KM0201> BUGabundo: hmm, gnome/
[22:59] <KM0201> ?
[22:59] <xiambax> xiambax@Horus:~$ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3
[22:59] <xiambax> Error reading https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3: <urlopen error [Errno 8] _ssl.c:499: EOF occurred in violation of protocol>
[22:59] <xiambax> xiambax@Horus:~$
[22:59] <xiambax> wtf?
[22:59] <KM0201> xiambax: where'd you get the link?
[22:59] <lcb> for instance, look at this: $ gedit --sync | glues the window to the top left, then i drag it a bit with ALT+LeftMouse, then, if i decide to resize it: /
[23:00] <lcb> The program 'gedit' received an X Window System error.
[23:00] <lcb> This probably reflects a bug in the program.
[23:00] <lcb> The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'.
[23:00] <lcb>   (Details: serial 4649 error_code 11 request_code 53 minor_code 0
[23:00] <xiambax> https://edge.launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3
[23:01] <lcb> checking w 'top' the resources are just fine
[23:02] <lcb> tomorrow will be another day, probably another daily build install on this pc.
[23:04] <freaky[t]> if i wanna install ubuntu beta on my desktop computer, how do i make place for ubuntu? like, can i re-partition my hdd without having to delete any partition and without data loss?
[23:05] <lcb> freaky[t], you have it with another OS installed or just data
[23:05] <freaky[t]> another OS
[23:06] <freaky[t]> win7
[23:06] <KM0201> freaky[t]: there's always a risk of data loss...
[23:06] <torchie> every time you walk across the street you risk losing data
[23:06] <bin_bash> What's the proper lspci syntax to get just my wireless card?
[23:06] <KM0201> lspci | grep Wireless      i think
[23:06] <lcb> wan''
[23:07] <bin_bash> thanks
[23:07] <bin_bash> mk neither worked
[23:07] <lcb> wlan, i meaN, I GUESS
[23:07] <KM0201> bin_bash: try lspci  | grep BCM
[23:07] <KM0201> since you know you have a broadcom
[23:08] <bin_bash> thanks broski
[23:10] <sburwood1> I've a question about Natty Server 64 bit.  I'm trying to check it out on Virtualbox OSE, but, having burnt the image on a DVD, I can't get it to install into Virtualbox.  Am I doing things wrong?
[23:10] <mongy> lspci -v | grep Network?
[23:11] <KM0201> that would probably work also.
[23:11] <KM0201> mongy: whats the -v trigger?
[23:11] <mongy> bad habits
[23:11] <sburwood1> Virtualbox tells me that it isn't bootable
[23:11] <mongy> does nothing extra  :)
[23:11] <KM0201> sburwood1: the chances of you getting natty to run in vbox are about -10%
[23:11] <KM0201> oh.,,.. :)
[23:12] <bin_bash> KM0201: it was lspci | grep Network
[23:12] <KM0201> bin_bash: | grep BCM should have showed it as well.
[23:12] <mongy> natty runs in vbox ok.   there is a pre-release guest additions for download that should support it
[23:12] <bin_bash> nope
[23:12] <sburwood1> KM0201: I got Natty Desktop 64 beta 2 to run in vbox.
[23:12] <bin_bash> cuz it shows like this
[23:12] <bin_bash> 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation Device 4331 (rev 02)
[23:12] <KM0201> sburwood1: then you're lucky... most can't even get it to boot.
[23:13] <KM0201> bin_bash: ah ok.. most of them show like... "BCM4331"
[23:13] <sburwood1> I tried to do a Live CD of Server, but that doesn't accept that.  It automatically wants to install the server
[23:13] <mongy> if the sta driver supports it, use it.
[23:13] <KM0201> it wont
[23:13] <KM0201> she went and got the latest greatest macbook, and like nothing is supported..lol
[23:14] <sburwood1> KM0201: stupid question ... why not?
[23:14] <KM0201> sburwood1: dunno, it just doesn't work.
[23:14] <mongy> hmm
[23:14] <sburwood1> KM0201: I had read that vubi has problems with Natty
[23:15] <sburwood1> wubi, I mean
[23:15] <KM0201> sburwood1: oh, why does vbox not work?.. because natty is a default 3D OS.. which vbox has been known to have issues with
[23:15] <KM0201> sburwood1: i know nothing about wubi... i don't allow it in my house
[23:15] <sburwood1> ok
[23:16] <sburwood1> KM0201: I just would like to try server before letting it take over the computer.
[23:16] <KM0201> sburwood1: i can understand that...
[23:16] <sburwood1> KM0201: for someone who isn't a business, can you see any reason to use Server rather than desktop?
[23:16] <KM0201> personally? no
[23:17] <sburwood1> ok, thx.  I'm going to sleep
[23:17] <sburwood1> bye and thx everyone
[23:17] <KM0201> sburwood1: unless you're wanting to run some sort of home server or something.. but i'd say most home users, probably have no use for server
[23:17] <mzuverink> I am using two monitors. How can I get gnome-panels on the second monitor?
[23:18] <KM0201> mzuverink: are you using gnome, or unity
[23:18] <KM0201> ?
[23:18] <mzuverink> KM0201, gnome
[23:18] <KM0201> right click a panel, new panel, drag panel to wherever you want it on the other display
[23:19] <mzuverink> KM0201, it wont let me drag them
[23:19] <KM0201> mzuverink: hold alt while dragging
[23:20] <mzuverink> KM0201, no dice, still wont let me drag them
[23:20] <KM0201> mzuverink: you're gonna make me log out and go into classic aren't you?
[23:20] <KM0201> lol, brb
[23:21] <delac> mzuverink: are you using Unity desktop?
[23:21] <KM0201> mzuverink: i jsut did it, and it works fine
[23:22] <mzuverink> delac, I just kept adding panels till I got the ones I needed, I am set now
[23:22] <KM0201> hold ALT, left click panel and drag
[23:22] <KM0201> lol, thats another way i guess.
[23:22] <KM0201> man, gnome looks weird
[23:22] <mzuverink> KM0201, I fixed it, sorry to make you login to classic!
[23:22] <KM0201> i haven't logged into this for a week
[23:22] <KM0201> mzuverink: no big deal. :)
[23:23] <KM0201> brb
[23:24] <Omega> I want to clear up one thing because of all the misinformation being spreaded: unity is a shell for GNOME, if you are using unity, you're using GNOME.
[23:25] <KM0201> ..
[23:25] <heuser> hi. i'm trying to install ubuntu using the alternate installer on an encrypted lvm. it seems like the installer on the beta 2 alternate installer cd cannot set the keyboard layout correctly, so my password won't work during the next boot. besides changing the password after the installation, is there a workaround?
[23:31] <izinucs> Omega: very true.. but that brings up an interesting question.. does gnome3 use a shell that goes by a different name?
[23:34] <lcb> bin_bash, did you get that wlan info you want? ' sudo lshw -C network '. another nice one, this is for status mainly, ' nm-tool '. Sorry this might be late, but i had a lot of windows frozen. i need a ' halt ' and ' bed '. nite all.
[23:39] <izinucs> I'm looking at CCMS at the Grid plugin.. to activate controls it says CTRL+ALT+KP<number> .. what's "KP"???
[23:39] <genii-around> keypad
[23:40] <izinucs> genii-around: like the numeric keypad?
[23:40] <genii-around> eg: use a number on the keypad, not top row of main keyboard
[23:40] <genii-around> izinucs: Yes
[23:40] <izinucs> genii-around: then I guess on a laptop you also have to use the Fn key to activate the numbers
[23:40] <genii-around> Yup
[23:40] <Belial`> is anyone else getting a bug where if you have say, empathy or xchat open the launcher won't have an indicator arrow next to it showing it's open? i have empathy and xchat open in workspace two three and i can't switch to it from any other workspace by click its icon on the launcher.
[23:41] <Belial`> but it works fine for firefox and evolution.
[23:41] <izinucs> genii-around: wow.. works nice.. great way to place windows horizontally or vertically evenly spaced.
[23:41] <KM0201> Belial`: hold on... so if xchat is on another workspace, and i click xchat, it won't take me to xchat?.. is that right
[23:42] <Belial`> KM0201, yeah, or empathy.
[23:42] <Belial`> but i do get the message count in the launcher
[23:42] <KM0201> well, i don't use empathy, but i'll try it with pidgin (but FWIW, they both have arrows in my launcher)
[23:42] <Belial`> odd.
[23:42] <KM0201> Belial`: nope.. it worked
[23:43] <lucas-arg> is anyone having problems shutting down ubuntu with nvidia-current drivers?
[23:43] <Belial`> that's weird. i'll have to close them out and try again.
[23:44] <izinucs> lucas-arg: nope.. if you installed recently you have to run daily updates .. I use sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade to catch all the new stuff the dev's are putting out
[23:44] <KM0201> lucas-arg: same here
[23:45] <lucas-arg> but u had problems? i have all my system updated...
[23:45] <izinucs> lucas-arg: no issues here with the nvidia-current..
[23:45] <lucas-arg> weird...
[23:45] <shaun_k> no issues for me either
[23:46] <KM0201> lucas-arg: no.. i've had no problems at all.. actually running a few updates now.
[23:46] <lucas-arg> when i try to reboot or shutdown my laptop stays with baclk screen and cpu goes high...
[23:47] <KM0201> lucas-arg: try sudo shutdown -h now    or sudo restart -h now
[23:47] <Unit193> trigger-rally, gl-117 and gnibbles all crash in Xubuntu 11.04 (2 of them are libclutter), could this be an OpenGL (or something like that) issue? If I should file a bug report, where should it go?
[23:48] <lucas-arg> KM0201: i did and it stood the same
[23:48] <KM0201> lucas-arg: hmm, thats weird
[23:48] <lucas-arg> i know
[23:49] <lucas-arg> it might be somthing that stays running in the background i guess.... but when i use nouveau drivers laptop works ok...
[23:50] <izinucs> lucas-arg: are you using nvidia-current from the standard repos or from a ppa?
[23:51] <lucas-arg> izinucs: in x-swat and ubuntu repos nvidia current is the same version... i tried with both though...
[23:51] <izinucs> lucas-arg: interesting .. typically x-swat is a little ahead
[23:51] <lucas-arg> i know... i dont know whats goin on...
[23:52] <izinucs> lucas-arg: when you try to shutdown can you still ctrl+alt+f2 to get to a tty? if so run dmesg and see what the last lines look like in the output
[23:52] <izinucs> and file a bug
[23:53] <lucas-arg> izinucs: nope
[23:53] <lucas-arg> izinucs: ill give it a shot again and see what happens...
[23:53] <izinucs> lucas-arg: there should be a log then that might tell you something
[23:54] <Belial`> KM0201, i just busted a reboot and it's working fine now.
[23:54] <lucas-arg> izinucs: wait ill reboot and see what happens, i think ive just installed some updates...
[23:54] <izinucs> lucas-arg: k
[23:54] <KM0201> Belial`: strannngeee... but glad its working
[23:56] <Belial`> does anyone know what the gconf like editor tool is called?
[23:56] <Belial`> debconf?
[23:56] <Belial`> something like that.
[23:57] <izinucs> gconf-editor
[23:57] <izinucs> ?maybe
[23:58] <Belial`> it's like gconf editor
[23:58] <Belial`> i just can't remember the name of it. i used it to make the dashboard smaller.
[23:58] <Belial`> so it didn't use the entire screen.
[23:58] <Belial`> that was before i formatted though because i wanted to do a clean install.
[23:59] <izinucs> Belial`: alt+f2 then enter gconf and you'll see your options.. gconf-editor I think is what you're looking for
[23:59] <Belial`> it's definitely not gconf editor. i use that all the time.
[23:59] <Belial`> but i'll keep checking google.